Plane Retracts Gear Too Early

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  • @LancerWang
    @LancerWang 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1261

    As a former 787 driver, I can tell it is 100% normal by design. It's called "Early Door Function". As soon as the aircraft sensed the wheel had left the ground, it open the gear door automatically even before pilots move the gear lever. Then when the pilot select gear up, you save several seconds waiting time for the door to open before swing the gear into the wheel well. This function reduce the gear retracting time and improve climbing performance. 787s have other small interesting tricks like this one to save fuel and improve performance.

    • @lionelbernart-shenk8945
      @lionelbernart-shenk8945 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      True by design.

    • @BoeingJetJockey
      @BoeingJetJockey 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

      That’s correct, but only for 787-9 & 787-10.
      787-8 doesn’t has this feature.

    • @xxatya
      @xxatya 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Sensors for safety on flight mode. Override retract operation during maintenance only

    • @johnmorris7815
      @johnmorris7815 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@LancerWang I stand corrected, thanks for the info. A350 driver here where no such system exists.

    • @vladimirassalukas6726
      @vladimirassalukas6726 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@johnmorris7815because airbus is better😂

  • @wwt17
    @wwt17 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2248

    If the controller had just said, "China Eastern 2035, go around, go around," rather than adding in "runway 14" there probably would have been zero miscommunication.

    • @nalsalp
      @nalsalp 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +118

      yeah, east asian accent is sometime really hard to understand

    • @spanqueluv9er
      @spanqueluv9er 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @wwt17 Why did you post this ridiculous, bordering on racist comment twice?🤡🤷‍♂️

    • @spanqueluv9er
      @spanqueluv9er 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

      @@nalsalp There are thousands- which one?🙄🤡🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️
      Sit down.

    • @kkobayashi1
      @kkobayashi1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

      ​@@spanqueluv9erwhich one does this air traffic controller have?

    • @Blackwolf1606
      @Blackwolf1606 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +138

      "Discontiniue" was also probably not the best word to use. If you don't hear the "Dis-" it also get's complicated. Rather use something like "abort" maybe.

  • @MaxViva-um9bs
    @MaxViva-um9bs 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +602

    787 gear door open automatically as soon as weight comes off wheel. This, apparently was a design to reduce retraction time.

    • @AnimalisMD
      @AnimalisMD 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      Thanks for pointing that out. To me it, looked like the wheels were still out as the plane took off. Seems like it would add a lot of drag during takeoff though.

    • @sammyhill69
      @sammyhill69 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@AnimalisMD *gear not wheels.

    • @javiaea737
      @javiaea737 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      It's a feature of the 787-9 and -10. Not on the -8. It's called early door retraction, to reduce the time it takes to retract the gear and improve performance.

    • @thomcowley7332
      @thomcowley7332 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +118

      on some Boeing planes the passenger door comes off mid flight to save time after landing

    • @AnimalisMD
      @AnimalisMD 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@thomcowley7332 Yeah sad but it happened.

  • @gman6059
    @gman6059 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +320

    If the pilot didn't understand the first time, saying it faster and adding words to the command doesn't help.

    • @DwightStJohn-t7y
      @DwightStJohn-t7y 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      word economy

    • @christopherbedford9897
      @christopherbedford9897 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Two people whose native language isn't English, communicating in English over VHF radio in a high pressure situation - I'm just amazed there aren't more misunderstandings and crashes.

    • @mentalmodeled
      @mentalmodeled 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      According to my wife, when having a hard time communicating in English, you talk LOUDER and slower. There are a quite a few French and Italians wondering why my wife was slowly screaming at them.

    • @C.Church
      @C.Church 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      You have to first consider that he didn't understand just because of noise.

    • @2760ade
      @2760ade 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Wonder why he understood the other pilot straight away though! For some reason the ATC lady confused him.

  • @andymanaus1077
    @andymanaus1077 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +325

    I'm getting a bit weary of the unnecessarily misleading captions on these videos, to be honest.

    • @KAPAFlyer
      @KAPAFlyer 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Wow. Your life must be miserable if that's something that upsets you.

    • @andymanaus1077
      @andymanaus1077 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +96

      @@KAPAFlyer Not as miserable as someone who has to catastrophize a simple comment of "getting weary" into "miserable" and "upset" instead of scrolling on like a grown up.

    • @garyb6219
      @garyb6219 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@andymanaus1077 Feel the burn!

    • @JimMacintosh
      @JimMacintosh 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

      @@KAPAFlyerGrow up beta boy. The title is inaccurate and should be called out!

    • @elijahtucker7938
      @elijahtucker7938 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      ​@@KAPAFlyer, you thought you did something there 👎

  • @andre-7423
    @andre-7423 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +571

    As per correct phraseology: controller should just said " go around" - not speak about rwy and add unnecessary stuff to confuse pilots with minimal English skills.
    Controllers should be really good at this, giving short and correct instructions can save lives (and in this case, luckily there was plenty of time)

    • @sammyhill69
      @sammyhill69 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      ​@@NatNay-cu3uv what are you on about?

    • @kkobayashi1
      @kkobayashi1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@sammyhill69 @NatNay-cu3uv is evidently a misogynist who thinks women shouldn't be doing this job. Just ignore him.

    • @hivram
      @hivram 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      @@sammyhill69def a bot

    • @jim2lane
      @jim2lane 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      Well, to be honest, it sounded like the controller had minimal English skills as well

    • @TheArnJ
      @TheArnJ 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Without the subtitles i dont understand what she says at all

  • @EduardoBlau
    @EduardoBlau 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1220

    I do not see the gears retracting

    • @AnimalisMD
      @AnimalisMD 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

      Someone else said the doors on that plane open when the gear leaves the ground.

    • @user-microburst
      @user-microburst 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      No Boeing pilot, but during take off gear doors won’t open if gear lever is not selected up

    • @jemwoo2001
      @jemwoo2001 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +86

      @@user-microburst Untrue - On the 787-9 and -10 there is a 'pre door' function where the doors open automatically when the aircraft senses it's airborne. The gear won't retract until the lever goes up.

    • @webegroot3322
      @webegroot3322 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      ​@jemwoo2001 Isn't that counterintuitive though?
      The landing gear doors significantly increase the drag and if any malfuntions happen during takeoff, the doors would be better close than shut to get the aircraft into the air..

    • @Tintenkobold
      @Tintenkobold 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      ​@@webegroot3322 with the same arguments one could say it's better to reduce drag as fast as possible by retracting the gear completely. I think there is a very good reason behind that, but I'm neither an engineer nor a pilot. But I know that once airborn you can't stop, so why not retract the gear very fast.

  • @Oswaldo_Zuniga
    @Oswaldo_Zuniga 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +173

    the A380 looks insane

    • @lolcatz88
      @lolcatz88 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      A380: “yeah nah” 😓

    • @bendenisereedy7865
      @bendenisereedy7865 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Er...what's insane about it? Not the pilot, I hope?

    • @Daimo83
      @Daimo83 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Big objects show the forces of physics much easier :)

    • @BGRUBBIN
      @BGRUBBIN 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ya I have seen this with bush planes but that was next level. Looked like a prop in a movie.

    • @natehill8069
      @natehill8069 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      The tail looks so big - like huge feet and ears on a puppy. Wait til it grows up!

  • @clqudy4750
    @clqudy4750 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +339

    I personally like to retract the gear while still taxiing.

    • @jjxtwo1
      @jjxtwo1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      Agreed. Such a time saver and one less thing to do on climb out. 😅

    • @tomperkins5657
      @tomperkins5657 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      American 445...heavy.

    • @Hans-gb4mv
      @Hans-gb4mv 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      I only extend mine after landing. I'm not a woman, I can't do 2 things at once.

    • @siraff4461
      @siraff4461 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      You leave it that late? I like to retract mine at the gate.

    • @svenmorgenstern9506
      @svenmorgenstern9506 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Especially with a Cessna 150 - you need all the engine power you got. 😊

  • @AnimalisMD
    @AnimalisMD 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +104

    That Emirates plane looked like it was just hovering!😳

    • @nate_river_
      @nate_river_ 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Hanging in the sky the way a brick doesn't. 😉

  • @northmaineguy5896
    @northmaineguy5896 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +156

    V1, V2 rotate. Positive rate -- gear up! I was a tower controller before moving to the radar room, and I have seen thousands of take-offs; I did not see an early retraction of the gear at all.

    • @soccerguy2433
      @soccerguy2433 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      do you know what positive rate means? That' means an indication of climb on the altimeter (a lag instrument).

    • @rtbrtb_dutchy4183
      @rtbrtb_dutchy4183 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@soccerguy2433no you don’t need the indication on the altimeter. You need to confirm in 2 ways. One can be visually, looking outside and seeing your are climbing. You can use the altimeter, as you said. Also the radar altimeter. And the vertical speed indicator. (VSI).
      And in newer airplanes, you can use the flight path vector as well.

    • @rtbrtb_dutchy4183
      @rtbrtb_dutchy4183 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      It’s V1, Vr (or rotate) then V2 after being airborne

    • @ljfinger
      @ljfinger 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You didn't see the gear doors open before rotation?

    • @tonamg53
      @tonamg53 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rtbrtb_dutchy4183The pilot monitoring look at VSI to confirm that the plane is climbing and will verbally say “positive rate” to the pilot flying.
      Then the pilot flying will then command “gear up” The pilot not flying will then select the gear lever up.
      Pilot usually only use radar altimeter on landing. It’s the voice callout “50 30 20 10” that you hear on landing. Not even sure if you can get it to show up on the PFD but pilot don’t really need to see it at all.

  • @Tialano
    @Tialano 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    "China Eastern 2035 Go-Around, I repeat, China Eastern 2035 Go-Around, acknowledge?" is the standard call in the UK where English is the main language.
    This eliminates the MOST risks of confirmation bias when they're expecting landing clearances and the request for acknowledgment ensures the recipient understood what is likely a time critical command.

  • @mikeybhoutex
    @mikeybhoutex 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +76

    Sorry 3MoA, the title is incorrect, but I bet it got the clicks! :)
    Not that anyone will see this, but the doors on the 787-9 and -10 drop upon conditions where the airplane is climbing. This is NOT to speed up the gear retraction. It's to improve performance as has been said, but the 'performance' in question is the cancellation of a porpoising event made possible by the gear doors opening and causing an aerodynamic effect where the nose must be dropped then raised again as the doors open.
    By 'early dropping' the gear doors upon the wings taking the weight of the aircraft on climb out, this porpoising is eliminated.
    So there you go. I had to find out the story when I heard about the early drop (aka 'predrop' as some call it) and could not believe it myself. Doors dropping is a feature, not a bug! :)
    Even so... this 787 dropped the nose then lifted it back up anyway. Weird. :|

    • @DwightStJohn-t7y
      @DwightStJohn-t7y 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      probably due to the LOAD it's carrying, then? Load not balanced inside the plane.

    • @hegil4830
      @hegil4830 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@DwightStJohn-t7y what?

    • @fairddinkum4669
      @fairddinkum4669 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks for the info re the logic for the door opening.
      Imo, the attitude changes after lift off you refer to would have been due to the gusty conditions.

    • @Mgp-Rc
      @Mgp-Rc 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Fancy a You Tube video completely screwing up what they are talking about. Next thing there will be these annoying A.I voices and.....oh wait~~~!?!?!

  • @ranchopatriot
    @ranchopatriot 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +161

    Don't give runway number with go around command. Duh.

    • @gerardwalker2159
      @gerardwalker2159 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If there are multiple runways in use why not? It eliminates confusion. Sometimes a pilot might hear the go around call but wonder was that for me? Shit i didnt hear the call sign, oh he said runway 14 sp it was not for me. It is perfect and exact information. The pilot needs to LISTEN!

    • @brilliant31508
      @brilliant31508 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@gerardwalker2159 if they dont hear it then they can just ask the controller.

    • @OntarioTrafficMan
      @OntarioTrafficMan 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      ​@@gerardwalker2159It doesn't eliminate any confusion. The callsign already provides 100% of the relevant information. Saying the runway creates confusion by sounding too similar to a landing clearance.

    • @gerardwalker2159
      @gerardwalker2159 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You dont seem to understand my comment AT ALL. i explained the thought process that may happen to another pilot ENTIRELY DURING the FIRST transmission. They CANNOT ask in the middle of the transmission. By the end of the transmission "......runway 14" the call would be clear to an unsure pilot and would need not ask a thing as the ATC controller was PERFECTLY clear. It is blowing my mind the insane amount of people blaming the ATC for a perfectly clear transmission. The pilot is to blame and needs to focus and LISTEN. It is 100% the pilots fault and the controller need not have to do or say a single word differently.

    • @gerardwalker2159
      @gerardwalker2159 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      It was not a wrong transmission it had perfectly exact information related exactly to the desired command. Sure perhaps it might have helped but that STILL does not mean the controller "should have said......" it was fine and clear. As i said before. The pilot was not listening and the only person that should have done anything differently was the pilot and that was to LISTEN. If that ATC transmission is considered confusing then you nor anyone else should never have anything at all to do with aviation. It is so incredibly basic and accurate that i am stunned that anyone has a problem with it.

  • @78779
    @78779 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    From the Fcom.
    To improve performance, an early doors function automatically pre-opens the main landing gear doors one second after lift-off and prior to the pilot moving the gear lever to the UP position. If the pilot does not move the gear lever to UP within 30 seconds, the main gear doors return to the closed position. During a touch-and-go, the early doors function does not activate until the airplane has been on the ground for more than 30 seconds.

  • @jackmehoffer7819
    @jackmehoffer7819 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I actually have flown the A380 into London Heathrow in winds similar to this plane. It’s actually simple I imputed left rudder and right up aileron and crab the plane looking down the runway. Just don’t get yourself fixated on the 1000 ft marker. I did it in 35 knot winds with fog and light rain. I got to tell you I had to changed my underwear when it was over. I taxied to the gate. I told my co-pilot to get me a cup of coffee and she yelled at me to get off that dam computer and go to bed.

  • @TiptronicSS
    @TiptronicSS 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    That 380 is such an incredible creation. It was hovering in the air for a moment 😅 then the massive engines makes such a roar on the go around. It's like a dinosaur 😂 (I want 1 😜)

    • @nickc6882
      @nickc6882 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Look at the wheels on the A380, I think they are aligned with the runway not the plane in this shot. I am wondering if the go around was because it exceeded the maximum offset possible.

    • @blairhoughton7918
      @blairhoughton7918 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Purely forced perspective. It was still moving a couple of hundred kts.

    • @grahamcrabb7714
      @grahamcrabb7714 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@TiptronicSS Give it a few years and you'll be able to choose one 2nd hand when they get retired🤣🤣

    • @Bruh-zx2mc
      @Bruh-zx2mc หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@blairhoughton7918 A couple hundred kts is quite fast. I'd guesstimate the A380 is only going 120-180kts here, typical for aircraft in the 737-747 size range.

  • @AlexdAviator
    @AlexdAviator 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    runway 14 doesn’t make any sense, a go around is a go around. the fact that she added the runway was probably the cause of the confusion because she commanded a go around the same way you would command a landing clearence.

    • @Oops-IMeantToDoThat
      @Oops-IMeantToDoThat 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Added to that might be language confusion- although pilot sounded fluent.

    • @2760ade
      @2760ade 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Oops-IMeantToDoThat They were both fluent....sadly in different languages!

  • @user-microburst
    @user-microburst 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +51

    Believe it or not, due accent, clear to land and go around can be very similar. Saying the runway in a go around is also non standard and utterly confusing for a pilot.

    • @chrisridebike8
      @chrisridebike8 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      At military airfields in Japan, they will say “check gear down” and it sounds an awful lot like “take it around” so it’s weird the first time you hear “check gear down, cleared to land runway xx”

    • @kkobayashi1
      @kkobayashi1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@user-microburst Right, because many languages don't distinguish between L and R sounds.

    • @rtbrtb_dutchy4183
      @rtbrtb_dutchy4183 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@chrisridebike8all US military aircraft do the “check gear down”. Nothing new. And nobody says: “take it around”. It’s called “go-around”. And it doesn’t sound the same.

    • @chrisridebike8
      @chrisridebike8 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 yeah. I have 2,000 hours in the F-18. I’m well aware of how the military flies and what is said on the radio. But Japanese ATC is among the hardest to understand. And it literally sounds like “take it around.” And as this video demonstrates, sometimes there is nonstandard comm on the radio so hearing what sounds like “take it around” is disconcerting

    • @blairhoughton7918
      @blairhoughton7918 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      When the other pilot said what she said, he used a heavier accent and the other pilot finally understood and asked for the confirmation.

  • @Jay_Bird
    @Jay_Bird 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

    At fist I thought that flight into London was in real time and I was like, SHIT! They're coming in HOT!

    • @Bedrock1966
      @Bedrock1966 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Is it real footage or game?

    • @defski
      @defski 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Bedrock1966 ...Real.

    • @Birkguitars
      @Birkguitars 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Planes coming in to London City actually approach nose down. Having got used to descent basically being "not nose up" it is a weird feeling but the approach from the west is spectacular. The flight goes right over the London Eye then loops around to head back over Canary Wharf. Its worth the ticket price fir that alone.

    • @andrewsercer9538
      @andrewsercer9538 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah I got really nervous.
      I don't have a ton of experience with pilot POV on landing though so all the while I was thinking "this is normal, right ....... RIGHT?" Then it slowed down and I literally unclenched lol

    • @df0813
      @df0813 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Millennium Falcon coming out of hyperspace

  • @wwt17
    @wwt17 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +90

    If the controller didn't keep saying "go around runway 14", and instead just said "go around, go around," there probably wouldn't have been any miscommunication.

    • @WhiskeyGulf71
      @WhiskeyGulf71 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Maybe the airport has multiple runways in operation & controlled by the one tower controller ?
      *GO AROUND* was very clear in all the transmissions.

    • @spanqueluv9er
      @spanqueluv9er 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      @wwt17 The co-pilot clearly understood the instructions. There was no miscommunication from the controller, there was a misunderstanding on the part of the pilot, genius.🤦‍♂️

    • @NatNay-cu3uv
      @NatNay-cu3uv 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Dont get complicated they are trying to include everyone
      Inclusivity
      Is the key.

    • @imbethondion4572
      @imbethondion4572 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@spanqueluv9er Was that not the pilot of the ATR-72 (or whatever the turboprop thing is) interjecting, rather than the co-pilot of the Dreamliner?

    • @repatch43
      @repatch43 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I'm sorry, she said 'go around' with the first call, if I pilot isn't picking up on that it's a BIG problem, what else is this 'pilot' not understanding?

  • @LuciFeric137
    @LuciFeric137 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +77

    They wont retract until the weight is off the gear.

    • @WOTArtyNoobs
      @WOTArtyNoobs 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      Unless it's Aerosucre and they are struggling to get airborne!

    • @AnonMedic
      @AnonMedic 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      That's one thing Boeing has done right in engineering

    • @Kenzowasabi
      @Kenzowasabi 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@AnonMedic ?

    • @BWB_Cubing
      @BWB_Cubing 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@WOTArtyNoobslol true
      fun fact sometimes i misread aerosucre as aerosecure… although they defenetly arent

    • @jeffreywoodhead2682
      @jeffreywoodhead2682 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@AnonMedicso far..

  • @Dr.SHERIFF
    @Dr.SHERIFF 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    1:08 Go around means go around. Why TH she keeps adding Runway 14 to that simple command rendering it confusing?!

  • @shawntw1556
    @shawntw1556 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm glad there are comments explaining about the doors because those wheels were not moving an inch even up until the end of the clip.

  • @PN_48
    @PN_48 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    As others have noted, that QF was a pretty normal departure…

    • @keane-pro
      @keane-pro 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      no it wasn't. pilots should not retract the gear before fully lifting off. they should wait until they are fully airborne before retracting. as seen in the clip the gear lever was pushed up while the plane was still on the ground.

    • @rtbrtb_dutchy4183
      @rtbrtb_dutchy4183 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@keane-pronope. The 787-9 and -10, the doors open after lift off. It doesn’t retract the gear. As you can see, just prior to the doors opening, the airplane had a bit of a wobble, so the doors opened, probably because the airplane thought it was airborne.
      So you are wrong, the lever was not moved up.

    • @diddyfreakoffparty
      @diddyfreakoffparty 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah.

    • @VL3Sim
      @VL3Sim 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@keane-proYea mate be sure to check your facts before classifying someone’s statement as completely wrong or false. Back to the books for you hey

  • @JimMacintosh
    @JimMacintosh 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Bad title. The gear doors on the 87-9 (not sure about the -10) open when the weight comes off the wheels. Notice how the landing gear doesn’t begin retracting until many seconds later (once the gear has been selected up in the cockpit). Video title needs to be fixed.

  • @jimholloman4457
    @jimholloman4457 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    PLEASE GET RID OF THE VERY LOUD MUSIC AT THE BEGINNING AND THE END!

  • @SF_Fah1m
    @SF_Fah1m 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Finally a Dhaka, Bangladesh Airport aviation video added in your channel. Thx a lot
    Love from Bangladesh 🇧🇩❤

  • @tokyoraidlover8257
    @tokyoraidlover8257 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    0:53 Sir re-enter avi-world as ATC after retirement LOL

  • @jragon4120yt
    @jragon4120yt 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    1:37 it look like it’s not moving

  • @zephyr_00
    @zephyr_00 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    The first one,
    The Qantas B787 gear retraction is a software thing, not pilot, and it isn't exactly dangerous.
    Boeing engineered the B787 gear door to automatically open for gear retraction once the weight on wheels switch is deactivated/immediately after liftoff.
    At the stage, the B787 was, it's possible that the wheels were barely touching the ground when the doors started opening.
    Though according to Boeing, the gear doors aren't expected to open automatically till the plane is at least 50ft.
    It can also automatically close after 10-15sec if the pilot don't call for gear-up. It doesn't not automatically command the gears to go up or down, it just opens and closes the gear doors.

  • @RobT_Cockpit_videos
    @RobT_Cockpit_videos 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    0:35 feeling those Air China 981 vibes there

  • @ussenterprisecvn-8098
    @ussenterprisecvn-8098 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I find it funny how a pilot had to say go around for the other pilot to understand.

  • @hugochan2821
    @hugochan2821 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I remember this is a feature to save fuel. The landing gear door open during takeoff, so landing gear could be retracted quicker when pilot initiated gear up. This saves lots of fuel.

  • @JohnnyAngel8
    @JohnnyAngel8 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    At 0:55, BS 155 voice clarifies the instructions: "She says 'go around', sir." Is interjection with instructions from another pilot allowed, either in unwritten practice or in written procedure?

    • @Hans-gb4mv
      @Hans-gb4mv 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Yes, safety is everyone's concern.

    • @geezee1946
      @geezee1946 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      It is not proper, but as stated before safety is everyone's concern.
      Tha woman's voice was so lispy it was very hard to understand.

  • @Brad1711
    @Brad1711 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The 787-9 and 787-10 include an automatic Early Doors feature that pre-opens the main landing gear doors on takeoff in anticipation of the pilot commanding the gear to retract. The actual gear don’t retract until selected by the pilot. And that’s what we are seeing here.

  • @Plane_studios8695
    @Plane_studios8695 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    For the first one, usually for the 787-9/10, the pilots retract the gear shortly after takeoff

    • @petesmith1924
      @petesmith1924 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      For any aeroplane with retractable landing gear the pilots retract the landing gear ‘shortly after take-off’ once a positive rate of climb is achieved unless an MEL restriction requires it leaving down.

  • @Dannysoutherner
    @Dannysoutherner 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    F4 pilot at Moody AB Georgia 45 50 years ago did this. Gear popped up, engine stalled, plane bellyflopped on the runway and slid off into the swamp. He was reduced to SSGT and spent his remaining years handing out pool cues and balls at the rec center.

  • @Inflight777
    @Inflight777 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Bhutan airlines is doing the kai tak approach

  • @shinzyReal
    @shinzyReal 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The 787 didn't retract the gear early, it's just a special mechanism to open to doors as soon as the plane lifts off

  • @Roblopilot
    @Roblopilot 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    The first one is cool and crazy

  • @dhass1776
    @dhass1776 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    City Wok runway 14, you want the City Beef? Or the City Chicken?

  • @Tianton1
    @Tianton1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I cant for the life of me get the first video.. nothing is retracted anywhere. the gear is down for the entire length of the clip. if your talking about the movement of the gear thats a gust from side, its gusting 30kts.

    • @stephenholland5930
      @stephenholland5930 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The gear doors open but gear does not retract.

  • @adb012
    @adb012 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why the go around in Paro in the last clip? It looked perfect aligned, perfect flare, wings level, and they were about to touch down exactly in the touchdown zone. They were practicing / training, maybe?

  • @ArnavWarnav
    @ArnavWarnav 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    0:57 That ATR 72 looks so good.

    • @hEXordo
      @hEXordo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Like the one in brasil?

    • @ArnavWarnav
      @ArnavWarnav 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@hEXordo It’s spelled Brazil and also yeah. But first of all that’s pilot error for sure, it’s generally a safe aircraft and I commented on this video before that incident even happened.

    • @maspunchnath7487
      @maspunchnath7487 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ArnavWarnav its spelled Brasil in Brazil

    • @ArnavWarnav
      @ArnavWarnav 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@maspunchnath7487 Are you being dumb on purpose? You have got to be kidding me. You’re THAT stupid?! WTH IS BRASIL

  • @timjohnun4297
    @timjohnun4297 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The SWISS air fast approach into London was terrifying until I realised it was sped up. And a sim lol

  • @southpark5555
    @southpark5555 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Let's put it this way - in the vid, I can't see landing gear retracting when the Qantas plane is still on the ground. Even when it has taken off - the landing gears haven't been retracted at all - as far as we can see in the vid.

  • @pmarreck
    @pmarreck 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    1) Communication failures seem to be a factor in many accidents and close calls
    2) Language barrier + (1) seems to be a *disproportionate* factor in many accidents and close calls. It seems to be a plane survival advantage if English is your native language, and that needs to be rectified somehow

  • @EleanorPeterson
    @EleanorPeterson 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    If this Channel's video clips are a little short and don't quite last for the full 180 seconds, someone in the Comments ALWAYS says, "You owe me (however many)-seconds of Aviation".
    This video was 181 seconds long, so... will you take an I.O.U.? 😁

    • @jeremey2072
      @jeremey2072 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      3 minutes with a +/- 1% tolerance 😂

  • @brisbare10
    @brisbare10 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Swiss was a butter landing after that steep approach 👌

  • @kc5402
    @kc5402 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I wish Chinese pilots would learn English before they start their flying career. It would make things a lot easier for everybody.

  • @RobertSweet-nw4tm
    @RobertSweet-nw4tm 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So what part of this video shows the plane with the wheels retracted?

  • @GregLloyd76
    @GregLloyd76 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    It's pretty obvious the Dreamliner actually had a problem. You can see a puff of smoke / dust behind the aircraft at 0:16 and then the left wing (right on the video) lifts at 0:17 to 0:19 causing instability. The pilots rotated and took it into the air to troubleshoot because they were probably at V1 or very close to it, so committed to flight. Really need to get the facts straight with some of these videos

    • @jorgeluishernandezgomez7308
      @jorgeluishernandezgomez7308 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Agree! It looks like the back rigt tire in the right boggie blown up...that explain smoke and instability just before rotate.

    • @rtbrtb_dutchy4183
      @rtbrtb_dutchy4183 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      None of what you said is correct. First of all, nobody rotates at V1. That’s just silly.
      Some 787 models, the doors open right after liftoff. So that’s normal. This time it happened a bit early, because the airplane went over a bump and became light on the wheels, which triggered the doors to open.

    • @GregLloyd76
      @GregLloyd76 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 They actually rotate at VR, but V1 is the last point they can abort takeoff. The video title implies that the pilots attempted to lift the gear early, which is incorrect. My comment wasn't that the aircraft itself had a problem, but that the takeoff roll had a problem. You say it was bump, but we cannot tell that from the video. There is a puff of dust / smoke in the video at 0:16 which could have been a tyre hitting an object on the runway. Alternatively, maybe it was a bump, but we cannot tell. But in that case it is a poor runway surface in my opinion. The video is not close enough to be able to say exactly what happened. Either way, you are correct that the aircraft became light as a result of whatever happened. And I agree that the lightness is what triggered the doors to come down.

    • @rtbrtb_dutchy4183
      @rtbrtb_dutchy4183 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@GregLloyd76 yeah, I misread your V1 part on your initial post.
      But the airplane didn’t have a problem. This was a normal take off.

    • @PN_48
      @PN_48 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@GregLloyd76Is it not just a very gusty takeoff with a considerable crosswind component? Just after 00:16 for the next few seconds it appears there’s considerable rudder inputs being applied. A crosswind could also explain the port wing lift.

  • @bills6946
    @bills6946 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The tower instructing “Go around” sounded like someone from an Amazon Call Center.

  • @WhiskeyGulf71
    @WhiskeyGulf71 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    2:28 is this training I wonder ? The approach seemed perfect with no obvious need to go around.

    • @susanwahl6322
      @susanwahl6322 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Except for the fact that there was a plane on that runway.

    • @I_Evo
      @I_Evo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@susanwahl6322 Wrong clip, the poster is referring to the Paro landing.

    • @charlest9440
      @charlest9440 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Too fast would be my guess

    • @blairhoughton7918
      @blairhoughton7918 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@charlest9440Rich passenger in the other seat going 'Woooooo! Do that again!'

  • @TheCOZ
    @TheCOZ 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If the Swiss clip hadn't been sped up you would have given us extra seconds of aviation.

  • @most-average-athelete
    @most-average-athelete 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    1:19 WHAT is that crab angle?!? I wonder if they'll ever try to land an A380 backwards :x

    • @garyb6219
      @garyb6219 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Did you know that south of the equator the propellers do have to spin backwards? Glad I'm not a pilot and have to deal with that!

    • @Azmeyofficial
      @Azmeyofficial 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@garyb6219they can pay u $1M a year lmao

  • @aashirsiddiqui5203
    @aashirsiddiqui5203 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There should be a sensor to control when to switch the gear, right?

  • @SharpBalisong
    @SharpBalisong 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Downvote for BS title. I want my view back.

  • @mithrandir1313
    @mithrandir1313 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I always enjoy your content! thanks!!

  • @mana3735
    @mana3735 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    1:52 a flight simulation?

    • @ruadhscottygirl2480
      @ruadhscottygirl2480 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I was scratching my head on this one too.

    • @aviatordiego4769
      @aviatordiego4769 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      It’s not. It’s a Timelapse.

    • @sailorman8668
      @sailorman8668 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@aviatordiego4769 It's a timelapse of a simulation - Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020.
      Please try harder to post factual comments in future.

    • @aviatordiego4769
      @aviatordiego4769 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@sailorman8668 looks like the one without a brain is you my friend. That’s real life.

  • @flyoverpeasant8016
    @flyoverpeasant8016 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why did the A319 go around at the end? Too fast or maybe intended? Looked like a nice turn, descent, and approach to me (non-pilot).

    • @garyb6219
      @garyb6219 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He might have thought he floated for too long and said screw it.

  • @joaoleitao3320
    @joaoleitao3320 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Wrong phraseology from ATC.

  • @Agar.1o
    @Agar.1o 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is because of headwind pushing the Boeing 787 to lift the left landing gears,making the computer think they had lift off and automatically retracted the landing gear!

  • @TheImperialChannel
    @TheImperialChannel 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    *This video has been 'going around'.*

    • @neothermic1
      @neothermic1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Got it, clear to land runway 14.

    • @sammyhill69
      @sammyhill69 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@neothermic1 he said go around

  • @mgc26133
    @mgc26133 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I thought that London approach was the real speed and was watching in pure terror until the video slowed down.

  • @AboveInShadow
    @AboveInShadow 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    0:49 To be fair the indian accent is very hard to understand in english.

    • @verifiedtoxicangel2411
      @verifiedtoxicangel2411 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And Bangladeshi accent as shown here is even worse.

  • @joemitchell680
    @joemitchell680 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Landing Gear Retraction
    To improve performance, an early doors function automatically pre-opens the main landing gear doors one second after lift-off and prior to the pilot moving the gear lever to the UP position. If the pilot does not move the gear lever to UP within 30 seconds, the main gear doors return to the closed position.

  • @carlosalba7790
    @carlosalba7790 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    China Eastern: "I land now, good luck everybody else!"

  • @1STGeneral
    @1STGeneral 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Inaccurate title will retract my finger from clicking on future videos......Oh look a new video click 😊 Creature of habit

  • @slidefirst694
    @slidefirst694 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I told a waiter in a Chinese restaurant to go around the table and he said, "You want the Happy Family Banquet!"

  • @rjh4735
    @rjh4735 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I like to retract the gear while the plane is still parked.

  • @clist9406
    @clist9406 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Call sign go around , never add runway number , the other pilots did an amazing job , that crosswind was freaky , steep approach at London was scary , coming in a little hot . Being a Helo pilot I don’t have those issues .

  • @jcmaguier3199
    @jcmaguier3199 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    About the 1st Qantas 787, I don’t believe pilots retract ldg gear too early, but it’s normal the main ldg gear doors open as soon as the aircraft lift off in order to save time for retraction.Doors open but ldg gear is still down!…. and set to retract when altimeter increases.

  • @OrionRox
    @OrionRox 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The ICAO standard phraseology for go-around say: "Any transmissions to aircraft going around shall be brief and kept to a minimum."
    And the standard go-around call if controller initiated should be: "JET 123, go around"
    That's it, no runway number, no wind, no nothing, just simple callsign + go around.
    That's why standard phraseology is important, runway number often associated with takeoff and landing clearance, if transmission is not clear or got cut out in the middle, pilot might heard: "2035 --- runway 14", in this case, it would be normal for the pilot to guess the intention of the controller is "clear to land runway 14" instead "go around runway 14" .
    Also, that "discontinue approach" was also redundant, what controller should say is: "China Eastern 2035, go around".

  • @chuckaddison5134
    @chuckaddison5134 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm pretty sure there are safety switches in the landing gear circuits that prohibit gear operation until the weight is off the carriage.

    • @petesmith1924
      @petesmith1924 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The gear lever cannot be selected up on the ground without operating the lever LOCK OVERRIDE switch on the 787. On the -9 and -10 the aeroplane is designed to open the main gear doors 1 sec after lift-off even if the gear is still selected down.

  • @spridlechimchim9958
    @spridlechimchim9958 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Something that confuses me, is why is the gear not retracted until "positive rate" is stated...at the point you are commited to flying the aircraft, so why do you need positive rate, its not like you can slam the aircraft down after rotation...after futher thinking..do the gear door opening for retraction add a significant amount of drag?

  • @NikosWings
    @NikosWings 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It’s a simple call “China Eastern 2035, Go Around” she confused the pilot with the runway number after the go around

  • @johngraves6878
    @johngraves6878 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The London landing is quite beautiful.

    • @sailorman8668
      @sailorman8668 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah, and a beautiful fightsim rendering too.
      Please don't tell me your thought this was actual footage?

    • @dnhug
      @dnhug 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@sailorman8668 It is. ive recorded it.

    • @dnhug
      @dnhug 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@johngraves6878 thank you! Glad you liked!

  • @Martin-EK1972
    @Martin-EK1972 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How long until anti-gravity landing??

  • @LuisAnimaciones-y3p
    @LuisAnimaciones-y3p 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The 787 is me playing tfs, takes off and retract gear early

  • @bwoolno
    @bwoolno 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    On the Qantas 787 . The inner doors open automatically as soon as the wheels leave the ground . The gear wasn't retracted to early

    • @bwoolno
      @bwoolno วันที่ผ่านมา

      Spot on . A shame the people who post these videos don't do a bit of research first

  • @Demongornot
    @Demongornot 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Discontinue approach" sound a LOT like "Please continue approach", mainly with the accent...
    In fact, "Go around" can be mistaken for "Clear to land" because they have the same length, the beginning doesn't sound the same, but you have the "O" and "and" that can be misleading.

  • @peter9962
    @peter9962 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why is there a Flight Sim clip included? And when did Airbus introduce an A220?

  • @bobbrown8661
    @bobbrown8661 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Since when does Qantas fly to Las Vegas?

  • @leoalaplage
    @leoalaplage 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Standard phraseo for go-around is : "China ... Go-around, I say again Go-around". This reduce miscommunication

  • @09shadowjet
    @09shadowjet 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    To be fair, that Dhaka ATC issued a non-standard go around command.

  • @billakers6082
    @billakers6082 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Was that China Eastern captain Ho Lee Fook or Way Tu Lough?

  • @thepianist7084
    @thepianist7084 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    OK, this is the last time I click on any of these.

  • @petesmith1924
    @petesmith1924 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The audio (presumably of ATC) passed the wind as 290/25. That is NOWHERE NEAR the crosswind limit for an A380 landing on runway 23R (or L) at MAN.

  • @tonytheflyer
    @tonytheflyer 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In the last video, if it was a B737, the pilots would've just slammed it into the ground while recording it on their phones 😂

  • @mixter7x7
    @mixter7x7 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The early retraction was a demonstration of the aircraft working the way it’s designed to work. The pilot SHOULD NOT select the gear up until he has WOW ( weight off wheels ). The aircraft has sensors on the struts / shocks to tell the aircraft the shock struts are extended and the gear retraction can begin, but the gear should not be selected up until the gear clears the ground.

    • @petesmith1924
      @petesmith1924 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The gear should not be selected up until you have confirmed a positive rate of climb, not weight off wheels.

    • @mixter7x7
      @mixter7x7 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@petesmith1924 yes - that's correct, but you'd be surprised. You shouldn't try to pull the engines into reverse until you have weight on but a lot of pilots ARE pulling on the throttles waiting for the locks to release , not waiting for the aircraft to settle on the ground.
      Yes - there is " by the book " and there's what's actually being done. The safety switches are in place to prevent a disaster.

    • @petesmith1924
      @petesmith1924 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mixter7x7 not sure what that has to do with anything.🤷‍♂️

    • @petesmith1924
      @petesmith1924 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mixter7x7 and I wouldn’t be surprised, I’m a former B737 classic to Max, B757, B767 training captain and currently B787 with over 16,000hrs of experience.🤷‍♂️

  • @AirspotterUK
    @AirspotterUK 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The Qantas is fine, -9 and -10 auto open 1 second after rotate, its designed to do that to eliminate the effect the opening doors have during the climb out.
    The yaw movement just before the nose raises may have triggered it a little earlier.
    The goaround, removing the runway info may of helped including repeating the works goaround twice.

  • @julianjones9793
    @julianjones9793 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The gear was odd but a go-around at Paro is pretty intense

  • @christerry1773
    @christerry1773 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    :17 something definitely happening close to rollout but how can you tell its landing gear retraction?

  • @natehill8069
    @natehill8069 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Can you raise the gear while still on the ground?"
    "No, but you can lower the fuselage!"

  • @lkslokinhow
    @lkslokinhow 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Discontinue approach is a strange choice of words. It may sounds like "China Eastern 2035 continue approach", especially when it is not their native language. Adding the runway number makes it even more strange.

  • @manchora
    @manchora 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A design where the whole tail moves (like the stabilizer) would help in managing cross winds

  • @NEVERGIVEUP-hi3em
    @NEVERGIVEUP-hi3em 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Please have some knowledge dear video maker , pilot monitoring says positive rate , gears are retracted. Here the communication was done well and fast!

  • @seen48
    @seen48 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When they showed the Swiss Airbus A220 cockpit view, I thought for sure it was going WAY TOO FAST and was going to crash! Then the video slowed down from Timelapse mode! 😂