What nice progress. I love how she’s already starting to look for the correct answer. She almost looks pleased with herself when she gets the right answers. She relaxes more and more as she’s learning that the right answer is figure-out-able! ❤️
Horse is very lucky that her owner found a trainer with solutions. A double blessing is an owner that pays for time to allow patience & a trainer that will press the "bubble", while reads the body signs & can reset if needs to. A balance of finances, time, and skill drills to address the mare's blocking is saving her life. An abused horse driven to biting humans is not often given that second chance.
Really nice job. My sense from the first, when Ryan Rose was doing the assessment, is that this mare is a right-brain introvert that had been manhandled (literally) to the point that her self-defense looks like aggression. She doesn't know yet to trust, but progressive challenges that let her find the answer will lead her to seek connection with the human. Your pacing throughout this session is fantastic.
This is a very interesting horse. She seems very conflicted. She wants to be connected then gets concerned and defensive. I’m really enjoying watching your different techniques and tools and will definitely use them as needed. Looking forward to seeing the continued progress.
Your doing a fine job. My Uncle had a horse auction in Miami In the 60's. We got stuck with a lot of problem horses. I learned from him and several other ole horse traders that drifted thru how to turn them around. We made some fair to good horses out of them and were able to get good homes and enjoyable lives for most. Keep your cool head and learn from all that pass thru your life and you'll go far.
I love your approach and strategy, combined with your superlative attentuation to every detail and how you talk us through your sessions. i'm really looking forward to the next session. thank you Jake!
I see a horse who really has a lot of emotional trauma. She guards herself and has yet to accept that she's no in danger. I'd say she's stove up and just waiting for bad things to happen. She won't ever be a horse for a weekend trail rider. After her training, she needs a lot of continued reinforcement and patience. Ground work is everything! I wonder if she has vision problems in her right eye. Thanks!
What an interesting horse. I don't think I have seen a horse with this level of wild/ferrel behavior along side the training that seems to be there, or acceptance of some things while caught.
My 2 favorite things were 1) that you took the saddle back off from the “off” side and 2) when you took the rope off, she stayed with you. Big progress and can’t wait to watch the next one. ❤️
She definitely don’t like small spaces. I’ve learned to watch their tail when they get upset. Got that one from Ryan. I was always taught to watch their ears. All I knew was from my grandpa, the rest I got on my on. Your doing a good job with her though
That was a fantastic lesson in how to have a quiet calm equine conversation that can bring about understanding and progress. Wonderful to watch and your commentary is invaluable.
Great stuff Jake! Her following you at the end of the session was great to see. So happy this horse has an owner willing to find the right trainer to help her.
Its really great watching these examples of helping train and "fix" horses, using the methods of yours. Is there a good example of training a really willing and cooperative horse, I am thinking the opposite of a problem horse? Do you have any links to good examples of really good and high level training with these methods?
There is a link in the description to our Patreon page. Lots of cold starts on fresh clean slates and more high level things. There’s videos in our pear tree ranching series of dressage lessons and such doing higher level moves.
I’m really new to horse training, so I’m wondering if you could use bright colors for the ropes and possibly the other items you use, so that it’s easier to see what you’re doing with them and where they’re touching the horse when you’re explaining the technique ??? Thank you Jake. 🙏🏼🐎🐎
She needs space to think eh? So what you’re saying is horses get confused and have setbacks and it’s not always a perfectly linear progression of improvement? 🤔 le gasp 😂 Glad she didn’t get your face… 😬 thanks for sharing and nice work Edited for spelling because autocorrect 🙄
Interesting horse. I see so much energy in her ears, head and neck whenever your around. I almost thought she might have gone for you again if things had shifted even a little. I'm so glad she is with you getting the training she needs. In this case is she looking for a leader or is she the leader keeping herself safe?
I’d say she is used to taking care of herself or having untrustworthy leadership that she hasn’t turned loose to. Not saying someone has done a bad job just not enough for her yet to turn loose
Where you get those long sticks? These would help my untouched filly get more comfortable with touch,I can only touch her muzzle with my hand, she will accept my crop stick on her chest and neck but haven't got any further with my hands, I've been doing this at liberty,but plan on getting her in a closed stall,in round pen I can't get close enough with crop stick cause she walks off .
I love your training style. I admire that you tried a different way when the small pen method had been successful, but then failed. My question is, if the new method starts to work well, is it just a matter of sticking with it for it to be successful on a more permanent basis? Is it common for a horse to learn something, you are thinking you are progressing, and then they forget what was learned and you have to keep thinking of new ways to get the message across?
It’s more that the need/pressure for stronger commitment caused the reversion. Once the answer to come get haltered is strong enough and confident we will be able to add some umph to it. The reversion just shows how week of a thing it was, which we knew and needed to hear the horse basically ask for a different setup. She’ll get to where she. I come she’ll swing to me and drop her head to get haltered with that shoulder presentation you are seeing to get rubbed.
Depends why they are biting. Backing cures biting is a saying. That’s if it is a yielding problem. This horse is biting because it feels trapped and defends itself. So more space and confidence build while building in yielding as while gets the balance back.
Can’t a horse just make the decision it doesn’t want to be ridden? Can’t it just be a pet that’s loved. Kinda like humans some like certain things others don’t. I’d train her but let her be
I would LOOK AWAY from the horse when giving release., no? Staring at her tells her something ain't right, you're not satisfied, or you're just not comfortable with what she just did.
WRONG! You’ve watched too many horsemanship videos. Looking at her keeps connection, builds connection and understanding. Turning away is a people teaching technique for learning to turn your energy off to create release. But what do I know I’ve only fixed a gazillion of these things and help everyone from Old ladies to past and future Olympic riders and top trainers.
This is really hard to watch. This mare is barely tolerating this, and IMO the training is going way to fast for her. Not surprised she bit...trainer does not seem to be reading this horse well as he should as he is a professional.
Oh good you can come show us how! Takes pressure off me. The answer to the question you didn’t ask is it’s as fast as possible without crossing the line. It’s what real professionals do to not just spend clients money, over stress the horse and stay steady ahead. Of course we could go slower but that isn’t keeping everything involved in balance. But what do I know, I just have been doing this for a living for a long time….
@@peartreeranch Wow, what a response! I would absolutely LOVE to come show you some things. You will need to pay for my trip there, lodging and of course my time. My statement was made based on watching the mare's body language. She was swishing her tail, placing one back leg in readiness to move out fast, tense in her body and her ears threatening. All really clear signs she was not happy about anything you were doing, including the stroking. The only time I saw her WILLINGLY follow you with ears eager was when you ended the session and she knew she was returning to her baren pen. Then, you walked inside the pen, which apparently you have not been doing lately, and she was once again INSTANTLY on guard, tense and ready for evasive/defensive action. IMO this horse needs lots of time. Lots of the right type of quality time, not demanding anything of this mare. Treats, brushing, hand grazing, positive time with one human handler, including all feeding and stall cleaning, until she begins to trust that person and WILLINGLY approach them without fear or aggression. Only once this is achieved, can she be restarted (as if she was an unstarted horse). JMO.
@@chivasmom2024have you been watching the series? One of the reasons this horse is so defensive is because people going into her space without permission. So why would you want to intrude on her space and make her tolerate you brushing her a giving her cookies? She’s obviously bothered…she’s a troubled horse…kind of the point. Everything takes time but too much time isn’t good either. Why leave them in that state for so long? She doesn’t know what good is yet but she’s figuring it out. Leaving her in this unconfident state by going too slow is torture. Pressure causes change. She needs to change to help her be happy and confident along with safe for people to be around so she can enjoy the undemanding time and quality time of brushing etc People wait so long to help their horses change then everyone gets stuck. No progress. Horses need and crave boundaries and leadership. That is what gives them their safety.
@@stephanie-lettherebelight everyone has their opinion. IMO, this horse has suffered trauma, and needs decompression time. The process I was talking about takes months, if not years. Teaching her ANYTHING while she is in this frame of mind does nothing but reinforce the idea that people just want to work them. IMO, until this mare shows a willingness to be around a person, no training can occur. She is shut off to people and just wants to be left alone. I would put her out in a pasture with the gentlest, friendliest horse around and let that horse help teach her that people are not instruments of torture. Being put in a stall or in a round pen and worked, is stressing her for no good reason. She has already shown herself to be aggressive in a stall, as she is trapped in a small space. Put her outside, let her be a horse for a while and decompress. Only one person needs to be around her at all. No hand grazing or haltering until she willingly comes up to the person on her own. Treats can definitely help this process, as it may be she has never been given treats. She needs kindness. Studies have conclusively shown that horses treated with kindness and affection retain that trust even with other people. She is not ready for even a stroking or petting. She is closed off and barely tolerating him. She looks to be ready to change that at any moment. The number one important thing to me with horses, is to ask yourself, are they WILLING, do they want to be with me? That is not the same thing at all as have they been trained to approach when pressure is released.
What nice progress. I love how she’s already starting to look for the correct answer. She almost looks pleased with herself when she gets the right answers. She relaxes more and more as she’s learning that the right answer is figure-out-able! ❤️
Agreed
Horse is very lucky that her owner found a trainer with solutions. A double blessing is an owner that pays for time to allow patience & a trainer that will press the "bubble", while reads the body signs & can reset if needs to. A balance of finances, time, and skill drills to address the mare's blocking is saving her life. An abused horse driven to biting humans is not often given that second chance.
Yeah it’s such a combination of things that it takes to do this. Thanks for appreciating all the aspects.
You are teaching and showing her that humans are good.
I love how calm and patient you are. You meet her where she is and work with her instead of demanding or “showing her who’s boss”. Imma fan👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Thank you!
Really nice job. My sense from the first, when Ryan Rose was doing the assessment, is that this mare is a right-brain introvert that had been manhandled (literally) to the point that her self-defense looks like aggression. She doesn't know yet to trust, but progressive challenges that let her find the answer will lead her to seek connection with the human. Your pacing throughout this session is fantastic.
Thank you!
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This is a very interesting horse. She seems very conflicted. She wants to be connected then gets concerned and defensive. I’m really enjoying watching your different techniques and tools and will definitely use them as needed. Looking forward to seeing the continued progress.
Thanks! Heck of a project.
Your doing a fine job. My Uncle had a horse auction in Miami In the 60's. We got stuck with a lot of problem horses. I learned from him and several other ole horse traders that drifted thru how to turn them around. We made some fair to good horses out of them and were able to get good homes and enjoyable lives for most. Keep your cool head and learn from all that pass thru your life and you'll go far.
Thanks so much!
You have a special gift! I enjoy watching you train.
Thank you very much!
Lol.. "oh, crap" ... literally 😂
😂
I love your approach and strategy, combined with your superlative attentuation to every detail and how you talk us through your sessions. i'm really looking forward to the next session. thank you Jake!
I appreciate that!
"another day, another A Plus, that's just the way it is." @@peartreeranch
Oh no! Can’t wait to see her give you a kiss❤
It’s coming!
She is a lovely mare. 😊
Wow….the patience….amazing!
Thank you! Cheers!
I see a horse who really has a lot of emotional trauma. She guards herself and has yet to accept that she's no in danger. I'd say she's stove up and just waiting for bad things to happen. She won't ever be a horse for a weekend trail rider. After her training, she needs a lot of continued reinforcement and patience. Ground work is everything! I wonder if she has vision problems in her right eye. Thanks!
Thank you
She loves the work. She enjoys figuring things out and getting the calm feedback.
What an interesting horse. I don't think I have seen a horse with this level of wild/ferrel behavior along side the training that seems to be there, or acceptance of some things while caught.
She does seem to know a lot yet be so wild at the same time. Tells an interesting story.
I love your techniques. Thanks for sharing your progress, she's such a beauty.
Thank you!
My 2 favorite things were 1) that you took the saddle back off from the “off” side and 2) when you took the rope off, she stayed with you. Big progress and can’t wait to watch the next one. ❤️
Thank you
She’s really starting to come around. Great video👍
Thanks buddy, big changes starting to happen.
All I can say is You Da Man!
Thank you Sir ❤❤
Aw shucks… thank you!
She's beautiful, it's been lovely to watch the progress you make with her!
Thanks!
She definitely don’t like small spaces. I’ve learned to watch their tail when they get upset. Got that one from Ryan. I was always taught to watch their ears. All I knew was from my grandpa, the rest I got on my on. Your doing a good job with her though
Thanks
That was a fantastic lesson in how to have a quiet calm equine conversation that can bring about understanding and progress. Wonderful to watch and your commentary is invaluable.
Thanks!
Wow, this is just like my Soxy man! She is going to become a LOYAL, wonderfully complex partner!
I hope so!
Great stuff Jake! Her following you at the end of the session was great to see. So happy this horse has an owner willing to find the right trainer to help her.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Lovely progress. I like how you have slowed everything down for her.
Loving this series.
Glad you’re enjoying!!
Its really great watching these examples of helping train and "fix" horses, using the methods of yours. Is there a good example of training a really willing and cooperative horse, I am thinking the opposite of a problem horse? Do you have any links to good examples of really good and high level training with these methods?
There is a link in the description to our Patreon page. Lots of cold starts on fresh clean slates and more high level things. There’s videos in our pear tree ranching series of dressage lessons and such doing higher level moves.
I’m really new to horse training, so I’m wondering if you could use bright colors for the ropes and possibly the other items you use, so that it’s easier to see what you’re doing with them and where they’re touching the horse when you’re explaining the technique ??? Thank you Jake. 🙏🏼🐎🐎
Good idea!
next one??? I'm interested in this horse
Coming soon! Early in the week we will get a progress update filmed and uploaded.
She needs space to think eh?
So what you’re saying is horses get confused and have setbacks and it’s not always a perfectly linear progression of improvement? 🤔 le gasp 😂
Glad she didn’t get your face… 😬 thanks for sharing and nice work
Edited for spelling because autocorrect 🙄
What a concept! 😂 yeah can’t damage the money maker!
Would love to see the video of Jack that you referenced but I didn't have luck finding it. Really loving your channel!
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Thank you!
nice work, thx :)
Thank you too!
Interesting horse. I see so much energy in her ears, head and neck whenever your around. I almost thought she might have gone for you again if things had shifted even a little. I'm so glad she is with you getting the training she needs. In this case is she looking for a leader or is she the leader keeping herself safe?
I’d say she is used to taking care of herself or having untrustworthy leadership that she hasn’t turned loose to. Not saying someone has done a bad job just not enough for her yet to turn loose
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Where you get those long sticks? These would help my untouched filly get more comfortable with touch,I can only touch her muzzle with my hand, she will accept my crop stick on her chest and neck but haven't got any further with my hands, I've been doing this at liberty,but plan on getting her in a closed stall,in round pen I can't get close enough with crop stick cause she walks off .
Amazon…
cant believe you resorted to clickbait.......
sorry not sorry.😂 I don't think its click bait if I showed the clip in the thumbnail.
I love your training style. I admire that you tried a different way when the small pen method had been successful, but then failed. My question is, if the new method starts to work well, is it just a matter of sticking with it for it to be successful on a more permanent basis? Is it common for a horse to learn something, you are thinking you are progressing, and then they forget what was learned and you have to keep thinking of new ways to get the message across?
It’s more that the need/pressure for stronger commitment caused the reversion. Once the answer to come get haltered is strong enough and confident we will be able to add some umph to it. The reversion just shows how week of a thing it was, which we knew and needed to hear the horse basically ask for a different setup. She’ll get to where she. I come she’ll swing to me and drop her head to get haltered with that shoulder presentation you are seeing to get rubbed.
She must have had some bad experiences in the stall setting as she is so untrusting there.
Any new update un this horse?
Filmed today. Stay tuned
Could you leave a link for the extendable flags you are using? Pretttttyyy please ❤
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@@peartreeranch thank you so much!
What causes that preference for one side being more comfortable for her?
For this horse I’d say it’s lack of quality exposure on the right side. More exposure and experience with the human on the left.
Question?: How do you break biting again? Is it through confidence building?
Depends why they are biting. Backing cures biting is a saying. That’s if it is a yielding problem. This horse is biting because it feels trapped and defends itself. So more space and confidence build while building in yielding as while gets the balance back.
Body language, with body position.
Can’t a horse just make the decision it doesn’t want to be ridden? Can’t it just be a pet that’s loved. Kinda like humans some like certain things others don’t. I’d train her but let her be
Yes but you contradict yourself saying you’d train her but let her be. You either let them be or train them.
Yes but you contradict yourself saying you’d train her but let her be. You either let them be or train them.
@@peartreeranch train her in the sense of not biting and kicking but not ridden.
I would LOOK AWAY from the horse when giving release., no? Staring at her tells her something ain't right, you're not satisfied, or you're just not comfortable with what she just did.
WRONG! You’ve watched too many horsemanship videos. Looking at her keeps connection, builds connection and understanding. Turning away is a people teaching technique for learning to turn your energy off to create release. But what do I know I’ve only fixed a gazillion of these things and help everyone from Old ladies to past and future Olympic riders and top trainers.
I'll keep watching for sure.🙂@@peartreeranch
This is really hard to watch. This mare is barely tolerating this, and IMO the training is going way to fast for her. Not surprised she bit...trainer does not seem to be reading this horse well as he should as he is a professional.
Oh good you can come show us how! Takes pressure off me. The answer to the question you didn’t ask is it’s as fast as possible without crossing the line. It’s what real professionals do to not just spend clients money, over stress the horse and stay steady ahead. Of course we could go slower but that isn’t keeping everything involved in balance. But what do I know, I just have been doing this for a living for a long time….
She has made a lot of progress. I saw her at the beginning
@@peartreeranch Wow, what a response! I would absolutely LOVE to come show you some things. You will need to pay for my trip there, lodging and of course my time. My statement was made based on watching the mare's body language. She was swishing her tail, placing one back leg in readiness to move out fast, tense in her body and her ears threatening. All really clear signs she was not happy about anything you were doing, including the stroking.
The only time I saw her WILLINGLY follow you with ears eager was when you ended the session and she knew she was returning to her baren pen. Then, you walked inside the pen, which apparently you have not been doing lately, and she was once again INSTANTLY on guard, tense and ready for evasive/defensive action.
IMO this horse needs lots of time. Lots of the right type of quality time, not demanding anything of this mare. Treats, brushing, hand grazing, positive time with one human handler, including all feeding and stall cleaning, until she begins to trust that person and WILLINGLY approach them without fear or aggression. Only once this is achieved, can she be restarted (as if she was an unstarted horse). JMO.
@@chivasmom2024have you been watching the series? One of the reasons this horse is so defensive is because people going into her space without permission. So why would you want to intrude on her space and make her tolerate you brushing her a giving her cookies?
She’s obviously bothered…she’s a troubled horse…kind of the point. Everything takes time but too much time isn’t good either. Why leave them in that state for so long? She doesn’t know what good is yet but she’s figuring it out. Leaving her in this unconfident state by going too slow is torture. Pressure causes change. She needs to change to help her be happy and confident along with safe for people to be around so she can enjoy the undemanding time and quality time of brushing etc
People wait so long to help their horses change then everyone gets stuck. No progress. Horses need and crave boundaries and leadership. That is what gives them their safety.
@@stephanie-lettherebelight everyone has their opinion. IMO, this horse has suffered trauma, and needs decompression time. The process I was talking about takes months, if not years. Teaching her ANYTHING while she is in this frame of mind does nothing but reinforce the idea that people just want to work them. IMO, until this mare shows a willingness to be around a person, no training can occur. She is shut off to people and just wants to be left alone. I would put her out in a pasture with the gentlest, friendliest horse around and let that horse help teach her that people are not instruments of torture. Being put in a stall or in a round pen and worked, is stressing her for no good reason. She has already shown herself to be aggressive in a stall, as she is trapped in a small space. Put her outside, let her be a horse for a while and decompress. Only one person needs to be around her at all. No hand grazing or haltering until she willingly comes up to the person on her own. Treats can definitely help this process, as it may be she has never been given treats. She needs kindness. Studies have conclusively shown that horses treated with kindness and affection retain that trust even with other people. She is not ready for even a stroking or petting. She is closed off and barely tolerating him. She looks to be ready to change that at any moment. The number one important thing to me with horses, is to ask yourself, are they WILLING, do they want to be with me? That is not the same thing at all as have they been trained to approach when pressure is released.