Quick links - Final Fantasy 7 to 10 - 2:10 Final Fantasy 10-2 - 13:26 Advent Children and FF7 Spin-offs - 16:01 Final Fantasy 12 - 18:26 Final Fantasy 13 - 23:17 Final Fantasy 15 - 32:07 Golden Age Immersion - 34:38 Square Staff - 40:50 Sales Figures and Fan Polls - 43:54 Sakaguchi's Departure - 47:18 Final Fantasy VII Remake - 49:12
@@havebadday7850 Hi, I talk about this in detail in my Remake Review video th-cam.com/video/0mZIJ9gHTqQ/w-d-xo.html but in short, I wasn't a fan of those changes...
This channel is a hidden gem on TH-cam. Keep making videos man, you're good at it. Persistence and consistency and you could make it big with this level of quality
Thanks man, that's kind of you to say. Work is making it difficult to make videos at a decent pace, but I want to try. It's always nice when someone stumbles across the channel. Gives me motivation. Cheers! :)
Ffxii still had amazing gameplay and pushed the ps2 hardware to its limits only storyline was disappointing and everything afterwards was mediocre at best.
The franchise did suffer a heavy loss with the absence of Sakaguchi, but given how he had no involvement with FFVIII and X (as he was busy with IX and Spirits Within at the time, and why he's just credited as an "Executive Producer"), it shows that there was still potential with the team they still have today. I think what really put the nail in the coffin was the chase for more and more realistic visuals at the expense of everything else. As graphics became more sophisticated and the story became more cinematic and requiring more resources, the more compromised the gameplay and density of the plot/content was. When you look at how a lot of smaller scale linear action/adventure games today (such as those pumped out by the likes of Naughty Dog) already need a dev period of many years to be realized once the PS4 era hit, it seems like it has become almost a dream now to see AAA JRPGs on the same scale as those found in the past. The only JRPGs that still manage to recapture that glory are the ones that don't chase after realistic visuals, but go for more stylized graphics that don't demand a lot of time and manpower, such as Dragon Quest XI. Meanwhile VIIR has to go through this multiple installment plan because recreating a globetrotting journey is understandably ludicrous, and it's only going to become more taxing once they transition to the PS5 era. This is why sandbox/open-world titles seem to catch SE's fancy as of late, as they're relatively more manageable when you can reuse a lot of assets to create one large territory instead of an entire fleshed out and diverse world.
idk me and millions of others still seem to enjot 13, 14, 15 and all that stuff, so it sounds like you people yell the most while the majority are... playing the games instead of crying.
Really enjoyed this, its rare to find a good Final Fantasy retrospective view that goes back to how we thought of games in the 90s and as each release came out. Good to hear it from another Irish dude too!
It’s made with passion but I still don’t really think the arguments in this video for why ff games fell off in quality was very good. Disregarding 14, I don’t even necessarily disagree that there was a “golden age” of the franchise which has come and gone, but if I didn’t know any better, this video wouldn’t really sell me on it. To me this video comes off as just overly sentimental, cherry picking the best things about the old games because they’re old while only pointing out the worst things about the new ones because they’re new. And some arguments were just disingenuous from the start, like his entire criticism of Hope and Sazh’s characters in 13 or the whole notion of 12’s Ivalice not being as immersive as the older game’s settings. Most of all though, the omitting of any FF14 talk in the video aside from briefly mentioning 1.0 bombing and ARR was… odd to say the least, considering that even by the time this video was made, the game was already making just as much money as most other ff games, SHB and HW were already some of the highest rated games of the series (because of their stories and characters might I add), and Emet Selch had already surpassed even Sephiroth on Japan’s popularity poll.
Basically the FF I to X, Squaresoft era. I agree with story, character, I add interesting world building/lore, beautiful OST and visuals, basically the complete package, that what makes most anime, movies and games, pieces of art. That's why I love Ghost in the shell franchise so much. They had that.
Some additions/semi corrections : FFX-2 was planned and greenlit after Yoichi Wada took over after the removal of Sakaguchi as a direct respose to the merger with Enix being threatened by Squaresoft's recent economic issues. Those issues, far from falling at the feet of the spirits within, began when Sakaguchi demanded that FFX be delayed into the next fiscal year which put Squaresoft in the red on its financial reports for the first time in company history. Sakaguchi registered the Mistwalker trademark and begin planning his departure before The Spirits Within was even launched. This ushered in the Wada era of company policy that would finally break with Sakaguchi's strict "no sequels" policy. Many people seem to not know that the planned merger with Enix predates Squaresoft's financial woes and that the change in company policy was done to save the merger, not the reason why the merger happened. Sakaguchi's policy of moving on from titles and not creating extended universes was seen as a financially unsound policy and his butting off heads with other department heads is what lead to the desire to get rid of him, and the failure of TSW combined with the FFX delay become the pretext for removing him in favor of Wada which was the person responsible for FFX-2, the FFVII extended universe, the FFXIII trilogy etc.
Ah these are really interesting points. Thanks for sharing. I can see how tension was building with Sakaguchi in the background. Square can't have been happy. Cheers for checking out the video!
The price you pay for choosing the integrity of the art over making money. SE were clearly concerned about making money from soulless sequels whereas sakaguchi chose integrity over that. Makes sense from a business standpoint but has cost the company their standing in the gaming world, shadow of their former selves because all they have a re sequels to milk the fanbase and can’t write anything original that doesn’t suck.
I'm shocked to see how many dislikes there are on this video after watching it. Excellent analysis on FF's fall from greatness and how it lost its ways. Subscribed 👍
Story and Charakter. I agree. Thats what Sakaguchi and Uematsu made best. I think it was a some kind of magic to the development of these games. Even Shinji Hashimoto, a very important man for Square, who was involved in many projects said years after this "golden age", in an Interviewe about FF IX that there was a kind of feeling during the development of VII, VIII and IX that was uncomparable . He said everyone felt that he was involved in a process of making something important. Sakaguchi said in an interviewe about FF VII that the story of the game was a kind of emotional processing of the passing away of his mother 7 years before. He also said that most other developers made stories so people would play their games. He made games so people would listen to his stories. I think most of developers dont make games in this way, especially not today.
You get it bro. Final fantasy isn’t final fantasy anymore. It’s a hollow shell. With sakaguchi heading into retirement the return of that age seems unlikely. Nomura can’t write and wants to play metro fashion fantasy more then create unforgettable worlds. 16 looks interesting because Nomura isn’t there
Great video! I couldn't agree more with what you said here. I grew up in the 90's and I feel lucky to have been there when these classics were coming out. I just ordered the Pixel Remasters today and I am planning on making a run through from FF1-FF10. I just discovered your channel and will be going through your library. All the best.
Real great job, dude. We heard about you on Reddit. I'm so engrossed by your movie here I'm finding it hard to get back to reading what I was reading! Thanks! MITM
"Its fractured release meaning we won't fully realize Square-Enix's triumph or failure for years to come." Well, you were wrong about this one. They failed so spectacularly that we didn't even need to wait.
I hope we can someday return to decent FF games. I might be blinded by nostalgia, but i honestly believe that FFX was the last true "Final" Fantasy. Every game since then has been a hollow shell, failing to capture past levels of greatness in the series. FFVI is my favourite, followed by FFVII and FFIV.
FFXI and FFXII were done differently, but very much Final Fantasy at their core. One was an MMO, but every bit of the story and approach was traditional Final Fantasy. FFXII was a return to Ivalice, the most well-written setting in Final Fantasy, but the story approach put people off as the focus wasn't driven by archetype characters and their backgrounds as the center piece. Tinkering with the formula started with FFX more than anything, yet still was faithful, but only the decline started with FFXIII. Where XII tried to cater to those that didn't play the MMO, XIII was meant to be a departure and playing with the mechanics and storytelling took a nose-dive. FFXIV is probably the most Final Fantasy game that has been done in recent memory, which is saying something about the single-player titles. Creative Business Unit 1 just isn't what they used to be or can't figure out what they want to do with the series anymore.
It's absolutely breathtaking how amazing this video is. You will definitely see more subscribers with good content like this. I completely agree with you on Square changing the bombing mission. I pray the remake can live up to the original game, which had memorable characters who were flawed and engaging. I'm 18 years old now and I never got to experience the golden age of Final Fantasy. But recently I was taken on a journey when I managed to get my hands on a ps1 and FF7. The games graphics meant nothing when the story was so compelling with many complex characters and depth to the plot. The bombing mission serves as a perfect grey area for our heroes. The fact that they changed that is super concerning.
Thanks for your comment!! Really appreciate it. I've started playing the Remake and have approached it with as much of an open mind as possible. Will definitely share my thoughts in a video once done.
@@orion8550 Look forward to it. I already have my pre order in. It took a bit to convince myself though. The orginal game was a complete product. This seems like it may be interesting, but full of padding to meet a good average play time per player due to it being the first few hours of the orginal game.
@@godfrey4461 Can I ask your opinion now all these months later? I often ask people because I am genuinely interested in how people have processed FF VII remake, for good or bad.
Finally got around to watching this, I wanted to do it months ago but forgot to do so until now. It was overall incredibly well scripted and edited and it made me reflect on my own experiences with these games which I really appreciate. Great job!
amazing content! the end of the golden age for me was Hironobu Sakaguchi leaving: he recognized talent and put them into the right place. for example tetsuya nomura, an amazing character artist who did most of the golden age FF designs, but as a director of a final fantasy game like FF7 Remake? the same with Advent children, the story and writing is a mess...
As a lover of the early games in this series, this is documentary is spot on. SE would be wise to heed the insights here. This is what final fantasy is and should always be about. It seems obvious that every attempt to make final fantasy more like something else is when they miss the mark. This is my impression of FFXVI trailer as well which seems like its trying to ride the GOT wave in narrative and aesthetic. The beauty of FF is its originality, depth, character, and story. You cant master those by immitation. Well done on this. I look forward to more content from you
I'm a bit late to this video but thank you for putting into words how I've been feeling with the franchise. I'm 28 now and fully experienced the golden age in all its glory - I still re-play these games even now. I remember feeling so excited for FF12 after playing FF10 and just found myself completely disconnected. The same thing happened after the FF13 release and then again with FF15... Oh well! Nothing will ever come close to the golden age games ❤️
Great video, man! "I can confidently say with the fullness of time Final Fantasy X has one of the greatest stories in videogame history. I can say this because of how it makes me feel". Never related to anything more. Looking forward to your future videos. :)
Incredibly poignant and lovingly made documentary. Thank you for putting into words my own feelings about those Golden Age titles and my ever dwindling excitement for each new main title. Having fallen completely in love with FF7 back in 1998 after getting the PS1 for Christmas in 1997, i was blown away by its engaging characters, story, stunning music and CGI. I was beyond excited for FF8 and was bursting to play on Christmas Day in 1999, feeling so lucky to put the first disc into the console to play for a couple of hours. I became obsessed with it and fell in love with those characters just like I had with FF7 but it was new and different, which I loved. I restarted those games time and time again to relive key moments. FF9 was another memorable experience. It felt a world away from the previous 2 titles, but I nonetheless fell for its charm and beautifully constructed story. I rushed to buy a PS2 so I could get FFX on release day and was blown away by its huge leap in graphics and once again fell in love with the array of characters and story. FF12 was a let down for me and one one I struggled to get into. I do want to revisit it now that I am older. I never played FF13. FF15 I enjoyed for a while but became bored with the constant driving and slow repetitive griding to learn the battle system. I need to go back to finish it as I lost interest in it. Over recent years, I have started playing each title in order beginning with FF1 and working my way through them all, most recently with FF10, so I hope to have played every title in full eventually. I too just wish to see a return to the more simplistic games over yesterday. With a shift in focus from graphics to incredible, deep storytelling, without the overly complex and convoluted plots that detract from the main story. It is so achievable with the right direction and heart. I believe it will happen one day.
Phenomenal video my dude....Ive been meaning to make a video on how moving to fully 3d environments has killed the epic scope of final fantasy games..hopfully i can get round to it...but i enjoyed your work
People saying 'why no IV, V, Tactics etc' should bear in mind that none of those games were originally released in Europe. (Or, as far as I'm aware, anywhere outside Japan or North America) By his accent I'm assuming Orion grew up in Ireland, and for those of us in Europe, FFVII was not only our first Final Fantasy game, it was the first Final Fantasy game we were even capable of playing. 'Golden Age' is going to be by definition subjective and I took Orion as embracing that in this video. At any rate to me and a lot of people like me, the games before FFVII are usually emotional non-events because we played them (if we even did) out of their era, much later on. The nostalgia just aint there.
One thing that is never mentioned is pacing. In the older games you went from location to location quickly. Nowadays you spend 3 hours in a linear copy paste dungeon. So boring.
The sphere grid was so well done, it is the inspiration for path if exile - the most critically acclaimed arpg of all time. It's skill system is also basically materia.
Yep. I wanted a materia system for so long and found it at a surprising place. The best thing about FF X in my opinion is that SE finally did a great leveling system, but I also hated the locks and having to find keys. I would not mind a 3 link in FF VII, but it should not go as over the top as PoE. PoE is more or less insane in this regard and with the cluster jewels it made the level grid more interesting, but I can only imagine the hell of learning everything for new people.
@@vincentgraymore If you think the locks were bad, the resources you need to gain spheres were originally harder to get. They gave them out aplenty in the north american version to the point where they almost may as well not exist. I didn't have a problem with locks because I stole from practically everything. I sent Kimahri down Riku's path, which even allowed me to find a level 3 keysphere off a fight that only he participates in against Biran and Yenke. Having two really fast characters with the ability to throw 'al bhed potions' really helped in several fights too (but then Yuna was always underleveled for me as I almost never used her) Man.. now I want to play FFX again...
I remember when I was in Infantry basic training. On long ruck marches i would hum the songs from FF 8, 7, and 9. Before it was over people was humming balamb garden and didnt even know it. 😂
Modern FF writing is robotic in a way that's hard to explain. Take FF XIII for example. In a normal story, a character who's a tough hardass like Lightning wouldn't be a tough hardass 100% of the time, it would just be a slant to their personality. How they respond to events would still be colored by a massive number of factors, making them feel dynamic and real. This is why FF VII has the best writing in the series. You can basically feel each character thinking and having an internal monologue, and some characters seem to think more like Tifa and Aerith, while others are more gung ho like Barret and Yuffie, but something complex is always happening in their heads, and they respond like real people to what's happening. In XIII this just isn't the case. Even when everything goes south, Lightning is still the confident badass, Snow is still the happy-go-lucky hero. They're not allowed to emotionally respond to whatever's happening in front of them, or have independent thought. They will only "develop" when the writers decide it's okay.
Lightning returns was pretty good Imo @5:55 hey! 8 is my favourite! - the fact they were all from the same orphanage was critical to the story. It's why the sorceresses power works to tie them to the past - she has to know them, even if they've forgotten her.
Hey that's interesting. I guess I've never really looked at it from the sorceress angle, and how that helps serve that side of the story. I think they still could have handled it better. Even make half of the characters come from the orphanage, so it doesn't seem as weird. But all of them having come from there and then they all happen to be brought together, with no other hangers on, just didn't sit right with me.
@@orion8550 when you are dealing with a story about time travel and people manipulating events, you can start to see why a sorceress like edea would want to have all the major players as much under her thumb as possible. There was a 'hanger on' - Rhinoa. That was the point. She was the one that altered the events of the timeline because edea didn't raise her. I guess the things seem weird because they weren't well explained, you had to look at a deeper layer. It's the same with the whole thing about cloud being a clone - it relied on a misunderstanding of what the game means by 'clone' and also on one specific optional cutscebe to realise that, yes, cloud is just like all the robed guys with number tattoos - he just escaped and found someone that knew him (tifa) before he cometely lost himself. This was better explained in crisis core, and from what I've seen of the remake it's a little more clear that cloud has connections to sepberoth and the reunion that weren't as obvious in the original.
I agree with you totally, FFX has one of the best stories of any medium period. I felt for all the characters from Tidus to Yuna and even sin. Amazing game. I played FF X2 imidiately after 10 and I hated it, it was su h a huge departure from X story wise and game play that I just could not stand it
Most of us in the 30 to 40 range stopped hoping jrpgs would go back to their roots and moved on to Western rpgs. I for one have no regrets. Jrpgs still havnt gotten good again, and western rpgs keep getting better and better all the time.
I totally share your sentiments about the story and characters being number one. I gotta admit I'm not even the biggest gamer, but when I was a kid, I would get enough enjoyment out of even watching my friend just play it because I was immersed in the story like it was a movie. His step-mom would even say, "hey X, let Y play," and I'd be like nah it's alright, just because I was so locked in to thinking about the world of it all.
36:43 Honestly. I never thought FF8’s world was like that. But hearing it now really does make it more interesting now that I can relate to using Card Games to escape the Real World. Still, I can’t fully agree. Cause the world in FF8 feels less Fleshed out compared to FF6, FF7, FF9 & FF10. And 12…to some extent🫤 FF8’s Lore and World just feels Half-baked to me, more so than FF13’s, cause while FF13lore is a mess, it tries to explain the difference between L’cie and Fal’cie (as piss poorly as it can). FF8 doesn’t explain anything beyond Squall. The World is literally revolving around him by the end-point of the game. You only know about the Sorceresses (as characters). But the war, the God of the world, the Mythology, the World and how it was before - and Barely any detailed hints on it, sure a few rare magazines, but nothing really substantial! I get that the world sorta hit a “Dark Age” where no recordings or Historical Records exist. But then you have Esther! That Damn city! Like that Place has more than enough room for a Library on the Sorceress War and it’s History!
I agree with all that you have said as much as I love 7 remake I would be happy to go back to a classic turn based style better story less emphasis on looking pretty
I loved this so much, thank you! Imo I think IV and V deserve a spot on the golden age list. they get forgotten but for me- Cecils transformation from an insecure, disillusioned dark knight to a confident paladin was iconic.
Thanks for your comment! Yeah, that scene is such a powerful moment. Really stays with you. Great game. For some reason V has never drawn me in fully but maybe it's time for a revisit. Thanks :)
@@orion8550 I've really enjoyed all of your videos and insights, I really appreciated you ff7R rant aswell, it really solidified what I was feeling going through that game. Cant wait for more of your videos, I subd.✌🏽 had V for ps1 and alot of moments stuck with me, alot of character moments: the introduction of Gilgamesh as a more fleshed out villain. Faris' backstory was really interesting for it's time. ❤
@@MizzFujin Thanks so much. I really appreciate it! I'm happy if anyone even discovers my videos so it's great to hear that you've enjoyed them. I'm definitely going to go back and give V another play - you have my word on that!
excellent video however final fantasy 4 and 5 should be included in that golden age too. VII remake was great and XVI looks promising so here's hoping we're back to the good ol days.
@15:00 yes, this. I liked spirits within but this is what killed it. This and the merger. Square and enix were no longer competitors and the quality dropped.
I think you were a little too harsh on FF12. I definitely agree that it was a mistake to make Vaan a main character, or to even include him or Penelo. But the other four characters were still great. The story, gameplay, and soundtrack were all great. I liked it a lot better than 10 and 8. I think 13 was really the first major plunge in the main series. (Or maybe 11, I wouldn't know because I never played it.)
Thanks for the comment! 12 is a lot of fun to play. And yeah ... Ashe, Basch, Balthier and Fran. Great characters. I guess it all just left me frustrated at the decision SE made. Amazing soundtrack.
Classic Age Era - (FF1-FF3) - 1987 to 1990 Golden Age Era - (FF4-FF10) - 1991 to 2001 Merger Era - (FF11-FF12) - 2002 to 2008 Dark Ages Era (FF13-FF15) - 2009 to 2019 Silver Age Era (FF16, FF7R, and other future remakes of classic games) - 2020 to present
@@orion8550 Have you checked The Night Sky Prince channel? In his latest videos, he talks about his concerns about how the story of FF7R will go forward in part 2, and I believe he shares pretty much your oppinion (maybe in a slightly more cautious way). Anyway, I just want to thank the fact that there are still youtubers that can share a critical perspective with SE products (especially FF7 remake), and it's positive. It's important to give them constructive feedback so that they can take it into account in future products.
@26:40 *Husband they were married, that's why snow calls lightning 'sis' If you play type zero you start to understand - the fal'cie are basically crystals. Being chosen by a fal cue us basically being chosen by the crystals in the first 5 games. They didn't draw the parallel well enough, though.
Goddamit you did a great job mate! I couldn't agree more with what you explained! I kept wondering myself if it was nostalgia but I agree 100% is the way these games made you feel! They make me feel the same way years after I first played them...
Them still doing playstation exclusives is what's killing the games. When will these companies learn to not do that with their best games, they are only hurting themselves.
You’re mistaken about FFIX by the way, Terra is not another planet currently it’s inside gaia there’s no travelling to the stars at all. The party get there via the shimmering isles. When you go to places from Terra that are now in gaia such as ipsens castle notice the chests there are completely different, this them hinted at the fact.
@@orion8550 you’re welcome man! It’s very confusing and not really explained well, the logical assumption is you leave the gaia as Terra is a planet, there are hints you notice once you realise. Great video in general you deserve more subs dude.
On TH-cam I often hear about what a technical marvel 7 was, graphics wise. It wasn't, and this is the first time I hear someone else say this on TH-cam. The pre-rendered videos were amazing though, but the in game graphics hardly impressed anyone. It was the sequel that perfected that part.
I love the final fantasy franchise, it would be exceptionally hard for me to pick out a favourite from all the ff games I own and played. However I don't play online so I can't say the same about ff online, i prefer single player, so I can explore all the open world myself
To me FFX is is where the series peaked in storytelling, and FFXII is where it peaked in gameplay. FFXII is the last FF game that felt like FF while still eliminating random battles. It honestly gets more shit than it deserves. To this day it's still my favorite FF game.... Maybe FF Tactics. I would kill for a new FF Tactics.
@50:23 that wasn't a retcon. Jessie says in the original that the explosion was bigger than intended. They just showed you the behind the scenes of why.
Hi Justin. Thanks for watching and commenting on my vid. I remember that scene, but I think it doesn't negate everything else the game shows us. The game shows that Avalanche want to destroy the reactor and it's going to take a big explosion to do it. From the clips I showed, you can see Barret revels in the destruction and isn't surprised by it. He even promises that the next one will be even bigger. Later in the game, Reeve/Cait Sith challenges Barret on the Highwind about his stance. In that same scene, it shows Tifa trying to come to terms with what they did. In Jessie's mind, the explosion may be bigger than she intended, once she sees the extent of the damage, but it doesn't mean that all of the above isn't true. My argument was if all Barret went in there to do this time is to set a mini-bomb and expect it to safely shut down the reactor without any widespread damage then that's not the impression I got from the original. By starting the game off with showing Shinra tampering to make a larger explosion, it casts the heroes as victims already. Again, that wasn’t what I came away with from the original. I feel the original take is much more powerful, and the above referenced scene with Reeve and Barret wouldn't really work as well in the current game.
@@orion8550 true. They wanted to destroy the react, not collateral damage. I agree that the bomb in the remake was way too small for their goal (and you showed the clip where Barrett says 'the next one will be bigger than that' at the station.) I think this sets up the shibra better, though. Theu did tamper with the first. One, and dropped a full plate on (1/8th?) of the city. It also got them to show the characterization of Heidegger during the demo (which is awesome!!) whereas he wasbt shown until later in the original. Im stoked for it, but in on pc so I have to wait at least a year. Also I'm not sure my pc will like it, I can't play ff15, for example.
XI for me crowned it all - it really delivered on the premise of an online FF, having heard roumers since around the time of FF8 that they were planning on doing an online FF and all the things that could mean and lead to, had my imagination as a early teen running for years on end - and it probably cost me a gcse grade or two when it came out, but I wouldnt take back the hours I spent in XI - only go back and do them more efficiently... But for these golden year games VII/VIII/XI are hard to seperate out. All are fantastic and its a shame we just have this one generic art style for FF in the modern era which is kind of off-putting for me.
Thanks for your thoughts on XI. I do have some fond memories of that title. I remember being completely spellbound by the idea of an MMO and a Final Fantasy one at that. Before the game reached the International market, I remember watching a live stream Squaresoft had set up outside San D'oria, and I'd just watch the players come and go through the gates.
Yet another person who fails to give Hiroyuki Itou his due when mentioning the key people behind the golden age. Kitase is only solely responsible for 7 and 8. He was co director of 6 with Itou, who also directed ff9 and FF12, and 10 was directed by Toriyama - though kitase was closely supervising. Ito is one of the most important people responsible for this series best titles, and invented the most celebrated battle systems. Kitase despite directing two of the best games, is also responsible for ruining the franchise with his poor management of it since sakaguchi passed the torch. Ito is the true hope for the series
I do think FF12 has aged reasonably well. The Zodiac job system added a good amount of gameplay improvement and while the story is a bit convoluted and Vann/Penelo are just terrible I still find the Basch, Ashe, Balthier characters to be great and generally think the plot is enjoyable for *most* of the run, only really coming off the rails at the very end Its not really comparable to 6-10, but noticeably better than the other games since
In my opinion the FF7 Compilation only muddied the legacy of the original FF7 with needless overcomplication, nonsensical retcons, and substanceless angst, diluting the themes of the original game and increasingly warping the characters' personalities well beyond the point of being ooc; perhaps the worst thing it did was take away the ambiguity of the original game's ending. Remake is a strange installment to talk about because I think it nails the characters' personalities (unlike Advent Children) but it's not...a remake, so the title is deceptive, and the way the story deviates from the original feels like bizarre meta commentary. Admittedly I don't have much experience with the FF series outside of FF7 and FF9, two games I love dearly - but what's going on with Remake feels like a microcosm of what's happening to the franchise at large in terms of being a departure from what it used to be. I'm not sure how much experience you have with the Dragon Quest series, but considering it's a franchise owned by the same company, yet unlike FF it still remains loyal to its traditional JRPG roots, I'd love to hear your take on it.
Won’t lie. We’ve reached the Copper Age pretty damn quickly when FF13 and it’s Sequels came around. Hell FF14 was close to putting the nail in the coffin, same for FFversus13/FF15. Hell I can’t forget that One Mobile Game that people Just want to forget. But I can’t, and I am here to be a Forever reminder of how bad it is! Final Fantasy: ALL THE BRAVEST! Need I say more about how Sh*tty the 2010s were during this early point in history?! I mean, it’s freaking Bad. Still, I say “Spirits Within” nearly killed Square. It wasn’t a bad movie. It was just not thought out, nor did it have The FANTASY in mind by the end of it. 😢 Still, I can forgive “Spirits Within” and FF15. I just can’t forgive the other games due to fact that -Greed- was the only Motivating factor!
You can say Vaan and Penelo were foreshadowing the bleak future of FF franchise. Lol Someone in Square office, thought I love them so much, let's make FFXII sequel, with they begin the mcs and all future FFs mcs will be like them, F interesting/compelling characters, we need more eye candy and K/Jpop/Idol protags. And sadly, I foreshadowing the ☠️ of Persona, each Persona game will gain, even more popularity than previous one, until someone in Atlus will think, the same way, as the guy in Square. And the way that Persona is milked, we see hints of that.
Fans of the series may not be particularly wowed with ffxv but hear me out on this: I had a ps1 as a kid but rpgs were simply too clever for me at the time, so the ps1 games went over my head. It wasn't until I was a teenager on the ps3 that I fell in love with rpgs. So as an adult when ffxv comes out, and it's brought to my attention that I don't need to play the older games to understand it. Of course I need to play it. I played it and absolutely adored it so now I'm playing the original version of ff7 and loving it even more. So, if ffxv is a game that made me finally wake up, inspire me to try the older games and be able to turn to long time fans of the series and go: "I get it now." Then that's got to be worth something, right?
FF XV was not insanely bad, and I do not think that anybody mocks people for missing out of the golden age of FF. If anyone does that punch them for me. However, regarding FF XV you should watch Super Eyepatch Wolfs video "Final Fantasy 15 was a Mediocre Disappointment". It is not about hating the game, but he goes in depth as to what made the game the kind of game it is and why it isn't as popular as it could have been. People are free to disagree with him of course and I do not consider him correct in everything he says. It is always good to get perspective from different sides. th-cam.com/video/v8lvAq_yp_w/w-d-xo.html
Quick links -
Final Fantasy 7 to 10 - 2:10
Final Fantasy 10-2 - 13:26
Advent Children and FF7 Spin-offs - 16:01
Final Fantasy 12 - 18:26
Final Fantasy 13 - 23:17
Final Fantasy 15 - 32:07
Golden Age Immersion - 34:38
Square Staff - 40:50
Sales Figures and Fan Polls - 43:54
Sakaguchi's Departure - 47:18
Final Fantasy VII Remake - 49:12
What do you think about Square Enix redirecting Zack ? (As well as Biggs wedge and all the dwellers of sector 7)
@@havebadday7850 Hi, I talk about this in detail in my Remake Review video th-cam.com/video/0mZIJ9gHTqQ/w-d-xo.html but in short, I wasn't a fan of those changes...
"There was pain written on their pixels."
That sentence is awesome.
I thought he was talking about FFVII, which is pollygons, not pixels. And they have no faces, I thought was a joke lol
thought the same thing
This channel is a hidden gem on TH-cam. Keep making videos man, you're good at it. Persistence and consistency and you could make it big with this level of quality
Thanks man, that's kind of you to say. Work is making it difficult to make videos at a decent pace, but I want to try. It's always nice when someone stumbles across the channel. Gives me motivation. Cheers! :)
The fall of final fantasy was the departure of Sakaguchi and Uematsu.
Ffxii still had amazing gameplay and pushed the ps2 hardware to its limits only storyline was disappointing and everything afterwards was mediocre at best.
The franchise did suffer a heavy loss with the absence of Sakaguchi, but given how he had no involvement with FFVIII and X (as he was busy with IX and Spirits Within at the time, and why he's just credited as an "Executive Producer"), it shows that there was still potential with the team they still have today.
I think what really put the nail in the coffin was the chase for more and more realistic visuals at the expense of everything else. As graphics became more sophisticated and the story became more cinematic and requiring more resources, the more compromised the gameplay and density of the plot/content was.
When you look at how a lot of smaller scale linear action/adventure games today (such as those pumped out by the likes of Naughty Dog) already need a dev period of many years to be realized once the PS4 era hit, it seems like it has become almost a dream now to see AAA JRPGs on the same scale as those found in the past. The only JRPGs that still manage to recapture that glory are the ones that don't chase after realistic visuals, but go for more stylized graphics that don't demand a lot of time and manpower, such as Dragon Quest XI. Meanwhile VIIR has to go through this multiple installment plan because recreating a globetrotting journey is understandably ludicrous, and it's only going to become more taxing once they transition to the PS5 era. This is why sandbox/open-world titles seem to catch SE's fancy as of late, as they're relatively more manageable when you can reuse a lot of assets to create one large territory instead of an entire fleshed out and diverse world.
Nah it fell when Matsuno quit ff12
idk me and millions of others still seem to enjot 13, 14, 15 and all that stuff, so it sounds like you people yell the most while the majority are... playing the games instead of crying.
@@jonathansoko1085 true i played every single FF and they are all good except 9 lol
Really enjoyed this, its rare to find a good Final Fantasy retrospective view that goes back to how we thought of games in the 90s and as each release came out. Good to hear it from another Irish dude too!
Thanks very much for watching! 🇮🇪
Why doesn’t this have more views????? I appreciate your passion for this series.
Thanks for watching and commenting. I'm over the moon whenever someone lands on one of my videos :D
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It’s made with passion but I still don’t really think the arguments in this video for why ff games fell off in quality was very good. Disregarding 14, I don’t even necessarily disagree that there was a “golden age” of the franchise which has come and gone, but if I didn’t know any better, this video wouldn’t really sell me on it.
To me this video comes off as just overly sentimental, cherry picking the best things about the old games because they’re old while only pointing out the worst things about the new ones because they’re new. And some arguments were just disingenuous from the start, like his entire criticism of Hope and Sazh’s characters in 13 or the whole notion of 12’s Ivalice not being as immersive as the older game’s settings. Most of all though, the omitting of any FF14 talk in the video aside from briefly mentioning 1.0 bombing and ARR was… odd to say the least, considering that even by the time this video was made, the game was already making just as much money as most other ff games, SHB and HW were already some of the highest rated games of the series (because of their stories and characters might I add), and Emet Selch had already surpassed even Sephiroth on Japan’s popularity poll.
As a Final Fantasy boomer this hits home so good.
Basically the FF I to X, Squaresoft era. I agree with story, character, I add interesting world building/lore, beautiful OST and visuals, basically the complete package, that what makes most anime, movies and games, pieces of art. That's why I love Ghost in the shell franchise so much. They had that.
Some additions/semi corrections :
FFX-2 was planned and greenlit after Yoichi Wada took over after the removal of Sakaguchi as a direct respose to the merger with Enix being threatened by Squaresoft's recent economic issues.
Those issues, far from falling at the feet of the spirits within, began when Sakaguchi demanded that FFX be delayed into the next fiscal year which put Squaresoft in the red on its financial reports for the first time in company history.
Sakaguchi registered the Mistwalker trademark and begin planning his departure before The Spirits Within was even launched.
This ushered in the Wada era of company policy that would finally break with Sakaguchi's strict "no sequels" policy.
Many people seem to not know that the planned merger with Enix predates Squaresoft's financial woes and that the change in company policy was done to save the merger, not the reason why the merger happened.
Sakaguchi's policy of moving on from titles and not creating extended universes was seen as a financially unsound policy and his butting off heads with other department heads is what lead to the desire to get rid of him, and the failure of TSW combined with the FFX delay become the pretext for removing him in favor of Wada which was the person responsible for FFX-2, the FFVII extended universe, the FFXIII trilogy etc.
Ah these are really interesting points. Thanks for sharing. I can see how tension was building with Sakaguchi in the background. Square can't have been happy. Cheers for checking out the video!
The price you pay for choosing the integrity of the art over making money. SE were clearly concerned about making money from soulless sequels whereas sakaguchi chose integrity over that. Makes sense from a business standpoint but has cost the company their standing in the gaming world, shadow of their former selves because all they have a re sequels to milk the fanbase and can’t write anything original that doesn’t suck.
I'm shocked to see how many dislikes there are on this video after watching it. Excellent analysis on FF's fall from greatness and how it lost its ways. Subscribed 👍
Thanks a million for your kind comment, and for subscribing :D
Story and Charakter. I agree. Thats what Sakaguchi and Uematsu made best.
I think it was a some kind of magic to the development of these games. Even Shinji Hashimoto, a very important man for Square, who was involved in many projects said years after this "golden age", in an Interviewe about FF IX that there was a kind of feeling during the development of VII, VIII and IX that was uncomparable . He said everyone felt that he was involved in a process of making something important. Sakaguchi said in an interviewe about FF VII that the story of the game was a kind of emotional processing of the passing away of his mother 7 years before. He also said that most other developers made stories so people would play their games. He made games so people would listen to his stories.
I think most of developers dont make games in this way, especially not today.
You get it bro. Final fantasy isn’t final fantasy anymore. It’s a hollow shell. With sakaguchi heading into retirement the return of that age seems unlikely. Nomura can’t write and wants to play metro fashion fantasy more then create unforgettable worlds. 16 looks interesting because Nomura isn’t there
Great video! I couldn't agree more with what you said here. I grew up in the 90's and I feel lucky to have been there when these classics were coming out. I just ordered the Pixel Remasters today and I am planning on making a run through from FF1-FF10.
I just discovered your channel and will be going through your library. All the best.
Real great job, dude. We heard about you on Reddit. I'm so engrossed by your movie here I'm finding it hard to get back to reading what I was reading! Thanks! MITM
"Its fractured release meaning we won't fully realize Square-Enix's triumph or failure for years to come."
Well, you were wrong about this one. They failed so spectacularly that we didn't even need to wait.
I hope we can someday return to decent FF games. I might be blinded by nostalgia, but i honestly believe that FFX was the last true "Final" Fantasy. Every game since then has been a hollow shell, failing to capture past levels of greatness in the series. FFVI is my favourite, followed by FFVII and FFIV.
You really should try XIV….. you can ignore the online aspect, its an incredible final fantasy story.
FFXI and FFXII were done differently, but very much Final Fantasy at their core. One was an MMO, but every bit of the story and approach was traditional Final Fantasy. FFXII was a return to Ivalice, the most well-written setting in Final Fantasy, but the story approach put people off as the focus wasn't driven by archetype characters and their backgrounds as the center piece. Tinkering with the formula started with FFX more than anything, yet still was faithful, but only the decline started with FFXIII. Where XII tried to cater to those that didn't play the MMO, XIII was meant to be a departure and playing with the mechanics and storytelling took a nose-dive.
FFXIV is probably the most Final Fantasy game that has been done in recent memory, which is saying something about the single-player titles. Creative Business Unit 1 just isn't what they used to be or can't figure out what they want to do with the series anymore.
Once they took the open world out I was kinda mad
@@aryanritchie7759 Open world or world map screen?
This is your first video and it’s actually pretty cool.
It's absolutely breathtaking how amazing this video is. You will definitely see more subscribers with good content like this.
I completely agree with you on Square changing the bombing mission. I pray the remake can live up to the original game, which had memorable characters who were flawed and engaging. I'm 18 years old now and I never got to experience the golden age of Final Fantasy. But recently I was taken on a journey when I managed to get my hands on a ps1 and FF7. The games graphics meant nothing when the story was so compelling with many complex characters and depth to the plot. The bombing mission serves as a perfect grey area for our heroes. The fact that they changed that is super concerning.
Thanks for your comment!! Really appreciate it. I've started playing the Remake and have approached it with as much of an open mind as possible. Will definitely share my thoughts in a video once done.
@@orion8550 Look forward to it. I already have my pre order in. It took a bit to convince myself though. The orginal game was a complete product. This seems like it may be interesting, but full of padding to meet a good average play time per player due to it being the first few hours of the orginal game.
@@godfrey4461 Can I ask your opinion now all these months later? I often ask people because I am genuinely interested in how people have processed FF VII remake, for good or bad.
Finally got around to watching this, I wanted to do it months ago but forgot to do so until now. It was overall incredibly well scripted and edited and it made me reflect on my own experiences with these games which I really appreciate. Great job!
Thanks a million for your kind comment, Radin! This one took me a long time to put together, so it's sincerely appreciated! :)
amazing content! the end of the golden age for me was Hironobu Sakaguchi leaving: he recognized talent and put them into the right place. for example tetsuya nomura, an amazing character artist who did most of the golden age FF designs, but as a director of a final fantasy game like FF7 Remake? the same with Advent children, the story and writing is a mess...
As a lover of the early games in this series, this is documentary is spot on. SE would be wise to heed the insights here. This is what final fantasy is and should always be about. It seems obvious that every attempt to make final fantasy more like something else is when they miss the mark. This is my impression of FFXVI trailer as well which seems like its trying to ride the GOT wave in narrative and aesthetic. The beauty of FF is its originality, depth, character, and story. You cant master those by immitation. Well done on this. I look forward to more content from you
I'm a bit late to this video but thank you for putting into words how I've been feeling with the franchise. I'm 28 now and fully experienced the golden age in all its glory - I still re-play these games even now. I remember feeling so excited for FF12 after playing FF10 and just found myself completely disconnected. The same thing happened after the FF13 release and then again with FF15... Oh well! Nothing will ever come close to the golden age games ❤️
Thank you for watching! So true. At this point I'm just glad I had the chance to experience those amazing games.
XV was amazing
Great video, man! "I can confidently say with the fullness of time Final Fantasy X has one of the greatest stories in videogame history. I can say this because of how it makes me feel". Never related to anything more. Looking forward to your future videos. :)
Incredibly poignant and lovingly made documentary. Thank you for putting into words my own feelings about those Golden Age titles and my ever dwindling excitement for each new main title.
Having fallen completely in love with FF7 back in 1998 after getting the PS1 for Christmas in 1997, i was blown away by its engaging characters, story, stunning music and CGI.
I was beyond excited for FF8 and was bursting to play on Christmas Day in 1999, feeling so lucky to put the first disc into the console to play for a couple of hours. I became obsessed with it and fell in love with those characters just like I had with FF7 but it was new and different, which I loved. I restarted those games time and time again to relive key moments.
FF9 was another memorable experience. It felt a world away from the previous 2 titles, but I nonetheless fell for its charm and beautifully constructed story. I rushed to buy a PS2 so I could get FFX on release day and was blown away by its huge leap in graphics and once again fell in love with the array of characters and story.
FF12 was a let down for me and one one I struggled to get into. I do want to revisit it now that I am older. I never played FF13.
FF15 I enjoyed for a while but became bored with the constant driving and slow repetitive griding to learn the battle system. I need to go back to finish it as I lost interest in it.
Over recent years, I have started playing each title in order beginning with FF1 and working my way through them all, most recently with FF10, so I hope to have played every title in full eventually.
I too just wish to see a return to the more simplistic games over yesterday. With a shift in focus from graphics to incredible, deep storytelling, without the overly complex and convoluted plots that detract from the main story. It is so achievable with the right direction and heart. I believe it will happen one day.
Thanks for the comment! I love reading about how people got into these games, and their own personal journeys through them.
Phenomenal video my dude....Ive been meaning to make a video on how moving to fully 3d environments has killed the epic scope of final fantasy games..hopfully i can get round to it...but i enjoyed your work
People saying 'why no IV, V, Tactics etc' should bear in mind that none of those games were originally released in Europe. (Or, as far as I'm aware, anywhere outside Japan or North America) By his accent I'm assuming Orion grew up in Ireland, and for those of us in Europe, FFVII was not only our first Final Fantasy game, it was the first Final Fantasy game we were even capable of playing. 'Golden Age' is going to be by definition subjective and I took Orion as embracing that in this video. At any rate to me and a lot of people like me, the games before FFVII are usually emotional non-events because we played them (if we even did) out of their era, much later on. The nostalgia just aint there.
The only hope I have for remake part two and going forward is bringing back Sakaguchi.
One thing that is never mentioned is pacing. In the older games you went from location to location quickly. Nowadays you spend 3 hours in a linear copy paste dungeon. So boring.
The sphere grid was so well done, it is the inspiration for path if exile - the most critically acclaimed arpg of all time. It's skill system is also basically materia.
Yep. I wanted a materia system for so long and found it at a surprising place. The best thing about FF X in my opinion is that SE finally did a great leveling system, but I also hated the locks and having to find keys. I would not mind a 3 link in FF VII, but it should not go as over the top as PoE. PoE is more or less insane in this regard and with the cluster jewels it made the level grid more interesting, but I can only imagine the hell of learning everything for new people.
@@vincentgraymore If you think the locks were bad, the resources you need to gain spheres were originally harder to get. They gave them out aplenty in the north american version to the point where they almost may as well not exist.
I didn't have a problem with locks because I stole from practically everything. I sent Kimahri down Riku's path, which even allowed me to find a level 3 keysphere off a fight that only he participates in against Biran and Yenke. Having two really fast characters with the ability to throw 'al bhed potions' really helped in several fights too (but then Yuna was always underleveled for me as I almost never used her)
Man.. now I want to play FFX again...
Fantastic documentary, thank you for talking so in-depth about narrative!
I remember when I was in Infantry basic training. On long ruck marches i would hum the songs from FF 8, 7, and 9. Before it was over people was humming balamb garden and didnt even know it. 😂
Thanks for the comments! That's a great story. I love it! Nobou's music is powerful, man.
Legendary 😄👌
Modern FF writing is robotic in a way that's hard to explain. Take FF XIII for example. In a normal story, a character who's a tough hardass like Lightning wouldn't be a tough hardass 100% of the time, it would just be a slant to their personality. How they respond to events would still be colored by a massive number of factors, making them feel dynamic and real. This is why FF VII has the best writing in the series. You can basically feel each character thinking and having an internal monologue, and some characters seem to think more like Tifa and Aerith, while others are more gung ho like Barret and Yuffie, but something complex is always happening in their heads, and they respond like real people to what's happening. In XIII this just isn't the case. Even when everything goes south, Lightning is still the confident badass, Snow is still the happy-go-lucky hero. They're not allowed to emotionally respond to whatever's happening in front of them, or have independent thought. They will only "develop" when the writers decide it's okay.
RIP your Reno prediction coming true
Great work! You feel about the games the same way I feel!
Excellent video. I've yet to play 12, I'll get to that soon
Fantastic documentary. Many thanks 😺.
Lightning returns was pretty good Imo
@5:55 hey! 8 is my favourite! - the fact they were all from the same orphanage was critical to the story. It's why the sorceresses power works to tie them to the past - she has to know them, even if they've forgotten her.
Hey that's interesting. I guess I've never really looked at it from the sorceress angle, and how that helps serve that side of the story. I think they still could have handled it better. Even make half of the characters come from the orphanage, so it doesn't seem as weird. But all of them having come from there and then they all happen to be brought together, with no other hangers on, just didn't sit right with me.
#morelagunaifsquaremakesanff8remakewhichihighlydoubtwillhappenbutwecandreamijustwantedmybabeyboybackindissidiabutnoooooorinoahadtogoinbcofthebatylesystem
@@orion8550 when you are dealing with a story about time travel and people manipulating events, you can start to see why a sorceress like edea would want to have all the major players as much under her thumb as possible.
There was a 'hanger on' - Rhinoa. That was the point. She was the one that altered the events of the timeline because edea didn't raise her.
I guess the things seem weird because they weren't well explained, you had to look at a deeper layer. It's the same with the whole thing about cloud being a clone - it relied on a misunderstanding of what the game means by 'clone' and also on one specific optional cutscebe to realise that, yes, cloud is just like all the robed guys with number tattoos - he just escaped and found someone that knew him (tifa) before he cometely lost himself.
This was better explained in crisis core, and from what I've seen of the remake it's a little more clear that cloud has connections to sepberoth and the reunion that weren't as obvious in the original.
Keep creating content like this and your channel will surely grow! Great video!
This video is amazing and I haven't even played a Final Fantasy game before.
You're missing out
BS
Nothing will EVER beat the original VII
Great video!!
No time travel in FFX.
I agree with you totally, FFX has one of the best stories of any medium period. I felt for all the characters from Tidus to Yuna and even sin. Amazing game. I played FF X2 imidiately after 10 and I hated it, it was su h a huge departure from X story wise and game play that I just could not stand it
THIS IS A GREAT VIDEO FOR FF HISTORY
only 23k views deserves more
Nicely done, man. Great documentary!
Wow. Amazing video. Seriously awesome. This should be on Netflix
Thanks for your comment! I'll have to ask Square-Enix for the rights haha. Given the title, they may not agree :)
Most of us in the 30 to 40 range stopped hoping jrpgs would go back to their roots and moved on to Western rpgs. I for one have no regrets. Jrpgs still havnt gotten good again, and western rpgs keep getting better and better all the time.
I totally share your sentiments about the story and characters being number one. I gotta admit I'm not even the biggest gamer, but when I was a kid, I would get enough enjoyment out of even watching my friend just play it because I was immersed in the story like it was a movie. His step-mom would even say, "hey X, let Y play," and I'd be like nah it's alright, just because I was so locked in to thinking about the world of it all.
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Honestly. I never thought FF8’s world was like that. But hearing it now really does make it more interesting now that I can relate to using Card Games to escape the Real World.
Still, I can’t fully agree. Cause the world in FF8 feels less Fleshed out compared to FF6, FF7, FF9 & FF10. And 12…to some extent🫤
FF8’s Lore and World just feels Half-baked to me, more so than FF13’s, cause while FF13lore is a mess, it tries to explain the difference between L’cie and Fal’cie (as piss poorly as it can).
FF8 doesn’t explain anything beyond Squall. The World is literally revolving around him by the end-point of the game. You only know about the Sorceresses (as characters). But the war, the God of the world, the Mythology, the World and how it was before - and Barely any detailed hints on it, sure a few rare magazines, but nothing really substantial!
I get that the world sorta hit a “Dark Age” where no recordings or Historical Records exist. But then you have Esther! That Damn city! Like that Place has more than enough room for a Library on the Sorceress War and it’s History!
I agree with all that you have said as much as I love 7 remake I would be happy to go back to a classic turn based style better story less emphasis on looking pretty
So far, xiv is the best we have for modern ff right now
So awesome! Well done! Totally agree with you!
"Whatever happened to just retelling the story?" My thoughts exactly :(
This is absolutely awesome very well thought out.
Thanks a million for watching!
I loved this so much, thank you!
Imo I think IV and V deserve a spot on the golden age list. they get forgotten but for me- Cecils transformation from an insecure, disillusioned dark knight to a confident paladin was iconic.
Thanks for your comment! Yeah, that scene is such a powerful moment. Really stays with you. Great game. For some reason V has never drawn me in fully but maybe it's time for a revisit. Thanks :)
@@orion8550 I've really enjoyed all of your videos and insights, I really appreciated you ff7R rant aswell, it really solidified what I was feeling going through that game. Cant wait for more of your videos, I subd.✌🏽
had V for ps1 and alot of moments stuck with me, alot of character moments: the introduction of Gilgamesh as a more fleshed out villain. Faris' backstory was really interesting for it's time. ❤
@@MizzFujin Thanks so much. I really appreciate it! I'm happy if anyone even discovers my videos so it's great to hear that you've enjoyed them.
I'm definitely going to go back and give V another play - you have my word on that!
excellent video however final fantasy 4 and 5 should be included in that golden age too.
VII remake was great and XVI looks promising so here's hoping we're back to the good ol days.
Beautiful introduction
Awesome video, i was actually quite moved by it.
Thank you!!
@15:00 yes, this. I liked spirits within but this is what killed it. This and the merger. Square and enix were no longer competitors and the quality dropped.
Dude this is super well done.
Thanks for checking out the channel. Greatly appreciated!
Am not goin lie i think I rewatch this way to much
Great documentary but leaving IV out was a mistake. Definitely the beginning of the golden age.
Lmao, it is not
@@asdbef3667 ROFLMAO yes it is
I'm just looking forward to Final Fantasy 27
That's gonna be a good one, for sure.
I think you were a little too harsh on FF12. I definitely agree that it was a mistake to make Vaan a main character, or to even include him or Penelo. But the other four characters were still great. The story, gameplay, and soundtrack were all great. I liked it a lot better than 10 and 8. I think 13 was really the first major plunge in the main series. (Or maybe 11, I wouldn't know because I never played it.)
Thanks for the comment! 12 is a lot of fun to play. And yeah ... Ashe, Basch, Balthier and Fran. Great characters. I guess it all just left me frustrated at the decision SE made. Amazing soundtrack.
Classic Age Era - (FF1-FF3) - 1987 to 1990
Golden Age Era - (FF4-FF10) - 1991 to 2001
Merger Era - (FF11-FF12) - 2002 to 2008
Dark Ages Era (FF13-FF15) - 2009 to 2019
Silver Age Era (FF16, FF7R, and other future remakes of classic games) - 2020 to present
The first time i played FFXIII i knew It was over.
Also, FFX was the start of the downfall.
X? NOPE!
Very good video. You deserve more subscribers! I'm going to try and share your channel. Keep it up!
You are a saint. Thank you!!
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Have you checked The Night Sky Prince channel? In his latest videos, he talks about his concerns about how the story of FF7R will go forward in part 2, and I believe he shares pretty much your oppinion (maybe in a slightly more cautious way).
Anyway, I just want to thank the fact that there are still youtubers that can share a critical perspective with SE products (especially FF7 remake), and it's positive. It's important to give them constructive feedback so that they can take it into account in future products.
Thanks! I'll check that video out. I definitely agree that constructive feedback is important. I think some fans don't want to hear it.
Very good Video. Hard, subjective, nostalgic a sadly ..... true.
I thought crisis core was a pretty good spin off title that game really made Zack one of the best characters in FF7
Great job dude👍
@26:40 *Husband they were married, that's why snow calls lightning 'sis'
If you play type zero you start to understand - the fal'cie are basically crystals. Being chosen by a fal cue us basically being chosen by the crystals in the first 5 games. They didn't draw the parallel well enough, though.
Goddamit you did a great job mate! I couldn't agree more with what you explained! I kept wondering myself if it was nostalgia but I agree 100% is the way these games made you feel! They make me feel the same way years after I first played them...
Thanks for watching! Really appreciate your comment.
Wonderful video but all of your complaints about XIII just reminded me how much I loved it and now I gotta replay it 🥰
Them still doing playstation exclusives is what's killing the games. When will these companies learn to not do that with their best games, they are only hurting themselves.
Final Fantasy XI to me was mind blowing when it came out.
That's my golden age FF game.
Hey man, saw your other video on FF7 fans...spot on, brother. You got a sub out of me. Keep going!!
Thanks for watching and subbing! Greatly appreciated!
It's unfortunate that 6 days after you published this video, your thoughts on FF7R were proven true...
Thanks for watching! Was definitely hoping to be proved wrong and that SE could pull it out of the bag.
@@orion8550 Me too. But they pulled out of their bum bum instead lol
Great video! Keep it up, looking forward to the next 👍🏻
Final Fantasy IX is perfect!
You’re mistaken about FFIX by the way, Terra is not another planet currently it’s inside gaia there’s no travelling to the stars at all. The party get there via the shimmering isles. When you go to places from Terra that are now in gaia such as ipsens castle notice the chests there are completely different, this them hinted at the fact.
Thanks for the info.
@@orion8550 you’re welcome man! It’s very confusing and not really explained well, the logical assumption is you leave the gaia as Terra is a planet, there are hints you notice once you realise. Great video in general you deserve more subs dude.
Amazing video!
Really good vid, ffx all day
On TH-cam I often hear about what a technical marvel 7 was, graphics wise. It wasn't, and this is the first time I hear someone else say this on TH-cam.
The pre-rendered videos were amazing though, but the in game graphics hardly impressed anyone. It was the sequel that perfected that part.
I predict that16 will be the best game in the series since 10. I have no doubt in this
After what we saw the other day I have to disagree. The characters look so boring and forgettable, but let’s see.
I love the final fantasy franchise, it would be exceptionally hard for me to pick out a favourite from all the ff games I own and played. However I don't play online so I can't say the same about ff online, i prefer single player, so I can explore all the open world myself
Watched all your videos. Subscribed and bell rung.
Thank you!!!
well, it seems every single one of your concerns came true xD
To me FFX is is where the series peaked in storytelling, and FFXII is where it peaked in gameplay. FFXII is the last FF game that felt like FF while still eliminating random battles. It honestly gets more shit than it deserves. To this day it's still my favorite FF game.... Maybe FF Tactics. I would kill for a new FF Tactics.
@Aaron9 preferences are preferences. 7 was good, but 12 was better.
@50:23 that wasn't a retcon. Jessie says in the original that the explosion was bigger than intended. They just showed you the behind the scenes of why.
Hi Justin. Thanks for watching and commenting on my vid. I remember that scene, but I think it doesn't negate everything else the game shows us. The game shows that Avalanche want to destroy the reactor and it's going to take a big explosion to do it. From the clips I showed, you can see Barret revels in the destruction and isn't surprised by it. He even promises that the next one will be even bigger. Later in the game, Reeve/Cait Sith challenges Barret on the Highwind about his stance. In that same scene, it shows Tifa trying to come to terms with what they did. In Jessie's mind, the explosion may be bigger than she intended, once she sees the extent of the damage, but it doesn't mean that all of the above isn't true. My argument was if all Barret went in there to do this time is to set a mini-bomb and expect it to safely shut down the reactor without any widespread damage then that's not the impression I got from the original. By starting the game off with showing Shinra tampering to make a larger explosion, it casts the heroes as victims already. Again, that wasn’t what I came away with from the original. I feel the original take is much more powerful, and the above referenced scene with Reeve and Barret wouldn't really work as well in the current game.
@@orion8550 true. They wanted to destroy the react, not collateral damage. I agree that the bomb in the remake was way too small for their goal (and you showed the clip where Barrett says 'the next one will be bigger than that' at the station.)
I think this sets up the shibra better, though. Theu did tamper with the first. One, and dropped a full plate on (1/8th?) of the city. It also got them to show the characterization of Heidegger during the demo (which is awesome!!) whereas he wasbt shown until later in the original.
Im stoked for it, but in on pc so I have to wait at least a year. Also I'm not sure my pc will like it, I can't play ff15, for example.
Square screwed the remake up big time
XI for me crowned it all - it really delivered on the premise of an online FF, having heard roumers since around the time of FF8 that they were planning on doing an online FF and all the things that could mean and lead to, had my imagination as a early teen running for years on end - and it probably cost me a gcse grade or two when it came out, but I wouldnt take back the hours I spent in XI - only go back and do them more efficiently... But for these golden year games VII/VIII/XI are hard to seperate out. All are fantastic and its a shame we just have this one generic art style for FF in the modern era which is kind of off-putting for me.
Thanks for your thoughts on XI. I do have some fond memories of that title. I remember being completely spellbound by the idea of an MMO and a Final Fantasy one at that. Before the game reached the International market, I remember watching a live stream Squaresoft had set up outside San D'oria, and I'd just watch the players come and go through the gates.
Yet another person who fails to give Hiroyuki Itou his due when mentioning the key people behind the golden age. Kitase is only solely responsible for 7 and 8. He was co director of 6 with Itou, who also directed ff9 and FF12, and 10 was directed by Toriyama - though kitase was closely supervising. Ito is one of the most important people responsible for this series best titles, and invented the most celebrated battle systems.
Kitase despite directing two of the best games, is also responsible for ruining the franchise with his poor management of it since sakaguchi passed the torch. Ito is the true hope for the series
XII is my favourite alongside X. True I didn't feel the same joyous awe with XII, but loved the characters and the world.
Oh Vaan and Penelo were pointless haha
I do think FF12 has aged reasonably well. The Zodiac job system added a good amount of gameplay improvement and while the story is a bit convoluted and Vann/Penelo are just terrible I still find the Basch, Ashe, Balthier characters to be great and generally think the plot is enjoyable for *most* of the run, only really coming off the rails at the very end
Its not really comparable to 6-10, but noticeably better than the other games since
In my opinion the FF7 Compilation only muddied the legacy of the original FF7 with needless overcomplication, nonsensical retcons, and substanceless angst, diluting the themes of the original game and increasingly warping the characters' personalities well beyond the point of being ooc; perhaps the worst thing it did was take away the ambiguity of the original game's ending. Remake is a strange installment to talk about because I think it nails the characters' personalities (unlike Advent Children) but it's not...a remake, so the title is deceptive, and the way the story deviates from the original feels like bizarre meta commentary. Admittedly I don't have much experience with the FF series outside of FF7 and FF9, two games I love dearly - but what's going on with Remake feels like a microcosm of what's happening to the franchise at large in terms of being a departure from what it used to be.
I'm not sure how much experience you have with the Dragon Quest series, but considering it's a franchise owned by the same company, yet unlike FF it still remains loyal to its traditional JRPG roots, I'd love to hear your take on it.
Cant agree more.
Won’t lie. We’ve reached the Copper Age pretty damn quickly when FF13 and it’s Sequels came around. Hell FF14 was close to putting the nail in the coffin, same for FFversus13/FF15.
Hell I can’t forget that One Mobile Game that people Just want to forget. But I can’t, and I am here to be a Forever reminder of how bad it is!
Final Fantasy: ALL THE BRAVEST!
Need I say more about how Sh*tty the 2010s were during this early point in history?! I mean, it’s freaking Bad.
Still, I say “Spirits Within” nearly killed Square. It wasn’t a bad movie. It was just not thought out, nor did it have The FANTASY in mind by the end of it. 😢
Still, I can forgive “Spirits Within” and FF15. I just can’t forgive the other games due to fact that -Greed- was the only Motivating factor!
If I remember didn't Vaan join to avenge his brother death?
You can say Vaan and Penelo were foreshadowing the bleak future of FF franchise. Lol
Someone in Square office, thought I love them so much, let's make FFXII sequel, with they begin the mcs and all future FFs mcs will be like them, F interesting/compelling characters, we need more eye candy and K/Jpop/Idol protags. And sadly, I foreshadowing the ☠️ of Persona, each Persona game will gain, even more popularity than previous one, until someone in Atlus will think, the same way, as the guy in Square. And the way that Persona is milked, we see hints of that.
Fans of the series may not be particularly wowed with ffxv but hear me out on this:
I had a ps1 as a kid but rpgs were simply too clever for me at the time, so the ps1 games went over my head. It wasn't until I was a teenager on the ps3 that I fell in love with rpgs. So as an adult when ffxv comes out, and it's brought to my attention that I don't need to play the older games to understand it. Of course I need to play it. I played it and absolutely adored it so now I'm playing the original version of ff7 and loving it even more.
So, if ffxv is a game that made me finally wake up, inspire me to try the older games and be able to turn to long time fans of the series and go:
"I get it now."
Then that's got to be worth something, right?
FF XV was not insanely bad, and I do not think that anybody mocks people for missing out of the golden age of FF. If anyone does that punch them for me. However, regarding FF XV you should watch Super Eyepatch Wolfs video "Final Fantasy 15 was a Mediocre Disappointment". It is not about hating the game, but he goes in depth as to what made the game the kind of game it is and why it isn't as popular as it could have been. People are free to disagree with him of course and I do not consider him correct in everything he says. It is always good to get perspective from different sides.
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Could this be the actual
Final Fantasy?
It was, since 10😂😂😂