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Amazing, even after running 36 different channels, heading a coup-de-tat on michael from V-sauce, wrestling power of youtube from google, recapturing Danny after his basement escape attempt AND making beard oils, Simon is still surprised the romans beheaded people...
I think his "really" comment was in response to using a literal symbol of power to murder folk. Imagine if criminals in the US were beaten to death by a flagpole, flag attached. That's actually maybe not an entirely bad idea... Hmm.
My husband grew up only a few km from Swastika, Ontario. Fun fact: during WW2, the government changed the town's name to Churchill. The residents were pissed, so as soon as the crew who changed the sign had left, they put the old one back up. Also, we almost bought the church on the left side of the photo, which has since been beautifully rehabilitated into a private residence.
I'm still trying to get used to the beardless, scrawny, pink shirt-wearing Simon from years ago. Really not sure its the same guy. Even the voice is different, though there are a number of accents in England, so...
When I first moved to the West I was beaten up pretty badly and then promptly arrested for hate crimes, more specifically, "public display of Nazi iconography", you can probably guess why that is at this point. My good luck charm, a brass amulet that I hang from my belt, featured the Buddhism swastika which, in the West, is seen as the Nazi symbol. The amulet was completely destroyed during my assault and, while I'm sure I won't be wearing it publicly again regardless, that fact saddens me because it was a gift my great-grandmother gave me on her deathbed, a charm that she herself have carried for well over 4 decades...
@@jhdix6731 yeah, that's what i figured. Just an easy way to sling the whole lot across your back. Lets you have free hands for defense against wolves and bears.
@@jhdix6731But i guess the further we go back, the more valuable an axe becomes, so maybe you hide it too. But definitely could be a guild symbol somewhere back in time.
once while in Japan a small group of American college students arrived at the same backpackers/guest house as I was staying at. Only a few hours later they arrived back at the guest house and were quite visibly upset and one "explained" (ie made loud verbal complaints) that Japan was nothing but nazis as they had swastikas EVERYWHERE several of us tried to explain "na they are 'manji' an ancient Hindu/Buddhist religious symbol of good fortune, and you'll find them all over Asia from India to Indonesia, Singapore to Korea, literally everywhere Nazi swastikas are just a corruption of that" nope that sort of "BULSHIT!!" wasn't going to sneak past them as one astutely pointed out in his infinite wisdom and knowledge "We nuked them to stop them being nazis, maybe we should have nuked them some more" then they packed up and left for the airport to try get "The next plane out of this fascist country" total time in Japan ... not even 24 hours
Good riddance. What a bunch of assholes. Just because someone took a symbol of peace and decided to use it for their purpose of creating peace via a horrible path doesn't mean the symbol is inherintly evil. Much like how the christians consider the seiman (seimei star or pentagram as wiccans like to call it) a symbol of satan when it's a representation of the five elements of taoism and their reactions and interactions with each other.
@@kyokoyumi the swastika is also used in germanic runes and is known as a harkencreuse and is symbol of the thunder god thor and has a different meaning than the Eastern symbol swastika.
Some American college students flew 8000km to Japan only to turn around and leave in a couple hours because of a simple misunderstanding ?! That's a pretty expensive snub. Maybe they were looking for an excuse to leave so came up with some lame story.
@@landofthelivingskies3318 I have conversations with people from Guam and it's understandable that a small few still absolutely wouldn't date someone from Japan because they killed many of the Islanders. That being said, I'm pretty upset at the US for the h bomb they dropped around the islands that created horrible radiation resulting in jellyfish babies. Just look it up, it's horrific. Both are horrible history by colonizers onto a small island. And considering the fact that the US brought snakes when taking over the island most recent, I'd say the islanders and descendents have plenty of room to judge Japan and the US. Also, it's a widely known fact that imperial Japan was heavily fascist by the time the war started.
Fun fact. We have basically the same story in Bulgaria, just told by Khan Omurtak with arose to his son's. Said son's then split up on found a kingdom on the Volga river, one went to Italy and nothing and the last one found Bulgaria somewhere close to were it's still is.
There's something a little funny about the fact that "fascist" has the same root word as "faggoto" (the Italian word for a bassoon) as well as the English word "faggot" (which should only be used to refer to a bundle of twigs) I guess there are certain similarities, as they're all rigid, wooden, and highly flammable, and two of them (Fascists and bassoons) sometimes make truly objectionable noises!
The madly various misspellings of “fasces” in the subtitles are just hilarious. “Pomerium” comes out as “Pomeranian” and “Phrygian” as “Pharyngeal”, but there must be at least ten different wrong words that crop up for “fasces”. “Fatties” might be the funniest.
One correction: The stiff right-hand fascist salute is depicted in 18th century paintings but there is no evidence that Rome used it. It’s true origins are obscure and it may even have been invented by artists.
Whether the Romans actually used it or not, when the American Pledge of Allegiance was first introduced in the early 20th century, instead of putting the right hand over the heart as done today, the right hand was to be raised in the "Roman" salute. As the fascist movements of Europe became unpopular in the States, it was changed to the former.
@@frankmueller2781 "Nazi" is short for "Nationalsozialistische", which means "National Socialist" in English. Whine all you want about "fascism", but you can't tell me shit about the Italians, can you? No, your boogeymen are socialists.
@@hlaw2830 Yes, you got *part of it* right, sonny. It's the NSDAP for Nationalsozialistishe Deutsches Arbeits Partei; National Socialist German Workers Party. And while I'm not as on point with Fascist Italy, I am fairly familiar with Musselini's days on the Socialist Party. Like another follower of Marx to the north, Il Duce didn't want socialism everywhere save Italy. Almost like his socialism was nationalistic, huh? Let me guess, you're just peachy about *Soviet* socialism?
Nazis were not Fascists they were National Socialists. They were similar but not the same . Much of media and government refers to Nazis as Fascists to hide the fact that the modern left are just Nazis that dont hate jews blacks or gays. They are socialists which is ironic because the modern left loves Lenin and socialism but Lenin endorsed Mussolini's Fascist government which operated similarly to Nazi Germany who the modern left end up looking like in pursuit of Socialism.
I think the main difference between the two symbols noterity is how prominent the nazi's is. I think that in any nazi depiction I ever saw the symbol was very prominent in back drop, giant flag and arm bands. Also the symbol is "simple" and presented with high contrast black/white and on a eye catching red field. I cannot remember any depiction of the facists where J noticed the symbol. It might have be present with the same frequency but not as visible. Also the fascist symbol is a complex image that need to be seen from near enough to be identified even on a flag of the same size. On an arm band I would probably notice nazi's swastica from 10 meters. Not so sure I can see the fascist symbol from the same distance.
I'm sure that was intentional since that particular dime was minted to commemorate the March of Dimes, began by FDR, to raise money to combat polio. Since polio often caused paralysis, getting rid of the disease then prevents paralysis for many, many people, allowing them to run (represented by Mercury.)
Lareland Cooper Only a victim if you want to be. There is no physical harm being done here and you can choose to take it personally and go on a crusade for your poor hurt identity or have a laugh and move on with your day. Choosing to get butthurt and ban the symbol just gives it more power.
@@ComradeCoy dawg you're the one that went ballistic over someone describe an idea that has been discussed and pondered about since before the year 0. Its true symbols hold meaning due to what people have experienced along with thesymbol. Op never said people should be bigots or stated that peoples suffering is meaningless, and i didnt catch the part where the op said they suppprt the actions of awful shiteating hate-worms. You might want to go for a walk, maybe calla friend and have a nice fun talk. This is a comment section, you can't get anywhere by being such a mean-spirited brat.
@@ComradeCoy There's a difference between forgetting and moving on. There's zero point in banning these symbols other than to protect your hurt feelings. It won't change what had already happened in the past and the best thing we can do at this point is to try not to let history repeat itself. Being offended and "standing up for your people" does exactly jack shit. Get over it. What we as a species should take away from such events is to get educated on the history and make sure that sort of thing doesn't happen again, not to censor them and everything related to them out of butthurt
I find more and more that the authoritarian movements of the 20th century are more similar than we realize, when looking at it from a civilian’s point of view. What does it matter what values they say they have when the fascist and communist both have the same exact impact on the everyday civilian?
"What does it matter what values they say they have when the fascist and communist both have the same exact impact on the everyday civilian?" Did they though? The mismanagement of communism under Stalin, Mao, and others brought about privation and suffering for almost everyone. In contrast, life was fine for the average Italian or German under Mussolini or Hitler; terrible suffering was only inflicted upon the arbitrarily declared enemies of the state. (Obviously this changed when WW2 started, but the nature of war brings widespread suffering on the combatant countries whether they are fascist or not.)
Any justification to grab power; this is why authority is always fleeting. democracies stay around by trying to spread out that power and then also condition us to respect powers fleeting nature. its still not good, but its a better answer than authoritarian versions of nationalism. because power is also responsibility; thats not just a cool idea from a comic hero thats just what it is; if you stack too many responsibilities in too small a spot- it will eventually show why its fleeting/ humans are limited and flawed. imo- this means no one should hold power of others at all. it makes no meaningful difference because evil is a choice not just an outcome. if the nazis grabbed power and then proceeded to be good lil boys and girls instead Id still be against it. cause all itd take is one guy to not choose that to make the structure fracture. its the same in democracies- they just survive its pitfall and acknowledge it. but they still make evil choices the clintons and trumps and bidens and bushes of the world are still flawed morally and encumbered by heavy responsibilities that are actually unmanageable. but due to the fact that they wield power theyre still accountable to them morally. even if the failure is just cause of too many tasks to attend too. its still something they signed up to do. power structures no matter how good the intention of course fail in the exact same way- we really can only slow down its drawbacks for so long.but those two hinder the point of power. any redtape slows down key decision making time, so even a good president will only ever be half as effective as they would actually want to be. like I have no doubt in my mind that some people in power honestly try, its just a literally unrealistic amount of responsibility. even if you spread it around a bit thatll just fracture the unity aspect and you grind to a halt on every big issue; its why police never meaningfully improve. we dump money and try to edit the law- but without some extreme focus and a clear unified ideal that literally everyone agrees too- this issues will never be solved; my answer is you cant solve them; dissolve the state. its like censorship it doesnt do what it sets out to do; and its a perfect vehicle for evil which is hilarious considering its stated goal to enact justice. you know- that subjective concept that even after a life time of study you will never have a one true answer to perfect morality. couple that with how many perspectives and opinions can be on the table- the state is a waste of everyones time. honest or not.
Nobody should forget that they are all symbols in the first place and that people themselves write meanings for them. People with bad or malicious ideas are not stopped by banning an image or symbol ... The world is complicated and I don't even want to think about what people will think of our languages, symbols and gestures in 100 years.
I would also venture to suggest it isn't recognized as it's not particularly recognizable. It's basically a column with convex ribbing and a few straps straps across it. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if an architect or designer just decided to decorate something with it completely independently, not even copying it from anywhere, because the look appealed to them.
Architects don't just throw random shit on their buildings, the builders knew the meaning of the syllables when they put them on the building. To suggest otherwise is insulting their intelligence to a ridiculous degree.
@@dandylionsloth446 While I would agree that an architect for something of national significance would unlikely be unaware of the possible significance (or at least check his or her bases to insure any non-structural aspects of the build won't lead to the loss of commission) of such a conjugation of bulges and crosshatches, I see no reason that a private individual should even recognize that such a pattern is anything more than a decorative touch, let alone assign any meaning to it as the fasces, being a bundle of sticks wrapped around an axe has not physically been used as a symbol of anything (with the possible exception of showing one's profession as a wood cutter) in 1500 years, nor is it particularly recognizable as such when expressed either in two dimensions or embossed upon a wall as more than what it is, i.e. a few lines with crosshatches. Additionally, perhaps the one paying for the thing, entirely ignorant of such a possible interpretation, thought that a few ribs with cross straps looked nice and told the architect to put it there or said architect themselves, having received positive feedback on the application of said design in previous work, did so without comment because it got them well paid.
One reason the fasces is not as recognizable as a hate-symbol as the swastika is that it is more complex to draw. Someone’s not going to stand around for five minutes drawing a fasces on a synagogue wall when they can draw a swastika in twenty seconds.
You can find on many decorative interior furnishings. Often gilded architectural embellishments on shelving, fireplaces banisters etc. In my home the large mirror in my livingroom has them carved with filigree.
@@private2809 One finger is weak, but together they make a fist, which is strong. It's literally the exact same symbolism, who told you that you were smart? Was it your mom? Slap her in the mouth for me when you tell her how wrong she was.
@Jose Martinez DeJesus Search for pictures of the president of Mexico, the Roman salute is still in full effect; hell, if progressives weren't so racist, they'd probably be talking about the fascist nation on our border, and it's oppressive gendered language, lol. What's more, you wanna know why the Swastika was such a universal symbol? Look up some seasonal constellation maps, and take note of the Big Dipper's position relative to the North Star in spring, summer, fall, and winter. You know how you'll see multiple people walking around a wheel on a ship to raise the anchor in pirate movies and stuff? That's what the Swastika represents, except instead of an anchor it's the universe, and instead of sailors they're gods. Further, we don't really use astronavigation anymore, but for most of human history that was the standard, and if you want to identify the North Star, you start by finding the Big Dipper. It's literally the most important symbol in all of human history, while that fist represents the murder of 250,000,000 people last century alone.
Hmmm...I think this was mistitled. "OG Fascist symbol" makes it sound like it was rooted in "modern" Fascism instead of it actually just being adopted many centuries later as a "strength through unity" and government authority symbol by many groups worldwide, almost all of which weren't what we would call "Fascists". That makes it sound sinister from the start, rather than what it actually was. This seems like bait for extreme leftists to latch on to and say "Look! The U.S. government purposely uses Fascist symbols in it's administration!", completely ignoring that for thousands of years it had nothing to do with and predated the modern concept of Fascism. Nor did the U.S. government ever see or use it in that context. I've been a long-time subscriber, and always appreciated your "information, history and facts first, politics are for you to decide" style of presentation, and this is the only one where I feel you have broken away from that for the sake of clikbait.
Doesn't Simon say as much? None of this goes beyond what's already on the Wikipedia page for the Fasces. The entire series of Wiki articles on Fascism is headed by the Fasces, actually.
@@ericmeekey7886 It's listed that way because it's the root of a word, not because the Fasces was always inherently "Fascist" in the late 20th/present century sense. The word Fascism didn't even exist till then (WW2), despite the symbol being nearly 3,000 years old! And only having been used ONCE by a "Fascist" government (Italy under Mussolini.) and hundreds of times by other governments over many centuries. Which Simon gets wrong because he calls the Nazis Fascist as well. The weren't. Their government was "Nazism", which is the German abbreviation for National Socialist. That's what they were, NOT fascists. ONLY Italy, under Mussolini, was Fascist. This is a common, widespread mistake, and is intentionally perpetuated by socialists, who do not want socialism to be associated with Nazi Germany's crimes. Simon seems to have also been an unwitting victim of this sadly common bit of misinformation. That is why I object to the TITLE of the video, whether Simon explains the origins of the Fasces or not. It's click-baity, and on loose examination invites idiots to attack any government that has ever used the Fasces and try to call them Fascists. And I like Simon, this isn't an angry condemnation, just a correction. He does a damn good job most of the time. But in this case, a few things needed correction and criticism because these errors being perpetuated and the misleading video title could reinforce a dangerous, unfortunately common misunderstanding of what Fascism and Nazism actually are, warp the lessons we need to remember from WW2, and associate governments which had nothing to do with these practices, with them.
@@mcchuggernaut9378 That doesn't excuse Italy from allying with the wrong guys, though. And it's not like the Age of Exploration, the Crusades, or the Roman Empire was free of terrible acts officially sanctioned by government either. Western civilization can only have so much of a future through denial of its actual history.
@@ericmeekey7886 When was I "excusing" Fascist Italy? I said nothing of the sort, and that is an outright lie. Western civilization? Denial of it's history? Dude, the Fasces was used by actual Fascists a single time out of hundreds of uses over thousands of years by many governments. There is no history to "deny" there. And the REST of Western civilization said "No, what you are doing is wrong!" and put a stop to it the one time it did get misused by WW2 Italy. I'm sorry, but you seem to be suffering from the common delusion propagated by a certain political group (socialists) that Western civilization is somehow "evil" and is covering up all of it's "crimes", while warping history to obfuscate the "truth". It isn't that Western civilizations haven't committed atrocities, but this is NOT unique to the West, nor is the West somehow "worse" than others. In fact, it has a much better track record than the East when it comes to ethically benefitting the world! History's 2 biggest killers were Asian (Stalin and Mao), and the concept that caused it (socialism) is based in Eastern "collectivism" - the individual matters little and can be justifiably destroyed for the "common good". And that concept drove Hitler's socialism, resulting in the Holocaust. You might as well come out and say it, because your political leaning is showing: You want excuses to damn the West in particular, claim it's economic system, symbols, and values are "immoral" and that this is being somehow intentionally hidden. This couldn't be further from the actual truth, and isolated incidents, especially when compared to the rest of the non-Western world, don't equal proof of that. Meanwhile in parts of the Arab world, people are still being killed for being gay, getting raped, or criticizing the government, which is run by superstitious religious zealots. While in the West we are so concerned with our morality that we are taught to be ashamed for any bad act our ancestors from hundreds of years ago perpetrated, while the rest of the world was just as bad or usually WORSE during those times by comparison! Pretty sure that isn't "denying" our history, it's staring it in the face and accepting it. Which most other civilizations won't do.
@@mcchuggernaut9378 Italy still signed the Tripartite Pact with Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan, among the two worst regimes in history--they need no vindication. Communism is more a threat to the people adopting it than anyone else, which is why all socialist regimes implode given enough time. As a Westerner myself, I make no apologies for the faults of my culture. Would it be better without Christianity? Undoubtedly yes--heaven is as much a poison to the mind of living people as the socialist utopia is, IMO. But I have to acknowledge that among other things for why it has excluded Jews and other minorities who've contributed to the West in spite of that.
@ 0:53 "And of course it is all delivered to where ever you want it to go" this isn't true. Try sending it to where I live, Utah. Big red nope from them. Because Utah is a theocratic state.
The swastika is still constantly used in Asian countries, they didn't let it get tainted by the Nazis, the west however has that association because they weren't exposed to the swastika as much beforehand.
The fasces in ancient Rome and the world of the 18th Century did not mean what it does today; It stems from the symbol for unified singular power drawn from the weaker reeds. In other words , the strength of the many bound together for mutual power and protection , literally "e pluribus unum" ( from many , one ) writ large . The purpose of all government is as a cooperative monopoly on force for mutual benefit .This is what the founders had in mind .
Then arrows. A bundle of arrows. Or teddybears. A bunch of bees. Not the swastika of a fascist party. "No you see this cross is a symbol of divinity...it just happens to be the exact same symbol as the nazi party's"
I think the biggest take-home of nationalist and hate groups adopting 'more obscure' iconography is that banning their symbols literally does nothing but make them temporarily invisible. It's not at all addressing the underlying problem. Frankly, I think we should let the hateful folks label themselves with the most recognizable symbols; it makes it easier to find them _and actually deal with them._
@@anonymousperson8487 Yes, but you are replying to someone who associates nationalism as being on the same level as a hate group, so I don't think they'll be capable of understanding that distinction...
@@anonymousperson8487 Well racism was pretty normal across the world back then, and anti-Semitism was too across the Christian and Muslim world, but there's nothing inherently racist in Fascist socialist ideology like there is in Nazism, and of course if you look into the history of what went off in Italy during WW2, it's pretty clear that the token gestures towards anti-Semitic laws were a strategic play to get more support from the Nazis, and were rarely applied in practice until the Germans took over - As far as a Fascist is concerned, your citizenship is really just contingent on your complete subservience to The State, not membership of The Race.
@@WraithOfMan Sounds like you enjoy your history as well, one of my favorites on TH-cam is TIK History. If you haven't seen his videos yet? I highly recommend looking into them
I have learned so much from the comments section for this video. I had no idea that the Nazis were actually socialists because it was right there in their name. Thanks for showing me that, guys! I just have a couple of questions: Are Fruit Loops actually fruit? I mean, it’s right there in the name. Should I feed my Ford Mustang hay? I mean, after all it’s a horse, it says so right in the name. I used to think that Dog’s Bollocks was a cool British beer with a silly name, but now I’m worried about what I was drinking because, well... I’m worried that I accidentally bought a male coconut. I wanted fresh coconut milk, but the one I bought doesn’t have teats... If I cook bacon in a fry pan, do I have to call it fryon? Now that I think about it, can I even call it a fry pan if I don’t use it for fries? Why do the Belgians lie so much? French fries are French, it’s right there in the name. I tuned in to Fox News the other night, and they didn’t mention a single fox. What gives? Happily awaiting further elucidation...
Which political movements considered right and left seem to have been confused at some point. A solid definition of what is and is not considered each side is in order. How much can vary by political jurisdiction, how various topics may be pushed out of a camp, ect.
Exactly, I still wonder how Fascism got attached to the Nazis when the Nazis proclaimed themselves to be Nationalist Socialists....I mean it's literally in the word Nazi which in English is Nationalist Socialist German Workers Party....the only Fascists in WWE were the Italian Fascists under Mussolini, Japan was imperialist.....is it because they formed an alliance as the Axis powers that the mixing and confusion became a thing?
Holy moly! I’m a member of the Knights of Columbus. This is awesome that we were mentioned as an example.😁. Maybe not exactly awesome given the text of the vid.
Had never heard if them, but essentially a similar group as the freemasons, but Catholic? Also a tad bit more politically outspoken, according to the Wikipedia page at least. No judgement, but may I ask why you joined?
Not like the freemasons at all. It's an organization designed to support the families of Catholic men should anything happen to the man and he dies or otherwise cannot support the family. It has since grown to be an enormous charitable and service organization that supports Catholic issues and teachings. A church with an active Knights council is usually close knit and involved in their community.
I mean the swastika is used as liberally as ever in the East. It's an eastern symbol. The fasces is a western symbol and still used throughout the west. Not everyone still has such a stick up their ass about WWII lol.
@@phredphlintstone6455 no there's a clockwise swastika and a counterclockwise swastika and they mean different things. From my layman's understanding the one the Nazis used, the counter-clockwise one, denotes what's called Kali Yuga; which is an age of strife in the Hindu calendar.
Super interesting, as an Italian I knew almost all of this but not the pervasiveness of the symbol in American buildings. But Simon, you absolutely butchered every single Italian and Latin pronunciation/name 😂 I imagine you do have a way of check for pronunciation given your team, but in case you don't and you want to double check for following episodes with Italian and Latin words, HMU! I'd be glad to help
He absolutely butchers everything that's not in English in every video on every one of his channels. As a linguist I'd offer to help for free, but it really seems as if he doesn't care whatsoever.
@@Finn_Lawless No one cares. Most pronunciations are dependent on having the original accent and or require esoteric knowledge of the language in question. I can't tell you the number of times I've heard italians saying "G-nome" or "K-nite(knight)", and don't get me started on the butchering that Germans perform on most languages besides their own.
Thanks Simon. As an American going through our screwed up educational system from the 80's and 90's ( oh boy it's worse now) I was never taught this, yet I had always wondered why American architecture and government iconography shared the same symbol with WWII Italy and ancient Rome. Much appreciated 👍👍🇺🇸
@UCmT0t98Ty-aZAi7Tn4gvjNA I think apprenticeship is better than one size fits all intelligence metrics. It's one of the flaws of the enlightenment, thinking that everyone who breathes has the potential to be a doctor. And we have pursued this path to the logical conclusion. When everyone is special, no one is. Now we have Nietzsche style culture and dying youths.
yeah but no this symbol has been the roman rebulic senates symbol for law not facism politic and it would be logic law enforcement would use it as such symbol for thier branch..his wrong
@@captainhakob814 I research a lot of things. They're usually pretty accurate but I have found errors on Casual Criminalist but that's pretty common throughout the true crime genre.
@@captainhakob814 Yep. I don't engage with people who respond negatively or respond in a way that indicates they're not using critical thinking skills. I have much better things to do.
I never noticed before now how much a young Mussolini looks like Fredo Corleone. I can imagine Benito saying, "It ain't the way I wanted it! I can handle things! I'm smart! Not like everybody says...like dumb...I'm smart and I want respect!"
omg, i never noticed all the depiction of fasceses (i hope i spelled that right lol ^^) embedded in the worlds' cultures... i think i cannot unsee it now though :D the lincoln monument armrests are my favourite i think.... so sneaky ^^
Holy shit that is sneaky! Unless the light's right or you look really close, it's hard to see the straps across them! Just looks like normal columns from a distance or at a glance.
Maybe I misunderstood the video, but they aren't sneaky, are they? They simoly used the meaning from before WWII. As a Dutchman, I have no clue when the Lincoln memorial was build, but if it was before Musolini changed the meaning of the symbol, I'd argue it was pride over sneakiness to include them.
@@insanityrabbit2406 Lincoln memorial was built between 1914 and 1922 when it was finished and dedicated. So yes, before the Fascist approbation of the symbol. In fact almost all depiction of the symbol are pre fascism. Like the Swastika the Fasces is OLD, far, far older than the organisations that essentially ruined them at least in the minds of Western Europeans. Hell the Swastika is one of the oldest known symbols in human history and has been seen in multiple cultures over the last several thousand years!!!
I admit I find it weird that the internet in almost every country has banned showing the swastica but is okay with the Roman version of a fascist dictatorship type government.😅🤨🤔🧐
9:55 I keep hearing opposing points on this. I generally associate right-wing with capitalism, autonomy, individualism, and conservatism. The Italian fascist party was powerfully socialist... The integrated most heavy industry into the government (seized the means of production, as it were) enrolled everyone in the same trade union. Implemented "single-payer healthcare" and these are all things that I associate with left-wing ideology. Or left-wing authoritarianism.
That's because you are not being told the truth about fascism. Instead, all that one hears is described in terms of "left wing" and "right wing" and economics (all of which you mentioned in your post, and is the source of your confusion). Someone is not telling you the truth. Pats of it, maybe...but how to discern what is true and what is not? You have to learn _on your own_ what Fascism really is...and since you already know that some of your sources (if not all of them) are false/misleading, don't go back to those sources.
@@Name-ps9fx Benito was an extremely impatient socialist who saw the tremendous power of nationalism and used it and pushed the with our state or against it idea to gain power and achieve those wonderful socialist goals of unity of thought and subordination of the individual to the state
@@larrydykes7643 Irrelevant. To understand a concept, you cannot use a specific example. For instance, if I asked, "What is a sedan?" if you answered "An Edsel is a sedan", you are providing a specific example, which does not help others understand what a sedan _is_ . A correct response would be "A 4 door automobile intended to transport people in relative comfort." This definition covers _not only_ the bad examples (i.e., the Edsel) but also includes the good examples. You also mention nationalism as if it's a bad thing. In fact, nationalism is usually one of the core elements of fascism. When nationalism is not included, then _by definition_ one has INTERNATIONALISM. Internationalist governments ("Communist" gov'ts) are _also_ fascist. They have to be, because like all strong governments they have to control what is the "cord" that binds the people, industry, education, banking, and the military etc to the government.
You're all wrong. Fascists are the people who disagree with me. At least I will denounce them as such. Then I will dye my hair pink, wear all black and burn down your city in the name of social justice.
@@Name-ps9fx An Edsel is a medium-sized, four-door car designed to be an economic mode of transport for a family, thus making it a sedan. Giving an example and describing its defining characteristic traits is *exactly* how you help other people understand what something is, because it provides their brains a frame of reference to work from, which is exactly what Larry did. Also, he only gave a bad example of fascism because there are only bad examples of fascism. Regarding nationalism, he did not imply it was bad, he said it was powerful. Which it is. Nationalism promotes tribalistic instincts on the scale of an entire country, which is ideal for its leadership regardless of their intentions. It got the US into two totally unnecessary 20-year wars in the Middle East with no benefits, for example. It also helped rebuild Russia and China from the ashes of their predecessors. Regarding internationalism/globalism, these "governments" are usually the products of international corporations who are not beholden to the governments of the countries they were born in. They are the result of capitalism being taken to extremes. Whereas a communist society will starve its own people to death in short order, a capitalist one will starve everyone else's first. And no government *has* to be fascist. They *choose* to be because they want that power over people. But their getting it is usually the death of a country because a government is as surefire a way to gather a large number of incompetent, arrogant people in one place as a prison, except it gives them power instead of containing them.
This reminds of an ancient tail of a wise father. One day he call his seven sons and handed one of them a bundle of arrows, and told him to break it in half. He tried and tried with all his might but it didn’t break. His father told him to give it to his brothers, but no luck all the way to the strongest. Then the father took it and one by one broke everyone with ease. And said, if you are united even the strongest forces will not harm you. If not, even a breeze will snap you like a twig.
9:20 Let's not just gloss over the fact that Mussolini was a journalist before he became one of the world's worst dictators. This is another reason to do independent research on any story or topic heard from a journalist.
Think the fasces was an hundred of year old symbol by 1940 while the swastika was pretty new in the west. Remember seeing an old photo of a young lady in an long white dress decorated with swastikas, style was pre WW 1, but still weird. Also comparing Italia and Germany, well who was the dangerous side who massacred millions?
The Swastica has been around literally for millennia all over India, Asia, and Europe. You can find it is artwork and artisan works if you look closely. The Nazis hijacked this old sun etc. symbol, which is a great crime.
Both Finland and Latvia had swastika as a roundel of their air forces right after gaining independence after WWI, but after WWII it was no longer possible to use that, so the design had to be changed. Also most Latvian military awards and symbols of the interbellum period had a swastika on them (like medals, officers swords etc), but now swastika is mostly used only in traditional folk ornaments.
When the axe comes down, the bundle supporting it is bloodied. Meaning, even if all you do is support wrongdoing, imo you're guilty, maybe even as much so as the one doing the act. Ignorance is frustratingly overabundant thesedays, nobody has any idea what they're voting for anymore.
Here in Montreal The Casa d'Italia build in 1936 is ornate with fasces for obvious reason and you can admire in a nearby church a fresco made to commemorate the Latheran Treaty of 1929 who feature many Saints and important italian figures of the time including Mussolini on a horse.
This subject takes a bit of time to explain, and most don't want to understand. Fascism is, at its core, a collectivist ideology with close proximity to Marxism. This is in contradiction to what most people are taught, but it is right there in Mussolini's history, getting his start as part of labor revolts and working class strikes/action. All European societies after 1900 are Marxist through and through. Do not let them fool you. The difference between the left and right wing in Europe centers around the notion of the state. With right wing denoting ideas which support the existence of nations and states and the left wing denoting those who believe in the dissolution of states or a sort of global manifest destiny of communism - that the revolution is global and the future is global communism. But communists of both varieties are always presented with a problem - and that is that the current state of affairs exists and there is no clear or obvious path to "real socialism" or "real communism." In Russia, a class based war was initiated between the owners of property and the workers to wipe out the current authority. Objectively, it failed to create anything new and wasn't much better than the French revolution decades prior. Further, moving into World War 1, rather than nations moving to unify after their revolutions, they continued to act along tribal lines. This generally led observers like Mussolini and Hitler to conclude that destroying the state was the incorrect method and that the authority of the state should be assumed and used to shift society toward "real socialism." After all, Marx was rather vague on how communism was supposed to work, and the reality is that there can be no other entity to speak for the collective interest than the state. Whereas Hitler used racial tensions and divides to secure authority in society, Mussolini couldn't do that in Italy and his approach was considerably different from Hitler's. Though the reality of all collectivism is that the individual is always subservient to some "greater good" or objective of the collective. This leads to all manner of horrors being perpetrated on individuals. When food becomes scarce because of market manipulation or bad policies, someone has to produce more food - and if that someone is determined to be you, well, you'd better get out there and farm with gusto or you might get put into a fenced area with armed guards to make gravel for roads with a hammer, or something. On the surface, the idea that we are all brothers in arms and we will come from many to form one united people is nice. The problem comes in that central planning is a required part of collectivism and central planning always fails to address the needs of some - and as things begin to precipitate out of control, the response is always to "protect the collective" by exploiting the individuals most vulnerable or least agreeable. Go figure that a system which nearly guarantees a spiral into slave labor is not a model for prosperity. But, it is an idea worshipped by all of high academia and being imposed by every government. For one reason or another. By this point, I am more of the view that these politicians know it will not bring prosperity, but it will give them control.
Now replace the specific term "fascism" with the general term "socialism", and you will have finally learned something. Collectivists always say their movements are there to unite The People in order to achieve utopia, while leaving off the part where they tell you what they will do to anyone who stands in the way...
@@WraithOfMan While you are not wrong per se, I think this presents the average person expressing collectivist or class struggle ideals as a witting deceiver. A full explanation of economics and why millennials have gotten a rather shitty hand from the cards would be a whole lecture unto itself. But it is true that many in my generation and the "zoomers" old enough to be getting jobs have been handed a general state of being unable to advance in careers (many unable to even start a career) while being chided by the baby boomers. For example, it is not at all uncommon to hear stories from baby boomers about the cars they wrecked as young adults, bar hopping, etc - while millennials working the same jobs can barely get out from under rent enough to save for a mortgage - let alone go bar hopping.... And a wrecked car is financial ruin for years. From the experience of many young people, especially those taught nothing but socialism and marxist talking points in school - what they are experiencing is exactly what they were taught was the product of capitalism. Even though there is no capitalism left in our own economy and we are fully a state owned fascist economy in America. By Marx's own definition of capitalism (as he defines the pursuit of asset money as capital), we do not have it (as our currency is fiat established and owned by a combination of the government and federal reserve). But I digress. Understanding how the financial sector works and why it is not the economy requires far more effort to see and understand than: "eat the rich." Combined with ideals of mutual care and compassion, collectivism is more a faith system than it is a well developed ideology. Many are raised in it with nothing else present. Kind of like people in religious monocultures grow up to believe what their parents and community believe - for the most part. Now, I think many of the political leaders of socialist causes know exactly what they are bringing. But I don't think they understand the dangers of faith, either. The premise of many collectivist efforts these days is that the current state of society is comprised of foreign or hostile concepts to our human senses. As ... The french guy's name I can't remember how to say .... Put it - 'how much better would we be had the first man to put up a fence and declare the plowshares his own been cast out as a demon' - to paraphrase. The concepts of money, property, religion, state, etc are all things seen as foreign contaminates preventing us from realizing our naturally good and benevolent state of perfection. This is why it is so easy for the left to look to burn everything down - in their minds, we are all being done a favor. And as their revolution succeeds and the current power structure falls and whatnot - there is a glaring problem.... Things don't get better. Worse, rather than becoming more perfect, people tend to act out in the most obscene of ways. Or perhaps they don't take up the new ideas - those hick farmers wanting money for food even though we promise them free movies. Who are they to say our actors and actresses are useless? They failed to achieve perfection and must therefore be either permanently corrupted or otherwise a source of evil.... Right? That is why the revolutions eat their own so frequently. As for collectivism, itself - the whole idea is that there is some collective will or ambition which can be understood and embraced by all. The math of collectivism is rather sound. If we all got together and helped each other out with what we needed, we could make our communities a much better place rather quickly and surprisingly easily. Even who gets what first could be generally swept under the rug by starting at the poorest and working up. Just ten hours out of the week from everyone and run-down, depressed areas could be made great again. But... As this goes on, things get a bit weird. The field of crops started up to help increase the nutrition for the poor is owned by... Who? What was started in good faith must be maintained. Someone has to get out there and work it. The guy with the tractor may not want to, or have time to do it every year. So who does it? Moreover, many other people are contributing their work in good faith because they expect to be taken care of. If there is a shortage of the expected standard of food because no one got out and worked the field - then why should they go out and sweat in the sun to build a deck for someone? To get around this, collectivism must always stipulate the provision of a standard as a right owned by people. This means that the labors of people are not their own and are not donated, but are instead a duty owed to the people to receive them. The individual does not have a right to be an individual, the individual must fulfill their responsibility to the whole whether they like it or not. The individual becomes a slave to this collective whole. Which might not be that bad if the collective whole was a benevolent god who could micromanage like no other - but we are not a hive mind and any such god would seem to value our independence too much to command our lives as such - so collectivism always ends up creating some manner of state legal or class system to order the efforts of the public, who is enslaved by the logic of the ideology to the decisions of mortal men. And of course, if you don't do as you're told... You get to go do hard labor in the gulag to pay off your crime or get to stand against the wall. Which is why collectivism always ends in horrors.
Fascism does not tear societies apart. If you actually get down to it and understand it fully Fascism is ultra nationalism. The US during World War I and World War II and even today could be considered fascist. Spain all the way to the 90’s was fascist and still is today. Nationalism is loving your country loving your neighbor and serving it, fascism is thinking your country is the best and you are willing to die for it and stand with your people and showing other nations just how great you are. There is not militarization against other nations needed, check the definition of fascism in a dictionary from the 50/60 and compare it to the 90’s dictionary and then today’s dictionary. You’ll see the definition has changed over time and used to the advantage of whoever it’s being thrown at. Just like how the definition of a vaccine was changed in 2021 because of the COVID vaccine controversy just so it would fit a narrative rather than it’s actual definition.
A note about Swastika Ontario... During the war they've tried to rename the town to Winston... Local residents pull down the Winston sign and wrote "To hell with Hitler we came up with our name first" Also the town's name is pronounced "Swas Tea Ka" not "Swas Tick a"
Always wondered if the Transcripts were different from the auto-generated CC text. Now I know it's not. At least on this video, they appear to be the exact same. Not being familiar with the ancient image or it's name, I checked for it's spelling to go lookup more details on it. It's shown as "passies." Which, in fairness, does match Simon's annunciation. It is in fact called a fasces (which I later figured out after a failed search of passies). Don't know why channels don't just upload their scripts to the Translate section instead of hoping AI translates it correctly. Just a quick copy and paste. Pretty simple. No?
Julius Caesar didn't defeat Pompey at Alexandria. Pompey was already dead, assassinated by Cleopatra's brother (or his agents). Caesar defeated Cleopatra's brother, Ptolemy XIII.
The swastika is still widely used throughout the East and Orient cultures. It appears in modern day anime, bollywood movies, on buildings from India to Japan, and in various and varied forms of entertainment, education and general culture. It does not have any of the "shameful" view that western cultures place on it. So your reasoning as to why the fasces is still used but the swastika isn't kinda falls flat. They are both symbols widely accepted to have greater meaning then their brief stint into right-wing authoritarianism (and in the swastika's case, outright perversion of it's original form).
@@tardvandecluntproductions1278 The manji can be pointed in various directions. It is not exclusively only in one direction, just more likely to be seen that way.
Next time you see news about what is happening in Congress, look at what is molded into the wall behind the podium in the House of Representatives. There are two fasces.
One small critique about this video. The Italian fascists, the Nazi party, and much of the other groups mentioned started with focus about the people uniting together to improve their own lives. Many having stated views of progressive liberty and socialism. These are very left wing political ideologies. So saying the institutions with these were "right wing fascism" is probably incorrect. I wouldn't call them "left wing" either, though. Fascism and authoritarianism are neither left nor right politically. Occupying a theoretical opposite from the standard political "center." Though history shows that left wing ideas lead to authoritarianism far faster than right wing ideas do.
Yeah, it never makes sense when people say that Nazis are right wing, when Hitler was totally a leftist authoritarian. They emphasize the 'nationalist' portion as a right wing trait, but left and right can be nationalists; but only one can really be socialist.
The Nazis were not leftists. they used socialism in there name to trick people into trusting them. And people are still falling for these simple naming tricks today. They were hard right wing.
Read before replying, please. Authoritarianism and fascism, in all forms are neither left nor right. They are found on the extreme ends of both ideologies. Why were the Nazis left wing? Why were they right wing? Look at what they stood for and see where that lines up in current politics. Nazis stood for taking wealth from the wealthy non-Germans and giving it to impoverished Germans. They demonized the their political rivals and people they viewed as deviants to influence the people's oweren't attempting to accomplish: imperialism and revenge. And that is what they tried to exact. If there is a political wing that sounds like that now, drive the fascists from office.
The more right wing you get you get smaller, less influential govt and more liberty n freedom til you eventually reach true anarchy. Not anarchy like people envision. Anarchy just means no govt and no real laws or rules. Republicans are a bit more authoritarian than libertarians for example. Fascists, socialists, communists are just varying degrees of leftism
Simon, I love your videos been a subscriber for many years, but I would like to object to your final conclusion that the meaning of a symbol depends on who you ask. While of course you are technically correct, I do fear that such a conclusion just gives way to people like the NSM and others to continue using their dog whistles while also claiming that the symbols they are using are benign and “in the eye of the beholder”. Let’s call out fascist symbols for what they are regardless of what diverging meaning they may have had in the past. So maybe the correct conclusion should have been: “The meaning of a symbol depends on *when* you ask”. Thank you!
The term "Dog whistle" is used to camouflage the use of a "straw man" argument which is engaged to marginalize groups with which they disagree. I doesn't matter to the crier of "dog whistle" if those views are actually held by those groups or not.
Fascism isn't inherently bad, Pax Romana existed during a fascist regime, that was their longest period of peace and prosperity. It is just a form of government, it is how the government is run that makes it good or bad. In the same way a republic can be run by greedy corrupt bureaucrats, that doesn't make republics bad, it makes those people bad. The bad events highlight flaws of different forms of government but all governments are flawed in different ways.
In the USA, the right is quite fascist. Hence their fear of AntiFa (Anti-fascist). They claim not to be fascist, but when police kill citizens always say that the civilian should have complied, for an example.
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Amazing, even after running 36 different channels, heading a coup-de-tat on michael from V-sauce, wrestling power of youtube from google, recapturing Danny after his basement escape attempt AND making beard oils, Simon is still surprised the romans beheaded people...
Coup d'etat. Etat is "state" in French.
I think his "really" comment was in response to using a literal symbol of power to murder folk. Imagine if criminals in the US were beaten to death by a flagpole, flag attached.
That's actually maybe not an entirely bad idea...
Hmm.
@@BitRaiser that’s... kinda funny
@@BitRaiser that's antisemitic. Oy vey
@@redacted7989 I know it's bad to beat to death people with the flag, but how is it antisemitic. Is there some dog whistle buried in there.
My husband grew up only a few km from Swastika, Ontario. Fun fact: during WW2, the government changed the town's name to Churchill. The residents were pissed, so as soon as the crew who changed the sign had left, they put the old one back up. Also, we almost bought the church on the left side of the photo, which has since been beautifully rehabilitated into a private residence.
You know you've been watching this channel for a long time when you remember Simons beard as just a stubble baby
Boiled Egg Simon
Honestly he kind of looks like a monk
I remember when he had no beard and some hair
I'm still trying to get used to the beardless, scrawny, pink shirt-wearing Simon from years ago. Really not sure its the same guy. Even the voice is different, though there are a number of accents in England, so...
@@rexpimplemyer3839 I had to look that up, he looks much better now.
When I first moved to the West I was beaten up pretty badly and then promptly arrested for hate crimes, more specifically, "public display of Nazi iconography", you can probably guess why that is at this point. My good luck charm, a brass amulet that I hang from my belt, featured the Buddhism swastika which, in the West, is seen as the Nazi symbol. The amulet was completely destroyed during my assault and, while I'm sure I won't be wearing it publicly again regardless, that fact saddens me because it was a gift my great-grandmother gave me on her deathbed, a charm that she herself have carried for well over 4 decades...
Damn!
So sorry to hear that. Just disgusting that fascists have co-opted that Hindu symbol.
That friggin' sucks. Sorry, man.
Fascist are still better then liberals. (neo-
whatevers are not fascist)
@@vic5015 lol, him getting beaten up by some morons who believe what you do and you blame people like us
Aliens: "what do you think they're doing?"
Humans: "hehe S T I C C"
Whacky stick
How are cave-creatures on a planet thousands of light-years away going to watch us?
Frankly, it just looks like a good way to carry home the wood you have just cut in the forest.
the bundle of sticks, sure. The ax sticking out of it tho?
@@SpiteSpriteSnP I guess you'ld also want to bring the axe back home, after you have used it to cut that wood...
@@jhdix6731 yeah, that's what i figured. Just an easy way to sling the whole lot across your back. Lets you have free hands for defense against wolves and bears.
@@jhdix6731But i guess the further we go back, the more valuable an axe becomes, so maybe you hide it too. But definitely could be a guild symbol somewhere back in time.
@@brucetutty9984 For defense against wolves and bears, wouldn't you want to have the axe in your hand?
once while in Japan a small group of American college students arrived at the same backpackers/guest house as I was staying at.
Only a few hours later they arrived back at the guest house and were quite visibly upset and one "explained" (ie made loud verbal complaints) that Japan was nothing but nazis as they had swastikas EVERYWHERE
several of us tried to explain "na they are 'manji' an ancient Hindu/Buddhist religious symbol of good fortune, and you'll find them all over Asia from India to Indonesia, Singapore to Korea, literally everywhere Nazi swastikas are just a corruption of that"
nope that sort of "BULSHIT!!" wasn't going to sneak past them as one astutely pointed out in his infinite wisdom and knowledge "We nuked them to stop them being nazis, maybe we should have nuked them some more"
then they packed up and left for the airport to try get "The next plane out of this fascist country"
total time in Japan ... not even 24 hours
Reminds me of Randroids.
"A thing is what it is!!!"
Except when it isn't.
Good riddance. What a bunch of assholes. Just because someone took a symbol of peace and decided to use it for their purpose of creating peace via a horrible path doesn't mean the symbol is inherintly evil.
Much like how the christians consider the seiman (seimei star or pentagram as wiccans like to call it) a symbol of satan when it's a representation of the five elements of taoism and their reactions and interactions with each other.
@@kyokoyumi the swastika is also used in germanic runes and is known as a harkencreuse and is symbol of the thunder god thor and has a different meaning than the Eastern symbol swastika.
Some American college students flew 8000km to Japan only to turn around and leave in a couple hours because of a simple misunderstanding ?! That's a pretty expensive snub. Maybe they were looking for an excuse to leave so came up with some lame story.
@@landofthelivingskies3318 I have conversations with people from Guam and it's understandable that a small few still absolutely wouldn't date someone from Japan because they killed many of the Islanders. That being said, I'm pretty upset at the US for the h bomb they dropped around the islands that created horrible radiation resulting in jellyfish babies. Just look it up, it's horrific. Both are horrible history by colonizers onto a small island. And considering the fact that the US brought snakes when taking over the island most recent, I'd say the islanders and descendents have plenty of room to judge Japan and the US.
Also, it's a widely known fact that imperial Japan was heavily fascist by the time the war started.
Seen on a poster:
"My country's flag 🇨🇦 is a leaf and two rolling papers."
Hello from 🇨🇦
I mean even the hammer and sickle has ancient roots. The Soviets used it as a symbol of the working classes, then subjugated those working classes.
Fun fact. We have basically the same story in Bulgaria, just told by Khan Omurtak with arose to his son's.
Said son's then split up on found a kingdom on the Volga river, one went to Italy and nothing and the last one found Bulgaria somewhere close to were it's still is.
There's something a little funny about the fact that "fascist" has the same root word as "faggoto" (the Italian word for a bassoon) as well as the English word "faggot" (which should only be used to refer to a bundle of twigs) I guess there are certain similarities, as they're all rigid, wooden, and highly flammable, and two of them (Fascists and bassoons) sometimes make truly objectionable noises!
This is an amazing tidbit 🤣
I was just about to say the same thing, glad someone put it out there.
Like a Harley Davidson!! 😆
Yes fascists _are_ highly flammable indeed
@@therealunicornselene And just like a bundle of sticks, they make wonderful noises when lit on fire...
The madly various misspellings of “fasces” in the subtitles are just hilarious. “Pomerium” comes out as “Pomeranian” and “Phrygian” as “Pharyngeal”, but there must be at least ten different wrong words that crop up for “fasces”. “Fatties” might be the funniest.
One correction: The stiff right-hand fascist salute is depicted in 18th century paintings but there is no evidence that Rome used it. It’s true origins are obscure and it may even have been invented by artists.
the roman salute has evidence. But it was slightly different than the nazi salute, the nazis took their salute from the romans.
@@pebcak420 Different how? I say we just split the difference and call it the Mexican salute.
Whether the Romans actually used it or not, when the American Pledge of Allegiance was first introduced in the early 20th century, instead of putting the right hand over the heart as done today, the right hand was to be raised in the "Roman" salute. As the fascist movements of Europe became unpopular in the States, it was changed to the former.
@@frankmueller2781 "Nazi" is short for "Nationalsozialistische", which means "National Socialist" in English. Whine all you want about "fascism", but you can't tell me shit about the Italians, can you? No, your boogeymen are socialists.
@@hlaw2830 Yes, you got *part of it* right, sonny. It's the NSDAP for Nationalsozialistishe Deutsches Arbeits Partei; National Socialist German Workers Party. And while I'm not as on point with Fascist Italy, I am fairly familiar with Musselini's days on the Socialist Party. Like another follower of Marx to the north, Il Duce didn't want socialism everywhere save Italy. Almost like his socialism was nationalistic, huh? Let me guess, you're just peachy about *Soviet* socialism?
It’s funny that the Dime the US used during ww2 had the fasces on the reverse. The “mercury” Dime
The fasces is blatantly in US House of Representatives behind the Speaker of the House, two big ones.
DAMNNNNN
Nazis were not Fascists they were National Socialists. They were similar but not the same . Much of media and government refers to Nazis as Fascists to hide the fact that the modern left are just Nazis that dont hate jews blacks or gays. They are socialists which is ironic because the modern left loves Lenin and socialism but Lenin endorsed Mussolini's Fascist government which operated similarly to Nazi Germany who the modern left end up looking like in pursuit of Socialism.
Excellent video, not long ago I had to explain to a friend that some Indian immigrants weren't Nazi's 🤦♂️
I think the main difference between the two symbols noterity is how prominent the nazi's is.
I think that in any nazi depiction I ever saw the symbol was very prominent in back drop, giant flag and arm bands. Also the symbol is "simple" and presented with high contrast black/white and on a eye catching red field.
I cannot remember any depiction of the facists where J noticed the symbol. It might have be present with the same frequency but not as visible. Also the fascist symbol is a complex image that need to be seen from near enough to be identified even on a flag of the same size.
On an arm band I would probably notice nazi's swastica from 10 meters. Not so sure I can see the fascist symbol from the same distance.
It’s on the reverse of the old US Mercury Dime which features a bust of Mercury on the obverse side.
I was looking for this exact comment!
@@F_I_D_D_Y Same here! Collecting coins was an early hobby of mine.
I'm sure that was intentional since that particular dime was minted to commemorate the March of Dimes, began by FDR, to raise money to combat polio. Since polio often caused paralysis, getting rid of the disease then prevents paralysis for many, many people, allowing them to run (represented by Mercury.)
Like I've said for years... a symbol has no more meaning than that which we place upon it.
Lareland Cooper Only a victim if you want to be. There is no physical harm being done here and you can choose to take it personally and go on a crusade for your poor hurt identity or have a laugh and move on with your day. Choosing to get butthurt and ban the symbol just gives it more power.
Sure sean, and a us flag flown upside down is something you probably don't get.
@@ComradeCoy dawg you're the one that went ballistic over someone describe an idea that has been discussed and pondered about since before the year 0. Its true symbols hold meaning due to what people have experienced along with thesymbol. Op never said people should be bigots or stated that peoples suffering is meaningless, and i didnt catch the part where the op said they suppprt the actions of awful shiteating hate-worms. You might want to go for a walk, maybe calla friend and have a nice fun talk. This is a comment section, you can't get anywhere by being such a mean-spirited brat.
@@ComradeCoy There's a difference between forgetting and moving on. There's zero point in banning these symbols other than to protect your hurt feelings. It won't change what had already happened in the past and the best thing we can do at this point is to try not to let history repeat itself. Being offended and "standing up for your people" does exactly jack shit. Get over it. What we as a species should take away from such events is to get educated on the history and make sure that sort of thing doesn't happen again, not to censor them and everything related to them out of butthurt
Thank you! Why is this so hard for people to understand when every third person knows the quote about those ignorant of history repeating it?
Beware the higher-level magistrates who've imbued their fasces with an infinity stone.
I find more and more that the authoritarian movements of the 20th century are more similar than we realize, when looking at it from a civilian’s point of view. What does it matter what values they say they have when the fascist and communist both have the same exact impact on the everyday civilian?
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
they don'T have the same impact
@@h4n5i Collectivist democide was the #1 cause of unnatural death in the 20th century.
"What does it matter what values they say they have when the fascist and communist both have the same exact impact on the everyday civilian?"
Did they though? The mismanagement of communism under Stalin, Mao, and others brought about privation and suffering for almost everyone. In contrast, life was fine for the average Italian or German under Mussolini or Hitler; terrible suffering was only inflicted upon the arbitrarily declared enemies of the state. (Obviously this changed when WW2 started, but the nature of war brings widespread suffering on the combatant countries whether they are fascist or not.)
Any justification to grab power; this is why authority is always fleeting. democracies stay around by trying to spread out that power and then also condition us to respect powers fleeting nature. its still not good, but its a better answer than authoritarian versions of nationalism. because power is also responsibility; thats not just a cool idea from a comic hero thats just what it is; if you stack too many responsibilities in too small a spot- it will eventually show why its fleeting/ humans are limited and flawed. imo- this means no one should hold power of others at all. it makes no meaningful difference because evil is a choice not just an outcome. if the nazis grabbed power and then proceeded to be good lil boys and girls instead Id still be against it. cause all itd take is one guy to not choose that to make the structure fracture. its the same in democracies- they just survive its pitfall and acknowledge it. but they still make evil choices the clintons and trumps and bidens and bushes of the world are still flawed morally and encumbered by heavy responsibilities that are actually unmanageable. but due to the fact that they wield power theyre still accountable to them morally. even if the failure is just cause of too many tasks to attend too. its still something they signed up to do.
power structures no matter how good the intention of course fail in the exact same way- we really can only slow down its drawbacks for so long.but those two hinder the point of power. any redtape slows down key decision making time, so even a good president will only ever be half as effective as they would actually want to be. like I have no doubt in my mind that some people in power honestly try, its just a literally unrealistic amount of responsibility. even if you spread it around a bit thatll just fracture the unity aspect and you grind to a halt on every big issue; its why police never meaningfully improve. we dump money and try to edit the law- but without some extreme focus and a clear unified ideal that literally everyone agrees too- this issues will never be solved; my answer is you cant solve them; dissolve the state. its like censorship it doesnt do what it sets out to do; and its a perfect vehicle for evil which is hilarious considering its stated goal to enact justice. you know- that subjective concept that even after a life time of study you will never have a one true answer to perfect morality. couple that with how many perspectives and opinions can be on the table- the state is a waste of everyones time. honest or not.
12:20 Simons way of saying Hakenkreuz is just hilarious
Simon is either really bad at learning how to pronounce non-English words or he just doesn’t care. He is British, though, so it could be both.
Fascism is not right wing. It is collectivist and was endorsed by Lenin.
Nobody should forget that they are all symbols in the first place and that people themselves write meanings for them.
People with bad or malicious ideas are not stopped by banning an image or symbol ...
The world is complicated and I don't even want to think about what people will think of our languages, symbols and gestures in 100 years.
Especially 👌
I would also venture to suggest it isn't recognized as it's not particularly recognizable. It's basically a column with convex ribbing and a few straps straps across it. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if an architect or designer just decided to decorate something with it completely independently, not even copying it from anywhere, because the look appealed to them.
Architects don't just throw random shit on their buildings, the builders knew the meaning of the syllables when they put them on the building. To suggest otherwise is insulting their intelligence to a ridiculous degree.
Add on to the Italians being hilariously bad in WW2 so no one reeeeeally paid attention to their facist symbols.
@@dandylionsloth446 While I would agree that an architect for something of national significance would unlikely be unaware of the possible significance (or at least check his or her bases to insure any non-structural aspects of the build won't lead to the loss of commission) of such a conjugation of bulges and crosshatches, I see no reason that a private individual should even recognize that such a pattern is anything more than a decorative touch, let alone assign any meaning to it as the fasces, being a bundle of sticks wrapped around an axe has not physically been used as a symbol of anything (with the possible exception of showing one's profession as a wood cutter) in 1500 years, nor is it particularly recognizable as such when expressed either in two dimensions or embossed upon a wall as more than what it is, i.e. a few lines with crosshatches. Additionally, perhaps the one paying for the thing, entirely ignorant of such a possible interpretation, thought that a few ribs with cross straps looked nice and told the architect to put it there or said architect themselves, having received positive feedback on the application of said design in previous work, did so without comment because it got them well paid.
One reason the fasces is not as recognizable as a hate-symbol as the swastika is that it is more complex to draw. Someone’s not going to stand around for five minutes drawing a fasces on a synagogue wall when they can draw a swastika in twenty seconds.
As always this video presentation was educational and entertaining.
You can find on many decorative interior furnishings. Often gilded architectural embellishments on shelving, fireplaces banisters etc. In my home the large mirror in my livingroom has them carved with filigree.
It's amazing the different ways people interpret imagery and symbols, whether for good or bad...
Indeed. The human capacity to make something out of nothing never ceases to rattle my braincase.
You should take a look into the BLM/CCP fist, it _is_ a fasces too.
@@hlaw2830 a fist is not a fasces lol what are you on
@@private2809 One finger is weak, but together they make a fist, which is strong. It's literally the exact same symbolism, who told you that you were smart? Was it your mom? Slap her in the mouth for me when you tell her how wrong she was.
@Jose Martinez DeJesus Search for pictures of the president of Mexico, the Roman salute is still in full effect; hell, if progressives weren't so racist, they'd probably be talking about the fascist nation on our border, and it's oppressive gendered language, lol. What's more, you wanna know why the Swastika was such a universal symbol? Look up some seasonal constellation maps, and take note of the Big Dipper's position relative to the North Star in spring, summer, fall, and winter. You know how you'll see multiple people walking around a wheel on a ship to raise the anchor in pirate movies and stuff? That's what the Swastika represents, except instead of an anchor it's the universe, and instead of sailors they're gods. Further, we don't really use astronavigation anymore, but for most of human history that was the standard, and if you want to identify the North Star, you start by finding the Big Dipper. It's literally the most important symbol in all of human history, while that fist represents the murder of 250,000,000 people last century alone.
It‘s also on the „Kantonswappen“ from St. Gallen in switzerland
Very interesting! Good job team!
I think it should be pointed out that Mussolini was a socialist, not "right wing".
Same with Hitler, here's the video
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Hmmm...I think this was mistitled. "OG Fascist symbol" makes it sound like it was rooted in "modern" Fascism instead of it actually just being adopted many centuries later as a "strength through unity" and government authority symbol by many groups worldwide, almost all of which weren't what we would call "Fascists". That makes it sound sinister from the start, rather than what it actually was. This seems like bait for extreme leftists to latch on to and say "Look! The U.S. government purposely uses Fascist symbols in it's administration!", completely ignoring that for thousands of years it had nothing to do with and predated the modern concept of Fascism. Nor did the U.S. government ever see or use it in that context. I've been a long-time subscriber, and always appreciated your "information, history and facts first, politics are for you to decide" style of presentation, and this is the only one where I feel you have broken away from that for the sake of clikbait.
Doesn't Simon say as much? None of this goes beyond what's already on the Wikipedia page for the Fasces. The entire series of Wiki articles on Fascism is headed by the Fasces, actually.
@@ericmeekey7886 It's listed that way because it's the root of a word, not because the Fasces was always inherently "Fascist" in the late 20th/present century sense. The word Fascism didn't even exist till then (WW2), despite the symbol being nearly 3,000 years old! And only having been used ONCE by a "Fascist" government (Italy under Mussolini.) and hundreds of times by other governments over many centuries. Which Simon gets wrong because he calls the Nazis Fascist as well. The weren't. Their government was "Nazism", which is the German abbreviation for National Socialist. That's what they were, NOT fascists. ONLY Italy, under Mussolini, was Fascist. This is a common, widespread mistake, and is intentionally perpetuated by socialists, who do not want socialism to be associated with Nazi Germany's crimes. Simon seems to have also been an unwitting victim of this sadly common bit of misinformation. That is why I object to the TITLE of the video, whether Simon explains the origins of the Fasces or not. It's click-baity, and on loose examination invites idiots to attack any government that has ever used the Fasces and try to call them Fascists. And I like Simon, this isn't an angry condemnation, just a correction. He does a damn good job most of the time. But in this case, a few things needed correction and criticism because these errors being perpetuated and the misleading video title could reinforce a dangerous, unfortunately common misunderstanding of what Fascism and Nazism actually are, warp the lessons we need to remember from WW2, and associate governments which had nothing to do with these practices, with them.
@@mcchuggernaut9378 That doesn't excuse Italy from allying with the wrong guys, though. And it's not like the Age of Exploration, the Crusades, or the Roman Empire was free of terrible acts officially sanctioned by government either. Western civilization can only have so much of a future through denial of its actual history.
@@ericmeekey7886 When was I "excusing" Fascist Italy? I said nothing of the sort, and that is an outright lie.
Western civilization? Denial of it's history? Dude, the Fasces was used by actual Fascists a single time out of hundreds of uses over thousands of years by many governments. There is no history to "deny" there. And the REST of Western civilization said "No, what you are doing is wrong!" and put a stop to it the one time it did get misused by WW2 Italy. I'm sorry, but you seem to be suffering from the common delusion propagated by a certain political group (socialists) that Western civilization is somehow "evil" and is covering up all of it's "crimes", while warping history to obfuscate the "truth". It isn't that Western civilizations haven't committed atrocities, but this is NOT unique to the West, nor is the West somehow "worse" than others. In fact, it has a much better track record than the East when it comes to ethically benefitting the world! History's 2 biggest killers were Asian (Stalin and Mao), and the concept that caused it (socialism) is based in Eastern "collectivism" - the individual matters little and can be justifiably destroyed for the "common good". And that concept drove Hitler's socialism, resulting in the Holocaust. You might as well come out and say it, because your political leaning is showing: You want excuses to damn the West in particular, claim it's economic system, symbols, and values are "immoral" and that this is being somehow intentionally hidden. This couldn't be further from the actual truth, and isolated incidents, especially when compared to the rest of the non-Western world, don't equal proof of that. Meanwhile in parts of the Arab world, people are still being killed for being gay, getting raped, or criticizing the government, which is run by superstitious religious zealots. While in the West we are so concerned with our morality that we are taught to be ashamed for any bad act our ancestors from hundreds of years ago perpetrated, while the rest of the world was just as bad or usually WORSE during those times by comparison! Pretty sure that isn't "denying" our history, it's staring it in the face and accepting it. Which most other civilizations won't do.
@@mcchuggernaut9378 Italy still signed the Tripartite Pact with Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan, among the two worst regimes in history--they need no vindication. Communism is more a threat to the people adopting it than anyone else, which is why all socialist regimes implode given enough time.
As a Westerner myself, I make no apologies for the faults of my culture. Would it be better without Christianity? Undoubtedly yes--heaven is as much a poison to the mind of living people as the socialist utopia is, IMO. But I have to acknowledge that among other things for why it has excluded Jews and other minorities who've contributed to the West in spite of that.
I dearly love when Simon drinks before filming...
@ 0:53 "And of course it is all delivered to where ever you want it to go" this isn't true. Try sending it to where I live, Utah. Big red nope from them. Because Utah is a theocratic state.
I once drank a 3.2% tall can of Coors on top of Angels Landing in Zion. Utah is a real mixed bag bag of a state lol.
The swastika is still constantly used in Asian countries, they didn't let it get tainted by the Nazis, the west however has that association because they weren't exposed to the swastika as much beforehand.
The fasces in ancient Rome and the world of the 18th Century did not mean what it does today; It stems from the symbol for unified singular power drawn from the weaker reeds. In other words , the strength of the many bound together for mutual power and protection , literally "e pluribus unum" ( from many , one ) writ large . The purpose of all government is as a cooperative monopoly on force for mutual benefit .This is what the founders had in mind .
Then arrows. A bundle of arrows. Or teddybears. A bunch of bees. Not the swastika of a fascist party.
"No you see this cross is a symbol of divinity...it just happens to be the exact same symbol as the nazi party's"
@@peartree8338 maybe you should try to use your Swedish, because in English your statement makes no sense.
So you're just repeating what's been said in the video? Great contribution.
@@Cavemanner true , but in my iteration you don't have to listen the his droning massacre of the Latin and Italian lexicon.
also , I said my piece before I saw the video....
Fascinating!
I think the biggest take-home of nationalist and hate groups adopting 'more obscure' iconography is that banning their symbols literally does nothing but make them temporarily invisible. It's not at all addressing the underlying problem. Frankly, I think we should let the hateful folks label themselves with the most recognizable symbols; it makes it easier to find them _and actually deal with them._
National Socialism and Fascism.
Two different things
@@anonymousperson8487 Yes, but you are replying to someone who associates nationalism as being on the same level as a hate group, so I don't think they'll be capable of understanding that distinction...
@@WraithOfMan I'd agree that some Fascists may have been racist but even Mussolini's mistress was Jewish
@@anonymousperson8487 Well racism was pretty normal across the world back then, and anti-Semitism was too across the Christian and Muslim world, but there's nothing inherently racist in Fascist socialist ideology like there is in Nazism, and of course if you look into the history of what went off in Italy during WW2, it's pretty clear that the token gestures towards anti-Semitic laws were a strategic play to get more support from the Nazis, and were rarely applied in practice until the Germans took over - As far as a Fascist is concerned, your citizenship is really just contingent on your complete subservience to The State, not membership of The Race.
@@WraithOfMan Sounds like you enjoy your history as well, one of my favorites on TH-cam is TIK History. If you haven't seen his videos yet? I highly recommend looking into them
The bundle can also be found on the tails side of the american Dime
I have learned so much from the comments section for this video. I had no idea that the Nazis were actually socialists because it was right there in their name. Thanks for showing me that, guys! I just have a couple of questions:
Are Fruit Loops actually fruit? I mean, it’s right there in the name.
Should I feed my Ford Mustang hay? I mean, after all it’s a horse, it says so right in the name.
I used to think that Dog’s Bollocks was a cool British beer with a silly name, but now I’m worried about what I was drinking because, well...
I’m worried that I accidentally bought a male coconut. I wanted fresh coconut milk, but the one I bought doesn’t have teats...
If I cook bacon in a fry pan, do I have to call it fryon? Now that I think about it, can I even call it a fry pan if I don’t use it for fries?
Why do the Belgians lie so much? French fries are French, it’s right there in the name.
I tuned in to Fox News the other night, and they didn’t mention a single fox. What gives?
Happily awaiting further elucidation...
If you want further elucidation, don't look for it on the History channel, because...
Well, you can see where I'm goin'' with this, can't you?
@@willmfrank lol. Well played, sir. Well played indeed.
@13:44 He lists the names of the groups so quickly that their bulls#it runs so closely I can't differentiate between them.
Which political movements considered right and left seem to have been confused at some point. A solid definition of what is and is not considered each side is in order. How much can vary by political jurisdiction, how various topics may be pushed out of a camp, ect.
Alternatively, we could stop the foolishness of trying to somehow divide something so incredibly complicated into two categories.
Exactly, I still wonder how Fascism got attached to the Nazis when the Nazis proclaimed themselves to be Nationalist Socialists....I mean it's literally in the word Nazi which in English is Nationalist Socialist German Workers Party....the only Fascists in WWE were the Italian Fascists under Mussolini, Japan was imperialist.....is it because they formed an alliance as the Axis powers that the mixing and confusion became a thing?
This was informative ! Im sharing !
The OG Fact Boi that is found everywhere on TH-cam 😎
The Roman fasces is such a cool symbol. It represents national unity and solidarity. Something we lack in the west now 😭
Absolutely. The Etruscans were legit.
Holy moly! I’m a member of the Knights of Columbus. This is awesome that we were mentioned as an example.😁. Maybe not exactly awesome given the text of the vid.
Had never heard if them, but essentially a similar group as the freemasons, but Catholic? Also a tad bit more politically outspoken, according to the Wikipedia page at least.
No judgement, but may I ask why you joined?
Not like the freemasons at all. It's an organization designed to support the families of Catholic men should anything happen to the man and he dies or otherwise cannot support the family. It has since grown to be an enormous charitable and service organization that supports Catholic issues and teachings. A church with an active Knights council is usually close knit and involved in their community.
Great video!
I mean the swastika is used as liberally as ever in the East. It's an eastern symbol. The fasces is a western symbol and still used throughout the west. Not everyone still has such a stick up their ass about WWII lol.
Didn't funny mustache guy also flip and spin it?
It's used by native Americans the same as in Asia and what not
@@phredphlintstone6455 no there's a clockwise swastika and a counterclockwise swastika and they mean different things. From my layman's understanding the one the Nazis used, the counter-clockwise one, denotes what's called Kali Yuga; which is an age of strife in the Hindu calendar.
Super interesting, as an Italian I knew almost all of this but not the pervasiveness of the symbol in American buildings. But Simon, you absolutely butchered every single Italian and Latin pronunciation/name 😂 I imagine you do have a way of check for pronunciation given your team, but in case you don't and you want to double check for following episodes with Italian and Latin words, HMU! I'd be glad to help
Being an American I knew some of this already but never knew that it was in our architecture at all.
He absolutely butchers everything that's not in English in every video on every one of his channels. As a linguist I'd offer to help for free, but it really seems as if he doesn't care whatsoever.
@@tyewolf4493 it is everywhere ; it is based on the democratic concept concept of strength through unity
@@Finn_Lawless No one cares. Most pronunciations are dependent on having the original accent and or require esoteric knowledge of the language in question.
I can't tell you the number of times I've heard italians saying "G-nome" or "K-nite(knight)", and don't get me started on the butchering that Germans perform on most languages besides their own.
@@exmcgee1647 it's based on nation and unity, nothing to do with democracy, which is evil
Thanks Simon. As an American going through our screwed up educational system from the 80's and 90's ( oh boy it's worse now) I was never taught this, yet I had always wondered why American architecture and government iconography shared the same symbol with WWII Italy and ancient Rome. Much appreciated 👍👍🇺🇸
@@alexroge6495 public education is a tool for bankers to keep the native population from becoming aware we are being robbed by the tiny hat bankers.
@UCmT0t98Ty-aZAi7Tn4gvjNA I think apprenticeship is better than one size fits all intelligence metrics. It's one of the flaws of the enlightenment, thinking that everyone who breathes has the potential to be a doctor. And we have pursued this path to the logical conclusion.
When everyone is special, no one is.
Now we have Nietzsche style culture and dying youths.
Blocked?
I rolled my eyes so hard it hurt. You do realize these videos are made about what is *NOT* common knowledge? Not just what Americans don't know.
yeah but no this symbol has been the roman rebulic senates symbol for law not facism politic and it would be logic law enforcement would use it as such symbol for thier branch..his wrong
I'm Italian and I noticed many american buildings have that symbol and I was like 😬
I can't start my day until I watch all of our legendary fact boi's new uploads.
Do you ever double check to see if these guys are getting it right?
@@captainhakob814 I research a lot of things. They're usually pretty accurate but I have found errors on Casual Criminalist but that's pretty common throughout the true crime genre.
@@delseywitt398 ni$e I noticed a few discrepancies also. Once I made an as of myself trying to prove a point.
@@captainhakob814 Yep. I don't engage with people who respond negatively or respond in a way that indicates they're not using critical thinking skills. I have much better things to do.
I never noticed before now how much a young Mussolini looks like Fredo Corleone. I can imagine Benito saying, "It ain't the way I wanted it! I can handle things! I'm smart! Not like everybody says...like dumb...I'm smart and I want respect!"
"It was supposed to be me!"
Don't associate him with american mafia movie, Italians don't like it
omg, i never noticed all the depiction of fasceses (i hope i spelled that right lol ^^) embedded in the worlds' cultures... i think i cannot unsee it now though :D
the lincoln monument armrests are my favourite i think.... so sneaky ^^
Holy shit that is sneaky! Unless the light's right or you look really close, it's hard to see the straps across them! Just looks like normal columns from a distance or at a glance.
Maybe I misunderstood the video, but they aren't sneaky, are they? They simoly used the meaning from before WWII. As a Dutchman, I have no clue when the Lincoln memorial was build, but if it was before Musolini changed the meaning of the symbol, I'd argue it was pride over sneakiness to include them.
About the spelling:
"Fasces" is the correct plural; the singular is "Fascis."
@@willmfrank ah well, thx i guess ^^
@@insanityrabbit2406 Lincoln memorial was built between 1914 and 1922 when it was finished and dedicated. So yes, before the Fascist approbation of the symbol.
In fact almost all depiction of the symbol are pre fascism. Like the Swastika the Fasces is OLD, far, far older than the organisations that essentially ruined them at least in the minds of Western Europeans. Hell the Swastika is one of the oldest known symbols in human history and has been seen in multiple cultures over the last several thousand years!!!
I admit I find it weird that the internet in almost every country has banned showing the swastica but is okay with the Roman version of a fascist dictatorship type government.😅🤨🤔🧐
9:55 I keep hearing opposing points on this. I generally associate right-wing with capitalism, autonomy, individualism, and conservatism. The Italian fascist party was powerfully socialist... The integrated most heavy industry into the government (seized the means of production, as it were) enrolled everyone in the same trade union. Implemented "single-payer healthcare" and these are all things that I associate with left-wing ideology. Or left-wing authoritarianism.
That's because you are not being told the truth about fascism. Instead, all that one hears is described in terms of "left wing" and "right wing" and economics (all of which you mentioned in your post, and is the source of your confusion).
Someone is not telling you the truth. Pats of it, maybe...but how to discern what is true and what is not?
You have to learn _on your own_ what Fascism really is...and since you already know that some of your sources (if not all of them) are false/misleading, don't go back to those sources.
@@Name-ps9fx Benito was an extremely impatient socialist who saw the tremendous power of nationalism and used it and pushed the with our state or against it idea to gain power and achieve those wonderful socialist goals of unity of thought and subordination of the individual to the state
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Irrelevant. To understand a concept, you cannot use a specific example.
For instance, if I asked, "What is a sedan?" if you answered "An Edsel is a sedan", you are providing a specific example, which does not help others understand what a sedan _is_ . A correct response would be "A 4 door automobile intended to transport people in relative comfort." This definition covers _not only_ the bad examples (i.e., the Edsel) but also includes the good examples.
You also mention nationalism as if it's a bad thing. In fact, nationalism is usually one of the core elements of fascism. When nationalism is not included, then _by definition_ one has INTERNATIONALISM. Internationalist governments ("Communist" gov'ts) are _also_ fascist. They have to be, because like all strong governments they have to control what is the "cord" that binds the people, industry, education, banking, and the military etc to the government.
You're all wrong. Fascists are the people who disagree with me. At least I will denounce them as such. Then I will dye my hair pink, wear all black and burn down your city in the name of social justice.
@@Name-ps9fx An Edsel is a medium-sized, four-door car designed to be an economic mode of transport for a family, thus making it a sedan. Giving an example and describing its defining characteristic traits is *exactly* how you help other people understand what something is, because it provides their brains a frame of reference to work from, which is exactly what Larry did. Also, he only gave a bad example of fascism because there are only bad examples of fascism.
Regarding nationalism, he did not imply it was bad, he said it was powerful. Which it is. Nationalism promotes tribalistic instincts on the scale of an entire country, which is ideal for its leadership regardless of their intentions. It got the US into two totally unnecessary 20-year wars in the Middle East with no benefits, for example. It also helped rebuild Russia and China from the ashes of their predecessors.
Regarding internationalism/globalism, these "governments" are usually the products of international corporations who are not beholden to the governments of the countries they were born in. They are the result of capitalism being taken to extremes. Whereas a communist society will starve its own people to death in short order, a capitalist one will starve everyone else's first.
And no government *has* to be fascist. They *choose* to be because they want that power over people. But their getting it is usually the death of a country because a government is as surefire a way to gather a large number of incompetent, arrogant people in one place as a prison, except it gives them power instead of containing them.
I like when we don't allow a single group to ruin a symbol that they appropriated for evil
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This reminds of an ancient tail of a wise father. One day he call his seven sons and handed one of them a bundle of arrows, and told him to break it in half. He tried and tried with all his might but it didn’t break. His father told him to give it to his brothers, but no luck all the way to the strongest. Then the father took it and one by one broke everyone with ease. And said, if you are united even the strongest forces will not harm you. If not, even a breeze will snap you like a twig.
I misunderstood and brought a feces to court. Imagine my embarrassment...
9:20 Let's not just gloss over the fact that Mussolini was a journalist before he became one of the world's worst dictators.
This is another reason to do independent research on any story or topic heard from a journalist.
Best*
"independent research"
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Che was a doctor. Never trust doctors. Lol
Hitler was a child once, I feel like should ban children, just to be sure...
Especially journalists from Fascist Fox "news".
The real question is how many Lictors does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop.
Great video as always. It’s been a while since I tuned in, that beard game is strong!
The neighborhood I grew up in, many decades ago, was called “Swashtika heights “. (Sp)
Think the fasces was an hundred of year old symbol by 1940 while the swastika was pretty new in the west.
Remember seeing an old photo of a young lady in an long white dress decorated with swastikas, style was pre WW 1, but still weird.
Also comparing Italia and Germany, well who was the dangerous side who massacred millions?
hundred..a milenia i would say
it was the symbol for roman repbulic senate had when not in war...swastika also is an old religous symbol which htiler stole..2 difrent things totaly
They both did, and Japan was even worse.
Both did, especially if you include Italian colonial history (e.g. concentration camps in Libya, using chemicals weapons and mustard gas in Ethiopia)
The Swastica has been around literally for millennia all over India, Asia, and Europe. You can find it is artwork and artisan works if you look closely. The Nazis hijacked this old sun etc. symbol, which is a great crime.
Both Finland and Latvia had swastika as a roundel of their air forces right after gaining independence after WWI, but after WWII it was no longer possible to use that, so the design had to be changed. Also most Latvian military awards and symbols of the interbellum period had a swastika on them (like medals, officers swords etc), but now swastika is mostly used only in traditional folk ornaments.
When the axe comes down, the bundle supporting it is bloodied. Meaning, even if all you do is support wrongdoing, imo you're guilty, maybe even as much so as the one doing the act. Ignorance is frustratingly overabundant thesedays, nobody has any idea what they're voting for anymore.
Here in Montreal The Casa d'Italia build in 1936 is ornate with fasces for obvious reason and you can admire in a nearby church a fresco made to commemorate the Latheran Treaty of 1929 who feature many Saints and important italian figures of the time including Mussolini on a horse.
The meaning of the fasces sort of contradicts the whole premise of fascism, as fascism is divisive and tears societies apart.
This subject takes a bit of time to explain, and most don't want to understand.
Fascism is, at its core, a collectivist ideology with close proximity to Marxism. This is in contradiction to what most people are taught, but it is right there in Mussolini's history, getting his start as part of labor revolts and working class strikes/action.
All European societies after 1900 are Marxist through and through. Do not let them fool you. The difference between the left and right wing in Europe centers around the notion of the state. With right wing denoting ideas which support the existence of nations and states and the left wing denoting those who believe in the dissolution of states or a sort of global manifest destiny of communism - that the revolution is global and the future is global communism.
But communists of both varieties are always presented with a problem - and that is that the current state of affairs exists and there is no clear or obvious path to "real socialism" or "real communism." In Russia, a class based war was initiated between the owners of property and the workers to wipe out the current authority. Objectively, it failed to create anything new and wasn't much better than the French revolution decades prior. Further, moving into World War 1, rather than nations moving to unify after their revolutions, they continued to act along tribal lines. This generally led observers like Mussolini and Hitler to conclude that destroying the state was the incorrect method and that the authority of the state should be assumed and used to shift society toward "real socialism."
After all, Marx was rather vague on how communism was supposed to work, and the reality is that there can be no other entity to speak for the collective interest than the state.
Whereas Hitler used racial tensions and divides to secure authority in society, Mussolini couldn't do that in Italy and his approach was considerably different from Hitler's.
Though the reality of all collectivism is that the individual is always subservient to some "greater good" or objective of the collective. This leads to all manner of horrors being perpetrated on individuals. When food becomes scarce because of market manipulation or bad policies, someone has to produce more food - and if that someone is determined to be you, well, you'd better get out there and farm with gusto or you might get put into a fenced area with armed guards to make gravel for roads with a hammer, or something.
On the surface, the idea that we are all brothers in arms and we will come from many to form one united people is nice. The problem comes in that central planning is a required part of collectivism and central planning always fails to address the needs of some - and as things begin to precipitate out of control, the response is always to "protect the collective" by exploiting the individuals most vulnerable or least agreeable.
Go figure that a system which nearly guarantees a spiral into slave labor is not a model for prosperity.
But, it is an idea worshipped by all of high academia and being imposed by every government. For one reason or another. By this point, I am more of the view that these politicians know it will not bring prosperity, but it will give them control.
Now replace the specific term "fascism" with the general term "socialism", and you will have finally learned something. Collectivists always say their movements are there to unite The People in order to achieve utopia, while leaving off the part where they tell you what they will do to anyone who stands in the way...
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While you are not wrong per se, I think this presents the average person expressing collectivist or class struggle ideals as a witting deceiver.
A full explanation of economics and why millennials have gotten a rather shitty hand from the cards would be a whole lecture unto itself. But it is true that many in my generation and the "zoomers" old enough to be getting jobs have been handed a general state of being unable to advance in careers (many unable to even start a career) while being chided by the baby boomers. For example, it is not at all uncommon to hear stories from baby boomers about the cars they wrecked as young adults, bar hopping, etc - while millennials working the same jobs can barely get out from under rent enough to save for a mortgage - let alone go bar hopping.... And a wrecked car is financial ruin for years.
From the experience of many young people, especially those taught nothing but socialism and marxist talking points in school - what they are experiencing is exactly what they were taught was the product of capitalism.
Even though there is no capitalism left in our own economy and we are fully a state owned fascist economy in America. By Marx's own definition of capitalism (as he defines the pursuit of asset money as capital), we do not have it (as our currency is fiat established and owned by a combination of the government and federal reserve). But I digress.
Understanding how the financial sector works and why it is not the economy requires far more effort to see and understand than: "eat the rich." Combined with ideals of mutual care and compassion, collectivism is more a faith system than it is a well developed ideology. Many are raised in it with nothing else present. Kind of like people in religious monocultures grow up to believe what their parents and community believe - for the most part.
Now, I think many of the political leaders of socialist causes know exactly what they are bringing. But I don't think they understand the dangers of faith, either.
The premise of many collectivist efforts these days is that the current state of society is comprised of foreign or hostile concepts to our human senses. As ... The french guy's name I can't remember how to say .... Put it - 'how much better would we be had the first man to put up a fence and declare the plowshares his own been cast out as a demon' - to paraphrase. The concepts of money, property, religion, state, etc are all things seen as foreign contaminates preventing us from realizing our naturally good and benevolent state of perfection.
This is why it is so easy for the left to look to burn everything down - in their minds, we are all being done a favor.
And as their revolution succeeds and the current power structure falls and whatnot - there is a glaring problem.... Things don't get better. Worse, rather than becoming more perfect, people tend to act out in the most obscene of ways. Or perhaps they don't take up the new ideas - those hick farmers wanting money for food even though we promise them free movies. Who are they to say our actors and actresses are useless?
They failed to achieve perfection and must therefore be either permanently corrupted or otherwise a source of evil.... Right?
That is why the revolutions eat their own so frequently.
As for collectivism, itself - the whole idea is that there is some collective will or ambition which can be understood and embraced by all. The math of collectivism is rather sound. If we all got together and helped each other out with what we needed, we could make our communities a much better place rather quickly and surprisingly easily. Even who gets what first could be generally swept under the rug by starting at the poorest and working up. Just ten hours out of the week from everyone and run-down, depressed areas could be made great again.
But... As this goes on, things get a bit weird. The field of crops started up to help increase the nutrition for the poor is owned by... Who? What was started in good faith must be maintained. Someone has to get out there and work it. The guy with the tractor may not want to, or have time to do it every year. So who does it? Moreover, many other people are contributing their work in good faith because they expect to be taken care of. If there is a shortage of the expected standard of food because no one got out and worked the field - then why should they go out and sweat in the sun to build a deck for someone?
To get around this, collectivism must always stipulate the provision of a standard as a right owned by people. This means that the labors of people are not their own and are not donated, but are instead a duty owed to the people to receive them. The individual does not have a right to be an individual, the individual must fulfill their responsibility to the whole whether they like it or not. The individual becomes a slave to this collective whole.
Which might not be that bad if the collective whole was a benevolent god who could micromanage like no other - but we are not a hive mind and any such god would seem to value our independence too much to command our lives as such - so collectivism always ends up creating some manner of state legal or class system to order the efforts of the public, who is enslaved by the logic of the ideology to the decisions of mortal men.
And of course, if you don't do as you're told... You get to go do hard labor in the gulag to pay off your crime or get to stand against the wall.
Which is why collectivism always ends in horrors.
Fascism does not tear societies apart. If you actually get down to it and understand it fully Fascism is ultra nationalism. The US during World War I and World War II and even today could be considered fascist. Spain all the way to the 90’s was fascist and still is today. Nationalism is loving your country loving your neighbor and serving it, fascism is thinking your country is the best and you are willing to die for it and stand with your people and showing other nations just how great you are. There is not militarization against other nations needed, check the definition of fascism in a dictionary from the 50/60 and compare it to the 90’s dictionary and then today’s dictionary. You’ll see the definition has changed over time and used to the advantage of whoever it’s being thrown at. Just like how the definition of a vaccine was changed in 2021 because of the COVID vaccine controversy just so it would fit a narrative rather than it’s actual definition.
Your reply isn’t showing up for me to read for some reason so I hope we at least had some form of understanding
"...Very much depends on who you ask." And therein lies the rub.
A note about Swastika Ontario... During the war they've tried to rename the town to Winston... Local residents pull down the Winston sign and wrote
"To hell with Hitler we came up with our name first"
Also the town's name is pronounced
"Swas Tea Ka"
not "Swas Tick a"
“Oy vey da fascists hurt my feelings let me bitch about them”
Far right groups who use the term "socialist" always makes me shake my head.
Why? Is it cause they're right? Cause socialists are in fact far left not right.
National...Socialist. the clue is in the name.
Socialism isn't strictly left or right
Thank you
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I don't suppose there is much overlap between the statue-topplers and the Whistler demographic. However I think Simon is playing with fire here.
Always wondered if the Transcripts were different from the auto-generated CC text. Now I know it's not. At least on this video, they appear to be the exact same. Not being familiar with the ancient image or it's name, I checked for it's spelling to go lookup more details on it. It's shown as "passies." Which, in fairness, does match Simon's annunciation. It is in fact called a fasces (which I later figured out after a failed search of passies). Don't know why channels don't just upload their scripts to the Translate section instead of hoping AI translates it correctly. Just a quick copy and paste. Pretty simple. No?
Good video 👍
Julius Caesar didn't defeat Pompey at Alexandria. Pompey was already dead, assassinated by Cleopatra's brother (or his agents). Caesar defeated Cleopatra's brother, Ptolemy XIII.
The swastika is still widely used throughout the East and Orient cultures. It appears in modern day anime, bollywood movies, on buildings from India to Japan, and in various and varied forms of entertainment, education and general culture. It does not have any of the "shameful" view that western cultures place on it. So your reasoning as to why the fasces is still used but the swastika isn't kinda falls flat. They are both symbols widely accepted to have greater meaning then their brief stint into right-wing authoritarianism (and in the swastika's case, outright perversion of it's original form).
All those trucks in the Himalayan region, swastikas and the eyes of Buddah..
-and very nicely decorated..
The Japanese ones for their Temples are pointed towards the other direction though.
@@tardvandecluntproductions1278 The manji can be pointed in various directions. It is not exclusively only in one direction, just more likely to be seen that way.
Next time you see news about what is happening in Congress, look at what is molded into the wall behind the podium in the House of Representatives. There are two fasces.
I once took a look around the Royals Mews in London. If you look closely the carriages have the same adornment.
socialists are LEFT wing, not right wing
Italy - when even as a bad guy, other people thing you're just naïve and you mean well
One small critique about this video. The Italian fascists, the Nazi party, and much of the other groups mentioned started with focus about the people uniting together to improve their own lives. Many having stated views of progressive liberty and socialism. These are very left wing political ideologies. So saying the institutions with these were "right wing fascism" is probably incorrect. I wouldn't call them "left wing" either, though. Fascism and authoritarianism are neither left nor right politically. Occupying a theoretical opposite from the standard political "center." Though history shows that left wing ideas lead to authoritarianism far faster than right wing ideas do.
Yeah, it never makes sense when people say that Nazis are right wing, when Hitler was totally a leftist authoritarian. They emphasize the 'nationalist' portion as a right wing trait, but left and right can be nationalists; but only one can really be socialist.
The Nazis were not leftists. they used socialism in there name to trick people into trusting them. And people are still falling for these simple naming tricks today. They were hard right wing.
Your critique is that he said 2+2=4 instead of saying it equals five.
Read before replying, please. Authoritarianism and fascism, in all forms are neither left nor right. They are found on the extreme ends of both ideologies. Why were the Nazis left wing? Why were they right wing? Look at what they stood for and see where that lines up in current politics.
Nazis stood for taking wealth from the wealthy non-Germans and giving it to impoverished Germans. They demonized the their political rivals and people they viewed as deviants to influence the people's oweren't attempting to accomplish: imperialism and revenge. And that is what they tried to exact.
If there is a political wing that sounds like that now, drive the fascists from office.
The more right wing you get you get smaller, less influential govt and more liberty n freedom til you eventually reach true anarchy. Not anarchy like people envision. Anarchy just means no govt and no real laws or rules. Republicans are a bit more authoritarian than libertarians for example. Fascists, socialists, communists are just varying degrees of leftism
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ANTIFA gonna be pissed you told the world about their new fascist symbol…
Bless your inbred little heart lol
Smoothbrained.
@@ShirleyTimple lol fun that’s what you jump to even though you don’t know me…almost as if it’s been on your mind…telling
@@angusmcnay5449comical irony is hard for you huh?
@@kristibunny1620 the only people opposed to antifa are inbreds and fascists, truth hurts🤷♂️
Little late, but that beard is gone wild, Simon run out of his own beard oil.
Simon, I love your videos been a subscriber for many years, but I would like to object to your final conclusion that the meaning of a symbol depends on who you ask.
While of course you are technically correct, I do fear that such a conclusion just gives way to people like the NSM and others to continue using their dog whistles while also claiming that the symbols they are using are benign and “in the eye of the beholder”.
Let’s call out fascist symbols for what they are regardless of what diverging meaning they may have had in the past.
So maybe the correct conclusion should have been: “The meaning of a symbol depends on *when* you ask”.
Thank you!
The term "Dog whistle" is used to camouflage the use of a "straw man" argument which is engaged to marginalize groups with which they disagree. I doesn't matter to the crier of "dog whistle" if those views are actually held by those groups or not.
Fascism isn't inherently bad, Pax Romana existed during a fascist regime, that was their longest period of peace and prosperity. It is just a form of government, it is how the government is run that makes it good or bad. In the same way a republic can be run by greedy corrupt bureaucrats, that doesn't make republics bad, it makes those people bad. The bad events highlight flaws of different forms of government but all governments are flawed in different ways.
@@jelordgmailcom this is just buzzword salad
7:29 Simon's Eric Cartman impression.
So, we all agree Simon has the most powerful beard on TH-cam
"Symbol is ubiquitous the world over" *has never seen it before in my life*
Then you haven't travelled, as it is indeed common.
Fascists? I do think I have a good fashion sense.
The fascist was an electromagnetic weapon from antiquity
What are you talking about?
Thanks for the video, i really learned a lot. But was the fascism a right wing movement?
Right wing in America is different from right wing anywhere else. I think in America only will fascism come from the left.
Not In America. Fascism is inherently authoritarian. The American right aren’t particularly fond of authoritarianism.
It is if you're trying to malign the right wing, and obfuscate history, like party member Gilles does. Notice how he refuses to use BC and AD, too.
Objectively so.
In the USA, the right is quite fascist. Hence their fear of AntiFa (Anti-fascist). They claim not to be fascist, but when police kill citizens always say that the civilian should have complied, for an example.
I know the stereotype of my area is snobbish but many people would be surprised how friendly the wineries are here in Paso Robles California.
We also have Firestone 805.
Fascism is based.
Based on batshit conspiracy and will always fail
@george mihaita lol found the nazi^^^
@@professorpancakes6545 You haven't found anything: Communism is equally flawed and abhorrent.
Does bright cellars have kosher wine?
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the closed captions are hilarious lolololol