The "M" monicker for mobile GPUs needs to come back. There is so much confusion about these parts from people who don't follow up on the technical specs of these products. There are still people that I've heard irl who believe that the mobile 4090 part is the same as the desktop part🤦♂ This is exactly what Nvidia's marketing division wants.
Even the ''m'' moniker wont save it. The 980m was 30% slower than the desktop 980. The 4090 mobile is 50% slower. Nah, we need these things to be named 1 tier down. Like its meant to be. The 4090 needs to be a 4080, 4080 a 4070, etc. Oh wait. People will realize that nvidia's selling them a 4070 for $2500+. And the nvidoa can put desktop gpus in laptops, but wont charge you reasonable prices. Hell they even lowered the max tdp from 200w during turing to now 150w. Dynamic boost means jack shit.
I propose they name the mobile part with the desktop equivalent in performance. For example a 3080 max q 16 GB is on par with a desktop 3060 TI. They should name such a product a 3060 TI laptop and people would have realistic expectations and make more informed purchases. Of course Nvidia will never do that because it will hurt their bottom line.
@@siyzerix I agree. The RTX 4090 mobile is literally a heavily clocked down RTX 4080 . They use the same AD103 die and slightly slower memory. Had they called it a 4080, it would have been technically correct. It is just an excuse to upsell their products. Pascal and Turing had much better parity between mobile and desktop. Pascal especially.
@@ps3guy22 You are the first guy who remembers pascal and turing's parity with desktops. Most people forget they exist for some reason. Also remember the 200w gpu's we've had during turing. You're telling me we can't have higher tdp than 200w now, with much better cooling? Just limit the cpu to 45w. Shove all power to gpu.
Asus doesn't have the best qc or drivers either. I have a Zephyrus and I had to uninstall all their stuff to get it to not crash but now I'm missing some functionality 🤷
@@suyini734 if you mean specific model I have no idea but if you mean companies from my experience Acer, Dell, and HP are pretty consistent. Favorite is definitely Acer as I've had multiple of their machines and they last for decades. Avoid Asus and MSI usually, they seem to be the shadiest.
You don't have to remove the rubber foot to get to the two screws on the bottom. You can see two removable rubber inserts covering the screws. I just got my 4080 version and pulled those inserts out no problem. You also reattached it backwards.
I just bought this laptop and there are some misinformation in this video, that I want to clear up. 1 - you don't need to remove the rubber feet of the laptop to access inside. there are holes punched on that feet if you look closely. you just have to remove the silicon from the holes to access the screws. 2 - battery life is far better than shown here, I was able to get 8 hours of video playback on youtube on silent mode, with brightness set to %70 and audio turned down. 3 - about the wattages, I don't know why it's shown as 105W max here, but the asus armoury crate app shows 150w for the TGP. which nets you around 120w for gpu usually.
There's a couple 3070Ti laptops for sale between $1400-1500 right now in the US. Helios 300 at best buy and legion 5 pro at BH photo. Both will beat a 4060 and pretty much match a 4070 minus frame generation.
Actually it is possible to snatch a G15 RTX 3080 for $1500-1700, both used and new. Problem is - you gotta HUNT them. I've seen plenty of 3070 deals below $1400
Putting screws under the rubber stuff should be illegal. Makes your laptop unusable if you need to even just investigate a problem and means you need to order hyper specific replacement rubber parts that are probably not available anymore when something goes wrong :/
He made an oopsie this time, if you freeze the video before he remove the huge rubber foot you will see two round caps for the screws, no need to remove the rubber. ;)
@@alphastratus6623 Because they reattached the entire foot upside down. I just got my 4080 version and it's the other way around. Easy to remove the rubber inserts and the screws are right beneath them. They were the first thing I noticed when I looked underneath and was able to pry them out with my fingernail.
The issue is Nvidia raised the prices while adding a new GPU tier (XX90) to the laptop GPU hierarchy. In the process of doing so, they neutered the lower-tier cards as a result by making the expensive 4080/4090 be the only worthwhile upgrade. Laptops with the 4060/4070 are priced more affordably, but it doesn't mean much when they are struggling to beat a $1400 3070Ti laptop in the US.
Yes they totally ruined lower tiers by shifting chips. They moved 4070 to (already very small) desktop 4060 die. It doesnt make sense to compare same prices of 3070 vs 4070, if its next gen yet almost same performance. 3070 owner must look at 4080.
Don't buy 4070 and 4060 as these cards are renamed for the price premium . They are actually 4060 and 3050ti respectively. That's why 3070ti beats 4070 in games.
Too bad it's SSD configuration makes it unusable for my setup (I need dual drives, and it cannot take more than 2 2 TB SSDs because they are stacked on each other). And the Blade 18 forgoes the size and screen of the Blade 16...
FOr some reason I much prefer the look of the m16 this year, despite usually being a big razer fan. The new thicker chassis they went with really puts me off. I'm really curious how you think the 4080 version of this laptop will do, since it seems to have the same max TGP as the 4090 model. I'm hoping the 4080 versions of the rog and the razer will be closer to each other than the 4090 version, since there wont be as much of a need for the higher power and cooling. But no one seems to have benched the m16 4080 yet..
Yes I would and do use an ethernet port on my laptop. If you have gigabit fiber it makes a huge difference even over Wi-Fi 6E. It’s essential for large file transfers on a local network as well.
My 2022 G15's turbo mode is like having a drone flying in my room and that's why I never use turbo mode even though it might give me a few extra fps. You buy a laptop because you want to take your power house ish machine with you. For that alone, I am still very happy with my purchase.
@06:11 Yes, I heavily use the rj45 Lan port to connect to different devices even though wifi adapters have become stronger it doesn't justify removal of the lan port. For example. I transfer games to ps4 or movies to other lan connected media storage devices on lan network. It helps alot if you connect to older technology. Whole lot of other systems use the lan port for accessibility.
Oh boy, plenty of things still use microSD. Dash cams, drones, action cams are just a few things I can think of from the top of my head. I am in fact very happy about manufacturers including a microSD card reader, because it's a non-trivial task to get a multi-function dongle that also includes a high quality microSD card reader.
I understand why you would think "nobody uses it" though. People who work in a studio environment like you guys typically don't use equipment with stringent size constraints (which is the primary reason for using microSD).
I always find these comment ridiculously seeing ram means so little anyways. It’s a stacked laptop with fast ram. 4800mhz/5600..whatever Makes very little difference
My problem is price and the lack or previous features aka no thumb print, and lack of outstanding ports like last year. I love having all my io ports. I'm a video and photo editor. And having every port available while I'm on the go is super important to me.
@Īncognīto I use davinci resolve. So strong gpu is important to me. To actually answer your question I edit in 1080p then final render in 4k. But either way the more gpu the better.
@@puertadlm163 If I go with Lenovo legion 7i - i7 12800HX 16C 24T RTX 3070ti 8GB GDDR6 TGP 150W, would it be a powerful workstation laptop that can handle demanding motion graphics, 3D works and 4K video editing?
The pricing is somehow even more ridiculous in Europe. On every single website in Belgium the 4080 version costs €3800 ($4100) and the 4090 version costs €4500 ($4900)...
Is anyone really surprised about Raptor Lake battery life? They changed essentially nothing except for higher clocks; why would anything realistically change
Also as a side note, I'm fine with the price increase for the base model since it's offering a 4070 versus a 3060, 240hz vs 165hz (which is debatably useful) and double the storage for $300 more; it's a higher tier and offers 3080-ish performance. But I think the main problem may be how cheap 30-series laptops are getting, especially with how high-power 3070Ti implementations seem to be pretty close to the 4070 without frame generation, and 3080 laptops can be found for under $2000.
Always love your reviews. WiFi gaming's latency is just awful, both on average latency and especially peak latency on every routers that I've played with. Most routers companies don't focus on WiFi latency for gaming. I have a Zephyrus G14 (AMD version) with WiFi 6E, and paired with a NightHawk WiFi6, and I still experience latency issues every time I play online FPS games via WiFi. I did come across a lower cost Predator router on Amazon that works really well on WiFi gaming. I bought them for their avg 2ms latency claim to test (I assume it's probably under lab/clean environment setting). I got very similar latency as RJ45, so much so, I couldn't tell the differences between WiFi gaming vs hardwired for online gaming. I think Asus is in the forefront in choosing what feature to trade off. I think it also take new WiFi router OEMs to push the envelope to make RJ45 a thing of the past. I think as long as new router OEMs like Acer Predator pushes the market with better WiFi latency, combined with companies like Asus that fast forward the trade off, I think the day without RJ45 is coming. I'm super happy with my Zephyrus G14 with my Predator W6 gaming router.
I'll always take the reliability of a wired connection. I'm not sure cheaping out on wifi cards is a valid excuse when after market ones are pretty cheap
@@ACE112ACE112 not saying whether Asus cheaped out, but they did choose not to design in an Ethernet port on my G14. Just saying that I finally found a router that actually gave me low latency WiFi. I've also saw NetGear with their WiFi 7 router at$700, which is about 2x what I've paid for on the Predator W6 router. Like you, I prefer hard wired, but Acer is opening up my mind to the potential of WiFi gaming.
7:41 that's a big fat no-no from me. This isn't some grimy old low maintenance Celeron laptop from 2012, this is a super high end gaming/creator laptop with which the user can afford to add/replace SSDs. Hiding bottom panel screws in the rubber feet is terrible design. And once again Eber, who in the "real world" uses the CPU for Blender?!
For that last point: people that are trying to do something that doesn’t fit in VRAM (although with 16gb on the 4090, that’s not to likely) or using one of the functions that are CPU only (if it still has any?)
@@levygaming3133 what CPU-specific function would you look for in Blender that makes you ignore the GPU for the entire lifetime of this type of laptop? Off screen physics calculations??? Seriously, I think Hardware Canucks are the only channel that benchmark CPUs in 3D rendering apps and calls that "real world" (rather than stating that CPUs are merely being compared).
I think if someone wants the performance to price in the 16" the Lenovo 4080 is better at $2500. If priority is size/portability , you are probably looking a 14" anyway. This price puts this laptop in nothankyou land.
I love the animatrix display, but it's just better to get a 2022 g14 at this point. I'm lucky since my company will buy my laptop, but I'm in Japan so these new ones aren't out yet. But, I think that's fine. I decided to get a 2022 lenovo 570 pro, the one with an amd 6000 series chip and a 3060 card. I think these new laptops are just getting hamstrung by nvidia. Maybe AMD will release laptops with better results.
I agree. I picked up a 2002 6700s G14 in perfect shape for $830 a few weeks ago, and it's been fantastic. I immediately upgraded the RAM and SSD to 40GB and 2TB, both purchased on sale, and for around $1,000 this is a killer combination of portable and powerful. So far, it's run everything I've thrown at it, but for anything that requires more, I'd go to a desktop anyway.
Its insane how expensive laptops can get compared to desktops, and on top of that, I really dislike the fact that Nvidia is naming these GPUs the same names as their desktop line up however, the actual parts are significantly weaker, in my opinion they should re-name the mobile varients to something else entirely, for example RTX M490 or something like that so its a clear distinction from their desktop variants.
About RJ45 - we had laptops and ethernet cables wired through each desk. Not one single person bothered to plug it in - we just asked for WiFi routers. Same thing with my home usage - I have a cable going to my desk from old PC days - never bothered to plug it even when I had WiFi problems. Concerning the laptop. 2k+ for a meh? 4080 laptop is STEEP. But I've learned to value and enjoy good screens after I used AMOLED tablets and phones. People often forget that majority of their user-laptop interaction goes via eyesight.
Well, with a Gaming laptop a RJ45 port doesn't seem to be that necessary at first. But if you have to do serious work and you need a steady network connection in office or where else, then I would bloody obviously take a RJ45 any day! Reliability is key!
Decent honest review, but I have a Asus rog m16 i9 12900h 3080ti 16gb ddr5 2tb ,2022 model I picked up for 2300.00 was 1100.00 off msrp. And I couldn't be more happy with the price to product. But I would not have paid more than 2500.00 for same thing. As I have been toting about having the best screen ever put on a laptop, now I have the second best next to the new Asus zephyrus, lol. Whatever, as time goes by so does the quality of products, as the next best thing is just around the corner. I would have liked to see you put the specs of a 3080ti against the new 4090. And as it stands right now my 3080ti is better than the new 4070.
Brilliant reviewer. Same issue with the Legion 7i 2023 with RTX4080, It scored 18-19k in Time Spy and 115fps in the Cyberpunk 2077 benchmark with DLSS on, Ultra settings, and ray tracing on. Gosh that's better than some RTX3080ti and RTX3090 desktop configurations from last year!
Just to give you some comparison at 3:08. For the same price of USD 2699, you'll can get a Macbook Pro 16 inch M2 Edition with 16 GB RAM + 1 TB SSD and 20 Core GPU. Pricing here is very fair when you compare.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 4080 variant has 16GB DDR, and 1TB SSD, and the 4090 has the 32GB DDR and 2TB SSD. Your review stated that both 4080 and 4090 both have the same DDR and SSD. Otherwise, at $2,699 for the 4080 is a great deal that I have not seen anywhere...
I don't think you need to remove the whole rubber feet to get access to those 2 screw drivers. There are two caps in the rubber feet. But from what's shown in the video the whole rubber feet seems to be up side down so those caps are not covering the screws and you have to remove the whole rubber feet.
See that battery life makes me more upset that the g16 went intel as it was a cheaper better battery version of the m16, now it likely won't have great battery life. I hope I am wrong on this, but it is quite the bummer.
You named the main reason why I'm likely going to skip this generation of laptops: The lack of AMD Ryzen 7045 CPUs & Nvidia RTX 4000 GPUs in a 16/18 inch 16 : 10 chassis.
@Alfredo Araujo And that's why I'm likely skipping this generation. It's a painful thing, especially considering the RX 6700M in my laptop takes over two hours to render a 1 hour 1080p 60 fps video. Gaming isn't really too bad, but I mean, I'm now stuck between a rock and a hard place, as I need good battery life, but also good performance, and I cannot use MacBooks for many reasons, including the OS, anti right to repair, and forced design decisions with high prices. I may just limp along with my current setup...
Raptor lake worst efficiency than alderlake. 4 hour in many laptops less than 1 hour in cpu intensive tasks with 1/3rd performance, un usable battery life. If in any case you travel, you have to search for outlet to run this device while travelling ,can't be used in train. Now Intel laptops are mobile Desktops that only works when plugged in.16 core AMD 7945HX beats Intel 24 core i9 13950HX in multi-core, At 80W AMD cpu is 20% faster. AMD and Nvidia both are using tsmc 4nm,apple 3nm. While Intel 10+++.
Wait, I'm confused. Your game tests only show 120W but this laptop goes up to 145W in boost and 150W in manual mode... why wasn't at least the boost factored into the test?
I agree that a full size sd card is much more helpful for content creation, but I can also appreciate a micro sd card slot, it's cheap way to add extra storage to your laptop and you can just leave the card in they don't stick out that much.
Man writes a review and doesn’t know how to disassemble the laptop. The “big rubber foot” doesn’t need to be removed there are small covers. Otherwise solid review. Got mine on sale
> $2000+ laptop > No fingerprint sensor > Only $2700+ model gets miniLED Another hard pass from me on yet another Windows laptop. They just DON'T get it, do they? With the feature segmentation and the lack of critical features.
got the 16" Asus Scar on order, still has mini led, 1100 nits, 240hz, 32gb ram, rtx4080.getting it custom carbon fiber wrap, mostly using it for work but wanted to have some gaming when away from home, I really don't like laptops for gaming but wanted something when away.
What I find to be most troubling with the M16 is that it exhausts hot air into the screen, which is likely to damage it sooner or later, espcially if you're an everyday gamer. I was disappointed to find out that ASUS have not ratified this oversight in the 2023 edition.
In the reviews and comments people 'wondering' this for three years now and 3 years later there hasn't been any reported issues. If there was a new type of heat sensitive panel introduced to market I suspect then you could wonder then but honestly if reviews actually used the product or did some research they wouldnt mention it again.
You don't need to remove the entire silicon foot, just the caps above the screws. I did it last night and it was super easy and my foot is still in place.
thanks for the review. I have been eyeing m16 for a while now. Seriously considering it due to the mini-LED Display. I have M1 Pro 14" and it makes a world of a difference having a good display. I was wondering, if you would be able to include Microsoft Flight Simulator in your benchmarks? It's quite CPU AND GPU heavy. Would be interesting to see how these laptops handle it.
wait for AMD version for the CPUm they're generally faster than Intel this gen. They also have true 18 cores rather than Intel's hybrid. You can get more info about this by googling AMD 7945hx benchmarks
the 2022 m16 gaming benchmarks are done in performance mode (90w) instead of turbo (120w) so theyre not really comparable since you didnt want to test that laptop at its full potential
is it a 13900H or 13900HX? Switches up during Real-World Benchmarks segment. EDIT: Looking at the benchmarks the performance deficit in triple A gaming away from the 150w GPU isn't actually that significant, and at 1080p it looks as if the 4090 runs low enoug power/is significantly "bottlenecked" enough by the i9 that the i9 instead gets to run more power. Then in the later tests it becomes more obvious that by not better specifying the power allotment to the CPU in gaming benchmarks it APPEARS as if the lower TGP is at fault but when comparing against typically gpu bound games like Jedi Fallen Order it becomes clear it's the GPU now using more power & the CPU getting less power that's causing at times significantly worse 1% frametimes and average FPS in more CPU bound games like CS:GO. The 4K results for CS:GO then help this go full circle where the CPU clearly doesn't have as much to do anymore and the margins for performance are more reflective of the TGP differences. But even then it's not so bad. I'd wager this laptop with a custom V/F curve could easily take advantage of TSMC's efficiency and close the gap to the stock titan in balanced mode/150w TGP max. Of course the titan can pull even further ahead but given the much more portable nature of the M16 I think that's fine. I really hope going further you focus on a given gaming laptop's maximum crossload(GPU+CPU power draw in the modes your testing) to show in better detail which particular part is causing performance deficiencies as we compare against DTR class laptops like the titan.
the test isn't accuarate as he should've enabled dynamic boost to get the 4090 to 145 watts and then compare it to the rtx 4090 at 175 watts, from the titan.
With great processing power there must also come with great power capacity. Efficiency is the name of the game and unfortunately.... these Intel chips need a lot of juice.
ARM type processors should be used to improve battery life in laptops. Imagine Apple's M series processors and Nvidia graphics cards in the same device. You can have perfect battery life whenever you want, you can access perfect power whenever you want. this is what I dream of seeing in the future.
Apple also has the benefit of vertical integration. The control everything in their laptop right from the BIOS to the kernel to the OS. That’s why they get some amazing battery life results in not only their laptops but also their phones and tablets compared to the competitors
I purchased the 2022 model (i9 3070 ti) on sale for $1500 from Best Buy when this years models were announced. Yes I use the RJ45 port even though I have wifi 6E routers and a 6E card installed. Loving it so far!
Did the same at a little bit lower price, but honestly $3k to $5k is silly. You could build a desktop and have a last Gen laptop for that. Or buy 2 friends laptops too!!
I got a 2023 ASUS ROG M16 with the i9-13900h and a 4070. 16gb DDR5. $1949.00. I love it absolute unit. Upgradable RAM to 64gb. I’ll probably just go with 32gb. But I’m having a blast with it. I’m replaying HZD and I’m running it on Ultra and getting 86-120fps between performance and turbo settings. Good enough for me. Playing older games I’m getting very high Frame Rates of 200+. I don’t need anything over 60-120. Doom Eternal on High settings with Ray Tracing I’m getting 160-200fps. I’m happy. All at 2560x1440. 🤷🏻
Not even going to consider this "laptop" with such miserable battery. What a joke lol. Waiting for the AMD products later in the year, I don't mind sacrificing some performance for much better battery
After rewatching, given that e cores seem to help very little with power consumption, nvidia is as power hungry as always been, and that I reside in a country where 5 hour blackouts are, though not the norm, more frecuent than desired, the low battery autonomy of an Intel-Nvidia combo is making highly probable for me to remain a ryzen User.
And yet my 2 year old G15 w/ the AMD 5900HS/3070 Best Buy SKU continues to age like fine wine with it's 13 hours of battery life... Can't fathom any reason to upgrade with this latest round of Intel powered Asus SKU's.
Sorry, but the benchmark results are kind of useless. Why do you show different balancing modes of a laptop? Just show the highest performance possible for each. Why is the Razer Blade 16 shown only in balance mode, yet others in different modes? 🤷🏻 Otherwise a great review!
I'm rocking the 2021 model of M16 with 3060. Battery life is great, it has a fingerprint scanner and it runs almost all games on high details without skipping a bit. Oh, and it cost me 1500 usd brand new. But it doesn't have fancy light on the lid and a 40XX Nvidia sticker.....😭
In the spec list, you showed i9 13900H CPU but in a benchmarks, you wrote i9 13900HX. So I’m just wondering is it a H or HX CPU? If actually M16 comes with only H CPU and beats Razer’s HX, it’d be super cool.
I've had so many problems with Asus Zephyrus (both the G and the M series). Sudden lost of keyboard, fan controller goes crazy blasting 100% speed at idle, screen adhesive gave up at the bottom, etc. etc.
Yeah this was my concern when I saw the first M16 a couple years ago. The air blowing onto the bottom of the screen... that just cannot be good for longevity
Good review but why do you only run the Titan and the Blade in their balanced profile and not their maxed out profile like you do with the M16? doesn't seem terribly fair
Harrods tech compared 4090 on titan gt77 to desktop which is unfair people think only 50% SLOWER THAN DESKTOP, but in reality it may be 60-70% even though it's 150W laptop and also compared against 3080ti laptop which isn't as thick as former. Biased comparison.
it would be great if you can test about the battery life on iGPU mode with supported laptops. It's should ve common for people to switch to igpu mode if they are at risk of running out the battery
2:15 To be fair - that 0.10 difference is absolutely negligible. But I have to ask - why would You need 800 nits of brightness? Don't You want your eyes to function properly?
I’d assume they’re all sourcing that panel from the same supplier, and that the differences are negligible. That said, I haven’t even seen any of them firsthand, let alone tested them or anything, so idk. Just a guess.
After a year of owning this, I feel ambivalent about the Turbo noise level. Next time I get a maxed out gaming laptop, it will be something like a 18". But it's not a bad laptop all in all. I use ANC headset when gaming, so that solves most of the noise. And for casual use, Silent is a decent mode.
I really hope you can help. I have some knowledge on hardware, but I bought this model a few weeks ago : [TOUCHSCREEN] Asus ROG Flow X16 AMD Ryzen 7-6800HS up to 4.7GHz Processor, 20MB Cache, 8x Cores, 16x Threads / 64GB DDR5 RAM / 1TB Ultra-Fast NVMe SSD / 16" QHD+ (2560 x 1600, WQXGA) 165Hz IPS Level Touch screen Display / NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 6GB GDDR6 Dedicated Graphics / Windows 11 Home (64bit) / USB 720P HD Web Camera / Intel Wi-Fi 6 Gigabit Wireless LAN / Bluetooth 5.2 / 2 x USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-A / 1x ROG XG Mobile Interface Port / 2x Type C USB 3.2 Gen 2 with Power Delivery and Display Port / 1 x HDMI 2.0b / 1 x Headphone and Microphone Audio Combo Jack / RGB Backlit Chiclet Keyboard / 2x 1W speaker with smart AMP Now previously I had a Asus Zenbook Flip 15. I looked on TH-cam before buying and everywhere they said it was a mini-LED (which to me means very good screen quality - and is this actually a mini LED for the model I bought), but when I got it, I must be honest I did not see the quality everyone was raving about (I still think my Zenbook had a better screen) or am I not understanding the tch the right way. Unfortunately the Flow was stolen from my car two days ago and I am again looking to buy, but this time I want to make sure Im getting real quality. Kind regards. Chris
The differences in laptop prices between Europe and the US is so rediculous. The base model here costs 3799,- euro (4121,67$). That is more than double....
I'm not sure why in your charts you are using the Razer 4080 in BALANCED mode for comparison. It was kinda confusing and can be a bit misleading if someone was not paying attention. Why not use the blade 4080 in turbo?
What is the name of the song during the benchmark at 12:40 please. Shazam does not find it, different answer everytime. Hardware Canucks would you please list your source?
I went to the mall earlier today in hopes of getting the Zephyrus G14. I wasn't sure if I wanted the 2022 version or wait for the 2023 version which comes with a 4000s series Nvidia GPU. But when I was there, the sales agent showed me the 2023 M16, and I was REALLY impressed by it. I almost bought it but I figured I should sleep on it and read more reviews about it... and now seeing your Battery Life performance, and also 4000 series overheating/fan nosie issue... I am not too sure. I was looking at the 4080 variant, not the 4090. Do you think the battery issue + overheating/fan noise unique to the 4090 variant? Or the 4080 likely suffers from the same issue?
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The "M" monicker for mobile GPUs needs to come back. There is so much confusion about these parts from people who don't follow up on the technical specs of these products. There are still people that I've heard irl who believe that the mobile 4090 part is the same as the desktop part🤦♂
This is exactly what Nvidia's marketing division wants.
Even the ''m'' moniker wont save it.
The 980m was 30% slower than the desktop 980. The 4090 mobile is 50% slower.
Nah, we need these things to be named 1 tier down. Like its meant to be. The 4090 needs to be a 4080, 4080 a 4070, etc.
Oh wait. People will realize that nvidia's selling them a 4070 for $2500+. And the nvidoa can put desktop gpus in laptops, but wont charge you reasonable prices. Hell they even lowered the max tdp from 200w during turing to now 150w. Dynamic boost means jack shit.
I propose they name the mobile part with the desktop equivalent in performance. For example a 3080 max q 16 GB is on par with a desktop 3060 TI. They should name such a product a 3060 TI laptop and people would have realistic expectations and make more informed purchases. Of course Nvidia will never do that because it will hurt their bottom line.
@@siyzerix I agree. The RTX 4090 mobile is literally a heavily clocked down RTX 4080 . They use the same AD103 die and slightly slower memory. Had they called it a 4080, it would have been technically correct. It is just an excuse to upsell their products. Pascal and Turing had much better parity between mobile and desktop. Pascal especially.
@@ps3guy22 You are the first guy who remembers pascal and turing's parity with desktops. Most people forget they exist for some reason.
Also remember the 200w gpu's we've had during turing. You're telling me we can't have higher tdp than 200w now, with much better cooling? Just limit the cpu to 45w. Shove all power to gpu.
@@siyzerix what’s funny is if you went one tier down, it would match the desktop variants.
the problem is the price; nothing else.
Asus doesn't have the best qc or drivers either. I have a Zephyrus and I had to uninstall all their stuff to get it to not crash but now I'm missing some functionality 🤷
The price and the fact that it's nowhere near comparable to a desktop 4090
The price and the garbage battery life.
@@andrewpaschall8992 what laptop has the best drivers?
@@suyini734 if you mean specific model I have no idea but if you mean companies from my experience Acer, Dell, and HP are pretty consistent. Favorite is definitely Acer as I've had multiple of their machines and they last for decades. Avoid Asus and MSI usually, they seem to be the shadiest.
You don't have to remove the rubber foot to get to the two screws on the bottom. You can see two removable rubber inserts covering the screws. I just got my 4080 version and pulled those inserts out no problem.
You also reattached it backwards.
This.
Things like this make me doubtful of the entire review.. is not the first time they pull off something like this.
Lol, makes me feel icky when he remove that. I didnt even consider it
I just bought this laptop and there are some misinformation in this video, that I want to clear up.
1 - you don't need to remove the rubber feet of the laptop to access inside. there are holes punched on that feet if you look closely. you just have to remove the silicon from the holes to access the screws.
2 - battery life is far better than shown here, I was able to get 8 hours of video playback on youtube on silent mode, with brightness set to %70 and audio turned down.
3 - about the wattages, I don't know why it's shown as 105W max here, but the asus armoury crate app shows 150w for the TGP. which nets you around 120w for gpu usually.
are you doing anything else to extend the battery life, my one lasts 1-2 hours on silent mode.
@@reign117-rrh9turn on Optimus
The hopes of finding a gaming laptop for $1500ish (4060/4070) are starting to dwindle. But hey, on sale, last years M16 is still a beast.
Get that best buy open box excellent m16. Can beat that price, performance, and build quality.
There's a couple 3070Ti laptops for sale between $1400-1500 right now in the US. Helios 300 at best buy and legion 5 pro at BH photo.
Both will beat a 4060 and pretty much match a 4070 minus frame generation.
The g16 is less than 1500 for the 4060 version
Actually it is possible to snatch a G15 RTX 3080 for $1500-1700, both used and new. Problem is - you gotta HUNT them.
I've seen plenty of 3070 deals below $1400
@@UsnRoberts I Have been keeping eyes on Best Buy. Some crazy open-box deals with new/excellent quality. Just need the right config to pop-up.
Putting screws under the rubber stuff should be illegal. Makes your laptop unusable if you need to even just investigate a problem and means you need to order hyper specific replacement rubber parts that are probably not available anymore when something goes wrong :/
He made an oopsie this time, if you freeze the video before he remove the huge rubber foot you will see two round caps for the screws, no need to remove the rubber. ;)
Heat softens the adhesive, isopropyl dissolves it. You don't need to destroy them to get them off
@@greebj Yea, but bringt them one later will be a big mess. It's just unnecessary work without any benefit except the producer. It's not acceptable.
@@fmikowski Except these caps are on the top side of the area of the rubber, the screws are on the bottom side.
@@alphastratus6623 Because they reattached the entire foot upside down. I just got my 4080 version and it's the other way around. Easy to remove the rubber inserts and the screws are right beneath them. They were the first thing I noticed when I looked underneath and was able to pry them out with my fingernail.
The issue is Nvidia raised the prices while adding a new GPU tier (XX90) to the laptop GPU hierarchy.
In the process of doing so, they neutered the lower-tier cards as a result by making the expensive 4080/4090 be the only worthwhile upgrade.
Laptops with the 4060/4070 are priced more affordably, but it doesn't mean much when they are struggling to beat a $1400 3070Ti laptop in the US.
Exactly this.
You said it all 😅 unless you need the new gen cpu performance boost in productivity, you re better off buying last gen laptops
facts
Yes they totally ruined lower tiers by shifting chips. They moved 4070 to (already very small) desktop 4060 die.
It doesnt make sense to compare same prices of 3070 vs 4070, if its next gen yet almost same performance. 3070 owner must look at 4080.
Don't buy 4070 and 4060 as these cards are renamed for the price premium . They are actually 4060 and 3050ti respectively. That's why 3070ti beats 4070 in games.
7:44 Dude, you could've just removed the two rubber things on that long one, not the entire thing lmao
I'd like to see the battery life comparison of the Zephyrus M16 with the i9 to the Zephyrus G14 with the AMD Ryzen 9 7940HS.
I have the g14 with 4060, the battery life isn't very good
@@RaghavSureshput it on 60hz, eco mode, lower the brightness as much as u can, that's how u get the good battery life in any gaming laptop
@@auyguay762 i have a 2050 laptop with a i5 11400h i disabled the discrete graphics 25% brightness and 60hz and got 1 hour and 30 minutes its bad
@@saeedaIm Intel laptop suck in battery life.. ryzen processors r much more efficient
It's crazy to me how cool and quiet the Blade is. In it's maxed out mode it's QUIETER than this M16 in it's balanced mode.
Wow
Too bad it's SSD configuration makes it unusable for my setup (I need dual drives, and it cannot take more than 2 2 TB SSDs because they are stacked on each other).
And the Blade 18 forgoes the size and screen of the Blade 16...
I'll stick to my Asus, it's cheaper than the blade and better quality, use headphones if you dont like the sound of a fan.
Aaaaanddddd….. price differences
Same Performance?
FOr some reason I much prefer the look of the m16 this year, despite usually being a big razer fan. The new thicker chassis they went with really puts me off.
I'm really curious how you think the 4080 version of this laptop will do, since it seems to have the same max TGP as the 4090 model.
I'm hoping the 4080 versions of the rog and the razer will be closer to each other than the 4090 version, since there wont be as much of a need for the higher power and cooling.
But no one seems to have benched the m16 4080 yet..
Yes I would and do use an ethernet port on my laptop. If you have gigabit fiber it makes a huge difference even over Wi-Fi 6E. It’s essential for large file transfers on a local network as well.
Buy a hub station with ethernet port and put it on the usb-c …
12:39 I watched the benchmark section three times just for that AWESOME soundtrack ❤
Asus topped up with the M16 and really got my heart like even if I get hands on a 2022 model I won't be sad.
My 2022 G15's turbo mode is like having a drone flying in my room and that's why I never use turbo mode even though it might give me a few extra fps. You buy a laptop because you want to take your power house ish machine with you. For that alone, I am still very happy with my purchase.
@06:11
Yes, I heavily use the rj45 Lan port to connect to different devices even though wifi adapters have become stronger it doesn't justify removal of the lan port. For example. I transfer games to ps4 or movies to other lan connected media storage devices on lan network. It helps alot if you connect to older technology. Whole lot of other systems use the lan port for accessibility.
Oh boy, plenty of things still use microSD. Dash cams, drones, action cams are just a few things I can think of from the top of my head.
I am in fact very happy about manufacturers including a microSD card reader, because it's a non-trivial task to get a multi-function dongle that also includes a high quality microSD card reader.
I understand why you would think "nobody uses it" though. People who work in a studio environment like you guys typically don't use equipment with stringent size constraints (which is the primary reason for using microSD).
For the rubber feet, you do not need to pull it out entirely. There are hole for the screws.
I can finally even consider these as an option since they no longer are soldering the RAM on the 15" and higher models. Thanks for reviewing.
I always find these comment ridiculously seeing ram means so little anyways.
It’s a stacked laptop with fast ram. 4800mhz/5600..whatever
Makes very little difference
@@comfortottawa come play some modded city skylines and you will be begging for 128GBs of ram on your laptop
@@comfortottawa Memory speed makes a huge difference in something like Spiderman w/ray tracing
Wait, y'all are buying laptops?
@@comfortottawa for virtual reality hi res and fps ram is crucial
Isn’t the 2023 M16 supposed to be running the 4090 at 150W like it says on their website? Why is it only on 120W?
My problem is price and the lack or previous features aka no thumb print, and lack of outstanding ports like last year. I love having all my io ports. I'm a video and photo editor. And having every port available while I'm on the go is super important to me.
Are you a normal video editor or editing heavy 4k videos or above with motion graphics and stuff?
@Īncognīto I use davinci resolve. So strong gpu is important to me. To actually answer your question I edit in 1080p then final render in 4k. But either way the more gpu the better.
@@puertadlm163 what machine are you using currently?
@Īncognīto currently using a mix of desktop with a threadripper and a 3090. Then a laptop for some photo editing.
@@puertadlm163 If I go with Lenovo legion 7i - i7 12800HX 16C 24T RTX 3070ti 8GB GDDR6 TGP 150W, would it be a powerful workstation laptop that can handle demanding motion graphics, 3D works and 4K video editing?
The pricing is somehow even more ridiculous in Europe. On every single website in Belgium the 4080 version costs €3800 ($4100) and the 4090 version costs €4500 ($4900)...
Same here in Germany. Grabbed last years top spec model with 12900H and 3080 Ti for 1900 EUR instead.
Is anyone really surprised about Raptor Lake battery life? They changed essentially nothing except for higher clocks; why would anything realistically change
Also as a side note, I'm fine with the price increase for the base model since it's offering a 4070 versus a 3060, 240hz vs 165hz (which is debatably useful) and double the storage for $300 more; it's a higher tier and offers 3080-ish performance. But I think the main problem may be how cheap 30-series laptops are getting, especially with how high-power 3070Ti implementations seem to be pretty close to the 4070 without frame generation, and 3080 laptops can be found for under $2000.
Always love your reviews. WiFi gaming's latency is just awful, both on average latency and especially peak latency on every routers that I've played with. Most routers companies don't focus on WiFi latency for gaming. I have a Zephyrus G14 (AMD version) with WiFi 6E, and paired with a NightHawk WiFi6, and I still experience latency issues every time I play online FPS games via WiFi. I did come across a lower cost Predator router on Amazon that works really well on WiFi gaming. I bought them for their avg 2ms latency claim to test (I assume it's probably under lab/clean environment setting). I got very similar latency as RJ45, so much so, I couldn't tell the differences between WiFi gaming vs hardwired for online gaming. I think Asus is in the forefront in choosing what feature to trade off. I think it also take new WiFi router OEMs to push the envelope to make RJ45 a thing of the past. I think as long as new router OEMs like Acer Predator pushes the market with better WiFi latency, combined with companies like Asus that fast forward the trade off, I think the day without RJ45 is coming. I'm super happy with my Zephyrus G14 with my Predator W6 gaming router.
I'll always take the reliability of a wired connection. I'm not sure cheaping out on wifi cards is a valid excuse when after market ones are pretty cheap
@@ACE112ACE112 not saying whether Asus cheaped out, but they did choose not to design in an Ethernet port on my G14. Just saying that I finally found a router that actually gave me low latency WiFi. I've also saw NetGear with their WiFi 7 router at$700, which is about 2x what I've paid for on the Predator W6 router. Like you, I prefer hard wired, but Acer is opening up my mind to the potential of WiFi gaming.
7:41 that's a big fat no-no from me. This isn't some grimy old low maintenance Celeron laptop from 2012, this is a super high end gaming/creator laptop with which the user can afford to add/replace SSDs. Hiding bottom panel screws in the rubber feet is terrible design.
And once again Eber, who in the "real world" uses the CPU for Blender?!
For that last point: people that are trying to do something that doesn’t fit in VRAM (although with 16gb on the 4090, that’s not to likely) or using one of the functions that are CPU only (if it still has any?)
@@levygaming3133 what CPU-specific function would you look for in Blender that makes you ignore the GPU for the entire lifetime of this type of laptop? Off screen physics calculations???
Seriously, I think Hardware Canucks are the only channel that benchmark CPUs in 3D rendering apps and calls that "real world" (rather than stating that CPUs are merely being compared).
I think if someone wants the performance to price in the 16" the Lenovo 4080 is better at $2500. If priority is size/portability , you are probably looking a 14" anyway. This price puts this laptop in nothankyou land.
The 4090 model is nearly the same price as the Blade 16 where I live whilst being signficantly worse in pretty much all aspects.
Razer wins.
I love the animatrix display, but it's just better to get a 2022 g14 at this point.
I'm lucky since my company will buy my laptop, but I'm in Japan so these new ones aren't out yet. But, I think that's fine. I decided to get a 2022 lenovo 570 pro, the one with an amd 6000 series chip and a 3060 card.
I think these new laptops are just getting hamstrung by nvidia. Maybe AMD will release laptops with better results.
I agree. I picked up a 2002 6700s G14 in perfect shape for $830 a few weeks ago, and it's been fantastic. I immediately upgraded the RAM and SSD to 40GB and 2TB, both purchased on sale, and for around $1,000 this is a killer combination of portable and powerful. So far, it's run everything I've thrown at it, but for anything that requires more, I'd go to a desktop anyway.
Its insane how expensive laptops can get compared to desktops, and on top of that, I really dislike the fact that Nvidia is naming these GPUs the same names as their desktop line up however, the actual parts are significantly weaker, in my opinion they should re-name the mobile varients to something else entirely, for example RTX M490 or something like that so its a clear distinction from their desktop variants.
The m16 4090 is supposed to run at 150w according to asus‘ website. Did they avertise this incorrectly ?
About RJ45 - we had laptops and ethernet cables wired through each desk. Not one single person bothered to plug it in - we just asked for WiFi routers. Same thing with my home usage - I have a cable going to my desk from old PC days - never bothered to plug it even when I had WiFi problems.
Concerning the laptop. 2k+ for a meh? 4080 laptop is STEEP. But I've learned to value and enjoy good screens after I used AMOLED tablets and phones. People often forget that majority of their user-laptop interaction goes via eyesight.
Honest question ; when comparing the blade it is only shown balanced mode, not turbo. Why?
Waiting for AMD CPU + Nvidia GPU laptop reviews
I think the base model price is justified, you get better CPU and GPU tiers i9 vs i7 and xx70 vs xx60, also double the storage
I agree. Specially when looking at other 4070 laptop prices. This one is on the lower side.
Now all they are missing is a full size keyboard, as a blender/3ds max/gamer I love the numpad very much
Well, with a Gaming laptop a RJ45 port doesn't seem to be that necessary at first.
But if you have to do serious work and you need a steady network connection in office or where else, then I would bloody obviously take a RJ45 any day! Reliability is key!
Usb rj45 is solution ;)
Decent honest review, but I have a Asus rog m16 i9 12900h 3080ti 16gb ddr5 2tb ,2022 model I picked up for 2300.00 was 1100.00 off msrp. And I couldn't be more happy with the price to product. But I would not have paid more than 2500.00 for same thing. As I have been toting about having the best screen ever put on a laptop, now I have the second best next to the new Asus zephyrus, lol. Whatever, as time goes by so does the quality of products, as the next best thing is just around the corner. I would have liked to see you put the specs of a 3080ti against the new 4090. And as it stands right now my 3080ti is better than the new 4070.
Brilliant reviewer. Same issue with the Legion 7i 2023 with RTX4080, It scored 18-19k in Time Spy and 115fps in the Cyberpunk 2077 benchmark with DLSS on, Ultra settings, and ray tracing on. Gosh that's better than some RTX3080ti and RTX3090 desktop configurations from last year!
Just to give you some comparison at 3:08. For the same price of USD 2699, you'll can get a Macbook Pro 16 inch M2 Edition with 16 GB RAM + 1 TB SSD and 20 Core GPU. Pricing here is very fair when you compare.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 4080 variant has 16GB DDR, and 1TB SSD, and the 4090 has the 32GB DDR and 2TB SSD. Your review stated that both 4080 and 4090 both have the same DDR and SSD. Otherwise, at $2,699 for the 4080 is a great deal that I have not seen anywhere...
That RTX 4090 should be hitting 140-150 watts as it has in other M16 reviews. Not sure what was going on there.
It's 120W + 25W for dynamic boost
Wattage doesnt affect perfrormance" said nvidia about their new 40 series product
@@MacA60230 what's 120 +25?
He runs benchmarks in performance mode. The 140 watts can only be accomplish while using Turbo tho he showed the turbo mode numbers.
@@mariozamora9684 He showed the turbo running at 120 Watts though...
You dont need to remove the entire rubber in the bottom, it has two little rubbers like in the other areas to remove the screws!
I don't think you need to remove the whole rubber feet to get access to those 2 screw drivers. There are two caps in the rubber feet. But from what's shown in the video the whole rubber feet seems to be up side down so those caps are not covering the screws and you have to remove the whole rubber feet.
See that battery life makes me more upset that the g16 went intel as it was a cheaper better battery version of the m16, now it likely won't have great battery life. I hope I am wrong on this, but it is quite the bummer.
You named the main reason why I'm likely going to skip this generation of laptops: The lack of AMD Ryzen 7045 CPUs & Nvidia RTX 4000 GPUs in a 16/18 inch 16 : 10 chassis.
@@cameronbosch1213 agreed other than the g14 nothing is really doing amd especially like you said none that are large in size.
@Alfredo Araujo And that's why I'm likely skipping this generation. It's a painful thing, especially considering the RX 6700M in my laptop takes over two hours to render a 1 hour 1080p 60 fps video. Gaming isn't really too bad, but I mean, I'm now stuck between a rock and a hard place, as I need good battery life, but also good performance, and I cannot use MacBooks for many reasons, including the OS, anti right to repair, and forced design decisions with high prices.
I may just limp along with my current setup...
Raptor lake worst efficiency than alderlake. 4 hour in many laptops less than 1 hour in cpu intensive tasks with 1/3rd performance, un usable battery life. If in any case you travel, you have to search for outlet to run this device while travelling ,can't be used in train. Now Intel laptops are mobile Desktops that only works when plugged in.16 core AMD 7945HX beats Intel 24 core i9 13950HX in multi-core, At 80W AMD cpu is 20% faster. AMD and Nvidia both are using tsmc 4nm,apple 3nm. While Intel 10+++.
Wait, I'm confused. Your game tests only show 120W but this laptop goes up to 145W in boost and 150W in manual mode... why wasn't at least the boost factored into the test?
Best laptops to buy in current generation is the last generation ones
I agree that a full size sd card is much more helpful for content creation, but I can also appreciate a micro sd card slot, it's cheap way to add extra storage to your laptop and you can just leave the card in they don't stick out that much.
Man writes a review and doesn’t know how to disassemble the laptop. The “big rubber foot” doesn’t need to be removed there are small covers. Otherwise solid review. Got mine on sale
If manufacturers aren't going to hold Nvidia accountable then they can sell the old 3070ti at a discount price instead of these new units.
3:54 😂 Are you kidding me?.. of all things to worry about it’s the positioning of the logo? That’s petty if you ask me
recently bought a GP66HX QHD 165hz with an i7 12800HX + 150 watt 3070 Ti + 32gb ddr5 4800 ram
paid 1599
lol
> $2000+ laptop
> No fingerprint sensor
> Only $2700+ model gets miniLED
Another hard pass from me on yet another Windows laptop. They just DON'T get it, do they? With the feature segmentation and the lack of critical features.
got the 16" Asus Scar on order, still has mini led, 1100 nits, 240hz, 32gb ram, rtx4080.getting it custom carbon fiber wrap, mostly using it for work but wanted to have some gaming when away from home, I really don't like laptops for gaming but wanted something when away.
i think its the best choice. would definetly choose this one as well when i wanted to buy a new laptop!
What I find to be most troubling with the M16 is that it exhausts hot air into the screen, which is likely to damage it sooner or later, espcially if you're an everyday gamer. I was disappointed to find out that ASUS have not ratified this oversight in the 2023 edition.
It's the same for my Zephyrus G14. I wonder what kind of damage the heat could cause over time.
In the reviews and comments people 'wondering' this for three years now and 3 years later there hasn't been any reported issues. If there was a new type of heat sensitive panel introduced to market I suspect then you could wonder then but honestly if reviews actually used the product or did some research they wouldnt mention it again.
This isn’t really an issue long term. The screen circuitry’s thermal threshold will be higher than whatever hot air is blowing on it.
Not an issue. Have had this chassis for years.
talk about a non-issue. hot air wont do a thing to a display panel
You don't need to remove the entire silicon foot, just the caps above the screws. I did it last night and it was super easy and my foot is still in place.
thanks for the review. I have been eyeing m16 for a while now. Seriously considering it due to the mini-LED Display. I have M1 Pro 14" and it makes a world of a difference having a good display.
I was wondering, if you would be able to include Microsoft Flight Simulator in your benchmarks? It's quite CPU AND GPU heavy. Would be interesting to see how these laptops handle it.
wait for AMD version for the CPUm they're generally faster than Intel this gen. They also have true 18 cores rather than Intel's hybrid. You can get more info about this by googling AMD 7945hx benchmarks
The GSYNC sticker was hard to glue on evenly for that cost, huh?
Yeah, I noticed that too :)
the 2022 m16 gaming benchmarks are done in performance mode (90w) instead of turbo (120w) so theyre not really comparable since you didnt want to test that laptop at its full potential
is it a 13900H or 13900HX? Switches up during Real-World Benchmarks segment.
EDIT: Looking at the benchmarks the performance deficit in triple A gaming away from the 150w GPU isn't actually that significant, and at 1080p it looks as if the 4090 runs low enoug power/is significantly "bottlenecked" enough by the i9 that the i9 instead gets to run more power. Then in the later tests it becomes more obvious that by not better specifying the power allotment to the CPU in gaming benchmarks it APPEARS as if the lower TGP is at fault but when comparing against typically gpu bound games like Jedi Fallen Order it becomes clear it's the GPU now using more power & the CPU getting less power that's causing at times significantly worse 1% frametimes and average FPS in more CPU bound games like CS:GO. The 4K results for CS:GO then help this go full circle where the CPU clearly doesn't have as much to do anymore and the margins for performance are more reflective of the TGP differences. But even then it's not so bad. I'd wager this laptop with a custom V/F curve could easily take advantage of TSMC's efficiency and close the gap to the stock titan in balanced mode/150w TGP max. Of course the titan can pull even further ahead but given the much more portable nature of the M16 I think that's fine. I really hope going further you focus on a given gaming laptop's maximum crossload(GPU+CPU power draw in the modes your testing) to show in better detail which particular part is causing performance deficiencies as we compare against DTR class laptops like the titan.
It is very weird to see 68 degrees with 120W RTX4090, and a lot noise... Have you tried to customize the fan speed in Armoury Crate?
the test isn't accuarate as he should've enabled dynamic boost to get the 4090 to 145 watts and then compare it to the rtx 4090 at 175 watts, from the titan.
With great processing power there must also come with great power capacity. Efficiency is the name of the game and unfortunately.... these Intel chips need a lot of juice.
ARM type processors should be used to improve battery life in laptops. Imagine Apple's M series processors and Nvidia graphics cards in the same device. You can have perfect battery life whenever you want, you can access perfect power whenever you want. this is what I dream of seeing in the future.
Apple also has the benefit of vertical integration. The control everything in their laptop right from the BIOS to the kernel to the OS. That’s why they get some amazing battery life results in not only their laptops but also their phones and tablets compared to the competitors
I purchased the 2022 model (i9 3070 ti) on sale for $1500 from Best Buy when this years models were announced. Yes I use the RJ45 port even though I have wifi 6E routers and a 6E card installed. Loving it so far!
smart decision
Did the same at a little bit lower price, but honestly $3k to $5k is silly. You could build a desktop and have a last Gen laptop for that. Or buy 2 friends laptops too!!
I got a 2023 ASUS ROG M16 with the i9-13900h and a 4070. 16gb DDR5. $1949.00. I love it absolute unit. Upgradable RAM to 64gb. I’ll probably just go with 32gb. But I’m having a blast with it. I’m replaying HZD and I’m running it on Ultra and getting 86-120fps between performance and turbo settings. Good enough for me. Playing older games I’m getting very high Frame Rates of 200+. I don’t need anything over 60-120. Doom Eternal on High settings with Ray Tracing I’m getting 160-200fps. I’m happy. All at 2560x1440. 🤷🏻
How is the fan noise while just browsing and doing lighter tasks? Does the fan activate at all when youre not doing heavy tasks?
In the charts, this M16 is listed as equipped with 13900hx though we know it is actually 13900h.
That's fun timing.
I just ordered the 4080 version of this laptop less than two hours ago
Hi, where did u find it?
A UK company called Scan
Im guessing you have it by now? Do the fans activate during like browsing and light tasks or do they stay off until you do heavier workloads?
Not even going to consider this "laptop" with such miserable battery. What a joke lol. Waiting for the AMD products later in the year, I don't mind sacrificing some performance for much better battery
You might as well buy last year laptops; it seems laptop OEMs dgaf about AMD or us consumers. 🖕
After rewatching, given that e cores seem to help very little with power consumption, nvidia is as power hungry as always been, and that I reside in a country where 5 hour blackouts are, though not the norm, more frecuent than desired, the low battery autonomy of an Intel-Nvidia combo is making highly probable for me to remain a ryzen User.
And yet my 2 year old G15 w/ the AMD 5900HS/3070 Best Buy SKU continues to age like fine wine with it's 13 hours of battery life... Can't fathom any reason to upgrade with this latest round of Intel powered Asus SKU's.
is it mini led though
That's gotta be one of the smoothest voices on YT.
Came for the review. Stayed for the ASMR
I ALWAYS use LAN when I can. I have wired all the significant locations in my house, and will always do so.
Does it still blows hot air to the screen? And does it really have any effect on the display life?
I want to know aswell
Sorry, but the benchmark results are kind of useless. Why do you show different balancing modes of a laptop? Just show the highest performance possible for each.
Why is the Razer Blade 16 shown only in balance mode, yet others in different modes? 🤷🏻
Otherwise a great review!
I'm rocking the 2021 model of M16 with 3060. Battery life is great, it has a fingerprint scanner and it runs almost all games on high details without skipping a bit. Oh, and it cost me 1500 usd brand new.
But it doesn't have fancy light on the lid and a 40XX Nvidia sticker.....😭
I'm thinking of buying the previous generation (2022). 2000 USD is to much. imo. not sure if they even sell the last year version anymore.
In the spec list, you showed i9 13900H CPU but in a benchmarks, you wrote i9 13900HX. So I’m just wondering is it a H or HX CPU? If actually M16 comes with only H CPU and beats Razer’s HX, it’d be super cool.
I've had so many problems with Asus Zephyrus (both the G and the M series). Sudden lost of keyboard, fan controller goes crazy blasting 100% speed at idle, screen adhesive gave up at the bottom, etc. etc.
Yeah this was my concern when I saw the first M16 a couple years ago. The air blowing onto the bottom of the screen... that just cannot be good for longevity
Good review but why do you only run the Titan and the Blade in their balanced profile and not their maxed out profile like you do with the M16? doesn't seem terribly fair
Because this channel doesn't gaf about proper laptop reviews. Try Jarrod's Tech; he truly reviews laptops.
This channel use balanced profile from day 1. Only use high performance of the wattage isn't enough.
Harrods tech compared 4090 on titan gt77 to desktop which is unfair people think only 50% SLOWER THAN DESKTOP, but in reality it may be 60-70% even though it's 150W laptop and also compared against 3080ti laptop which isn't as thick as former. Biased comparison.
it would be great if you can test about the battery life on iGPU mode with supported laptops. It's should ve common for people to switch to igpu mode if they are at risk of running out the battery
great review, thanks! any chance you can let us know where the wallpaper shown at 3:38 is from?
A quick question, should you buy additional warranty and stuff for new laptops from lenovo or asus ?
2:15
To be fair - that 0.10 difference is absolutely negligible. But I have to ask - why would You need 800 nits of brightness? Don't You want your eyes to function properly?
Which laptop has a better screen? Asus ROG Zephyrus M16 mini led (2023) vs. Razer Blade 16 mini led vs. MSI GT77 mini led.
I’d assume they’re all sourcing that panel from the same supplier, and that the differences are negligible.
That said, I haven’t even seen any of them firsthand, let alone tested them or anything, so idk. Just a guess.
After a year of owning this, I feel ambivalent about the Turbo noise level. Next time I get a maxed out gaming laptop, it will be something like a 18". But it's not a bad laptop all in all. I use ANC headset when gaming, so that solves most of the noise. And for casual use, Silent is a decent mode.
Zephyrus 16, Scar 16, G16, Flow X16 -- Help me choose please???
Hey what laptop would you recommend in 2023 for gamming and school
When will it be available for buy?
I really hope you can help. I have some knowledge on hardware, but I bought this model a few weeks ago :
[TOUCHSCREEN] Asus ROG Flow X16 AMD Ryzen 7-6800HS up to
4.7GHz Processor, 20MB Cache, 8x Cores, 16x Threads / 64GB DDR5
RAM / 1TB Ultra-Fast NVMe SSD / 16" QHD+ (2560 x 1600, WQXGA)
165Hz IPS Level Touch screen Display / NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 6GB GDDR6 Dedicated Graphics / Windows 11 Home (64bit) / USB 720P HD Web Camera / Intel Wi-Fi 6 Gigabit Wireless LAN / Bluetooth 5.2 / 2
x USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-A / 1x ROG XG Mobile Interface Port / 2x Type
C USB 3.2 Gen 2 with Power Delivery and Display Port / 1 x HDMI
2.0b / 1 x Headphone and Microphone Audio Combo Jack / RGB Backlit Chiclet Keyboard / 2x 1W speaker with smart AMP
Now previously I had a Asus Zenbook Flip 15.
I looked on TH-cam before buying and everywhere they said it was a mini-LED (which to me means very good screen quality - and is this actually a mini LED for the model I bought), but when I got it, I must be honest I did not see the quality everyone was raving about (I still think my Zenbook had a better screen) or am I not understanding the tch the right way.
Unfortunately the Flow was stolen from my car two days ago and I am again looking to buy, but this time I want to make sure Im getting real quality.
Kind regards.
Chris
The differences in laptop prices between Europe and the US is so rediculous. The base model here costs 3799,- euro (4121,67$). That is more than double....
Would like to see the 4080 version compared to the Razer 16
Or the blade 16 with the 4090 compared to this.
@@levygaming3133 The M16 scores a 20K on cinebench at stock. The Blade 16 scores ~29.5K on cinebench at stock...~32.5K if you undervolt the CPU.
@@bl4ckst0ne that’s a huge difference 😅
Also, let's see the performance/boost mode numbers and not balanced mode for blade.
Would it be a sin to ask how much does VRAM this RTX 4090 card has?
16GB
Don't question, consoom
That corsair ad... bendable monitor made me drop my coffee -- it looks painful for some reason
Which 4080 model has 2 TB of storage and 32 GB of RAM? The one at Best Buy only has half that… I don’t know where you got that Model
how is the sound?
Really doubting it looks better than the panel on the M1/M2 laptops.
Does the 4080 variant suffer from the same wattage limitations?
I'm not sure why in your charts you are using the Razer 4080 in BALANCED mode for comparison. It was kinda confusing and can be a bit misleading if someone was not paying attention. Why not use the blade 4080 in turbo?
11:29 Did he write 13900hx for the M16 by accident? I can't see any 2023 M16 with those specs online.
What is the name of the song during the benchmark at 12:40 please. Shazam does not find it, different answer everytime. Hardware Canucks would you please list your source?
Should I expect better batter while web browsing with the 4070 model? Iirc it switches to an onboard gpu when not gaming
I went to the mall earlier today in hopes of getting the Zephyrus G14. I wasn't sure if I wanted the 2022 version or wait for the 2023 version which comes with a 4000s series Nvidia GPU. But when I was there, the sales agent showed me the 2023 M16, and I was REALLY impressed by it. I almost bought it but I figured I should sleep on it and read more reviews about it... and now seeing your Battery Life performance, and also 4000 series overheating/fan nosie issue... I am not too sure. I was looking at the 4080 variant, not the 4090. Do you think the battery issue + overheating/fan noise unique to the 4090 variant? Or the 4080 likely suffers from the same issue?
i plan on buying the g15 with its better battery life cause of the ryzen 9 cpu? What's your opinion on that?