ARM Powered ThinkPad X13s Review - Windows 11 Improves Things!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 มิ.ย. 2024
- Buy one at Lenovo - lon.tv/ijsfk (compensated affiliate link) - ARM windows is still a work in progress but things are much improved thanks to the combination of Windows 11 and the new 3rd generation 8cx processor for Qualcomm. I took the new Thinkpad Lenovo X13s for a spin and liked what I experienced. But it's still not for everyone. See more ARM on windows: lon.tv/winarm and subscribe ! lon.tv/s
VIDEO INDEX:
00:00 - Intro
00:46 - Who Is This For?
01:38 - Price
02:01 - Processor, RAM & Storage
03:01 - Display
03:46 - Build Quality & weight
04:30 - Keyboard & Trackpad & Biometrics
05:24 - Webcam & Speakers
05:47 - Speakers
06:03 - Ports & External Displays
08:17 - Performance: Office Apps
09:00 - Performance: Intel x64 & 32 apps
11:32 - Geekbench Benchmark
12:07 - Web Browsing & TH-cam
13:50 - Browserbench Speedometer Benchmark
14:20 - Battery Life
15:43 - Gaming
18:33 - Game Streaming
18:59 - 3DMark Wildlife Extreme Benchmark
19:53 - Fanless design & 3DMark Stress Test
20:40 - Linux
21:26 - Conclusion
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Not a lot of info out about this laptop, so thank you for your review! And thank you for explicitly mentioning Linux status (and geekbench scores).
Love the channel and the content and one of the few remaining true to its roots ! Keep up the good work . Also consistency on the benchmark comparison is fantastic!
Very promising! I can't wait for more powerful ARM based laptops to come. Thanks for the video.
Very nice to have ARM windows but that price is unforgivable.
The entire appeal for ARM based devices is price and power efficiency. 700$ For this tops.
Great video, I've been looking into this laptop and this video covered the most important questions I had. Does it run steam games, Da Vinchi and how it handles non-optimized apps. Now I know this laptop is not for me, have to keep on looking.
Well done as always Lon...what type of docking station are you using on your desk? Thanks!
Thanks - this is the one I have connected: th-cam.com/video/YzkdrnjOIkM/w-d-xo.html
Very comprehensive review except for info about photo editing app compatibility. For example, will Lightroom, ON1 and Topaz run on this machine? They run better on my son's early MacBook M1 Pro than on my giant HP workstation. I just want to know whether they: 1) will run; 2) are usable.
There should be a eShutter function in one of the function buttons
They should add a fan so you can push it like they do with the M1 devices above the air.
Did you manage to get Hyper-V boot anything other than windows?
A ThinkPad without a 180 hinge is like a Porsche without a low hood and high fenders. At least they kept the traditional same sized arrow key layout, unlike the full + half size combo on the Z13/16
Yeah, that's a pretty big letdown, IMHO. 135deg is not the same as 180deg. The End & Insert buttons are also merged into a single one compared to T14s, although I guess it's the same as the regular X13, too.
Windows with 20+hours battery life? This is a must have.
Can it run visual studio, vs code and sql server management studio?
Does ubuntu on windows work on it?
Nice review. Thanks. I like the mention of Linux installed on the laptop.
It’s cool that Windows on ARM is getting better. This one is kind of expensive though. I’d really like to see a Snapdragon powered Surface Go!
The pricing starts at 1,300 usd since Apple had set the base price of its MBA around that price. However, we r getting double the storage and ram, and if you add a little bit more you could get the version with a cellular modem.
It's a matter of availability. If more OEM got into the arm laptop market, competition could lead to lower priced laptop since thinkpad is usually reserves for the high-end/business market.
Lol it's more complicated cos of the working relationship Microsoft has with Intel....
@@RidwanGosal I don’t know. It seems like Apple’s implementation of MacOS with the M1 chips is still crushing Windows on ARM. But, that just shows the benefits of producing your own chips in house.
@@JoshuaElorm yes and no. Microsoft already has the Surface X and that has a Snapdragon chip. They just gotta find a way to make it smaller.
@@SoteroMurguia what do you mean making it smaller?
And we finally get to widespread kaleido 3 displays.. we'll get amazing batery life
Office isn't largely optimised on this thinkpad, it is optimised. Microsoft 365 apps run native on ARM64. The 8cxG3 is much more powerful than a midrange Intel or AMD CPU.
How many hours of battery? Please answer.
The 400nit screen option appears to have been scrapped, it's never shown on the website.
What we get in the US is different than what is offered in the rest of the world. We don't get the 400 nit display nor the 32GB RAM / 1TB storage option.
HEY!! Lon, you should do a video on the cheapest laptop for VR gaming. I'm lost when it comes to that topic. I'm 42 and been trying my best to come up with a cheap alternative from desktop. Being mobile is key here. Help!
So I would look for something that has an RTX 3060 minimum for the best results. That'll run the old stuff great and should handle the newer titles with lower settings well too.
@@LonSeidman Thank you for your input very helpful indeed.
@@_bob_8170 You would be fine with 16GB of RAM.
@@LazyPCRehab Thanks for your reply
Greatest review!
No dock connector setup like the Thinkpad x13 (intel). Shame. After years of indecision I try to buy every laptop Verizon is willing to sell with LTE, After awhile VZ will stop selling it and I usually regret not buying when I had the chance. I am eyeballing this model but it is so similar to many I already have,only advantage is aspect ratio, 16g ram, 512 ssd. Full time I use the VZ Arm Lenovo 5g 14" lappie, awesome but only 8g ram & 256ssd. I leave it run all day on battery, amazing battery life for this road warrior.
I almost really dig this machine. This would be great for salesmen that travel a lot. Couple odd things though. Many sales guys seem to prefer Thinkpads and many times they flip to that tablet mode when they browse inventories and such, so odd hinge choice. Another one is how come there is not a single USB-A port for backwards compatibility? But if I'd be such salesman. I'd definitely be interested in this. Battery life just seems awesome and I'm quite surprised about state of "emulation". Not bad at all, considering how new these Windows ARM machines are.
I expect because USB A ports mean a thicker laptop and that's the opposite goal of Windows on ARM. This is also Version 1 for Lenovo. Other designs will follow.
I cannot understand why people won't let go of USB A. The goal of USB C was to eliminate older standards and have only one connecter on most devices.
@@tvthecat reasoning was already mentioned. Also your reasoning applied to the original usb-a too back in the days. For business purposes backwards compatibility is absolute must in many cases and no, dongles can burn in hell 😄
@@bradavon that's one and obviously leaving A out is cheaper too for manufacturers. Then again, a and c difference in thickness isn't that big thing.
@@jothain Businesses should move to USB C as well.
i ve been trying to look at sites with specs and benchmarks for gpu's, i have a gt 640 and i compared it with the gpu in this laptop the adreno 690. and the adreno 690 has double the cuda cores or shading units, 4x the cache memory, 20x FLOPS of the performance FP64(double) and 3x the FP32(float) what ever that means. i dont really know how to interpret the specs, but it seems like its much better (from a site called gadgetversus). and my gt 640 can run the most demanding games i play like no mans sky, naruto storm 4, or astroneer. so shouldnt this preform much better than a gt 640?
oh its a compatibility issue. hopefully windows translation software catches up with rosetta when the volterra is rolled out and used.
The Adreno GPU is at best on the level of a 9 or 10 series Nvidia GPU.
Can you either Android or Linux sub-systems?
WSL2 should be a thing to my knowledge on ARM.
Yes, both WSL2 and Android are built for WOA.
So an ARM cpu will run x86 windows ? INTEL should be very worried
If you have a Raspberry Pi 4 with 4 GBs or higher, there is a Windows on Raspberry Pi project which will set up an SD card with Windows 11. It can run x86 apps like discord or steam (even some lightweight game from there).
Why ? the cpu is trash look at the benchmarks ...
The facts are this laptop lasted over 19 hours at 150 nits on a continous video play back over wifi (per another TH-cam tech reviewer). It is not acceptable to say this device is all about the battery life and then not report any battery life numbers.
You could have easily run a standardized battery test like PCMark 10 or at least done a continuous video playback at 150 or 200 nits over wifi like professional reviewers. What you reported does not help anyone watching this video to make an informed buying decision.
Bet if this were a MacBook Pro or MacBook Air, you'd have reported the actually numbers...
Loved the review, but agree with this point.
Someone got New Retro Arcade: Neon up and running onto a Steamdeck. That's also a VR retro game emulator.
I've been reading positive things about Asahi Linux being ported over on the MacBook Air Arm-powered M2.
Probably still 6 months or more before the changes are officially pulled into the linux kernel, but Linus himself is using their changes on Fedora so thats a great sign.
I assume Android would run on it right?
Seems a wee bit underpowered for the price. Now if that Snapdragon was closer to M1 performance, I think Lenovo would have a real winner here.
Microsoft team must work diligently to make better GPU drivers (Adreno and Mali) that match Android performance and make better optimization to their 32/64 x86 emulators
I think more than that they should focus on compatibility with existing Intel apps and maybe getting in a deal with Qualcomm for high performing chipsets, or design their own one. I think they do have their own chipset for Surface X but I might be mistaken. M series macs have excellent performance and compatibility with x86 versions.
@@SahilP2648 Compatability is done by emulation of x86 instructions.
To get the most benefits, developers need to tweak and recompile for arm.
You will see massive speed increase then.
There is only so much that can be gained when still using inefficient x86 apps.
@@martinhawes5647 well Apple seem to have figured it out with their M1 chips so ARM and Microsoft also should do the same
Z13 is the better 13” Thinkpad. Feels super premium, better camera, kills it in perf, usb-4, great trackpad, still has a great battery life.
The Z13 is better but it costs a kidney
Costs a kidney (as noted). x13s has all the power I require, *32 GB of RAM*, which is more than enough to future-proof me for at least five years, and has the best battery life of any laptop I've seen. I'm on-board.
USD 2200 ? Geez… No way!
Businesses don't care about how much computers pay. Like I don't consider myself anything special apart some occasional 3D CAD at work (Heck I'm machine mechanic, not that much of a designer or office worker) and I was quite astound when my desktop got upgraded with Xeon system with Quadro gparhics card that I looked and thought it cost something like 2000-3000 euros. I asked how come they got so good setup and just got answered. "Well if it saves even few minutes per day for next few years, it's good deal and that it's almost meaningless in big picture of IT stuff at my workplace".
Right! An ARM CPU should have made it significantly cheaper than an x86/x64 laptop
Reconditioned on Amazon for $500 now. $30/mo for 36 months with modem sim from T-Mobile. 🎉
@@edwarddodge7937m1 mac is still better when it comes to performance
Looks like everyone agreed, just got one for under $500
Sigh. Nobody seems to bother testing 4k video streaming (unless a machine actually has a 4k built-in display), but I reckon it is pretty important for a LOT of people. I'm biased, after I bought a new computer naively assuming "anything new today surely can play back 4k video easily", only to find out it is completely unwatchable on the micro PC (Asus PN41 with Celeron 5100 N clocked at just 1.1 GHz for a 6W thermal envelope...) I unfortunately bought.
Decoding the video streams takes a fair bit of CPU, so although the onboard graphics can run mulitple 4k displays at once, it is not always the case that you can plug in a TV and watch 4k Netflix, TH-cam and so on... and it doesn't seem like anybody tests this in computer reviews. A very strange omission in my opinion.
I mean you bought a 1.1 GHz celeron, that's kinda on you for buying one of the worst CPUs availale on the market.
it has an e-shutter :)
Windows on ARM isn't for Video Editing or Gaming.
Nice review. Thinking buying it. Thanks.
Cortex X1 in this laptop is a beast ... IPC (performance per GHz) better than AMD Zen 3 while lower than Alder Lake (Golden Cove core).
Cortex X1 has 6-wide integer scalar core (4x ALU + 2x Branch Units) capable execute 6 micro-ops per cycle. This is wider than Zen 3 or ADL (both are 5-wide).
Apple M1/M2 is 8-wide Godzilla (6xALU + 2x Branch Units) and has +40% IPC above ADL. Apple is at different level, 3 gens ahead or 10 years of development.
x86 has 5 GHz speed benefit while those ARMs run at 3 GHz so no wonder Intel still wins even they are behind in terms of development (low IPC) ... but of course it costs a lot of energy and you need big battery to deliver high current. That's why no x86 is in phone or tablet.
Since this year ARM upgraded mobile un-core so it's possible 4x Cortex X3 cores + 8x Cortex A715 cores (4x big + 8x middle).
- Cortex X3 has about +30% higher IPC than X1 .... 8-wide as Apple M1 with IPC of Apple A12 Vortex core, about +10% IPC above ADL
- Cortex A715 has IPC about Cortex X1 .... so 8 of these middle cores with IPC of Zen 3 instead 4x small cores A55 will be HUGE boost for MT performance.
- Cortex X3 will have 1600 pts in GeekBench 5 ST at 3.6 GHz .... pretty awesome at those few Watts.
I will make a decision when new Qualcomm based on Nuvia Phoenix will be out (early 2023). Phoenix should be Apple M3 level.
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Looks like x86 will die inevitably in couple of years. On 3nm TSMC these ARMs (future Cortex X4/X5) will run at 4 GHz so it will attack >2000 GB5 pts while running at 15 W TDP. This is why x86 will die soon. Apple has 8 decoders, Cortex X3 has 6 decoders (both has 64-bit support only, no 32-bit ARMv7 anymore), so very easy 4-byte fixed length RISC -> uOps (RISC) decoding. While x86 has variable instruction length encoding (1 byte up to 15 bytes) where 6th instruction could be anywhere between 6th byte and 90th byte (so 84 possibilities only for 6th instruction)... this is an exponential explosion causing huge x86 power consumption due to old obsolete x86 ISA. Intel found workarounds for ADL however it costs transistors, energy and money to develop. This wasting is not sustainable when they have to face to modern and very smart designed ISA as ARMv8/9.
So do you think that by 2024 ARM chips from the likes of QUALCOMM, MEDIATEK AND NVIDIA will be able to outperform Apple''s M series ?
@@mozzinator 1}Qualcomm may outperform Apple next year .... they bought start up Nuvia with chief architect of Apple A11/ M1 series. At least they will fight with each other who is the best.
2} Mediatek and Nvidia - Rest of the pack is using license ARM cores like Cortex / Neoverse. Last Cortex X3 has IPC similar to Apple A12 however it lacks 20% IPC to the last Apple A15/M2. Although X3 has 20% IPC advantage over Zen 3 (Ryzen 5000 series) and Alder Lake (Core 12000 series).
3) x86 like Intel and AMD are basically done. x86 instruction set is old and cannot be modified to be energy efficient. In two years ARM will take majority in laptops and servers. End of 2021 there were 10% servers based on 64-bit ARMv8 (64-core Amazon Graviton2 and 128-core Ampere Altra Max).
IMHO Apple and Qualcomm (in MS laptops) will stay in premium range so the biggest market influence will have cheap mass production of license Cortex (good enough and better and cheaper than x86) machines. Also next-gen gaming consoles (Xbx and PS) will probably migrate to ARM.
x86 isn't dying any time soon as its scalability from mid range to highest performance with modularity is an incredible feature for the task flexibility that ARM doesn't have. As Jim Keller said, the actual differences between the architectures are now quite small and everyone is pushing physics really hard. You are ignoring the part where Apple's wide design is only brilliant if you don't scale the frequency up too far from 3 GHz. They are pretty much stuck at it. So x86 will continue to wear the crown of absolute max perf. And Apple will need to innovate in other ways than pushing frequencies, however everyone in this industry is hitting the wall of ST IPC and majority of low hanging fruits are already taken (some of those are the easiest cheat: dedicated ASICs for specific functions). Moor's law is on its last fumes since the Dennard scaling died.
@@kazioo2 1) Which x86 instructions are responsible for scalability, please?
2) Do you realize the difference between instruction set (called ISA, like x86) and micro-architecture (HW implementation of that ISA)? You should know that server scalability is property of HW implementation. Good example is Fujitsu's super-computers based on SPARC. The latest Fujitsu is based on ARMv8 ISA with SVE vectors/matrix SIMD and pure CPU machine is beating all other super-computers based on Nvidia GPUs and x86 CPUs.
3) You should know that every x86 CPU runs inside as RISC machine. First AMD K5 CPU was modified RISC CPU called AMD 29000. Since than we have only internally-RISC x86 CPU.
4) That extra translation from old garbage CISC to modern RISC is what makes x86 inefficient and bloated (technically it's HW emulation). Future is RISC, it's always been (all historical 8-bit CPU were CISC like MOS6502, M6800, M68K, Z80, VAX and they evolved into powerful 64-bit RISCs like Alpha, HP PA-RISC, SPARC. There is no new CISC ISA, every new ISA is RISC like AArch64, RISC-V, Xtensa etc.). Intel and AMD CPUs are 80% RISC already. Just needed to throw the old garbage called x86 away.
x86 is dead, because CISC is dead 20 years.
@ARM-POWER 🤣😂 the fact that people think Qualcomm is even close to Intel, AMD, and Nvidia is funny.
I want this laptop for linux use.🤩
Same. Really itching for a ARM based linux computer.
Why u want lgbt os instead of windows?
🤣🤣🤣@@just_T4U
@@just_T4U Because of privacy. There is none on Windows.
@@noneedtoknowmyname2855 who u are? Billionaire? 😂
Windows security is more than enough for most, especially pro level Thinkpads"
I got this x13s i love it, but i wanted mac m1 before buying, but got this Just for 300$, m1 mac is more than 2 times expensive but not 2+ times better. Windows 11 works perfectly with arm, touch screen works perfectly all sensors, faceid works perfectly which will not work with unix
Coding on it too??
I love arm, but I hate that it’s not compatible the way x86 is when it comes to Linux.
It isn't? I've heard Arch and Ubuntu have tones of packages built for ARM.
I never used GNU/Linux for ARM but they exist. Android is Linux too :P
Excellent, ARM is the future really and Apple already showed us.
In a way but really Qualcomm has been showing us this for 10+ years with their arm phone chips.
can one run any windows programs ?
It's a nice progress but considering the price and use case it's better for someone to get a macbook air m1. Still looking forward for this tech to improve then I'm gonna slap a Linux in it 😂😅
i wish woa was available to android phones.
i have the x13s its awesome. really like the design . its actually more snappy than my ryzen3700x gaming pc. the screen is a bit disappointing. i have the m2 macbook air to. i prefer the keyboard on the x13s. the macbook has a better trackpad and a better screen and speakers. i think its over price for what it offers. my macbook air was $1300 an its the 512ssd version
For 1100$+ you can buy a beast of laptop or desktop. Name is only thing that is expensive here.
At least Microsoft has steadfastly focused on improving the Windows experience on ARM chips. A future version of Windows that will drop all legacy shit will definitely be what the ultimate experience on ARM will be and it will bring a lot of new innovation to the fore. I can't wait for that day to happen.
No USB-A, no 400 not option, and middling speakers, so disappointed. I was looking forward to this laptop for so long.
If anyone is still interested in these, they are rewlly cheap on the used market right now.
No fans but only 2242 ssd slot instead of common 2280.
No physical privacy switch for webcam.
Lid can't open 180⁰ flat
What's the heck Lenovo?
I initially thought that this would be ideal machine for ie. traveling salesmen, but that hinge is quite disappointing indeed. That being said target group is likely very mobile and I would've made it to turn completely for those short tablet like moments. I've seen few sales guys, with Thinkpads and many of them like to flip to tablet mode when they're quickly browsing through their inventory and such. Oh and also. Why on earth not a single USB-A port? That would also be crucial for many business users for compatibility and mass media exchange.
Computers have a lot more going on under the hood, so it's not so easy to simply replicate AMD and Intel's success with Windows. Qualcom and Microsoft will have to work continuously to improve the ARM experience on pc.
I just want linux on this one. 😢😢😢
im not a fan of this, ryzen 6000 has really good battery life if you place the same limitations like office apps, email, and web browsing (10 hrs SOT). while still being x86 and no compatibility issues. windows on arm is not even close to being ready. apple was able to convince software vendors to make arm optimized versions because they said they would be switching to arm for all mac products moving forward. meaning that if they wanted their apps to be on macos they had to optimise for arm since rossetta2 was a temporary solution in the transition. Since more than 95% of laptops running windows will continue to ship with x86 in the future, there is no incentive for Software vendors to optimize for windows on arm. So unless Microsoft starts paying fat stacks of cash to get companies on board, windows on arm will not pick up steam. In addition, if you care about battery life and you absolutely need windows because of some windows specific program, this wouldnt work either because it may not run that program natively and will need to be emulated which may lead to unpredictable crashes. you are better off sticking with a modern ryzen laptop or the m1/m2 macbook air, which will probably emulate windows better than this thing runs it natively
The implementation of the snapdragon 8cx gen3 is still bad despite showing a much better performance figure than 8cx gen2. Performance is close enough to Intel i5 1135G, except in the BrowserBench where the 1135G leads 189 versus 102. Battery life is likely better than the 1135G but part of that is due to it being slower at web browsing. And web browsing can be a significant portion of it's duties considering it might not reliable run many of the heavier software(especially as it will likely throttle even if the heavier software will run). I think Lon is a bit more forgiving for it's faults?
Why should you want to go away from Microsoft Edge? It is also based on Chromium. You would never see a video on Apple devices, where someone would talk about getting away from Safari, or Android/ChromeOS going away from Chrome.
Just a point of correction, Microsoft Edge is a Chromium browser.
Chromium-based.
@@Ipeacocks correct, it runs on the same engine as Google Chrome.
It's kind of funny that you'll often get better game performance and/or wider compatibility running Windows for ARM via Parallels on an Apple silicon Mac.
We have to see the TDP and TGP value of this system first. Last gen 8cx uses less than half of M1 uses when running games and applications. Which could attributed to its worse performance. Qualcomm simply doesn't scale to Apple Silicon, Intel and AMD level of scalability.
@@RidwanGosal Its more than scaling with power budget. Apple core’s are generations ahead in design and optimizations for running x86 code are baked into hardware.
Intel aplications, no such thing, its AMD64 x86 instruction set, AMD lets intel use it for a licensing fee. As for the laptop pricey for an arm based CPU I would purchase it for US $700 tops, performance not there needs a better translation layer.
Arm based think pad? Tempting
$1100-$2200 for a laptop that isn't a gaming or business system?
And It can't handle all the apps normal x86 Windows laptops can?
I don't think so.
Also, you forgot to mention how long the battery life of the laptop is.
They Wilding for that price might as well get a gaming laptop with a rtx in it
@@jeromefym9548 I know right? XD
ASUS TUF GAMING F17 is $1000 and it runs circles around this ARM system. Does everything I need and then some...Ofc I have an unorthodox setup with mine (secondary monitor, external keyboard, external speakers, Logitech MX Master 3, etc...).
Still...for $1000+ I'd rather get a gaming laptop. You can do everything on them, and don't have to worry about comapatibility. What good is battery life, if the computer can't run everything you throw at it?
And another one, why are they STILL so expensive for an inferior software experience?
With cheap speakers and a plastic-y touchpad. Even staying this brand and size, the Thinkpad Z13 kills this thing.
Well if I'd work as ie. circling salesman and could choose computer. I'd get this for work. To me it would be all about battery life. Also Thinkpad lineup has NEVER been about gaming. It's all business models.
@@jothain I see. Makes sense I guess. That's why Lenovo has the Legion line for gaming.
A little more performance, a little more 64 bit compatibility, and more price competition with HP, Acer, Dell, on ARM laptopswill make this tenable.
Yeah...for the price, this doesn't seem like a great option. I can't see why someone would choose this over say, a refurb Dell laptop with a midrange processor and a 3060. Better performance for maybe 70% of the price.
That specific kind of laptop is really not filling the same niche as a thin and light. But you're not wrong about the price to performance of literally anything else.
@Chris D well you stick to video editing, photo editing and music production
Also, this is NOT for you if you're into printing and happen to own -or have at work - one of the thousand different printers that have absolutely no driver support for Windows on ARM. just saying.
Looks pretty interesting but it's absolutely useless without linux.
The price is not competitive with "entry level performance" from Intel/AMD laptop... We are far from having a good ARM apps selection for Windows, unlike Apple with M1/M2 CPU.
Yeah I'm quite shocked with the browsing performance. Guess it doesn't have the required single thread performance for internet browsing on windows.
And Im not buying executives don’t care, they want to run office and will pay $2000+. Executives don’t run office. They have people do that for them.
This is not entry level performance, this is 10th gen Intel i5 performance or even better. App selection is pretty good on my M1 Windows 11 running under parallels (with double layer of emulation). The vast majority of software that do not require a dedicated GPU run fine
tbh Apple isn't flawless by any means. Yes I own M1 Mini and been somewhat disappointed about it.
Edge is Chrome though
It's expensive, then run at half speed of similar price laptop 😂
I suggest devs to use thinkpad Z13/16 or T14 gen 3 with AMD series instead 🤷♂️
Way too much $$$ Office 365? No way.
If you're not going to describe battery life in HOURS, don't even bother mentioning it.
Puzzling to waste time and effort knowing the cpu isn't even close to where it should be for that price should have taken a page from apples book
No seriously, just get the M1 macbook air.
I just bought one for 350
Where bro?
I bought one from a IT consultant from Qualcomm
I find Windows on ARM (WOA) pretty bad. The battery life promises on my SP X SP2 never got close to being true. For a start you have to have it on highest performance mode otherwise in many apps and browsing it sucks, slow at loading and gets out of sync with videos. WOA software and hardware is generations behind Apple and why anyone would choose a WOA machine over a Mac is the million dollar question? Of course, no one should, especially as the X13s is more expensive like for like.
I hear that in 1-2 years there may be a better WOA chip out there, but with software so behind, even then it will be far from perfect. Easy pass.
SP X has notoriously slow processor. Current gen snapdragon flagship processor performs relatively well even when downthrottled for best battery performance. Heck, many TH-camrs praise zenfone 9 for its battery longevity despite it has lower performance on default power mode. They don't even notice it.
Once again here you are blantantly lying about Windows devices you have NEVER owned. Is you life so sad that you have to always post flat out lies? You Apple fanboys are pathetic. Dan Rubino of Windows Central has called the SPX the device of the year and uses it as his daily driver.
I own a 2020 SPX it gets over 13 hours of battery life watching TH-cam continuously with brightness at 40%, battery saver on, wifi on, and Bluetooth off. Thre is no other computer-tablet like it because SPX is a specialized device for a segmented market. Apple and its users are not smart enough to understand the market is segmented, so keep spending over $ 3,500 buying 3 devices instead of 2, and over $2500 buying 2 devices instead of 1...
Uh Gaming is really really slow. Look at GTA5. A older 5625U can run this game at 50fps at 1080p.
I stopped watching when you said it could run light applications at $2200. What in the actual scam?
Battery and integrated mobile connections obviously
Way too expensive for what the specs are. Honestly, even a Macbook M1 would be a better buy.
a good case of good hardware and bad software.
This is a bad laptop for 1100 quid, the only good thing you get is adequate battery. Lenovo and Qualcomm can do better
why would anyone buy that?
Don't really see the advantage here. Stick to a Chromebook if you want the limited tasks this can do just to achieve optimized performance/battery life. Also, simply running in throttled fanless mode on many laptops will get you stellar battery life, albeit slow performance but probably not much different than this.
you don't have a fanless mode in most laptops and this is more powerful than most of them running on low power mode. And a Chromebook is not even close to Windows on Arm
Well it's business class laptop. As Lon mentions. To vast group of users it's all about 360 working and Chromebooks don't even have it.
The more I see how slow these arms Windows laptops are progressing, the more I am looking at Apple's M series. I just can't fantom spending $1200 or 2200 USD for a laptop with so many limitations when Apple offers strong and fast competitors at the same price points. I'm a PC guy, always have been, but Apple is beginning to change my mind.
You do know that intel's 12 gen P series have Apple's M series beat in Laptops right? now the Only Advantage Apple's M-chips have is Efficiency. otherwise in terms of Raw performance (Single or Multithreaded) alder lake and Upcoming Zen 4 will beat Apple in terms of Raw performance
@@mozzinator No shit Captain Obvious. That's why the interest in these ARM processors, for battery life. I am not going to carry a laptop for 48 cores and a small nuclear power plant everywhere I go.
Who is sane enough to buy this? Why do you want to waste your money on a device which is not fully functional?
I would only buy it at a serious discount like sub-$500. But at $800 you can easily get a far better machine that is fully functional and more.
Thus laptop is garbagio
Why are all non Apple trackpads so terrible? Stop being cheap manufacturers and just pay up to use whatever patents Apple have.
LOL $1300+ dollars, what are they smoking?? get a dang M2 macbook air and run Windows on Arm in a VM and it'll probably be faster and get better battery life AND you get to run Mac at the same time. Lenovo REALLY needs to lower the price of these things.
Exactly .. people need to stop buying these things.
Fanless is so lame.
terrible cpu ...
Windows on ARM is still garbage though.