I wonder if the temporary merging with G1 Megatron's spark was what altered BW Megatron's personality and made him seek "technological purity" in Beast Machines.
It could also be lingering resentment over the various events of the Beast Wars. He gained power as the Dragon, but that was due to holding Megatron's Spark; Megatron had more raw power, but Primal's form, which was far more technological-leaning, was overall superior in most respects. Combine that with things like Inferno's antics due to his Ant form overpowering so much of his personality, and his many, many failed projects involving various biological elements, his repeated failed Dinobot clones, including the final one which seemed like a great success only to betray him at the last moment. Megatron likely has a lot of bad thoughts, bad memories, and associates the Beast Wars with nothing but failure and misery; his only long-lasting true success came from simply escaping the straps holding him to the Autobot shuttle and making it to Cybertron early enough to take over and set up his welcome for Primal's crew. Everything else is tainted by failure or betrayal. He repeatedly claims to have won the Beast Wars... but the truth is, he lost horribly, and he knows it. He simply managed to get a head start on the *next* war, and in the process, he wants to purge all evidence of the Beast Wars, and the trauma he associates with it. Erase it all, right down to every trace of organic material - a distinction that happens to include the Maximals themselves. And while we're at it, let's take that God Complex up to the next level. His old minions kept betraying him... let's do something about that pesky "free will" people other than me keep using to oppose me...
@@Blazieth I agree with you in most of you said. Thing is Megatron’s Dragon Form _was_ more powerful than the form “Optimal Optimus” has acquired. HOWEVER, as you’ve mentioned (and will be building upon what you’ve said) 1. Primal’s form was superior in most aspects. He’s more than a “Triple Changer” and he could be a “jet”, “gorilla”, “tank”, even a submersible (though why Primal didn’t use it when either Rattrap and/or Depth Charge needed assistance when they were doing their thing [Rattrap failure to retrieve Sentinel program due to Depth Charge; and Depth Charge trying to destroy Nemesis ship alongside Rampage], he would’ve been an asset). 2. In my humble opinion, while the Dragon form is powerful, it’s only because of one thing: Megatron’s Spark. Unlike with Primal (who returned his borrowed spark to Optimus Prime), Beast Megs kept his predecessor’s spark, giving him an advantage that he held over Primal. The advantage being that Primal could NEVER use his “optimum” power and effort into destroying Megs lest he destroys the original Megatron’s Spark. Hence why Primal went to confront the Vok possessed Tigerhawk to stop them from creating a worse time vortex than the one Megatron started in the season 2 finale. Had Beast Megs returned the original Spark, Primal would still have a tricky time against his rival, but he would still get the win over him
Years Ago, when I first saw Optimus Prime's hand, everything made sense at that point and inscribing a message into the golden disk was a huge gamble for the original Megatron, though it shows how far the original Megatron would go for universal domination, in fact it nearly paid off, though it never was fully finished as the rest of the show happened but the original Megatron's plan came THIS close to fruition.
Yep and the planets being sucked in by the time storm easily represents that without Optimus the deceptions would have overpowered the remaining autobots and then started their empire building. The worlds being sucked in by an expanding time storm seem to represent how they’d spread across the galaxy taking worlds easily without effort if there was no one to stop them. The time storm coming from the mountain also looks like an expanding or growing Tower of Babel. Which connects to the continuous technical, expansion leading to space and then expansion across the galaxy like some kind of decepticon singularity,
If you think about this...since this is 4 million years before the main events of G1, Shockwave's still on Cybertron and waiting for Megatron to return or answer him. Imagine if Shockwave had made a appearance in this show?
Yeah, I was wondering that. It doesn’t make sense why Shockwave didn’t atleast detect something wrong going on with the Decepticons, or go look for them
@@horridhyrdangeasofficial How could he look for them? The universe is vast. He had no clue where to look. And Megatron told him to guard Cybertron so he had to listen to the order. In the Marvel comic, both the Autobots and the Decepticons sent teams to search for them but no success.
Megatron from Beast Wars Leaps and Bounds better than Megatron from G1 Decepticons era and I can't even begin to describe it the only way I can make it more understandable it just to say yes yes
@@southy98yes, you are correct. It wasn't about money, it was about time which Frank didn't have. But someone did an A.I. voice dubbing with Frank as G1 Megatron in the recording. th-cam.com/video/zf3zs5pvSAQ/w-d-xo.html
Only the original Megatron would cheat fate by leaving the Predacons the location of the Ark & the possibility of time travel in a certain warp in deep space
G1 Megatron was a bumbling villain, but one of the more savvy case that always took deadly advantage whenever the heroes let their guard down. He kept finding ways to counter attack Wheeljack's inventions and he killed a large amount of the original Autobots in the movie, including Optimus Prime (...for a while). Beast Wars Megatron can be considered an expansion of this, he's very egotistical and hammy at face value, but also incredibly calculating and manipulative. He could pinpoint when his minions would betray him and even use it to further his agendas for example.
JerryHarway Surely he could have done it in a studio in America and had it sent to Canada if they had paid him enough rather than he travel all the way there.
Megron was a schemer he thought of everything just in case he list the war he made plans and told future generations of deceptions to carry his work he instructed whoever to time travel in order to defeat the Autobots dead in the ark Megatron also wrote the covenant of primus
Theres a reason why Megatron probably did not want to risk killing Optimsu Prime for one simple reason. Optimus goes, the matrix goes with him. No matrix means, having nothing to fight off Unicron. Would had really sucked for him if he had emerged from this only to find that he was now a slave to the planet eater.
@melazyhamd Beast Wars had a fighting game, and the Nintendo 64 version came with alternate endings depending on who you played. In Beast Megatron's ending (aka Galavar, according to the IDW comics), he succeeded in killing Optimus Prime to rewrite history. However, because the Matrix of Leadership was destroyed with Optimus, the Decepticons couldn't stop Unicron from destroying Cybertron.
My theory is it was in honor of their friendship with humanity that all future generations be modified to the size & forms allowing them able to live among humans either with or in disguise
I thought it was like evolution...you know like why there are very few big animals today and everything got smaller over time.....to conserve energy and make it easier to survive.
I thought the general size-change also had to do with the climate and atmospheric conditions; when brontosaurus and T-rex roamed the earth, there was more oxygen and it was warmer.
Even though Megatron was speaking the truth, Ravage was WAY too gullable in just accepting this. Megatron could have easily fabricated this just in case someone like Ravage would be sent after him.
Muaath Najib urm.. they're robots. Everything is stored on a computer. Hell, he could have used that very disc to record the voice and have him (megatron) say something completely different. Its not like classic G1 megatron had lips.
Well actually he did have lips and facial expressions--at least he does in this clip. I wouldnt put it past Megatron 2 to fake footage like this for a strategic advantage. However the evidence clearly shows that this was indeed the original's idea. When Megatron is walking through the ark monologing to himself he says "unwilling though i was to follow my namesake's instructions, it has all come to this...the ultimate risk for the ultimate prize!". He said this when no one was around but himself...soooo...if it was all his idea why carry on with the charade?
Muaath Najib Thats an animation thing really. And even if it wasn't; how hard is it for humans like us to forge a video? we're talking about a robotic species here that was millions of years ahead in technology. I also think you misread what I meant to say. Obviously he didn't forge anything. I'm just saying that Ravage, a trained decepticon special agent himself, was far too gullable and naive to believe BW megatron just because he saw a damaged video of his old leader. A decepticon by himself wouldn't instantly believe anything, and he was trained specifically to hunt down rogue agents. At the very least he could have asked for any sort of additional evidence.
he didnt believe him right away. the whole time he was suspicious, kept the guns aimed at him and was ready to slag him. they talked further after he showed him the video so maybe he did have additional info or data tracks. Anyway you do have a point but video editing skills werent very advanced or well known in the 80's so its easy to look at an old show now and be like "why did he believe him it could have been photoshopped?".
When I first watched this series, I thought it was crap with the story going nowhere. And then at 2:20, all three seasons suddenly made sense when that arm appeared.
I always thought this scene was so badass back in the day! And it still is. I also like how it kind of flushed out the Decepticons/Megatron and make them somewhat sympathetic. Until it gets to the scene where Megatron says that evil has triumphed.... That kind of makes them less sympathetic. But it was still a pretty deep scene for a kids show but I'm sure it was for the older audiences watching.
If you're referring to the Beast Wars Megatron, it's a sign of how much of the finer details of Cybertron history he was ignorant about. He called the Autobot computer Teletraan-1 Tele-TRON instead of Tele-TRAN after all whenever he pronounced the name. The war didn't even start in 1984 as Beast Wars kept having different bots saying. It started millions of years before the Autobots and Decepticons who traveled with Prime and G1 Megatron woke up on Earth in 1984 when the volcano that trapped them finally decided to erupt. The ancient Autobot Leaders inside the Matrix seen in FFOD from G1 stated in fact that that particular Great War began soon after Alpha Trion rebuilt Orion Pax into Optimus Prime as an Autobot who could more readily stand against Megatron. They should have more clearly stated that the Earth phase of the Great War started with that 1984 awakening putting aside that the Beast Wars production team either ignored or didn't know of the fact that G1 established that wasn't even the first Great War between Autobot and Decepticon.
jajuan323 was thinking the same thing. I think the Preds were taught a different history, though. With a different narrative and different viewpoint on the result. Hence his speech about a "Day of Reckoning" with the Autobots.
Well if you take in the Infiltration protocol established in IDW's comics back in 06 and apply it to the amalgam of the original cartoon and Marvel comics that made up Beast Wars timeline it's feasible it was indeed a "secret war" on Earth until the robots made their presence known to mankind. For instance the Voyager space craft was launched in the late 70s(1977) while in The Transformers and it's marvel comic adaptation the robots awaken in 1984 by that time Voyager would have passed our solar system instead of just breaking out of the atmosphere as depicted here. A point could be made for Predacon fabricated history but Blackarachnia and Dinobot seem overtly educated on the history of Starscream when he takes over Waspinator so really I just chalk it up to the writers trying to find a way to explain the golden disks and softly reboot G1's timeline of events to better fit the show.
Damn Megatron (G1) Smart move. This is one of the best speeches that I am aware of in any transformers continuity, many of which are from Megatron. This is definitely top 3.
Megatron stole the disk because A: It contains information pertinent to the dawn of man and the history of the earth, useful if you have a shiny new transwarp drive. B: It has a secret encoded message by the original Megatron listing the location of the Ark creating a plan to destroy the Autobots in the past before they can defeat the Deceptacons in the Great War (aka the G1 Transformers series). If Optimus Prime was destroyed, it would forever prevent the Maximals from existing and therefor the Predacons would be free to rule Cybertron and beyond. Destroying mankind would be a sweet bonus given their role in aiding the Autobots.
@@acoote1701 No, David Kaye is the voice of Megatron in Beast Wars, Beast Machines and the Prime Wars trilogy. Gary Chalk voiced Optimus Prime in Beast Wars, Beast Machines and the Prime Wars trilogy. Kaye voiced Optimus in Animated.
Beast wars = 1-3million years +20 before the siege of Autobot city G1 = 1984 Transformers Headmasters = 2010 Transformers Vicotry = +170 years Transformers Zone = +200 years Beast Wars = + 350 years after the siege of Autobot city
+Astrotankerpixel Moderatus Nope! It's the regular Beast Wars. Being that they ended up back in time, now makes the entire timeline cyclical. But it's not an "alternative timeline" because the Maximals stopped BW Megatron from killing G1 Optimus Prime, which would have undone everything from 1984 to Transformers Zone.
+Astrotankerpixel Moderatus Nope! It's the regular Beast Wars. Being that they ended up back in time, now makes the entire timeline cyclical. But it's not an "alternative timeline" because the Maximals stopped BW Megatron from killing G1 Optimus Prime, which would have undone everything from 1984 to Transformers Zone.
Anyone else notice how much smaller megatron(G1) must be compared to prime using BW megatron as a measuring stick? He's the same size as primes head but the size of megatron a torso
LOL ya I notice, at 2:47 (BW) Metatron's ia about the size of Optimus Prime's head..But at 3:18 to 3:28, (BW)Megatron is the size of Optimus Prime's Torso, WTF?!
@@panickedpaladin3966mini-cons are half the size of Human children. Most Beast Wars Maximals are the average height of adult human's, with the execption of Rattrap, Quickstrike and Black Arachnia who are shorter, Megatron is far above average human height, same with Dinobot and Inferno.
I feel like they used this version of Megatron in the later series. A revolutionist seeking to free his people with a twisted vision and force, as the G1 Megatron was more of a tactician. Either way both are great characters.
But it turns out that Megatron just made a lie. He actually revolutionize just to conquer Cybertron and turns the entire cybertronian race into mindless slaves and drones.
1:38 yay you added this scene.... probably the high point of the entire beast wars. such a turning point, such a speech. "the ultimate risk, for the ultimate prize! a day of reckoning with those who made us SLAVES! "
Ahh yes the 90s at its best I loved this show I had this megatron I had soo much of them transformers were the best action figures hands down who with me
I personally do not like the original series at all, but I think Beast Wars is just AWESOME! And their callbacks to the show offer up some of the best moments in the series. Plus, I love how they also include the Marvel comics in their continuity since those books concluded the G1 storyline.
Kinda funny how i just realized that the Maximals and Predicons seem to be just about as big as Headmasters. At least now i know i can high five Cheetor without flying miles away
Honestly, as cool as this plan is, it suffers from one MASSIVE error in judgement that dooms it: Without Prime the Cybertronians would have died out long before the "modern" maximals and predicons came to power. Put simply, No Optimus, No Matrix of Leadership as it would have died with him. This means Unicron consumes Cybertron unopposed and likely wipes the universe clean of all life. Even without that, G1 Decepticons could never have maintained a functional peace time civilization. G1 Megatron being the Decepticons best leader is a massive indictment on the subspecies as a whole given his near perfect record of failures with the only major success being somehow preventing the faction from imploding completely. BW Megs would never admit it, but his existence depends just as much on the Autobots having won the great war as the Maximals does. Besides, even if the Decepticons won and thrived, BW Megatron likely never would have existed anyway, as the events leading up to his creation wouldn't have happened.
Loved this show, but never understood why the size difference between the G1 & the beasts...I mean Megatron was a damn Tyrannosaurus for crying out loud!!?!
sieman78 To add to what Koolboy said, the Maximals and Predacons were smaller as they decided to become smaller to reduce their energon consumption, as the energon shortage established in G1 made energon rarer.
@@JerkVegas86 the Maximals and Predacons are the descendents of the Autobots and Decepticons from the far future and Predacon Megatron stole the golden disk and using a transwarp drive went back in time to prehistoric earth and Optimus Primal’s maximal crew followed him to get the disk back.
1:10 “This is Megatron, Leader of the Decepticons, and if you are hearing this, it means I’ve failed. This time. Hahahaha! But I know that transwarp technology is being developed, and so I leave this message to any Decepticon descendant that may find may find may find.”
I loved the cartoon but my question is that if you look at the size difference between the original transformers & their descendants don't anyone wonder why there descendants is smaller than the original!
They are smaller because it takes less energon to recharge and power them, and it takes less metals and materials to make their bodies so more can be used on powering the planet and it's buildings. and of course making those buildings.
Something interesting that the show didn't get to play out was that the original Megatron's spark was influencing BW's Megatron. That is why he tried to destroy the Ark in the finale.
They couldn't afford to hire Frank Welker to record the voice of G1 Megatron, Bob Forward even offered to go to his house with a tape recorder to record it but Frank's a busy man.
I initially thought Beast Wars was a mess with no direction. Then they revealed that they were in the past and found the Ark. That's when everything came together for me.
It really was one of the best moments. I remember in seasons 1 and 2 they did drop subtle hints too. Dinobot mentioning the Autobots and Decepticons, Starscream's ghost randomly showing up one time, but also keeping it all one big mystery. My understanding for season 1 they hadn't fully decided on the direction yet.
1:11 I wonder if the producers of the show would have recast the original Megatron himself Frank Welker to reprise his role for this nostalgia moment in the show for the original recording instead of Gary Chalk
He didn't want too much money, the BW budget couldn't afford it, Bob offered to go to his house to record it with a tape recorder but Frank's a busy man.
Peter Cullen watched "Optimal Solution" with his family and said later in an interview ""Why wasn't I asked back?" Answer: Money, as they couldn't afford him, so they didn't ask. He would have gladly done a cameo voice role in the moment that Optimus Prime awakens face to face with Optimal Optimus if asked"
One problem the Voyager spacecraft was launched from earth on September 5, 1977 and the autobots and decepticons didn’t wake up until 1984. Perhaps what he meant to say was that the Voyager spacecraft landed on cybertron during Megatron’s rule of the planet and he used it to inscode his message that beast wars Megatron found. Sidenote I’d like to think that sound wave and shockwave probably helped him with this plan because I can only assume they are the two most intelligent decepticons that he could trust.
The planets being sucked in by the time storm easily represents that without Optimus the deceptions would have overpowered the remaining autobots and then started their empire building. The worlds being sucked in by an expanding time storm seem to represent how they’d spread across the galaxy taking worlds easily without effort if there was no one to stop them. The time storm coming from the mountain also looks like an expanding or growing Tower of Babel. Which connects to the continuous technical, expansion leading to space and then expansion across the galaxy like some kind of decepticon singularity,
I might be dense -- no, scratch that; I *am* dense. So could someone please explain to me why the Golden Disc was so important once the valley had been found? It was dramatic of Dinobot to destroy it with his final Act but why did he even need to? They are on prehistoric Earth. The valley can't be that hard for a robot in disguise to locate again. Why can't the Predacons launch another full scale attack on it in the future? Maybe something low-key that doesn't attract so much attention. But does it even need to be the valley again? Surely there are other key areas that would severely affect the human's ability to assist the Autobots in their war against the Decepticons and they've got all the time in the world to do it. Why does the loss of the disc mean anything after getting the coded message?
The disc didn't necessarily have the location of the valley on it. It had a record of what things on Earth looked like in the future hence the scene with the mountain being destroyed. With the disc, Megatron had a window into seeing what changes would effect what. Destroying the disc rendered that ability useless.
5.33 , this bit shows a clear example of the size diffent between G1 Megatron & the Beast Wars Megatron ,also does anyone know what G1 Megatron vehicle like form was before awaking on Earth with his hand gun form as that I think would help explain why Megatron 3rd animal form was what it was rather than explaining how a transmetal T-rex combine with a handgun = you know what??
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I wonder if the temporary merging with G1 Megatron's spark was what altered BW Megatron's personality and made him seek "technological purity" in Beast Machines.
That could explain a lot, as a side effect, because he as he acquired the Dragon Form he was pretty much enamored of his Wings and Dragon Cannon arm
Ikr, it seemed like it came out of nowhere
It could also be lingering resentment over the various events of the Beast Wars. He gained power as the Dragon, but that was due to holding Megatron's Spark; Megatron had more raw power, but Primal's form, which was far more technological-leaning, was overall superior in most respects.
Combine that with things like Inferno's antics due to his Ant form overpowering so much of his personality, and his many, many failed projects involving various biological elements, his repeated failed Dinobot clones, including the final one which seemed like a great success only to betray him at the last moment. Megatron likely has a lot of bad thoughts, bad memories, and associates the Beast Wars with nothing but failure and misery; his only long-lasting true success came from simply escaping the straps holding him to the Autobot shuttle and making it to Cybertron early enough to take over and set up his welcome for Primal's crew. Everything else is tainted by failure or betrayal.
He repeatedly claims to have won the Beast Wars... but the truth is, he lost horribly, and he knows it. He simply managed to get a head start on the *next* war, and in the process, he wants to purge all evidence of the Beast Wars, and the trauma he associates with it. Erase it all, right down to every trace of organic material - a distinction that happens to include the Maximals themselves.
And while we're at it, let's take that God Complex up to the next level. His old minions kept betraying him... let's do something about that pesky "free will" people other than me keep using to oppose me...
@@Blazieth I agree with you in most of you said.
Thing is Megatron’s Dragon Form _was_ more powerful than the form “Optimal Optimus” has acquired. HOWEVER, as you’ve mentioned (and will be building upon what you’ve said)
1. Primal’s form was superior in most aspects. He’s more than a “Triple Changer” and he could be a “jet”, “gorilla”, “tank”, even a submersible (though why Primal didn’t use it when either Rattrap and/or Depth Charge needed assistance when they were doing their thing [Rattrap failure to retrieve Sentinel program due to Depth Charge; and Depth Charge trying to destroy Nemesis ship alongside Rampage], he would’ve been an asset).
2. In my humble opinion, while the Dragon form is powerful, it’s only because of one thing: Megatron’s Spark. Unlike with Primal (who returned his borrowed spark to Optimus Prime), Beast Megs kept his predecessor’s spark, giving him an advantage that he held over Primal. The advantage being that Primal could NEVER use his “optimum” power and effort into destroying Megs lest he destroys the original Megatron’s Spark. Hence why Primal went to confront the Vok possessed Tigerhawk to stop them from creating a worse time vortex than the one Megatron started in the season 2 finale. Had Beast Megs returned the original Spark, Primal would still have a tricky time against his rival, but he would still get the win over him
I like to think Beast Machines is an alternate ending to all this
Years Ago, when I first saw Optimus Prime's hand, everything made sense at that point and inscribing a message into the golden disk was a huge gamble for the original Megatron, though it shows how far the original Megatron would go for universal domination, in fact it nearly paid off, though it never was fully finished as the rest of the show happened but the original Megatron's plan came THIS close to fruition.
Yep and the planets being sucked in by the time storm easily represents that without Optimus the deceptions would have overpowered the remaining autobots and then started their empire building. The worlds being sucked in by an expanding time storm seem to represent how they’d spread across the galaxy taking worlds easily without effort if there was no one to stop them. The time storm coming from the mountain also looks like an expanding or growing Tower of Babel. Which connects to the continuous technical,
expansion leading to space and then expansion across the galaxy like some kind of decepticon singularity,
If you think about this...since this is 4 million years before the main events of G1, Shockwave's still on Cybertron and waiting for Megatron to return or answer him.
Imagine if Shockwave had made a appearance in this show?
Shockwave: “Megatron?? Why are you purple...and why are you so small!?”
Or maybe the Insecticons since I'm pretty sure they were already lurking around by atleast season 3
Yeah, I was wondering that. It doesn’t make sense why Shockwave didn’t atleast detect something wrong going on with the Decepticons, or go look for them
@@horridhyrdangeasofficial I think it's because of the constant interference from the Female Autobots or something like that.
@@horridhyrdangeasofficial How could he look for them? The universe is vast. He had no clue where to look. And Megatron told him to guard Cybertron so he had to listen to the order. In the Marvel comic, both the Autobots and the Decepticons sent teams to search for them but no success.
Gotta love the risks they took to make it so much more than a kids show.
'How do we up the ante? A couple temporal paradoxes!'
When Optimus Prime wakes up..."Man I have one hell of a headache."
Didn't he wake up for a few seconds after the Maximals repaired him?
What an amazing show! This show stood on its own talent and story boards, really honored the original transformers like none other
That's why i was a huge fan of Beast Wars in my youth and i'm still am :)
Dominic Urbain for sure! WHO isn't...
Me too 😊
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I liked the g1 series more but I’m not judging any opinions.
Megatron from Beast Wars Leaps and Bounds better than Megatron from G1 Decepticons era and I can't even begin to describe it the only way I can make it more understandable it just to say yes yes
He must destroy Starscream too, if he read history, he knows why.
Ironicly, like Tarantules for this Megatron, Starscream quite often turned out to be Megatron's greatest asset - *cough* Bruticus *cough*
Tarantulas.
Starscream ironically caused galvatron birth
And he deserved it, too.
Optimus Primal doing the voice of Megatron? The scandal!
Seriously though, the way they tied G1 into Beast Wars was awesome.
Frank welker wanted too much money
@@chrisedwards3214 I read he wasn’t available.
@@southy98yes, you are correct.
It wasn't about money, it was about time which Frank didn't have.
But someone did an A.I. voice dubbing with Frank as G1 Megatron in the recording.
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Only the original Megatron would cheat fate by leaving the Predacons the location of the Ark & the possibility of time travel in a certain warp in deep space
the original Megatron thought of everything like ravage said Megatron us smarter than everybody else which as why he was dangerous
witch is bit funny being most of the time in the old g1 cartoon he was bit of a idiot
What do you mean a "bit of an idiot?" G1 Megatron is awesome!
***** but he was he let starscream use his gun mode you know the traitor
G1 Megatron was a bumbling villain, but one of the more savvy case that always took deadly advantage whenever the heroes let their guard down. He kept finding ways to counter attack Wheeljack's inventions and he killed a large amount of the original Autobots in the movie, including Optimus Prime (...for a while).
Beast Wars Megatron can be considered an expansion of this, he's very egotistical and hammy at face value, but also incredibly calculating and manipulative. He could pinpoint when his minions would betray him and even use it to further his agendas for example.
Such an awesome scene but I wish they'd got the original Megatrons voice back for a cameo.
Frank welker wanted too much money
No, this was recorded in Canada. Welker lives in the US. I wouldn't travel to Canada to record one line and then go home either.
JerryHarway
Surely he could have done it in a studio in America and had it sent to Canada if they had paid him enough rather than he travel all the way there.
Megron was a schemer he thought of everything just in case he list the war he made plans and told future generations of deceptions to carry his work he instructed whoever to time travel in order to defeat the Autobots dead in the ark Megatron also wrote the covenant of primus
hugo weaving was unavailable at the time. ........jokes
Theres a reason why Megatron probably did not want to risk killing Optimsu Prime for one simple reason. Optimus goes, the matrix goes with him. No matrix means, having nothing to fight off Unicron. Would had really sucked for him if he had emerged from this only to find that he was now a slave to the planet eater.
Like when he became one regardless in the 86 movie?
Apparently, that was exactly what happened in the Nintendo 64 Beast Wars game.
@@johnnygyro2295context?
@melazyhamd
Beast Wars had a fighting game, and the Nintendo 64 version came with alternate endings depending on who you played. In Beast Megatron's ending (aka Galavar, according to the IDW comics), he succeeded in killing Optimus Prime to rewrite history. However, because the Matrix of Leadership was destroyed with Optimus, the Decepticons couldn't stop Unicron from destroying Cybertron.
He didnt know about unicron before stealing the disk, hell, hes almost dead when he first meets him anyway.
This right here is what triggered the Vok to send Tigerhawk.
The maximals are really tiny compared to their ancestors.
My theory is it was in honor of their friendship with humanity that all future generations be modified to the size & forms allowing them able to live among humans either with or in disguise
I thought it was like evolution...you know like why there are very few big animals today and everything got smaller over time.....to conserve energy and make it easier to survive.
It was an energy-saving thing, apparently.
I thought the general size-change also had to do with the climate and atmospheric conditions; when brontosaurus and T-rex roamed the earth, there was more oxygen and it was warmer.
In the series they call it "The Great Downgrade". When Ravage shows up they talk about it briefly.
Even though Megatron was speaking the truth, Ravage was WAY too gullable in just accepting this. Megatron could have easily fabricated this just in case someone like Ravage would be sent after him.
Michel van der Linden how would he fake a video recording of a general from hundreds of years ago down to the voice?
Muaath Najib
urm.. they're robots. Everything is stored on a computer. Hell, he could have used that very disc to record the voice and have him (megatron) say something completely different. Its not like classic G1 megatron had lips.
Well actually he did have lips and facial expressions--at least he does in this clip.
I wouldnt put it past Megatron 2 to fake footage like this for a strategic advantage. However the evidence clearly shows that this was indeed the original's idea. When Megatron is walking through the ark monologing to himself he says "unwilling though i was to follow my namesake's instructions, it has all come to this...the ultimate risk for the ultimate prize!".
He said this when no one was around but himself...soooo...if it was all his idea why carry on with the charade?
Muaath Najib Thats an animation thing really. And even if it wasn't; how hard is it for humans like us to forge a video? we're talking about a robotic species here that was millions of years ahead in technology.
I also think you misread what I meant to say. Obviously he didn't forge anything. I'm just saying that Ravage, a trained decepticon special agent himself, was far too gullable and naive to believe BW megatron just because he saw a damaged video of his old leader. A decepticon by himself wouldn't instantly believe anything, and he was trained specifically to hunt down rogue agents. At the very least he could have asked for any sort of additional evidence.
he didnt believe him right away. the whole time he was suspicious, kept the guns aimed at him and was ready to slag him. they talked further after he showed him the video so maybe he did have additional info or data tracks.
Anyway you do have a point but video editing skills werent very advanced or well known in the 80's so its easy to look at an old show now and be like "why did he believe him it could have been photoshopped?".
When I first watched this series, I thought it was crap with the story going nowhere. And then at 2:20, all three seasons suddenly made sense when that arm appeared.
How so? Sorry I was born years after the Beast Era and G1 but am still catching up and a huge fan of Transformers, why was Prime's arm so important?
@@bachongulism4802 it wasn't clear that Beast Wars was a prequeal to G1
@@lucaticoclipes4503 Ahaha right I've watched the show now and understand it but thank you for replying I appreciate it ☺️
@@lucaticoclipes4503 I wouldn't quite say that
@@SalesmanWave i mean,we got hints that it was a prequel, but this scene 100% confirm it
Anyone else find it ironic that original megatron is voiced in here by the same actor who does optimus?
That and the guy who voiced the Predacon Megatron went on to voice Optimus in Animated.
betrayal
megatron: i thought i was speacial ;_;
Princess Lemmy me gusta pensar que optimus prime de animated es la rencarnacion del megatron de beast wars
Garry chalk
No because that's not what irony means.
Always remember the hero is only as good as it's villian
When i saw megatron enter the ark in "the agenda pt.3" all those years ago, that was my first fangasm 😄
I always thought this scene was so badass back in the day! And it still is. I also like how it kind of flushed out the Decepticons/Megatron and make them somewhat sympathetic. Until it gets to the scene where Megatron says that evil has triumphed.... That kind of makes them less sympathetic. But it was still a pretty deep scene for a kids show but I'm sure it was for the older audiences watching.
megatron could easily be the protagonist of the entire 2 series since he drives it from beginning to end
@@romeokilo4535 Definitely
God, I forgot how god damn *awesome* megatron's voice was and his iconic speeches.
"Secret war between the Autobots and Deceptions." Really Megatron? Really?
He probably had no idea that the war would drag other planets like Earth into it.
If you're referring to the Beast Wars Megatron, it's a sign of how much of the finer details of Cybertron history he was ignorant about. He called the Autobot computer Teletraan-1 Tele-TRON instead of Tele-TRAN after all whenever he pronounced the name. The war didn't even start in 1984 as Beast Wars kept having different bots saying. It started millions of years before the Autobots and Decepticons who traveled with Prime and G1 Megatron woke up on Earth in 1984 when the volcano that trapped them finally decided to erupt. The ancient Autobot Leaders inside the Matrix seen in FFOD from G1 stated in fact that that particular Great War began soon after Alpha Trion rebuilt Orion Pax into Optimus Prime as an Autobot who could more readily stand against Megatron. They should have more clearly stated that the Earth phase of the Great War started with that 1984 awakening putting aside that the Beast Wars production team either ignored or didn't know of the fact that G1 established that wasn't even the first Great War between Autobot and Decepticon.
jajuan323 shit thats a long comment
jajuan323 was thinking the same thing. I think the Preds were taught a different history, though. With a different narrative and different viewpoint on the result. Hence his speech about a "Day of Reckoning" with the Autobots.
Well if you take in the Infiltration protocol established in IDW's comics back in 06 and apply it to the amalgam of the original cartoon and Marvel comics that made up Beast Wars timeline it's feasible it was indeed a "secret war" on Earth until the robots made their presence known to mankind. For instance the Voyager space craft was launched in the late 70s(1977) while in The Transformers and it's marvel comic adaptation the robots awaken in 1984 by that time Voyager would have passed our solar system instead of just breaking out of the atmosphere as depicted here. A point could be made for Predacon fabricated history but Blackarachnia and Dinobot seem overtly educated on the history of Starscream when he takes over Waspinator so really I just chalk it up to the writers trying to find a way to explain the golden disks and softly reboot G1's timeline of events to better fit the show.
Destroying Optimus Prime was a stupid idea. Unicorn would end up conquering Cybertron and beyond.
Megs was like 'Worth it'
Just because Prime would die, that doesn’t mean they couldn’t find another way to kill Unicron.
3:31
Looks like a scene for an Indiana Jones movie.
I crapped my pants at this scene.
Anyone else want this show to be aired remastered?
Like the exact same scripts, audio, etc. but the animation was updated?
Yeeeeeess
I was 30 something when I saw Megatron float in the Ark....gave me chills
This is bringing back so much memories from when I was a kid. #90'skid
Damn Megatron (G1) Smart move.
This is one of the best speeches that I am aware of in any transformers continuity, many of which are from Megatron. This is definitely top 3.
Probably records it when he plans to make his final showdown against Optimus Prime. (Which he succeeded to kill him then)
Megatron stole the disk because A: It contains information pertinent to the dawn of man and the history of the earth, useful if you have a shiny new transwarp drive. B: It has a secret encoded message by the original Megatron listing the location of the Ark creating a plan to destroy the Autobots in the past before they can defeat the Deceptacons in the Great War (aka the G1 Transformers series). If Optimus Prime was destroyed, it would forever prevent the Maximals from existing and therefor the Predacons would be free to rule Cybertron and beyond. Destroying mankind would be a sweet bonus given their role in aiding the Autobots.
When he hovers over the g1characters was just so epic
Wow. Gary Chalk did a really good Frank Welker impression.
It’s actually Gary Chalk, who also voices Optimus Primal and Prime in The Unicron Trilogy
David Kaye is the voice of Prime in the Unicron Trilogy. I.e. Armada and Energon
@@acoote1701 No, David Kaye is the voice of Megatron in Beast Wars, Beast Machines and the Prime Wars trilogy. Gary Chalk voiced Optimus Prime in Beast Wars, Beast Machines and the Prime Wars trilogy. Kaye voiced Optimus in Animated.
Actually, that was Garry Chalk (Optimus Primal) voicing G1 Megatron.
Seems pretty easy to open Megatron's spark chamber.
Oh that 4th wall breakage was fucking epic!
0:59 the very first fidget spinner
Minh Do oh shut it ._.
Minh Do lol
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Beast wars = 1-3million years +20 before the siege of Autobot city
G1 = 1984
Transformers Headmasters = 2010
Transformers Vicotry = +170 years
Transformers Zone = +200 years
Beast Wars = + 350 years after the siege of Autobot city
MisterR82 wait the beast wars at the bottem is
Beast war 2/Neo or..
+Astrotankerpixel Moderatus Nope! It's the regular Beast Wars. Being that they ended up back in time, now makes the entire timeline cyclical. But it's not an "alternative timeline" because the Maximals stopped BW Megatron from killing G1 Optimus Prime, which would have undone everything from 1984 to Transformers Zone.
+Astrotankerpixel Moderatus Nope! It's the regular Beast Wars. Being that they ended up back in time, now makes the entire timeline cyclical. But it's not an "alternative timeline" because the Maximals stopped BW Megatron from killing G1 Optimus Prime, which would have undone everything from 1984 to Transformers Zone.
Transtech = 3000 years in future
I dont think Victory was set 100 years after the siege.
I never knew Megatron was into tentacle hentai.
I think he's into a lot of things...
I always had a problem with the development disc cause the information is stored around it not going down
Anyone else notice how much smaller megatron(G1) must be compared to prime using BW megatron as a measuring stick? He's the same size as primes head but the size of megatron a torso
LOL ya I notice, at 2:47 (BW) Metatron's ia about the size of Optimus Prime's head..But at 3:18 to 3:28, (BW)Megatron is the size of Optimus Prime's Torso, WTF?!
Minicon Megatron lol
Campera angles
@@panickedpaladin3966mini-cons are half the size of Human children.
Most Beast Wars Maximals are the average height of adult human's, with the execption of Rattrap, Quickstrike and Black Arachnia who are shorter, Megatron is far above average human height, same with Dinobot and Inferno.
I can’t imagine what would megatron would say if he woke up when he open his chat
I feel like they used this version of Megatron in the later series. A revolutionist seeking to free his people with a twisted vision and force, as the G1 Megatron was more of a tactician. Either way both are great characters.
But it turns out that Megatron just made a lie. He actually revolutionize just to conquer Cybertron and turns the entire cybertronian race into mindless slaves and drones.
1:38 yay you added this scene.... probably the high point of the entire beast wars. such a turning point, such a speech.
"the ultimate risk, for the ultimate prize! a day of reckoning with those who made us SLAVES! "
Such an awesome series. I hope we see something like it someday in the Transformers Universe. Great voice acting too.
A villian who actually took the shot love it
did I mention that the disk is real?
Ahh yes the 90s at its best I loved this show I had this megatron I had soo much of them transformers were the best action figures hands down who with me
The toys where pretty cool.
Reminder of why this is such a phenomenally better series than any other Transformers series.
I personally do not like the original series at all, but I think Beast Wars is just AWESOME! And their callbacks to the show offer up some of the best moments in the series. Plus, I love how they also include the Marvel comics in their continuity since those books concluded the G1 storyline.
Kinda funny how i just realized that the Maximals and Predicons seem to be just about as big as Headmasters. At least now i know i can high five Cheetor without flying miles away
i am 30 and i am already concentrating like a kid this is how good this show is
I was indeed a fan of this show when I was a kid, and I remember this episode well. But I didn't remember Megatron being this...smirky.
Oh yeah this Megatron is a delightfully snarky asshole and i LOVE it
Heck, yeah! I love this show. I used to watch this as a kid. I got the first season, but non the second nor third.
Why does Megatron (original) look like he has fangs?
Honestly, as cool as this plan is, it suffers from one MASSIVE error in judgement that dooms it: Without Prime the Cybertronians would have died out long before the "modern" maximals and predicons came to power. Put simply, No Optimus, No Matrix of Leadership as it would have died with him. This means Unicron consumes Cybertron unopposed and likely wipes the universe clean of all life.
Even without that, G1 Decepticons could never have maintained a functional peace time civilization. G1 Megatron being the Decepticons best leader is a massive indictment on the subspecies as a whole given his near perfect record of failures with the only major success being somehow preventing the faction from imploding completely.
BW Megs would never admit it, but his existence depends just as much on the Autobots having won the great war as the Maximals does. Besides, even if the Decepticons won and thrived, BW Megatron likely never would have existed anyway, as the events leading up to his creation wouldn't have happened.
Beast Wars was awesome.
I like how megatron and primals bot modes became more reptilian/mammalian while their beast modes became more robotic
Loved this show, but never understood why the size difference between the G1 & the beasts...I mean Megatron was a damn Tyrannosaurus for crying out loud!!?!
sieman78 its because the smaller bodies use less energon
sieman78 To add to what Koolboy said, the Maximals and Predacons were smaller as they decided to become smaller to reduce their energon consumption, as the energon shortage established in G1 made energon rarer.
transformers has never focused much on scale.
To save power
I still get chills watching this.
The agenda pt. 3 is what gave me my first fangasm 😀
This must be a prequel to Generation 1 of Transformers
Yes and no, the main characters are from the far future but went back in time
@@PunchCounterpunch_Lizzy I'm confused
@@JerkVegas86 the Maximals and Predacons are the descendents of the Autobots and Decepticons from the far future and Predacon Megatron stole the golden disk and using a transwarp drive went back in time to prehistoric earth and Optimus Primal’s maximal crew followed him to get the disk back.
@@PunchCounterpunch_Lizzy Got It! Thanks!
1:10 “This is Megatron, Leader of the Decepticons, and if you are hearing this, it means I’ve failed. This time. Hahahaha! But I know that transwarp technology is being developed, and so I leave this message to any Decepticon descendant that may find may find may find.”
I loved the cartoon but my question is that if you look at the size difference between the original transformers & their descendants don't anyone wonder why there descendants is smaller than the original!
My guess it was to use less energon and to be less imposing on other races
They are smaller because it takes less energon to recharge and power them, and it takes less metals and materials to make their bodies so more can be used on powering the planet and it's buildings. and of course making those buildings.
A key detail in that being when both sides occasionly call the autobots and deciptons energon guzzlers
+CRocketSlim You're an idiot In transformers Prime Starscream said they are Biology
+CRocketSlim The Maximals and Predacons had their forms based on DNA.
holy shit harambe was optimus prime ! it was planned
I love Megatrons voice and look in Beast Wars
Something interesting that the show didn't get to play out was that the original Megatron's spark was influencing BW's Megatron. That is why he tried to destroy the Ark in the finale.
i miss the old Megatron voice
They couldn't afford to hire Frank Welker to record the voice of G1 Megatron, Bob Forward even offered to go to his house with a tape recorder to record it but Frank's a busy man.
Obviously, Mainframe couldn't afford to get Frank Welker back to voice G1 Megatron.
I think it was a union issue. This show was made in Canada, not the USA.
This really should be part 2.
Me: Megatron, you're stupid!
Megatron: YEEESS
OOOOH, 'The Agenda' one of the cliff hangers ever. Still one of my top Transformers moments.
I initially thought Beast Wars was a mess with no direction. Then they revealed that they were in the past and found the Ark. That's when everything came together for me.
It really was one of the best moments. I remember in seasons 1 and 2 they did drop subtle hints too.
Dinobot mentioning the Autobots and Decepticons, Starscream's ghost randomly showing up one time, but also keeping it all one big mystery.
My understanding for season 1 they hadn't fully decided on the direction yet.
+Geekin It with JimClassic - Seeing Soundwave, Starscream was amazing. As soon as I saw the arm of Optimus Prime, everything made sense right there.
"You should've....y-you should've...went for the spark..."
I read that the show creators offered to go to frank walker's house to record his lines but there was scheduling conflicts.
1:11 I wonder if the producers of the show would have recast the original Megatron himself Frank Welker to reprise his role for this nostalgia moment in the show for the original recording instead of Gary Chalk
They approached Welker to voice this scene but he wanted to much money for it. Plus it was a costly measure to travel to US just to record one scene.
Didn't Welker provide beast sounds for this series anyway?
He didn't want too much money, the BW budget couldn't afford it, Bob offered to go to his house to record it with a tape recorder but Frank's a busy man.
Peter Cullen watched "Optimal Solution" with his family and said later in an interview ""Why wasn't I asked back?" Answer: Money, as they couldn't afford him, so they didn't ask. He would have gladly done a cameo voice role in the moment that Optimus Prime awakens face to face with Optimal Optimus if asked"
This was a great plot twist
Jesus I didn't think a fire truck was that much bigger than a t rex
Well the first issue with this equation was Prime was a Mac truck for G... Energon Prime was the firetruck
good graphic! better than any video games in today
if megatron really wanted to fuck over the maximals he would attacked primes spark, not his face
BW Megatron was always awesome, but this is when he became Legendary.
One problem the Voyager spacecraft was launched from earth on September 5, 1977 and the autobots and decepticons didn’t wake up until 1984. Perhaps what he meant to say was that the Voyager spacecraft landed on cybertron during Megatron’s rule of the planet and he used it to inscode his message that beast wars Megatron found. Sidenote I’d like to think that sound wave and shockwave probably helped him with this plan because I can only assume they are the two most intelligent decepticons that he could trust.
This scene goes so hard.
love that its connected to g1
If that partial piece of golden disk is from Earth's 20th century.... How did it get MILLIONS OF YEARS IN THE PAST???
Hmmm yeeeees
How it would turn out. Decepticons beat Autobots. Unicron beats Decepticons. Everyone dead.
The planets being sucked in by the time storm easily represents that without Optimus the deceptions would have overpowered the remaining autobots and then started their empire building. The worlds being sucked in by an expanding time storm seem to represent how they’d spread across the galaxy taking worlds easily without effort if there was no one to stop them. The time storm coming from the mountain also looks like an expanding or growing Tower of Babel. Which connects to the continuous technical,
expansion leading to space and then expansion across the galaxy like some kind of decepticon singularity,
original optimus making a t rex look like a baby kitten in size lol
I want to watch Beast Wars because I never have so, how would I go about doing that (without buying the DVDs of course)
The golden disk is a real satellite that we launched into space, but it wasn’t a secret record, it was music being transmitted on the signal.
Can't wait for season three of War For Cybertron. The transformers just crash landed on Earth and about to lead into the Beast Wars.
So David Kaye and Gary Chalk both have taken turns voicing Optimus and Megatron in some way shape or form,
i dont watch this show nor the G1 show but i am familiar with the characters in G1, so i freaked out when i saw G1 soundwave XD
I remember we had a toy of him and thought it was soo cool cause all the transformers were shiny
Beast wars was good show,hope hasbro will get this show a reboot for the future.
I remember watching this series on Netflix
I can't believe the Maximals lost the Beast Wars....Megatron always had a Sean Connery tinge to his accent haha
I might be dense -- no, scratch that; I *am* dense. So could someone please explain to me why the Golden Disc was so important once the valley had been found? It was dramatic of Dinobot to destroy it with his final Act but why did he even need to? They are on prehistoric Earth. The valley can't be that hard for a robot in disguise to locate again. Why can't the Predacons launch another full scale attack on it in the future? Maybe something low-key that doesn't attract so much attention. But does it even need to be the valley again? Surely there are other key areas that would severely affect the human's ability to assist the Autobots in their war against the Decepticons and they've got all the time in the world to do it. Why does the loss of the disc mean anything after getting the coded message?
The disc didn't necessarily have the location of the valley on it. It had a record of what things on Earth looked like in the future hence the scene with the mountain being destroyed. With the disc, Megatron had a window into seeing what changes would effect what. Destroying the disc rendered that ability useless.
Megatrons spark was like no its mine you can have it
I wish we couldve seen the whole message by megatron on the golden disc before dinobot destroyed it
3:37-4:16
Megatron just created a Time-Nado!
5.33 , this bit shows a clear example of the size diffent between G1 Megatron & the Beast Wars Megatron ,also does anyone know what G1 Megatron vehicle like form was before awaking on Earth with his hand gun form as that I think would help explain why Megatron 3rd animal form was what it was rather than explaining how a transmetal T-rex combine with a handgun = you know what??
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