24 Hour Party People Interviews (New Order, James, Happy Mondays...)
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- 00:00 Peter Hook & Stephen Morris (New Order) 01:42 Bernard Summer (New Order) 03:22 Arthur Baker 05:33 Tony Wilson 09:43 Peter Saville 15:59 Shaun Ryder (Happy Mondays) 21:03 Bez/Mark Berry (Happy Mondays) 24:18 Jon Ronson 28:11 Mark Radcliffe 32:50 Tim Booth (James) 34:26 Jim Glennie & Larry Gott (James) 42:13 Peter Hook 46:19 Dave Haslam
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Tony Wilson was an intellectual elitist but he had his hand on the pulse of cutting edge music. Thanks, Tony for giving us some great music...
He was a visionary
@@yawnguy94 And he knew it
also had his hands in the artist's pockets... (not that what you said isn't true because it absolutely is)
That isn't intellectual elitism, that is just general British intelligence, that seems foreign to the general american view, based on it's poor intelligence average. The members of Joy division/new order are relatable, because, other than Ian, intelligence wasn't a high concern for them.
@@neaituppi7306 i absolutely couldn't understand what you meant by the latter part of your statement
Tony Wilson, Civic Patriot. You loved music and you loved manchester and you helped make the latter famous for the former - RIP... i hope it's always J time in Heaven
Shaun Ryder is not getting through customs.
Quality!
"I'm here to harass you,
I want your pills and your grass you,
You don't look first class you,
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I remember doing work experience for a week at Factory, aged 14 it was fucking amazing. Wilson was a total gent. I was sat in his office with him and Erasmus and he asked my opinion of The Stone Roses, obviously I said I loved them. He told me they were shit and gave me a demo tape saying 'THIS is the best band in Manchester'. Was Northside 😂. I ended up living there later, just after Wilson died. Erasmus is still there.
Is there offices where the Boardwalk was on Little Peter Street or Palatine Road in Withington,???
@Carl Carter Fourth year secondary, 14/15.
@@terencestephenmoss2159 Palatine just flats now, Erasmus still knocking about.
@Ras al Hanout Cool - when was this? I’m guessing it must’ve been 1989. I also knew someone who did work experience there in 1990. I applied later but unfortunately fell through as they were in the process of going bust!
Northside were good. Shame they didn't have more success. The Madchester scene came and went very quickly.
Northerners:Friendly,down to earth and looking for a good time.
Best description ever.
RIP Anthony H Wilson.
I've had so many blue mondays but find comfort in appreciating I'm not alone x
Blue Monday - a great Buddy Holly track; like the velvet underground doing rockabilly.
@@stuartwray6175 I love The Velvet Underground but was referencing Blue Monday by New Order.
I need to learn more about Rockabilly as love the style, aesthetics, music, tatoos etc but don't know much about the specifics.
Sean Ryder is mashed here scratching lol,i have to say well done to him for sorting him self out hope he keeps it going
Looking at him back then, who would have thought that he'd be getting Gogglebox money nowadays lol.
"Basically we turned arsing about into an art form" quality!
The best thing about this all is that 'ookie nicked the opening riff to Roxy Music's Virginia Plain and made it his own: CEREMONY. No one ever noticed this. Proper glam rocker 'e is.
Great stuff. Thanks man. Loving the elucidation.
Arthur Baker is a Dance music master.
Got to talk to him and take a photo - my friend did an afterhours here in L.A. and I couldn't believe that me and Cut Chemist (who hosted it) and few others were the only fanboys that rolled through.
16:07 - isn't that Darth vader after his helmet was removed by Luke Skywalker towards the end of the Return of the jedi?
Ha ha. That's what NME said after this program aired on TV. "On Darth's Door" was the headline, I remember laughin'. :)
Glad that Shaun is "better" nowadays
To this day
I still love Bez!
Say what you want but this movie was a snippet to a whole new world of music and Manchester’s legacy.
I loved that movie. Funny, quirky, done with respect, a great hommage to the music scene that gave most of the music of my teenage years.
I miss Tony Wilson. World could've used a lot more of him. Fact is he fucking _made_ that scene, from the ground up....pity more didn't/don't realize it.
Or was he just the talking head? “That one way mirror, the chairman of the board”
every scene needs a fixer and promoter just like every hiphop act needs a hype guy.
Don't forget Rob Gretton
Ryder has seriously sorted himself out. He was an absolute mess then.
he still is
Crazy watching him in this. Good to have the old Shaun back - except the thieving part 😉😁
Looks like he's got Alzheimers from the obvious shaking. I'd say he's not sorted out at all but dying.
@@2112jonr You DO know that the Ryder bits (well, all of it) was filmed YEARS ago, right? Of course you know, otherwise you've just come across as a right tw*t.
@@2112jonr Everyone is fookin dying pal
RIP Paul Ryder
Tony Wilson is and always will be a god.
Bit of a tit tho, wasnt he
At least give Tony credit if you're gonna quote him like that.
9:07respect is due.R.I.P PAUL RYDER
This doc is amazing and not a mention of the rivalry with the stone roses that the music press tried to make out between the two bands!
Good to see Jon Ronson in this - such an interesting bloke!
Tony Wilson gave opportunity, exposure, voice, credibility to many bands that were on the periphery of the music scene in Manchester as it was then in the mid 70's, he championed many young fledgling bands through his show SO IT GOES and continued to use his own profile and connections to expose and validate new voices, Happy Mondays doing "Performance" on The Other Side Of Midnight.is a stand out moment.Of course sometimes he got it wrong often he got it Oh So Right and we as fans reaped the rewards
the bands and their music were the voice of Manchester but Tony and Alan where the greatest cheerleaders any city , movement or band could ever have, also they put their money where their very loud gobby mouths were
Tony Wilson was often pilloried in his own lifetime as smarmy, smug and too self agrandising
Wrong! Tony was rightly proud of the bands on his label and often said how privileged he was to be doing what he did, he ands lets not forget the quiet man with Tony and a founder and believer in the Factory Dogma, Alan Erasmus felt so much belief in the sound, the people, the bands, the music, the words that were coming out of their great city that they signed of on taking fuck all.......
"we own nothing, the bands own everything"
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Great video. Thanks for the upload.
Tony Wilson was a great guy.
Bez what a fucking legend, absolutely fried
Oh man i miss living in Manchester... Best 13 years of my life... Great music, great art scene, great clubs (at the time) amazing people.... And i am from Berlin.... Techno capital of the world....
I too am lucky enough to have experienced (among other scenes and places) Madchester, Seattle in 1991 and Berlin after reunification and they were all fantastic places to be and wonderful times to be alive.
I've partied in Berlin, Trosor was a particular highlight as it was its anniversary when I went.
People just kept buying me drinks there
They made it look easy🙂soooo true .
God bless you Tony🙏🙂
Saun Ryder is a living warning
Philippe Landry 😂😂😂
cafe del casual 89 He's joking, is all. Harmless fun. I'm sure Saun would be in on the joke.
Yeah, just goes to show you can pull it all back. He’s doing well now. It’s never too late
Shaun is a living legend imo
..but he does live...
I love Tony Wilson in this
And Postpunk was developed in germany many years earlier. Before punk was punk ! Thanks to an ingenious producer and sound engineer named Conny Plank ! The Band NEU! " Lila Engel " or
the Stockhausen disciples CAN " Mother Sky " were possible the impetus for the style in Manchester.
"producin the album when he was asleep was pretty good" lololol
Pleased to meet you all people!
glad Shaun’s in better shape now
This is simply brilliant....
So many great memories hotboxin in my car from Paderborn Germany stopping in Holland driving to Calais then arriving in Manchester on Friday totally wrecked but ready for a night of ecstasy at the Hacienda✊Then drive back Sunday back in work Monday completely stoned great memories great people who were true to themselves not like todays Instagram generation of fake people
Back in my day....
Congrats on making it to the grumpy old man stage of life.
'Them Scousers' that Bez refers to are Echo And The Bunnymen.
But Bernard you did work in a Factory
zephyra with the way factory records was run can you blame them? kind of like a hippie commune for creative people that shared a vision and money was down the list of importance not at the top, which is why its so legendary. still, its no wonder factory attracted the best acts.
2:25, how many of us have had THAT experience?
left ears loving this
Bez is surprisingly unscathed!
and I saw how fucking absolute crazy it was, I was there for it - nice to see him doing good. X)
Shaun looks clean finally also - miracles never cease! O_O
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Definitely not unscathed.....
No mate. Scathed. There was definitely some scathing. Scathitude was a thing.
i remember seeing vic reeves in the hac, on the dance floor grooving away one friday night. nude night? or void, fk knows cant remember hardly any of it but i can recal the songs in the exact order they were mixed in haha. top days!
I love Bez talking about "how good we sound." lol
His marakas were integral to the Monday's sound. 😂
Breaks my heart a little bit when bandmates won’t get interviewed together.
1:27 Steve Carrel was a gutsy choice to play Curtis.
we know what you mean, bez
No need to keep asking.
Saville speaks to the zeitgeist of the times.
NEW ORDER was "Hevean sent!"
Proper clucking Shaun 😂
He deffo aint clucking here mate!
Interesting document, but desperately needs labels so we can know who these people are. I listened to these bands at the time, but except for Hook and Morris, Tony Wilson and Tim Booth , I couldn't figure out who's giving most of the testimonies.
I found teachers never tell you could do better than them it's always jobs that the teacher perceives as under them that that say you should do
You can hear on "Dream Attack" where Barney only let Hooky play on less than half the track.
yeah that sucked. contrast it with the demo which featured a lovely melodic bass, signature Hooky style. if that had been their last album, that would've been a jarring way to end things, but maybe a tad better than Working Overtime. at least there's Turn.
Dave Haslam cutting through the myrh and BS to give it to you straight. Respect.
But Bernie did end up working in a Factory
factory records 😭😭😭💓
4:59 The Housienda? Lol
I love New Order and Joy Division, U2 also. But if we're talking about U2's influences, we cannot cannot forget the immortal Stuart Adamson and the Skids. PiL, Keith Levene, Skids all the way! In fact, these five bands I've just mentioned are collectively responsible for more great songs than I can possibly count.
U2 are horrifically dull, and Bono is more corporate-entity than artist.
Luv stuart adamson Fields of fire live brilliant
@@neilsun2521 The whole band is just a corporate entity but I can't deny a few of their songs are guilty pleasures of mine. Their albums are weak and packed with filler but they could drop a good single every now and then, and at least they picked the right people to steal from.
I kept hearing about Hacienda before, but they never said what it was, other than a bad investment, it sounded like. I didn't know if it was another band besides Joy Division, New Order, or a record company or a hotel. But I guess it was a club.
It was a club in Manchester, if you didn't know that already...
Well, the movie made it pretty clear...
Man I fucking miss the 90s
Tim Booth here looks like Davross creator of the daleks.
Manchester yeah...
glad Shaun has sorted him self out, he was messed up here, about to tour again,
Sorted out for E's and Whizz
Ya know...it was, ya know...a pretty interesting view ya know of these artist, ya know..z
Oh good lord..
theres only 2000 copys of atmosphere ive got one if ay one wants to buy it
Everyone in Manchester was a postman in the early 80,s lol
Don't know why Wilson got as much jip as he got
- he was as individualist and eccentric as the folks he signed, it seems to me - I got no problem with that.
Bunch of gossipy old ladies imo
Is the American guy with the beard Arthur Baker?
Yes
lol, nice one!
shame on you bernard for not reading the script, lol
is this on the DVD extras? i love 24 Hour Party People but I dont remember this....loving it though.
in DVD menu click 'Groovy Stuff', next page click 'Pills n Thrills', then use up, down, left, right on your remote to highlight the little men on the map to find these videos,,, also in outtakes click on the running man (top right corner) to find more pages of outtakes ;)
Absolutely was in the initial DVD release. Unless they've removed it for a bare-bones edition nowadays.
Any idea where the New Order interview at the start comes from? It's not on my DVD. Thanks.
bez looks like he's still desperately trying to dance
Geri halliwell x multiple makeovers = never credible. Tony Wilson x multiple fuckups = always credible. Dave Haslan really touched on the intangible quality of genuis and creativity. Respect to Haslam.
7:09 "When Sid Vicious made his music" ? What music did Sid Vicious make??
Very true
I'm certain he never said that quote anyway. I actually quite like his versions of 'My way' and 'Somethin else' :-)
@@rexterrocks I think he did because it's in the video
@@davidfoster9339 Hahaha! I couldn't tell if you were joking or serious. Just because Tony Wilson said something in a video certainly doesn't make it true lol!
@@rexterrocks Wow you got me. It's a shame that Glen Matlock did'nt get the much credit for the Sex Pistols. Sid was a dickhead. even Paul Weller hit him
"Indian?"
Haha
Lol, You did work in a Factory, Factory Records
Who's that on the sofa with Barney? Looks a bit like Robert Elms...
it feels like the early 90s were an awkward time conceptually, and even then new order were at the cutting edge straying from the whole uk indie scene. by the way, i feel that happy mondays' aesthetic as a whole is interesting, but tiring to me, i find screamadelica is the quintessential art/acid house rock album
Screamadelica is so 👍
Swallow a dictionary you did🕺🕺🕺There Defo wasn't no awkwardness late 80s up until mid 90s 🕺🕺🕺🕺
15:60. Who is that dude? More importantly is he still alive?
Shaun Ryder, yes he is
15.60=16🤣
Jon Ronson still whinging about that time Tony Wilson was mean to him.
I know he's an utter twat.
Agincourt lasted 2 hours, it is believed. Lol though.
Watching this it’s very sad hooky isn’t in new order anymore .. pity they couldn’t just sort it out
Well they should have paid him properly then simple as that 😂
What does Jon Ronson have to do with anything? He's a public school boy from Cardiff!
He was the keyboard player for the Frank Sidebottom band for almost a decade, who were at the time at the fringes of the Manchester scene. Timperley is in Greater Manchester BTW.
Oh okay thanks, I knew he played with Frank Sidebottom but I thought only briefly as a stand in for maybe one tour. Anyway, got nothing against Jon Ronson I like him as an author. Just didn't know why he was in this documentary.
He also managed The Man From Delmonte
Exactly. He had nothing to do with Factory, and he's been exposed as a phoney crop-circle maker. He was used in the mainstream media in the late '90s to pretend he'd created all the crop circles in Europe - yet somehow he never got arrested for admitting trespassing and vandalism etc. He's got 'establishment stooge' written all over him. Richard Hall (Richplanet) has done some great work digging into his background.
@@neilsun2521 you what?!?
The articulate guy in the black sweater and the yellow wall behind him (I don't know the names of most of these guys talking, wish I did) is absolutely mistaken, the mid-70s punk scene was not like the 50s rock scene. In the 50s, the grown-ups were in charge, but by the 70s the inmates (including Tony Wilson, a grown-up) had pretty much taken over the asylum. If Colonel Tom had told Elvis to give himself an enema onstage, he would have. Elvis was a good singer and he was there when the revolution started, and he influenced a lot of people. The Sex Pistols, on the other hand, were the Red Guards of rock. They wanted to destroy everything that went on before them, even if some of it was actually good stuff. (Yo! Just found the list of the speakers under the video!)
His name is Peter Saville, a graphic designer who produced the art work for Factory Records bands.
I believe his point comes from a different perspective. He is an artist and perceives things as such. He is not mistaken, you misunderstood him.
Bez! know what ah mean?
2:08 which ever carnt teacher said this didnt deserve to be a teacher
why does Ian Curtis look 45 in a wig?
What's Jon Ronson got to do with Factory? I can't remember; there's something phoney about him.
Quite right pal. All I know is he was a journalist, don't know if he still is, anyway, this is a documentary about factory records, so why does he babble on about the stone roses, spike Island, Ian brown being moody and living next door to remi and mani? From what I can remember they was signed to Columbia, Silvertone, and geffen throughout their careers (there maybe more as they did change labels a few times) they was nothing to do with factory records, although they was an exceptionally good band.
Martin Shkreli @ 0:30 !
Hilarious how up their own backsides some of the bands are on here, like they've never been out of the northwest. Yes, we produced some notable bands in Manchester in the 1980s for sure. But only New Order were of any size, and we've not produced much before and nothing since (although I think Posh Spice lived in Wilmslow for a while - but she's from Essex). Not only are we NOT the second city of the UK by any measure though, but the Midlands has produced many more bigger and more notable bands - Black Sabbath, Slade, Duran Duran and Led Zeppelin to name just a few. Its just that the Midlanders don't shout about it like us gobby lot do.
shaun Ryder , people saw what we were doing and thought they could do it , heroin lol
At the 16:00 minute mark Uncle Fester is being interviewed for no apparent reason.
Ur a tit
Shaun keeps shacking his leg. You can hear him doing it. He is also whacked out.
This was around the time he stopped doing heroin. He would've been on other meds for a while tho anyway.
31:49.... very shrewd person.. genius
21:03 AKA Bez
Who are these people? No titles
The names are in the description.
Bez + closed captions = larf
made my day
can anyone fill me in as to what has happened in the Manchester music-wise since 1991?
Oasis, Charlatans, Elbow etc
Apart from Oasis, not much. But the '80s names like Morrissey; New Order; and Ian Brown have continued to put out quality music.
Chemical brothers, Oasis , etc etc.
Doves
the stone roses were bang on the button when they called factory records, a bunch of middle class trenchcoat wearing weirdo's.
There will never be someone more working class than Shaun Ryder
The SR were not the smartest band ever to make a record, picking that manager that they had is all the proof you need.
@@TCO345 Shows that Tony Wilson wasn't that smart either. He turned The Stone Roses down. The best Manchester band of the lot.
Ian Brown who grew up in Timperley and attended and Altrincham Grammar School. Hardly working class himself.
@@mind3952 they’re good but not the best from manchester