Football violence is almost always a reflection on wider society. Many of these young men, from working class backgrounds, have been stuffed for the past 13 years and have seen their living standards fall, and opportunities slashed. Football violence is just one of a multitude of ways to let out their anger and frustration. Football violence isn’t necessarily the problem- it’s a symptom.
@@khoyrulislam Actually, if you compare how it is now to how it was in the 70s, 80s & 90s- football hooliganism has improved, not stayed the same. But in the context of this report, stating it has gotten worse in the past few years, you can see how social-economic deprivation has exacerbated this issue, it is at the root of the problem
I’ll give you a cause and link. In the 80s Thatcher wrecked working class communities and suddenly there was a rise in football violence culture. In 2023 the Tories have done it again and surprise surprise, working class men are drunk and angry.
@Jamie Agnew The problem isn't who is in power. Many of these kids are probably middle class and well off. It's down to the way these kids are brought up with no moral framework to live by.
@@jamieagnew1608 labour are the reason we suffered through lockdowns. if the "ToRiEs" had their way, the country would have remained operational. You can't blame the boogieman for everything 😂
"This isn't the hooliganism of the 1980's" No, it's the hooliganism of the 1970's that gave way to the 1980's. Economically and socially speaking the UK has regressed back to the early 70's and the cycle is repeating itself.
@@wanderlusterer442 Most of them aren't up for it.Just like hanging tough abusing the Stewards/Police.who quite unreasonably risk their own necks protecting them from the real 'top boys'
Why would anyone trust what the police says about football fans? Always quick to blame alcohol and drugs for any footballs issues and football for alcohol and drugs issues. Stop separating problems in football from problems in society. Football violence in the 70’s and 80’s was treated this way and had tragic consequences. Look at society during that time and look at it now. Look at the parallels and learn your lessons, the outlier isn’t alcohol and cocaine. If they were the causes of violence then there’d be brawls in Parliament every day. And for the love of christ stop taking a sociological analysis of football by the police at face value. They cause as many problems in football as cocaine does.
Brilliant comment, also just think of all the money that gets wasted on our council tax on football policing, this government needs to concentrate on all this.knife crime that is cutting short a lot of innocent peoples lives.Foitball policing is where the tax payers money is been wasted big time
Spot on. I think they also know how many views chucking "cocaine" next to football will net, so they try to draw the parallels between cocaine and football violence without looking at the socio-economic factors that lead to lads getting high and punching on at a game.
Was like that back in the day too. I once saw uncut footage of 80s football violence and it looked more silly than scary. Absolutely laughable. All on the drink and wouldn't do a single thing without the drink and back up
@☆𝔍𝔬𝔥𝔫 ℜ𝔲𝔡𝔡𝔶☭ True, I know not as many cameras but never see much fighting in 80s England either - now if you look at Italy France Balkans etc..there is plenty - and heavier police action there
@@saraprva4172 if you look on TH-cam it's around. It was two relatively "hard" known groups and they were pulling at shirts and swirling around and flailing like people who've clearly never fought before on the terraces. It was beyond pathetic it resembled the fight in that romcom starring Hugh Grant and that bloke who played the nazti king. And I want to hear no nonsense that these people are "working class" either. When most people getting knicked for hooliganism are bankers and construction workers on good pay that's not working class. Not even a little bit. For every 100 hooligans one will be genuinely hard 5 will be relatively game for a scrap (once the drink and the back up kicks in) and the rest are just out and out cowards.
I don't need to look up anything, I think the claim that football hooliganism went away during the acid house years is all a load of anecdotal nonsense, English teams were banned from European competition for 5 years from 1985 to 1990 after Heysel, so there wasn't any opportunity to go and smash up some city centre on the continent in the late 80s anyway, and when Italia 90 came along the English hooligans descended on Italy in their 10s of thousands and went on a rampage, and in 1993 hundreds of England fans were arrested in Rotterdam before the game, then set fire to the stand in the game. If anything the ban on standing in English stadiums following the Hillsborough disaster could have been what led to a reduction in domestic incidents (if there even was any reduction)
Potentially there is some romanticising the days of football violence and there's a younger generation that weren't around for that and want to experience that buzz
Interesting analysis, can't help but feel like 2 years of lockdowns has scarred people of this age, think of all the social interactions that were missed out on at a key stage of their develpment. Everything gets bottled up and then football is a release. What else do they have to look forward to? everything must seem so unattainable financially at their age now so why be concerned about consequences.
I'd probably get a better job or go and study instead of wasting £100 on beers and trains every weekend just to stand there asking someone for a fight, then running off when they come anywhere near...
@@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549 That was through a different social and cultural ideology back then. Sadly its one that most of continental Europe are stuck in.
@@edfash9976that's not an opinion that's fact. A large number of the homeless have no teeth and that's not because they have a poor dental plan at work. You only have to walk down the high streets (what's left of them) and you're walking past someone stinking of the stuff. And if the stuff that basically using your eyes to see isn't good enough for you the police and other organisations that deal with drug abuse release their stats every year! The drug violence related deaths are through the roof as well.
I've been attending football regularly since the 1990/91 season, while I've seen some trouble in the past, mostly away from the grounds and never reported on, I've seen far more trouble in the last couple of years. It was increasing pre-Covid and is even worse now. A lot of it is gobby kids now and they're a real pain. I know a lad who was in the Naughty Forty at Stoke, they kept the fighting away from those who weren't interested, not like these lot. They're less tough these days but more in your face.
Yeah media under pressure to survive. Making any story bigger or just make stories up even. Connecting football and drug usage there you got your clickbait. Come up with some "data" interview a copper and you have your report ready to go
Conclusion : there is no link between drugs and football “violence” . Just lads goading and giving other lads “wanker” hand gestures after having a few beers. Didn’t see a single fight. Looks like police going for “low-hanging fruit” by arresting lads with a small amount of drugs on them.
And they can't blame it on cannabis because that just relaxes and knocks people out,a drug which has even been legalised in Thailand now of all.places,and should be legalised here..
@@i_know_youre_right_but i think these guys would fancy a fight regardless of cocaine consumption just coke makes feel a bit harder. theres not really much you can do you cant really ban these drugs its a fight you cant win putting criminal records on these people just makes it less likely they will turn things around. But you know it keeps coppers looking busy and not accountable for genuine causes that they claim to represent.
@The Truth ok so you're another misinformed idiot talking online as if you know ehat youre talking about. all those drugs have the literal opposite effects of cocaine. Ketamine can be consumed pretty safely theres Absolutely no reason to mix it with blow. Downers are often cut with fent etc, uppers arent, because they wouldn't be uppers. Sure in rare cases its possible, but 99% of dealers rely on repeat business.
@@halfpint90 I know what I'm talking about, its a shame the police havent got a clue tho, doesn't matter about its an upper or downer if its mixed with cocaine, they mix it to make it alot more addictive and to bulk up the price with cheaper more addictive substances.
Grooming gangs are using these tranq drugs for other purposes and the police won't do anything about it, vigilante season in Manchester...also synthetic opioids are alot worse than the real stuff.
The police presence makes them brave. Would be interesting to see what happened if the police and stewards retreated from the corner and left them to it. Many of these are school age.
@@alynwillams4297 Yes but they are the ones that organise a meet away from the ground. I’m talking about the wannabes that get involved in chest beating either side of the police and stewards in the ground. Just lots of people running back and forth.
@@vincerobinson6144that is the case for 90% of them I think. I’ve seen it loads of times. Once a massive group charged at each other and when there were no police they stopped short of each other started all the abuse and hand gestures before moving on! Good that they didn’t fight but it was comical!
Went to watch a rugby game last weekend. It was an away fixture for my team. Afterwards I was sat in a pub talking to the away fans we were both in our different team shirts, I shook their hand and said it was a good game. They made me feel welcome. When I think about it and look back, I can’t remember ANY police presence at rugby games.
@@notmenotme614 because your implication that rugby fans are better than football fans has zero merit. Stop commenting on football issues as a rugby fan. It's obvious the two are entirely different worlds. Doesn't make anyone better. But by all means, if it makes you feel superior👍 crack on
Maybe in 10 years time there will be ultra nationalistic highly trained,organised fearsomely violent hooligan firms. Meet the russians in a historic European city and eviscerate them to settle things. Regain the respect from other countries hooligan organisations that we once had. We could have training days out in Kent kicking the Afghans and Syrians shitless chasing them through the fields, hedges and copxxses of our beautiful countryside. Gradually progressing to tooled up long weekends away having pitched battles with the Albanians, Eastern Europeans and any of the African countries who arrive in organised groups. Making sure not to maim or kill any agricultural workers in any little mishaps. Make Britain Great again. Let’s start with football violence and get back to being Europes best
Tribalism has always sustained the inter rivalry between football bastions..like Manchester/ Liverpool...North / West London..the Midlands...Glasgow....adding drugs to the equation is a natural progression of this ...alcohol has long been the main driving force..so a combination of the two..means an escalation of disorder and unbridled violence😢
A few years back I dated a man who had a care worker , that care worker was proud to be a football hooligan ! He admitted that he didn't go to the games for the football but went for the fights , I truly don't understand that sort of mentality especially because of his job caring for a man who was an amputee !
Job center pushes anyone into those roles. Nobody wants to do it. Most under paid and valued profession. If he had a job he cared about he would not risk it for a bit of a scrap.
Exactly these are normal people. Everyone has a release on the weekend after a long week. Some do extreme sports, others go to the gym, others drive cars erratically. He went for a day out with his mates and a bit of confrontation.
Trouble always coincides with people being fed up of the regime. Everyone's skint and sick of all this so they lash out at football. Same happened last time in the 70s 80s etc when people had no money.
'Football violence has skyrocketed since the end of lockdown'...you mean lockdown, where fans couldn't go to games?! That's a weird thing to measure it against
They should do what they did 25 years ago : identify, imprison and ban the worst offenders to set an example for the others. Making excuses for their behavior is counterproductive. In the end, we all have to live by the standards of the society we live in.
I've been to many football matches in Northern Ireland, England and Scotland and I can honestly say I've never seen so many fans feeling the need to use drugs, openly in front of other fans like its the normal thing to do. I hear a lot about fans fighting before and after the games but it seems its prearranged at a specific location as I never seem to witness it happen (thankfully). But yes I think it's more than just drug use as the "casuals" (I think they like to class themselves as?) Seem to be getting so much younger than I can remember them being back in my day. Sadly I believe its something that won't be going away anytime soon. 😢
Part of the age thing is that for a long time you literally had the ‘Football Factory’. Younger hooligans coming through kind of under the watch of the older ones but as much of it got stamped out back in the early to mid 2000s, there’s a generation gap and only really the youth mobs getting involved so it reduces the average age
Over the last 13 years we have seen the disabled and unemployed stigmatised, wage stagnation, inflation, normalising food banks, high inflation and punitive attitudes towards the unemployed and low waged. This is not the '..new normal...', in fact it is not 'normal', it is an engineered and steepening slippery slope designed to erode our rights including our rights to vote and go on strike for better pay. As many have said this is a symptom of wider issues: the cost of living; stagnant wages; high energy prices; the solution is peaceful action on the picket lines and in peaceful protest for better wages, better conditions and better representation. To refer to the this as the '...new normal...' is to imply people should accept current circumstances. We should not accept this as the '...new normal...', we should oppose it with red lines not white lines.
Football violence and hooliganism is a massive underground culture in Europe, S. America and Asia and has been for decades, it has absolutely nothing to do with drugs or alcohol. Hooligans across europe meet up sober to fight, it is a lifestyle of group identity and rebellion that so many men are drawn to. This video dumbs it down to something completely irrelevant
And i live how you dont show the amount of abuse and unprofessional so called football cops are they have zero accountability the cops are way worse than thse kids fighting
The logic.. “My brother god sick from smoking cigarettes. So I’m going to ban anyone from smoking cigarettes, drag away people selling them and lock them in a dungeon”
i think its because they all like smelling each others farts after pies and nasty burgers. then lose it after one beer. and of course their mums are not there.
BRING BACK THE MAGIC OF WHAT IT WAS IN THE GOOD OLD TIMES WHEN WATCHING A FOOTBALL MATCH WAS A PARTY AND NOT A STAGE TO VENT FRUSTRATIONS AGAINST THE RIVAL.
Yes that would be good, unless you have a time machine handy, those times have gone, when did you see kids killing each other over post codes?times have changed and not for the better,
These lads are gonna be the front line if they organised it right when it eventually goes off with the imports. This behaviour is as old as the game and reflects the mood of the working man in Britain then, now and the Saturday's to come.
It’s alcohol. Alcohol abuse leads to cocaine abuse. Close the pubs and stop the shops around the grounds from selling alcohol and no alcohol in the ground. Of course that’s not going to happen but it’s the solution.
That wont solve anything at all, they’ll just drink elsewhere. All your doing there is punishing pubs & shops by grounds who often rely on match days to survive.
Foot ball violence has actually gone down, before there used to be a lot of organised fights between football fans from different clubs, now it’s just drunken fights started at random between people mainly influenced by alcohol , cocaine doesn’t make people aggressive alcohol does
The key line in this film is the vast majority of us fans, from all clubs, cause no trouble what so ever. Most lads trying it on are kids not going to a match with an adult who can set an example on how to behave. Now for a lot of these lads it’s a case of who can act the biggest knobhead. I do think behaviour at grounds has got steadily worse since police became few and far between on a match day.
violence has always been a part of the game, but you're absolutely right, the authorities have largely managed to keep it out of the stadiums, except some notable F.A Cup finals, but we've come to expect it from Millwall lads. It's not gone away though. it's still there, it's just more organised with the mobile phones of today, but it's stil very much a part of the game.
In the USA there is a concept in the law called "fight by mutual consent". When individuals enter into a fight voluntarily, neither one can claim assault. Since it is glaringly obvious that the soccer match is merely an excuse / venue for those who wish to practice violence, why not funnel this impulse? A venue with no infrastructure to be damaged such as seats or bathrooms. Just a concrete bowl. You sign a waiver to enter, you go in, and you do whatever you want in terms of violence. No medical services, no police intervention. Bring in any weapons you want to. Agree to maim and murder, or to BE maimed and murdered. People factually DO want this, so why not simply let it happen under controlled isolated circumstances? Fight in the street, go to jail. Fight in the arena, no one cares. Same with drugs. In THIS tiny zone, you are allowed to come in and destroy your life. It's your life, you get to waste it. Once in, never allowed to exit. Outside, unconditional death penalty for using or selling drugs. Couldn't work? Bullshit. the communist Chinese contain capitalism in small "zones" effectively. In the middle east under Islam, you steal, you get your hand chopped off. Simple. Result? NO theft crimes in the middle east.
@@noneyabusiness2237 The VAST MAJORITY of people who attend games in the UK do so for the football and don't want to be either put at risk of injury by idiots and also actually want to watch the game. Thankfully in the UK we have The Public Order Act 1986 that covers covers scenarios which might include pub fights, street brawls, neighbourly disputes, arguments between parties where alarm, harassment or distress are said to have been caused and scenarios where direct threats to others are made in public.
It’s really really eye opening how so many of the comments try to empathise with and humanise these men who cause needless violence and terror over something as small as a game. I’m just going to head over to a video of young men who look slightly more “ethnic” doing the exact same thing and I’m sure the comments there will have the same amount of sympathy and understanding for them…….😂😂😂
the forest fan running into billy sharp wasn’t fuelled by anything other than pure alcohol, the bloke didn’t know it was him until he saw himself on the cctv the next day and handed himself in
Dunno like, Welsh Rugby fans don't exactly have a stellar reputation. Which proves that whichever sport is most popular with the masses will inevitably attrac the most trouble given that Rugby is bigger in Wales than football.
Rugby league fans fight and it also happens on a even bigger scale at big horse racing meeting now,fuelled by the same thing,it's just that football gets a lot more attention because it's the country's number 1 sport
I'm an Aston Villa supporter and was recently checked for drugs at a recent away game, and also at the same ground the previous season as well. These are the only two instances that's happened. Is it particular clubs or more general.
No. It’s a symptom. The modern football hooliganism doesn’t have one distinct cause but rather multiple symptoms. For some it might be the overly sanitised world we live in, for others it may be total lack of respect for police and for some it might be the camaraderie. Mix a little of all of those together and you see how this could lead to hooliganism.
Well said. You're the first person here not spouting the by rote cliches and drivel from the sociology books of the 70's -all of which insulted the working class by making them the hooligans because of (insert drippy excuse) As you say, it's muliple reasons/varied perpetrators .
@@infrasleep the reasons for hooliganism have always been the same really, a sort of fight club for some and to others it’s the closest they’ll get to actual battle in a war. The use of cocaine is irrelevant given how prevalent it is in todays society, and while it is taken by these “hooligans” they certainly aren’t alone in taking it, nor is it fuelling the rise in football related violence.
Say the truth """ Fruits of Alcohol. But I guess because of money £££ most media avoid blaming Alcohol. Everyone knows the very few drugs users can't be the cause of this big problem. The whole world saw how peaceful the last world cup in Qatar ended, so safe that even it was praised by many women & children. Because Alcohol & drugs was not allowed.
Unfortunately Britain and Ireland have massive wider cultural issues with alcohol that everyone gets on the defensive about when addressed! I think many people have formed entire friendship groups, relationships and hobbies around alcohol, so do not know who they are, or how to bond/have fun without alcohol so get very threatened by the thought or notion of having less
This is particularly true of the working class, who often feel like the last remnants of the good times is their local pub which is often the lifeblood of the community (and these have been dying too).
We think it's a multitude of things as opposed to one or two, the coke and alcohol will lower inhibitors and make people think they're invincible but also the small punishments and cultural attitude of 'i can get away with it at the football' need changing as well. Banning alcohol at matches and class a drugs could have an impact but remember some people thinking it's just 'lads blowing off steam', which is another attitude that needs breaking down as that is used to excuse a lot of abhorrent behaviour. Not being able to go to games during COVID, again a cheap excuse, if you're a true football fan you aren't going to matches to make trouble, you're going to enjoy the game, those creating trouble are violent morons.
Literally no one believes you can get away with it at the football. You can have a fight anywhere in the UK and most the time it will be NFA. As soon as a fight is linked to football, you’re very likely to be sent to prison.
@@louistudor1086 Main reason was that Qatar is a Muslim nation. Any other reason was second to that. Alcohol is never ever getting banned from sporting events in the UK. Too many teams and leagues are propped up by beer sponsorships.
Ian, completely true, im one of Maggies kids. Its a cycle repeating, youth snubbed by politicians and feeling powerless. Cant buy a house, job uncertainty and ignored because the medis and society only care about race and woke. This is history repeating and why in the early 80s we all got together to vent our anger on other youths at the footy. We should have all got together and smashed the system and the pollicians and media to be fair but it was far more fun to get pissed with youf brothers and go and kick someones head in at the footy. Plus we looked smart doing it
They are too dumb to Legalise it mate, I've given up with those careless pillocks in charge at this point. Getting everybody addicted to Alcohol and Fags but you cant even smoke a joint legally with freedom what a shambles.
Why does no one look on social media. It's all on there. The cuture...clothes, drugs, tifo's. That is where the interactions are game day is just content.
We've always had football violence, it's not cocaine that is fueling it. Plenty people who don't drink or take cocaine go to football for a scrap and plenty people take cocaine and get pissed and never cause any trouble at all! these mainstream media outlets live on a different planet to everyone else and are so far out of touch with the rest of society.
This has never gone away, the thing that’s changed is that it’s not so we organised anymore as the kids don’t seem to care about keeping it underground
56yr old Celtic supporter, It is this self entitled generation who think they can do what they want although the Police seem to more heavy handed with my clubs supporters than most.
Sadly it’s not just at the football, go into any UK town centres on a Friday or Saturday night and have a look at people, huge numbers all fuelled up on coke
It’s our society. What the governments fail to realise is that long jail sentences and fines don’t work. The whole thing needs reforming otherwise it’ll get worse and worse
If it was a higher scoring game it would provide a higher level of satisfaction between scoring goals. Unfortunately, with only a few goals per game on average, the crowd is SO riled up by the time a goal is scored the reaction from both sides is out of control. Stupid sport . Aussie football is much better 😅
Football violence is almost always a reflection on wider society. Many of these young men, from working class backgrounds, have been stuffed for the past 13 years and have seen their living standards fall, and opportunities slashed. Football violence is just one of a multitude of ways to let out their anger and frustration. Football violence isn’t necessarily the problem- it’s a symptom.
Hahaha does that explain why these hooligans have been behaving like this for decades? 😭
@@khoyrulislam Actually, if you compare how it is now to how it was in the 70s, 80s & 90s- football hooliganism has improved, not stayed the same. But in the context of this report, stating it has gotten worse in the past few years, you can see how social-economic deprivation has exacerbated this issue, it is at the root of the problem
We've always said football is a microcosm of society, if people feel they can get away with something they'll generally do it again and again
Yes m8
Excuses excuses, however black kids caught up in drug warfare? You’d be much more critical
I’ll give you a cause and link. In the 80s Thatcher wrecked working class communities and suddenly there was a rise in football violence culture. In 2023 the Tories have done it again and surprise surprise, working class men are drunk and angry.
and still had football violence when labour was in charge, so dont just blame the tories
@@peterramsden3134 ah the classic response to objective irrefutable facts about the tories - "but labour"
@Jamie Agnew The problem isn't who is in power. Many of these kids are probably middle class and well off. It's down to the way these kids are brought up with no moral framework to live by.
All the world's issues are Thatcher's fault . Dear old Maggie is certainly given a lot of implied power by some .
@@jamieagnew1608 labour are the reason we suffered through lockdowns. if the "ToRiEs" had their way, the country would have remained operational. You can't blame the boogieman for everything 😂
This is a reflection of our society........it ain't just football
Totally agree
Everyones on it in the UK. Albanians are smashing it.
@Jack Dobson isn't it expensive?
No it isn't
@@Steve-kl3yl you must live in Lambourne LOL
"This isn't the hooliganism of the 1980's" No, it's the hooliganism of the 1970's that gave way to the 1980's. Economically and socially speaking the UK has regressed back to the early 70's and the cycle is repeating itself.
So where's the fighting?
Absolutely right!!
@@wanderlusterer442 Most of them aren't up for it.Just like hanging tough abusing the Stewards/Police.who quite unreasonably risk their own necks protecting them from the real 'top boys'
Give over
Yawn!!...You were laying the groundwork to blame brexit next😂😂😂
Why would anyone trust what the police says about football fans? Always quick to blame alcohol and drugs for any footballs issues and football for alcohol and drugs issues. Stop separating problems in football from problems in society. Football violence in the 70’s and 80’s was treated this way and had tragic consequences. Look at society during that time and look at it now. Look at the parallels and learn your lessons, the outlier isn’t alcohol and cocaine. If they were the causes of violence then there’d be brawls in Parliament every day. And for the love of christ stop taking a sociological analysis of football by the police at face value. They cause as many problems in football as cocaine does.
Brilliant comment, also just think of all the money that gets wasted on our council tax on football policing, this government needs to concentrate on all this.knife crime that is cutting short a lot of innocent peoples lives.Foitball policing is where the tax payers money is been wasted big time
In parliament ,you are correct.
You right there m8 more traces of sniff in the bogs in house of commons than yah local boozer on a Saturday night😂😂😂
Spot on. I think they also know how many views chucking "cocaine" next to football will net, so they try to draw the parallels between cocaine and football violence without looking at the socio-economic factors that lead to lads getting high and punching on at a game.
it made me chuckle when the copper shoved that kid back and he got all mouthy with him 😂
Instead of fighting each other they should be protecting their country.RISE UP AS A NATION.
From who/what?
Government puppets that lie about everything. Kill your television. They don't want you to know the truth what's really going on
Protecting the country from ? Some people have 😂 wild imaginations or 🍟 on the shoulder
@@kevphillips02 From dafty's like you.When were you born,don't say 02.
@@kevphillips02 wake up bud
Love how these kids are so tough when there’s a line of police between them and the rivals. Just little brats acting up.
thats how a modern creche fight works.
Bro us a kid where were u in 80 ,86,90
Was like that back in the day too. I once saw uncut footage of 80s football violence and it looked more silly than scary. Absolutely laughable. All on the drink and wouldn't do a single thing without the drink and back up
@☆𝔍𝔬𝔥𝔫 ℜ𝔲𝔡𝔡𝔶☭ True, I know not as many cameras but never see much fighting in 80s England either - now if you look at Italy France Balkans etc..there is plenty - and heavier police action there
@@saraprva4172 if you look on TH-cam it's around. It was two relatively "hard" known groups and they were pulling at shirts and swirling around and flailing like people who've clearly never fought before on the terraces. It was beyond pathetic it resembled the fight in that romcom starring Hugh Grant and that bloke who played the nazti king. And I want to hear no nonsense that these people are "working class" either. When most people getting knicked for hooliganism are bankers and construction workers on good pay that's not working class. Not even a little bit. For every 100 hooligans one will be genuinely hard 5 will be relatively game for a scrap (once the drink and the back up kicks in) and the rest are just out and out cowards.
strange, when it was MDMA (ecstasy) that was reported to have almost eliminated hooliganism in the early 90s.
Not strange at all, because they are completely different drugs with completely different affects.
@@ryank3321 look up the word irony in the dictionary it may help you understand English culture/language.
I don't need to look up anything, I think the claim that football hooliganism went away during the acid house years is all a load of anecdotal nonsense, English teams were banned from European competition for 5 years from 1985 to 1990 after Heysel, so there wasn't any opportunity to go and smash up some city centre on the continent in the late 80s anyway, and when Italia 90 came along the English hooligans descended on Italy in their 10s of thousands and went on a rampage, and in 1993 hundreds of England fans were arrested in Rotterdam before the game, then set fire to the stand in the game. If anything the ban on standing in English stadiums following the Hillsborough disaster could have been what led to a reduction in domestic incidents (if there even was any reduction)
They government allowed es on the street to quell the violence in my opinion
@@ryank3321nah it definitely did, i was there..
Crazy what a stone island jacket does
Good comment
They’ve Ruined a good label
I want one
@@michaelames736 Bury New Road, Manchester. Knock offs for £50
@Palestine Adesanya I'm goin there thankyou
Potentially there is some romanticising the days of football violence and there's a younger generation that weren't around for that and want to experience that buzz
It's all a buzz until you're picking your teeth up off the floor
Interesting analysis, can't help but feel like 2 years of lockdowns has scarred people of this age, think of all the social interactions that were missed out on at a key stage of their develpment. Everything gets bottled up and then football is a release. What else do they have to look forward to? everything must seem so unattainable financially at their age now so why be concerned about consequences.
Wait until they get on the meth
It is the lockdowns that caused this. A loss of in person social interaction leads to frustrations, anger and scenes like this.
I'd probably get a better job or go and study instead of wasting £100 on beers and trains every weekend just to stand there asking someone for a fight, then running off when they come anywhere near...
It’s easy to blame on lock down, but that doesn’t explain the football hooliganism of the 1970s and 80s
@@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549 That was through a different social and cultural ideology back then. Sadly its one that most of continental Europe are stuck in.
UK has a drug problem in general
In your opinion. Why? How? When?
@@edfash9976 for decades now
It's gone worse as well over the last 10 years or so..
Its cos if how depressing life is even if you got money
@@edfash9976that's not an opinion that's fact. A large number of the homeless have no teeth and that's not because they have a poor dental plan at work. You only have to walk down the high streets (what's left of them) and you're walking past someone stinking of the stuff.
And if the stuff that basically using your eyes to see isn't good enough for you the police and other organisations that deal with drug abuse release their stats every year! The drug violence related deaths are through the roof as well.
No, no it isn't. As a match going fan, i'm sure it's the lowest levels of football violence that there's been for decades.
I've been attending football regularly since the 1990/91 season, while I've seen some trouble in the past, mostly away from the grounds and never reported on, I've seen far more trouble in the last couple of years. It was increasing pre-Covid and is even worse now. A lot of it is gobby kids now and they're a real pain. I know a lad who was in the Naughty Forty at Stoke, they kept the fighting away from those who weren't interested, not like these lot. They're less tough these days but more in your face.
I 100% agree go back to the late 70s early 80s firms was in there thousands not like it is now !!
@An0n3mu55what club?
Yeah media under pressure to survive. Making any story bigger or just make stories up even.
Connecting football and drug usage there you got your clickbait.
Come up with some "data" interview a copper and you have your report ready to go
“many of these young men appear ready to fight”
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I blame it all on Gary Lineker.
Hahaha 👍
Exactly, you have the inside track💣
Loads of laughs! !!!!!😅
😂😂😂
@Trevor Distance 😂😂😂
It never went away. Happens every week and has done for decades.
Tru Say,Mi Bredda..
Cokes been in footy fights for years on and off the pitch .
Looked like a school trip at the football 😂😂😂😂 absolutely embarrassing giving it the big one behind a line of bill
Any lines they can get their hands on or work with too😅
Conclusion : there is no link between drugs and football “violence” . Just lads goading and giving other lads “wanker” hand gestures after having a few beers. Didn’t see a single fight. Looks like police going for “low-hanging fruit” by arresting lads with a small amount of drugs on them.
And they can't blame it on cannabis because that just relaxes and knocks people out,a drug which has even been legalised in Thailand now of all.places,and should be legalised here..
Oh come on. Anyone with half a brain knows that if cocaine is involved a fight is more likely to break out, same with alcohol.
@@i_know_youre_right_but i think these guys would fancy a fight regardless of cocaine consumption just coke makes feel a bit harder. theres not really much you can do you cant really ban these drugs its a fight you cant win putting criminal records on these people just makes it less likely they will turn things around. But you know it keeps coppers looking busy and not accountable for genuine causes that they claim to represent.
@@i_know_youre_right_but you're wrong
@@TWW-zk9gw explain
The stuff the dealers are mixing the cocaine with is alot worse than cocaine.
Yea teething powder is terrible
@@halfpint90 fentanyl, xylazine, tranqz, ketamine etc, stuff which is alot more addictive and deadly than cocaine but alot cheaper.
@The Truth ok so you're another misinformed idiot talking online as if you know ehat youre talking about. all those drugs have the literal opposite effects of cocaine. Ketamine can be consumed pretty safely theres Absolutely no reason to mix it with blow. Downers are often cut with fent etc, uppers arent, because they wouldn't be uppers. Sure in rare cases its possible, but 99% of dealers rely on repeat business.
@@halfpint90 I know what I'm talking about, its a shame the police havent got a clue tho, doesn't matter about its an upper or downer if its mixed with cocaine, they mix it to make it alot more addictive and to bulk up the price with cheaper more addictive substances.
Grooming gangs are using these tranq drugs for other purposes and the police won't do anything about it, vigilante season in Manchester...also synthetic opioids are alot worse than the real stuff.
The police presence makes them brave. Would be interesting to see what happened if the police and stewards retreated from the corner and left them to it. Many of these are school age.
True thee will be no fight 👍
I feel like it’s a general problem in the whole of the uk
Look up Oldham v Wrexham. There was a 15 minute street battle which continued even when the police turned up
@@alynwillams4297 Yes but they are the ones that organise a meet away from the ground. I’m talking about the wannabes that get involved in chest beating either side of the police and stewards in the ground. Just lots of people running back and forth.
@@vincerobinson6144that is the case for 90% of them I think. I’ve seen it loads of times. Once a massive group charged at each other and when there were no police they stopped short of each other started all the abuse and hand gestures before moving on! Good that they didn’t fight but it was comical!
"Football violence in this country
will never end, as long as they are shitting
in our shoes and we are pissing in their
bovril." Billy Connelly. 😁😁😁
Nothing to do with football just the Scottish culture
@@renegade-master29We all humans
It’s their culture with their drinks they can’t help themselves they are heavy drinkers
@@louistudor1086It’s mainly football culture.
@@nervousheadache plus their drinks
It's happening in Scotland aswell.A lot of violence at games including lower league games
well thats easy , ban the kilt
Accies are massive ft well
Scotland a different country no one cares about Scotland honestly
@@TonyKelly-x3f so why even mention scotland then you ding
A new era of people being arrested for slightly offensive chants
Went to watch a rugby game last weekend. It was an away fixture for my team. Afterwards I was sat in a pub talking to the away fans we were both in our different team shirts, I shook their hand and said it was a good game. They made me feel welcome.
When I think about it and look back, I can’t remember ANY police presence at rugby games.
What's that got to do with football? Theirs always been a class/cultural difference between the fanbase
No one cares
@@John-gx2ry if you don’t care, then why are you replying?
@@notmenotme614 because your implication that rugby fans are better than football fans has zero merit. Stop commenting on football issues as a rugby fan.
It's obvious the two are entirely different worlds. Doesn't make anyone better. But by all means, if it makes you feel superior👍 crack on
To be fair I'm assuming this is rugby union, you do get a bit of violence with rugby league especially between rival teams.
How sad are these men.
@Mike TLG Their not men their immature little boys
Kids
lets hope they dont get hold of you mike
We need this at Dover !!
Maybe in 10 years time there will be ultra nationalistic highly trained,organised fearsomely violent hooligan firms.
Meet the russians in a historic European city and eviscerate them to settle things.
Regain the respect from other countries hooligan organisations that we once had.
We could have training days out in Kent kicking the Afghans and Syrians shitless chasing them through the fields, hedges and copxxses of our beautiful countryside. Gradually progressing to tooled up long weekends away having pitched battles with the Albanians, Eastern Europeans and any of the African countries who arrive in organised groups.
Making sure not to maim or kill any agricultural workers in any little mishaps.
Make Britain Great again.
Let’s start with football violence and get back to being Europes best
Media, Police, Government, Medical Professionals, all have zero idea about drugs or drug use.
Ppl using bloodsoaked cocaine
There's not one football ground I have been to where I haven't seen massive white lines.
Lol mate - he means the pitch - so take a joke - woke Wake up you fools .
Lol
Tribalism has always sustained the inter rivalry between football bastions..like Manchester/ Liverpool...North / West London..the Midlands...Glasgow....adding drugs to the equation is a natural progression of this ...alcohol has long been the main driving force..so a combination of the two..means an escalation of disorder and unbridled violence😢
A few years back I dated a man who had a care worker , that care worker was proud to be a football hooligan ! He admitted that he didn't go to the games for the football but went for the fights , I truly don't understand that sort of mentality especially because of his job caring for a man who was an amputee !
Adrenaline.. to feel really alive.
Job center pushes anyone into those roles. Nobody wants to do it.
Most under paid and valued profession.
If he had a job he cared about he would not risk it for a bit of a scrap.
Exactly these are normal people. Everyone has a release on the weekend after a long week. Some do extreme sports, others go to the gym, others drive cars erratically. He went for a day out with his mates and a bit of confrontation.
Criminals with complexes
@@Captain.Pugwash He can go to climb and not be a criminal coward
Coke has been rife in and around English grounds for OVER 20 years already, it’s not new, it’s just more accessible
Been fueling violence for years always charged up on the bugle
Trouble always coincides with people being fed up of the regime. Everyone's skint and sick of all this so they lash out at football. Same happened last time in the 70s 80s etc when people had no money.
'Football violence has skyrocketed since the end of lockdown'...you mean lockdown, where fans couldn't go to games?! That's a weird thing to measure it against
They should do what they did 25 years ago : identify, imprison and ban the worst offenders to set an example for the others. Making excuses for their behavior is counterproductive. In the end, we all have to live by the standards of the society we live in.
I've been to many football matches in Northern Ireland, England and Scotland and I can honestly say I've never seen so many fans feeling the need to use drugs, openly in front of other fans like its the normal thing to do. I hear a lot about fans fighting before and after the games but it seems its prearranged at a specific location as I never seem to witness it happen (thankfully). But yes I think it's more than just drug use as the "casuals" (I think they like to class themselves as?) Seem to be getting so much younger than I can remember them being back in my day. Sadly I believe its something that won't be going away anytime soon. 😢
Part of the age thing is that for a long time you literally had the ‘Football Factory’. Younger hooligans coming through kind of under the watch of the older ones but as much of it got stamped out back in the early to mid 2000s, there’s a generation gap and only really the youth mobs getting involved so it reduces the average age
Junkies mate
It's been getting worse even before lockdown, especially up in Scotland. Been to games on the East and West coast.
@@FlickeringEmber Whom do you support?
It's the agenda... police involved... government involved... it's not rocket science.
Watching gown men kick a ball doesn’t attract the most intelligent people
Haha I’m quite intelligent.
You mean grown men?
Maybe men in gowns?
What have the Ancient Geeks got to do with it?
Thanks for posting.
I have used drugs but never had the idea of invading a pitch or cause other violence.
Liar 😂 u banned for life
Young lads just having a enjoyable afternoon
Back to the good days
Over the last 13 years we have seen the disabled and unemployed stigmatised, wage stagnation, inflation, normalising food banks, high inflation and punitive attitudes towards the unemployed and low waged.
This is not the '..new normal...', in fact it is not 'normal', it is an engineered and steepening slippery slope designed to erode our rights including our rights to vote and go on strike for better pay.
As many have said this is a symptom of wider issues: the cost of living; stagnant wages; high energy prices; the solution is peaceful action on the picket lines and in peaceful protest for better wages, better conditions and better representation.
To refer to the this as the '...new normal...' is to imply people should accept current circumstances.
We should not accept this as the '...new normal...', we should oppose it with red lines not white lines.
football violence has been around for decades not just the last 13 years
Football violence and hooliganism is a massive underground culture in Europe, S. America and Asia and has been for decades, it has absolutely nothing to do with drugs or alcohol. Hooligans across europe meet up sober to fight, it is a lifestyle of group identity and rebellion that so many men are drawn to. This video dumbs it down to something completely irrelevant
Better to be hooligan than a roadman
And i live how you dont show the amount of abuse and unprofessional so called football cops are they have zero accountability the cops are way worse than thse kids fighting
The logic.. “My brother god sick from smoking cigarettes. So I’m going to ban anyone from smoking cigarettes, drag away people selling them and lock them in a dungeon”
Dont blame the game, dont blame the drink or drugs, blame the scum bags who behave like animals
I think it's honestly so sad and pathetic how (mostly men) get so angry over a football game.
i think its because they all like smelling each others farts after pies and nasty burgers. then lose it after one beer. and of course their mums are not there.
I Blame VAR, Refs, security not the fans as majority are peaceful
BRING BACK THE MAGIC OF WHAT IT WAS IN THE GOOD OLD TIMES WHEN WATCHING A FOOTBALL MATCH WAS A PARTY AND NOT A STAGE TO VENT FRUSTRATIONS AGAINST THE RIVAL.
Yes that would be good, unless you have a time machine handy, those times have gone, when did you see kids killing each other over post codes?times have changed and not for the better,
What i notice is there are more resources being put into monitoring football games than local communities.
As a former coke addict, fighting was the last thing I wanted to do! Talk… ideally with women seemed a way better idea
These lads are gonna be the front line if they organised it right when it eventually goes off with the imports. This behaviour is as old as the game and reflects the mood of the working man in Britain then, now and the Saturday's to come.
It’s alcohol. Alcohol abuse leads to cocaine abuse. Close the pubs and stop the shops around the grounds from selling alcohol and no alcohol in the ground. Of course that’s not going to happen but it’s the solution.
That wont solve anything at all, they’ll just drink elsewhere. All your doing there is punishing pubs & shops by grounds who often rely on match days to survive.
@@CFlfc98 Maybe they could sell tea and coffee instead?
Qatar sorted it 🤔
They could still drink at home
Nothing wrong with a bit of powder... 😂
Give them E instead. If they are caught not on E then give them a banning order.
Yes give them a " e " and a big spliff and send them off to a house / techno club that will change their aggressive outlook and behaviour !!! 👍
@@jonmurray2350it was also the reason for some horrible deaths
@@Red-tm1bs I attended numerous raves in the 90s and cannot remember one person ever dying off taking an E
Any literature to back that up
@@Rebellion1 yeah a quick internet search will do it for you! Not rocket science!
Wow, stadium bans for people supplying class A.
That's pushing the boat out!!
The real side of banter ladishiness that lurks in the English male football thug .
Not banter, anger.
1:00 up to ten years ban? How about banned for life and jail time
Foot ball violence has actually gone down, before there used to be a lot of organised fights between football fans from different clubs, now it’s just drunken fights started at random between people mainly influenced by alcohol , cocaine doesn’t make people aggressive alcohol does
@@mikeoxlong3526 you seem to know a lot about cocaine 😂😂😶🌫️😶🌫️
Blaming it on coke is a complete sham.
The levels of violence are small and the acta themselves are more pathetic today than in yesteryear.
A clip round the ear from the local Bobby is now history .
The key line in this film is the vast majority of us fans, from all clubs, cause no trouble what so ever.
Most lads trying it on are kids not going to a match with an adult who can set an example on how to behave.
Now for a lot of these lads it’s a case of who can act the biggest knobhead.
I do think behaviour at grounds has got steadily worse since police became few and far between on a match day.
Yeah same hardly any police at our ground recently
violence has always been a part of the game, but you're absolutely right, the authorities have largely managed to keep it out of the stadiums, except some notable F.A Cup finals, but we've come to expect it from Millwall lads.
It's not gone away though. it's still there, it's just more organised with the mobile phones of today, but it's stil very much a part of the game.
In the USA there is a concept in the law called "fight by mutual consent". When individuals enter into a fight voluntarily, neither one can claim assault. Since it is glaringly obvious that the soccer match is merely an excuse / venue for those who wish to practice violence, why not funnel this impulse? A venue with no infrastructure to be damaged such as seats or bathrooms. Just a concrete bowl. You sign a waiver to enter, you go in, and you do whatever you want in terms of violence. No medical services, no police intervention. Bring in any weapons you want to. Agree to maim and murder, or to BE maimed and murdered. People factually DO want this, so why not simply let it happen under controlled isolated circumstances? Fight in the street, go to jail. Fight in the arena, no one cares. Same with drugs. In THIS tiny zone, you are allowed to come in and destroy your life. It's your life, you get to waste it. Once in, never allowed to exit. Outside, unconditional death penalty for using or selling drugs. Couldn't work? Bullshit. the communist Chinese contain capitalism in small "zones" effectively. In the middle east under Islam, you steal, you get your hand chopped off. Simple. Result? NO theft crimes in the middle east.
@@noneyabusiness2237 The VAST MAJORITY of people who attend games in the UK do so for the football and don't want to be either put at risk of injury by idiots and also actually want to watch the game.
Thankfully in the UK we have The Public Order Act 1986 that covers covers scenarios which might include pub fights, street brawls, neighbourly disputes, arguments between parties where alarm, harassment or distress are said to have been caused and scenarios where direct threats to others are made in public.
I don't miss those days, I walk free in the grass and under the trees.
It’s really really eye opening how so many of the comments try to empathise with and humanise these men who cause needless violence and terror over something as small as a game. I’m just going to head over to a video of young men who look slightly more “ethnic” doing the exact same thing and I’m sure the comments there will have the same amount of sympathy and understanding for them…….😂😂😂
What I find worrying is many of these many men won't just keep it to the football terraces, but also mete out domestic violence to their wives.
the forest fan running into billy sharp wasn’t fuelled by anything other than pure alcohol, the bloke didn’t know it was him until he saw himself on the cctv the next day and handed himself in
you wont get this with tennis, rugby or cricket fans... i wonder why
Exactly, and people sniff at all these sports. They just don’t have the ridiculous drinking culture that football has
Dunno like, Welsh Rugby fans don't exactly have a stellar reputation. Which proves that whichever sport is most popular with the masses will inevitably attrac the most trouble given that Rugby is bigger in Wales than football.
Rubbish
Rugby league fans fight and it also happens on a even bigger scale at big horse racing meeting now,fuelled by the same thing,it's just that football gets a lot more attention because it's the country's number 1 sport
a lot of wankers
It’s been going on since the 60’s it’s not going to stop anytime soon
Certainly Alcohol is involved at the base .
It's taken you this long to work out what's been going on ?
Didn’t happen in Qatar…wonder why?
Probably because they didn't use slave labour.
No drugs and alcohol. They have zero tolerance for antisocial behaviour in general.
Most football lads couldn't afford to go
No One to fight
I'm an Aston Villa supporter and was recently checked for drugs at a recent away game, and also at the same ground the previous season as well. These are the only two instances that's happened. Is it particular clubs or more general.
No. It’s a symptom.
The modern football hooliganism doesn’t have one distinct cause but rather multiple symptoms.
For some it might be the overly sanitised world we live in, for others it may be total lack of respect for police and for some it might be the camaraderie. Mix a little of all of those together and you see how this could lead to hooliganism.
Well said. You're the first person here not spouting the by rote cliches and drivel from the sociology books of the 70's -all of which insulted the working class by making them the hooligans because of (insert drippy excuse) As you say, it's muliple reasons/varied perpetrators .
@@infrasleep the reasons for hooliganism have always been the same really, a sort of fight club for some and to others it’s the closest they’ll get to actual battle in a war. The use of cocaine is irrelevant given how prevalent it is in todays society, and while it is taken by these “hooligans” they certainly aren’t alone in taking it, nor is it fuelling the rise in football related violence.
Need to get them all back on the E's, things were more chilled in the early nineties.
Say the truth """ Fruits of Alcohol. But I guess because of money £££ most media avoid blaming Alcohol. Everyone knows the very few drugs users can't be the cause of this big problem. The whole world saw how peaceful the last world cup in Qatar ended, so safe that even it was praised by many women & children. Because Alcohol & drugs was not allowed.
Unfortunately Britain and Ireland have massive wider cultural issues with alcohol that everyone gets on the defensive about when addressed! I think many people have formed entire friendship groups, relationships and hobbies around alcohol, so do not know who they are, or how to bond/have fun without alcohol so get very threatened by the thought or notion of having less
This is particularly true of the working class, who often feel like the last remnants of the good times is their local pub which is often the lifeblood of the community (and these have been dying too).
Jesus it's young guys wanting a tear up.Been happening for decades.Nothing new. Tribal, unity,a laugh
We think it's a multitude of things as opposed to one or two, the coke and alcohol will lower inhibitors and make people think they're invincible but also the small punishments and cultural attitude of 'i can get away with it at the football' need changing as well. Banning alcohol at matches and class a drugs could have an impact but remember some people thinking it's just 'lads blowing off steam', which is another attitude that needs breaking down as that is used to excuse a lot of abhorrent behaviour. Not being able to go to games during COVID, again a cheap excuse, if you're a true football fan you aren't going to matches to make trouble, you're going to enjoy the game, those creating trouble are violent morons.
Literally no one believes you can get away with it at the football. You can have a fight anywhere in the UK and most the time it will be NFA. As soon as a fight is linked to football, you’re very likely to be sent to prison.
This is the reason why the World Cup in Qatar alcohol was banned through out the stadiums to prevent violence and crazy people
@@louistudor1086 Main reason was that Qatar is a Muslim nation. Any other reason was second to that. Alcohol is never ever getting banned from sporting events in the UK. Too many teams and leagues are propped up by beer sponsorships.
Cutting edge journalism this.
Ian, completely true, im one of Maggies kids. Its a cycle repeating, youth snubbed by politicians and feeling powerless. Cant buy a house, job uncertainty and ignored because the medis and society only care about race and woke. This is history repeating and why in the early 80s we all got together to vent our anger on other youths at the footy. We should have all got together and smashed the system and the pollicians and media to be fair but it was far more fun to get pissed with youf brothers and go and kick someones head in at the footy. Plus we looked smart doing it
Finally, Indonesia is not alone when it comes to this
The Russians do it properly.
Arrange a time and place, wear certain colours and go at it
99% of these kids pretending to kick off can't punch their way out a wet paper bag. If the police stepped back, nothing would happen
Who knows, we know its fueling the house of commons however.
😅
In the 80's the casuals from Aberdeen came out in good number.Hibs and hearts were also pretty mental
LEGALISE the weed you muppets!
They are too dumb to Legalise it mate, I've given up with those careless pillocks in charge at this point. Getting everybody addicted to Alcohol and Fags but you cant even smoke a joint legally with freedom what a shambles.
Hooliganism is a reflection of society. It will never be like the 80s though. That was loopy.
Why does no one look on social media. It's all on there. The cuture...clothes, drugs, tifo's. That is where the interactions are game day is just content.
We've always had football violence, it's not cocaine that is fueling it. Plenty people who don't drink or take cocaine go to football for a scrap and plenty people take cocaine and get pissed and never cause any trouble at all! these mainstream media outlets live on a different planet to everyone else and are so far out of touch with the rest of society.
Randonly came accross this as a county fan
This has never gone away, the thing that’s changed is that it’s not so we organised anymore as the kids don’t seem to care about keeping it underground
Where did that kid whose dad could do nothing about him get the money from to go to football? Every sympathy, but …..
56yr old Celtic supporter, It is this self entitled generation who think they can do what they want although the Police seem to more heavy handed with my clubs supporters than most.
Talk pish ya all peados
@@chickwood3883 Neely and Dunn
Sadly it’s not just at the football, go into any UK town centres on a Friday or Saturday night and have a look at people, huge numbers all fuelled up on coke
It’s our society. What the governments fail to realise is that long jail sentences and fines don’t work. The whole thing needs reforming otherwise it’ll get worse and worse
Comedy gold. Crewe and Stockport 12 year olds. A total non story.
Absolutely mate; total clickbait garbage from Mainstream Media.
Can't be as they mentioned 2 years of COVID.
Wrexham frontline 🏴
If it was a higher scoring game it would provide a higher level of satisfaction between scoring goals.
Unfortunately, with only a few goals per game on average, the crowd is SO riled up by the time a goal is scored the reaction from both sides is out of control.
Stupid sport . Aussie football is much better 😅
And much more stupid.
Right you are champ…
nah Ice hockey is much much better
Also a sport which is far to bank rolled with money nowadays..
No mention of alcohol, which is absolutely rediculous! Alcohol is a bigger catalyst of violence than any other drug, period!