She can be played like one month ago karina tank, but still won't be unbalanced like karina tank bcs at the end karrie need a.speed item, her attack range is short, she needs a lot of times to kill enemies with tank build, unlike karina who can deal high burst dmg + skill reset while being dead ass tanky
@@hephaestus5365 That's fair, she needs ASPD stat to apply her marks faster. I remember when player used to go for Golden staff + -CD reduction tank build on Karrie to abuse her 2nd skill bonus hit passive. Not sure if it still works with her current 2nd skill cooldown 🤔
@@realpeople415 in theory dhs+golden staff with the rest item being deffensive items seems broken only if we're playing at low rank (below mythic). Bcs in my experience sadly, she won't do much and will be outshined by other mms, at current meta i only pick her when enemies has low cc compostion + low ranged hero composition, which is too rare to happen haha. P.S karrie is one of my favourite mm 🐓❤️
@@ramteja1550 dunno man 1.8 sec isn't enough and her main damage source will be only passive. Enemy will melt her faster than she melts enemy "seconds" is overstatement, unless you prove it by something (like uploading gameplay for ex) i would still stand my point
She's one of the best when it comes to tanky enemies with those true damage passive. But it's quite hard to position her a lot and if not careful, you can accidentally used 2nd skill and leap nearer to enemy instead 😂
try aiming it slightly sideways and slanted towards where the opponent is. for me skill 2 isn't mainly for positioning really, its damage for passive activation. second skill Its great for pokes too, hope that helps.
That nerf is pretty good. However, Karrie's passive isn't dependable that much on her ULT. Of course, the speedy lightwheel phase of Karrie doubles her DPS and makes it easier to trigger her passive. But if the player builds attack speed items, with the addition of her 2nd skill not being affected by the CD nerf, Karrie will still dominate with her passive. Just attack speed, Endless Battle, and she can still be the tank meta we used to know.
Nope. Single target heroes are trash specially in MG rank. Unless you can burst enemy with a blink of an eye and kite out, you are good. But none the less. It's gg. Too many good heroes, why gamble?
@@Gian872 That's not what I meant. The definition of meta is "most effective tactics available". If we go back to 2017, all heroes have a chance to show their abilities in international tournaments. As time goes by, more heroes join the game and more heroes get nerfed. This causes imbalance to the game, because there's too many OP heroes and too many useless heroes that don't stand a chance in the meta. So, back to my comment. I said that the meta is *currently* sht. It doesn't matter if you use Vexana and try to make it work, because it won't. Some other examples are Faramis in M3. Or X.Borg that have been used once (See You Soon).
It's hard to carry with karrie on the current meta so a buff is quite a good move but due to long ultimate cd It's still viable but not that effective enough to keep up with the high burst meta.
@@ohlicorice123 well you do have a point but I also did consider the situation when you're behind in gold, losing in lane, winning in lane, team fights, and sometimes it heavily depends on your teammates and enemy composition.
The increased CD is a must on this buff because with the buffed ult and low cd spamming she'll be broken.. Now,talking about MMs..I think Beatrix need to get a nerf..Her DMG is nuts😂 ..she can one shot u with the shotgun if she managed to ambush u in the bush.
I often use Karrie as jungle in mythical glory(depending on lineups) and she still does well. I think the main problem is players, especially new ones, not knowing how to play or build her. Laning with her sucks but she’s still good with a build like in the video in mid to late game. What they should really buff is her atrocious range, maybe her first skill too while they’re at it. Literally no one was complaining about her ult basic attack damage because players should be focusing on her passive damage
Don't forget that Montoon keeps on releasing op heroes that will instantly become metas instead of focusing on forgotten heroes (like Karrie).If they stop releasing new heroes and focus more on forgotten heroes, wouldn't it be fun and fair as you get to pick any heroes rather than picking the same 10 heroes everytime you play.
For me I think Karrie's passive was the problem for her low pick rate. If they remove the damage cap of her passive then she will definitely make a come back.
The reason players don't like playing Karrie is because she feels clunky. The speed of basic attack projectiles , the range , 1 skill is almost never used when ambushing Enemies to burst and the overall sound effect. All and all , sound and appearance makes a huge difference.
Im really happy to what moonton is doing rn as i main karrie, aurora and martis on my smurf account, this is literally a good buff for me as i barely used her ult on battlefield cause i can easily kill just using her basic atk. Dont mind the inclusion of the other two heroes 😂😂
40 seconds is too much for mm's ulti cooldown; around 25-30 seconds is just fine. Unlike other's ulti, karrie's ulti is not intended for crowd control or crowd vision as compared with gatot, helcurt, aldous, franco or zhask.
The only problem with karrie is her second skill don't automatically hit the enemy's hero. You need to lock target first, unlike before, she's easier to use.
Exactly. It's hard to proc your passive in a clash of multiple enemies, you have to keep track of what your 2nd skill is going to hit because unlike karina, her stacks reset with each new enemy hit.
and giving her range while also having a dash that can melt you down with the attack speed and movement speed buff from ult makes her a bit unbalanced probably.
@@ritaroy4654 it(moonton) kind a stupid if that happen, moonton can just give him some buff like they did to other hero, especially when the hero going to have new skin. Well poor little Faramis :/
She's not op even if you know how to use her. Her damage really fails in late game And her attack range is so small. But I don't think she is the worst Marksman. Just use beatrix if you want to use MM
I recommend using Karrie as a marksman on exp lane because she is good even without much items she loses to other marksman tho in 1vs1, her pushing skills is good and she can easily bully fighters as long as she doesn't get stuned to the turret or oneshotted. Recommended build for exp lane Karrie:first item 2mana necklace:phy Def boots: DHS:Golden staff or windtalker:thender belt:Brute force breastplate:endless battle:extra items antique aquirass if enemy has hayabusa or Lancelot.Wind of nature of enemy has marksman.Thr new magic defense item if enemy has fusion or Ammon.Athena shield if you don't want to be bullied by the enemy mage. I also recommend purify her mobility is good already so she doesn't need flicker
I just bought her recently because I saw how strong she was against tanks. Knowing that she will be buffed really excites me pero I think that 40 second cd should be reduced 🥺🙏🏻
Current karrie in original server needs her second skill range increased like before. Also the nerf on her ult, i don't like it. 1. Ult provides movement speed and 2 stacks per basic attack, in essence now she is slower at roaming. If we compare it to natan, natan ult can be spamed ever 6 sec late game and karrie will need almost 12-14 sec compared to 4-6 sec to spam with 40% cd after end of each ult. 2. It forcing us to use atleast 2 attack speed item like golden staff and windtalker/swift boots or this buff is pointless. Therefore loosing one tank item. What i feel why karrie is not worth playing now cause karrie is strong against sustain heros, and lately fighter and supports are taking those roles. So they should buff her survivability instead of damage.
Karrie is the second marksman i played (yk i had to save up the bp), i like her very much shes very nice in late game,early game even mid game too…I recommend her:)) she has a mobility skill that even do damages to the closest target whether your being chased you can still slow them, karrie’s first skill is like a slow damage depender, but her ult is like just increasing the power of the basic attck ( since its her main source ) sadly her range is kinda small :(
@@aayushpuri5312 irithel is pretty annoying too but lesley is better now especially against meta fighters she can burst just like irithel but she has her second skill to protect herself but inspire is must with her.
@@9TF_SAIYAN im using lesley in legend and fking enemies bro but i priorities saber ban while using her maybe im too pro u guys wanna follow me we can reach mythic together
@@Chrono_topher tank build doesn't make them a tank. :P Edith is a tank cuz she has good cc skills. While a Layla and Karrie are useless protectors can be easily passed by
I don't know if I'm the only one that's using this spell, but vengeance is really good for mm's right now. With it's damage reduction, it's so good for escaping on ganks. I've always use this on mm with dash skills. You can also use inspire since now it gives you hp when you attack the enemies
i used karrie a lot a few seasons back when the red buff was first introduced. after that moonton, decided to mess with her blink skill, damage and sustainability, then buffed those OP high mobility assassins so it was a pain in rank when you picked karrie. she can’t carry your solo rank game (where you got noob teammates) anymore even if you are well fed because she lacks enough mobility to reposition herself in teamfights, those few seconds moonton took out of her s2 blink skill cd matters. glad moonton is buffing her again because she deserves it.
I don't know why other players build windtalker over golden staff for Karrie just for movement speed. Karrie relies on her passive to maximize her damage and golden staff is the best item for that. This is my first time in a while to see someone build golden staff on her. I enjoy playing her and I think bloodlust axe is also a good item for her and my emblem that I'm using is fighter emblem with festival of blood talent it can help her sustain more.
Mythic players back then: - Rotation - Bans the correct heroes - Has map awareness - Doesnt go to deep just for a kill - Has logic of the game - Always prioritize helping Mythic players now: - Rotation? What is that? - Ill ban the hell I want - *Map size set to 10%* - Goes so deep to get a kill, then blames the enemy for outnumbering him - Doesnt have logic and doesnt think twice - And lastly, they have their own world. (MAY SARILING BUHAY AMPT)
It is because of her range. It is very hard to go in and out with her skills. She really isn't a lifesteal or durable type mm unlike when we can still use her as a tank. She really needs atleast one to front for her and for solo rank players a tank nor a front roamer is really hard to meet. So for a markman Popol, bea, brody or clint is a better option who can outplay even without help
Range wasn’t an Issue back then when the CD of her second skill was 1 second (with CD items), she can reposition anytime when she wants too and escape easily too. Endless battle and golden staff was already good enough to sweep.
I think the reason she isn't being that pick much is because of her passive being reset if you change target,unlike Karina which doesn't reset if you change targets
When Deciding Between what defence items to buy u should consider what enemies are going for ur nuts if the enemies hunting u down are magic dmg dealers go for magic defense even if there are more physical DMG Dealers in the enemy lineup
1:43 thats how much hp you should have after tower diving while others die from misclaculated damage.. and thats why towerdiving in this game is a bigger risk than league of legends...
that april 10,2020 nerfed was during the funnel meta. iirc, claude and karrie dominated the funnel meta strategy that moonton decides to nerfed these two heroes and then we started seeing roger rise again.
Elgin's build is the best build for her. I'm also going to experiment with a Bloodlust Axe + Oracle (true damage is spell vamp and she'll regain health on passive activation). Oracle would replace Athena in this case, and BLA would replace Golden Staff so we get 40% CDR.
I just recently tried Karrie after buying her Elite skin from the first Recharge, and she is Very Easy to use. And now I'm grinding for High Winrate using karrie
I use karrie everytime when i had my first acc for me karrie didnt need a buff or a nerf its just depends on the player if his good or not on using karrie the marksman need a buff is granger since september 2020 i didnt like using granger anymore his over powered bloodlust build was so unstopable but not anymore
I remember when I first got karrie. The build i used was full hunter's sword(i forgor the name). The item's name is now rogue meteor. I thought it was a gud idea cuz i liked the attackspeed
She is very strong in specific matchups, but can get countered easily by long range and mobile heroes all roles (Pharsa, Layla, Franco, Hanzo and etc). Also she is very skill dependent, cuz u are not Hanabi with 10000k attack range, free cc shield and splash with vamp
She's still good but it's not optional if the enemy is not tanky or hard to kill that's why it's not so picky but i use it as a optional pick if my enemies are hard
I'm still using Bloodlust axe along with Endless battle and Golden staff on her, I could add Thunderbelt on later game which render including aldous useless.
I don't know why many people use demon hunter sword, golden staff with karrie, just make her full CD reduction and tanky, you can even fight Nathan and Beatrix 1v1, I've tried and tested, there are even TH-cam videos online
Karrie ain't tank. She can tank build but doesn't mean she's a tank. A tank must have protective guard skills like cc or area slow effect which Karrie doesn't have.
@@jayanthip.s3686 if Karrie and Karina 'can be used as tank', can they jump in the middle of the clash and apply initiative heavy cc? What I just said they can tank build but they can't tank. Estes can tank build to but that doesn't make Estes considerably a tank
First look at Elgin's build
1. Good sustainability
2. Good defense for both types of dmg
3. And a good name for the build
I didn't even noticed the name before this comment. Lol.
Omicron Build
She's one of the best heroes that can abuse HP-based true damage. If players starts playing her as a tank, I'm afraid she'll end up like Karina.
She can be played like one month ago karina tank, but still won't be unbalanced like karina tank bcs at the end karrie need a.speed item, her attack range is short, she needs a lot of times to kill enemies with tank build, unlike karina who can deal high burst dmg + skill reset while being dead ass tanky
@@hephaestus5365 That's fair, she needs ASPD stat to apply her marks faster. I remember when player used to go for Golden staff + -CD reduction tank build on Karrie to abuse her 2nd skill bonus hit passive. Not sure if it still works with her current 2nd skill cooldown 🤔
@@realpeople415 in theory dhs+golden staff with the rest item being deffensive items seems broken only if we're playing at low rank (below mythic). Bcs in my experience sadly, she won't do much and will be outshined by other mms, at current meta i only pick her when enemies has low cc compostion + low ranged hero composition, which is too rare to happen haha.
P.S karrie is one of my favourite mm 🐓❤️
be afraid if they actually made her passive as short as karina
@@ramteja1550 dunno man 1.8 sec isn't enough and her main damage source will be only passive. Enemy will melt her faster than she melts enemy
"seconds" is overstatement, unless you prove it by something (like uploading gameplay for ex) i would still stand my point
She's one of the best when it comes to tanky enemies with those true damage passive. But it's quite hard to position her a lot and if not careful, you can accidentally used 2nd skill and leap nearer to enemy instead 😂
try aiming it slightly sideways and slanted towards where the opponent is. for me skill 2 isn't mainly for positioning really, its damage for passive activation. second skill Its great for pokes too, hope that helps.
That nerf is pretty good. However, Karrie's passive isn't dependable that much on her ULT. Of course, the speedy lightwheel phase of Karrie doubles her DPS and makes it easier to trigger her passive. But if the player builds attack speed items, with the addition of her 2nd skill not being affected by the CD nerf, Karrie will still dominate with her passive. Just attack speed, Endless Battle, and she can still be the tank meta we used to know.
Nope. Single target heroes are trash specially in MG rank.
Unless you can burst enemy with a blink of an eye and kite out, you are good. But none the less. It's gg. Too many good heroes, why gamble?
@@sdeniadaha6989 That's why the meta is trash. Too much OP heroes.
@@a_very_burnt_steak Everyone can become OP if used properly
@@Gian872 That's not what I meant.
The definition of meta is "most effective tactics available". If we go back to 2017, all heroes have a chance to show their abilities in international tournaments.
As time goes by, more heroes join the game and more heroes get nerfed. This causes imbalance to the game, because there's too many OP heroes and too many useless heroes that don't stand a chance in the meta.
So, back to my comment. I said that the meta is *currently* sht. It doesn't matter if you use Vexana and try to make it work, because it won't. Some other examples are Faramis in M3. Or X.Borg that have been used once (See You Soon).
@@a_very_burnt_steak xborg basically got a revert buff tho meanwhile my pquito got nerfed 5 times
I can't believe she's older than the first ever tank: Layla!
You MEAN mm/tank
@@rostingestano nahh, the first ever tank "LAYLA", he meant what he said
@@gabyyy8570 chooks
Layla's tank that can be used as a mm...meanwhile karrie is an mm that can be built tanky..none can surpass layla
Layla came first then Karrie. So no point whoever says otherwise.
Karrie used to be terrifying as hell to go against back in the day ecspecially when she had full build.
Tank?? Karrie:who??
Thats any marksman. Though if you can kill of marksmen eraly enough, their late game will take even longer
Tank/Marksman in MLBB:
- Edith
- Layla
- Granger
- Popol and Kupa
- Karrie
- Brody
Who do you think are the best tank/marksman?
Edith: I am the real Tank Marksman!
Brody: I was there before you!
Layla: _AMATEURS!_
Karrie: *_FOOLS!_*
The other three lack AOE with CC. Not worth for then to be considered a tank
Popol: **cough** **cough** EHEM
Elgin: why are players ignoring Karrie
Me: because Brody, Natan, Beatrix, Clint exist
agree those mm needs some nerf hammer for other mm to shine
@@400lux7
Or just buff the other mms ffs
It's hard to carry with karrie on the current meta so a buff is quite a good move but due to long ultimate cd It's still viable but not that effective enough to keep up with the high burst meta.
Too OP because of low CD, that's the reason why Karrie sa nerf so hard
@@ohlicorice123 well you do have a point but I also did consider the situation when you're behind in gold, losing in lane, winning in lane, team fights, and sometimes it heavily depends on your teammates and enemy composition.
The increased CD is a must on this buff because with the buffed ult and low cd spamming she'll be broken..
Now,talking about MMs..I think Beatrix need to get a nerf..Her DMG is nuts😂 ..she can one shot u with the shotgun if she managed to ambush u in the bush.
Still 20 sec+ cd is too much.
Beatrix is easily to get bully with Clint and Brody, if you really know what you're doing.
@@Grey_Fit and those 3 heroes are the reason why other marksman picks are considered troll
@@mlacc5020 yeaps! These new mms need to be nerfed
Vale can oneshot every mage and marksman who have athenas shield and 6k hp
So Vale nerf too?
You talk shit here
@Dustiness Lalatina
When we say Tank/Marksman
Its Layla, Karrie and Edith plus granger with megatron skin
No one uses her because she is “the lost star” and now she is found
KarrieNotFound
@@sairuzclyde2140 KarrieWasFound
@@HcazZach KarrieWasBuffed
@@sairuzclyde2140 KarrieGotSkin
@@sairuzclyde2140 KarrieWasNurfed
Alternative Title: _Og tank marksman gets buffed and now shall dominate in the land of dawn_
Alternative title: Least picked Marksman
7:48 The lord is entering our base meanwhile my other ally is halfway across the map.
Betosky:Interesting~
They should bring her old "Attack speed Growth" its so much better
She was a monters
Out of all the mm i was afraid of her the most
I often use Karrie as jungle in mythical glory(depending on lineups) and she still does well.
I think the main problem is players, especially new ones, not knowing how to play or build her.
Laning with her sucks but she’s still good with a build like in the video in mid to late game.
What they should really buff is her atrocious range, maybe her first skill too while they’re at it. Literally no one was complaining about her ult basic attack damage because players should be focusing on her passive damage
Yes you're right , the only thing I want on her is to have bigger range. The other buffs are just unnecessary.
Don't forget that Montoon keeps on releasing op heroes that will instantly become metas instead of focusing on forgotten heroes (like Karrie).If they stop releasing new heroes and focus more on forgotten heroes, wouldn't it be fun and fair as you get to pick any heroes rather than picking the same 10 heroes everytime you play.
@@ambiguouscreature74 but clearly Karrie wasn’t forgotten by Moonton, they just suck at balancing her
For me I think Karrie's passive was the problem for her low pick rate. If they remove the damage cap of her passive then she will definitely make a come back.
Meanwhile Gord's true damage: *It only works when I have a tank*
The reason players don't like playing Karrie is because she feels clunky.
The speed of basic attack projectiles , the range , 1 skill is almost never used when ambushing Enemies to burst and the overall sound effect.
All and all , sound and appearance makes a huge difference.
Im really happy to what moonton is doing rn as i main karrie, aurora and martis on my smurf account, this is literally a good buff for me as i barely used her ult on battlefield cause i can easily kill just using her basic atk. Dont mind the inclusion of the other two heroes 😂😂
40 seconds is too much for mm's ulti cooldown; around 25-30 seconds is just fine. Unlike other's ulti, karrie's ulti is not intended for crowd control or crowd vision as compared with gatot, helcurt, aldous, franco or zhask.
The only problem with karrie is her second skill don't automatically hit the enemy's hero. You need to lock target first, unlike before, she's easier to use.
Exactly. It's hard to proc your passive in a clash of multiple enemies, you have to keep track of what your 2nd skill is going to hit because unlike karina, her stacks reset with each new enemy hit.
Shes quiet powerfull if you use inspire and use it with ult her damage is strong cause of her passive true damage
I do love playing Karrie,the problem is her basic attack range is too short
Edit: And it hard to play her when there's a teamfight
That is why she can attack her nearest target even if that is tank.
maybe because her main reason existing is to kill tanks
@@komfynn fr
shes not hard once u get the hang of it actually
and giving her range while also having a dash that can melt you down with the attack speed and movement speed buff from ult makes her a bit unbalanced probably.
0 : 9
Layla on Dwayne Johnson s face 😂😂😂
Karrie in top 20 lower usage rate marksman: got buff
Meanwhile Faramis which top 1 lower usage rate Mage+hero:"why are we still here? Just to suffer"
I saw somewhere that farmis is going to be deleted from ml it's an official announcement from mlbb in fb
@@ritaroy4654 it(moonton) kind a stupid if that happen, moonton can just give him some buff like they did to other hero, especially when the hero going to have new skin.
Well poor little Faramis :/
I've been playing Karrie for a while like I just played her just now she's still as good as ever if you know how to use her.
She's not op even if you know how to use her. Her damage really fails in late game And her attack range is so small. But I don't think she is the worst Marksman. Just use beatrix if you want to use MM
I use inspire for a bit of lifesteal so she can sustain in close range
@@lol-yz2kd Yep the hype on this isn't real.
@@Holycolander same,i use inspire for her in early game
Karrie not good to fight lategame heroes like Miya moskov because his lifesteal is low and damage output is small
Even though karrie is nerfed or whatever, she's still good in teamfights because of her passive.
Not really, for the meta is useless
I recommend using Karrie as a marksman on exp lane because she is good even without much items she loses to other marksman tho in 1vs1, her pushing skills is good and she can easily bully fighters as long as she doesn't get stuned to the turret or oneshotted.
Recommended build for exp lane Karrie:first item 2mana necklace:phy Def boots: DHS:Golden staff or windtalker:thender belt:Brute force breastplate:endless battle:extra items antique aquirass if enemy has hayabusa or Lancelot.Wind of nature of enemy has marksman.Thr new magic defense item if enemy has fusion or Ammon.Athena shield if you don't want to be bullied by the enemy mage.
I also recommend purify her mobility is good already so she doesn't need flicker
Before, when her s2 prioritize units with her mark. but now, hmm you are on combo but her s2 will fly away on other units gg.
Good to hear your healthy voice again Elgin !
I just bought her recently because I saw how strong she was against tanks. Knowing that she will be buffed really excites me pero I think that 40 second cd should be reduced 🥺🙏🏻
The fact that Karrie is OP with inspire just puts a smile on my face LOL
Finally,Your voice Like happy back^_^
Current karrie in original server needs her second skill range increased like before. Also the nerf on her ult, i don't like it.
1. Ult provides movement speed and 2 stacks per basic attack, in essence now she is slower at roaming. If we compare it to natan, natan ult can be spamed ever 6 sec late game and karrie will need almost 12-14 sec compared to 4-6 sec to spam with 40% cd after end of each ult.
2. It forcing us to use atleast 2 attack speed item like golden staff and windtalker/swift boots or this buff is pointless. Therefore loosing one tank item.
What i feel why karrie is not worth playing now cause karrie is strong against sustain heros, and lately fighter and supports are taking those roles. So they should buff her survivability instead of damage.
Karrie is like Helcurt which was very popular but now rarely can be seen in most games
Karrie is the second marksman i played (yk i had to save up the bp), i like her very much shes very nice in late game,early game even mid game too…I recommend her:)) she has a mobility skill that even do damages to the closest target whether your being chased you can still slow them, karrie’s first skill is like a slow damage depender, but her ult is like just increasing the power of the basic attck ( since its her main source ) sadly her range is kinda small :(
1:22 it's such a pain to see faramis in the bottom of the chart :(
add wind of nature and flicker to her build.With or without a buff,she wil be strong as long as she has enough critical and speed
Critical? Whutt
Critical build is useless for karrie true damage much better
@@cardiblack7107 berserker fury,wind of nature,tank killer,thunder belt,brute force place,blade of despair….my recommed build
She needs berserker cuz she need to have a burst since she has a passive skill
Im a paquito player but im soon gonna rank up with her when this buff comes out
Right now the most annoying mm is lesley that had been buffed recently and is op
No irithel for me like she is now strong early to late .She is damn annoying like kimmy
@@aayushpuri5312 irithel is pretty annoying too but lesley is better now especially against meta fighters she can burst just like irithel but she has her second skill to protect herself but inspire is must with her.
@@aayushpuri5312 she is too squishy bro
@@Randomly_Random99 only in epic.... There is beatrix, natan, Brody and clint..
@@9TF_SAIYAN im using lesley in legend and fking enemies bro but i priorities saber ban while using her maybe im too pro u guys wanna follow me we can reach mythic together
Elgin: The oldest tank marksman is buffed!
Me: _Layla is tank, marksman and she's one of the oldest heroes in ml..._
Elgin: Karrie!
_Oh-_
To be fair, if players built Layla as a Tank when she was first released then she is the first
@@Chrono_topher tank build doesn't make them a tank. :P
Edith is a tank cuz she has good cc skills. While a Layla and Karrie are useless protectors can be easily passed by
@@_.zxc._ why are you correcting a joke WTF 🤣
@@geloanthegreat6613 whether if it's a joke or not, reply would still make sense.
I love how every ml TH-camr has a name for there build
Betosky: DAMAGE.EXE
ELGIN: GG to,Omicron,damage.exe
KARRIE IS MY MM JUNGLER WAY BACK 2018 NOW SHE GOT A BUFF I THINK I USE KARRIE AGAIN AS JUNGLER OR GOLD LANER
They should optimize the passive of Karrie because marks disappear when hitting two enemies.
Moonton should learn from Vale they buff Vale consecutively then he is now the most popular mage from rarely used hero
I don't know if I'm the only one that's using this spell, but vengeance is really good for mm's right now. With it's damage reduction, it's so good for escaping on ganks. I've always use this on mm with dash skills. You can also use inspire since now it gives you hp when you attack the enemies
Ture damage
Gato: I'm gonna build more hp to counter ture damage
i used karrie a lot a few seasons back when the red buff was first introduced. after that moonton, decided to mess with her blink skill, damage and sustainability, then buffed those OP high mobility assassins so it was a pain in rank when you picked karrie. she can’t carry your solo rank game (where you got noob teammates) anymore even if you are well fed because she lacks enough mobility to reposition herself in teamfights, those few seconds moonton took out of her s2 blink skill cd matters. glad moonton is buffing her again because she deserves it.
I don't know why other players build windtalker over golden staff for Karrie just for movement speed. Karrie relies on her passive to maximize her damage and golden staff is the best item for that. This is my first time in a while to see someone build golden staff on her. I enjoy playing her and I think bloodlust axe is also a good item for her and my emblem that I'm using is fighter emblem with festival of blood talent it can help her sustain more.
Hey elgin can you check zilong cuz zilong have new recall animation on the update on the advance server
Elgin: Layla isn't the primal Tank Marksmen
Me: *H E R E S Y !*
Mythic players back then:
- Rotation
- Bans the correct heroes
- Has map awareness
- Doesnt go to deep just for a kill
- Has logic of the game
- Always prioritize helping
Mythic players now:
- Rotation? What is that?
- Ill ban the hell I want
- *Map size set to 10%*
- Goes so deep to get a kill, then blames the enemy for outnumbering him
- Doesnt have logic and doesnt think twice
- And lastly, they have their own world.
(MAY SARILING BUHAY AMPT)
I play here with inspire mode and athena if there's the mage
Combo: ult amd inspire with attacks speed build and it was carzzy strong
It is because of her range. It is very hard to go in and out with her skills. She really isn't a lifesteal or durable type mm unlike when we can still use her as a tank. She really needs atleast one to front for her and for solo rank players a tank nor a front roamer is really hard to meet. So for a markman Popol, bea, brody or clint is a better option who can outplay even without help
Range wasn’t an Issue back then when the CD of her second skill was 1 second (with CD items), she can reposition anytime when she wants too and escape easily too. Endless battle and golden staff was already good enough to sweep.
Eudoraphobia? Not for me though because I'm mainly a Tank user.
I only fear 1 thing...
THE HELCAT!!
Her range and projectile speed:(Skeleton sitting at the bottom of the ocean)
Karrie: *Attack Eudora*
Eudora: "You should have gone for the Anthena" *Combo Wombo Skills*
I think the reason she isn't being that pick much is because of her passive being reset if you change target,unlike Karina which doesn't reset if you change targets
When Deciding Between what defence items to buy u should consider what enemies are going for ur nuts if the enemies hunting u down are magic dmg dealers go for magic defense even if there are more physical DMG Dealers in the enemy lineup
what i love obout karrie is her skill two honestly.. and she is the only marksman i know who can spam a mobility skill
1:43 thats how much hp you should have after tower diving while others die from misclaculated damage..
and thats why towerdiving in this game is a bigger risk than league of legends...
Karrow with inspire is good but i recommend purify or aegis so you can 1v1 a fed marksman like Lesley
that april 10,2020 nerfed was during the funnel meta.
iirc, claude and karrie dominated the funnel meta strategy that moonton decides to nerfed these two heroes and then we started seeing roger rise again.
i didnt see my SAVAGE notification too bro, but after game it was there lol
Elgin's build is the best build for her.
I'm also going to experiment with a Bloodlust Axe + Oracle (true damage is spell vamp and she'll regain health on passive activation). Oracle would replace Athena in this case, and BLA would replace Golden Staff so we get 40% CDR.
Pretty sure you can't exceed 35% CDR unless you have Enchanted Talisman. I honestly don't remember.
@@nova2._. always was 40,with new talisman's passive is 45
My favorite hero 1500 games with her and im still not bored of her ,but she realy needed a buff
I think I'll be able to spam the one Kerrie skin I have hopefully 😎👍
I just recently tried Karrie after buying her Elite skin from the first Recharge, and she is Very Easy to use. And now I'm grinding for High Winrate using karrie
The "pheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew" on gatot's fall was cool ngl
Let's call her this Update Karrie-Karrie
Moonton can buff any hero even let it be just season 1st recharge skin lol.
Hoping for a hanzo buff or ravamp just like hanabi, Hayabusa, kagura
she's my main 1k matches 65% wr
i don't used him for almost 2 years
02:41 What a camper eudora , gave a heart attck🤣🤣🤣😂😂
I use karrie everytime when i had my first acc for me karrie didnt need a buff or a nerf its just depends on the player if his good or not on using karrie the marksman need a buff is granger since september 2020 i didnt like using granger anymore his over powered bloodlust build was so unstopable but not anymore
Karrie was my main hero. But i stop playing as she got nerf so badly. Maybe it's time i should start playing again. Can' wait for the update
The only reason why I don't play this hero because it's hard to position when team fight
I remember when I first got karrie. The build i used was full hunter's sword(i forgor the name). The item's name is now rogue meteor. I thought it was a gud idea cuz i liked the attackspeed
She deserves more, I've played her a few times in this meta but she got destroyed easily by other heroes.
She is very strong in specific matchups, but can get countered easily by long range and mobile heroes all roles (Pharsa, Layla, Franco, Hanzo and etc). Also she is very skill dependent, cuz u are not Hanabi with 10000k attack range, free cc shield and splash with vamp
0:17 is this Tigreal as a Lord?
Layla: But I thought I'm the oldest Marksman/Tank???
get well soon
As a Karrie user my battle spell is inspire with the items corrosion scythe and tank killer because the attack speed is broken
the og ultimate of Karrie was a continues attack best marksman at that time the burst is still good tho
She's still good but it's not optional if the enemy is not tanky or hard to kill that's why it's not so picky but i use it as a optional pick if my enemies are hard
Elgin: why do you think she got buffed?
Me: Maybe Moontons making her a new collector skin.... smh😒
Mlbb's system
Give a hero a new skin
Buff the hero
After a week
Make more nerf on the hero
All talking about karrie n other stuf but ...did any one notice elgin voice ..i think he got cold ... Get well soon elgin..🤒❤ take care
Can we talk about the name of his build : omicron build
They should make her second skill have physical attack scaling cause that would make sense
I don't know but for me she got stronger I guess it was on November when Gill Girl resale.
I don't know about now, it become unpopular again
Don’t forget the rule when there is eudora always buy athena, if not you will regret it.
I can still hear Elgin's sore throat.. get well soon!
I'm still using Bloodlust axe along with Endless battle and Golden staff on her, I could add Thunderbelt on later game which render including aldous useless.
I don't know why many people use demon hunter sword, golden staff with karrie, just make her full CD reduction and tanky, you can even fight Nathan and Beatrix 1v1, I've tried and tested, there are even TH-cam videos online
Other hero players:Noooo my hero just got nerfed montoon bluh bluh
Meanwhile Chou players:
i think the best counter item against eudora is not athena shield, its the radiant armor..
The only thing I noticed is the nerf on Elgin's voice... 😔
I actually knew Karrie was the first Tank/MM , i mean just look at shinmen's UFSG
Karrie ain't tank. She can tank build but doesn't mean she's a tank. A tank must have protective guard skills like cc or area slow effect which Karrie doesn't have.
@@_.zxc._ you also reply that way when someone says tank layla?
@@_.zxc._ dude what I meant was that there was a time when Karrie was using tank even though she wasn't a tank. Just like Tank build Karina
@@jayanthip.s3686 if Karrie and Karina 'can be used as tank', can they jump in the middle of the clash and apply initiative heavy cc?
What I just said they can tank build but they can't tank. Estes can tank build to but that doesn't make Estes considerably a tank
Just ignore the guy. He can't take a joke and can't understand the difference between tank build and tank role by context.
We have Edith and now Karrie. There’s just so many heroes claiming Layla’s throne. Layla is the best tank/marksman in my opinion. 🥺
Layla a marksman? Pathetic.
I hope my Aurora gets a revamp and buff cuz she is even lower than karrie pick rate
Aurora alrd got buffs long time ago