I see Ports of Call as being an absolutely vital addition to Starfinder's universe. Up until now, Paizo has only talked about things like the outer borders of the Veskarium or Azlanti Star Empire as big nebulous things, similar to how the original Star Trek series mostly just used Klingons and Romulans as a backdrop and occasional enemy to face. It wasn't until partway through The Next Generation, and then later during Deep Space 9, that Star Trek really hammered out a few key pieces of intergalactic geography, so that the resulting stories could have a lasting, tangible geopolitical consequence. There will always be more strange new worlds out in the vastness of space between the stars for explorers. But for those who wanted a story like in Babylon 5 or Deep Space 9, there hasn't been the kind of support for an in-depth campaign setting from Paizo. Ports of Call adds both content and mechanics (via Drift Lanes) for players to have a more tangible long-lasting Starfinder game.
I’d love to see more options across the board for biotech stuff, not just augmentations. I’m talking vehicle/starship/mech options that are organic. Flesh out the Xenowardens, or the Raxilites, maybe give me a theme for bioengineering, or an archetype or something.
10:11 I messed around with some a bit a few days ago, I didn't think it did better! The face it put together had two VERY, VERY different eyes, they were ABOUT the same color but the size of each was noticeably different
Did not know about ports of call, only thought we had one book coming. Im loving Starfinder, and honestly it should be as popular as dnd with all you can do. I feel like you can do more actually, just using actual rules. Obviously with home brew you can do whatever you want. But I mean there is literally a in game, rule approved, animal compartment you can have installed on some armor.
I agree with you. It needs to have more coverage to let more people know about the game and all it can do. While not as simple as DnD5e it certainly is more customizable to how you want to play.
@@JacksonOwex yeah which is odd, because when it comes to like tv and movies it seems sci fi gets more attention. But in TTRPG its all about classic fantasy. I think its a mix of marketing, and ppl thinking it might be to difficult to start with. Then they dont change to new games, once they learn on something like dnd.
@@JacksonOwex like I found out yesterday you can actually put grappling arms on a ship. So now im looking for a GM to run a long term campaign, through SFS. So that I can live out my firefly/outlaw star dreams lol.
So Exiced for the Starfinders new books! There was any player and dm defending Ai art and text? Wll Good to Paizo, i agree with 100% with the company in this Paizo could start paying the artist what they deserve tho
What if Starfinder draws inspiration from many other science-fiction and space opera franchises, including ARK: Survival Evolved, warcaster neo-mechanika, stellaris, Starfield, StarCraft, Horizon (video game series), borderlands, men in black, Star Trek, The Orville, doctor who, Farscape, Andromeda (TV series), Lost in Space, Battlestar Galactica, Stargate, Avatar (franchise), Independence Day Film series, predator, valerian and the city of a thousand planets, Titanfall 2, starship troopers, DOOM Eternal, gears of war, halo, Mass Effect, dolmen game, planetside 2, destiny 2, anthem game, Warframe, pacific rim, Elite Dangerous & star citizen
on pf unchained: true... and later some of its feature ideas were used in pf2. exm: scrapped the slayer class and its pretty much flurry ranger in pf2 now. they are saying "so no this isnt sf2e... BUT doesnt mean we aint prepping for that." so this book when released they will take feedback from players/gms on what they liike/dislike in it, keep note, then when sf2e is in development make the big changes.
On ther 'Star Map": Considering the nature of FTL in Starfinder, is such a thing necessary? In games like 'Traveller', for instance, you needed star maps to figure out how many 'parsecs' of distance separated worlds, as starships were rated in how many parsecs they could travel in a single 'jump, and some areas were simply uncrossable 'rifts' due to no planets within maximum jump distance. In Starfinder, you only have Near Space and The Vast, so all that is needed is a list of planets in Near Space, and another of planets in The Vast. Will be interesting to see what they come up with, though. Although they introduced some 'cargo' rules in one of the APs, I would like to see what they do with this as well. To again bring up a 'Traveller' comparison, back in the days before I found groups to play in, their Trade system was a good way to do solo play (buying a ship and making money to pay it off......not as much fun with my 'real' starship that I just had to put a new 'Hyuperdrive Transmission' in 😅)
You omitted one of the key reasons why people are pissed about AI art: every single mainstream AI art application is based off images that were used without the artist's consent. All with the explicit aim to completely replace the human artists they stole from. This is different from something like making memes using pictures, gifs, or video clips from movies, because memes do not act as a replacement for the original source material.
Except it’s not learning, it’s copying. I know this seems like splitting hairs but we’re not talking about an entity taking inspiration, but rather an algorithm that is utilising works in a way that crosses into plagiarism. This wouldn’t be as much of an issues if a) artists were compensated and sourced, or b) we scrap all copyright law so anybody can use anything in any capacity. At the moment it’s one law for regular people, another for cooperations, and digital generator algorithms are firmly in the latter category We should probably stop using the term AI too, it’s misleading and doesn’t apply here. At this point these are still just algorithms that could generously be called an SI
Imagine that, A company that actually makes it EASIER to enjoy their game WITHOUT trying to own all the fan made content... Someone call WotC and remind them they suck and why they have lost 2 GMs and 4 players from just my local gaming group, because you always rub their nose in their mess. Otherwise they will not learn.
So I have been dragging my feet on being a GM for some time and decided this week to make it happen. So I’ve been binging the videos here to boost my confidence (I’m at a solid +2 now; THANK YOU!). As for the AI issue: this is a game to be played by people, and for people. Why would we cut out people from the system?
Thank you for another fantastic video! As someone who's personally a fan of AI tools, I really enjoyed hearing your compelling arguments for and against AI art. Your insights have given me a lot to think about, and I appreciate the time and effort you put into creating content that challenges and inspires your viewers. Keep up the great work!
I just discovered Pathfinder like 6 months ago and I thought starfinder. No I'm not going to worry about that. But now my interest is piqued. So I'm looking into it more
Accessibility is not a real argument for AI art. As you yourself pointed out, anyone can go online and look at drawings, paintings, sculptures, or photographs for inspiration these days. You can use pencil and scratch paper, or MS Paint, or any other 100% open and free medium/resource out there to learn how to express yourself through art. What it takes is time. That's all it takes. Anyone, regardless of their physical ability, can invest the time it takes to practice. It doesn't take an expensive instrument, an exclusive geographical location, or special physical ability or talent to be able to do it. AI art is not about making art more accessible.
I wish my group would play starfinder, or even Pathfinder. I prefer prefer pathfinder over 5e and I'd love to see what they have done with a space ttrpg. But everyone at the table is new accept the dm and I. Baby steps i guess
Good take on AI art. I agree completely. I went to an art college for a couple years (fine art) and I'm very much into AI at the same time. Personally, I get a lot of satisfaction from AI art, more than I get from traditional art. I'm sacrificing a little bit less control, for better quality and the ability to create much more. That being said, AI art takes A LOT of time. It's not simple like some people think. And frankly, I think traditional artist could use it to augment their own art to great affect. It is also limiting when doing it from scratch to really creating an emotional composition. However, I'm not sure if this is due to the fact that creating good compositions is hard (especially for laymen) or if it's a true limitation of the tool ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I don't like AI art and don't care for AI text. Am I against its existence? No. People want to make personal art with it great, but if they try to sell it I feel that is theft.
@@noid1978 how could you say that?! big language models were trained on text without permission of the author, and so they could replicate the author's writing style! Of course it's stealing.
Well independent creators still need a license if they want to publish/sell and Paulo can revoke said license if there is a provision against AI art that is not adhered to
hands. AI still cant figure out hands. AI art looks okay at a glance but start looking at finer details and it just looks wrong. hands are the most glaring and always have inconsistent numbers of fingers and finger placement, also sometimes theres extra limbs. it also cant really do specifics, like specific ornaments or character design features.
Don't spread misinformation. The signature was seen on AI art, not the actual signature but a blurred misconstrued version. The reason for the comment is to show that your response could incite that the machine is plagiarizing the art. What's happening is the AI was fed the images is replicating it. The signature is usually a distorted part seen rarely. It is fuel that their works were entered into the AI, lots artists disagree that they didn't consent, but they did put it online for people to see. People recreate art all the time. Art class 101 is paint the classics yourself. The AI is just doing what you tell it to.
there are 0 pros for ai art, at least not for the traditional artist point of view. unfortunately its here and it will replace artist in the next 5 to 10 years. peeps might get mad at that but no big corp is going to pay a whole team of artists when they can just pay 1, 2 or 3 prompters to do the work of multiple teams. sucks but people and companies are going to use it, and its demand is just going to soar.
Art is absolutely going to change but how I dont know. Im doubtful any machine came capture the essence of "Soul" in art and for those looking for that kind of style or art a human as far as i know will always have that. but of course this will only be able to be done by a smaller number of artists.
But you can self publish, there are license requirements for being starfinder compatible. There is also the infinite programs for Pathfinder and Starfinder
The hell are you talking about?! People make shit for BOTH editions of Pathfinder AND Starfinder all the time! There's even a Paizo equivalent to DMsGuild called [Game name here]Infinite for people to put there stuff, IF they CHOOSE!
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Hey, its hard to find good Starfinder youtubers so I appreciate the content. Went ahead and subscribed.
Welcome to the table!
I know, right? I learned a lot about the system and setting just watching this channel.
Personally I really appreciate paizo's stance because it means more jobs for humans.
I am a fan of more jobs for humans
But..but...but what about the Androids
@@TheMapleTable Less jobs but more money for humans, that's what I want.
I see Ports of Call as being an absolutely vital addition to Starfinder's universe. Up until now, Paizo has only talked about things like the outer borders of the Veskarium or Azlanti Star Empire as big nebulous things, similar to how the original Star Trek series mostly just used Klingons and Romulans as a backdrop and occasional enemy to face. It wasn't until partway through The Next Generation, and then later during Deep Space 9, that Star Trek really hammered out a few key pieces of intergalactic geography, so that the resulting stories could have a lasting, tangible geopolitical consequence.
There will always be more strange new worlds out in the vastness of space between the stars for explorers. But for those who wanted a story like in Babylon 5 or Deep Space 9, there hasn't been the kind of support for an in-depth campaign setting from Paizo. Ports of Call adds both content and mechanics (via Drift Lanes) for players to have a more tangible long-lasting Starfinder game.
I play a ton of stellaris so i hope that it has inspiration from there.
I completely agree with you
I’d love to see more options across the board for biotech stuff, not just augmentations. I’m talking vehicle/starship/mech options that are organic. Flesh out the Xenowardens, or the Raxilites, maybe give me a theme for bioengineering, or an archetype or something.
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That thing looks like a Bomb from Final Fantasy… but redesigned with plushies in mind…
I see the marketing potential
10:11 I messed around with some a bit a few days ago, I didn't think it did better! The face it put together had two VERY, VERY different eyes, they were ABOUT the same color but the size of each was noticeably different
Its not perfect and the good images usually need several revisions or attempts
AI works wonders with stuff like the Rock Paper Scissors anime done by Corridor Digital as a proof of concept for AI mixed with Live Action filming
as a tool it can be extremely powerful.
Golorian World? I'm interested in what that's like!
same, im trying to picture an entire planet dedicated to being a theme park.
Did not know about ports of call, only thought we had one book coming. Im loving Starfinder, and honestly it should be as popular as dnd with all you can do. I feel like you can do more actually, just using actual rules. Obviously with home brew you can do whatever you want. But I mean there is literally a in game, rule approved, animal compartment you can have installed on some armor.
I agree with you. It needs to have more coverage to let more people know about the game and all it can do. While not as simple as DnD5e it certainly is more customizable to how you want to play.
Sci-Fi, and similar games, have never done as well as more generic fantasy games. Even Star Wars and Star Trek games never seem to be as popular.
@@JacksonOwex yeah which is odd, because when it comes to like tv and movies it seems sci fi gets more attention. But in TTRPG its all about classic fantasy. I think its a mix of marketing, and ppl thinking it might be to difficult to start with. Then they dont change to new games, once they learn on something like dnd.
@@JacksonOwex like I found out yesterday you can actually put grappling arms on a ship. So now im looking for a GM to run a long term campaign, through SFS. So that I can live out my firefly/outlaw star dreams lol.
Good stuff. Can't wait!
Im excited
So Exiced for the Starfinders new books!
There was any player and dm defending Ai art and text?
Wll Good to Paizo, i agree with 100% with the company in this
Paizo could start paying the artist what they deserve tho
im excited for the new starfinder books too!
What if Starfinder draws inspiration from many other science-fiction and space opera franchises, including ARK: Survival Evolved, warcaster neo-mechanika, stellaris, Starfield, StarCraft, Horizon (video game series), borderlands, men in black, Star Trek, The Orville, doctor who, Farscape, Andromeda (TV series), Lost in Space, Battlestar Galactica, Stargate, Avatar (franchise), Independence Day Film series, predator, valerian and the city of a thousand planets, Titanfall 2, starship troopers, DOOM Eternal, gears of war, halo, Mass Effect, dolmen game, planetside 2, destiny 2, anthem game, Warframe, pacific rim, Elite Dangerous & star citizen
I like the studio set up and camera. Do you play guitar or bass guitar?
I sing but I dont play unfortunately. Those are my dads while I am in the process of getting set back up in Canada. He does play
These videos are helping me put together my first Starfinder game as GM, ARTGOSA
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on pf unchained: true... and later some of its feature ideas were used in pf2. exm: scrapped the slayer class and its pretty much flurry ranger in pf2 now. they are saying "so no this isnt sf2e... BUT doesnt mean we aint prepping for that." so this book when released they will take feedback from players/gms on what they liike/dislike in it, keep note, then when sf2e is in development make the big changes.
i suspect that when we eventually do get starfinder 2.0 it will function more like pathfinder 2e and im all for that
On ther 'Star Map": Considering the nature of FTL in Starfinder, is such a thing necessary?
In games like 'Traveller', for instance, you needed star maps to figure out how many 'parsecs' of distance separated worlds, as starships were rated in how many parsecs they could travel in a single 'jump, and some areas were simply uncrossable 'rifts' due to no planets within maximum jump distance.
In Starfinder, you only have Near Space and The Vast, so all that is needed is a list of planets in Near Space, and another of planets in The Vast. Will be interesting to see what they come up with, though.
Although they introduced some 'cargo' rules in one of the APs, I would like to see what they do with this as well. To again bring up a 'Traveller' comparison, back in the days before I found groups to play in, their Trade system was a good way to do solo play (buying a ship and making money to pay it off......not as much fun with my 'real' starship that I just had to put a new 'Hyuperdrive Transmission' in 😅)
I play a lot of stellaris so i hope their map takes inspiration from that
You omitted one of the key reasons why people are pissed about AI art: every single mainstream AI art application is based off images that were used without the artist's consent. All with the explicit aim to completely replace the human artists they stole from.
This is different from something like making memes using pictures, gifs, or video clips from movies, because memes do not act as a replacement for the original source material.
Except for the online art gallery is still a public gallery which it is learning from.
Except it’s not learning, it’s copying. I know this seems like splitting hairs but we’re not talking about an entity taking inspiration, but rather an algorithm that is utilising works in a way that crosses into plagiarism. This wouldn’t be as much of an issues if a) artists were compensated and sourced, or b) we scrap all copyright law so anybody can use anything in any capacity. At the moment it’s one law for regular people, another for cooperations, and digital generator algorithms are firmly in the latter category
We should probably stop using the term AI too, it’s misleading and doesn’t apply here. At this point these are still just algorithms that could generously be called an SI
Imagine that, A company that actually makes it EASIER to enjoy their game WITHOUT trying to own all the fan made content...
Someone call WotC and remind them they suck and why they have lost 2 GMs and 4 players from just my local gaming group, because you always rub their nose in their mess. Otherwise they will not learn.
Vote with your wallet
So I have been dragging my feet on being a GM for some time and decided this week to make it happen. So I’ve been binging the videos here to boost my confidence (I’m at a solid +2 now; THANK YOU!).
As for the AI issue: this is a game to be played by people, and for people. Why would we cut out people from the system?
You got this!
Thank you for another fantastic video! As someone who's personally a fan of AI tools, I really enjoyed hearing your compelling arguments for and against AI art. Your insights have given me a lot to think about, and I appreciate the time and effort you put into creating content that challenges and inspires your viewers. Keep up the great work!
thanks so much. I am excited to see where AI goes and what tools can be made to help creators rather than replace them.
04:13 aged INCREDIBLY POORLY lmao
But not fair of me to hold you up on content from a year ago - still incredible stuff!
I just discovered Pathfinder like 6 months ago and I thought starfinder. No I'm not going to worry about that. But now my interest is piqued. So I'm looking into it more
Accessibility is not a real argument for AI art. As you yourself pointed out, anyone can go online and look at drawings, paintings, sculptures, or photographs for inspiration these days. You can use pencil and scratch paper, or MS Paint, or any other 100% open and free medium/resource out there to learn how to express yourself through art.
What it takes is time. That's all it takes. Anyone, regardless of their physical ability, can invest the time it takes to practice. It doesn't take an expensive instrument, an exclusive geographical location, or special physical ability or talent to be able to do it.
AI art is not about making art more accessible.
Starfinder 2e is inevitable but may take a while.
I wish my group would play starfinder, or even Pathfinder. I prefer prefer pathfinder over 5e and I'd love to see what they have done with a space ttrpg. But everyone at the table is new accept the dm and I. Baby steps i guess
Slow and steady
But I can still mess with a AI and force it to be my DM slave right?
What else is it good for?
@@TheMapleTable Right? If anything AI will be a great boon for people sick of DMing
Just ordered the Starter Pack. Really want to play but don’t really have anyone to play with… Do you know of any groups on discord that play for free?
I have seen a few play by post servers, and my own discord server has a LFG group
@@TheMapleTable Sweet thanks
@@TheMapleTable Oh, and I subbed as well.
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Hope it helps
Good take on AI art. I agree completely.
I went to an art college for a couple years (fine art) and I'm very much into AI at the same time.
Personally, I get a lot of satisfaction from AI art, more than I get from traditional art. I'm sacrificing a little bit less control, for better quality and the ability to create much more.
That being said, AI art takes A LOT of time. It's not simple like some people think. And frankly, I think traditional artist could use it to augment their own art to great affect.
It is also limiting when doing it from scratch to really creating an emotional composition. However, I'm not sure if this is due to the fact that creating good compositions is hard (especially for laymen) or if it's a true limitation of the tool ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I don't like AI art and don't care for AI text. Am I against its existence? No. People want to make personal art with it great, but if they try to sell it I feel that is theft.
I can understand how you feel it's potential theft for AI images, but AI description as theft doesn't make sense.
@@noid1978 how could you say that?! big language models were trained on text without permission of the author, and so they could replicate the author's writing style! Of course it's stealing.
@@Mark-vr7pt A writing style isn't something you can own.
@@noid1978 oh I was just talking about art. As for text. I'd never use it cause I don't need help with ideas.
@@Mark-vr7pt The same can be sayed to art ai
I'm gonna admit something that nobody wants to admit...
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Mind Thrust needs a HARD nerf... But it's probably not gonna get it...
There is only 1 other spell that is comparable to damage
@@TheMapleTable Indeed. And neither will be adapted...
AI ban is unenforceable. They have rights for IP and all, but this is only PR decision
That may be
Well independent creators still need a license if they want to publish/sell and Paulo can revoke said license if there is a provision against AI art that is not adhered to
Fighting against the tide of AI is a futile endeavor.
Love it or hate it, its here to stay
pAIzo's anti ai stance is anti android and other synthetic life.
End the hate.
Lol j/k
End the hate
hands. AI still cant figure out hands. AI art looks okay at a glance but start looking at finer details and it just looks wrong. hands are the most glaring and always have inconsistent numbers of fingers and finger placement, also sometimes theres extra limbs.
it also cant really do specifics, like specific ornaments or character design features.
Once it figures out hands it will be unstoppable
Don't spread misinformation. The signature was seen on AI art, not the actual signature but a blurred misconstrued version. The reason for the comment is to show that your response could incite that the machine is plagiarizing the art. What's happening is the AI was fed the images is replicating it. The signature is usually a distorted part seen rarely. It is fuel that their works were entered into the AI, lots artists disagree that they didn't consent, but they did put it online for people to see. People recreate art all the time. Art class 101 is paint the classics yourself. The AI is just doing what you tell it to.
there are 0 pros for ai art, at least not for the traditional artist point of view. unfortunately its here and it will replace artist in the next 5 to 10 years. peeps might get mad at that but no big corp is going to pay a whole team of artists when they can just pay 1, 2 or 3 prompters to do the work of multiple teams. sucks but people and companies are going to use it, and its demand is just going to soar.
Art is absolutely going to change but how I dont know. Im doubtful any machine came capture the essence of "Soul" in art and for those looking for that kind of style or art a human as far as i know will always have that. but of course this will only be able to be done by a smaller number of artists.
@@TheMapleTable my ex son in law works in AI at Microsoft. trust me the "soul" part is coming 😐
Well Paizo isn't going to be, at least for now!
@@JacksonOwex I'm talking aaa studios... im sure smaller companies will stick it out for a lot longer. Sooner or later tho...
Meh. Just wish thier liscencing wasnt so much worse than wotc. You cant publish anything yourself. Not much point in investing in a monopoly.
But you can self publish, there are license requirements for being starfinder compatible. There is also the infinite programs for Pathfinder and Starfinder
The hell are you talking about?! People make shit for BOTH editions of Pathfinder AND Starfinder all the time! There's even a Paizo equivalent to DMsGuild called [Game name here]Infinite for people to put there stuff, IF they CHOOSE!