@@madam-mint I like how the white represents hope almost. In the bagel, you can see white but surrounded and blinded by darkness. The google eye sees the darkness yet turns it into hope
The fact, when I first saw this, I started crying HERE. The fact she was able to summarize such a nihilistic but realistic view on how people see life, how true it is, and then for the movie to both prove her right and wrong… God, this blew my mind.
She showed her the Circumpunct. The Symbol going thru History representing the Fallen Angels and the Enemy of Man. Who we are Currently in a Spritual war against, so it makes sense for her to tell her Everything is Pointless because this goes back to the Philosophy they are trying to indoctrinate everybody with which is New Age. That there is no point to Life that there is no Good or Evil that those are just made up and that we Can be Our Own Gods and make up our Own Reality which is all just a big Pile of crap. They just want us to Walk Away from God and the fact that Humans are Special and that each of us does have a Higher purpose in our lives.
The way Stephanie Hsu’s face goes from the emotion of literal disappointment in her eyes and the resentment in her voice as she explains what she put on the bagel, to the vast emptiness melancholy as she says “nothing matters” that alone deserves an Oscar. She’s amazing
I just noticed the tear coming down her face when she sings at the end. The way she goes from embracing the chaos to slowly showcasing how dead behind the eyes she is to that tear revealing the pain and guilt she claims to have erased is still there in spite of her attempts to warp every reality/universe. I know her "just let me go" bit towards the movie's end is what most would consider the scene that got her the Oscar nomination, but this scene is what really convinced me of her merit.
I don't think most nihilist genuinely enjoy being nihilists, especially in fiction. She doesn't want to believe nothing matters but with everything she deals with by just existing she's convinced herself that the only way to get rid of her pain is to believe that it's all meaningless. In the end suicidal people don't always really want to kill themselves, that's why they hesitate before they jump or drag the knife. They just need to end their pain and and they've convinced themselves death is their only option. This whole movie was Joy's personal suicide note, even she admitted that the whole reason she hunted down this version of her mother was because she hoped her mom would see some kind of meaning in Infinity.
If I had two cents every time a bagel played a key role in the fate of the multiverse, I would have four cents. That's not much, but it's weird that it has happened twice.
"Hopes and dreams, old report cards" ...this movie resists the so-called high fuctioning smart kid trope so hard and it makes me reflect/gives me life.
so relatable to have so much potential but make nothing of it when you become an adult, so all your achievements from childood are collecting dust and all your parents have to boast about to their friends and family is stuff you accomplished 10, 15 years ago.
It's not just hit. It gives me a false hope of existing of such bagel. I really want it to be real to suck everything. Every fucking thing, including me
If nothing matters then all the pain and guilt of making nothing of your life...goes away". This line hits me like a truck because I knew that feeling of nothing and being nothing, it's like a void and pain but you're numb to it.
@@jtgd I don't fear death to me it's peace and moving forward into after life. Hoping to see ancestors and family up there and friends too. It's at least how I see it. Nothing can take away pain you may feel going through depression. Everything around you begins to not matter anymore, sometimes you want a way out or into the everything bagel. Yet I find myself trying to make things work when things seem to be a mess in my life. I at least have hope that remains within me even when things can be crappy sometimes.
The fact that the “everything” on the everything bagel includes an “everything bagel” with everything on it, just makes me realize why such a thing would collapse on itself. Because that bagel would also have everything on it - including another everything bagel.
It's a variation of 'does the set of everything contain itself?' The answer is NO of course. But such a bagel would by necessity need to punch a hole through every universe in the search of one that it can possibly exist in.
This scene perfectly encapsulates depression and suicidal ideation. I cry every time I see this because it perfectly resonates with me. I've been in Jobu Tupaki's shoes for so long to know this familiar feeling. That nothing matters. When you reached that point in your life, you'll feel you're ready to end things, you'll let yourself get sucked into a bagel. Someone summarized Jobu Tupaki's real intention in the movie: she's a depressed queer daughter who travels the multiverse to find a version of her mother who would feel what she feels, who would convince her not to go to the everything bagel. I'm glad she found that version of Evelyn. For all of us who feel like being Jobu, I hope we find someone like Evelyn who would make us see that even when nothing matters, you matter to someone else. That even if we only get tiny specks of time of pure happiness, we can learn to cherish them.
I'm 41 years old from Indonesia, and this comment really hits me deep, because of how deeply relatable it is for me personally. I've got diagnosed with Major Depression back in 2020. To be honest, my life is a complete failure. I feel like a sad pathetic loser that should not exist, & also a waste of space/oxygen. Almost everyday I have what's called a passive suicidal ideation. But people in real life when they see me they think I'm just a "normal" person, who don't deserve to complain nor whine about my "good comfortable privileged life". Little do people know what's really inside my heart & mind deep down inside. This is also why I deeply relate with the character Joy (or Jobu Tupaki). She is nihilistic, pessimistic, cynical, apathetic, depressed, & suicidal. It's sad that most people who've watched this movie probably wouldn't even understand deeply especially about the character Joy (Jobu Tupaki), and the weight & the deeper meanings of all her words. But for (heavily) depressed people, like me, we can deeply understand her.
So you’re telling me there’s people who don’t get how freaking deep is this scene? It’s literally one of my favorite scenes/excerpts in all cinema and literature combined.
Stephanie Hsu should have won an Oscar for this scene alone. Every line delivered with such purpose, the subtle emotion in each inflection. Just wow. She was so incredible in this movie I can’t wait to see what she does next.
When I saw this film in the cinema, I cried at this scene. And here I am in my house, crying again. It really incapsulates he suffocating nothingness I feel in a way nothing else seems to. It's absolutely heartbreaking to have that feeling out in the open to witness, but also very cathartic. The incredible score and Stephanie Hsu's performance hit right at the core of that emotion and make it something true. A difficult feeling, as this kind of emptiness is really difficult to capture without being overwrought, corny or, well, empty. Thanks for uploading the scene.
@@RubyLove549 the scene when the mom experienced the multiverse and came to the nothingness view..was cathartic in a way for me.. someone that felt this way..all I could do was hope that somewhere after this scene that this issue would get resolved or relief
I’ve been diving in to psychology, space and philosophy in my free time for years and finally found a movie that encapsulates everything I have been thinking. Does anything really matter and what are we doing here really. For the most part of my life honestly it’s been a lot of pain and suffering, but there have been small pockets and “specks” that made all the suffering up to this point well worth it. Even if those specks were just for a tiny shred of time in the grand scale of my existence. This movie nails it 100 fold so beautifully. Still waiting and hoping for my next speck.
There's a reason why religion exists. I guess there's just too many people that cannot handle the fact that most likely our existence is pointless and has no true meaning. It just is. We just are. That terrifies a lot of people.
I don’t think life needs to have some great meaning, we are specs of dust in the universe, experience what you can, feel everything, then fade into oblivion like everyone else… we have solidarity in that inevitability, don’t beat yourself up thinking you need to change the world, it’s just a slightly larger spec of dust, and theres plenty of narcissistic people to fill that role.
To me, those tiny specks of joy and happiness get swallowed up by the suffering, so even feeling those joyful moments can be very painful since I know there is something bad just around the corner to steal that little bit of joy from me. I don't know if it's even worth it to feel those moments of joy at all if they're just going to be taken away from me by something terrible. Watching this movie, I understood the positive side to nihilism in which we need to find our own meaning in everything, but I can't help but wonder if the things we find meaning in really matter in the grand scheme of things. The way I see it, we all end up dead at the end of everything, so what do our hopes and dreams even matter? There are more negatives in this place than there are positives, so how could those tiny positives mean anything? I know that everyone's different, not trying to say that my viewpoint is the right one, just saying my piece. I guess I'm just way too much of a negative person due to certain life experiences, but hey, at least this movie made me want to feel that my way of thinking is wrong somehow. That way, the world and it's people won't be as awful as I believe them to be and I might finally be able to see something good to help me stick around for a while longer.
Scientifically speaking, the bagel is the same as life on every spectrum of the multiverse itself. It’s creation is a destruction but also creation. It’s literally a 360 of everything.
First a bagel could destroy the multiverse in this movie And now, a bagel is behind a super villain origin story and the possible destruction of the multiverse I think the next time the multiverse is in danger, I’m gonna assume a bagel had something to do with it
Basically, this is exactly what I've been told by my parents, when I tried to share some emotions about my existential crisis. So, I don't speak about feeling with my parents anymore)
The acting is incredible. You hear her say the words “you don’t believe that”.. but her eyes can’t look away. As if she doesn’t believe her words of comfort. So glad the Academy took notice. It’s amazing
@@Pavel.Zhigulin Exactly how my parents and they still do. When I tried to tell them I'm depressed they didn't want to hear it and kept downplaying me. For almost 10 years of my life I'm still depressed with nobody being there for me, and they wonder why I seemed detached from them.
You can easily know she's really depressed The character herself suffered so much from it and embraced Nihilism. It's not just because she's seen everything and the truth that she's been suffering so much to a point that she needed to stop caring or she'd be totally crashed by her depression. Such beautiful writings.
This scene is just so beautiful!!!! The monologue is so well-written and poetic. Not to mention the incredible delivery Stephanie Hsu gives, she really deserves that Oscar nomination.
That beautiful heavenly instrumentals clashing together with the intake of everything "life" then ... sudden silence ... "sucked intooo ... a bagel" Gosebumps every time .. Amazing scene..
i watched this movie twice, listened to the entire album and watched it AGAIN and i still wanna see it again after seeing this clip. genuinely obsessed with this movie
This is one of the most heartbreaking dialogue exchanges in any movie. I cannot imagine how heart wrenching it must feel to listen to your daughter explain just how hopeless she feels. You poured your everything into that child and it was so much that it all collapsed and all thats left is a deep unending void.
1:08 the fact that this bagel even looks like the spot is crazy to me because we saw the first trailer of across the spiderverse in dec 2021 its the best coincidence to be ever happened
The actress who played Joy/Jobu Tupaki is really talented , she has a bright future ahead of her. The way how she played Joy for the emotional moment’s was beautifully done , and Jobu Tupaki for the badass moment’s was cinematically well done.
People always assume that this nihilism is something bad and destructive but in this era where anxiety and rush from everywhere can make a mess in our heads, It's a little bit peacefull to think that...Hey, nothing really matters that much.
fucking incredible. Like that singsongy way a mom or an auntie would say let's get our seatbelts on, or we're going to the shops. But dark. Nothing matters tra laa laa. Just super relatable.
I can't even look at a still of this scene when she says "nothing matters" and then when she sings that weird little song without bawling my eyes out. A scene etched into cinematic history, on par with Morpheus handing Neo the red pill or Darth Vader asking Luke to join the dark side. People will talk of this for decades to come.
I'm 41 years old from Indonesia, and this scene really hits me deep, because of how deeply relatable it is for me personally. I've got diagnosed with Major Depression back in 2020. To be honest, my life is a complete failure. I feel like a sad pathetic loser that should not exist, & also a waste of space/oxygen. Almost everyday I have what's called a passive suicidal ideation. But people in real life when they see me they think I'm just a "normal" person, who don't deserve to complain nor whine about my "good comfortable privileged life". Little do people know what's really inside my heart & mind deep down inside. This is also why I deeply relate with the character Joy (or Jobu Tupaki). She is nihilistic, pessimistic, cynical, apathetic, depressed, & suicidal. It's sad that most people who've watched this movie probably wouldn't even understand deeply especially about the character Joy (Jobu Tupaki), and the weight & the deeper meanings of all her words. But for (heavily) depressed people, like me, we can deeply understand her.
The close up scene of Stephanie Hsu deserves an OSCAR...sadly she's been overshadowed by the intense campaigning of Jamie Lee Curtis...I hope Stephanie prevails Oscar night although it seems impossible...Kerry Condon and Angela Bassett are also contenders...
I totally agree. It still boggles my mind that there were two best supporting actresses nominations for the same freakin’ movie! And I knew Stephanie Hsu was gonna have it hard to go up against Jamie Lee Curtis, who did great in the film and has had decades more of films in her career yet not even the same level as Stephanie’s acting in the film. Still proud of her and the success of the film, but I’d be lying if I said I didn’t want to see Hsu getting that Oscar. Still, I hope to see her doing more incredible things in the future.
This movie is my entire life… I never thought I’d see a movie that depicts the struggles of everyday life.. and I learned to love and to just give love. And I tried showing my bf the revelation for years… and he saw it just from this movie… I feel that it still doesn’t matter, but I’ll try my best to not give into the void. And that’s ok.
If I had a nickel for everytime a bagel was used as a multiversal effect, i’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice.
If I could have a dollar for every time a bagel defined the fate of the universe, I'd have 2 dollars, which isn't much but it's hilarious that it happens 2 times
After watching spider-verse and this we can conclude that bagels have multi-verse level affects
Its also the symbol for an empty void like the spotted dimension or something
@@krus7. a black hole perhaps? Heh, bagels and black holes
@@jtgd Black holes are natural on the human body. Atleast for one race if you know what I'm sayin
@@krus7. woah there buddy you’re getting a bit too excited
@@krus7. the spot reference
The fact that she sang this in her audition and they kept it - amazing. Stephanie Hsu DESERVES that Oscar.
They asked her to sing it though
@@Arberin she came up with it.
@@mochluvr how did she come up with it if they literally asked her to do it
@@Arberin I think they mean she came up with the tune/specific way to say that line in the audition, instead of the line itself
@@Arberin They asked her to sing, but it was literally on the spot and she came up with the melody without even thinking. That's not easy to do
Bagel = Blackhole. Nothingness. Despair. Giving up
Googly eye = Seeing the good in everything, everything matters, do not give up
And they’re inversions of each other!
Black ring with white in the middle
Compared to
White ring with black in the middle
It's not that everything matters, but what you have right now and the life you have right now matters, it's all you have and that's good enough.
Nothing matters also on the googly eye. That's the point
@@madam-mint I like how the white represents hope almost. In the bagel, you can see white but surrounded and blinded by darkness. The google eye sees the darkness yet turns it into hope
Nothing matters except what you make matter to you
The fact, when I first saw this, I started crying HERE. The fact she was able to summarize such a nihilistic but realistic view on how people see life, how true it is, and then for the movie to both prove her right and wrong… God, this blew my mind.
She showed her the Circumpunct. The Symbol going thru History representing the Fallen Angels and the Enemy of Man. Who we are Currently in a Spritual war against, so it makes sense for her to tell her Everything is Pointless because this goes back to the Philosophy they are trying to indoctrinate everybody with which is New Age. That there is no point to Life that there is no Good or Evil that those are just made up and that we Can be Our Own Gods and make up our Own Reality which is all just a big Pile of crap. They just want us to Walk Away from God and the fact that Humans are Special and that each of us does have a Higher purpose in our lives.
Truee
Nothing matters, but the things that make you genuinely happy.
Yes. Just, yes
i felt like the movie proved her wrong but that's just my personal interpretation
That close-up of Stephanie Hsu is just so...compelling for some reason. Everytime the film cuts to it, I can't even blink
So good!!! The raw emotion, the tears welling up, the lack of blinking, her not zoning out not making direct eye contact.. I was mesmerized
Because you were also sucked into bagel
Really? Seems average tbh
@@nightmare4122Average?? She had some of the most profound lines in this movie
@@nightmare4122 watch the whole movie
The way Stephanie Hsu’s face goes from the emotion of literal disappointment in her eyes and the resentment in her voice as she explains what she put on the bagel, to the vast emptiness melancholy as she says “nothing matters” that alone deserves an Oscar. She’s amazing
Brilliant acting. Just brilliant.
I just noticed the tear coming down her face when she sings at the end. The way she goes from embracing the chaos to slowly showcasing how dead behind the eyes she is to that tear revealing the pain and guilt she claims to have erased is still there in spite of her attempts to warp every reality/universe.
I know her "just let me go" bit towards the movie's end is what most would consider the scene that got her the Oscar nomination, but this scene is what really convinced me of her merit.
Fun fact, all of Joy's looks in the film have similar design around the eyes that resembles tears😭👍🏼💦
@@withedoter6277oh my gosh ty for pointing this out bc i never noticed 😭😭🩷 i find out something new ab this movie everytime!!!
@@calliespltn No problem 👍🏼
There are a lot, for example the melty makeup and pearls around her eyes🥺
I don't think most nihilist genuinely enjoy being nihilists, especially in fiction. She doesn't want to believe nothing matters but with everything she deals with by just existing she's convinced herself that the only way to get rid of her pain is to believe that it's all meaningless. In the end suicidal people don't always really want to kill themselves, that's why they hesitate before they jump or drag the knife. They just need to end their pain and and they've convinced themselves death is their only option.
This whole movie was Joy's personal suicide note, even she admitted that the whole reason she hunted down this version of her mother was because she hoped her mom would see some kind of meaning in Infinity.
If I had two cents every time a bagel played a key role in the fate of the multiverse, I would have four cents. That's not much, but it's weird that it has happened twice.
That's 4 tho💀
It would be 4 cents
@@0wennz shit, my bad.
@@koushikraja331alright Dr. Doof
@@vergilsparda666there spider-verse and this movie soo what are the other 2?
"Hopes and dreams, old report cards" ...this movie resists the so-called high fuctioning smart kid trope so hard and it makes me reflect/gives me life.
It’s my favorite fucking thing.
congrats, we all have ADHD now
@@bennyton2560 ADHD and autism for me wooo!!
so relatable to have so much potential but make nothing of it when you become an adult, so all your achievements from childood are collecting dust and all your parents have to boast about to their friends and family is stuff you accomplished 10, 15 years ago.
The sound design, the way it drops from music to background noise on “ sucked…into….” And the total silence for “…a bagel…” is inspired and magical.
To be fair though, who hasn't sung like this while being utterly depressed? Actress knew what she was on about!
@anetavairight and it’s a lot of scenes that jobu does that strikes fear in me in kind of a good way it’s hard to explain
They snapped this scene is so good
Who would’ve thought that a bagel would be capable of inducing multiversal chaos?
TWICE
@@internetbandit883 I feel like its gonna be atleast 3 times
Bagels for some reason represent pure nothingness 😭
When you’re in a serious depression and watching this movie, it hits you hard and deep.
I dont suffer from depression but I am frustrated with ADHD. This put me into an existential crisis.
It's not just hit. It gives me a false hope of existing of such bagel. I really want it to be real to suck everything. Every fucking thing, including me
It’s feels like I’ve been heard
Same here. I cried so hard. The bagel for me was su1side. I kinda interpreted this way. Oh god
totally agree...
- from Indonesia -
If nothing matters then all the pain and guilt of making nothing of your life...goes away". This line hits me like a truck because I knew that feeling of nothing and being nothing, it's like a void and pain but you're numb to it.
That's very beautifully expressed. Thank you!
💯
@@danielc1810we all are.
It’s pretty much past the point where you feel fearful about death, if you’ve ever been severely depressed
@@jtgd I don't fear death to me it's peace and moving forward into after life. Hoping to see ancestors and family up there and friends too. It's at least how I see it. Nothing can take away pain you may feel going through depression. Everything around you begins to not matter anymore, sometimes you want a way out or into the everything bagel. Yet I find myself trying to make things work when things seem to be a mess in my life. I at least have hope that remains within me even when things can be crappy sometimes.
The fact that the “everything” on the everything bagel includes an “everything bagel” with everything on it, just makes me realize why such a thing would collapse on itself. Because that bagel would also have everything on it - including another everything bagel.
the thought of jobu having to make infinite everything bagels before eventually giving up is hilarious
"you know what, this gets the point across."
A bagel within a bagel.
@@ryansnightmare8417the way you're absolutely right lmaoooo
@@williamdang137 now that you mentioned this, I feel like Joy Wang and Benoit Blanc would be quite the alliance
It's a variation of 'does the set of everything contain itself?' The answer is NO of course. But such a bagel would by necessity need to punch a hole through every universe in the search of one that it can possibly exist in.
This speech is everything, Joy’s actress is just incredible
This scene perfectly encapsulates depression and suicidal ideation. I cry every time I see this because it perfectly resonates with me. I've been in Jobu Tupaki's shoes for so long to know this familiar feeling. That nothing matters. When you reached that point in your life, you'll feel you're ready to end things, you'll let yourself get sucked into a bagel. Someone summarized Jobu Tupaki's real intention in the movie: she's a depressed queer daughter who travels the multiverse to find a version of her mother who would feel what she feels, who would convince her not to go to the everything bagel. I'm glad she found that version of Evelyn. For all of us who feel like being Jobu, I hope we find someone like Evelyn who would make us see that even when nothing matters, you matter to someone else. That even if we only get tiny specks of time of pure happiness, we can learn to cherish them.
It’s about nihilism.
❤
This comment made me tear up
on the verge of tears yet again.
I'm 41 years old from Indonesia, and this comment really hits me deep, because of how deeply relatable it is for me personally. I've got diagnosed with Major Depression back in 2020. To be honest, my life is a complete failure. I feel like a sad pathetic loser that should not exist, & also a waste of space/oxygen. Almost everyday I have what's called a passive suicidal ideation. But people in real life when they see me they think I'm just a "normal" person, who don't deserve to complain nor whine about my "good comfortable privileged life". Little do people know what's really inside my heart & mind deep down inside. This is also why I deeply relate with the character Joy (or Jobu Tupaki). She is nihilistic, pessimistic, cynical, apathetic, depressed, & suicidal. It's sad that most people who've watched this movie probably wouldn't even understand deeply especially about the character Joy (Jobu Tupaki), and the weight & the deeper meanings of all her words. But for (heavily) depressed people, like me, we can deeply understand her.
the way the piano comes in at “nothing matters” is fucking perfect
it's...a violin.
@@90sbaby1 it's... Also piano
@@docl9302 it's.... irrelevant. The violin is strategically high strung and the standout instrument.
@@90sbaby1 Okay, but it does come in. The guy was appreciating how it comes in. You were wrong. 🤔
@@docl9302 I wasn't wrong, the violins are the main instrument. You can barely hear the piano. What else do you want to argue today? 🤔
So you’re telling me there’s people who don’t get how freaking deep is this scene? It’s literally one of my favorite scenes/excerpts in all cinema and literature combined.
I don't get it.
me either explain
Lol the whole movie is deep, I doubt it’s that they don’t how deep it is
Dude im 14 and this is deep
Hunger games
Harry potter
Twilight
Maze runner
I swear, Stephanie Hsu’s singing here makes me MELT every time.
That's what I'm saying I saw it on showtime & it was like no wonder everyone was talking about this
Yeah I literally fap to it everyday. Not even figurative speech.
the one tear as she sings "sucked into the bagel".... she's fantastic
One of the greatest scenes I've ever seen
can't disagree
agree
i keep rewatching and showing to everyone
absolutely
her acting is incredible
Stephanie Hsu should have won an Oscar for this scene alone. Every line delivered with such purpose, the subtle emotion in each inflection. Just wow. She was so incredible in this movie I can’t wait to see what she does next.
When I saw this film in the cinema, I cried at this scene. And here I am in my house, crying again. It really incapsulates he suffocating nothingness I feel in a way nothing else seems to. It's absolutely heartbreaking to have that feeling out in the open to witness, but also very cathartic. The incredible score and Stephanie Hsu's performance hit right at the core of that emotion and make it something true. A difficult feeling, as this kind of emptiness is really difficult to capture without being overwrought, corny or, well, empty. Thanks for uploading the scene.
I absolutely agree... extremely cathartic.
@@RubyLove549 the scene when the mom experienced the multiverse and came to the nothingness view..was cathartic in a way for me.. someone that felt this way..all I could do was hope that somewhere after this scene that this issue would get resolved or relief
Then remember. Don’t attach yourself to “nothing”.
Experience it and let it pass.
Buddhism has been teaching this for millennia.
@@Alusnovalotus This actually helped me feel a bit better. Thank you.
The internet is the bagel, you see all possibilities for your life all at once, that’s why screen time, depression, anxiety is so high these days
I’ve been diving in to psychology, space and philosophy in my free time for years and finally found a movie that encapsulates everything I have been thinking. Does anything really matter and what are we doing here really. For the most part of my life honestly it’s been a lot of pain and suffering, but there have been small pockets and “specks” that made all the suffering up to this point well worth it. Even if those specks were just for a tiny shred of time in the grand scale of my existence. This movie nails it 100 fold so beautifully. Still waiting and hoping for my next speck.
There's a reason why religion exists. I guess there's just too many people that cannot handle the fact that most likely our existence is pointless and has no true meaning. It just is. We just are. That terrifies a lot of people.
I don’t think life needs to have some great meaning, we are specs of dust in the universe, experience what you can, feel everything, then fade into oblivion like everyone else… we have solidarity in that inevitability, don’t beat yourself up thinking you need to change the world, it’s just a slightly larger spec of dust, and theres plenty of narcissistic people to fill that role.
Study Buddhism. It’s basically been doing this for 3 millennia. And it’s found some healthy answers.
To me, those tiny specks of joy and happiness get swallowed up by the suffering, so even feeling those joyful moments can be very painful since I know there is something bad just around the corner to steal that little bit of joy from me. I don't know if it's even worth it to feel those moments of joy at all if they're just going to be taken away from me by something terrible.
Watching this movie, I understood the positive side to nihilism in which we need to find our own meaning in everything, but I can't help but wonder if the things we find meaning in really matter in the grand scheme of things. The way I see it, we all end up dead at the end of everything, so what do our hopes and dreams even matter? There are more negatives in this place than there are positives, so how could those tiny positives mean anything?
I know that everyone's different, not trying to say that my viewpoint is the right one, just saying my piece. I guess I'm just way too much of a negative person due to certain life experiences, but hey, at least this movie made me want to feel that my way of thinking is wrong somehow. That way, the world and it's people won't be as awful as I believe them to be and I might finally be able to see something good to help me stick around for a while longer.
Scientifically speaking, the bagel is the same as life on every spectrum of the multiverse itself. It’s creation is a destruction but also creation. It’s literally a 360 of everything.
What
@@extraterrestrialcontentthey destroy the middle of the bagel to make the bagel a bagel. If not it would be a slab of bread.
First a bagel could destroy the multiverse in this movie
And now, a bagel is behind a super villain origin story and the possible destruction of the multiverse
I think the next time the multiverse is in danger, I’m gonna assume a bagel had something to do with it
Every time Evelyn says “no, Joy, you don’t believe that.” It always gets me.
Basically, this is exactly what I've been told by my parents, when I tried to share some emotions about my existential crisis.
So, I don't speak about feeling with my parents anymore)
The acting is incredible.
You hear her say the words “you don’t believe that”.. but her eyes can’t look away. As if she doesn’t believe her words of comfort.
So glad the Academy took notice.
It’s amazing
@@Pavel.Zhigulin Exactly how my parents and they still do. When I tried to tell them I'm depressed they didn't want to hear it and kept downplaying me. For almost 10 years of my life I'm still depressed with nobody being there for me, and they wonder why I seemed detached from them.
You can easily know she's really depressed
The character herself suffered so much from it and embraced Nihilism.
It's not just because she's seen everything and the truth that she's been suffering so much to a point that she needed to stop caring or she'd be totally crashed by her depression.
Such beautiful writings.
Her entrance will be one of my fav character entrances of all time she way too cool😭
They stole the Oscar from her. She was phenomenal here.
We all know exactly why we’re here.
“This’ll be good for us, Spider-Man.”
This is the "bagel effect"
"I'm gonna crease your J's, Spider-Man"
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yup that's why I'm here
“You hit me with a bagel!”
“Sucked into a bagel”
My jaw was dropped during this. One of the best movies I’ve ever seen.
This scene is just so beautiful!!!! The monologue is so well-written and poetic. Not to mention the incredible delivery Stephanie Hsu gives, she really deserves that Oscar nomination.
If I had a nickle for everytime a bagel destroyed the multiverse, Id have 2 nickels which isn't a lot but it's weird it happened twice
Probably one of the best film antagonists of the last decade (hell, one of the best movies of the last decade, period)
the voice acting and her emotions alone speaks a thousand words, this is so amazing.
Most of us have been in Joy's shoes or still are. It's beautifully relatable. It makes me cry everytime.
That beautiful heavenly instrumentals clashing together with the intake of everything "life" then ... sudden silence ... "sucked intooo ... a bagel" Gosebumps every time .. Amazing scene..
I didn't know bagles had such a cosmic weight to the multiverse
I still can’t fucking believe that she was the only one who didn’t get an Oscar. She was robbed
i watched this movie twice, listened to the entire album and watched it AGAIN and i still wanna see it again after seeing this clip. genuinely obsessed with this movie
Gosh, when she says nothing matters and that violin hits i get goosebumps.
When I watched this, glued to my chair in the theater, I burst out crying like a baby. This movie is so special.
Bagels are now forbidden from the workplace. I've seen enough of what they can do to people
but they create fire plots for movies though I'd say keep them
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I eat bagels for breakfast
Spiderverse, Knives out, EEAAO
About bagels
This is one of the most heartbreaking dialogue exchanges in any movie. I cannot imagine how heart wrenching it must feel to listen to your daughter explain just how hopeless she feels. You poured your everything into that child and it was so much that it all collapsed and all thats left is a deep unending void.
Emagine if the spot found out about this
I love how she sings: "Sucked into a bagel."
This scene makes my cry every time. Such a powerful performer and an amazing film. Best film of 2022.
been depressed, just watched this and started weeping. damn smth about the score, the visuals.... and then the wheelchair hehehehe
Bagel stock prices have hit their highest since 1756
"Nothing matters"
I never thought my entire view of the world and my place in it could be described by a bagel. But here we are.
The line delivery between both characters are so perfect. mainly after the bagel is revealed and the violin kicks in
Bruh I'm crying over a bagel, it's perfect.
"You hit me with a bagel!"
Holy crap, why is it that a bagel always ends up destroying the universe.
'I got bored one day, and put everything on a bagel'
You know, as one does.
1:08 the fact that this bagel even looks like the spot is crazy to me because we saw the first trailer of across the spiderverse in dec 2021 its the best coincidence to be ever happened
Incredible, I had to look up this scene. Thank you for posting.
She's probably the most relatable villain out there
Nothing matters more than everything. That's why everything matters
Before watching this movie I had no idea "sucked into a bagel" could be such a chilling line.
What the hell is with bagels and the multiverse
B A G E L
bagels
*B A G E L*
If it works, then Doctor Strange's MoM would have been better with a bagel in it.
Congratulations Stephanie!! On your Oscar nomination
You deserve it
Finally Golden Globes literally snubbed her.
The actress who played Joy/Jobu Tupaki is really talented , she has a bright future ahead of her.
The way how she played Joy for the emotional moment’s was beautifully done , and Jobu Tupaki for the badass moment’s was cinematically well done.
One of my favorite scenes ever. Especially the singing at the end.
That bagel really did hit the spot
Both literally and figuratively.
Stop.
He took a BAGEL!
I love Jamie Lee Curtis, but Stephanie Hsu was obviously robbed of an Oscar
Truth
People always assume that this nihilism is something bad and destructive but in this era where anxiety and rush from everywhere can make a mess in our heads, It's a little bit peacefull to think that...Hey, nothing really matters that much.
Joy: "Sucked into a bagel"
Spot: "You threw a bagel at me!"
fucking incredible. Like that singsongy way a mom or an auntie would say let's get our seatbelts on, or we're going to the shops. But dark. Nothing matters tra laa laa. Just super relatable.
Get chills every time I see this scene. Felt like the movie suddenly got very serious from here despite its absurdity.
What's with bagels being involved in multiverse level threats lol
Based on a theory of how black holes are created. Enough mass and energy that collapses in on itself creates a bagel-like shape
we should really stop eating bagels
How did this scene not make her win the oscar
I love the framing of the shots at the start, where Evelyn is pushed into a corner of the shot with Joy taking up most of the space
I loved the first thing everyone unanimously thought was "the bagal" from this.
Woah. The sound is amazing with headphones. I had only seen this twice in theatre before. Thank you, I can't wait to watch it again by myself
Even bigger tears. Yep
the first bagel effect
I can't even look at a still of this scene when she says "nothing matters" and then when she sings that weird little song without bawling my eyes out. A scene etched into cinematic history, on par with Morpheus handing Neo the red pill or Darth Vader asking Luke to join the dark side. People will talk of this for decades to come.
i was silently sob crying while watching this with my mom. god
This is where the suprise tears start, and continue for the rest of the movie. And then some.
Very unexpected. And beautiful.
this bagel is a multiversal threat across every universe. proven by spiderverse
And Owl House
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It even looks like The Spot, if you include the white glow?
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One of those movies I don’t have much words for. Just an emotional powerhouse. It speaks for itself. It’s everything.
Yeah Stephanie deserved that Oscar
I'm 41 years old from Indonesia, and this scene really hits me deep, because of how deeply relatable it is for me personally. I've got diagnosed with Major Depression back in 2020. To be honest, my life is a complete failure. I feel like a sad pathetic loser that should not exist, & also a waste of space/oxygen. Almost everyday I have what's called a passive suicidal ideation. But people in real life when they see me they think I'm just a "normal" person, who don't deserve to complain nor whine about my "good comfortable privileged life". Little do people know what's really inside my heart & mind deep down inside. This is also why I deeply relate with the character Joy (or Jobu Tupaki). She is nihilistic, pessimistic, cynical, apathetic, depressed, & suicidal. It's sad that most people who've watched this movie probably wouldn't even understand deeply especially about the character Joy (Jobu Tupaki), and the weight & the deeper meanings of all her words. But for (heavily) depressed people, like me, we can deeply understand her.
The close up scene of Stephanie Hsu deserves an OSCAR...sadly she's been overshadowed by the intense campaigning of Jamie Lee Curtis...I hope Stephanie prevails Oscar night although it seems impossible...Kerry Condon and Angela Bassett are also contenders...
I totally agree. It still boggles my mind that there were two best supporting actresses nominations for the same freakin’ movie! And I knew Stephanie Hsu was gonna have it hard to go up against Jamie Lee Curtis, who did great in the film and has had decades more of films in her career yet not even the same level as Stephanie’s acting in the film. Still proud of her and the success of the film, but I’d be lying if I said I didn’t want to see Hsu getting that Oscar. Still, I hope to see her doing more incredible things in the future.
This movie is my entire life… I never thought I’d see a movie that depicts the struggles of everyday life.. and I learned to love and to just give love. And I tried showing my bf the revelation for years… and he saw it just from this movie… I feel that it still doesn’t matter, but I’ll try my best to not give into the void. And that’s ok.
to live is to suffer , to survive is to find some meaning in the suffering .
This scene makes me sad. I can really relate to that emptiness.
If I had a nickel for everytime a bagel was used as a multiversal effect, i’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice.
Jobu Tupaki: Sucked into a bagel
Spot: You hit me with a bagel!
This was the bagel The Spot was hit with
She really deserved Oscar for this
She's a really really good actress
I still don't understand how Stephanie didn't win the Oscar for this performance, she absolutely carried this movie
If I could have a dollar for every time a bagel defined the fate of the universe, I'd have 2 dollars, which isn't much but it's hilarious that it happens 2 times
I cried through her whole monologue then laughed the moment she sung a bagel 😂 I looked like I was going through a withdrawal from drugs lol