'MARTIN': Why the Spin-Off Failed
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- The cast of 'Martin' reunited in 2022 and a Young Martin prequel drama is in the works. Learn all about the Pam spin-off that almost happened on the latest episode of Atomic Abe's series Behind the Backdoor Pilot.
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Loved she ended up getting everybody hates chris. Such a revival to her career and well deserved
Wonder who else was up for that role
She shined! I think she made the show.
To tell you the truth Martin pretty much helped her with that
@@louisianabiggdogg1154 How , she was well know way before Martin
I love tichina
Tichina definitely had the potential to have her own show right after Martin, but the writing and directing just got corny after the lawsuit. But her time came with Everybody Hates Chris and many more after that.
AGREEEEE
Literally NO ONE could have played her role on Everybody Hates Chris. She owned that.
Both Tisha & Tichina had their revivals with Everybody hates Chris & My Wife & Kids.
@@TheMOVIEMANIAC13 facts !
TRUE THAT
Tommy’s laugh never gets old
It’s always hilarious hearing Tommy and Pam laughing behind the camera.
Martin will forever be a classic.
Facts I love ❤watching Martin
Right #1 ßest 🖤 sitcom of all time
Yes indeedy
Moesha also did a Backdoor pilot where Kim visits colleges with her mom, Nicky. They meet Professor Oglevee but he has a different name in that episode. Thus we get The Parkers
He was Ogletree in the pilot and Jenna Von Oy was also in THAT one. Which leaves me to wonder how many pilots that girl's been in during the 90s that we will never see?
@@OneLoveRSR Yea I thought it was Ogletree but too lazy to go back and edit it a second time lol. The student union was a different setting too I believe, unless that Moesha episode used a different set design all together because it was only for this one episode.
So back door to a back door ? Lol
You seem to know much about Backdoor stuff.
You mean Moesha… that’s how the Parkers got started
I will always have a special place in my heart for “Martin” I had the box set on DVD. They got me through the no cable/no wifi days!!!
That show is going to always most definitely forever be a classic I was born in the 80s all of the best of TV was in the 80s and the 90s it’s hard to believe how much TV has changed over the years I tell my children all the time how I feel sorry for them because they will never truly know what a great television broadcasting format looks like because there’s so much BS on TV now.
It reminds me of a different time.
Yes me too ✋️ ☺️
Only days...its 5 years! And it only got you through days not weeks or months SMH where you working
@@dro2real836 especially the 80s. The 80s dominates anything the 90s was offering: movies, music, TV shows
I mean in the eyes of some producers, " everybody hates chris " was pams gift for being such a great actor. Literally all the other characters couldve been shuffled around but that was pams show at the time. She blew up terry cruz and the actor who played chris.
That’s how my family likes to play it and she got her a scoop ball man that got two jobs at that lol rip tommy
She didn't blow up terry crews we all knew him from white chicks she blew up the boy who played Chris yes I agree but not Terry who was also a football player
@@mahailiabrown3972 -
True. What blew up was even though it was a situational comedy, there were believable characteristics within the adult characters.
@@thespadestable yes and I love her would love to see her on the screen more which is why I watch her on the neighborhood
Yesss very underrated actress
I still watch Martin just like it’s a brand new show.
I always felt that episode with Pam getting the job at the record company felt like a "different show" at the time. My favorite part was how adamant Pam was to not flex her own vocal skills to get ahead.
Tichina admitted that while she upset with the onset problems, she was happy with Tisha's absence because she was used more than ever..I like the episode with the look alike cousin..
The look-a-like "cousin" plot on TV shows never ever made sense to me.
@@AnansitheSpider8 Because it was nonsensical is why I enjoyed it...It was probably the first episode they wrote for Tichina to fill the void with the on set problems with Tisha and Martin.. so bad it’s good situations..
@@AnansitheSpider8 same I always wondered what that was all about? But I do find it entertaining and I love that episode
@Happy Thoughts She was in all of them. She wasn't on the set with him meaning they had to rewrite the scripts.
Tisha Campbell messed up that show trying to use her pull to act like she was the star of the show when Martin is the star of the show. Where was all this during the first 3 seasons? Martin's character was very openly affectionate in the scripts with Gina's character and nothing. Hey, if he did that, then she had to get away...I always found it ironic she actually married a guy named 'Martin' and that was her last name -- sick and twisted.
I'm Glad The Martin Reunion Special Is Going To Be On,IJust Know They're Going To Have A Tribute To The Late Tomas Mikal Ford=Tommy RIP 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
I'd like for them to make a reference that he couldn't make it because he's on a business trip for work.
He had the best laugh.
@@handsomeX Yeah,He Sure Did,HA HA HA HAAAA!!! LOL!!!! 😆😆😆😆🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂
😰Didn't know we lost him!
@@gregoryjones9546 I also remember him being a judge on an X Factor type show for stand-up comedians.
There was a Martin episode in which a lady ( I think it was Pam’s cousin) was signing at an open house. She was so good that Martin took her to a record company and she ended up getting a recording contract. The record company looks exactly like the setting in the back door pilot. It’s one of my favorite episodes. I think the singer was Nicki Gilbert from the group Brownstone.
It was Nicci Gilbert in that episode.
One of my fav episodes
"Bet chu by golly waaaaaa" that's how he was singing in 76😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The episode when Hustle Man came in there with the Kazoo taped to a saxophone 😂😂 Martin had the cousin practicing so much her voice went hoarse lol
@@juicymiss87 🎵 Pick up the pieces! Pick up the pieces! 🎵 😂😂.
I remember all of those episodes toward the end of the show featuring Pam. She could’ve definitely had a spin-off.
They could’ve given Pam a record deal!
Tichina Arnold who played Pam has a great singing voice. From Ms. Harper Stacey.
If they did go through with the spin off they should have added Tommy and ended the show with Pam and Tommy getting married and have appearances by Tisha and Carl.
Ikr i was thinking of that because they still have feelings for each other after they broke up for awhile
If they would of actually made it into a show I would of watched it I can imagine the guest appearances
Facts.
Not gonna work now because Tommy is dead
Martin's Halloween line with Tommy's laugh in the background 🤣🤣. Love this show, have every episode.
Tommy had the best laugh in the world. From Ms. Harper Stacey.
This show would have gotten 4 seasons on the wb or upn easy.
That’s what Im saying. This was a strong pilot. But Fox owned it because “Pam” the character is owned by Fox and the Martin tv show. Another network would have had to pay to buy the rights to the character, so she and that character were bound to Fox most likely.
Yeah, right. We saw what they thought of black sitcoms on the WB. Does The Parent "hood and Wayans Bros. ring a bell? All black sitcoms got tossed away by WB in 1999 for white sitcoms.
@@SuperN1ntendoChalmers it was the year 2000.The wb black sitcoms were better than upn. Remember all those shows ended after 4 seasons or better. And most of the people from those shows blew up after the shows ended. The Wayans, Steve Harvey, Cedric, Jamie foxx.
@@maineventmafia7181 JAll of the people you mentioned were famous long before they were on those shows. Martin ran its course, and I wish you people would just accept that. The WB cancelled most black shows and was aimed towards whites.
@@SuperN1ntendoChalmers 100% agree but fox did too
I love how Tichina always took the Swiss approach
That series finale made me so sad. Glad they worked it out. Favorite tv couple.
"Goin' For Mine" was actually a pretty damn good episode...it's unfortunate that the proposed "Martin" spin-off never materialized beyond that one episode, due to unfortunate (and unexplained) circumstances.
I honestly found the episode uninteresting. I only liked how fine Pam looked and seeing Jenna von Oÿ on TV again.
That episode _was_ very uninteresting, very clichéd and most importantly…not funny. It seemed like “Pam” was trying way too hard to be like Martin and it became very annoying to me.
@@LadyDuchess That whole last season is uninteresting. Pam was definitely trying to be Martin.
The episode sucked actually
I swear I didn't even remember this episode on rewatch years later. I see why. It wasn't funny at all.
They still want to work, so no one is going to publicly say why. But we all know that Fox wasn’t doing urban stuff anymore. By 1997 they were a solidly established network, and didn’t need our views any longer like that.
Absolutely right.
Anybody who grew up watching FOX in the 90's knows you're 1000% correct about that.
This!! 💯
Considering it was built off Married with Children, Cops, The Simpsons, In Living Color, Roc, Martin, Living Single, New York Undercover, X Files.. they had the late 80s early 90s, (a lot of us growing up recall this) then they got NFL/NFC games on fox, it was a wrap after that
Sad part is they openly admit to it. In a Magazine article about the abrupt change of direction. They said they alway's intended to become like NBC. And the Big 3 Network's were making fun of them because they had mostly "Urban" tv shows. (Long story short they used us to get their feet wet before they could swim in the deep end.)
Established off our backs
@@aceassn716 ty, fox had so many good shows in the early to mid 90s.👍
Then they got American Idol late 90s snd that was it 😂
I just love the fact that the reunion is finally coming back after 30 years of waiting. I wished they did it when Tommy was still with us but things happen for a reason. I just wished the girls went forward with their music careers.
They've been having reunions. They were just private get-togethers with cast, crew and loved ones. I met a fellow background extra who was allowed to attend. They let him get a plate of food and meet everyone 😁
I loved the episodes of one on one that she appeared in as Breanna’s mom she is a great actress with excellent comedic timing which is often overlooked about her.
I figured something was wrong in season 5 I always wondered why Gina was so absent in the later episodes it was hard to watch Martin always having an excuse for Gina being gone..
I wonder how he felt knowing that it ultimately was his fault?
And they sure made it work didn't they
At times you could see it on his face that he just exhausted from whatever was going in behind the scenes. I remember when his final look back at the apartment and he autographed his name on the wall, man for me that was heart wrenching to watch, it seems he did a lot of crying about it in some episodes his eyes were like poofy and I thought it was damn allergies. I never ever liked Dewayne Martin in anything, damn snake in the grass.
Funny , thing is I've never seen season 5 . Only 1-4 or I just don't remember.
@@TheRmjr she lied on him
Also fox was going away from urban content in 1997 and 1998
Good point
They love using us for advertising and ratings and when they get to where they want to be they dump us. The WB and UPN did the same thing
Can we actually call it what it was? Fox was a fledgling young network like most networks used primarily black content and shows to make themselves popular then abandoned those shows once they got the white audience. See UPN becoming CW and getting rid of all the black shows and keeping many of the white shows.
“Just say Black people” - Pops, The Wayans Bros.
@@darthonyx2382 100% The WB did the same thing. Axed all the Black content that put them on and started doing shit like Reba and Smallville
They didn't continue with the spin-off because Fox was getting ready to switch up their programming. Like the CW, they were steering away from urban programming.
UPN at the time could've picked up the show, given if they had the budget for it. Around the late 90's that channel was the most well known for urban sitcoms and shows.
@@TheyCallMeSledge They were already loaded with content so I don't think they would've been able to slide it into their lineup. Plus I think they would've had to buy the rights from Fox and they budget wasn't all that great.
Fun fact: Martin Lawrence never harassed Tisha Campbell. It was Tisha Campbell‘s husband that wanted to be on the show, Martin Lawrence wasn’t having it. Her husband made a ultimatum with her and made her leave the show but she was on contract only way you can get out is through filing a “claim”.
Meanwhile Duane Martin was all in these streets wilding out
How you find that out?
If I were Tisha, I would set my husband straight
@@cpvillacis It's was true , Tisha said that she was in abusive. I remember seeing her talk about it on tv before . She had risk her own career.
Her husband had an influence for sure, but Martin admitted to doing some of those things to Tisha, like trying to stick his tongue way down her throat.
@@frankwright1571 stop lying
There was a spinoff? I honestly feel they were going to "flanders" Pam. They were going to make her character over the top and be ridiculously loud and hyper.
Oh no question they were gonna make her the female Martin
Yeah. That's probably what they thought about, and said nope... that's no going to work long term.
That's exactly what they did.
Watch season 5 and how she acts.... she's taking on all of Martin's mannerisms.
they did that for kim Parker in the transition from moesha to the Parkers.. but it worked somehow 🤷🏿♂️🤔
I remember this episode I really liked it 😊
For a BDP it was pretty strong. It woulda done well as a show. But I guess everything happens for a reason cause in 2yrs we ended up getting Jenna as Stevie on The Parkers, which is one of my all time favorite sitcoms
I never knew about this.
Would of been interesting.
But Pam has had an AMAZING career❤️❤️
Yeah, Pam (Tichina Arnold) is still going strong. She does that show with Cedric The Entertainer, The Neighborhood.
Yea. She's been in movies since HS.
My first time ever seeing her was on a Cosby Show episode as Justine's friend..
I think alot of people knew already about this potential spin-off. But, Im not sure it would have worked in the long run, for a few reasons.
What would be the few reasons?
@@rahstara Being too derivative of Martin, for one?
@@rahstara It's not Martin and Pam character only work with the chemistry of Martin. Which means any male role would be a poormans attempt at being Martin on Pam's show.
@@andrebryant5081 that guy they cast as Tre was playing the same guy in every role back then too- no wonder it never happened
@@youknowwhoyouare2269 salli richardson husband
Love the way Gina and Pam dressed
I like that you focus on spin-offs! Thanks so much for creating and posting why certain spin-offs didn't happen or didn't work. I learn about behind-the-scenes things that I never knew about. Your posts are well put together and very interesting, to this 51-year-old! PLEASE keep them coming.
Thanks for watching and thanks for the positive feedback. There are more videos coming.
Duane Martin ruined something good here and tisha had to pay the price which she eventually came to her senses and left him and a spin-off with Pam could of worked for 2 seasons
Besides an extra check it's probably better she didn't get a season flop show.
Now it makes sense on why Pam basically had 2 episodes of her own during the final season…they were setting her up for a spinoff
@dwayne what did Duane do??
@@perrymehta6438 Duane convinced her to file the lawsuit, him and Martin didn't like each other, supposedly because Martin and ticha messed around before she married Duane, I think the show would have come to a end soon regardless though, the lawsuit just made them unable to give the show the ending it deserved
FACTS…that dude was lame
I’ve seen every Martin episode and I NEVER knew about this. Thanks for sharing
I heard it was all because Tisha Campbell's husband was jealous of Martin and Tisha's relationship on the show seemed so natural that people thought they were a real couple, so he started complaining about it.
I heard that they were actually having an affair and Tisha’s husband gave her an ultimatum.
@@MrBean617 Not true, they dated before she got married but it wasn’t serious
@@msnewsenior Her soon to be husband is what I should’ve said. She was with Duane Martin at the time.
Pam is doing her “thang!”
I hope the martin reunion special gets turned into a series
I use to be down for seeing things from the old come back. And then i made the fatal mistake of watching Coming To America 2. Hell no. Don't bring anything else back ever that's been gone for 20 plus years. The Martin cast would not be funny anymore. And this was my favorite show of all time.
@@TheStranger513 I feel ya on that shit because if they just picked up from 20 plus years ago and martin is still in that same apartment & still working for WZUP that'll be some bs but I hope it's good at least
Nah Tommy's dead and revivals hardly ever work. I say leave it alone. However, if they wanted to do a show with the Pam character, I bet that could still work
@@TheStranger513 bro I had to comeback & tell you that you were a 100% right just watched it and they turned it into a talk show type reunion special man what disappointment didn't expect that at all
@@solomac4067 Yeah I saw it too and I didn't love that set up. They could've done like the Fresh Prince or Family Matters Reunion and just reminisced among themselves without some host. It was great to see them together. But yeah rebooting the show is out of the question lol.
"Cosby's show" introduce "A Different World" when Denise went to Hillman College..
"All in the Family" introduced "Maude" which introduced Florida & James before "Good times"
I’m so glad I found this video I had no idea they had a spin-off for her. I do understand the stuff about Pam being in the music business
I would have loved to have seen this show, cause this is one of my fav episodes of Martin
How the heck am I just finding this amazing channel? I thought I knew a ton about 1980s and 1990s sitcoms, but turns out I don’t know tons!
Pam's spin off Going for Mine probably would've worked on UPN. Definitely not Fox.
"Goin' for Mine" was a backdoor pilot that I wished had gotten a series order. It was my favorite episode of Martin. Everything from the writing to the acting was stellar. The problem was that it aired on FOX. They "changed directions" (targeted white audiences) and got rid of their black programming, like most of the Big Four. I think this series would've done so well on UPN. It would've been up their alley and one of the network's better shows.
Agreed!
That's pretty much what happened.
U can’t be serious if that was ur FAV ever episode of Martin smdh .. that shit was so dry it didn’t even involve martin at all & none of his characters or humor or antics. Just alll Pam & a bunch of basic folk .. nobody would even mention this episode if there was a list of Top 25 Martin episodes, stop the nonsense 😂😂
@@bxny1511 worse Martin episode ever😂
Favorite episode???? Wow...
I thought this was a pretty strong episode for a Backdoor Pilot. I actually don’t skip this episode when rewatching Martin, even though s5 as a whole was not good. You could tell Martin was…off. This was when he was doing drugs, having some mental issues, and the tensions with Gina going on. The writing also took a hit. Ive seen some bad BP’s before. I wish this woulda been greenlit though. Dondre actually got another show on Fox called Between Brothers, with Kadeem Hardison that Fall. Wish that woulda went farther as well.
Damn I didnt know that about Living Single. That's messed up but now I know why it ended so abruptly.
Dude there are no real deals….they have all sold their soul to satan for fame and fortune….
Wait what? That's wack!
Yea that isnt true at all, Queen Latifah never said that, and Martin decided to leave after the lawsuit, Living Single got the ax due to Friends. Had nothing to do with the attendance of a meeting lol.
Living Single was canceled because it lost the ratings war to Friends. Martin was canceled because of Tisha Campbell's lawsuit which drained the ratings as well.
This was one of my favorite episodes I didn't know she could've had a show!
Some things are better left in the past. Martin is one of them. #timelessClassic
I remember when I bought this show on DVD 10+ years ago and watched every episode. I noticed that episode where they were setting Pam up for a spin off and always wanted to know why it didn’t work out
2:19 the way she whispered to us made me howl out loud and subscribe!! 🤣
Had no idea about the Pam-Martin spinoff Thank you
If she lied there's no way Martin should ever deal with her again.
Right!!!
That's why she lost her lawsuit
I didn’t even know that episode was supposed to be a spin off. Yea was not feeling it then. I loved seeing the original crew together.
They need to turn a Martin reboot into a cartoon series.
I would love to see that happen.
They did. It's called 'The Proud Family' 😆😆😆
Martin & Living Single line up were life back in the day😂❤
New York Undercover kinda had a backdoor episode within the same show. They introduced the characters joining the special task force led by Thomas Mikal Ford. It was basically like a completely different show with new characters added.
That wasn’t a back door. Just FOX adding white characters to get white viewers that failed miserably even tho I wasn’t totally against it.
Thomas mikal Ford didn't fit in on New York undercover. From Ms. Harper Stacey.
I loved this episode! This is also what put me on to that Stevie song If it’s magic.
That’s messed up how they dropped the series. It would have been dope af. She’s an amazing actress.
Pam is one fine chocolate🍫 sistah
Amen to that, she was packing more than Green Bay. She was throwing it at Tommy on the show like Brett Favre lol I know if I gotten with her back in the day. She can sack me like Reggie White but I would’ve ran in her backfield like Ahmad Green and then I would’ve caught that backside like Donald Driver lol
But we still don't know where Tommy lives! 🤔
Most people don't know that Tichina and Tisha sang together as teenagers in the 1980's Little Shop of Horrors
Tisha Campbell and tichina Arnold are life long friends. From Ms. Harper Stacey.
I think most people already know that by now 🤷🏿♂️
80's - 90's got some of the best sitcoms.
The Pam spin off would have been so good I wish they would have done it 😭
It seems as if Duane Martin was the common denominator in the Martin-Tisha feud. Once she left him, they became cool again.
He knew his wife was cheating she save face by saying Martin sexual harassed her instead of admitting guilt. No way a woman becomes cool with a man who doing too much years later.
He’s the common denominator in a lot of mess.
@@dcbabe21 It's so obvious now Martin and Tisha were more than working partners no way she cool with Martin if he was really sexual harassing her years ago.
Why I never seen these?! Pam would’ve been amazing!
This video is awesome. Great job
Thank you kindly.
This is awesome -- I've never seen a single minute of "Martin," huge as it was, so this was all new to me.
It was the best
You really should watch it it’s so good
Same with me and that show Friends. Nobody in my family ever watched it
The actor that played Trey was on the Cosby show as one of Vanessa's boyfriend.
Now that episode makes sense. I really like that episode and would've loved to see that on UPN back in the day.
Amazing how they kept it together during that hard time and kept it professional..I don’t think that Pam shoe would last long though
Please do the Jackee Harry spin-off from 227.
Jackee Harry is now appearing on the soap opera, Days of our lives. From Ms. Harper Stacey.
I never watched this episode. I think I had stopped watching Martin by this point. Dondre Whitfield is soooo fine! 😍😍😍
His WIFE is just 🤤
I wish this could’ve took off tichina arnold definitely has the talent but I love the supporting cast as well! Definitely would’ve loved to see more of this!
Did not know about this. That pilot looked like it had potential, Pam definitely had main character energy.
This sounds like the plot of half & half
Pam spin off reminds me of Queen Latifa role in Single Ladies with a Jamie in the Jamie Foxx show twist
Living Single, and yes it would have a Jamie Foxx twist but Pam wanted to work in the music industry not sing, Jamie wanted to sing.
That Pam spin-off was a great idea
I hope we get that reunion!
I hate that this happened to everyone on Martin. I understand that there will always be bad problems when it comes to jobs. What keeps me going is that it’s only temporary and I know God’s promise to me is that he will never allow me to go through anything I can’t bare. Plus this tests my strength in bad situations and how to handle them in a professional manner. Sometimes leaving is required and sometimes a lawsuit is required. Sometimes you can talk it out and the problems are gone. It’s never easy either way. I will always remember the good times about Martin because they kept me on the floor and always happy. Them and in living color. Thank you to the cast and to the staff behind the scenes. This show will never ever ever be replaced by no other no matter how hard they try. RIP Tommy.
A backdoor spin off? Never heard of that until now, but it makes sense for an established show to do that for a potential new show. It's cheaper. The network pays for the 'pilot' and fans are none the wiser. I wonder how many of these 'backdoor shows' snuck past me in my formative years. I remember how devastated I was when I found out celebrities didn't just drop by night time talk shows to visit the host. They were only there to promote a new show or movie. It was never as innocent and friendly as it seemed.
That’s literally how half of the shows out got there start. Notably Family Matters and The Jefferson’s were back door spin-offs
As well as The Game and Parkers,A Different World,Jeffersons, Simpsons
@@bennisford1712 what the Simpsons back door from?
@@atmceo.n4wf Tracy Ullman Show(late80s)... like a Jimmy Kimmel show
@@bennisford1712 I'll be checking that out, you taught me something
Martin was basically a minstrel show.
I remember the Married With Children back door pilot. It was so odd the way it focused on people outside of the Bundy house.
That episode was fire and I'm still waiting for the spin off. Fox missed a golden opportunity to keep the franchise going.
The show started to decline when martin and gina got married then tisha left. If martin was really sexually harassing her or anything abusive she wouldnt agree to a reunion. Why would you reunite with an abuser even if he apologized. I think her husband Duane Martin was jealous of his wifes succes and the chemistry she had with Martin
Maybe i'm wrong but i really think they were dating before and while they were both married. Maybe Martin couldn't accept the break up and got handsy with her or Maybe Tisha's husband found out so she had to say he was harassing her. Tisha looks just like his ex wife so she is definitely his type.
Martin and Tisha obviously had a sexual relationship and Tisha probably didn't want to admit guilt so she said Martin sexually harassed her. Because like you said it doesn't make sense they are cool years later once she get a divorce.
@@andrebryant5081 you’re ignoring the fact that they haven’t spoken to each other in year’s since the season finale of Martin & Martin was on probation for a while dealing his ex wife & children at that time Gina wasn’t lying or making anything up there’s a reason why Gina didn’t appear in half of season 5 she wanted nothing to do with Martin.
@@maxketchum4523 Because her ex husband had issues with Martin
@@maxketchum4523 yet Gina wanted a Martin "reboot" 🤔 something doesn't add up with her story
That Pam spin off would had been dope. It looked like it would had been a hit. I would supported it.
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I still need that Shenehne and Wanda movie!
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ALL the boys were crazy about Pam in school lol...
The same thing was about to happen a spin-off series about Sondra Clark (Jackee Harry) in 227.
Martin's door scene calling Pam! What's happening Clint Beast wood was funny😅.
Yea kinda knew this with the pam getting a job on the record label..as a spin off..it had that feel..
Listen to A Natural Man by Lou Rawls and laugh your ass off thinking of Tommy
Can't go to sleep without it lol
You know he played natural man all night lol so I kicked his natural ass out 😂
Good work👏🏾
OH, that guy who played TONY is SAL from the 1980's NIGHT OF THE DEMONS. Its before my time, but I love horror movies..and he was one of my favorite characters.
I just looked at this episode about 9 days ago with Pam and the new introduction to her spin-off that was brilliant I always felt like Pam should have been Gina Clyde was easL from Friday
It was a great pilot and could have worked. At least we almost got the same premise in the show Half and Half.
“If you wouldn’t have signed your paw print, we wouldn’t be in this mess!” 😂😂😂
RIght after that episode, I knew that was basically the pilot for Pam's show, and I was looking forward to it. Wish it woulda worked out
Mistake 1: Martin was 1 of the best sitcoms. No, it was the best sitcom!
Mistake 2: It failed because you don’t fix what’s not broken! #Classic
25+ years later this show is as funny and versatile as it gets! And it’s still relevant!
Spin offs don't try to to fix shows. They are just a different show in the same universe. There are a lot of successful spin offs.
For example Different Strokes was not broken but The Facts of Life was still a good show. So I disagree with your take.
I get what you’re saying but that’s not the point of spin-offs. They create spin-offs because they believe there’s a supporting character strong enough to carry their own show. Plus by the time they shot that episode, the show was already preparing for cancellation at that point anyway so we wouldn’t have had a Martin show during the 1997-98 run regardless, so it would’ve been perfect timing since we wouldn’t have to worry about having a Martin show with no Pam.
The real question is: was Little Shop of Horrors a backdoor pilot for Martin? 🤔
No, but House Party is))) That's where all the actors met each other, including Kid who wrote the theme song for Martin
Martin and Kid n Play knew each other from working at a Sears call center. They also worked with Salt n Pepa.
Tichina Arnold and Tisha Campbell knew each since childhood and met during auditions.
Wow, I had no idea! Thanks for sharing!
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No that was a separate thing that Tisha and tichina was singers on martin cast them from that cause they was going to do a little shop of horrors show. If you get the DVD of the first season martin explains where and why he got them from tommy the only person he knew personally cause they real life best friends
I still watch Martin. Great fun.
I always hated that episode with Pam getting her dream job. But then when I found out it was a low key pilot episode, it made perfect sense.
I get it, hindsight is 20/20...but I think the spinoff could have worked with some minor tweaks. Get rid of Trey and Tony, make Dante (Tyrese) a regular, and maybe add another female character. I'd keep the backdoor pilot exactly as is, and the first episode of the actual spinoff about the changes I mentioned.
FINALLY! Someone who knows that the phrase is spelled “could have” and not “could of.” I got so excited when I saw correct grammar that I just had to comment lol. Ok, carry on….
@@LadyDuchess Haha that's so annoying! Same with "supposably" instead of "supposedly".