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Great sounding 12-String, and it looked like it was pretty easy to play. I don't believe there is any replacement for a 12-String Rickenbacker, they are their own thing. Most certainly a candidate for locking tuners (if there is even enough room). Not having the access relief-cut go all the way through the headstock does make restringing them a challenge. Great review, Thank You
A couple things. Only RIC strings a 12 string in this order. All others string it like the acoustic 12. The 5th knob's magic happens with ric-o-sound and two amps. It's a balance control between your amps.
@@JonNewquist It's also a neck pickup blender with the bridge pickup in regular mono-mode on middle toggle setting..takes a bit to get used to.. I know, have owned 3, down to one, my orig. '67 FireGlo 360/12 DeLuxe, bought new at the Rickenbacker factory via Mr Hall and a dealer in Orange..
@@samburkes7552 - yes, I thought that was mentioned, but it's been a minute since this aired. So few ever use it in stereo. That's the first thing I did with my 360jg in '89 but we had several amps in my band. 🙂
Locking tuners are completely unnecessary on a Rickenbacker 12-string. I’ve had my 330/12 stay in tune literally for months at a time. I think the key is to make sure the nut slots are cut and dressed correctly.
Rickenbackers are the real 'parallel universe' guitars: it's like they evolved completely independently of other brands and solved all the same problems in completely different ways. It reminds me a little of some Soviet technology in that they've kind of achieved the same thing, but with different parts and slightly different logic and different materials.
To be fair Trogly tends to demo the guitars really “dry”, on the clean tones at least. To my ear it rarely makes the guitars sound good. The advantage a 12 string then has is that it is an inherently fuller sound and sounds better in such a “dry” clean scenario.
@@davidburke2132 Totally agree, 12-Strings naturally sound like a little bit of chorus has been added. I'm glad Austin does demo the guitars pretty dry. Many demos I've seen (we've all seen) there is so much processing/effects running its pointless to listen to the demo of the guitar, more like they are making a demo about all their effects.
@@hkguitar1984 yes, I can see why he does it that way. For me it’s just a bit too dry. A little reverb wouldn’t hurt in my opinion but I still love his videos.
@@davidburke2132 I agree that even some very light room/spring reverb would make the guitars come across way better. A guitar needs a bit of reverb, even if it's just the natural reverb the amp is in at the time...
I think if you had done a side by side comparison with another 12 string you would have seen the greatest feature of a Ric 12. The tuning. Octaves and primes are switched on a Ric. So your down strum sounds mostly normal, the up-strum gets the jangle. The opposite of just about everyone else's 12 string. Most electric 12 bridges won't even let you install the strings that way. Great review, thanks for showing something unusual.
Actually I was looking at that and thinking that for fingerpicking half the time you're going to miss playing the octave string on the bass courses. I think I prefer the way everyone else does it.
@@artiefischel2579 When you are playing rhythm the up strokes give you a very particular sound. That's why I trying to build another electric 12 for my collection ( the one I have is tuned octave then prime like most acoustics ). Between the pick-ups and the tuning the Ric has a distinctive sound that is hard to copy.
That's also one of the things that have switched me off of the Rick brand. I prefer the traditional method of attaching the strings, which is why my attention has been diverted by Guild. Meanwhile,, Jim McGuinn always has his strong traditionally.
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@@ericbgordon1575 , I love Rickenbacker and Guild 12-strings for their distinctive sounds, though Ric is the king of jangle (and I love Roger McGuinn's playing). Both are great.
On your fretboard those small imperfections are called fisheyes. All it takes is one nanospec to create those. I am a master automotive refinisher by trade. We get those every once an a while. I hope this information helps. Stay safe and well and keep Rockin. Signed John Zepbass
Compressor oil or moisture in the air line, contamination on the fret board... so many variables. Spraying a finish can be a stressful endeavor! I sprayed boats for a living so I hear what you are saying.
"great, youve pinpointed it. Step two is washing it off." -Dan Akroyd from Tommy Boy Sorry I had to, I know they can't be "washed off" but I just went for it
I think it depends on the guitar you put it on, but the Rickenbackers look like ass with a sunburst. I'd only ever buy a Fire-Glo Rickenbacker... Nothing quite beats that finish on one.
That's not how Ric-O-Sound works. The output nearest the strap button is a regular output. The second output requires a stereo, or TRS plug. You send it to the separate Ric-O-Sound box & from there it splits the signal of each pickup. If you plug a regular instrument cable into the second output, only the bridge pickup will work.
Good to know. I wish Trogly would do a little more research on each instrument's controls before making the Demo. What you described is really important knowledge.
There are a lot of ways to use the Ric-O-Sound without the special box, but yeah. It’s so fun, especially on the bass where you can send the bridge pickup to an overdriven amp and the neck to a clean amp.
@@hkguitar1984 I understand your point, but at the same time he's uploading a video a day. For a regular viewer like me it's good to have company for my morning coffee, if he were to do research for every video maybe it wouldn't be possible... but if the interest of a viewer is to learn all about this instrument you're 100% right and this one might not be for them. Best wishes :) (I'm not trying to start an argument, you're right)
Trogly... literally the ONLY “guitarist” who opens the case and doesn’t try to play the guitar; doesn’t try to get the guitars feel; doesn’t try to HEAR the guitar right away.... I both love you, and wonder about you for that! Also... before I get hate. I have now subscribed and liked you, because of how you have curated all Of these fantastic instruments for posterity... much love brother Trogly!!!
That is the sweetest, and kindest welcome ever! I’m so happy, and grateful.... thank you! BUT, UM ACTUALLY, I’m a Luddite.... I hope that’s okay here.....
Nice. I have a 1990 360-12 WB fireglo - which also has binding in the f-hole. Fantastic looking and sounding instrument. A stereo Y cable goes in the 'rick-o-sound' jack only.
The 360/12C63 is the George Harrison reissue. George’s 360/12 was the second 12 string guitar Rickenbacker ever made. John’s Rickenbacker, the 325C64 was originally a one-off guitar made for John Lennon. Unlike the production version, John’s had no f-hole or “cat’s eye” hole, and it was one of few 325 guitars to be finished in Jetglo. Rickenbacker had based it off John’s original 1958 Rickenbacker he got in Hamburg that was refinished black, and had been used by John on all recordings and performances up to that point, including the Ed Sullivan show. Paul McCartney’s Rickenbacker, the 4001C64 (which is reissued occasionally) was originally the first left handed Rickenbacker 4001S to be manufactured by Rickenbacker. When The Beatles went to Rickenbacker to receive their guitars, Rickenbacker offered a regular 4001S to Paul but he didn’t take it because it was a right handed bass. He instead waited to get a left handed one that was finished in late 1964 and featured the neck through piece from a regular righty Rickenbacker. Paul’s Rickenbacker almost immediately replaced his Höfner, which was now only being used on few tracks, and would be retired after their last show. Paul used his Rickenbacker til the eighties before he pulled his Höfner out of retirement. John’s Rickenbacker was retired in 1966, being replaced with his Casino. John wouldn’t be seen playing his Rickenbacker publicly again. George used his Rickenbacker on a few tracks for Sgt. Peppers and the white album, before retiring it. George later used his 360/12 with The Traveling Willburys. George’s Rickenbacker now belongs to his son, Dhani Harrison.
CURSE YOU!!! I had a Ric 12 many years ago. I LOVED that guitar...until the first time I tried to restring it...it took every fiber of my being to not throw that thing into the wall! Mine had the "R" tailpiece, which makes the already difficult restringing process twice as hard. It sounded SO GOOD! Hearing you play in this demo is making me jones so hard for another one, but there is no way I will put myself through that mess again! lol! Thanks for the great review!
Lots of tips and tricks to those involving tape and using capos to hold the strings. It can be done comfortably after the fact in about 30 min. First timers can take hours.
@@showtime3162 Not the same quality, but I have a Harvey Benton that does that ... It looks ultra cool 😎. I was pleased to stumble across it, as like you I love the 'wave' design of the Bass around the neck ...
Big Big There is a Rickenbacker guitar with the same bodyshape as the 4001 bass. I dont know what the model is called or if theyre making it now but you can see one here m.th-cam.com/video/wikh0THvRhg/w-d-xo.html
It’s the only guitar Mcguinn ever played, but you have to realize that the Byrds had never seen a Rickenbacker 12, it was rather new, and when they all went to see A Hard Day’s Night, they took note of what kinds of instruments they were playing, and the next day Mcguinn, traded a couple of acoustic guitars and a banjo and got his first Rickenbacker 12, but Harrison played it on Can’t buy me love, and the whole Hard Days Night album, then the next few Beatles albums.
I’ve owned two .. A Tom Petty 660/12 and a Harrison 360/12/63... both were extremely well built .. but the Petty 660/12 was so neck heavy it was insane!! The jangle comes from the octave strings being BELOW the normal strings not above like all others besides the Rick..
Yes, unlike every other 12 string guitar, the octave string is below the normal string on a Rick 12. But I have often wondered if this was an intentional design or just ignorance as is present in so much of the Rick12 design.
I have this exact same model. It’s definitely a one-trick pony, but that one trick is essential for the music I play. I love the look - just doesn’t get any better than that in my book. Not sure if it was mentioned in any of the 100s of comments, but one thing Trogly got wrong- this historic reissue model of the 63 has two output jacks, but it’s not “stereo” like the Ric-o-Sound version in the more modern models. I wish mine had it but I wanted that Harrison look of the 63. This one has two output jacks but they both output the same signal- not one pickup to each or anything like that.
I was just going to mention this too about the jacks. I think the ones that have true stereo have their signature name "Rick-O-Sound" branding on the jack. Unless that changed all c63s I've seen are just mono. There is a lot of strange stuff with Rickenbackers though so I can see how people can get mixed up about certain things.
I think the best thing about 12 strings is exactly what you said at the end. They inspire you to write songs, just listen to ticket to ride or something like that.
i purchased a 1998 360 fireglo from a pawnshop 20 years ago for $650 (mint condition with case) still use it to this day and it does have a very hot sound with distortion and the clean tones make you melt....not selling it anytime soon but i know they are worth a pretty penny these days.
As someone who has George as one of his biggest influences on guitar (which also resulted in a love for Rickenbackers), I definitely approve of this guitar. You can’t help but love them, they just have that classic 60s sound
Honestly, I'd get a Stratocaster XII for a fourth of the price (as I like the sound better), but nothing sounds or feels quite like a Rickenbacker 12 string.
@@robadobflob3405 lol i just bought one from my local guitar shop yesterday. Its an mid 2000's mij one. Guitar center has the current run with the ones with the weird pickups.
The king of playing the 12 string was Glen Campbell wow he even picked the 12 string. I believe he loved the 12 string the best found it most challenging as the 6 string became ohhhh haaaa to him
There is a video of Glen Campbell playing his solid body Ovation 12-String, he is ripping his way through solos and at one point plays the 12-String behind his back as well as with his teeth, amazing Man for sure.
@@hkguitar1984 I have saw that video I agree it is excellent. I do not see all they hype over Hendrex, Clapton and others. Glen has played on more number 1 hits than all of them and because he was country never given the recognition he deserves. He is mover versatile than all of them. The only other one that stand up against Glen is Eddie Van Halen in my books he was an inventor and wow he gave the guitar a new sound. Big names get you number 1 spot I guess.
@@hkguitar1984 there is also a video of him playing the "William Tell Overture " on his 12-string and then flips it up on his head and does runs with his pick, and doesn't miss any notes. ! Look it up .... and is also keeping up with the orchestra playing the background. ! AMAZING !
Rickenbacker guitars were the first guitars I ever considered to be my dream guitars. I played a 12 string one at Sam Ash and I loved it. I always love when trogly gets a rickenbacker.
Fantastic guitar! Wonderful demo. Thanks. I own a 1986 model of this guitar, and it is truly a custom shop quality. Looks just as nice after 35 years. Refretted with bigger fret wire and that made it more playable IMO.
As you saw, it comes with a six saddle bridge which makes it impossible to intonate accurately. However Rickenbacker makes a twelve saddle bridge that you can order but you have to file the notches for the strings yourself. I don't know why they just don't put the 12-saddle bridge on the guitar to begin with.
There is considerable debate online regarding the 6 versus 12 saddle bridge. Mine is a 1986 with the 6 saddle, and intonation is close to perfect. Someone recommended I change the bridge to the 12 and I declined because I'm not having any issues with intonation.
@@TheBissco When I had the one that I did, I did not notice enough to bother ordering the 12 saddle bridge either, It played great and I felt like I was holding a Cadillac amoung guitars, still kickin myself for selling it, not my brightest moment. They are way too expensive now. I got mine in 2002 for like 1200.00 it was used but might as well have been never played. I did play it though, but it still looked new when I sold it.
The tuning can be a little confusing when you get to the G string, but once it’s in tune it’s good to go. Beautiful guitar. I love the varnished fretboards.
Mine was a 330 from 1964, I just turned 69 last Sunday, so that guitar was a long time ago. Since then they have changed over the years, so when I was given 2 of them in 2013, they felt totally wrong, so I didn't even gig with them! John Hall Jr. told me that they used to rub in 40 coats of lacquer on them! I doubt they still do, but your can begin to see why it takes a year to get them. By the way, mine's serial # was DC289, and it was so long ago, that I paid $75 for it at the Hollywood GC!
I guess that they shined like the original Rolls Royce hand-polished front radiator grills then ... with the same pride in the quality of their work . I would guess that the California oppressive use of chemicals laws had begun affecting Rickenbacker processes by 2013 so they cut back on some 'non-essentials' ...
They use to use conversion varnish for the finish. Unfortunately, it wasn't environmentally friendly, so they stopped. The most common models are often in stock at online retailers, but if someone is looking for one of less popular models, it will probably have to be ordered. One of the reason for longer lead times is that they build guitars in production runs and when they're done building them, they don't build any more of that model until the next production run. My 620-6 took a year to arrive.
Actually, no-it’s a secondary volume control for the neck pickup, like Trogly said. I always assumed it was a panpot too, until I wound up with a Ric 381. I never ran it in stereo, and of course I never used a Ric-O-Sound box either, as I never had one. A stereo Y-cord out of the Ric-O-Sound jack should work fine.
That little knob, is just another volume pot for the neck pickup, which is louder than the bridge pickup, let’s you add or remove volume quickly on the neck pickup when toggle is center or up.
For future reference Troggly, if you really want to hear what those things can do...plug it into a compressor. The chime you get is unreal due to the sustain a compressor adds. Heck, Janglebox markets itself as a compressor especially for Rickenbacker 12 strings...and its true, you add that and its instant Byrds/Beatles sounds.
Quick correction on this. The 360/12C63 model is actually one of the rare Rickenbacker models that, despite having two output jacks, does not feature "Ric-O-Sound" stereo outputs. Instead the two outputs are in a dual mono configuration where both output the identical signal of both pickups together. Additionally, on guitars that do have the "Ric-O-Sound" stereo feature, it is not that one output goes to the neck and the other goes to the bridge, but that one output is TS Mono (all pickups) and the other is TRS stereo with the bridge pickup going to Tip, the Neck (and middle if installed) Pickup to Ring, and Ground to Sleeve.
Beautiful! Brings back so many memories of 50 years ago! (some things DO stand the test of time) BUT, Y'might reconsider taking all the strings off at once. My service manual from my original (now ancient) 1964 360-12 clearly states 'the strings should be pulled and replaced ONE AT A TIME!'. Very time consuming yes, but maintains your warranty as the dual truss rod is an old Harmony design that F.C. Hall picked up when it lapsed its patent and it becomes less stable when tension is constantly worked back and forth changing strings en total, (like bending a wire too many times). Near as I can tell from recent reproduction instruments, the same design is still being used for authenticity sake.
Love when you do reviews of different brands. Tbh I feel your detail of specs, feel and overall rating are great. I'd love to see you do more brands like music man.
I watch this channel so much my wife calls it the "Trogly's Trog Trog Show" because she hears your voice so often in the other room, and whenever you say "First Fret Neck Depth", I spout those same words back in a very "Aflac" manner, because I feel you kinda sound like that when you say it, LOL. Cheers, love the channel.
Having owned a 620/12, I never could get use to the thin neck. I can see why Tom Petty had a wider neck made on his model. I've never played the c63 12 string, so I can't comment on the playability, but she she's a beautiful one, for sure!
Ric-o-sound works like this (source is my 4003): Jack closest to the strap pin is the standard mono output. The one further away is the Ric-o-sound jack where a TRS Y cable (stereo plug to two mono plugs) needs to be used in order to split the pickup (Bridge is on the tip, neck on the ring). Using a standard TS cable in the Ric-o-sound will only output the bridge pickup since the contact for the neck pickup is grounded to the sleeve.
Great explanation of the small knob and front pickup. I owned my 330 for over 25 years and always treated it like a blend that did not work so great. You clarified it on an earlier episode and I finally understood it :). Bridge pickup wide open and then a Tube Screamer for the solos through an overdriven AC 30 or a Marshall and it was always a delight !
Kept waiting for some 'Byrds' licks. I can't think of anyone more associated with the sound of a Ricky 12 string (or let's face it, a 12 string period!) than Roger McGuinn. That guitar is the 'Byrds' tone!
Such a cool, unique sound. Fascinating to hear that the jangle is there even without the tonne of compression that The Byrds shoved on it for Turn, Turn, Turn.
The fifth knob controls the volume of the neck pickup, mainly so that it can be indendently lowered outside the overall mix. Otherwise, when switching from the lead, bridge pickup to the neck pickup, it would overpower the lead sound. It works extremely well for my 6-string Ric! I have it set and never really need to adjust it. My Ric does NOT have any fisheyes in the neck paint, so, I assume those are flaws. My biggest gripe is the pick-guard. I removed mine and replaced the screws with smaller ones to keep from damaging the guitar. Some guys like the pick-guard that way but I found it too high for my hand to rest on after playing all these years and, basically, uncomfortable (I tried it for quite some time that way before removal and just couldn’t adapt to it). Nice job on the review, thanks!
Check out The Smithereens for some overdriven Rickenbacker tones. Their signature sound was Rickenbackers through Marshalls. Also would like to see Austin contrast this reissue model with the “modern” 360 model with the rounded top and fully slotted headstock.
The Rickenbacker 12 String Guitars are interesting because on the bottom 4 pairs of strings the Low Octave Strings come before the High Octave Strings.
For stereo, you only use one output, the one closer to the endpin. Use a TRS cable to split out the two different pickups. It's NOT one pickup from each output. The other ouput is a standard output.
Check out Jimmy Page doing the song, "The Song Remains the Same" from the movie, "The Song Remains the Same". He plays the whole thing on the 12 string. Solos and all because the 6 string is tuned for the, "Rain Song" which he goes into right after. Seeing that as a kid on the big screen at the midnight movies was probably the first time I realized what a guitar god was. Still quite impressive to this day.
The Toaster's have 2 single coils in them . It is not a hummie. It does not sound drastically different then their High Gain Single coil. Keep in mind the 'High Gain' is really a mildly overwound version of the 50's version. In '66 they overwound the regular single coil for Pete Townsend and it soon became the new standard model.The Townsend PU is killer. It is a hand wound, scatterwound PU. ...add to that it is triple chrome plated. I bought mine from Ric about 3 years ago and it was only $75.00 USD. Although it is not a drop in it is a killer sound. Remember Townsend used it for not just a clean sound but ran thru two dimed 100 watt Plexi Stacks. I put it in the neck position of my Fender Duo Sonic with a Duncan 55 Tele at the bridge. I get both early Townsend sounds from the one guitar.
I bought one of these around 1995 and it was honestly my favorite guitar I've ever owned. Pawn shops should be outlawed..I'm currently in planning to build a six-string and matching 12 string.
The 2 output jacks - one is usually labeled "Standard" and one "Ric-0-Sound" but yours doesn't seem to have that labeling on the plate. The Standard out is full guitar (both pickups). Ric-0-Sound is a stereo jack (tip-ring-sleeve) with one pickup going to the tip, the other to the sleeve. The other end of the cable would break out to two 1/4 inch jacks so you could feed two channels on your amp, or two separate amps.
That touches on what led Pete Townsend to start breaking his guitars at the end of the night. He had banged the headstock from his Rickenbacker into the ceiling.
I was lucky enough to get a 60’s version of a Ric 360-12. I have read that The flipping of the prime and octave strings was by accident but they just left it that way. Also, be very grateful you don’t have the original trapeze ‘R’ tail piece. While I love the look of it, the string holders are slotted. The strings will not stay inside like you showed with the modern tailpiece. They must always be under tension to stay put. I replaced the bridge with one having 12 individual adjustments. No tuning problems whatsoever. Same mediocre pegs as yours. Thankfully, it’s not my full time axe so I only have spend the hour it takes to change strings every other year, or so.
they sound GREAT with crunch and distortion. swirly shoegaze stuff sounds great too. the output jacks do not work the way you said. one requires a stereo TRS 1/4" the other is used with a regular mono 1/4"
If you roll off the neck tone completely the third knob acts as a blend knob. The up switch position is full bass. The middle position dials in the neck and bridge pickup for a standard two pickup sound and the down switch position is bridge pickup only.
Trog I love your channel, but your enunciation of the letter T at times gets my aural OCD firing. 😉 Great video, I hope you'll do a Ricky bass in the near future.
manager at the guitar shop i go to has told me that rickenbacker is terrible for QC and a headache to deal with... always tells me not to bother with them but something about them is still kinda tempting! those bubbles on this fretboard are pretty shoddy though
The two outputs are not neck & bridge. The one closest to the strap pin is a regular output. The one furthest away is a "Ric-O-Sound" Stereo TRS jack. one channel for each pickup.
Loved that review. It’s a very quirky guitar, but it does look fun. Not fun enough to shell out $3500+, but it definitely has a unique look and sound. That tuner key arrangement is both ingenious and weird in equal measure. Thanks for that one.
One jack is a mono jack, the other is a stereo jack that requires a stereo jack cable that turns into a Y cable with 2 mono jacks for two different amps, one amp for each pickup. Sounds great!
I have a 12-string with a 12" radius and trying to do bar chords on it is hellish, trying to get those middle strings to stay down. On the rare occasion I bring it out I'm tuning it down a half step or a whole step to relieve the string tension. So it wouldn't surprise me if they used a 7" on the Ricks. People are more likely to play folk-rock on these than shred.
It's 7.25 on this model. The other Rickenbacker 12 string models have 10 inch radius, but this C63 model recreates how Rickenbackers were in the 1960s.
You did your research and were accurate about everything minus the Ric-o-sound. The Ric-o-sound is a stereo output and you use a stereo splitter "Y" cable to run one pickup off to one amp and the other off to another. So if you're using the stereo output, it's only coming out of that one jack, not both. The other thing, the center wood on the neck is also just maple. I think it may be a darker maple or they stain it or something.
That is one beautiful instrument. Re the headstock, anyway you slice it tuning a 12 string can be a pain in the ass to get just right but what a lovely sound when you do, worth the effort for sure. I would love to be playing that thing right now. Ricky's are solid instruments. Thx for sharing :)
This Ricky is a 360. Mine's a 330 - same body, but no binding, and mine has dot inlays. Mine's a 2002 model with "R" tailpiece, and I notice my tuners are sealed Schallers , inscribed with a stylish "S" and "Made in Germany" they look a lot better than yours. Also, your bridge is a six-saddle model, with two groves goughed into each individual bridge saddle. When I got mine, I took it to a top guitar tech, who suggested I purchase a 12 saddle bridge from Rickenbacker (Today's price, $US125) , which I did, making intonation easier. I'm afraid I find the neck too narrow, but my tech suggested a small improvement by installing a new nut, recut for maximum string spacing. I didn't go ahead with that mod. One of the greatest pleasures I have experienced on mine is gigging "Tamborine Man" loud through a big marshal rig. The 12 string sweet spot really shined through. Enjoy your new guitar. What a great finish it has.
Nice review of a great guitar! Just a couple of observations: The outputs are standard (mono), and Rick-O-Sound (stereo). You only use one cable at a time, not two for stereo sound. To access the stereo feature, you need a stereo cable and a splitter box or Y-cable, which is basically what the old Rick-O-Sound box did. For some reason, even though they still offer Rick-O-Sound on their deluxe guitars, they stopped making the box decades ago. The trapeze tailpiece isn’t necessarily for 12-strings; it’s a vintage piece. Modern Rickenbackers feature an R tailpiece, but those have a reputation for cracking under the stress of 12strings. It happened to my Rickenbacker 330/12, so I replaced the R with a vintage trapeze, which is much stronger than the R.
George actually had two Ric 360-12s-his first one was the double-bound one that Ric gave him in 1964, and later he had the more modern rounded-top version as well.
They're beautiful guitars. I'm a working musician but I can't justify the price of these things. I have a Schecter 12 string electric with humbucking pickups . It's an import, but it works.
Ricks are actually tri stereo. one output is mono and the second is stereo. so you could actually run it through 3 amps at once. that is what i do with my Rick.
Love my 330/12. Gives me that sound I need that no other guitar can give me. Like having a vintage guitar like my '65 SG. Again a certain sound it has that's all its own. Unique sounds is what it's all about.
To be fair I don’t think they have any choice as to which tuning pegs are for which strings and the way they “flip” from one side of the headstock to the other. Obviously the slotted tuners are “inboard” on the headstock compared to the standard tuners and if you tried to retain the first of each pair of strings being tuned by the conventional tuners you’d be left with your strings crossing over each other (or more precisely crossing over its paired string) on the higher strings side of the headstock. That would be a really bad idea.
@@rodrossi9749 One? Yes, it's the coolest of guitars and the best-sounding electric 12, hands down. I have an old one and I love it. When I purchased it, the neck was curved beyond repair. I changed it for an identical one that is much wider at the nut that I had made by a very talented local lutier. I also had a single truss rod installed in the new neck and bought a 12 saddle bridge for it that just popped right onto the studs. It just may be the best Rick 360/12 of all.
In college the lead guitar player in my band had a Rickenbaker 6/12. It was usually a 12 string but there was a lever that you could pouch that pulled 6 of the strings out of the way so it would play like a 6 string.
The dark red in the sound hole is normal. And THANK YOU for correctly describing the fifth knob function at 6:45. I personally prefer the modern 12 Rick where the slots in the headstock go all the way through. I often string the treble side courses in reverse so that they are the same as the bass side.
I can now say I've tried one! The 60s tones ooze out of this one
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Great sounding 12-String, and it looked like it was pretty easy to play.
I don't believe there is any replacement for a 12-String Rickenbacker, they are their own thing.
Most certainly a candidate for locking tuners (if there is even enough room).
Not having the access relief-cut go all the way through the headstock does make restringing them a challenge.
Great review, Thank You
A couple things. Only RIC strings a 12 string in this order. All others string it like the acoustic 12.
The 5th knob's magic happens with ric-o-sound and two amps. It's a balance control between your amps.
@@JonNewquist It's also a neck pickup blender with the bridge pickup in regular mono-mode on middle toggle setting..takes a bit to get used to.. I know, have owned 3, down to one, my orig. '67 FireGlo 360/12 DeLuxe, bought new at the Rickenbacker factory via Mr Hall and a dealer in Orange..
@@samburkes7552 - yes, I thought that was mentioned, but it's been a minute since this aired. So few ever use it in stereo. That's the first thing I did with my 360jg in '89 but we had several amps in my band. 🙂
Locking tuners are completely unnecessary on a Rickenbacker 12-string. I’ve had my 330/12 stay in tune literally for months at a time. I think the key is to make sure the nut slots are cut and dressed correctly.
Rickenbackers are the real 'parallel universe' guitars: it's like they evolved completely independently of other brands and solved all the same problems in completely different ways.
It reminds me a little of some Soviet technology in that they've kind of achieved the same thing, but with different parts and slightly different logic and different materials.
Your description sounds similar to how I've heard French cars described.
@@doguecreek Haha! Citroën, definitely!
Well said.
To me it's the best sounding guitar you've had on.
What?
To be fair Trogly tends to demo the guitars really “dry”, on the clean tones at least. To my ear it rarely makes the guitars sound good. The advantage a 12 string then has is that it is an inherently fuller sound and sounds better in such a “dry” clean scenario.
@@davidburke2132 Totally agree, 12-Strings naturally sound like a little bit of chorus has been added.
I'm glad Austin does demo the guitars pretty dry. Many demos I've seen (we've all seen) there is so much processing/effects running its pointless to listen to the demo of the guitar, more like they are making a demo about all their effects.
@@hkguitar1984 yes, I can see why he does it that way. For me it’s just a bit too dry. A little reverb wouldn’t hurt in my opinion but I still love his videos.
@@davidburke2132 I agree that even some very light room/spring reverb would make the guitars come across way better. A guitar needs a bit of reverb, even if it's just the natural reverb the amp is in at the time...
I think if you had done a side by side comparison with another 12 string you would have seen the greatest feature of a Ric 12. The tuning. Octaves and primes are switched on a Ric. So your down strum sounds mostly normal, the up-strum gets the jangle. The opposite of just about everyone else's 12 string. Most electric 12 bridges won't even let you install the strings that way. Great review, thanks for showing something unusual.
Actually I was looking at that and thinking that for fingerpicking half the time you're going to miss playing the octave string on the bass courses. I think I prefer the way everyone else does it.
@@artiefischel2579 When you are playing rhythm the up strokes give you a very particular sound. That's why I trying to build another electric 12 for my collection ( the one I have is tuned octave then prime like most acoustics ). Between the pick-ups and the tuning the Ric has a distinctive sound that is hard to copy.
That's also one of the things that have switched me off of the Rick brand. I prefer the traditional method of attaching the strings, which is why my attention has been diverted by Guild.
Meanwhile,, Jim McGuinn always has his strong traditionally.
@@ericbgordon1575 , I love Rickenbacker and Guild 12-strings for their distinctive sounds, though Ric is the king of jangle (and I love Roger McGuinn's playing). Both are great.
It's easy to enjoy McGuinn on a Rickenbacker, @.
On your fretboard those small imperfections are called fisheyes. All it takes is one nanospec to create those. I am a master automotive refinisher by trade. We get those every once an a while. I hope this information helps. Stay safe and well and keep Rockin. Signed John Zepbass
Compressor oil or moisture in the air line, contamination on the fret board... so many variables. Spraying a finish can be a stressful endeavor! I sprayed boats for a living so I hear what you are saying.
"great, youve pinpointed it. Step two is washing it off."
-Dan Akroyd from Tommy Boy
Sorry I had to, I know they can't be "washed off" but I just went for it
Truly I'm surprised I don't see more fisheyes on the finished rosewood/bubinga. Those woods are so oily
John, thanks for that!!
@@Andyjpro . Think they're kinda cool..gives it some character..!
Rickys have those FireGlo finishes that imo look better than sunbursts
I think it depends on the guitar you put it on, but the Rickenbackers look like ass with a sunburst. I'd only ever buy a Fire-Glo Rickenbacker... Nothing quite beats that finish on one.
@@robadobflob3405 I like fireglo a lot, but jetglo has got to be my favorite finish on a Rickenbacker.
fender did a strat with similar color, if not the same. looks pretty good
@@ZaneDalton Isn't jetglo just black? Honest question, I'm not familiar with rickenbackers.
@@PurpleLightning6was9 yep, and usually with some cream binding
That's not how Ric-O-Sound works. The output nearest the strap button is a regular output. The second output requires a stereo, or TRS plug. You send it to the separate Ric-O-Sound box & from there it splits the signal of each pickup. If you plug a regular instrument cable into the second output, only the bridge pickup will work.
Good to know.
I wish Trogly would do a little more research on each instrument's controls before making the Demo.
What you described is really important knowledge.
There are a lot of ways to use the Ric-O-Sound without the special box, but yeah. It’s so fun, especially on the bass where you can send the bridge pickup to an overdriven amp and the neck to a clean amp.
@@hkguitar1984 I understand your point, but at the same time he's uploading a video a day. For a regular viewer like me it's good to have company for my morning coffee, if he were to do research for every video maybe it wouldn't be possible... but if the interest of a viewer is to learn all about this instrument you're 100% right and this one might not be for them. Best wishes :) (I'm not trying to start an argument, you're right)
You are correct. You can use the box if you can find one, or use a "Y" stereo TRS with two mono TR cable, its the same thing. I use one with my 4003
@@CosmicHippopotamus can you point me towards some alternative boxes that would work?
Trogly... literally the ONLY “guitarist” who opens the case and doesn’t try to play the guitar; doesn’t try to get the guitars feel; doesn’t try to HEAR the guitar right away.... I both love you, and wonder about you for that! Also... before I get hate. I have now subscribed and liked you, because of how you have curated all
Of these fantastic instruments for posterity... much love brother Trogly!!!
Welcome aboard Troglodyte.
That is the sweetest, and kindest welcome ever! I’m so happy, and grateful.... thank you! BUT, UM ACTUALLY, I’m a Luddite.... I hope that’s okay here.....
@@johnwasha6594 haha, you are not the only Luddite Troglodyte on here buddy, have a good one!
Welcome to the thunder dome! Lol!✌
Cuz he's a collector, not a musician
Nice. I have a 1990 360-12 WB fireglo - which also has binding in the f-hole. Fantastic looking and sounding instrument. A stereo Y cable goes in the 'rick-o-sound' jack only.
I've one but it's a 1991 vintage. You're not wrong about the look or the sound ... it's gorgeous and sounds like bells.
The 360/12C63 is the George Harrison reissue. George’s 360/12 was the second 12 string guitar Rickenbacker ever made. John’s Rickenbacker, the 325C64 was originally a one-off guitar made for John Lennon. Unlike the production version, John’s had no f-hole or “cat’s eye” hole, and it was one of few 325 guitars to be finished in Jetglo. Rickenbacker had based it off John’s original 1958 Rickenbacker he got in Hamburg that was refinished black, and had been used by John on all recordings and performances up to that point, including the Ed Sullivan show. Paul McCartney’s Rickenbacker, the 4001C64 (which is reissued occasionally) was originally the first left handed Rickenbacker 4001S to be manufactured by Rickenbacker. When The Beatles went to Rickenbacker to receive their guitars, Rickenbacker offered a regular 4001S to Paul but he didn’t take it because it was a right handed bass. He instead waited to get a left handed one that was finished in late 1964 and featured the neck through piece from a regular righty Rickenbacker. Paul’s Rickenbacker almost immediately replaced his Höfner, which was now only being used on few tracks, and would be retired after their last show. Paul used his Rickenbacker til the eighties before he pulled his Höfner out of retirement. John’s Rickenbacker was retired in 1966, being replaced with his Casino. John wouldn’t be seen playing his Rickenbacker publicly again. George used his Rickenbacker on a few tracks for Sgt. Peppers and the white album, before retiring it. George later used his 360/12 with The Traveling Willburys. George’s Rickenbacker now belongs to his son, Dhani Harrison.
320 series dont have f holes unless they are uk import version
Trivia Q&A: George got the second 12 string prototype serial CM107. Suzi Arden, a C&W Las Vegas musician got the first one.
Gerry Marsden of Gerry and the Pacemakers also got an earlier one like George's.
@@dog61 Yeah. George, Gerry, and Brian Jones all had early 360/12s
@@marcraygun6290 The 320s were the only Rickenbacker in the line that had an f-hole on both the US and Rose Morris UK export models.
CURSE YOU!!! I had a Ric 12 many years ago. I LOVED that guitar...until the first time I tried to restring it...it took every fiber of my being to not throw that thing into the wall! Mine had the "R" tailpiece, which makes the already difficult restringing process twice as hard. It sounded SO GOOD! Hearing you play in this demo is making me jones so hard for another one, but there is no way I will put myself through that mess again! lol!
Thanks for the great review!
Lots of tips and tricks to those involving tape and using capos to hold the strings. It can be done comfortably after the fact in about 30 min. First timers can take hours.
That sound is so sweet, nothing quite like it. I have a Rick but it's a 4001 bass.
@@TroublesomeOwl Same
If they would only use that body to make a guitar that would be sweet.
A 4001 on the show would be awesome!
@@showtime3162 Not the same quality, but I have a Harvey Benton that does that ... It looks ultra cool 😎.
I was pleased to stumble across it, as like you I love the 'wave' design of the Bass around the neck ...
Big Big
There is a Rickenbacker guitar with the same bodyshape as the 4001 bass. I dont know what the model is called or if theyre making it now but you can see one here m.th-cam.com/video/wikh0THvRhg/w-d-xo.html
Always amazes me how nice the distorted tones on Rics sound
Yeah , me too .
I see the 12 string Rick as much more associated with the Byrds than the Beatles. Love the sound on this one.
True, the first thought for me was Byrds and then I was like oh yeah George used that for a few albums!
George used it for a while and dropped it. Mcguinn was more of a folkie and turned the 12 string into his own field of study.
It’s the only guitar Mcguinn ever played, but you have to realize that the Byrds had never seen a Rickenbacker 12, it was rather new, and when they all went to see A Hard Day’s Night, they took note of what kinds of instruments they were playing, and the next day Mcguinn, traded a couple of acoustic guitars and a banjo and got his first Rickenbacker 12, but Harrison played it on Can’t buy me love, and the whole Hard Days Night album, then the next few Beatles albums.
YOU DO LISTEN! more rickenbacker content please! Love you trogly 😘😘😘. When I save up enough for a rickenbacker 4003 I'll go through you.
@@CaptainCraigKWMRZ well he won't learn unless people buy them through him.
I’ve owned two .. A Tom Petty 660/12 and a Harrison 360/12/63... both were extremely well built .. but the Petty 660/12 was so neck heavy it was insane!! The jangle comes from the octave strings being BELOW the normal strings not above like all others besides the Rick..
Yes, unlike every other 12 string guitar, the octave string is below the normal string on a Rick 12. But I have often wondered if this was an intentional design or just ignorance as is present in so much of the Rick12 design.
Tom Petty LE is the best.
I could have owned one for $700 when my friend closed his music store.
Big error on my part.
It hung for 3 years unsold.
I have this exact same model. It’s definitely a one-trick pony, but that one trick is essential for the music I play. I love the look - just doesn’t get any better than that in my book. Not sure if it was mentioned in any of the 100s of comments, but one thing Trogly got wrong- this historic reissue model of the 63 has two output jacks, but it’s not “stereo” like the Ric-o-Sound version in the more modern models. I wish mine had it but I wanted that Harrison look of the 63. This one has two output jacks but they both output the same signal- not one pickup to each or anything like that.
I was just going to mention this too about the jacks. I think the ones that have true stereo have their signature name "Rick-O-Sound" branding on the jack. Unless that changed all c63s I've seen are just mono. There is a lot of strange stuff with Rickenbackers though so I can see how people can get mixed up about certain things.
I think the best thing about 12 strings is exactly what you said at the end. They inspire you to write songs, just listen to ticket to ride or something like that.
It sounds awesome with distortion in those rock riffs. Never have considered using a 12 string for rhythm in a rock setting.
I used it like that for most tracks on a whole album.
It’s like having a chorus and an octave pedal in a guitar, but only for certain notes.
I like to describe a Ric-O-Sound on a 12 as having an entire choir of bells at your fingertips.
You have to admit these are beautiful instruments.
They really are
i purchased a 1998 360 fireglo from a pawnshop 20 years ago for $650 (mint condition with case) still use it to this day and it does have a very hot sound with distortion and the clean tones make you melt....not selling it anytime soon but i know they are worth a pretty penny these days.
Absolutely
Mmmh I honestly dont like the body shape, but thats just personal taste they seems to be fantastics instruments
I sometimes think I owe my entire musical career to Mr Rickenbacker. Enabled me to pose as a musician!
As someone who has George as one of his biggest influences on guitar (which also resulted in a love for Rickenbackers), I definitely approve of this guitar. You can’t help but love them, they just have that classic 60s sound
I think Rickenbacker has my favorite 12 string model ever
The sound of Jefferson Airplane and the Byrds too.. nice to see a Rick up close, a unique design!
I LOVE the Rickenbacker 12 string, and if I had the money to buy it, I would.
Honestly, I'd get a Stratocaster XII for a fourth of the price (as I like the sound better), but nothing sounds or feels quite like a Rickenbacker 12 string.
Now that’s a story that has been told for many years, and will continue to be told for many years
@@robadobflob3405 lol i just bought one from my local guitar shop yesterday. Its an mid 2000's mij one. Guitar center has the current run with the ones with the weird pickups.
Me too!!
@@hekakain4108 why do you have to come on a positive comment and gatekeep liking a popular guitar? Why? What enjoyment does that bring you?
The king of playing the 12 string was Glen Campbell wow he even picked the 12 string. I believe he loved the 12 string the best found it most challenging as the 6 string became ohhhh haaaa to him
I own one of the first 12s Hamer made him.
How did you come across that guitar there must be a story@@BobPapadopoulos
There is a video of Glen Campbell playing his solid body Ovation 12-String, he is ripping his way through solos and at one point plays the 12-String behind his back as well as with his teeth, amazing Man for sure.
@@hkguitar1984 I have saw that video I agree it is excellent. I do not see all they hype over Hendrex, Clapton and others. Glen has played on more number 1 hits than all of them and because he was country never given the recognition he deserves. He is mover versatile than all of them. The only other one that stand up against Glen is Eddie Van Halen in my books he was an inventor and wow he gave the guitar a new sound. Big names get you number 1 spot I guess.
@@hkguitar1984 there is also a video of him playing the "William Tell Overture " on his 12-string and then flips it up on his head and does runs with his pick, and doesn't miss any notes. ! Look it up .... and is also keeping up with the orchestra playing the background. ! AMAZING !
Rickenbacker guitars were the first guitars I ever considered to be my dream guitars. I played a 12 string one at Sam Ash and I loved it. I always love when trogly gets a rickenbacker.
Fantastic guitar! Wonderful demo. Thanks. I own a 1986 model of this guitar, and it is truly a custom shop quality. Looks just as nice after 35 years. Refretted with bigger fret wire and that made it more playable IMO.
As you saw, it comes with a six saddle bridge which makes it impossible to intonate accurately. However Rickenbacker makes a twelve saddle bridge that you can order but you have to file the notches for the strings yourself. I don't know why they just don't put the 12-saddle bridge on the guitar to begin with.
The 660 solid body comes with a 12 saddle bridge, as did the McGuinn model.
There is considerable debate online regarding the 6 versus 12 saddle bridge. Mine is a 1986 with the 6 saddle, and intonation is close to perfect. Someone recommended I change the bridge to the 12 and I declined because I'm not having any issues with intonation.
@@TheBissco When I had the one that I did, I did not notice enough to bother ordering the 12 saddle bridge either, It played great and I felt like I was holding a Cadillac amoung guitars, still kickin myself for selling it, not my brightest moment. They are way too expensive now. I got mine in 2002 for like 1200.00 it was used but might as well have been never played. I did play it though, but it still looked new when I sold it.
The tuning can be a little confusing when you get to the G string, but once it’s in tune it’s good to go. Beautiful guitar. I love the varnished fretboards.
I have always dreamed about a slotted headstock electric, if I ever got a signature it’d definitely be that way
Mine was a 330 from 1964, I just turned 69 last Sunday, so that guitar was a long time ago. Since then they have changed over the years, so when I was given 2 of them in 2013, they felt totally wrong, so I didn't even gig with them! John Hall Jr. told me that they used to rub in 40 coats of lacquer on them! I doubt they still do, but your can begin to see why it takes a year to get them. By the way, mine's serial # was DC289, and it was so long ago, that I paid $75 for it at the Hollywood GC!
I guess that they shined like the original Rolls Royce hand-polished front radiator grills then ... with the same pride in the quality of their work .
I would guess that the California oppressive use of chemicals laws had begun affecting Rickenbacker processes by 2013 so they cut back on some 'non-essentials' ...
They use to use conversion varnish for the finish. Unfortunately, it wasn't environmentally friendly, so they stopped. The most common models are often in stock at online retailers, but if someone is looking for one of less popular models, it will probably have to be ordered. One of the reason for longer lead times is that they build guitars in production runs and when they're done building them, they don't build any more of that model until the next production run. My 620-6 took a year to arrive.
The 5th knob, is actually a blender between both pickups, and only should be used in the center position!
With a pfp you seem to be the man to be trusted :)
Actually, no-it’s a secondary volume control for the neck pickup, like Trogly said. I always assumed it was a panpot too, until I wound up with a Ric 381. I never ran it in stereo, and of course I never used a Ric-O-Sound box either, as I never had one. A stereo Y-cord out of the Ric-O-Sound jack should work fine.
That little knob, is just another volume pot for the neck pickup, which is louder than the bridge pickup, let’s you add or remove volume quickly on the neck pickup when toggle is center or up.
That 5th knob is actually many things. www.rickenbacker.com/pdfs/manual.pdf
For future reference Troggly, if you really want to hear what those things can do...plug it into a compressor. The chime you get is unreal due to the sustain a compressor adds. Heck, Janglebox markets itself as a compressor especially for Rickenbacker 12 strings...and its true, you add that and its instant Byrds/Beatles sounds.
I love the sounds that come from those guitars
I've got a '91 360/12 in fireglo. Best 12 string, hands down!
Quick correction on this. The 360/12C63 model is actually one of the rare Rickenbacker models that, despite having two output jacks, does not feature "Ric-O-Sound" stereo outputs. Instead the two outputs are in a dual mono configuration where both output the identical signal of both pickups together. Additionally, on guitars that do have the "Ric-O-Sound" stereo feature, it is not that one output goes to the neck and the other goes to the bridge, but that one output is TS Mono (all pickups) and the other is TRS stereo with the bridge pickup going to Tip, the Neck (and middle if installed) Pickup to Ring, and Ground to Sleeve.
Beautiful! Brings back so many memories of 50 years ago! (some things DO stand the test of time) BUT, Y'might reconsider taking all the strings off at once. My service manual from my original (now ancient) 1964 360-12 clearly states 'the strings should be pulled and replaced ONE AT A TIME!'. Very time consuming yes, but maintains your warranty as the dual truss rod is an old Harmony design that F.C. Hall picked up when it lapsed its patent and it becomes less stable when tension is constantly worked back and forth changing strings en total, (like bending a wire too many times). Near as I can tell from recent reproduction instruments, the same design is still being used for authenticity sake.
Love when you do reviews of different brands. Tbh I feel your detail of specs, feel and overall rating are great. I'd love to see you do more brands like music man.
I watch this channel so much my wife calls it the "Trogly's Trog Trog Show" because she hears your voice so often in the other room, and whenever you say "First Fret Neck Depth", I spout those same words back in a very "Aflac" manner, because I feel you kinda sound like that when you say it, LOL. Cheers, love the channel.
Having owned a 620/12, I never could get use to the thin neck. I can see why Tom Petty had a wider neck made on his model. I've never played the c63 12 string, so I can't comment on the playability, but she she's a beautiful one, for sure!
I've got a 2002 model 360/12C63 George Harrison of course in Fireglow. Great sounding guitar - thin neck for 12 Strings not for fat fingers.
Ric-o-sound works like this (source is my 4003):
Jack closest to the strap pin is the standard mono output.
The one further away is the Ric-o-sound jack where a TRS Y cable (stereo plug to two mono plugs) needs to be used in order to split the pickup (Bridge is on the tip, neck on the ring).
Using a standard TS cable in the Ric-o-sound will only output the bridge pickup since the contact for the neck pickup is grounded to the sleeve.
Great explanation of the small knob and front pickup. I owned my 330 for over 25 years and always treated it like a blend that did not work so great. You clarified it on an earlier episode and I finally understood it :). Bridge pickup wide open and then a Tube Screamer for the solos through an overdriven AC 30 or a Marshall and it was always a delight !
This is the best twelve string ever made in my opinion. I can't wait to get one to accompany my 325c64.
Kept waiting for some 'Byrds' licks. I can't think of anyone more associated with the sound of a Ricky 12 string (or let's face it, a 12 string period!) than Roger McGuinn. That guitar is the 'Byrds' tone!
This is a George guitar but yeah...
Somebody had to say it.
Expecting byrds licks from Capt. Chutlu is misguided at best.
Such a cool, unique sound. Fascinating to hear that the jangle is there even without the tonne of compression that The Byrds shoved on it for Turn, Turn, Turn.
McGuinn used dual compression in seies in the studio for all of the Byrds' recordings.
The fifth knob controls the volume of the neck pickup, mainly so that it can be indendently lowered outside the overall mix. Otherwise, when switching from the lead, bridge pickup to the neck pickup, it would overpower the lead sound. It works extremely well for my 6-string Ric! I have it set and never really need to adjust it.
My Ric does NOT have any fisheyes in the neck paint, so, I assume those are flaws.
My biggest gripe is the pick-guard. I removed mine and replaced the screws with smaller ones to keep from damaging the guitar. Some guys like the pick-guard that way but I found it too high for my hand to rest on after playing all these years and, basically, uncomfortable (I tried it for quite some time that way before removal and just couldn’t adapt to it).
Nice job on the review, thanks!
You could always just remove one of the grommets. Each screw has two of them beneath. (at least on my 360W)
@@teleplucker6802 tried it, it was ‘t enough. Probably just going to trade it or sell it. It’s just not the guitar for me ....thanks for your reply.
Check out The Smithereens for some overdriven Rickenbacker tones. Their signature sound was Rickenbackers through Marshalls.
Also would like to see Austin contrast this reissue model with the “modern” 360 model with the rounded top and fully slotted headstock.
The Rickenbacker 12 String Guitars are interesting because on the bottom 4 pairs of strings the Low Octave Strings come before the High Octave Strings.
For stereo, you only use one output, the one closer to the endpin. Use a TRS cable to split out the two different pickups. It's NOT one pickup from each output. The other ouput is a standard output.
I love the sound of a distorted 12 string, it just sounds so massive.
Yeah, me too...also with a flanger or phaser going
Check out Jimmy Page doing the song, "The Song Remains the Same" from the movie, "The Song Remains the Same". He plays the whole thing on the 12 string. Solos and all because the 6 string is tuned for the, "Rain Song" which he goes into right after. Seeing that as a kid on the big screen at the midnight movies was probably the first time I realized what a guitar god was. Still quite impressive to this day.
@@EarthAltar Right on! 🤟✌
@@wesleyalan9179 Had to go watch it again for the billionth time. Lol.
th-cam.com/video/lzfPhQ0CU8o/w-d-xo.html
The Toaster's have 2 single coils in them . It is not a hummie. It does not sound drastically different then
their High Gain Single coil. Keep in mind the 'High Gain' is really a mildly overwound version of the 50's version. In '66 they overwound the regular single coil for Pete Townsend and it soon became the new standard model.The Townsend PU is killer. It is a hand wound, scatterwound PU. ...add to that it is triple chrome plated. I bought mine from Ric about 3 years ago and it was only $75.00 USD. Although it is not a drop in it is a killer sound. Remember Townsend used it for not just a clean sound but ran thru two dimed 100 watt Plexi Stacks. I put it in the neck position of my Fender Duo Sonic with a Duncan 55 Tele at the bridge. I get both early Townsend sounds from the one guitar.
I bought one of these around 1995 and it was honestly my favorite guitar I've ever owned. Pawn shops should be outlawed..I'm currently in planning to build a six-string and matching 12 string.
That looks like an old thunderbird. Beautiful!
These guitars are so good they even sound amazing when Trogly plays one.
Awesome.
I had one. Always wanted one. My sausage fingers really struggled to play clean chords. They are gorgeous guitars. American Classic.
Not Trogly stealing the guitar customer’s candy 😂 🍬
@@CaptainCraigKWMRZ the guy is buying a $3,000 dollar guitar, I'm sure if he wants some sweets he can buy them lol
The 2 output jacks - one is usually labeled "Standard" and one "Ric-0-Sound" but yours doesn't seem to have that labeling on the plate. The Standard out is full guitar (both pickups). Ric-0-Sound is a stereo jack (tip-ring-sleeve) with one pickup going to the tip, the other to the sleeve. The other end of the cable would break out to two 1/4 inch jacks so you could feed two channels on your amp, or two separate amps.
I love the design of the fret board. Rickenbachers are so cool because they’re vintage looking but kinda futuristic at the same time.
IMO, no production electric guitar looks as futuristic as a Rick 330/360, etc., even after all these years.
To the period it has that jetsons mid century modern look that is timeless.
Yes but Will it Chug??
With that bridge cover, I don't think it'll even palm mute, let alone chug. Tho, without it, absolute palm grater, apparently.
So you can feel extra bad when you bang your headstock into your desk
I never bang into my desk. Always another guitar. Kind of a two for deal
ouch, I hate it when that happens.
Desk, chair, whatever's there, my guitar will find its way to smashing Into it.
That touches on what led Pete Townsend to start breaking his guitars at the end of the night. He had banged the headstock from his Rickenbacker into the ceiling.
@@vansongs so with the Rick 12 and say a trusty SG you can have 18 strings flying around, kind of like a guitar Spider-Man. Cool!
I was lucky enough to get a 60’s version of a Ric 360-12. I have read that The flipping of the prime and octave strings was by accident but they just left it that way. Also, be very grateful you don’t have the original trapeze ‘R’ tail piece. While I love the look of it, the string holders are slotted. The strings will not stay inside like you showed with the modern tailpiece. They must always be under tension to stay put. I replaced the bridge with one having 12 individual adjustments. No tuning problems whatsoever. Same mediocre pegs as yours. Thankfully, it’s not my full time axe so I only have spend the hour it takes to change strings every other year, or so.
they sound GREAT with crunch and distortion. swirly shoegaze stuff sounds great too.
the output jacks do not work the way you said. one requires a stereo TRS 1/4" the other is used with a regular mono 1/4"
If you roll off the neck tone completely the third knob acts as a blend
knob. The up switch position is full bass. The middle position dials in
the neck and bridge pickup for a standard two pickup sound and the down
switch position is bridge pickup only.
I got a 330 a few days ago and was hoping you would do another Ric video! Thanks for the great content!
cool ! Have fun ! Love mine !
Trog I love your channel, but your enunciation of the letter T at times gets my aural OCD firing. 😉
Great video, I hope you'll do a Ricky bass in the near future.
im such a huge ricky fan, always so excited to see you review these guys!
manager at the guitar shop i go to has told me that rickenbacker is terrible for QC and a headache to deal with... always tells me not to bother with them but something about them is still kinda tempting! those bubbles on this fretboard are pretty shoddy though
Beautiful strange guitar. Good job man showing it!
Would love to see a Vox Phantom on this channel, love those weird little things.
Yes! Or a Vox Starstream or Ultrasonic with the onboard effects.
Vox just reissued the Mark series in travel guitar size, so you never know.
The two outputs are not neck & bridge. The one closest to the strap pin is a regular output. The one furthest away is a "Ric-O-Sound" Stereo TRS jack. one channel for each pickup.
What a stunning Case!!!! Love the Blue crushed velvet look against this beautiful guitar!!!😃
More Rickenbackers! Please!! 😀👍
Loved that review. It’s a very quirky guitar, but it does look fun. Not fun enough to shell out $3500+, but it definitely has a unique look and sound. That tuner key arrangement is both ingenious and weird in equal measure. Thanks for that one.
One jack is a mono jack, the other is a stereo jack that requires a stereo jack cable that turns into a Y cable with 2 mono jacks for two different amps, one amp for each pickup. Sounds great!
That fretboard radius though! Is that a 7"? That might be another measurement for the future of guitar reviews.
I have a 12-string with a 12" radius and trying to do bar chords on it is hellish, trying to get those middle strings to stay down. On the rare occasion I bring it out I'm tuning it down a half step or a whole step to relieve the string tension. So it wouldn't surprise me if they used a 7" on the Ricks. People are more likely to play folk-rock on these than shred.
Good point. I'm pretty sure Trogly has a complete fretboard radius gage set StewMac sent him.
It's 7.25 on this model. The other Rickenbacker 12 string models have 10 inch radius, but this C63 model recreates how Rickenbackers were in the 1960s.
You did your research and were accurate about everything minus the Ric-o-sound. The Ric-o-sound is a stereo output and you use a stereo splitter "Y" cable to run one pickup off to one amp and the other off to another. So if you're using the stereo output, it's only coming out of that one jack, not both.
The other thing, the center wood on the neck is also just maple. I think it may be a darker maple or they stain it or something.
That is one beautiful instrument. Re the headstock, anyway you slice it tuning a 12 string can be a pain in the ass to get just right but what a lovely sound when you do, worth the effort for sure. I would love to be playing that thing right now. Ricky's are solid instruments. Thx for sharing :)
This Ricky is a 360. Mine's a 330 - same body, but no binding, and mine has dot inlays. Mine's a 2002 model with "R" tailpiece, and I notice my tuners are sealed Schallers , inscribed with a stylish "S" and "Made in Germany" they look a lot better than yours. Also, your bridge is a six-saddle model, with two groves goughed into each individual bridge saddle.
When I got mine, I took it to a top guitar tech, who suggested I purchase a 12 saddle bridge from Rickenbacker (Today's price, $US125) , which I did, making intonation easier.
I'm afraid I find the neck too narrow, but my tech suggested a small improvement by installing a new nut, recut for maximum string spacing. I didn't go ahead with that mod.
One of the greatest pleasures I have experienced on mine is gigging "Tamborine Man" loud through a big marshal rig. The 12 string sweet spot really shined through. Enjoy your new guitar. What a great finish it has.
I am a Gibson guy. However, I own two Rickenbackers and they are fantastic and unique! Great Video!!
I had a rare ES-335 12-string a long time ago. It played well by was not nearly as nice sounding as a Rick. Humbuckers and 12 strings don't go.
Nice to see a Rick on the show. I had a 370-12 for a while. Changed the strings just once. Took me over 4 hours. I sold it.
the newer 360's have binding on the sound hole, 24 frets, and a R tailpiece. You have the George Harrison model
George's first rick 12 string. George also had one with the new style body later.
Nice review of a great guitar! Just a couple of observations:
The outputs are standard (mono), and Rick-O-Sound (stereo). You only use one cable at a time, not two for stereo sound. To access the stereo feature, you need a stereo cable and a splitter box or Y-cable, which is basically what the old Rick-O-Sound box did. For some reason, even though they still offer Rick-O-Sound on their deluxe guitars, they stopped making the box decades ago.
The trapeze tailpiece isn’t necessarily for 12-strings; it’s a vintage piece. Modern Rickenbackers feature an R tailpiece, but those have a reputation for cracking under the stress of 12strings. It happened to my Rickenbacker 330/12, so I replaced the R with a vintage trapeze, which is much stronger than the R.
George Harrison
Did George play this in both Beatles' movies? I remember him playing that model on a train in "Hard Days Night" and also in "Help" .
George actually had two Ric 360-12s-his first one was the double-bound one that Ric gave him in 1964, and later he had the more modern rounded-top version as well.
Maybe that's what he used for the doubled guitar solo in "can't buy me love"
@15:43 it sounds like the tone on Can't buy me Love
They're beautiful guitars. I'm a working musician but I can't justify the price of these things. I have a Schecter 12 string electric with humbucking pickups . It's an import, but it works.
Ricks are actually tri stereo. one output is mono and the second is stereo. so you could actually run it through 3 amps at once. that is what i do with my Rick.
Bought your tshirt. Good Vlog!👍
Love my 330/12. Gives me that sound I need that no other guitar can give me.
Like having a vintage guitar like my '65 SG. Again a certain sound it has that's all its own.
Unique sounds is what it's all about.
Something about the playing segment in front of the green screen looks odd as hell. And this is shockingly awesome. 🤘
To be fair I don’t think they have any choice as to which tuning pegs are for which strings and the way they “flip” from one side of the headstock to the other. Obviously the slotted tuners are “inboard” on the headstock compared to the standard tuners and if you tried to retain the first of each pair of strings being tuned by the conventional tuners you’d be left with your strings crossing over each other (or more precisely crossing over its paired string) on the higher strings side of the headstock. That would be a really bad idea.
Quite honestly, one of the absolute best guitar companies on the planet.
Quirky yes, but a cool factor off the charts.
Um, if you ask around a little more, you may find some who differ from your opinion.
@@Glicksman1 .....there's one in every crowd.
@@rodrossi9749 One? Yes, it's the coolest of guitars and the best-sounding electric 12, hands down. I have an old one and I love it. When I purchased it, the neck was curved beyond repair. I changed it for an identical one that is much wider at the nut that I had made by a very talented local lutier. I also had a single truss rod installed in the new neck and bought a 12 saddle bridge for it that just popped right onto the studs. It just may be the best Rick 360/12 of all.
I know this is impossible but... it would be so cool if Trogly could demo one of the Rickenbacker basses, like the 4001.
I did a 4005 a long time ago th-cam.com/video/KMYdCB0SfG8/w-d-xo.html
@@Trog Awesome. Gonna check that out.
What a fabulous sounding 12 string!!!!!! Thanks for the video
In college the lead guitar player in my band had a Rickenbaker 6/12. It was usually a 12 string but there was a lever that you could pouch that pulled 6 of the strings out of the way so it would play like a 6 string.
Probably a 366/12. It had a “comb” that grabbed the octave strings and pulled them taught against the main strings.
The stereo output is a splitter used with a stereo cable and a splitter box for separate amps or channels for each pickup.
The dark red in the sound hole is normal. And THANK YOU for correctly describing the fifth knob function at 6:45. I personally prefer the modern 12 Rick where the slots in the headstock go all the way through. I often string the treble side courses in reverse so that they are the same as the bass side.
5:15 good idea to put capo over the strings at the 1st or second fret to hold the strings in place.
The tone is fantastic. I hate playing 12 string but man that sounds sweet.
Congratulations on the vid. Still lusting after a 360/12c63!