How to find the best HotEnd? - Ultimate HotEnd Testing - Episode #1

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  • This is the first video of a series in which I will test many 3D Printer HotEnds using the methodology described in this first episode.
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  • Giuseppe Antonio Nanna
    Giuseppe Antonio Nanna 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +143

    FINALLY someone is testing all hotends with a consistent method.... we badly needed this. THANK YOU!

    • Kalvinjj
      Kalvinjj 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Agreed, there's only so far subjective tests can go, the "Look how pretty this disposable trinket is, good hotend!".
      CNC Kitchen does good tests as well, there thankfully are a few engineering minds out there that help it when it comes to pushing limits or getting the best consistency on results.

    • Kalvinjj
      Kalvinjj 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @patprop74 I suggest the combination of hot girls and fast printers to achieve the maximum money throughput to keep the crazy fast printing going.

    • Giuseppe Antonio Nanna
      Giuseppe Antonio Nanna 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @patprop74 actually I sent a small donation as soon as I watched this video and I'm planning to do the same after each episode of this series.
      Because companies do not publish useful benchmarks anymore we need independent testers in order to make informed purchase decisions and award the companies who actually do valuable r&d.
      We have benchmarks for PC, cars, phones, audio equipment, even vacuum cleaners but not for hotends. Without them we are at the mercy of marketing and this is unacceptable.

    • patprop74
      patprop74 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Have an idea of the cost involved in such testing, hope you consider supporting the task at hand. supporting is not just for onlyfans girls lmaooo

  • XeroShifter
    XeroShifter 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +115

    Very excited for this to continue. This could end up being one of the most important series of tests/videos in 3d printing. It serves at least 3 purposes. 1 it could help people tune their existing hot ends. 2 it could help people select what hot ends to buy, and 3 it could serve as a huge source of information for future development of hot ends attempting to improve maximum printing speed.

    • Matt Smith
      Matt Smith หลายเดือนก่อน

      100% this is a huge deal. Thank you for advancing the art of 3D printing!

    • Marcus in 3D
      Marcus in 3D 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Yes, I've never waited more for the next episode of any series!

  • Antoine Letarte
    Antoine Letarte 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +51

    5 years ago I introduced 3d printing to MirageC and now THIS!!!! I'm very proud of what your accomplishing and keep up the work, you are well pushing the boundaries of 3d printing!

    • MirageC
      MirageC  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @james kaye Of course not! I was much worse back then!

    • james kaye
      james kaye 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Was he as much of a narcissist then?

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      This is so true!!! It's all your fault that I am now stuck in this rabbit hole! Lol! Thanks man!

  • Mikkel Schmidt
    Mikkel Schmidt 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I have been waiting for this! I cannot emphasize this enough, this is AMAZING. The amount of work here is crazy, i can't wait for the rest! I'm sure i speak for many in the community when i say: BIG thank you for all your continued contributions! Awesome work, will be very useful for all of us going forward!

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you Mikkel! It means a lot to me coming from you! See you around :)

  • Vlad
    Vlad 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    So much work has gone into this! Love the outcome! Was worth this! Crazy amount of data and detail! Hats off! 🤠

  • Malvix
    Malvix 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Excited for this series! Would love to see how a CHT nozzle changes the flow potential for hotends that could take it, to see how much could be pushed without an entire upgrade

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Yes, once I have a few hot end tested, I will do one episode on the CHT's impact on those already tested hotends.

  • Gábor Tóth
    Gábor Tóth 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Finally, I was looking forward to someone to do such a standardised and detailed comparison for the hotends. My compliments. Please allow me to point out, that every filament type has it's own rheological behaviour characterised with the melt flow rate (MFR) or also called melt flow index (MFI), which is a standardized industrial method to test the flow capabilities of the plastic. As I have done a flow comparison between filaments myself with the Flowtesttool from CNCKitchen Stefan (and being in the plastic processing business for all my life) I know, that the MFR is one major influencing factor for the flow capabilities of the hotend. My advice is, that during the olympics it is important that you use the same filament, even the same batch if possible, as the MFI is changing between plastic batches as well. Otherwise the test results will be not comparable. Can you please indicate the actual MFR of the plastics you used for the test, just out of curiosity? PLA filament MFR values we can buy are ranging from ~5 to 15 g/10min. The difference in flow between MFI 5 vs. 14 on a Prusa Mini hotend with 0,4 nozzle is 11mm3/s vs. 22mm3/s when they reach 10% underextrusion.

    • Gábor Tóth
      Gábor Tóth 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @Olivier Vincent Yes, I think I understand now. Basically you want to copy the industrial MFR measuring method and use it to determine the real MFR of the filament. What I ment is only to compare the two batches of filament by looking at the curves which are already implemented by MirageC. If the curve is significantly different from the perivous one without changing the process settings (in this case the temperature), then you know that the filament has a different MFR - and can even know if lower or higher - and therefore the result of the hotend comparison will be not accurate. It's not for a quantitative analysis, only qualitative.

    • Olivier Vincent
      Olivier Vincent 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Gábor Tóth yes that is correct what you are saying, but you have to do this comparison in the mm³/sec region where you are sure that the fillament that is leaving the nozzle is exactly at the set temperature. If your flow gets.to high the plastic will be melted,.yes, but not stable at the extruding temperaturemaybe 4 degrees lower or more... Or less.... You will only know if you could measure at the exit.of the nozzle... . For example take a super volcano and extrude at 10mm³Sec. Don't do that with a v6 since you are already in the rising curve/ limit of the heating element

    • Gábor Tóth
      Gábor Tóth 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @MirageC This is why your series will be a big help not only for every user, but in my oppinion the 3d printing industry as well. There is no standard test procedure for hotend flow yet. You said in the video very correctly, that the print speed is now limited not because of the movement, but the plastic flow. So the industry desperately needs a standard method to compare the performace in an equal way, and so the game rules are becoming equal as well.

    • Gábor Tóth
      Gábor Tóth 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Olivier Vincent I cannot interpret fully what you mean, but the last sentence: "Then the only difference in pressure is because of the MFi of the plastic" tells me, that we are talking about the same thing here. We used this method with actual extruders producing medical tubes. If the extruder pressure rised or lowered without changing any of the process settings, it was an indication that we have to rise or lower the barrel temperatures accordingly to compensate for the change in MFR. Especially during charge changes. So the idea is to do the same on the 3D printer hotend. If you change nothing in the test settings, and run the test again, but a different spool of the same filament type and the force applied to the filament (extruder pressure) changes, you know, that the MFR changed and the flow test is not any more apple to apple comparison.

    • Olivier Vincent
      Olivier Vincent 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Gábor Tóth well problem with this is that depending on the flow your filament is not equally warm. With the melt flow meter you wait 2min before you extrude so temp is all the same. If you extrude at let's say 10 % capacity of your biggest hotend and you then measure the pressure then I would say that the filament ists temperature is equal. Then the only difference in pressure is because of the MFi of the plastic

  • Justin Moritz
    Justin Moritz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I thought your analysis of the cross section was really interesting! Very good idea to easily examine the elastic deformation of the filament post extrusion.

  • CircsC
    CircsC 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I'm very excited to see you doing a video series like this. You're the kind of thorough the community needs.

  • Solipsfilm *
    Solipsfilm * 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Wow, this must've taken a crazy amount of work! Super interesting, I'm curious to see future results and tests 👌🏻

  • Zez0
    Zez0 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Excellent content! Would be nice to include the humble cr10 too, with so many Enders out there it would help many people know exactly how much performance they'll gain for each of those upgrades

  • Vlad L
    Vlad L 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    This video is amazing in its quality of engineering thought! Such a great value for 3d printing community. And great example of how to organize engineering research process and glimpse into what physics is about - learned a lot from this video! I’ll be rewatching this time over time. Great job MirageC!

  • GoldenJaguar3D
    GoldenJaguar3D 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I’m looking forward to see the result of all these hotends, great job thus far

  • Gabriel Amaral
    Gabriel Amaral 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm looking forward to seeing the next episodes! Your projects and videos are amazing! Thank you for your contribution to the 3D community!

  • Olivier Vincent
    Olivier Vincent 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Amazing what You are doing, you are just answering all my questions i have with high speed printing, making a vez3d clone and im struggeling with the heated end. I donated some money for doing awesome science, thanks for your time and keep doing great work!

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you very much for your support! This means a lot to me and its helping me big time!

  • Dave the Taswegian
    Dave the Taswegian 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great stuff, looking forward to seeing the results. I think this could be a valuable resource even for those not chasing ultimate performance. For that reason it would be nice to see some other more modest hot ends included. For example, the Revo would be something I would like to see run through these tests, although I know it wouldn't be near the top of the leader board.

  • Ben climo
    Ben climo 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hey, absolutely brilliant video! I can't wait until new episode release, can't come soon enough! Brilliant presentation and I can understand it pretty well as I'm not an engineer. So many different data points your using and that's incredible for finding out different hotends for our needs, the amount of time and effort this requires must be pretty intense.
    Just wondering what schedule are you going to be releasing these videos? Once a week, month, day etc? I suspect you've done the vast majority of the data collection now and it's just the presentation to do now?

  • Proper Printing
    Proper Printing 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Awesome! I'm looking forward to the rest! I mainly focused on the extruder, but the hotend is at least just as important, nice setup!

  • Griffin
    Griffin 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I would love to see a klipper feature which uses a rotary encoder for some kind of active flow compensation.
    I guess the hot end could be characterized, but it would be really tedious to do that at every temperature with every filament and flow rate.

    • aharkey1077
      aharkey1077 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Condorman you are right, for some reason I swore the BTT runout sensor was JUST a runout sensor with no way to detect a jam but it appears it does. Neat guess I’ll buy one of those instead lol.

    • Condorman
      Condorman 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @aharkey1077 You mean the BTT filament sensor?

    • aharkey1077
      aharkey1077 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I plan on doing an encoder to detect runout and jams as that seems like low hanging fruit, closed loop control, while interesting, is a completely different can of worms.

    • Griffin
      Griffin 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @aharkey1077 it could do both. Maybe even detect potential nozzle jams before they happen.

    • aharkey1077
      aharkey1077 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'd be more interested in a filament runout sensor that could also detect jams with an encoder

  • CHANGER
    CHANGER 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What an amazing series. I loved every second of it. You're going the extra mile in every aspect and we (the community) can't thank you enough for your hard work.

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad you enjoy it!

  • YouMakeTech
    YouMakeTech 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome video! Looking forward to see your complete test results. After this, you need to design the ultimate hotend!

  • The Technic Guy
    The Technic Guy 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    actually so excited for this series, nice to have some really care and approach it in a standardized scientific manner

  • TheAnoniemo
    TheAnoniemo 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is gonna be AWESOME! Best of luck and I'm looking forward to the results!

  • Arlo Maguire
    Arlo Maguire 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    wish i had talked to you before, ive been working on an extremely similar design/testing for over 2 months now (although very slowly due to time limits). Great work!

    • Arlo Maguire
      Arlo Maguire 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @R M yes, ive been using a load cell for some parts of this, as well as an lgx which makes skipping harder.

    • R M
      R M 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Actually - measuring the force needed to push the filament into the hotend is one of the objective which is really reflecting what is going on into the melting zone.
      Most of the studies available here on TH-cam uses wrong approach of the skipping extruder (which can be a result of million things but the processes ongoing inside the hotend).

  • eddietheengineer
    eddietheengineer 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is fantastic! I can’t wait to see the rest of the series

  • William P.-B.
    William P.-B. 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great work! I got tears of joy seeing this pragmatic approach. It's beautiful! Will you be testing all in ones like the BIQU H2S?

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I will start with what I have under my hand and see where that leads me... hopefully I don't grow too old before finishing this lol!

  • Slice Engineering
    Slice Engineering 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks for setting up this huge test! We're excited to see the upcoming episodes!

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Big thanks to you for the patience and level of trust!

  • Eric Lotze
    Eric Lotze 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Absolutely Amazing Project. I think this kind of data like the "Filaween" Series by
    Thomas Sanladerer, or all the testing done by CNC Kitchen, or the "#SpeedBoatRace" "Speed Benchies"; even just all the amazing calibration/diagnostic prints people have designed and posted online are seriously what push the movement forward. Seriously Amazing Work, This is Pushing Your Channel to Another Level, and no need to rush things, This Will Be Well Worth The Wait !

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you!

  • Dirk Miller
    Dirk Miller หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is the most important 3D printing series in a long time. Thank you for doing the legwork!

    • MirageC
      MirageC  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad you like it!

  • Kristian Keller
    Kristian Keller 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love this! I'm dreaming about building a Voron 0.1 taking inspiration from you, Vez and 247. I'm leaning towards a Mosquito Magnum using CHT nozzles, but nothing is set in stone, and this series of videos will be invaluable.

    • morbus
      morbus 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      V0 is an awesome machine! I would suggest a dragon UHF. Proivdes more flow and abrasive resistance at a cheaper price.

  • Knut Frockenstöter
    Knut Frockenstöter หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow. I cannot wait to see future episodes! Your findings are astonishing, seeing how close the 15.1 mm3/sec you measured is to the 14.1 mm3/sec that E3D rates the V6's maximum melt rate at...

  • John Degenstein
    John Degenstein 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Subscribed after the intro to the series! Amazing work so far and can't wait to see the results. What is the thermal conductivity of each material, and what is the enthalpy of fusion? I think these will be relevant to understanding the results.

    • John Degenstein
      John Degenstein 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @MirageC ok sent!

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @John Degenstein Of course! you can find my email address in the "about" section of my YT channel page. I don't want to type it directly in here as last time it triggered such a wave of spam emails lol!

    • John Degenstein
      John Degenstein 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @MirageC I developed a heat transfer model for PLA melting in a nozzle in MS Excel for heat transfer. The numbers match up surprisingly well! Do you have any interest in seeing it?

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      As I dont have reliable mean of measuring material properties "YET" ;) I am using the same material for all hotends. But I am super eager to start defining filaments with repeatable and precise numbers :)

  • Guilherme Torelly
    Guilherme Torelly 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow, your work is amazing! This analysis is more complex, complete and well explained than many scientific articles. Thanks for such a great job. The relationship between temperature, flow and pressure is really complex, but your analysis explains it very well

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wow, thank you!

  • Abyss
    Abyss 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A very professional movie and it's a pleasure to watch, lots of graphics effects added and explained very well. You do things right got a lot your experience and you put a lot of work into making this movie, thanks for it.

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you very much, glad you liked it.

  • Ryan - V1 Engineering Inc
    Ryan - V1 Engineering Inc 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So much data!!!! Thank you, I love it. Very excited to see the trends that start to form.

  • danobot
    danobot 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is great work. Love the insane attention to detail, data capture, visualisation, analysis and explanation. Really great work man. Subscribed!!

  • Cim Johansson
    Cim Johansson 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    THIS, is the kind of videos im looking for when planning out my build. very well done.

  • GrossGeneralization
    GrossGeneralization 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice work! One idea that might help: you could extrude onto a rotating drum to simulate the pressure profile during printing. That would allow you to measure the pressure and flow with the partial obstruction of a print surface beneath the nozzle.

    • GrossGeneralization
      GrossGeneralization 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @MirageC That makes sense - the data you are getting looks consistent enough to be pretty compelling anyway. Keep up the good work!

    • MirageC
      MirageC  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah, i thought of that, but getting the drum perfectly centered, level and heated is making it a bit too complex for the resources I currently have in my possession. This being said, I did find a way to measure pressur in an effective manner during printing. Working on the video now ;)

  • Vez3D
    Vez3D 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Incredible video man !! You da best !! Thanks for doing this for the community. I know how much time and work you have put in this one... It is very well done and documented and very professional, bringing science in. Hats off to you my brother. You deserve a big bottle of rum!! Everyone should be buying you a paypal beer :)

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you man! Thanks for all the motivation talks you gave me while I was down under with unsorted raw data output. You gave me the courage to finish this one! Now that the train has left the station, it should be a bit easier to produce the other episodes.

  • userblame
    userblame 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    holy crap. I LOVE the amount of detail youre putting into these tests. This is MORE than a 3d printing channel.

  • R0μ
    R0μ 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    wow, what a task. I really appreciate your work and wait anxious for the next episode!

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks a lot!

  • Christoph Niklas
    Christoph Niklas 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Amazing!!! Im just working on exactly the same Topic, but i cant check the pressure on the filament. Really helpful, thank you!!!

  • greasyfingers
    greasyfingers 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just subscribed for fallow on test. I appreciate your OCD level for attention to detail. I'm a toolmaker with access to a large array of tools and machines. I found this video while doing research in designing and building a high flow, extremely light weight hotend using unusual materials. I'm extremely interested is seeing the weak points in various systems. Thank you for your work.

  • Paweł Kucmus
    Paweł Kucmus 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is going to be very important to EVA users and I'd love to share the the results in EVA docs somehow. Thanks this had to be a ton of work!

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Of course my friend, we can have a chat about how to do this. Glad you like it. And yes... it is a lot of work! But I am having a blast. :) Talk to you soon.

  • justintime
    justintime 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Speed has got crazy on these machines but I have 2 concerns: integrity/strength of the part and increased wear on the machine and what the increased ownership cost would be but its exciting to see how far this tech has come.

    • MirageC
      MirageC  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You are totally right. Printing faster needs to be matched with extra care to the print temperature and to the cooling mode. Once we figure out the maximum speed at which no quality loss is observed, we should focus on the difference in layer adhesion between this maximum value and slower speeds.

  • flamepygmy
    flamepygmy 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amazing stuff. Can't wait for the other episodes.

  • Víctor Martínez
    Víctor Martínez 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    great to see some proper study behind this. now I know for sure 220 is the sweet spot for PLA and that PETG prints faster, things I had observed but wasn't completely sure. Cant wait for the next videos!

  • Nathan Builds Robots
    Nathan Builds Robots 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    16:46 Have though about this before, the unmelted core is real. Larger nozzle size is mostly just a way to let a larger semi-solid core pass through the middle, so its not the best way to increase flow rates for effective printing.

  • amoose136
    amoose136 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like the methodology of this and appreciate the empiricism. Looking forward to the next in the series.

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for teaching me a new word! love it! EMPIRICISM all the way!!

  • **
    ** 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent format, looking forward to additional episodes.

  • Jon
    Jon 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Look forward to the rest of the series, nice work :)

  • Rick Rands
    Rick Rands 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Crazy excited. Love most of your methodology, I'd be interested to see differences with wattage changes in heater cartridges.

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wattage will mainly affect heat up time and will allow crazy cooling solutions. Given we are not exceeding thermal output capacity of a low power heater and that both units have been properly PID tuned, there would be no extrusion flow gain from installing a more powerful heater.

  • Billy Westendorf
    Billy Westendorf 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very nice! This is just the kind of data I am interested in. Another thing that I think would be good to do is to test the melt flow index for different brands and different materials. It would be interesting and helpful to know how a high melt flow index affects the printing speed. My theory is that you can upgrade to the biggest and best extruder, but if you are trying to force a low melt flow index material, the material is going to become the bottleneck. I work at a plastics company and I am very familiar with how much the melt flow index matters.

    • Billy Westendorf
      Billy Westendorf 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Maybe a good TH-cam video on the subject will give them a hint! I have seen a few filaments advertise the melt flow index but mostly that spec is not available. The highest advertized I have found was 12 melt. Most of them range from around 1 - 8 melt. But I don't know how realistic it is without testing it. I think somewhere around a 20 melt would be interesting to see what happens.

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Totally agree with you! I cannot wait to see some Filament manufacturers to embark the 3dprinting speed wagon!

  • Kilian Gosewisch
    Kilian Gosewisch 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm also very excited to see where this is going. I'm not really interested in the "physical" part because my hotend is stationary on my quantum delta printer.
    I am really curious which hotend you will find the best with the shortest meltzone. My current hotend is rapido with a supervolcano nozzle which sticks out at the bottom. The bottom part is covered with a chc pro heater and a 0.5 cht nozzle. The ridiculously long meltzone probably is the cause for my relatively poor pressure advance calibration. But this is just a guess and we all are always looking for an upgrade :P

  • Mark Pronk
    Mark Pronk 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amazing work @miragec i love it!
    Keep up the good work! This goes so much further then speedy benchy printing video's.
    Stuffs becoming a science this way.
    Merveilleux!!!

    • MirageC
      MirageC  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Mark Pronk much appreciated ! Working hard on the next épisode.

    • Mark Pronk
      Mark Pronk 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Donated 35 cad since this is really good stuff going on.

  • Psych0h3ad - P3D -
    Psych0h3ad - P3D - 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can’t wait to see the full series!!

  • Chris Simpson
    Chris Simpson 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love this idea, for science sake you probably should have used a new V6. I can understand why that might not be an option due to cost.

  • Zeke
    Zeke 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is incredible! I noticed you had CHT Nozzles. Are those results coming in the future?

  • Julian HG
    Julian HG 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Very cool. I’ve been looking for help setting up flow rates for my mosquito magnum, can’t wait for that! Cheers

  • Karlosss
    Karlosss 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love IT! This could be the definitive quide on which hotend to buy for a particular use for quite some time.

  • Adam Klosterman
    Adam Klosterman 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    May I suggest the haldis k1 hf, round ceramic heater. I have just started playing around with one of these. It's very impressive. One piece nozzle,heartbreak,heatsink similar to the Revo but superior mechanical design .

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Will look into it! thanks for the hint

  • Rudy Lenglet
    Rudy Lenglet 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Enfin un test où l'on peut voir les limites acceptables! Bravo ça a du être un sacré boulot! Je me suis senti bête quand tu as parlé de moment...j'aurai dû écouter en cours de Méca.

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Merci Rudy! 😀

  • Greg Vannetelbosch
    Greg Vannetelbosch 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Simply… thank you 🙏 for this amazing job 😍

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad you like it!

  • harry loud
    harry loud 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video, we need more proper science in the comunity.
    Btw, you dont want to use moment (nm) as your measurment as this presumes the force comes from gravity.
    You instead want to use moment of inertia (kg*m^2) = mass * distance squared. This is what determines how much rotational force (and this vibration) your printhead will cause under acceleration.

    • Zero Tool High Efficiency Hot End By Swiss3Dc
      Zero Tool High Efficiency Hot End By Swiss3Dc 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @harry loud What length of melt-zone would you use?
      The nozzle length only, or the nozzle and the section that is screwed into the heat block or event the heat block itself being a path for the melting zone?
      As nowadays, to increase flow capacity, for similar nozzles, the heat break tube is also a pre-heating melting zone, depending on its material employed, very variable from manufacturers and can increase highly that characteristic. It could be interesting to evaluate it.
      An example would be E3D V6, nozzle length is 12.5mm, heat break tube into the heat block, between 4 and 5mm, that would bring the melting zone to 12.5+4mm = 16.5mm? compare to an MK8, where the Bowden tube goes against the 13mm long nozzle, that would be its only melting-zone.

    • harry loud
      harry loud 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @MirageC Mabye length of meltzone is a good metric?

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @harry loud Well, we need a certain balance between mass and flow capacity. If mass was the only criteria, we could get a super light hotend with barely no flow to score high on the chart. Anyways, I am sure that looking at the numbers as we go, something is going to pop out loud and clear in termes of what makes a good hotend VS a bad one for speed/quality printing.

    • harry loud
      harry loud 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @MirageC Even still, mass is the more important metric as this is primarily a linear system

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for the tip!

  • Sunshine
    Sunshine 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dude, that level of data gather and analize. You get yourself a subscriber!

  • BH4x0r
    BH4x0r 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would like you to also test the Dragon HF with the Mellow Crazy Volcano block (Dragon HF HF/UHF), i wonder how it stacks up to the rapido etc that way

  • Анатолий Чуйко
    Анатолий Чуйко 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great job)) looking forward to next parts

  • daniel feil
    daniel feil 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great test! Excited to see the next one

  • ADHD Engineering Madness
    ADHD Engineering Madness 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Loving it bro :). Glad you’ve spent the time getting it right !!

  • R M
    R M 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One more thing is important to know about the hotend: how much filament can be extruded very fast.
    I'm pretty sure that any hotend can extrude almost all the melted filament which is already well melted inside the nozzle.
    So it is almost the volume of the nozzle internals. You can reach let's sat 100 mm3/s for 100 millisecond or so with no problem (the only thing is needed is to slowdown afterwards to let all the cold filament to reach desired temperature inside the nozzle)

  • HansWurstusBrachialus
    HansWurstusBrachialus 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    nicely done.. we all need more content from you :)

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks! much appreciated! :)

  • Matt Schurman
    Matt Schurman 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Have you considered the effects of the different thermal conductivity of the plastics used? Obviously it will vary due to formulation but I believe PLA has the lowest thermal conductivity, followed by PETG, and then ABS with the highest. I’m not sure to what extent this variation might account for the different pressure profiles you see in the data.

  • Ben Mochi
    Ben Mochi 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Would love to see how clones compare to the real deal in these tests. I'm sure there is some level of degradation of quality, but is it offet by being 1/5 the price?

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I am not planning to measure clones right now due to the simple fact that they should be within reasonable margins of the real deal and second, they are clones... ;)

  • Gábor Tóth
    Gábor Tóth 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Please allow me one correction for the part: swallen melt phenomenon. The swell of the melt after leaving the nozzle has two main reasons.
    Firstly it is connected with the flow speed distribution of the melt in the cross section of the nozzle path. Inside the nozzle the speed of the melt directly next to the nozzle wall is normally zero, so it sticks to it. In the middle of the cross section the melt speed is the highest. In between there is a bell-like shaped speed profile. When the melt is leaving the nozzle, this speed distribution of the melt becomes instantly flat (equal speed in the whole cross section), because there is no more nozzle wall to stick to. To this almost instant cross-speed change the melt reacts accordingly and forces the melt naturally to take a swallen form.
    The second reason: plastic is basically a bunch of entagled molecule chains / macromolecules / polymer chains (the lenght of the chain can reach few million links). Like a microscopical dense cotton wool ball. If the melt is being deformed in one direction (passing trough a small nozzle hole), the molecule chains are going to be unidirectional, they will be more or less parallel to each other instead of entangled equally in any direction. It requires energy to get to this parallel-form (squeezing the melt trough the small hole by the pushing force). When the melt is leaving the nozzle to free air, this squeezing force is gone and the macromolecules are going to get to their lowest-energy shape again, which is entangled (due to entropy). When this happens, the melt is changing the shape accordingly, it gets swallen. This is also called the memory effect, the plastic wants to get to it's original form again. This is partly the reason, why you have inner stress in your 3D printed part. And this is the reason, when the 3D printed part is heated up over a certain temperature, it is deforming. The filament wants to get back to it's original shape.
    And to couple this back to the MFR topic: when a melt is more viscous (more thick, equals low MFR), it requires more energy to push trough the small nozzle-hole, the speed profile is more sharp and you bring in more energy to make the polymer chains (more) parallel, it will swell more. With more flow speed even more. A high MFR plastic is behaving the opposite way, you will barely see any swell. By the way, the MFR is directly connected with the length of the polymer chains. Short, entangled chains can be reoriented more easily, long chains are harder to reorient.
    Cold core extrusion exists (the core of the melt does not reach the melting temperature), but I dont know if it has an influence on the swell. Probably yes, but this is not the main issue for this penomenon. In my oppinion, what you see when you cut the extrudate is probably the not uniformly crystallised plastic.

    • Gábor Tóth
      Gábor Tóth 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @MirageC Nothing to thank for, I am glad to be able to help to understand plastics better. I was looking for a link for a more detailed description and pictures, but did not found a good internet source for this topic. I only have my books as a reference, but all written in german.
      If it helps you with your hotend olympics even just a bit, I am happy, because your work is very important for the community and 3D printer industry.
      A little related to this, but rather off topic, which I want to add to this conversation because it bothers me a lot: there are a couple of myths about the filaments in the 3D printer community in regard of the physical/mechanical properties and choice of material. My advice to everyone is to read, try to understand and compare the datasheets of the filaments. Any information is there, free of charge, it takes just a little background learning, how to understand all the data. Many of the PETG and ABS fans would be surprised, how "low-level" material those are. My message is, that if a plastic is more expensive and is harder to print, does not necessarily mean, that it is better.

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oh wow ! Thank you, thank you and thank you! This is so much good information. My understanding of what is going on has evolved at light speed reading your comment. I thank you for taking the time in explaining this to me. I will try my best to integrate as much of this new knowledge in my next videos. Once again, thank you!!

  • Simon Krisztián
    Simon Krisztián 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Holy shit man. So much information, so much work behind all of this. I have a turtle Prusa, but this is still interesting(planning to build a faster printer at some point). Very well done.

  • Brian Valentas
    Brian Valentas 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've used 10 different hot ends, and I always go back to my Mosquito Magnum. Nothing gives me better performance, no jams, and best quality.

  • Stefan Guiton
    Stefan Guiton 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    excellent video! looking forward to the rest

  • Tomasz Szczepaniak
    Tomasz Szczepaniak หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cant wait untill next episode !!!! First time when im donating someone for this crazy job you had done

  • TH
    TH 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Science B*! I think this will make history and difference for whole 3d printing community and industry. Hopefully we will see even better hotneds at future after you have cracked down key factors of good hotends. Anyway I recommend that you will also test to cut one CHT extruder screw part and put it in to longed heat block with another CHT extruder. Or cut normal extruder and use it as pre heater with CHT.

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, definitely will be playing with a lots of different configurations ;)

  • Kalvinjj
    Kalvinjj 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    nice video! Great data for a future printer build for work (...can't afford another for myself or expensive upgrades...), but it's also funny to see how the results of the genuine V6 correlate so much with the results I'm getting on my Aliexpress clone V6. Frankly, that's quite an achievement for the cheapo part!
    Let's see the later videos to know what I might be getting if I ever end up going faster, heck even my own machine with a wide line width and taller layers can benefit from a good hotend anyway.

    • Kalvinjj
      Kalvinjj 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @MirageC One day... One day I'll have the money to just go with originals and not bother with hit or miss clones, probably gonna be with a Revo or such.
      I hope this day ain't taking long!

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I would not expect a V6 clone to be miles off from the real deal. The simplicity of this unit makes it difficult to miss. No special coating or complex machining. Unless you have material inclusion in the aluminum raw mat or very bad machining tolerances, the results should be extremely close yes.
      The difference between clone and real resides in the amount of support you want to give the original inventor who has put his heart and sweat at developing the best product for your needs.

  • Brian Wind Grøndahl
    Brian Wind Grøndahl 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    this is going to be the gold standard for hotend testing 👍👍👍👍👍💪

  • Petar Mustur
    Petar Mustur 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fantastic video, looking forward to the Olympics!!

  • Twoheadedpanthr
    Twoheadedpanthr 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hell yeah. I'm a sucker for comprehensive testing using a standard method.

  • Beef Ingot
    Beef Ingot 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is a weird request considering the fact it's designed for one printer, but if be curious to see the bambulab X1Cs hotend tested considering its a more user friendly focused fast boi printer.

  • Nathan Builds Robots
    Nathan Builds Robots 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow, great data. 3D printer scientist. What is the frame rate on the high speed video? That fan looks like its going to bust! Can you just rely on the hotend moving rapidly through the air to produce enough airflow/heat transfer?

    • Nathan Builds Robots
      Nathan Builds Robots 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @MirageC looking forward to your theory on heatsinking. I think you are on the right track!

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Printing PLA with opened enclosure on a large part could potentially generate enough air flow to avoid using fan. As a matter as a fact, I did it a few times using the Nova. The only problem I kept having was when preheating the printer and then tune stuff or work on it, then I would forget about not having fan and would systematically get clogs. This being said, I am now evaluating a theory about the heatsink playing a larger role than what we think.

  • Bo Pedersen
    Bo Pedersen 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    FANTASTIC series idea ABD firnat!
    I believe you have struck 3D printer TH-cam gold with this! On a side note, I don't believe the V6 like E3D is their flagship. Up until very recently, I believe it would have been the humera, but the V6 officially being the unofficial gold standard!! 😅
    As funny as that may sound, I actually rather mean it, because I don't believe any other print head m, since the reprap movement started, has been more heavily copied than the V6.
    However, I could very well be mistaken -
    Is there anybody in the know that could update this line of thinking with a better, more copied (and flat out ripped off if course🙄) hotend?
    Either way, as a fellow cannot, I salute you! I was only introduced to you a couple of years ago but always look forward to your next video.
    And as for flattery?
    I incorporate as many of your ideas as I can into my own builds! 😁
    ...Because, as they say, imitation is the most sincere form of flattery, correct?

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you for the kind words. I am glad my work can be of some help :)

  • Leonhard Wolf
    Leonhard Wolf 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The swelling that happens is also related to "die swell" which happens because the polymer chains get get stretched out in the hole and after contract again which makes the whole thing short and thicker.

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yup ;)

  • Tessie spotter
    Tessie spotter 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One thing I've always wondered is: Does die swell affect a line's ability to stick to the underlying layer? Die swell is the result of compression of a fluid through an orifice and subsequent expansion after it exits. Therefore, since the printhead is moving while extruding (sometimes very fast), is it likely that per a given point on an extruded line, the plastic does not have time to fully expand once out of the orifice before the nozzle has moved away from its position, resulting in it not being squished down onto the layer below?

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It is a question that gets affected by many parameters. For example, I could print a filament that has descent amount of flex using a big nozzle at higher than recommended temperature. The non melted core could be bent into shape while the external layer be super hot to guarantee good interlayer adhesion...

  • warmesuppe
    warmesuppe 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    CHC pro would be nice, I am building my ratrig vcore with it.
    Enormous video mirage!
    Thanks for all the work!

    • Giuseppe Antonio Nanna
      Giuseppe Antonio Nanna 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Same here. I'm building an hotend with a bimetallic titanium heatbreak, a chc pro heater and a cht nozzle (with the volcano adapter from mellow).
      I'm also planning to saw off the grooved mount from the heatsink and drill 4 mounting hole on the top like the dragon (to make it shorter).

  • Zero Tool High Efficiency Hot End By Swiss3Dc
    Zero Tool High Efficiency Hot End By Swiss3Dc 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Now a days there is such an amazing number of different shapes, style, designs, length of hot ends on the market, your Hot End Olympics is going to be relevant to many of us.
    THANKS taking all this time to brighten our lights with your tests.
    By the way, I would enjoy sending you another hot end generation, with tapered nozzle and zero tool heat set swap, not yet in your basket. DM possible? 🙂

    • Zero Tool High Efficiency Hot End By Swiss3Dc
      Zero Tool High Efficiency Hot End By Swiss3Dc 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @MirageC did you receive my mail?

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Oh! you got me curious! I just watched your videos. This is a very interesting little unit! My email is in the "about" section of this YT channel.

  • Jonas Pettersson
    Jonas Pettersson 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you very much for doing this for the community.

  • Galvo3D
    Galvo3D 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wonderful job! Could you please also test DyzEnd Pro Hotend?

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yup, I have one of those too.

  • Nic von Fancy Stuff
    Nic von Fancy Stuff 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for your time! Take a look at design of experiments, especially taguchi plans to save some runs:)

  • Matthew Lloyd
    Matthew Lloyd 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    this is great series as I am just looking at upgrading my hotend and extruder for faster printing

  • 94Discovery
    94Discovery 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The only thing that is melting is my brain 🧠, you got me on center of gravity,can’t wait for the next one ,i need to watch this again and again 👍👍

  • Marius Argesanu
    Marius Argesanu 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    it's mind blowing! Great job!

  • Antonio Luna
    Antonio Luna 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Publish this data. This is amazing work and deserves to be published.

  • marsgizmo
    marsgizmo 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    excellent video! 👏😎
    looking forward to your next discoveries!

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks for the encouragements man!

  • 247printing
    247printing 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    One of the best videos on 3D printing I’ve seen in a long time. No oink.

    • 247printing
      247printing 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @MirageC naaah, just a big fan here waiting for videos like this 🍻

    • MirageC
      MirageC  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you mate! This means a lot to me coming from you! :)

  • Sim Wil
    Sim Wil 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    the E3D revo would also be very interesting