Those 28 scorps represent over 60 arbalests in resources. That's more arbs than there were eagles. The eagles would have been just as wrecked, especially with the hussar shielding like they were.
I really love when a game gets on another meta lvl of strategy. Like this one was so much about how to position scorpions and how to fight against this ball. It wasnt like a standard game it had its own rules!
@@aa01blue38 It really doesn't. Halb plus siege ram will lose to halb plus scorpions. any halbs that exit a ram get deleted, meanwhile rams get destroyed by enemy halb
@@aa01blue38 Especially if you think about the fact that some Scorpion civs, like Celts or Romans, have pretty good infantry. And then try to go Halberdiers + Rams against Champions, Legionaries or Woad Raiders XD
@@aa01blue38 Idk if that's really what he meant, but to me it's more about the flank attacks. Attacking where the scorpions are not. Rams are good at destroying buildings fast, and halbs defend against hussars which is probably what's gonna be used by Khmers to kill rams. Rams on both flanks means you need fast units or spread units to defend. Sure, spreading your scorpions might help, but if you spread too much you won't have enough units to apply pressure. It's just a hard situation to be in, probably works against any slow/needs to be massed to be effective units.
From playing over a hundred team games with massed roman scorpions (with kmher teambonus). The real counter to the scorpion + husar comb is bbc, bohemian bbc are the scariest. Also with halbs to protect the bbc from beeing sniped with the husars.
absolutely true, but when you don't have bbc, the best strat seems to be not to engage, and focus on raids. It reminds me of a game between Viper (who had massed a +30 Celt siege onager deathball) and Tatoh. Tatoh refused to engage. His base was erased, but he relocated several times, and foucsed on avoiding conflict to raid Viper's eco till he was out of gas. Had Sebastian been able to delay the center push a bit longer, or relocated his relics, he would've won.
Both onager (especially siege onager) and BBC counter scorpion balls. The SO will do more damage and splash damage, but the BBC has the range advantage.
so much action everywhere I can't believe you both stood there fighting at every corner of the map while still mantaining the economy and issuing actions to buildings and villagers. Wow
When playing Khmer, would it make sense to have a mill in the back of your base just for placing new farms via auto farm? No need to play Tetris when you can use that feature
So, the same counter vs any other slow deathball: Attack where it isn't. I think against anyone less stubborn about conceding that would have won Sebastian the game. Those siege ram pushes up the flanks were wild, and even ran over the scorpions when they were unsupported. They stopped towards the end, though- out of gold? Or distracted by the last-ditch counterattack in the centre? Fantastic game.
Hey Hera, I've been watching, and you bought wood on the market in many of the last games. Is this a conscious decision that an eco balance with too little wood is easier to fix than too much, or does this happen by accident?
I wouldve liked to see Seba try to rush the scorps down with 4-5 rams once he had you all split up defending. With how they clump up, it could be devastating
Hera during the match: omg these damn scorpions move so slow and so wierd!!! Just move already!!!! Microsoft: ok, next update improve scorpions speed and pathing.
large groups of scorps always did well against hussar with good micro. the difference now is you dont need good micro. but before all you needed were like 10 halbs with your 30 scorps to kill 60 hussar easily
Stop it, scorps with ballistics is satisfying. If it's broken, reduce their damage or Rof... but seeing Scorps failling most shots was the most frustrating thing about the unit...
Separating the art from the artist isn't something I personally think is very reasonable. It makes the expectation be that, if you are good enough at something and people to value it enough, it doesn't matter what else you do.
Seems fair to call Khmer scorpions busted right now, but what about normal scorpions and those affected by the bonusses of other civilisations? Are they now too strong or better balanced?
Ran out of gold, also as Hera pointed out the flank castles didn´t cover the middle part of the map well enough to save time for a defensive army to be produced.
The "counter" to scorpions is attacking away from them since they're too slow to react, you can tell Hera's not that familiar with using them otherwise he would know to have castles backward and wall his base off in Imp to avoid raids, it's not a resource issue since the scorpions will trade well.
Hera's major mistake was not bringing in scorpions towards the rams. Scorpions are OK against rams, but most importantly they would deal with all the infantry that was protecting the rams, so hussars and vills could take care of them with ease.
Scorp + balistics IS NOT BROKEN. People just haven't fully figured out the counters, but they will. God I hate it when you try to make this game vanilla.
He didn't even countered them, he just avoiding fighting them 😂
The real counter of scorpions = MPH
Scorps are slow. Use mobility advantage and fight where they are not.
Try that on any closed map
@@jameskelly945DON'T ENGAGE
That would be a counter to the strategy
1:55 "Louis has 2-3 dogs in him, but getting no skills. Double digit IQ"
~ Hera 🤣
This is for sure one of the most incredible AoE2 games I think I've ever watched.
Yesterday- Khmer scorps unbeatable today- oh shit they still might be ass
Lmaooo today its back to reality 😂
@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 favorite LoL champ?
the scorps still won the game for Hera. Replace those with arbs or even an archer UU and that battle vs the ball of eagles is gg next.
@@rileygray8182 lee sin
Those 28 scorps represent over 60 arbalests in resources. That's more arbs than there were eagles. The eagles would have been just as wrecked, especially with the hussar shielding like they were.
33:45 Hera put an NAC ad to HIDE that he was falling down in the score.
"Two or three dogs in him" Sounds like he should see a doctor.
Sounds like a perfectly healthy bitch
I really love when a game gets on another meta lvl of strategy. Like this one was so much about how to position scorpions and how to fight against this ball. It wasnt like a standard game it had its own rules!
He Found The Counter!
oh wait he lost anyways
well, just like people in chess get magnused, people in AoE get hera'ed
Siege ram halb also doesn't feel like a hard counter
@@aa01blue38 It really doesn't. Halb plus siege ram will lose to halb plus scorpions.
any halbs that exit a ram get deleted, meanwhile rams get destroyed by enemy halb
@@aa01blue38 Especially if you think about the fact that some Scorpion civs, like Celts or Romans, have pretty good infantry. And then try to go Halberdiers + Rams against Champions, Legionaries or Woad Raiders XD
@@aa01blue38 Idk if that's really what he meant, but to me it's more about the flank attacks. Attacking where the scorpions are not. Rams are good at destroying buildings fast, and halbs defend against hussars which is probably what's gonna be used by Khmers to kill rams. Rams on both flanks means you need fast units or spread units to defend. Sure, spreading your scorpions might help, but if you spread too much you won't have enough units to apply pressure. It's just a hard situation to be in, probably works against any slow/needs to be massed to be effective units.
Why do you spoil the outcome man !!!
From playing over a hundred team games with massed roman scorpions (with kmher teambonus). The real counter to the scorpion + husar comb is bbc, bohemian bbc are the scariest. Also with halbs to protect the bbc from beeing sniped with the husars.
absolutely true, but when you don't have bbc, the best strat seems to be not to engage, and focus on raids. It reminds me of a game between Viper (who had massed a +30 Celt siege onager deathball) and Tatoh. Tatoh refused to engage. His base was erased, but he relocated several times, and foucsed on avoiding conflict to raid Viper's eco till he was out of gas. Had Sebastian been able to delay the center push a bit longer, or relocated his relics, he would've won.
i thought it was onager, korean or celt specially
What is bbc?
Bombard cannon
Both onager (especially siege onager) and BBC counter scorpion balls. The SO will do more damage and splash damage, but the BBC has the range advantage.
They need to give Koreans their +1 mangonel range back to stop this.
"i don't need the house"
"oh shit we got housed"
That was one of the best AOE 2 games I have ever seen. So back and forth for most of the game.
Hera is a Genius! He is speaking from inside a lamp 😂😂😂 or a Cup
so much action everywhere I can't believe you both stood there fighting at every corner of the map while still mantaining the economy and issuing actions to buildings and villagers. Wow
Siege Ram is actually insane against scorps, well played from Sebastian
I love that scorpions are now a unit that commends respect, just like onager and ram, appropriate for a siege unit
Insane video ! Possibly one the very best games of the year ! I was on the edge of my seat up to the last second ! Great play by both
sending hussars to deal with halb raids. hmmm...
Fox did it, Sebastian did it!
He was raiding your scorpions with his mobile rams, very smart!
When playing Khmer, would it make sense to have a mill in the back of your base just for placing new farms via auto farm? No need to play Tetris when you can use that feature
The best defense against any siege is wide open flat terrains where they cannot corner your army.
OMG Hera that comeback was insane!
So, the same counter vs any other slow deathball: Attack where it isn't.
I think against anyone less stubborn about conceding that would have won Sebastian the game. Those siege ram pushes up the flanks were wild, and even ran over the scorpions when they were unsupported. They stopped towards the end, though- out of gold? Or distracted by the last-ditch counterattack in the centre? Fantastic game.
Incredible game! I was sure you were gone with all of those raids on your eco. Wow, what a come back
Lewis catching strays and getting lil bro-ed when he’s not even the opponent 1111111
The Jon Jones description was perfect 😂😂😂
Hey Hera, love your content! When will you be uploading in 4K? I have a 4K monitor and 1080P looks way worse compared to 4K AOE2 material!
Hey Hera, I've been watching, and you bought wood on the market in many of the last games. Is this a conscious decision that an eco balance with too little wood is easier to fix than too much, or does this happen by accident?
I wouldve liked to see Seba try to rush the scorps down with 4-5 rams once he had you all split up defending. With how they clump up, it could be devastating
Hera during the match: omg these damn scorpions move so slow and so wierd!!! Just move already!!!!
Microsoft: ok, next update improve scorpions speed and pathing.
absolutely amazing
i think the best counter for skorps is Trebs. warwolf trebs ;)
I’m glad you kept playing Hera 🫡 💪
large groups of scorps always did well against hussar with good micro. the difference now is you dont need good micro. but before all you needed were like 10 halbs with your 30 scorps to kill 60 hussar easily
Yay, box formation!
crazy intense game, well played
2:20 fkn nice speech
Great game! Wish you had another treb earlier, that solitaire must have cost him 1.5k stone
Holy crap!!! That was insane!!!!!!!!!!!!
I honestly thought it was over. Incredible comeback.
But Hera’s ability hold the pressure from the side attacks is insane
Stop it, scorps with ballistics is satisfying. If it's broken, reduce their damage or Rof... but seeing Scorps failling most shots was the most frustrating thing about the unit...
Great game, well played by both
👏👏👏👏
that was nuts, what a game
Buen juego Sebastián!
Hi I’m new to the steam version. How come I keep getting an error when I try to join a server?! It says error 0.000000001
Separating the art from the artist isn't something I personally think is very reasonable. It makes the expectation be that, if you are good enough at something and people to value it enough, it doesn't matter what else you do.
wouldnt putting 10 scorps with some hussar inside the echo work?
Hera looks like max Holloway 😅
What!?? i cant believe he conceded this game, it was completly lost
Khmer nerf next patch: Squires applies to Scorpions11
I'm an mma fighter and I DID NOT expect the Hera/GSP link there. Made me double check.
first! thanks for the vids Hera, always appreciated
Seems fair to call Khmer scorpions busted right now, but what about normal scorpions and those affected by the bonusses of other civilisations? Are they now too strong or better balanced?
Damn brooo!
Hera is just trolling the whole thing. Don't take it seriously
Idk how Sebastion lost, he looked so strong
He Lost cuz Hera takes raids like a champ and doesn't let it end the game for him
Ran out of gold, also as Hera pointed out the flank castles didn´t cover the middle part of the map well enough to save time for a defensive army to be produced.
sorry if I missed it but why is the game so blurry?
Make scorpions ballistic able to keep up with infantry but not cavalry speed would be my fix
sick game
GG match points go to Sebastian for sure!
Hera just admitted that he beat men.
But he still lost.
the strategie to mass scorps is, not to fight the mass scorps. XD
Insane win!
And this is why they don't give Halbs to Aztecs /s
Drop the WP in chat!!! Banger of a game there.
Khmer farming OP.
Is sending tc to corner of map and surrounding with walls not realistic in aoe2?
Nice game
i have to say he could still go on if his relics were not in front xd would have been funny to see hera going at this for 10 more mins and exploding.
Mayans should have been more precise with their attacks on buildings and not used as many eagles at the start without rams
wtf that awas awsome game gg
Scorpion Elephant also get ballistics?
Yes they do
Isnt the counter to scorpions even more scorpions? 😂
Lol GSP was probably on roids too man. No winning in that lineup.
I'm halfway through the video but if the answer is monks that would be crazy
I finished the video and still don't know the answer. The scorpion deathball survived all game
Mayans don't get redemption
@@dragovernrip, not that monks would work against 50 hussar I guess
insane click bait
3:40 amigo avísame y te paso el número de mí transa
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just take balistic away from khemer
The "counter" to scorpions is attacking away from them since they're too slow to react, you can tell Hera's not that familiar with using them otherwise he would know to have castles backward and wall his base off in Imp to avoid raids, it's not a resource issue since the scorpions will trade well.
Viper is a legend in aoe2,show some respect, dude.
I gotta say the clickbait titles are getting too much
"Found the counter", opponent still got demolished.
Hera's major mistake was not bringing in scorpions towards the rams. Scorpions are OK against rams, but most importantly they would deal with all the infantry that was protecting the rams, so hussars and vills could take care of them with ease.
Total clickbait !
Scorp + balistics IS NOT BROKEN. People just haven't fully figured out the counters, but they will. God I hate it when you try to make this game vanilla.