Dunlop D606 review: best road-legal knobby dirt bikes?︱Cross Training Enduro
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- www.crosstraini... Our Dunlop D606 review! Is this road legal knobby any good for dirt bikes? You have an enduro motorbike but you ride on roads out to the tracks. Welcome to Cross Training Enduro. So you want a knobby that will behave on the road and not wear out too quickly. Need hard enduro training? Work through our video lists.Or maybe you have modified an enduro motorbike for dual sport riding. In either case, viewers have often asked me "Is the Dunlop D606 is a good choice for road and dirt riding?" Years ago? Yes. Nowadays? Hard enduro techniques are covered in our training vids. There could be better options out there? A quick bit of history. I used the Dunlop D606 knobbies for years. I used to ride on the roads with my XR400, KLX650 and TE610 for an hour on to the tracks. And later on I adapted a WR450F and a Husaberg FE570 as lightweight adventure motorbikes. In all these cases, the Dunlop D606 did work well, if I accepted the inevitable compromises. But today we have such a wide range of tyres that many riders will probably find better options than this Dunlop D606 review. And frankly the D606 front is probably worth avoiding. More on that later. Dunlop claims the D606 is for 10% road riding and 90% off-road riding. Into enduro and dirt bikes? Check out our dirt bike videos. We would put the balance as 20% and 80%. We always found the D606 worked quite well on road surfaces. As usual, we have read dozens of owner reports about the D606 and we found some riders claimed the front tyre has very poor grip for road riding but we never encountered that. Wet roads? No problems but then we never push hard on wet roads. Road noise is what you would expect - pretty loud. Extreme enduro training vids are our focus. High tyre pressure reduces the noise slightly, but you will want earplugs on the highway! Off-road performance? There are definitely compromises compared to an enduro knobby. The less aggressive tread pattern won't be so good in mud and soft sand. The rubber compound is very hard so there tends to be less grip in slippery terrain. The tyre carcass is quite stiff so you need to run very low air pressures to get a decent footprint on the ground. Anyone into hard enduro will hate it. But for everyday dirt riding you may find the compromises are okay given the D606 has good road manners. The Dunlop D606 front tyre is not good though. Our dirt riding tips are great for developing your hard enduro skills. If you want extreme enduro training see our playlists of enduro skills to learn. It can feel quite sketchy off-road. And it tends to wear unevenly with road riding. A lot of adventure riders choose the Pirelli MT21 front knobby instead.Longevity of the front D606? Usually you can expect to use one front tyre to every two rear tyres. But due to uneven wear you may find the front D606 only lasts about 50% longer than the rear. Try our training vids for working on your extreme enduro techniques. The only way to get more life is choose the Pirelli MT21, avoid aggressive road cornering, and use high air pressures when road riding. Possibly the best option for the front tyre is simply to run with your favourite off-road knobby. If you aren't cornering or braking agressively on bitumen then front knobbies don't wear out quickly - assuming you have a light enduro motorbike. What else? There's the Mitas E09, Continental TKC80, Kenda Big Block, Metzeler Karoo, and Kenda Trackmaster 2 for starters. And of course the Tusk Dsport in north America. Do you have other suggestions for road-legal knobbies? As the motorbike's weight climbs above 136kg (200lb) you can get uneven wear using aggressive front knobbies for road riding. And the flexing knobs can be quite scary with aggressive cornering or braking. Similar budget tyres to the Dunlop D606? We already mentioned the Pirelli MT21. In the USA there is the Tusk Dsport which is extremely similar to the D606 in all respects but almost half the price.You lucky bastards. All the reviews indicate it's on par with the Dunlop knobbies so it appears to be a bargain. If anyone had trouble with the Tusk Dsport let us know in the comments. I started this review by asking if the Dunlop D606 was still a good choice for dirt riders who will be riding on the road as well. In the old days? Sure. But nowadays there's a wider range of knobbies designed to handle the road as well. For example, the Motoz Tractionator Desert which is rated 85% off-road and 15% road.The tour operator said they get really good mileage despite a fair bit of highway riding, and good traction in soft sand and dirt too. The Michelin Desert Race tyres. Bloody expensive but the same tyres are used by the KTM team at Dakar.
#crosstrainingenduro #enduro #hardenduro #dunlopd606
A similar version appeared on our adventure channel last year. A lot of viewers are only subscribed to the one channel so we are doing enduro and adventure versions of some videos.... but spacing them well apart!
It's easy to get way too hung up on knobby choice instead of working on something way more important - your riding skills! See our very general guide to rubber here: th-cam.com/video/HJfyU6iTjA0/w-d-xo.html
TUSK DSPORT? We read dozens of opinions and think it's safe to say most riders find them very similar to D606 but just half the price. But it's interesting to see the wide range of conflicting opinions and rates of wear. Check out this thread: www.thumpertalk.com/forums/topic/1309638-tusk-dual-sport-tires-any-good/
MOST AGGRESSIVE BUT LONGER LASTING? Our choice would be the Motoz Tractionator Desert HT if the price is right in your country. We did a whole week of outback riding on these. Great offroad grip although the very hard rubber compound won't be great on very slippery stuff. They don't wear fast on the highway. Worth trying. motoz.com.au/product/tractionator-desert-ht/
I've used the Michelin Tracker for a few years now. Find them very good on and off road. Used for a couple of trans euro trips 1500 miles ish. And wear really well still using the one i put on in September 24 for my last trip and still worked well in Valleys Lite race in January.
Front tire for serious off-road riders: Michelin Enduro Medium (they have a Medium 2 now which is even better). Of course on road be careful but the grip off road of that front is unmatched. They also have a Michelin Enduro Hard for desert riding but I found that the grip is not the same. Like you said front does not wear fast in general so go Michelin Enduro Medium 2. It is arguably the best front tire for off-road (mud, sand, rocks...etc)
Yes the best tyre for me. It is also very stable on asphalt.
@@AlteredBaroni have to agree on that too. For me its a no brainer 76 euro and i trust my front 💯
I’m not a hardcore offroad rider but I’ve had pretty good success and confidence riding the Dunlop EN91 Geomax tires. Good longevity (I have to ride about 50 kilometres each way to trails) at over 3,000 kilometres and about 60% treadlife remaining. They’re pretty cheap (comparable to the D606), offer good traction in rock/gravel/dirt, and ride pretty comfortably at highway speed. The 140 size fits where a normal 120 rear would (odd sizing but it works).
605s are my compromise for my 300L. Cheap, wear well, and easy to mount.
Same here, 605 rear is excellent for the 300.
D606 rear and Pirelli scorpion rally front is the best combo I have found
+1. Great combo.
Right on brother my exact combo on my DR
Used to run D606 rear but have since moved to Parker DT rear for a bit more bite. Pirelli scorp is a great front tire.
They were horrible for mud and loose sand, but do ok for me on other terrain.
I originally had a D606 rear on my WR250R and it lasted around 5000km with highway and dirt use. I'm using Metzler MC360 mid/hard front and rear currently, getting good mileage for road/ dirt use as well.
My favorite on the plated XR650R was the Motoz extreme hybrid rear with the Mt21 front. Hooked up great everywhere. Also ran the 606’s and when brand new were great in the dirt but they’re so hard and stiff the traction only lasted a little while.
Over here in Greece I use dunlop D952 ,they are not available in every size(as Dunlop want to press you to buy the more expensive D606)
Review 952-noisy(ish) on road ,lasts well,fine on road but no 120km/h corners!
Great off road,stiff side wall,i deflate to 15psi and the one time i got a flat,rode 6km no problems.lots of riders have the same experience .
And the cost-240e a pair of D606
150E a pair of D952
Cheers skipper!
Just ordered another 606 rear tyre for the DRZ. Tried a few less aggressive offroad tyres, but the 606 is a good, honest off (and on!) road performer. Nothing is perfect, but they're pretty close 👍
I’m glad someone with the following is finally saying that the old 606 is outdated.
It gets monotonous seeing the MT 21 and 606 constantly recommended by old guys who have never bothered trying to run anything else. It’s not that good of a combo by modern standards, and it’s not like they’re cheap.
I've tried a few tyres now including mt21, d606, motoz enduro IT, motoz enduro 6, maxxis desert IT, pereli rallycross, shinko 525, over 36000kms on a crf450L with heaps of street riding to single track, fire roads, mud, sand, dirt, rocks etc, and to me the best compromise of on road/offroad grip and longevity is the motoz enduro IT, getting about 2500kms, good road manners and grip, a bit noisy but I haven't come across a better alround trye set up. Going to try the dunlop en91s next and see how they go
I always ended up going to the Perelli DOT trials tire (MT43). No need to ever re-cut knobs and it rode every off-road condition fairly well with the exception of deep mud. On the road it felt reasonably tame, but you do have to watch your aggressive cornering as it would break loose a little early because of the squarer profile.
The knock on the d-sport is the same as the d606, the front wears quickly. The rear, however, wears longer but has slightly less road manners than the 606 in my experience. As already posted, the Scorpion Rally front makes a great pairing with either the 606 or Tusk.
The d sport has such poor traction on the road, it really falls behind the 606. I can very easily engage the abs after switching to them. They’ll be off as soon as I can stomach wrestling them again as they’re extremely stiff.
My biggest 'secret' was to avoid using the front brake on tarmac whenever possible. Makes such a massive difference to tyre life that you can run the most aggressive one you can find and its not worth buggering about with dual sport tyres, unless you like to rail twisty roads at speed. If you're just commuting it will easily double the lifespan of the tyre
For the rear, the Pirelli MT43 - whilst not a knobby at all - is the best dual purpose tyre i've used. Not suitable at all for those who like to slide, but it's very quiet and well behaved on the road, and in anything other than sand or mud it has such utterly ridiculous levels of grip that it hands down flogs every other knobby on the market and retains the grip until the tread is completely gone. Key is to run it at no higher than 8psi (yes even on highway), any more and it will wear significantly faster
Kenda K760 Trakmaster 2 rear and Motoz Tractionator 90/100-21 Desert H/T front is still by far the best combo I've found. I prioritize dirt but i still do highway speeds when on the highway and i get about 3-3500km out of a pair. ( I tried the desert H/T rear as well but only got half the km out of it for not any better, at least that i could notice, off-road performance)
D606 on front and rear on my wr250r no problem, really deep tread compared to any other brands. Can ride like a super moto in the twisties and never had any issues in gravel or off road. Also pretty cheap. 👍
Your comments about the D606 front is right - that thing is sketchy when running at full chat on gravel, especially in turn in!
Lately I have used the Kenda Classic. They are cheap and are the old 4 x 5 knobby pattern. They are DOT and decent all around. The Tusk tires, I also have used them on my DR650.
Ive run a couple of those and like them okay. I like the Kenda Parker DT more though. Either > 606/tusk dsport.
D606 read + MT21 front. That's the goat.
Not for me, I ran the D606 rear and MT21 front for the 2023 season (2023 KTM350 EXCF), then the EN91 front and rear for the 2024 season in eastern Canada. I was riding once a week with about a 2 hour pavement ride at 90kph (55mph) with about a 3 hour singletrack ride in soft dirt, mud and every single root in the world.
For me the EN91's got about 95% of the longevity with noticably more grip, for about 75% of the cost. Remember, the D606 is ancient and progress is getting faster.
Right on brother my exact combo on my DR
Did you try a D952 on the rear
Going to try next these next
Ditto on MT21 front and D606 rear.
I have not I had good experience with the Tusk D sports. I haven't used them a ton but myself and a buddy have had unexpected washout crashes with those tires specifically. I still think the D606 rear MT21 front is as viable as ever. I run those on my DR650. I run the Trackmaster II's on my DRZ 400. Motoz options seem worthwhile. I remember the first time I tried a D606 rear it felt like the perfect blend of everything and, yes, aside from lots of mud.... but then you've got to have an off road knobby.
Both D606 and D-Sport on the front are sketchy.
DR 650 gets the D606 rear and the Motoz HT front 15 psi off road and 24 psi on road . The KTM 525 MXC gets DOT Kenda 80/100 Washougal 2 up front and a Kenda Parker DT on the back . Those tires are ridden off road at 11 psi here in Southern California / Arizona deserts. It’s all about getting through the sand !
Sounds like a pretty good setup you've got there....
Yeah the 606 wore weird on frt of my 650l no complaints at the rear dunlop952 up front also had some strange wear mostly because of aggressive street riding hard braking but dot options are limited. Currently running a Metzler up front and big Michelin in rear 😎
I currently have a rear 606 on my 640 Adv, it is okay. I have never used the 606 front tyre. I have used most different brands of knobbies over the years. Imo the Michelin Desert has been the best on my bike.
Ive tried one of the Tusk Waypoint rears on my 690, and with a fair bit of flattracking and hooliganism on dirt, and 70 mph cruising on road, Im still gonna get 4000 miles out of it. A record for me with a knobby. Cant even tell its a knobby on road, not much. Not the most aggressive tire obviously on dirt, but hey its a dualsport bike and gets ridden everywhere. Id buy another.
The Tusk copy of a 606 I tried on the front, is for sure worse on road than a 606, it wanders, it makes more noise, not confidence inspiring.
But is pretty good on dirt. 606 rears on my DR650, were slicks at 2000 miles, they just dont last long. And now they are Expensive!
motoz tractionator desert HT by far is the best bearly legal knobbie. Feels near the same as my on street legal tires on the trails.
MotOz Enduro S/T and I/T - 130/90 rear and the 90/100 front is my absolute favorite combination for a dirt-focused bike that's still just cheeky enough to be road legal with DOT approval. They don't last long off road and will wear even faster on pavement - especially rears on my T7, but that's mostly on me having being heavy on the throttle because I like angry parallel twin noises lmao - but I don't care what they cost or how long they last because they just work.
The RallZ front/rear is my favorite setup for a bike used as a true 50-50 'dual sport' that gives up a tiny bit of wet / sloppy dirt performance for a little more longevity and pavement manners.
My Motoz S/T 90/90-21 had too much float on the sand. It just wouldn’t hold a line. Otherwise the tire worked fine on most other terrain here in So Cal deserts. Sounds like it’s working for you on the T7 👍🏼
I've ran Motoz Tractionator Desert HT for years in the SoCal Desert. It does great in sand.
using 908rr and 606 on tenere. first OFFROAD tyres ever used besides 50-50 tyres.
i was amazed i could brake with the front!!! on dry highway with high pressure they are fine. hard braking is tricky though if needed.
might try front mt21 when my 606 ends. combined with 908rr
Yes. It’s the best road legal knobbie you can buy. I’ve had…idk maybe 10+ pairs on 5+ different bikes over the years? Once you get on D606 nothing else compares
Got close to 10000km on mine😂. Works well for soft sand trips with a fair abount of tar.
Grip gets much better with tubliss system. As said, front doesn't survive long at low pressure. They are horrible but I still run the rear. On my klx250s with my lack off motorcycle talent they are perfect.
Would go Motoz desert ht when I get a real motorcycle.
I always run Kenda Trakmaster DOT tires since they're much more dirt oriented than any other Knobbies I can find and they're fairly cheap
Trakmaster rear and MT21 front, thank me later lol
Right on brother my exact combo on my DR
d606 rear and motoz duel venture tractionator up front.Great combo for a 450 lb klr 650.
That sounds like a good set up
Mitas Stone King on the rear and a high quality front tyre.. the Stone King is a knobby that will take quite a bit of road riding.... so you can get a knobby performance on an enduro bike that does some road riding and not have it cost a fortune in rear tyres
Metzler 360 mid hard is a very good offroad tyre and they are road legal.
I have them on my 701.
Trakmaster rear and MT21 front is gospel. The trakmaster wears fast but is so so good in the dirt.
I ran 606 front and rear on my ktm 500. On road it worked fine. Never experienced the front wheel issues people complain about. It's wet where i live, never had any issues on wet pavement. Off road it was fine as long as the trails were relatively flowy and not too steep. When the terrain transitioned to "hard enduro", it became pretty useless.
Yeah, I agree... fine for most situations but the more extreme the riding, the less useful they become.
Dunlop D952 👍
I am riding KLX300. I Also chose the D606 / MT21. For small dual sports, they work well over varying terrains. If you know you will be in sand, a specific sand tire may be better. Or on pavement or in Mud ect. But the D606/MT21 do well over changing terrains, and they don't just melt on pavement. A dual sport bike is a compromise, the tire is too. Having said THAT- a Tusk Dsport or TCK80 may work better on a KLR or, DR650. Motoz Rallz may work great on a KTM 690, not so well on a KTM 990. Weight, HP, lug pattern, and wheel profile changes tires perceived performance from one bike to the next. For small dual sports, the D606/MT21 is a pretty good place to start over varying, changing terrains.
MT21 front is great BUT it scuffs up quickly if terrain is rocky /v hard
@@nickg2431 No doubt there are better specific tires for hard rocks, or sand, or mud, or loam, or street. But MT21 does well over chaining terrains.
Same combo on my heavy-ass wr250r. Super cautious around mud and loose sand. Otherwise, fairly confident.
It's easy to get way too hung up on knobby choice instead of working on something way more important - your riding skills! See our very general guide to rubber here: th-cam.com/video/HJfyU6iTjA0/w-d-xo.html
TUSK DSPORT? We read dozens of opinions and think it's safe to say most riders find them very similar to D606 but just half the price. But it's interesting to see the wide range of conflicting opinions and rates of wear. Check out this thread: www.thumpertalk.com/forums/topic/1309638-tusk-dual-sport-tires-any-good/
MOST AGGRESSIVE BUT LONGER LASTING? Our choice would be the Motoz Tractionator Desert HT if the price is right in your country. We did a whole week of outback riding on these. Great offroad grip although the very hard rubber compound won't be great on very slippery stuff. They don't wear fast on the highway. Worth trying. motoz.com.au/product/tractionator-desert-ht/
I'd love to see a test of the enduro mediums and the EN91
Kenda Trackmasters for the most offroad-capable of the DOT tires, a 90/10 for sure. Not sure how they would be for extended road/highway as I use them for connecting trails.
I had a rear Bridgestone BattleAx that lasted about 8000 miles highway
I hated the mt21 front personally. I prefer the IRC VE-35 Volcanduro if I'm not worried about longevity and the TKC80 for longer trips with occasional road riding.
I think I'll try the Motoz H/T. I currently have Michelin Enduro Medium but find myself doing too many miles with friends using trail bikes, and they don't last. Just want something with aggressive knobbies but longer lasting.
The holy grail... a long lasting knobby. It's not as aggressive as the D606 but I find the Motoz Rallz rear lasts forever on the DR650.
I want to try the enduro mediums next, the old MT21 + D606 are way worse than the new EN91 for my riding (50/50 on/off road on a KTM350 EXCF) but I always want more.
Motoz desert HT sux on wet tar, great off road but just too sketchy on wet black top. My go to for a DR650 is the D606 on the rear and Pirelli Scorpion Rally Race on the front.
Fun fact,
In Qld you can run any knobbie as long as it is the correct speed and load rating applicable to your bike.
'Not for highway use' etc stamped on the tyre means nothing in Qld.
The same as DOT approved.
Another fun fact, the Goldentyre GT280 sand paddle was DOT approved......even in 14" 😂
That's my understanding too. But it's weird that I have had mechanics doing RWC saying the knobby must be DOT approved. Misinformed? Or just trying to sell you new knobbies?
@crosstrainingenduro bit of both I reckon.
Mitas Terra Force EX MH Super Light Tires front and back on a Beta 390 rrs. Tires are loud on the road, but good in the trails, even when it's muddy. I go about 60mph on asphalt but I don't go above 50mph on concrete, the front tire wants to go everywhere on concrete.
Motoz tractionator rallz rear ✊
When will the new TKC 80’s hit the stores? Supposedly it’s getting updated.
Metzler MC360 mid/hard. Michelin Trackers is also a great tire for bikes up to 150kg.
Tracker rear is decent but front is poor IMHO
@@keithturner5769 I had Metzeler MC360 mid and hard, at last I use Michelin Tracker on my XT 600/153kg. Better Traction dry/wet, better Control (front wheel control is very well).
Certainly: Fast cornering with an MX front tyre is poor. But the control I have with the TRACKER is great.
My best for legal dirt are Michelin Trackers
Been using Mt21 Front and rear on My CRF 250L. for past 4 years (due to COVID did not get many miles out of it for a year) been very happy, when i bought them not sure what happened to Dunlop prices in Europe that year, but Rear D606 would cost me 160+EUR, and i bought a set of Front/Rear Mt21 for 155 EUR (running 130/80/18 in the back normal 90/90/21 front). currently most of my friends run Metzeler MC360, been thinking of switching to those as well just to try something new, in the same price range as MT21 at least where i live :)
That's a crazy price for the rear D606!
I can do 85 mph on a Dunlop rear and MT-21 front no problem on the highways (wr250r). They also handle hard-pack, rocky trails well. They are absolutely horrid in the mud and loose sand.
D606 rear and D Geomax 81F front works for me on an XR650L
The Karoo, TKC 80, and E-09 are not in the same category as the 606. Wonder how the Motoz Desert HT does in the wet/mud?
Tractionator desert h/t is the worst tire for wet conditions fyi. The S/T version is much more suited for wet conditions for those in wet areas.
With my KLX300 I'm shinko 216 on the front and d606 on the rear. Works well for my light bike.
Another good tire for the price is the AMS Bite. Harder compound than the track master and very predictable.
WR250r I like p21 front & trackmaster rear in NE Tennessee USA
Take a look at the EN91. Better offroad traction and cheaper.
Motoz Rallz ftw.
Kenda 270 Front
Motoz Rear
I'd say the Metzeler Karoo and the TKC 80 are much more road oriented. Would definitely not consider them an 80-20, more a 50-50.
Yeah 7000 Ks out of a 606 for me - only if the bike is on the trailer. Having said that this applies to most tyres on the rear.
😂👍
I can live with the 606 rear but the front is going to get you hurt. It randomly washes out
The front is definitely not confidence inspiring for a lot of riders.
Mitas Terra Force EF
A Dunlop 606 front tire stole my milk money in primary school. For that reason I run kenda.
The Tusk d sport chunks lugs badly. I gladly pay for the d606. When I get 6k out of it, it's still a bargain even at twice the price. I just can't find any shortcomings on this tire, why mess with perfection?
Is that riding in rocks? I keep thinking the Tusk sounds too good to be true at that price but it seems most riders love them... at least compared to the D606?
@crosstrainingenduro I'm not sure honestly, I've never owned it, I've just seen numerous pictures. Seems as they wear the lugs fall apart badly.
Bridgestone ax41 is a very good front all rounder that lasts and has good manners nearly everwhere.
Shinko 244?
Reviewed those on our adv channel
What makes a full knobby unroadworthy in Australia?
A lot of guys say the 'Not for highway use' makes them non-roadworthy. But that's for the USA's DOT standards and other guys say Aussie laws make no mention of what is and isn't okay for road.
ADR only requires that the tyre has a min 1.5 mm tread across the area that contacts the road. No DoT or not for highway use for Australia. You can run what you want.
It's weird because many Aussies have their tyres knocked back in RWCs for that reason... I figure there's either some obscure rule that nobody can find, or its an urban myth that half the RWC guys believe in.
Yer had 606 on the xr650r they were good but any more than 5% on road it will chop out front at 45 degrees nowday I have vstrom 800de with motoz ralz the front hasn't even looked like wearing its as strong as a supper single steer tyer off a kenworth c508 but the rear with aggressive 50 50 riding I'm not impressed at all maybe due to with 130 maybe better with 140 or 150 I just went with 130 to see handling off road on the rutted stuff on the big beast I don't think any tyer will last long on the big bike when flogging out the bush tracks
You should try the Bridgestone battlax adventucross ax 41.
Ive got one on the front of my 690 currently, it does work better offroad than it looks like it would. Im not so sure about banging it thru the rocks, as far as how tough the carcass might be. Its been fine so far and is great on road.
Michelin TRACKER! For my opinion best mix of different worlds.
On my XT600 since 2020. 60% Road. (noisy, longlife, cold & wet traction onroad really good for this kind of road legal MX tyres)
On my EXC 300 too since 2021. Not the same traction like an Supersoft blablabla, but I know. If I can't climb it up, 80% it's my fault. And this now 4 year old tyre I will use 2 years longer, I guess. (99,9% Offroad)
Disadvantage: Expensive.
4:18 136kg is 300lbs
Nah, it's only 299.8 not 300
D606 is trash, idk anyone who likes them.
Why's that? Definitely a compromise knobby so it does nothing particularly well. But for riders who want a reasonable compromise for road and dirt it seems to work for a lot of riders.
Why does this blasphemy continue
These tires are dangerous make sure you have plenty of health insurance before using these black round things
How are they dangerous though? Obviously they are a compromise tyre so they'll potentially be dangerous if you ride aggressively and expect great traction on or offroad....
@crosstrainingenduro even if you ride like a teetotallier it's when you have to ride aggressively to avoid a dangerous situation that they let you down