@@klausschneider1045 Well nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition. I stopped being surprised by these modern producers after they pitch corrected and auto tuned Queen’s performance at the Rainbow. This is why I hate the “modern” music scene, as it is run by unmusical dunderheads
My friend was the audio engineer on American Idol for 2 years. All pitch corrected according to him…..with the exception of the ones they wanted to pick on.
There are pitch correction on all the voice. I had a chat with one judge a while back, and that judge said it was frustrating that they heard the right voice, but the tv show had a corrected version. So when the judge complaind about pitch out of tune, we could not here it on the show, because the corrected it on the tv output, but not for the judges.
That’s so stupid! The only reason I’d want to watch a show like that is to see how the raw talent develops. There’s no way of knowing that with pitch correction.
@@MsAppassionata The singers usually do not actually develop much in these few months the show runs. That is just some story they tell the audience to give the audience a storyline to get them hooked on the show and get them to believe something meaningful is happening in front of their eyes. It's tv. Some people just get aproached to sing in it and that they will get far/win. It's reality-tv.
Well, they have to compete with all those unlabeled independent "artists" dropping overproduced cheap rabit in a hat trick tunes maybe. Music industry is just a pain in the arse.
It should be called the " Mechanical Voice." I agree with you Fil, why pitch correct someone who has a good voice, especially on a show called The Voice ! Where does this rabbit 🐇 hole end ! Keep calling this out ! Great analysis!
It's a metallic, echo-ey sound. Once you hear it you can't un-hear it. It's the reason I can't watch "live" performances on tv anymore. Makes my brain itch, literally.
I wouldn't say auto tuning is destroying the art of singing. Any contestant who gets through even a couple rounds in the competition is performing the "art of singing" at a high level. I think the damage auto tune is doing is that it's inhibiting people's appreciation for "natural, authentic" singing.
Until I started watching your channel I didn't realise it was pitch correction I could hear in songs, I thought it was just my oldish ears that didn't like the sound, all I hear is a Mechanical vibrating sound which makes me wince, really enjoy you showing the reality of it, I have to admit the amount of time you winced in this one made me smile 🤣
“This is a surprise”, said no one ever. Another reason why I mostly listen to vocalists from the eras before PC ruined things. Thanks for another great analysis, Fil 👍🏻
Don't worry, not all modern singers use pitch correction, and 'real' music is alive and well outside of the major acts! I listen to a lot of independent pop musicians, just a few steps away from the mainstream, as well as jazz, folk and classical artists and none of them use pitch correction. It's not hard to find good modeen music if you look! Bandcamp is a great place to search them out 😊
I’m so glad for your videos. I kept wondering why every performance on tv annoys me. Now you have confirmed my thoughts that everyone sings perfectly because of manipulation, and I like to here natural voices and all their little imperfections.
I went to a live show that had Darren Hayes from Savage Garden. Electrical malfunction happened and there was no mikes. He used a battery operated Mike and sang A-cappella …. It was stunning. Incredible performance. I was sad when they repaired the problem. Another example is The BeeGees. They were awesome.
@@ChristChickAutisticfor me, the frustration is that great vocalists allow industry leaders to mess with their voices. Hence my non-buying rule means I'm paying for talent, not auto-tune.
@@voulafisentzidis8830 I understand. I grew up in the Golden Age of the 70s, 80s, and 90s, in that I was blessed. I'm also a singer who has worked very hard on my instrument and it's very disheartening to see people with naturally gifted voices to have their instrument tarnished with Autotune, as well as people who are gifted with great good looks but subpar voices become celebrities. It's not a good look for anyone.
Combining you and Rick Beato is like taking a master class in music appreciation! I have learned SO MUCH from watching you two experts. I listen to music in a completely different way now. Fortunately for me I'm old enough that my tastes run mostly to Dino Rock and Dino Folk, so I don't have to put up with this trickery, but it sure makes appreciating newer music a bit of a minefield. Thanks so much for the ongoing education. Keep it up as I'm sure there is still much to learn!
I also watch Rick Beato and Fil. Both are masters in analyzing music. My husband was a professional musician who toured the world, he died last year. He used to tell me I had the ears of a dog because I could hear every nuance. We used to watch both of these gentlemen and always appreciated their immense talent.
I'm romanian and I can say this happened a few times on blind auditions for The Voice of Romania. It's one of the reasons I've stopped watching a few years back. What's interesting is that the contestants that had their voice corrected were the ones that ended up winning the show!
@@luigig6256 I doubt in these "Voice-Shows" they do in other countries it would be anybody else who wins than those they chose, pitch corrected or not. It is a theatre play, not a competition.
Could have told you this years ago. Same with the Got Talent shows, not only are they post processing the performances, they are writing scripts for contestants to follow to manipulate viewers emotionally.
Absolutely, BGT is a completely manufactured shows. Artists are sourced from around the world and scenarios created to suit the shows narrative. I know an artist invited on solely to be the fall guy for a similar artist. Just so the judges could do a "look this is now it should be done" comparison. I've recently seen a audition show in which one of the plucky young contenders was already a world champion! Enjoy them for what they are but don't for 1 minute think it's an open competition.
During COVID, American Idol had the contestants performing from home for at least part of the season. It was ridiculous...it was like a music video for each of them. It was so obvious that it wasn't live. I even spotted a continuity error with one of them. It showed his guitar strap on top of his collar...2 seconds later it cut back, and the strap was under his collar. I'm sure all of these shows have been fake from day one, but we now have the knowledge and tools to catch them. Great channel.
My niece went to audition for American Idol when she was 18. They drove a very long way for it. She was so excited. They were standing in line, and a couple of producers were walking through the line, and picking out contestants buy pointing them out. Choose them without hearing a note. She cried all the way home. It was a very hard drive home for my brother and his wife as well. It's all fake.
@@diannawalker758 My son also went for an audition last one for the day but didn't make it but got some excellent feedback. I am so glad he didnt get sucked into the machine. He doesn't need a comp for validation.
I absolutely HATE pitch correction and autotune!! (Same way I hate the electronic emulation of a Hammond B3) The subtle variations in a natural singing voice is what makes them worth listening to. I used to do stage monitor mixing, and I also despised excessive EQ, and it was a balancing act to EQ out ringing and feedback without affecting things too much. I rarely used any of the effects my rack had either. As for shows like this....the producers should be considered as fraudsters for presenting ANY processing on the voices of ANY performer. Period, full stop.
It’s not just this show, the voice program all over the world does this. The artist often don’t have any say in it. You are right about what the judges hear (not from personal experience but from folks who have been a part of the show, as artists and audience members). It is sad that the producers do this to everyone
This comparison truly makes it clear that the human voice and human ear work in tandem. Music (vocals, specifically) affects us as it does because of the variation in pitch, ever so slightly, as our brains work to decipher it. We are "forced" to "marry" the material. When software makes it "perfect" it removes that processing by the brain so that it actually affects us LESS emotionally, not more, because we aren't processing it the same way. We are less engaged. We're hearing it but we're no longer listening. They are truly doing the performers - and audience - a disservice.
Additional pro tip to Fil's pro tip: They make earplugs designed for concerts and shows that bring the decibels down a few levels for safety but also make the music sound great.
Great video sir. It just shows how far this has gone. I was an X Factor contestant back in 2004. It's not something I generally dwell upon as it's so long ago. But now at least I am happy to say that this stuff wasn't going on back then and that our voices went out exactly as they were on the night. The people who apply this pitch correction have backed themselves in to a corner with this.A few years ago, I wouldn't have thought they would bother pitch correcting something like this. As you say, it totally defeats the point of the competition. But we're getting to the point where no natural vocal will be allowed to be heard on TV or radio.
Brilliant analysis, Fil. It got me thinking about the phenomenon we're seeing among young people who are in large numbers gravitating toward 80's and 90's music via music streaming services. Maybe there they intuit the truer emotions and honesty coming from musicians using their true voices, and on the other hand, see through or hear through the blandness of machine-manipulated voices which is now all the rage.
What a sweet, warm voice! So sad it was destroyed on The Voice. I like the word you used - movement. The natural voice has movement, and movement means Life.
@Wings of Pegasus, Fil, great analysis! What absolutely amazes me is how good your voice is. You can hit the notes, but more importantly, demonstrate what the artists are doing with their voices. I know you’re a rocker, but really, you can do any genre.
Fil, I don't watch "The Voice" here in the States, and am unfamiliar with any other versions of it. However, I always enjoy any analysis that you do. So, thank you for that! On a sad note, last week we lost the lead singer of The ShangriLas, Mary Weiss, which saddened me terribly. We were about the same age when they started out..I was a freshman in high school. SO many WONDERFUL memories of 1964, when their unique sound burst on the music horizon. Anything you might consider featuring the group in a future analysis would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, and, stay safe and sane, etc. Love and hugs. Rosemarie ❤
The manipulation of live performances on talent shows is most apparent in perfomance art where dance performances are ALWAYS subjected to heavy editing (including slowing down and speeding up sequences for dramatic effect). If the current collection of talent competitions are willing to tinker with live performance art, they are not going to think twice about pitch correcting a vocal performance. I realize that The Voice only features vocalists, so performance art does not apply, but all modern talent shows come from the same reality-show mindset & scripted presentation aesthetic. Thank you (I think) for confirming my suspicions on this performance which I had seen previously in a compilation. And props for highlighting the singer's ACTUAL talents.
Ugh, I’m actually not surprised about this. I despise these talent reality shows. I wish I were more optimistic like you, but between pitch correction and AI, I think our entire world is going to be fake before we realize it. Fantastic analysis, Fil! 🙌👏🤘
Thanks! I find these vocal analysis videos so interesting! I can see the changes in pitch and vibrato that I find so beautiful in these singers. The good ones often seem to move up to and around the notes and those are often my favorite parts of the song. I didn’t really know what it was that I found so appealing before. One of my favorite bands was abba. They did a song called chiquititta that is nice. There are some live versions out there. It might be fun to check that song out .
This was the Romanian Voice, and yet I almost understood the first judge since Romanian is a Latin language and very similar to French. I have a guitar player friend married to a Romanian, and I looked through a tourist book she had and was amazed at the resemblance. Very good analysis and good insight into the possible motives. We live in Cowellian times.
What would you think if I sang out of tune? Would you stand up and walk out on me? Lend me your ears and I'll sing you a song And I'll try not to sing out of key Oh, I get by with a little help from Pitch Correction Mm, I get high with a little help from Pitch Correction Mm, gonna try with a little help from Pitch Correction (revised Beatles tune)
I am so proud of myself….I HEARD THE PITCH CORRECTION on that first extended note before Fil called it out! It had a “metallic” sound. I think I am developing a “trained ear”. 😁
Me too! Fil's videos have me watching and listening to all kinds of music and guitar playing. I was even watching an episode of Andy Griffith and he was playing his guitar. Found myself looking for "fills" in his left hand. 😆
My incredible late Mom, who sang beautifully her entire life, would just immediately say "Merciful Minerva!!!" It's unbelievable that they would do this on a singing competition show!!! Thanks again SOO MUCH for all you share with us so graciously!!
@@Johnc259 Thanks for the kind words! I'm missing both of my parents, but my mom in particular. She was brilliant...a member of MENSA, but wouldn't ever have dared to tell anybody outside our immediate family because she wouldn't want to appear to be bragging about her intelligence. My dad died super young (51) as a result of general anesthesia, but my mom died 5 years ago. It feels like yesterday. She was so wise and compassionate...my goal is that the way I live my life managing serious & progressive diseases somehow would make both of them proud. I don't allow any anger or bitterness, because if I chose to have a negative and ugly attitude towards it I KNOW that Id be even more ill than I already am. My dad sang his entire life as well, and they often sang together. They both sang solos, duets, trios, quartets, as well as choirs. As for me, I sing all the time...but only alone. I don't feel like I have a good enough voice to sing when other people might hear me. And yes, my mom in particular had lots of odd little sayings, etc. She heard them growing up, and they just stuck with me!
Taking this opportunity to suggest a different kind of comparison, between two certainly not pitch-corrected examples of Judy Collins singing Amazing Grace, at age 83 in 2022 at the Shrewsbury Folk Festival and at age 37 at a Boston Pops live event in 1976. While there's a noticeable difference it's still remarkable she can still manage this and it would be interesting to see on the pitch monitor.--Jerry
I wish you could do one on the show "The Masked Singer." I think there are different versions depending on the country. But since finding your channel, I swear I can hear when the producers pitch correct so the person sounds better. And oddly (I'm sure on purpose), one performance will sound great, but the next performance is awful. Not having-a-bad-day awful, but can't-sing-a-note awful. While I love the show, and the fun is trying to figure out who is under the "mask," I can't help but be a bit salty that the show isn't honest with the viewers.
ABSOLUTELY brilliant insight (end section of video) into the emotional value of sharp pitching...the Question / answer explanation.?..wonderful....i don't know anybody else who has consciously outlined this power of REAL human expression....
Very funny the way your explanation made me think the judges are a panel of dogs. "if they like the voice they press a button". Very cute experiment. I need to invent more lore for this.
That was some performance and disappointing regarding the use of pitch correction. Great analysis as always pointing out the details on the pitch monitor and glad you added in the original by MJ. 😊🎸🎵
Also, I think you’ve talked about this before, but the biggest issue with pitch correction is that natural instruments are not necessarily, including human voices, tuned to equal temperament, but more likely to overtones which won’t match 12 equal intervals.
As far as I know, only the live portions of the Voice, after the auditions, duels and knockouts are done. Which makes sense, since live is... Well, live. Still, I'm not a fan of that because they add autotune to some vocalist who don't need it at all, and it ruins their performance and expression.
Great video. I've really enjoyed your videos, and this is why -- When you listen to someone sing you want to hear their voice, not some machine and you point it out. If you want a mechanical voice ok, but it's sort of like texting. My wife and I always told our children "Don't get upset over a text that you think is offensive, as there's no emotion in it. It may just be a sarcastic remark and not really meant the way you 'read' it." I want to know if a guy/girl can sing, and sometimes those quirks of someone's voice is what makes their song interesting.
The jagged bits are the soul, the bit that just gets your heart, pitch correction just takes the soul out of the voice. Your vids are such an education,. Thank you.
I can only admire your consistent effort through years to show us the seriousness of the problem! PC used in talent exhibition is the next level, though.
OMG let's now call the show "The Foice" or something... Anywise I really appreciate your thorough explanation on the art of not just being pitch perfect. Made perfect sense!
you mention the emotion of the vocals, how so so true. It is impossible separate the two. If you can not covey the emotions then I cant see people clinging to an artist. That's why I love this girl, she is incredible. The emotion is this just blew me away, my chest filled with pride and cried like a baby she left nothing on the table Putri Ariani STUNS with "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For" by U2 | Qualifiers
This is so disappointing to think from now with every singer, every performance will either be pitched corrected or auto tune or both! However I do thank you for taking the time to bring this out to the public. People should know about this manipulation taking place in the music industry.
what a ridiculous situation.... part of the enjoyment of watching and listening to the voice is to hear new talent and make your own judgement of the contestants ability, The judges hear it and the studio audience why the hell cant we...blady hell Fil there seems to be no end to this nonsense. thanks for exposing it
😮 I had watched the pitch corrected version a few times, months back. Your analysis explains that weird sound I had heard and questioned when I listened. Still thought he was a good singer.
As much as I love Fil's content, I am constantly even more blown away by his singing talent. I've heard him beautifully mimic countless voices both male and female.
This used to be a really fun channel, analysing the music and performances, very informative. Now it's obsessed with pitch correction and auto tune stuff. good luck
We didn't just see it, we could hear it - the difference. Or what I myself could notice, that was that I was moved by the the second, uncorrected, but not by the first version, maybe because I don't even have an ear for pitch, only for emotion. Interesting! 😀 Fil, you are amazing! Of course The Voice is a promise that it is about the voice, and the natural voice only! What a scam, and what a deception of the artists!
Fil, when you start „And there we have it“ and your smile appears… then I must smile, too. Meanwhile I‘ve seen a few of your precise analyses and it‘s plain to see what your „and there we have it“ and, most important, your expression of all these pitch corrected songs means. How I love to go back to my teenage years and the good songs of the 60ies, 70ies, even 80ies !!!
I have no musical knowledge; however your analysis is so good it draws me in. Consequently, I end up watching the whole video, even though I don’t really understand most of it. Thanks for sharing your musical knowledge.
Hey Fil... many thanks for your videos on this increasingly common problem. You have opened my eyes to just how bad things are in terms of manipulation of old recordings etc. Makes me wonder about services like Spotify etc. And if they "enhance" the music they put onto their service.
Hi Fil, Interesting analysis, I heard the mechanical sounding voice correction right away. It is a shame that this is being done to a singer’s voice. And I think you are right that when we see the judges react to the first line, they already have a preconceived emotional response. Because the song is an MJ song and he was such a beloved musical figure. They barely give this guy a chance to sing the song. A good one to look at, and great job explaining everything that was going on! You Are The Best! Debbie☮️
I appreciate some angst in my music. I want to hear all that pain - makes it relatable. Otherwise, why am I listening? I used to watch The Voice, but it got old, and honestly, I think I was watching it more for the coaches' interaction than for the actual singers. There are very few of the singers that I still remember.
Please check America's Got Talent where Richard Goodall got the golden buzzer. It seems also pitch corrected. I isolated the voice and played it with the pitch monitor (same as yours) and all the vocals were spot on the lines.
I’m curious about real-time pitch correction, as opposed to post-performance correction. Is that a ‘thing’ too? I expect that you’ve addressed this subsidiary question somewhere, although I suppose it would be difficult to differentiate between a concert performance corrected in real time versus correction after the fact. Please let me know, as I expect many other occasional viewers/listeners would like to know too.
Thank you! PC vs natural comparison! Bang on job. Thank you again. This is exactly what I'm looking for in PC vs non-PC analysis. What can we, your audience, do to help you research and find more examples, if anything? Please let us know.
There are like 142 different countries that have this show in 7 different formats for seniors etc, it has been speculated that there is pitch correction in post, but I wonder how many of these shows do it and if it is done in the blinds, battle rounds, knock out's and live rounds?
One "yes, I want you" vote, means the contestant has that one only choice for a coach, two or more "yes', I want you" votes means they can choose between the ones that voted for them.
I just watched your comparison of Frank Sinatra and Dean Martin's singing styles for "Let It Snow." They make the song their own with their deliveries of being flat, sharp, or right on the notes. You get a real sense of their styles and abilities to know just how far up or down from the note to go to sound great. So, this pitch correction craze is taking away a singer's artistic sense and emotion of a song--detracting from a singer's innate talent, if they've got it. What a shame. Thanks, Fil, for an informative analysis. I really wish you could find time to do more of your own music too. You're a pretty talented guy yourself.
These producers are doing a disservice to someone who can actually sing.
It is an absolute disgrace
Totally agree
What the heck did you expect more - the absence of manipulation in this show or the spanish inquisition behind the coal shed?
@@klausschneider1045 Well nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition.
I stopped being surprised by these modern producers after they pitch corrected and auto tuned Queen’s performance at the Rainbow.
This is why I hate the “modern” music scene, as it is run by unmusical dunderheads
So true. And, so sad.
My friend was the audio engineer on American Idol for 2 years. All pitch corrected according to him…..with the exception of the ones they wanted to pick on.
Classy.
There are pitch correction on all the voice. I had a chat with one judge a while back, and that judge said it was frustrating that they heard the right voice, but the tv show had a corrected version. So when the judge complaind about pitch out of tune, we could not here it on the show, because the corrected it on the tv output, but not for the judges.
I thought they might be doing that
Well that totally matched my theory! Thanks for sharing that insight
That’s so stupid! The only reason I’d want to watch a show like that is to see how the raw talent develops. There’s no way of knowing that with pitch correction.
@@MsAppassionata The singers usually do not actually develop much in these few months the show runs. That is just some story they tell the audience to give the audience a storyline to get them hooked on the show and get them to believe something meaningful is happening in front of their eyes. It's tv. Some people just get aproached to sing in it and that they will get far/win. It's reality-tv.
Well, they have to compete with all those unlabeled independent "artists" dropping overproduced cheap rabit in a hat trick tunes maybe. Music industry is just a pain in the arse.
It should be called the " Mechanical Voice." I agree with you Fil, why pitch correct someone who has a good voice, especially on a show called The Voice ! Where does this rabbit 🐇 hole end ! Keep calling this out ! Great analysis!
W.T.F. So lucky to have grown musically up in the 60's, 70's and 80's.
It's a metallic, echo-ey sound. Once you hear it you can't un-hear it. It's the reason I can't watch "live" performances on tv anymore. Makes my brain itch, literally.
How does an itching brain feel and how do you scratch it? lol
@@lauraallen55 what relives mine is listening to real music without Autotune.
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It's very disappointing, it's misleading and false, hate it ! The industry is destroying the art of singing. Keep up the great work Fil 👍🏻
I wouldn't say auto tuning is destroying the art of singing. Any contestant who gets through even a couple rounds in the competition is performing the "art of singing" at a high level. I think the damage auto tune is doing is that it's inhibiting people's appreciation for "natural, authentic" singing.
@@Code9they said the industry is destroying the art of singing.
Until I started watching your channel I didn't realise it was pitch correction I could hear in songs, I thought it was just my oldish ears that didn't like the sound, all I hear is a Mechanical vibrating sound which makes me wince, really enjoy you showing the reality of it, I have to admit the amount of time you winced in this one made me smile 🤣
your ears are fine, is just this butchering going on… cheers!
“This is a surprise”, said no one ever. Another reason why I mostly listen to vocalists from the eras before PC ruined things. Thanks for another great analysis, Fil 👍🏻
Except they are retroactively pitch-correcting those old singers as well!
@@SeanFication True but thankfully I already own it
Don't worry, not all modern singers use pitch correction, and 'real' music is alive and well outside of the major acts! I listen to a lot of independent pop musicians, just a few steps away from the mainstream, as well as jazz, folk and classical artists and none of them use pitch correction. It's not hard to find good modeen music if you look! Bandcamp is a great place to search them out 😊
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Yeah. I still have my vinyl collections.
@@sassyrobin420 Nice! I still have some but wish I’d kept them all. Downsizing error 😬
I’m so glad for your videos. I kept wondering why every performance on tv annoys me. Now you have confirmed my thoughts that everyone sings perfectly because of manipulation, and I like to here natural voices and all their little imperfections.
Me Too! :)
Take a look at Martin Kosovec, 18 years "old", the winner of The voice of Croatia, singing Fall in love from Tom Jones.
hear*
I went to a live show that had Darren Hayes from Savage Garden. Electrical malfunction happened and there was no mikes. He used a battery operated Mike and sang A-cappella …. It was stunning. Incredible performance. I was sad when they repaired the problem. Another example is The BeeGees. They were awesome.
Very true, Darren Hayes has a magnificent voice with no need for Autotune.
@@ChristChickAutisticfor me, the frustration is that great vocalists allow industry leaders to mess with their voices. Hence my non-buying rule means I'm paying for talent, not auto-tune.
@@voulafisentzidis8830 I understand. I grew up in the Golden Age of the 70s, 80s, and 90s, in that I was blessed. I'm also a singer who has worked very hard on my instrument and it's very disheartening to see people with naturally gifted voices to have their instrument tarnished with Autotune, as well as people who are gifted with great good looks but subpar voices become celebrities. It's not a good look for anyone.
Steve Perry!
Steve Perry!
Combining you and Rick Beato is like taking a master class in music appreciation! I have learned SO MUCH from watching you two experts. I listen to music in a completely different way now. Fortunately for me I'm old enough that my tastes run mostly to Dino Rock and Dino Folk, so I don't have to put up with this trickery, but it sure makes appreciating newer music a bit of a minefield.
Thanks so much for the ongoing education. Keep it up as I'm sure there is still much to learn!
I also watch Rick Beato and Fil. Both are masters in analyzing music. My husband was a professional musician who toured the world, he died last year. He used to tell me I had the ears of a dog because I could hear every nuance. We used to watch both of these gentlemen and always appreciated their immense talent.
Absolutely. That is the same combination I use to get the music theory on any performance.
Me too
I'm romanian and I can say this happened a few times on blind auditions for The Voice of Romania. It's one of the reasons I've stopped watching a few years back. What's interesting is that the contestants that had their voice corrected were the ones that ended up winning the show!
You’re right, what’s the point? Might as well call it ‘The Chosen’.
@@luigig6256 I doubt in these "Voice-Shows" they do in other countries it would be anybody else who wins than those they chose, pitch corrected or not.
It is a theatre play, not a competition.
Those published videos of the finalists get polished up to let them shine a little brighter.
Fil..always impressed by your singing skill....it's great...
Thanks!
@@wingsofpegasus Please, take a look at Martin Kosovec, 18 years "old", the winner of the Voice of Croatia, singing Fall in love from Tom Jones.
Echt so
Could have told you this years ago. Same with the Got Talent shows, not only are they post processing the performances, they are writing scripts for contestants to follow to manipulate viewers emotionally.
That figures.
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Absolutely, BGT is a completely manufactured shows. Artists are sourced from around the world and scenarios created to suit the shows narrative. I know an artist invited on solely to be the fall guy for a similar artist. Just so the judges could do a "look this is now it should be done" comparison.
I've recently seen a audition show in which one of the plucky young contenders was already a world champion!
Enjoy them for what they are but don't for 1 minute think it's an open competition.
I was told by a TV professional (in the next bed in hospital !) 'never believe anything you see on television'.
'Reality Show' is an oxymoron "!
During COVID, American Idol had the contestants performing from home for at least part of the season. It was ridiculous...it was like a music video for each of them. It was so obvious that it wasn't live. I even spotted a continuity error with one of them. It showed his guitar strap on top of his collar...2 seconds later it cut back, and the strap was under his collar. I'm sure all of these shows have been fake from day one, but we now have the knowledge and tools to catch them. Great channel.
My niece went to audition for American Idol when she was 18. They drove a very long way for it. She was so excited. They were standing in line, and a couple of producers were walking through the line, and picking out contestants buy pointing them out. Choose them without hearing a note. She cried all the way home. It was a very hard drive home for my brother and his wife as well. It's all fake.
Damn, his voice is gorgeous without any correction! This needs to stop. Thanks Fil! Still learning so much.
@@diannawalker758 My son also went for an audition last one for the day but didn't make it but got some excellent feedback. I am so glad he didnt get sucked into the machine. He doesn't need a comp for validation.
This is fabulous! I want to listen to human beings rather than machines. And you are right, he is great without the pitch correction.
I absolutely HATE pitch correction and autotune!! (Same way I hate the electronic emulation of a Hammond B3) The subtle variations in a natural singing voice is what makes them worth listening to. I used to do stage monitor mixing, and I also despised excessive EQ, and it was a balancing act to EQ out ringing and feedback without affecting things too much. I rarely used any of the effects my rack had either.
As for shows like this....the producers should be considered as fraudsters for presenting ANY processing on the voices of ANY performer. Period, full stop.
It’s not just this show, the voice program all over the world does this. The artist often don’t have any say in it. You are right about what the judges hear (not from personal experience but from folks who have been a part of the show, as artists and audience members). It is sad that the producers do this to everyone
The new name for the show could be: Fake Voice USA, Sham Voice, Is This a Voice?
This comparison truly makes it clear that the human voice and human ear work in tandem. Music (vocals, specifically) affects us as it does because of the variation in pitch, ever so slightly, as our brains work to decipher it. We are "forced" to "marry" the material. When software makes it "perfect" it removes that processing by the brain so that it actually affects us LESS emotionally, not more, because we aren't processing it the same way. We are less engaged. We're hearing it but we're no longer listening. They are truly doing the performers - and audience - a disservice.
Yes well said! A subtle disconnection from our humanity the matrix mind control!
Additional pro tip to Fil's pro tip: They make earplugs designed for concerts and shows that bring the decibels down a few levels for safety but also make the music sound great.
Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
Great video sir. It just shows how far this has gone. I was an X Factor contestant back in 2004. It's not something I generally dwell upon as it's so long ago. But now at least I am happy to say that this stuff wasn't going on back then and that our voices went out exactly as they were on the night. The people who apply this pitch correction have backed themselves in to a corner with this.A few years ago, I wouldn't have thought they would bother pitch correcting something like this. As you say, it totally defeats the point of the competition. But we're getting to the point where no natural vocal will be allowed to be heard on TV or radio.
"Eat ze bugs und shut ze mouse! Transhumanism vil rool"
Brilliant analysis, Fil. It got me thinking about the phenomenon we're seeing among young people who are in large numbers gravitating toward 80's and 90's music via music streaming services. Maybe there they intuit the truer emotions and honesty coming from musicians using their true voices, and on the other hand, see through or hear through the blandness of machine-manipulated voices which is now all the rage.
So sad we have come to this...cheers for your hard work Fil !!
What a sweet, warm voice! So sad it was destroyed on The Voice. I like the word you used - movement. The natural voice has movement, and movement means Life.
@Wings of Pegasus, Fil, great analysis! What absolutely amazes me is how good your voice is. You can hit the notes, but more importantly, demonstrate what the artists are doing with their voices. I know you’re a rocker, but really, you can do any genre.
Thanks!
Yeah, the strange thing is that they are even pitch correcting fantastic singers who don't need any help. Madness.
Well Fil when you went into “what about….” ; i would have hit my buzzer for you! 😄. Thanks for the great analysis!
Pitch correction on an amature show??? Good heavens!! I always thought these shows were fake Thanks, Fil.
Thanks so much for pointing this out (again.) There (sadly) are virtually no television programs that don't process voices at this point.
His natural vocal was so good and sounded so much better…. Such a shame
Fil, I don't watch "The Voice" here in the States, and am unfamiliar with any other versions of it. However, I always enjoy any analysis that you do. So, thank you for that! On a sad note, last week we lost the lead singer of The ShangriLas, Mary Weiss, which saddened me terribly. We were about the same age when they started out..I was a freshman in high school. SO many WONDERFUL memories of 1964, when their unique sound burst on the music horizon. Anything you might consider featuring the group in a future analysis would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, and, stay safe and sane, etc. Love and hugs. Rosemarie ❤
Unreal... should be scandalous. Thanks for bringing this to light.
A friend worked on the first NZ Idol....he's an audio engineer and he was told to make different singers sound good or bad!
The manipulation of live performances on talent shows is most apparent in perfomance art where dance performances are ALWAYS subjected to heavy editing (including slowing down and speeding up sequences for dramatic effect). If the current collection of talent competitions are willing to tinker with live performance art, they are not going to think twice about pitch correcting a vocal performance. I realize that The Voice only features vocalists, so performance art does not apply, but all modern talent shows come from the same reality-show mindset & scripted presentation aesthetic.
Thank you (I think) for confirming my suspicions on this performance which I had seen previously in a compilation. And props for highlighting the singer's ACTUAL talents.
Its why i prefer old rock with all its imperfections that give songs character
Ugh, I’m actually not surprised about this. I despise these talent reality shows. I wish I were more optimistic like you, but between pitch correction and AI, I think our entire world is going to be fake before we realize it. Fantastic analysis, Fil! 🙌👏🤘
I appreciate you being a champion for authenticity! Keep it up.
Thank you music professor Fil. I love coming to your class. Absolutely fantastic thank you. Many blessings to you and your family.
Michael Jackson is so unique and needs nothing! Beautiful.
Great video as usual..... Listening to MJ here just absolutely reinforces how utterly amazing he could be.
I'm not surprised at all sadly,, Fil would you review Susan Boyle's first audition and other performances on BGT and when she appeared on AGT?
He has a great voice just by himself! Why pitch correct such a great voice?!
Thanks! I find these vocal analysis videos so interesting! I can see the changes in pitch and vibrato that I find so beautiful in these singers. The good ones often seem to move up to and around the notes and those are often my favorite parts of the song. I didn’t really know what it was that I found so appealing before. One of my favorite bands was abba. They did a song called chiquititta that is nice. There are some live versions out there. It might be fun to check that song out .
This was the Romanian Voice, and yet I almost understood the first judge since Romanian is a Latin language and very similar to French. I have a guitar player friend married to a Romanian, and I looked through a tourist book she had and was amazed at the resemblance.
Very good analysis and good insight into the possible motives. We live in Cowellian times.
What would you think if I sang out of tune?
Would you stand up and walk out on me?
Lend me your ears and I'll sing you a song
And I'll try not to sing out of key
Oh, I get by with a little help from Pitch Correction
Mm, I get high with a little help from Pitch Correction
Mm, gonna try with a little help from Pitch Correction
(revised Beatles tune)
Well played, sir, well played 👏👏👏
I am so proud of myself….I HEARD THE PITCH CORRECTION on that first extended note before Fil called it out! It had a “metallic” sound. I think I am developing a “trained ear”. 😁
Yay....keep it up
I was also able to hear the pitch correction, and yes, it did sound kinda metallic, and just wrong ! FIL is a great teacher ! 😊
you are just reacting to the innate value of human expression...connecting emotionally..which is what REAL music is all about!
Me too! Fil's videos have me watching and listening to all kinds of music and guitar playing. I was even watching an episode of Andy Griffith and he was playing his guitar. Found myself looking for "fills" in his left hand. 😆
Its almost cartoon like, hard not to hear it, defeats the purpose of singing!! Disgraceful..
Thank you for calling attention to the trickery that abounds in music productions today.
My incredible late Mom, who sang beautifully her entire life, would just immediately say "Merciful Minerva!!!"
It's unbelievable that they would do this on a singing competition show!!!
Thanks again SOO MUCH for all you share with us so graciously!!
Your mother sounds like a funny lady. Thanks for the laugh. Peace 🎉🎉🎉
@@Johnc259 Thanks for the kind words! I'm missing both of my parents, but my mom in particular. She was brilliant...a member of MENSA, but wouldn't ever have dared to tell anybody outside our immediate family because she wouldn't want to appear to be bragging about her intelligence.
My dad died super young (51) as a result of general anesthesia, but my mom died 5 years ago. It feels like yesterday. She was so wise and compassionate...my goal is that the way I live my life managing serious & progressive diseases somehow would make both of them proud. I don't allow any anger or bitterness, because if I chose to have a negative and ugly attitude towards it I KNOW that Id be even more ill than I already am.
My dad sang his entire life as well, and they often sang together. They both sang solos, duets, trios, quartets, as well as choirs.
As for me, I sing all the time...but only alone. I don't feel like I have a good enough voice to sing when other people might hear me.
And yes, my mom in particular had lots of odd little sayings, etc. She heard them growing up, and they just stuck with me!
Taking this opportunity to suggest a different kind of comparison, between two certainly not pitch-corrected examples of Judy Collins singing Amazing Grace, at age 83 in 2022 at the Shrewsbury Folk Festival and at age 37 at a Boston Pops live event in 1976. While there's a noticeable difference it's still remarkable she can still manage this and it would be interesting to see on the pitch monitor.--Jerry
His natural voice is so much better than the auto tune.
You are our Sherlock Holmes! These videos are so instructive! Love your work. Canada 🇨🇦 loves you
Thanks!
We really do!!❤️🇨🇦
I wish you could do one on the show "The Masked Singer." I think there are different versions depending on the country. But since finding your channel, I swear I can hear when the producers pitch correct so the person sounds better. And oddly (I'm sure on purpose), one performance will sound great, but the next performance is awful. Not having-a-bad-day awful, but can't-sing-a-note awful. While I love the show, and the fun is trying to figure out who is under the "mask," I can't help but be a bit salty that the show isn't honest with the viewers.
Zactly👍👍👍
ABSOLUTELY brilliant insight (end section of video) into the emotional value of sharp pitching...the Question / answer explanation.?..wonderful....i don't know anybody else who has consciously outlined this power of REAL human expression....
Very funny the way your explanation made me think the judges are a panel of dogs.
"if they like the voice they press a button".
Very cute experiment. I need to invent more lore for this.
Yes, indeed, Fil, we all need you to help us figure out where we are in this rabbit hole. Lol. Great analysis as usual.
Nothing surprises me anymore. I heard it immediately!
I guess i'm cynical, i never believed they DIDN'T pitch correct on these farce shows.....
That was some performance and disappointing regarding the use of pitch correction. Great analysis as always pointing out the details on the pitch monitor and glad you added in the original by MJ. 😊🎸🎵
Yes, thanks for the MJ original! It was great to hear it sung by the master.
Thank you Fil!! I'm learning a lot by watching your videos!!😃
Sick Sad World. There should be programs that are able to take pitch-correction _out_ of recordings!
Also, I think you’ve talked about this before, but the biggest issue with pitch correction is that natural instruments are not necessarily, including human voices, tuned to equal temperament, but more likely to overtones which won’t match 12 equal intervals.
Another gem of an analysis.
As far as I know, only the live portions of the Voice, after the auditions, duels and knockouts are done. Which makes sense, since live is... Well, live. Still, I'm not a fan of that because they add autotune to some vocalist who don't need it at all, and it ruins their performance and expression.
Great video. I've really enjoyed your videos, and this is why -- When you listen to someone sing you want to hear their voice, not some machine and you point it out. If you want a mechanical voice ok, but it's sort of like texting. My wife and I always told our children "Don't get upset over a text that you think is offensive, as there's no emotion in it. It may just be a sarcastic remark and not really meant the way you 'read' it." I want to know if a guy/girl can sing, and sometimes those quirks of someone's voice is what makes their song interesting.
The jagged bits are the soul, the bit that just gets your heart, pitch correction just takes the soul out of the voice. Your vids are such an education,. Thank you.
I can only admire your consistent effort through years to show us the seriousness of the problem! PC used in talent exhibition is the next level, though.
OMG let's now call the show "The Foice" or something...
Anywise I really appreciate your thorough explanation on the art of not just being pitch perfect. Made perfect sense!
you mention the emotion of the vocals, how so so true. It is impossible separate the two. If you can not covey the emotions then I cant see people clinging to an artist. That's why I love this girl, she is incredible. The emotion is this just blew me away, my chest filled with pride and cried like a baby she left nothing on the table Putri Ariani STUNS with "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For" by U2 | Qualifiers
This is so disappointing to think from now with every singer, every performance will either be pitched corrected or auto tune or both! However I do thank you for taking the time to bring this out to the public. People should know about this manipulation taking place in the music industry.
what a ridiculous situation.... part of the enjoyment of watching and listening to the voice is to hear new talent and make your own judgement of the contestants ability, The judges hear it and the studio audience why the hell cant we...blady hell Fil there seems to be no end to this nonsense. thanks for exposing it
Wish I could give more than 1 thumbs up. This was a great video
That guy’s voice might not need to be corrected, but his pants that are too short certainly do.
The question is, why do the producers believe they need to pitch correct a person who got a 4 chair turn without correction?
😮 I had watched the pitch corrected version a few times, months back. Your analysis explains that weird sound I had heard and questioned when I listened. Still thought he was a good singer.
Another great analysis Fil , thank you
As much as I love Fil's content, I am constantly even more blown away by his singing talent. I've heard him beautifully mimic countless voices both male and female.
Informative & fun analysis again, no idea auto tune is such a big issue until i hear these lol. Thanks Fil😊🌜⭐️✨️🎙
This used to be a really fun channel, analysing the music and performances, very informative. Now it's obsessed with pitch correction and auto tune stuff. good luck
We didn't just see it, we could hear it - the difference. Or what I myself could notice, that was that I was moved by the the second, uncorrected, but not by the first version, maybe because I don't even have an ear for pitch, only for emotion. Interesting! 😀 Fil, you are amazing! Of course The Voice is a promise that it is about the voice, and the natural voice only! What a scam, and what a deception of the artists!
Really love your high quality videos and detailed analyses and reactions. Always a pleasure to watch. Keep it up and rock on!!!😎
Fil, when you start „And there we have it“ and your smile appears… then I must smile, too. Meanwhile I‘ve seen a few of your precise analyses and it‘s plain to see what your „and there we have it“ and, most important, your expression of all these pitch corrected songs means. How I love to go back to my teenage years and the good songs of the 60ies, 70ies, even 80ies !!!
I have no musical knowledge; however your analysis is so good it draws me in. Consequently, I end up watching the whole video, even though I don’t really understand most of it. Thanks for sharing your musical knowledge.
Hey Fil... many thanks for your videos on this increasingly common problem. You have opened my eyes to just how bad things are in terms of manipulation of old recordings etc.
Makes me wonder about services like Spotify etc. And if they "enhance" the music they put onto their service.
Hi Fil,
Interesting analysis, I heard the mechanical sounding voice correction right away. It is a shame that this is being done to a singer’s voice. And I think you are right that when we see the judges react to the first line, they already have a preconceived emotional response. Because the song is an MJ song and he was such a beloved musical figure. They barely give this guy a chance to sing the song. A good one to look at, and great job explaining everything that was going on! You Are The Best! Debbie☮️
I appreciate some angst in my music. I want to hear all that pain - makes it relatable. Otherwise, why am I listening? I used to watch The Voice, but it got old, and honestly, I think I was watching it more for the coaches' interaction than for the actual singers. There are very few of the singers that I still remember.
Wow Fil - thanks for your superb teaching. I really enjoyed this video. And........ I think I'm starting to hear pitch correction too!!
Please check America's Got Talent where Richard Goodall got the golden buzzer. It seems also pitch corrected. I isolated the voice and played it with the pitch monitor (same as yours) and all the vocals were spot on the lines.
I’m curious about real-time pitch correction, as opposed to post-performance correction. Is that a ‘thing’ too?
I expect that you’ve addressed this subsidiary question somewhere, although I suppose it would be difficult to differentiate between a concert performance corrected in real time versus correction after the fact. Please let me know, as I expect many other occasional viewers/listeners would like to know too.
Autotune can be used in real time, not pitch correction as its manual!
Perfectly demonstates the difference between AI and human creativity. We should all be worried . . .
Milli Vanilli were the ultimate autotuned live performers.
Thank you! PC vs natural comparison! Bang on job. Thank you again. This is exactly what I'm looking for in PC vs non-PC analysis.
What can we, your audience, do to help you research and find more examples, if anything? Please let us know.
There are like 142 different countries that have this show in 7 different formats for seniors etc,
it has been speculated that there is pitch correction in post, but I wonder how many of these shows do it and if it is done in the blinds, battle rounds, knock out's and live rounds?
One "yes, I want you" vote, means the contestant has that one only choice for a coach, two or more "yes', I want you" votes means they can choose between the ones that voted for them.
It's exhausting. As a singer, it's also discouraging.
yeah..if i was a singer..I'd be mad as hell and depressed!
I don't even turn on the tv anymore in hotel rooms, said goodbye to cable 20 years ago. They can keep their programmed pap.
They should rename the show as " P. C. World ! "
I just watched your comparison of Frank Sinatra and Dean Martin's singing styles for "Let It Snow." They make the song their own with their deliveries of being flat, sharp, or right on the notes. You get a real sense of their styles and abilities to know just how far up or down from the note to go to sound great. So, this pitch correction craze is taking away a singer's artistic sense and emotion of a song--detracting from a singer's innate talent, if they've got it. What a shame. Thanks, Fil, for an informative analysis. I really wish you could find time to do more of your own music too. You're a pretty talented guy yourself.
That first gentleman's pitch corrected voice sounded like the natural vibrato of Michael Jackson.