i always though this character was the most confusing to fully understand along with ginyu. Thanks to this video i feel very confident in beating EVERYONE in evo.
@@FlashinA nah 17 is a lot simpler when it comes to most things like take combos, using the ginyu force to combo is crazy and I'm saying this as someone who has learnt the common optimal combos for most characters, android 17 is just about charing up one of his moves and using his 236 ex right
This was very helpful for someone like me who hasn't kept up with the meta in like a year or two. Everything is so different now that I'm not sure what happened while I was gone. It feels like a new game
Here's what you need to know: The fusions are pretty good, to the point where full fusions (Specifically the Gogetas and Vegito) was the meta team before Lab Coat 21 made it two fusions and Lab Coat 21, and she's still solid after the nerfs. Basically everyone is great these days, so just figure out who works well with who and you have a solid team. Fusions and Lab Coat 21 is still a great team, so if you want to kickstart yourself in the new meta there's an easy choice.
@@emberthefox4951 I've never really used lab coat 21 or vegito, but my team has switched up alot, my main is super broly, I think my final team could be him, gogeta blue and 17, or super broly, ui and gogeta, or ui and 17, hard to pick a main team
@@damienmoontear5864 I'm not a fan of fusions but Blue Gogeta with 17 A assist is one of the best shells in the entire game. You can use literally any 3rd character you want and it's still going to be a solid team. If that 3rd character is also top tier like Z Brolly or UI Goku you could do some serious work.
@@LordRaiden242 for me, I'll run super broly, cause he is my best character, tried the team of 17, blue gogeta, super broly out earlier and it was really solid
Literally always on my team and has been since the day he came out. He was low-key godlike before the buffs. He had some super broken stuff that was taken away when he got buffed and no I'm not talking about the completely pointless rejump. Rejump was never even optimal on him. He has like 5 round start and no spark TODs that have been in the game since he dropped that still work today. Don't believe what the video said about him giving completely safe mix ups. All level 1 dp and obviously any level 3 beats it.
@@starwarriorterra8373 Pretty much he had an infinite block string with EX barrier. It technically used 1 bar for each repetition but most people would start to panic after they notice it and got hit. On a better player you could still power blitz and assist for a 50/50 and it was really easy to bait stuff out because guard cancel used to be far worse than it is now. In the current patch the only fallow up you can do on a blocked EX barrier vanish and then play a little RPS or if you have a good enough assist you can keep it safe without the vanish.
@@jesuspernia8031 I don't play DBFZ so I'm speaking generally. From what I understand about fighting games and mix up type characters, the player needs to be better than their opponent for mix ups to work and mix up options don't exactly equate to a top tier kit despite how good they are. When you figure out the player's thoughts and stop their characters Schtick constantly the character just becomes sort of "meh". Then the player has to use even more brain power than before but is noticeably scrambling to stay even. 17 might not be Low tier but Mid and Low characters require bigger brains to make them work better. If I'm better than you and/or know your character, mix ups don't mean as much to me as it does to players on your level. Personally, what messed me up as a player is trying to mix people too much because I had a lot of fun as Low and Mid Tier characters knowing I'm just as good or better than the other player. I'd wind up mixing myself as a result because I'd be Speculating too long or doing too much too soon. If a character is too focused around mixing or has a kit that requires actually being better than your opponent, having to work too hard is the reason for a lower ranking. Either that or people don't fully understand the character so they just put the character anywhere.
When I played Videl, 17, Kefla and used his A assist, people said I was crazy. That it just barrier with an attack How naive my boys were. They thought it wasn’t OD. So when I go to CEOtaku with him, don’t call me crazy any more lol
people thought the same thing about yamcha A until kazunoko started the super dash assist meta with it...but b/c it was yamcha, it didn't hold up after season 3
@@TheFightingGentleman All I’m saying is, EVERY WHO DOUBTED ME IS ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS, IF YOU AINT BEEN A PART OF THIS AT LEAST U GOT TO WIIIIITNESS
when i picked up this game in the latter of season 2, 17 was one of the characters i gravitated towards. i didn't fully understand his full potential then but he was still fun now im glad people are picking up this really interesting character
Bro, 17 is so underrated. I don’t get how people don’t like him in any way possible (as a character of course). His moves are great for pressure and he is a good anchor if you need someone to carry the team.
I'm scared of 17 because I'm a Super Broly main having to deal with my friends playing either Hit,17,Vegito and that one friend that plays like half the roster
I keep thinking that glacier arena is official. I keep getting whiplash when I see 17's coat and thinking that's a mod, only to realize the background lol.
0:17 but that’s ONLY if you pre-emptively call assist. That’s basically making an unforseeable read. Unless you know the player really well and you can predict that move based on their playstyle.
I like how you choose his' GT drip while testing him out on 4Geta. Would been only better if u choose GTku as a target practice. And Lazuli (18) in the team and maybe even Krillin. For that perfect recreation of that arc.
I absolutely love android 17 as a character both in the game and anime. This is why I attempt to get better with him, but sadly continue to fail. One day I’ll get better and be able to do some sick mix-ups and combos just like you!
Personally, he's been my favorite side character in the series. Very great to see him get buffed to Stat since he legit was a huge threat for a while there.
The thing I love about Eva videos is the overflow of information: this is barely a 2min video but it seemed endless cuz it's just very self explanatory
he’s been one of those that i loved but had to respect from a distance bc im not that good with my reflexes. any stance character in any game i love because of the uniqueness like Hit, 17 or Erron Black , etc.
The best part is yelling "martial arts!" Whenever he goes crane stance. Same for gang signs on master roshie's second light attavk animation in his light spam combo
I like how you used Metal Slug music for him. If Shueisha and Neo Geo ever work together to make another Metal Slug, Lapis and Lazuli (Aged up) could make a cameo as extra playable characters!
I’m scared every time I see a 17 player. I swear to god it’s like he has a brand new move set every single time. You’ll never get your ankles broken the same way twice.
He's on essentially all of my teams because I main Adult Gohan. His assist is absolutely insane, leads to great block strings and is immense defensively which opens people up because it protects against guard cancel as well. He also absolutely shits out meter with his optimal jS "loops" and does a lot of damage once you get the hang of his rekka's (his technical BnB with two loops of jS in to elbow drop does 5400 before any supers) and has the overall best solo mix in the game once you begin to learn how to utilize his wall bounce cancels to force 50/50's with and without assists.
I love the current patch of the game. There are so many options now that blocking is actually impressive and it seems to encourage more freestyle play rather than support locking your opponent down with math so you can mix.
The android 17 journey from when he got released to now is an amazing one. He really did come a long way from the mediocre version of himself he used to be way back when.
I was never super into DBFZ to begin with, but I always knew 17 was gonna be a slept-on superbeast. I'm glad I was wrong about him being slept on now lol
Y'know, I've always liked 17, and when I got the first dlc pass I tried to use him, I understood what he's supposed to be but never seemed to make him work, so in the end I left him only picking him from time to time to try to understand how to play with him, but seeing this, I think I'll just dedicate a lot of time to him and see what comes out
When I played DBFZ, I always thought he was pretty strong and only getting stronger. I only dropped him because at some point one of the changes made the rejump from 5H either impossible or damn near impossible. I could do it with literally every other character except A17. And I couldn't even find the change in the patch notes that made it so difficult all of a sudden.
Dude has been on meta teams in France for a while now. double fusion+17 is crazy, and he adds so much damage to active tag combos it's ludicrous. people living under a rock????
it's just people coming back from a time he wasn't played often. I watched 17 become meta, but I've taken some hiatus from the game myself at times and the shift in meta can be pretty surprising sometimes.
Man i hate to sound like that one dude, but i played 17 the second he dropped and i already knew he was a more top tier character. Everybody else was sayin he “OKAY” at best. Now he everywhere, moral of this play who tf you want not cause they seem strong. Even tho some characters take a little more brain power than others
![[OUTDATED] DBFZ 1.25 Android 17 BnB / Advanced Combos | DRAGON BALL FighterZ](/img/n.gif)
17 suddenly becoming the goat out of nowhere at the end is just lore accurate.
Now we just gotta wait for the team up with frieza and goku
He’s been amazing for a long time you just have to work harder with him versus using the meta
thats true hhaha
That’s our boy
he's always been good, just needs you to actually work for it
I've been a 17 player since day one glad to see he's finally getting the attention he deserves
You speaking facts
You mean his assist
I prefer when my character 's best moves stay mysterious...
@@zobdos you mean his best assist
@@guyfauks2576 no
The fact that no one knew he was this good really stands to the legacy of fighterZ 17 being the “character no one plays”
I’ve always been more scared of an #17 main than a fellow hit main or a fat buu main.
What Abt someone who knows the Ginyu force combos on every character
@@legna.r5696 good ginyu players are TERRIFYING
I mean of course they wouldn't know every team I see ranked or pro is u.i fusions or brolys
i always mained him and my brother Just hated when i picked him
i always though this character was the most confusing to fully understand along with ginyu. Thanks to this video i feel very confident in beating EVERYONE in evo.
I know right? The more confusing but good characters like those two are so underappreciated.
(he did not beat everyone in Evo)
im a ginyu player and the only complication is the force, 17 is just mind explosion
@@FlashinA I love that band
@@FlashinA nah 17 is a lot simpler when it comes to most things like take combos, using the ginyu force to combo is crazy and I'm saying this as someone who has learnt the common optimal combos for most characters, android 17 is just about charing up one of his moves and using his 236 ex right
This was very helpful for someone like me who hasn't kept up with the meta in like a year or two. Everything is so different now that I'm not sure what happened while I was gone. It feels like a new game
Almost like all those stupid ass fighting game terms are rotting your brain. Go outside
Here's what you need to know: The fusions are pretty good, to the point where full fusions (Specifically the Gogetas and Vegito) was the meta team before Lab Coat 21 made it two fusions and Lab Coat 21, and she's still solid after the nerfs. Basically everyone is great these days, so just figure out who works well with who and you have a solid team. Fusions and Lab Coat 21 is still a great team, so if you want to kickstart yourself in the new meta there's an easy choice.
@@emberthefox4951 I've never really used lab coat 21 or vegito, but my team has switched up alot, my main is super broly, I think my final team could be him, gogeta blue and 17, or super broly, ui and gogeta, or ui and 17, hard to pick a main team
@@damienmoontear5864 I'm not a fan of fusions but Blue Gogeta with 17 A assist is one of the best shells in the entire game. You can use literally any 3rd character you want and it's still going to be a solid team. If that 3rd character is also top tier like Z Brolly or UI Goku you could do some serious work.
@@LordRaiden242 for me, I'll run super broly, cause he is my best character, tried the team of 17, blue gogeta, super broly out earlier and it was really solid
Even before the patches it was a nightmare having to block all his bs, and when you thought you could finally hit him he does that green shield.
Literally always on my team and has been since the day he came out. He was low-key godlike before the buffs. He had some super broken stuff that was taken away when he got buffed and no I'm not talking about the completely pointless rejump. Rejump was never even optimal on him. He has like 5 round start and no spark TODs that have been in the game since he dropped that still work today. Don't believe what the video said about him giving completely safe mix ups. All level 1 dp and obviously any level 3 beats it.
So he has lots of frame traps then? Or am I still off the mark with that?
@@starwarriorterra8373 Pretty much he had an infinite block string with EX barrier. It technically used 1 bar for each repetition but most people would start to panic after they notice it and got hit. On a better player you could still power blitz and assist for a 50/50 and it was really easy to bait stuff out because guard cancel used to be far worse than it is now. In the current patch the only fallow up you can do on a blocked EX barrier vanish and then play a little RPS or if you have a good enough assist you can keep it safe without the vanish.
Ex barrier just used to be safe and cancellable into the unused rekka right?
He was always the king of mix ups. Idk why everyone had him in low tier back then. High tier at worst.
@@jesuspernia8031 I don't play DBFZ so I'm speaking generally. From what I understand about fighting games and mix up type characters, the player needs to be better than their opponent for mix ups to work and mix up options don't exactly equate to a top tier kit despite how good they are. When you figure out the player's thoughts and stop their characters Schtick constantly the character just becomes sort of "meh". Then the player has to use even more brain power than before but is noticeably scrambling to stay even.
17 might not be Low tier but Mid and Low characters require bigger brains to make them work better. If I'm better than you and/or know your character, mix ups don't mean as much to me as it does to players on your level. Personally, what messed me up as a player is trying to mix people too much because I had a lot of fun as Low and Mid Tier characters knowing I'm just as good or better than the other player. I'd wind up mixing myself as a result because I'd be Speculating too long or doing too much too soon. If a character is too focused around mixing or has a kit that requires actually being better than your opponent, having to work too hard is the reason for a lower ranking. Either that or people don't fully understand the character so they just put the character anywhere.
When I played Videl, 17, Kefla and used his A assist, people said I was crazy. That it just barrier with an attack
How naive my boys were. They thought it wasn’t OD. So when I go to CEOtaku with him, don’t call me crazy any more lol
people thought the same thing about yamcha A until kazunoko started the super dash assist meta with it...but b/c it was yamcha, it didn't hold up after season 3
@@TheFightingGentleman All I’m saying is, EVERY WHO DOUBTED ME IS ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS, IF YOU AINT BEEN A PART OF THIS AT LEAST U GOT TO WIIIIITNESS
"it defense you from all sides and then has an attack attached to it too"
Bruh that sounds good as hell on principle
@@094176 Man. I BEEN TELLING THEM. Nobody fucking listens lol
@@TheFightingGentleman that’s just because yamcha kept getting nerfed.
They called me a madman for sticking with 17.
It's nice to see him finally pop off.
17 is my favorite character in the franchise. Finally getting the respect he Deserves.
when i picked up this game in the latter of season 2, 17 was one of the characters i gravitated towards. i didn't fully understand his full potential then but he was still fun
now im glad people are picking up this really interesting character
Bro, 17 is so underrated. I don’t get how people don’t like him in any way possible (as a character of course). His moves are great for pressure and he is a good anchor if you need someone to carry the team.
17 finally getting the respect he deserves
I’m so glad I stuck with him ever since he was in the game. Such a great character. Probably my favorite character in all of Dragon Ball too.
17 really disappeared from canon for 15 years in-universe only to come back and force his way into everyone's top 5 favorite DB characters, what a lad
I'm scared of 17 because I'm a Super Broly main having to deal with my friends playing either Hit,17,Vegito and that one friend that plays like half the roster
no ginyu will save you now.
I been maining him for a year already.. the most fun I’ve had
I keep thinking that glacier arena is official. I keep getting whiplash when I see 17's coat and thinking that's a mod, only to realize the background lol.
0:17 but that’s ONLY if you pre-emptively call assist. That’s basically making an unforseeable read. Unless you know the player really well and you can predict that move based on their playstyle.
You just always call it,you keep your pressure even if the mixup doesn't work. It's a win win
the man's always been a decent mix up machine, it's just non of us understood how he worked.
I like how you choose his' GT drip while testing him out on 4Geta.
Would been only better if u choose GTku as a target practice.
And Lazuli (18) in the team and maybe even Krillin.
For that perfect recreation of that arc.
Ok
Who let the rat in here?
I absolutely love android 17 as a character both in the game and anime. This is why I attempt to get better with him, but sadly continue to fail. One day I’ll get better and be able to do some sick mix-ups and combos just like you!
This is so lore accurate it’s scary, how good he is at the end of it all lol
Personally, he's been my favorite side character in the series. Very great to see him get buffed to Stat since he legit was a huge threat for a while there.
Dude, I played him when he came out, and he was the only character I could competently enter ranked with lmao.
been running him with his sister since day 1 because they have great synergy, im not surprised at all.
he just evolved from z 17 (weaker than imperfect cell) to DBS 17 (beating the sh*t outta ssb goku)
The thing I love about Eva videos is the overflow of information: this is barely a 2min video but it seemed endless cuz it's just very self explanatory
he’s been one of those that i loved but had to respect from a distance bc im not that good with my reflexes. any stance character in any game i love because of the uniqueness like Hit, 17 or Erron Black , etc.
I'm glad 17 is much more popular now, he's always been one of my favorite characters to watch
17 is amazing, people just need to know about it
I've literally loves 17 since his release. When I saw they dropped 18 on release I was counting down the days until he made an appearance
I've been repping the man since he first dropped. Good to see him get the respect he's always deserved in this game
The best part is yelling "martial arts!" Whenever he goes crane stance. Same for gang signs on master roshie's second light attavk animation in his light spam combo
I have been maining 17 since his release. Its crazy that he his considered top tier at this point with the much needed buffs he received
I like how you used Metal Slug music for him. If Shueisha and Neo Geo ever work together to make another Metal Slug, Lapis and Lazuli (Aged up) could make a cameo as extra playable characters!
Always liked the character in the shows and now my boi is getting the attention I love to see
I’m scared every time I see a 17 player. I swear to god it’s like he has a brand new move set every single time. You’ll never get your ankles broken the same way twice.
17 is really cool I’m glad people are starting to realize his potential
Why did it take so long for people to appreciate 17. My guy had to save multiple universes just to get noticed
He's on essentially all of my teams because I main Adult Gohan. His assist is absolutely insane, leads to great block strings and is immense defensively which opens people up because it protects against guard cancel as well. He also absolutely shits out meter with his optimal jS "loops" and does a lot of damage once you get the hang of his rekka's (his technical BnB with two loops of jS in to elbow drop does 5400 before any supers) and has the overall best solo mix in the game once you begin to learn how to utilize his wall bounce cancels to force 50/50's with and without assists.
I love the current patch of the game. There are so many options now that blocking is actually impressive and it seems to encourage more freestyle play rather than support locking your opponent down with math so you can mix.
The android 17 journey from when he got released to now is an amazing one.
He really did come a long way from the mediocre version of himself he used to be way back when.
He's the one character that made me stick with the game since I bought it and Im glad he is getting the recognition he deserved
been playing 17 since he dropped as my point because i just loved his character so much
He’s been this way since season 3. It’s just taken long for people to catch on
He’s my favorite character in the anime. His design is just so cool!
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who stuck with him the whole time....
he's my favorite character from the anime so its good to see that hes doing good here too
My man's 17 getting recognition been playing him for ages in every dragon ball game, now if only piccolo could get as much love.
mid level 17 main here and i love learning new stuff with him he's just so much fun and pretty busted too
I was never super into DBFZ to begin with, but I always knew 17 was gonna be a slept-on superbeast. I'm glad I was wrong about him being slept on now lol
The joy that flowed in my veins when this man got buffed I tell you
I’ve loved 17 since day 1 and never understood why he wasn’t used! - that character rules so hard
i mained him when he was crap. no one can stop me now lol
17 is literally my best character behind 18.
Put some respect on the MVP and REIGNING, DEFENDING, UNDISPUTED, MULTIVERSAL CHAMPION.
Props to Dato for playing this man before he got buffed
Been maining 17 since he came out, I’m so happy it paid off
As someone who has been playing 17 since the start
Please
SHUSH
SHUUUUUUSH DONT LET THEM KNOW
Y'know, I've always liked 17, and when I got the first dlc pass I tried to use him, I understood what he's supposed to be but never seemed to make him work, so in the end I left him only picking him from time to time to try to understand how to play with him, but seeing this, I think I'll just dedicate a lot of time to him and see what comes out
id pick him if he had better drip but he fun asf
He was on my team back when he wasn't good, and he's not leaving anytime soon. My main team is 17, Baby, and Yamcha.
Hes the definition of a slept on character.
As a 17 ever since he came out, i feel so validated rn
I loved 17 back when I was playing fighterZ and now that he's a high tier I might head back to the game
I've looked up on Android 17 ever since MUI was meta, and man was this a great redemption for him. And im happy.
The longer this game stays alive the more biblically accurate it becomes
Except for Frieza. He’s never been good for the entire games life span (at least comparatively).
Remember that time when 17 was considered low tier character along with krillin and baseku in season 1? Me too
17 as anchor, and 16 as point give you some nutty combo routes. 17s A assist will let you extend a 214L into a wallbounce, as an example.
When I played DBFZ, I always thought he was pretty strong and only getting stronger. I only dropped him because at some point one of the changes made the rejump from 5H either impossible or damn near impossible. I could do it with literally every other character except A17. And I couldn't even find the change in the patch notes that made it so difficult all of a sudden.
They made j.m faster, that's what removed rejumps
Dude has been on meta teams in France for a while now. double fusion+17 is crazy, and he adds so much damage to active tag combos it's ludicrous.
people living under a rock????
it's just people coming back from a time he wasn't played often. I watched 17 become meta, but I've taken some hiatus from the game myself at times and the shift in meta can be pretty surprising sometimes.
When I first saw Android 17 on release, I though he was going to be crazy, now he's at the point where I always thought he was.
Ever since the made his Rekkas Air invul this character has been mad good
Sometimes you got to let people figure it out on their own
Truly the character that will mix you right out of your shoes.
17 as a character is solid. But His assist is broken.
this channel is the high level dbfz channel this game needs
“Either protect the earth or become the fertilizer that feeds it.”
I'm ready for Super 17. Character is gonna be INSANE
17 was the first character I played and I'm glad I can say I picked him up before he was meta
"Nobody can beat me when I'm super 17!"
(Flips back hair)
Piccolo, 17 and 16 carry me through matches. 17 mixups are pretty slick.
I gotta say even before the patches 17 was kinda scary especially when they know what they're doing
Also barrier punch is like frame 4. So it’s a pretty good option in the corner. Just raw ut I promise it hits.
You have no idea how many times I’ve caught people with 214L~S~S. It’s like it’s a magnet for mashers
17 just clicked for me one day and now I love him. So clean with it.
Super 17 and ssj4 were some of the best things ever on dbz
Never underestimate your opponent.
Or else you’ll end up like Piccolo from their first fight.
AxeIce walked so the meta could fly
As a 17 fan and main I love the 17 notice
17 is the tournament of power champion for a reason.
Wish I was playing on PC so I could enjoy that coat.
Who wants 17 Assist
*Crowd raises hands*
Who wants to play 17
*crowd puts hands down*
Android 17 was cool to me when he first came out...he's STILL cool to me to this day.
This is hilarious because I've been playing with 17 from the beginning. Lol finally people starting to recognize. Lol
17 was always good and severely underrated imo
0:29 those overheads look good it would be a shame if they were unsafe
seeing as you can continue the block string after them i dont thinks its a big deal if they are.
17 is legit most fearsome character ingame.
Man i hate to sound like that one dude, but i played 17 the second he dropped and i already knew he was a more top tier character. Everybody else was sayin he “OKAY” at best. Now he everywhere, moral of this play who tf you want not cause they seem strong. Even tho some characters take a little more brain power than others
I always enjoyed Android 17 and seeing him buffed and used so much is amazing