Star Wars is so goddamn goofy for this
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ย. 2024
- We'll talk about Star Wars' weird past of re-casting perfectly good characters because of minor differences. That and more on today's video.
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Diversity requirements, the council has. Tax breaks the Jedi Order must get. Fucking expensive, Coruscant rent is.
underrated lol
Yoda gotta fund his life style somehow
That's because he spends all the councils money on drugs.
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@@felipeaugusto2600 Glory to Arstotzka.
I knew what this was gonna be the moment I saw the thumbnail and title.
I still find it fascinating that we got a whole new character plus a video game explaining Adi's absence in AOT, just because of a recast, despite Adi essentially being a nameless background character in the movies. Guess even George goes in as deep as some fans to.
that game made adi my favorite jedi side character.
Bad acting and plot is bad
@@mattmmilli8287 No one cares
2:44 Yaddle wouldn’t have accidentally called him the wrong name, because she would have been dead before he relinquished his seat on the council. 🤓
I, for one, am glad Yaddle was dead by then. Take that as you will.
6:33 “Who gets just annihilated in episode 2 by Jango Fett, which was nice because it opened up a space on the council for Obi-Wan” 💀
Actually kit fisto takes his place, then Depa billaba is badly wounded by general grievous at the beginning of the clone wars, and that’s how Obi wan got on. He replaced her.
@@Vanilla-FrogsIn the original Clone Wars timeline before TCW, Depa Billaba falls to the dark side and gets imprisoned. I think her ultimate fate was never revealed, but it would make sense if she became an inquisitor
@@wilhufftarkin8543 no, that’s in legends. She dies during order 66 in cannon.
@@Vanilla-Frogs That's what I said
@@wilhufftarkin8543 no, you said we didn’t know how she died. We do
So is it also NOT Mace Windu who meets up with Palpatine and Anakin on Naboo as they're arriving for Qui Gon's funeral?
Yep, just what I was about to point out. There's also in that scene, if I remember right, a replacement actor for one of the Naboo dignitaries.
I don't think that one was ever explained.
That was Face Dooro, Windu's father's uncle's neighbour's roommate.
@Matamanplay so what does that make them?
That was Mac Intosh, Windu's nemesis from Haarun Kaal.
This is getting out of hand. Now there are two of them!
Underrated.
Always two there are.
Perfect. Well played
I think a lot of us millennials are very familiar with the Episode 1 council because they were in all the 90s video games we played over and over again and all over all the mountains of merchandise. What a wild time to be a kid!
Jedi Power Battles 👍🏻
I miss that shit so much. Early prequels content was a wild time and so many people forget or just don't know about it. Back when Mace Windu had a blue lightsaber! Back when Plo Koon could cast force lightening (but it was yellow and called "Force Judgement). Back when red lightsabers weren't automatically associated with sith. I don't even think the concept of sith was even really developed yet. So many fan theories of what the Clone Wars would end up being too!!!
Same with the Pod Racers
...Damn. All the research I did told me to skip those.
With the original Star Wars, George Lucas clearly wanted to establish some kind of vibe with character accents, despite nearly all the actors being british, so there's a lot of dubbing over people and british actors putting on fake american accents. They also supposedly dubbed over a woman because it was deemed too dark for female pilots to be dying in the Battle of Endor (presumably also why an old lady pilot was cut)
Following from that, it makes more sense why Phantom Menace did so much with more exotic accents for all the aliens, which was poorly received. I think the Clone Wars cartoon had more success with throwing around accents with French Twileks and Dee Bradley Baker doing lots and lots of his New Zealander impression
I always love the dog clip in the outro, so goofy in a loveable way.
That Kit Fisto bit lmao Im dead "the man looks like a freak" lmao
He said "he's IN one!" Whats that mean lol
Wait so what if Palpatine and Sidious are actually different people after all and just the same species? Could we have just been confused this whole time?😱
Their real names are Frank and Sheev Palpatine. They were definitely twins. One of them was a legitimate senator, and the other was doing some shady stuff behind the scenes.
Finally, somewhere between Ep 1 and 3 one of them was killed (it *must* be Frank, because the name "Sheev" doesn't seat right with me) and the other took all the power. ⚡
@@Darth_Niki4 Turns out the genuinely caring, well-meaning senator Sheev was the one who died. Frank has been living a double-life ever since his fratricide
@@Darth_Niki4 And their nephew, Dave Palpatine who had a pituitary gland tumour which resulted in a massive overproduction of HGH who started calling himself "Snoke" after his uncle's untimely demise.
In that vain arnt anakin and darth vader different characters? They both had different actors after all
@@Darth_Niki4 Hey now don't forget Steve Palpatine, intergalactic plumber-extraordinaire.
The funniest one to me was Sheev saying, "Bail Antilles" and then George changing his married name to Organa after the fact with zero explanation when there was a Captain Antilles and a Wedge Antilles. Needlessly confusing indeed.
EDIT: LOL I typed this before you mentioned it. Hilarious.
That was Panaka, not the Sheevie.
This was because in episode 1 Lucas had cast Adrian Dunbar as Bail Organa but then changed his mind and cut him and decided to recast him with Jimmy Smits in 2 and 3. So he just switched the name to Bail Antilles. I think Lucas just likes the name Antilles because the name has been around since the beginning in different iterations of the story process.
Edit: I typed this before the previous comment.
Isn’t there a deleted scene with Bail Antilles. The actor is definitely not the same as Bail Organa so aren’t they two different characters too?
@@bossman4799they’re absolutely different characters in legends. Bail Antilles in legends was a major rival to Finis Valorum and actually was the senator who lead the campaign to have Valorum ousted for “the Eriadu affair”, in which Darth Sidious and Darth Maul orchestrate a ridiculously convoluted plan involving a terrorist group called the Nubula Front hiring a team of mercenaries to raid a bunch of trade federation ships and steal precious metal ingots, then attempt to assassinate Valorum at a conference with the trade federation directorate on Eriadu to agree to terms on taxing the free trade zones in exchange for the federation being allowed to heavily arm its ships to protect them from pirates, only for the trade federation’s droids to malfunction and assassinate the TF directorate members once the Jedi activate the shield protecting Valorum from the Nebula Front snipers attempting to kill him. This allows Nute Gunray to be promoted to the now vacant trade federation directorate and allows him to stack it with Neimoidian sycophants. Then Orn Fre Taa discovers that the ingots stolen from the trade federation were mysteriously converted into credits and invested into companies owned by Valorum’s family members by investors who appear not to have existed, which makes it look like Valorum was illegally enriching himself by instigating thefts on trade federation ships so that they’d _have_ to campaign for militarization, and in exchange would be taxed heavily by the Republic. This scandal effectively strips Valorum of all his political power and leaves him a lame duck chancellor. Orn Fre Taa gives the data implicating Valorum to Palpatine, who in tells him to give it to Bail Antilles, knowing Antilles will snitch on Valorum to the senate investigatory committee and will pursue legal action against Valorum. Antilles’ efforts to have Valorum charged actually end up making him very unpopular in the Senate, and tanks his shot at being elected the next Chancellor, allowing Palpatine to become the new favourite.
Pretty sure Antilles is the Smith of the GFFA
Honourable mention to the vaguely Chiss-looking and Gran councilmen seen in one Grievous comic and never again, whose timelines do not really line up with any known gaps, so their presence on the council is questionable.
They were a very tired pantoran with red eye. The pantoran version of pink eye
Those were just the janitor and a pizza delivery guy, caught in the moment
This reminds me how Rune Haako, the advisor of Nute Gunray from TPM is suppose to be the Nemoidian with Gunray in Episode 2, but they sound completely different there and looks slightly different overall.
That's because the production team lost Haako's mask and had to use Lott Dod's (the TF Senator). In Episode III, Haako has another mask much closer to the one he wore aboard the Saak'ak in Episode I.
I actually kinda like that Lucas and other contributors to the lore got caught up in the little unnoticed details in the background. I like that almost every background character as a some back story.
It happens more often than you think, writers usually care more about the stories and less about tiny details. The creator of Dragonball Akira Toriyama was notorious for forgetting characters he created lol
@@Outstralian Launch and frigging Goten of all people 🤣 🤣
I just remembered this: Denis Lawson was Space Jesus’s uncle! If Higgs didn’t have trouble with his, lines, there wouldn’t have been an uncle to inspire Ewan McGregor, and thus not perfect conviction in “Hello there!”
There's the whole Sifo Dyas was "Sido Dyas" in the original script - Implying that Palpatine may have been a Jedi at one point.
There was also some marketing material for Episode I that showed a brown-haired, clean-shaven white guy who was listed as "Bail Organa" but once the film came out, it was changed to "Bail Antilles" because apparently that surname is super common in the Star Wars galaxy.
Clone Wars revealed there was in fact a Jedi named Sifo Dyas and Dooku killed him to pose as him for the Kaminoeans
@@night6724 Right, but in the earlier script - the one that had books go out right before the film came out, it was "Sido Dyas" which was clearly meant to be "Sidious"
Was not happy about how they killed off Adi in the Clone Wars. The comics and Jedi Starfighter made her out to be way to much of a badass to die like that.
The power of one.
The power of two.
The power of maannnnyyyyyy.
“If you die in the Antilles state, Wedge Antilles will cease to exist” {row of wedge Antilles doppelgängers disappearing}
3:46 at least for a character like Plo Koon you couldn’t tell they replaced the actor that was in the first 2 with a new guy for the third film, sadly for the new guy they didn’t recast the faceplate so he had to wear the face plate that was made to fit Alan Ruscoe.
At one point in the EU, the Duros and Neimoidians were supposed to be the same species.
Good story behind this (IIRC from Cinefex no. 78, the Phantom Menace issue).
When the intended CGI version of the Nemoidians (essentially what would become the Geonosians) couldn't be delivered on time/budget, George decided to go with a different entirely-practical-mask look.
With very little design time left before shooting started, he flicked through an archive book of Cantina aliens, spotted the two Duros masks and said "they'll do".
And thus the Nemoidians we know were born.
Oh no
@@stephenjohnston7630
As far as in-universe sources go, I believe they also have the same racial ancestry. I like that. It's realistic.
I had an Eeth Koth action figure.... and all of a sudden there was this Agen Kolar guy.... i wondered what happened to Eeth Koth
Eath Koth was the best case argument for this was all just the same guy - too visually similar at a glance and no one would be the wiser. The Adi Galia switch was the goofiest - switching actress for a scene because actor unavailable, but same character, kill her off later THEN replace with a near identical cousin...the cousin part is the goofy thing. Why replace with a similar character that's just gonna confuse people and seem like the same one? I agree the Clone Wars series was a good opportunity to kill off some in the war and replace them, but replace them with meaningful NEW characters that look different...not just lookalikes.
The Eeth Koth one is reasonable because one looks black and the other looks South Asian. You could get away with it. However the Adi Galia one was just Lucas taking the piss surely.
Kit Fisto's change in appearance between Episode II and Episode III could just be what war trauma and lack of sleep looks like on his species.
6:40 and both of the colemans got their names are tuckerizations of people who worked on the films. Robert coleman and his son, Jack.
"I'm not Adi; I'm my original character, *BLADI* !"
I kinda wish we could get stories of eeth koth and agen kolar and/or stass allie and adi gallia teaming up to go on a mission for the council.
Eeth Koth was originally aboard the gunship that explodes next to Anakin and Obi-Wan’s in Episode 2. He was cooked in the crash on Geonosis. Dave Filoni went to George and asked to resurrect him.
WAIT… what game is that at the end of the video with R2D2 and Perry the Platypus fighting???
7:33 Ah yes, 'Jedi Dartboard' approach which led to many of the retcons I hate...
(Also I think that Eeth Koth's original fate was being in the random LAAT that gets shot down in AotC, that's a retcon I'm fine with since other Jedi like Sora Bulq survived the same crash).
Wow. I knew about all these characters but never thought about them at the same time, so they were just interchangeable in my head lmao
Gets worse when you consider Pablo-Jil/Coleman Kcaj and Depa Billaba/Sar Labooda.
I for one am offended that Lucasfilm didn't trust us fans to recognize that Yoda sometimes dresses in drag for youngling story time and felt the need to invent the character of Yaddle out of nowjere.
If Jedi are supposed to forgo all personal attachments, why are Adi and Stass both allowed to be on the Council?
I believe in legends eeth koth died in aotc when his gunship got shot down right in front of mace windu. Also, in some of the behind the scenes of tcw dave mentioned to george that eeth was already dead at that point but decided to put him in anyway. I kind of wished that they had instead put agen kolar in instead of eeth koth, so those of us who still like to put canon and legends together wouldn't be a big problem.
Four pairs actually - Depa Billaba was recast as well for the Battle of Geonosis, but similarly her recast actor was reassigned a new character, Depa's cousin, Sar Labooda.
Regarding Wedge though, Fake Wedge is a separate canon character, even though they share a voice in the A New Hope. He's even got his own story in FACPOV!
The two Colemans is because there were two separate Colemans involved with production - Robert Coleman (Trebor) and Jack Coleman (Kcaj)
Couldn’t they already call one of them Col’em-an?
@@night6724 No because that would make too much sense for a Tuckerisation! Instead we just got their last names as first names and their first names inverted as last names!
Its to sell more toys 👍
And to shut up annoying nerds complaints. Two birds one stone. 😁
A sorcerer did it.
Production members as background extras or cameos would be a cool one to do
Does Yarael Poof get the pizza? If not then thats not the real Yarael Poof.
Adi Gallia not being in the arena makes sense from an old lore perspective as she was piloting a jedi starfighter during the battle of geonosis in the game Jedi Starfighter.
The funny thing is, the actress who played Stass Allie in Ep3 Order 66 scene looks way closer to Adi Gallia's Actress from Ep1 than the other Stass Allie's actress in Ep2
Who looks at an infant boy and decides “Oh, I know! I’ll name him Wedge”
Ok, I gotta know. What's the game at the end where R2 is duking it out with Perry the Platapus on an 32-bit version of the Termina arena?
This explains a lot, but in retrospect, I'm shocked we were never told that Kit Fisto wasn't in Episode 3, and we were instead seeing his cousin, Kat Fasto. One more action figure for the collectors!
Remember how Palpatine reacted of Eeth Koth becoming a priest! That was just funny how that cracked him up.
This was something that always confused the hell out of me as a kid, especially when the clone wars episode came out where grievous captures eeth koth, and adi gallia, anakin, and obi wan go to rescue him, especially after watching the movies and seeing toys at the store for years first
I've always wanted someone to talk about this. You get the same thing with the characters of Pablo-Jil and Coleman Kcaj, and Depa Billaba and Sar Labooda. I think both Adi and Eeth would be tremendously more beloved characters if we had them through each of the prequel films, and having more of a connection if they die where they're doppelgängers die. We also won't have the situation of literally knowing nothing about Stass, Agen, and Coleman. There is still confusion with the official database for Obi-Wan Kenobi on whether or not we see Pablo-Jil or Coleman Kcaj in the tomb. Ironic with all the special edition and tweaks that have been made to the films, we still have these four cases running around.
My Favorite Star Wars ADR has to be "TWO FIIIGHTERS VS A STAR DESTROYAHH" int he most southern drawl imaginable
I guarantee the phrase "What do you mean 'We all look alike!?!'" was used in the counsel chamber more than once.
My head cannon is that because the Force seems to be inherited and run in families that families with with recurring Force Sensitivity become local powerful families. And so, like Samurai in a Kurosawa film, you get Jedi with lineage going back centuries ... and a lot of them end up on the council.. I wanted that to be the story of what Dooku got to be a Count, but they went another direction.
Just so you know. I’m all for using Star Wars Hunters gameplay as background gameplay all the time now. It’s amazing
I thought in Legends Eeth Koth died at the Battle of Geonosis
Eeth Koth survived Geonosis and was captured by Greivous at one point. The Clone Wars TV Show is part of Legends up until season 7. At which point it crosses into Disney canon.
@@-CrimsoN- OK cheers, I just know that a lot of people talk about how 2008 TCW retconned a lot of legend material, such as Even Piell and Adi Gallia's deaths, but it's still mt favourite TV show ever.
He did die, you see his gunship get obliterated, dave is just awful and broke canon every episode
Didn’t he survive the gunship explosion and turn to the dark side? I thought he killed Oppo in the comics.
@@Fordo007 Wasn't that Sora Bulq?
While in the EU the clone rifle was the DC-15A and the carbine was the DC-15S. Makes sense (S for 'short'?). In canon they decided that both are the the term DC-15A applies to both the rifle and carbine with those words needing to be added to distinguish them, which is so dumb and needlessly confusing.
3:10 I agree with the editor
Old Star Wars: Slightly different appearance = new character
Disney Star Wars: Completely different appearance and personality = same character
what is the example of Disney Star Wars?
I think this is harmless goofiness. Kinda like classic Star Trek kitsch.
"...its like poetry, it rhymes..."
The intro is iconic for eck too
I'm pretty sure the Eeth Koth died on Geonosis in legends, only for The Clone Wars to retcon that. Which I guess was to explain his actual absence for AOTC.
wait the way i so confidently said eeth koth was at the sidious fight. ive literally always thought it was him😭😭
I loved your podcast discussion on this. Weirdly under-discussed curiosity 😂
Always a much more intriguing topic IMO-impact of BTS elements on story execution, like presence of seemingly primitive tech in OT vs later films. Truth is that SW civilization will have seen things like singularities/AI disasters and has probably learned some costly lessons, making it preferable to have dumbed-down tech in many instances, explaining why the tech doesn’t evolve much over thousands of years. Also the kit-bashed, gray aesthetic of OT Imperial ships reflects their cold, mass-produced military machine, etc.
this always bugged me as a kid
I always thought all those duplicates were meant to be the same person, didn't even notice the thousands of times I watched these movies.
I wonder if it was a contract thing too. Like they were contracted to play that character for 3 movies and would have to be paid regardless if their character appeared on screen even being played by another actor. Happens allll the time
I never noticed there were three wedges, hell when I was a kid I didnt even care about the background characters. I didnt even know people gave a crap about them to the point of being featured prominently in Legends. That was one of the reasons I started subscribing to Star Wars youtubers such as yourself Eckhart, the curiosity to learn what kind of insignificant detail could spiral into something interesting or simply idiotic haha.
I literally thought the same thing about them replacing Koth and Adi with similar looking jedi.
I generally think the council was kind of bad and most cases
Wait, so there were two of them this whole time!!🤯
This reminds me of George Lucas saying "I don't like it when characters die". He said every character is interesting and it always kills a lot of options and speculative freedom for later projects. That's why most of his "kill-offs" are something like falling down or getting out of sight. Things like decapitating Jango were originally not the plan.
I remember buying a pack of the old Decipher SW CCG and pulling Wedge, looking at the picture and being like WTF is this... that's not Wedge :/
I didnt know the ongree existed in the actual movies! I onjy saw them in swtor, that had to be a really whicked protetic for only a hologram
On the one hand, I agree that them splitting characters is extremely goofy. On the other hand, after some (not all) of the backlash aimed at The Acolyte (Young Osha/Mae not being identical twins when adult versions are, fire from a small lamp engulfing an entire base, Dark side mask guy 'retconing' Ki-Adi Mundi claiming the Sith haven't been seen in a Millennia, ect) kind of lends credence that Star Wars fans can in fact NOT suspend disbelief XD
I’d love to hear about Coleman Kaj and Pablo jil cause they are the most odd example of this
I know it’s probably just animation error but Cody just straight up disappeared in the clone wars movie in the beginning and then at the end he’s directing gunships without his visor and also somehow in the gunships going to Teth when Obi wan arrives
Eckhardt, you forgot. No one's ever really gone.
It is for this reason that I believe that Kit Fisto was not in Palpatine's office. We are supposed to believe that these lookalikes are different characters, but these two completely different looking Nautolans are both Kit Fisto? I think not!
Factions compared idea sci fi insect swarm. Such as Tyranids, arachnids, Zerg, rachni, terminids.
There...there is already alot of videos on that line up posted.
I had a crazy video idea, idk if you've done it already, but if you were given total control of star wars, what would you canonize and decanonize (or if you didn't decanonize anything, how would you handle it?)
And yet when Episode IX started I was able to immediately tell we were on Mustafar when other people complained lol
I think it's perfectly fine that they use different characters instead of recasting them, especially in case of background characters. That's at least some effort put in to explain the different look. And it opens the door to tell interesting stories. However, I think in the case of Koth and Kolar it is quite hilarious that they seem to get confused about them themselves from time to time. I mean, in the Clone Wars Animated Show it seems that they use Koth in several scenes with other masters, even when it should be Kolar. But based on skin color it should be Koth, even when he should already be absent at the time? I also got confused in Episode 2 when it came to the Kamino plot line. As I remembered Yarael Poof from Episode 1 (not knowing his name at that time, though), I thought that he might be that mysterious Sifo-Dyas the Kaminoans were talking about, as he looked like one of them and he wasn't around any more, so it would have made sense that he got killed. If he was still present at the time, I think I might have never gotten confused because this logic wouldn't have worked any longer. As far as I know they removed him exactly for the reason to avoid confusion with the Kaminoans and achieved the exact opposite.
Wasn't it former canon (before it got a retcon) that Eeth Koth was present at Geonosis and died when his ship got shot down?
I've watched that movie dozens of times, one of my favorites. Consider myself a pretty big Star Wars nerd with 100% movie knowledge, no books.
I had no idea those were intended to be the same character, I think that's something exclusive to book readers.
In the comics Adi Gallia was killed by Grievous...😮
I have thought about these details many times as a child
Hey question who’s the editor of this video? I saw the editors note implying it’s somebody else but don’t see anybody credited in the description as the editor.
:)
@@MarMarBunbun oh heck yeah! Are you the editor for all videos on this channel? You do a great job!
@@ODISeth Not all of them but i've done pretty much most of the recent ones. Thank you! I try, glad you enjoy the videos
I always assumed they were different people because they didn’t look anything alike. Members of the same species clearly, but the same person.
He did not pull his punches with kit fisto
That’s really interesting, I just did a video on what the council could look like in Acolyte and what action figures you can get to compete it (check it out) during the research I noticed just this and almost selected the wrong characters and was very confused for a moment. Love your video’s thanks .
i would like to see more videos like this perhaps one that focuses on contradictions in star wars books
Vader was 100% adr, of course. Dave Prouse said the lines, and later on (apparently without telling Dave), Keith David did the voiceover.
Your video came out while I was at work listening to one of your two hour videos lol
I need to know, what game can Parry the Platypus fight R2-D2 on a link map?
Rivals of Aether
7:11 "He's kinda a freak not gonna lie".
Wow, I had noticed the difference in a couple, but didn't know it was so many.
I can think of one rather cynical explanation why they do this: They just wanted to re-use as much of the costume and facial prosthetics as possible which is all the more easier if you swap out an alien character with a near identical doppelganger.
Just say goodbye to the "old Star Wars". Once an idea enters the "franchise" phase the corporate owner is afraid to take any chances. Get used to it. From a monetary standpoint, Uncle George made a great transaction. However, from the standpoint of a storyteller to the listeners? Yeah... HORRIBLE situation. 😕
My theory of the similarities is the council didn't want the public to know they died, to maintaining their political reputation.
3:29 Stass Allie was meant to be the same person as Adi Gallia but the actor for Stass was just as good and a tad darker in skin as she was originally from Tanzinia. George liked both of them so created a new character. The reason you stated was only half the truth.
Chances are either;
1: actors weren’t able to make it to set on day of filming and backup was used.
2: new hiring occurred
This is such a good star wars lore vid. I love the weird little factoids and reasoining behind the multiple characters. Adi kinda bad, the thumbnail got me ngl
Did anyone else notice that they put Stass Allie on the cover instead of Adi Gallia? It's really clearly her hahah
Definitely confused me a fuck ton as a kid but now I like that I know the differences between two different Jedi and the more Jedi the better imo