How to build a system to feel the bass
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- Where's the best place to position a subwoofer if you want to get down with chest pounding bass? This viewer in Cali Columbia wants to feel that bass in his bones and Paul helps him get there.
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lol "dear Paul, how do i get THROWN OUT of my new apartment?"😆😂🤣🤣🤣
literally like off the balcony
Get Cerwin Vegas
"I'm building a stereo system for my new APARTMENT,
And I (AND MY NEIGHBORS) want to be able to FEEL the bass in my chest and my arms!!"
I also thought about the neighbours... : D
LOL.. I was thinking the same thing. The "TRICK" is not doing something like that in an apartment at all!
Not just an apartment issue. We live in a private residence, and the former neighbor across the street had a system with that capability - they used to love playing Jurassic Park. Sounded like a T.Rex had invaded the neighborhood. Ka-thump, Ka-thump . . .
After he installs the sub, his neighbors may want to help him feel something in his chest and arms
in a proper setup neighbours are not affected
oh, the neighbors are gonna love Juan
And in an apartment my friend? Get a house in the country. I can't even do it in the burbs.
@@InsideOfMyOwnMind , just full range towers may be too much for an apartment.
thankfully, the nearest home to me is 400'. they dont even notice my 2 REL S5 SHOs
I don't believe in adding a sub to the system proper pair of speakers should deliver enough bass if you are building your system properly ,My Proac D30SR deliver as much as much bass I can dream of I really do not need a sub.
@@itzhakazoulay1271 , i have not yet come across any system, in any room (other than a 12x12 square room)
which does not benefit _significantly_ from a pair of good subs _properly_ positioned.
your speakers claim 20hz. i do NOT believe that claim. not from a 6 1/2" driver which also is called upon to do midrange duty....nope, dont buy it.
i bet if measured, their linear response would be about 50hz.
i have B&W 803D2 with 3 7" bass only drivers each. they are rated at 17hz
thats 21" of bass drivers. with proper positioning, i was quite happy with the bass they put out.
still, my speakers thrilled when 2 REL S5 SHOs were added.
i say, try it, i think youll be surprised.
best wishes.
You can sometimes have loud music in an appartment, but what the questioner in this video is asking is over the top in an appartment indeed. It will give a 100% guarantee for a serious neighbors issue. Resulting in wasted money on such stereo set as soon as the police arrives. Better find a house on the countryside first.
Mankind used to now exactly how, when I was 7 years old our entire school walked down the road to a local Chapel to practice singing for the Christmas concert, the Chapel, built in 1818 had an organ which had bass pipes that went from the ground floor to the roof. When the organist started up the bass produced went through me like I wasn't there and the whole building thronged... and the best part was it wasn't nowhere near ear splitting loud! As the decades have passed people have accepted less and less, if you think an old wind up gramophone has no bass just compare it to the sound coming from a TV these days, yet put a TV made in the 1960's in the same room and it will blow its modern counterpart out off the water. You see kids walking down the road these days with a phone going tssst tssst tssst and they are quite happy... though if I had to listen to the shit they were playing I think I'd need a tiny phone on mute before I was happy! I didn't get to the end of this video but the answer is a corner. Put your bass speaker in the corner of a room and the room itself will act as a gramophone horn and amplify the sound.
Strap the subwoofer onto the back of your chair.
LOL
Not a bad idea
I've been hearing a lot of good things about a company called JTR Audio. The subs they make are supposed to amazing.
step 1: not be in an apartment. like seriously? you want your neighbors grabbing pitchforks? setp 2: get a sub and or dsp.
Since bass is omnidirectional I decided to forego large subwoofers and instead installed many Clark Synthesis Platinum transducers in the chairs that we have in the home theater room. This way when the Tyrannosaurus Rex in Jurassic Park walks the only thing shaking are the chairs and not the whole room!
Paul, where did you get dem big ole shoes?
Happy Easter
Apartment!? Paul, sounds like a prescription for eviction.
Subs are only part of the equation if you want chest thumping power. Go also for larger diameter Mid Bass speakers. Around 10 inches plus will move and pressurize the room. In an apartment though, you'd be asking for plenty of noise complaints. Handle with care...😁
12" if you want punch, 15" if you want shit falling off the walls
To feel the bass.
Buy a Rotel RB 1080.
Buy pretty much any Cerwin Vega with a 15" woofer..
Enjoy ur bass. Sounds like shit, but the bass will be delivered.
I do not think it sounds like shit but hey to each their own. You are correct the bass will be delivered and it will be much more musical and accurate with plenty of slam then most average subwoofers.
I find that PRAT is preferable to low end when it comes to "danceability".
Hopefully their neighbors are as nice as mine. I’ve got a wife and kid in a studio apt, and my system/music rig takes up most of the space... anyway all my neighbors are either deaf or never home, so they don’t mind me taking my daily musical journeys.
I’d also consider some transducers to literally make the floor & furniture shake...
That's the first thing that popped into my mind. Put one of these on the listening chair: www.parts-express.com/cat/bass-shakers/3524
Me personally I go for low Hz rather than thump in chest. I don't know much about pre made subs but if you go DIY route Dayton Audio RSS line of subs are really nice and fairly inexpensive. I believe Paul uses the same RSS line 12" sub in PS Audio's music room. The sub columns in his room
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I can recommend a sub. They add a deeper darker layer to even the most massive floorstanders. I can feel my house shake if I crank it. Makes music more physical.
Im building 2 big T-Line with 12" woofer for subwoofers then from 90hz up to 350hz i will have 4 fast 6.5" midbass drivers per channel in a sealed enclosure for the bass punch! then mid and tweeter .
How 'bout Rythmik?
Bob Campos ... I just got the Rythmik F12, it’s great. Using them with the P3ESR 😈
I am really considering a pair of F12s to replace a couple of mismatched subs I am using for music. What to you think of them?
Bob Campos ... goes very low for music. Not tried it for HT. Tight. Defined. No boomy sound. Easy to integrate.
Those subs are beasts, along with SVS and JTR. But I just installed a Nakamichi 9.2.4 Shockwafe with two sub woofers. I literally feel the bass in my chest even with volume 30 out of 100. It's installed in a medium sized room. The bass is incredibly smooth. It doesn't go as low as the others, I believe it goes down to 30 hz, but the sound is incredible, especially for the price. it provides an immersive listening experience, especially with ATMOS movies.
A lot of people are now working from home in their home office and need a solid 2.1 system with their PC/Mac. The #1 quality of working from home is the ability to enjoy music with my subwoofer shaking the house while working. For my office PC setup I am using the miniDSP 2x4 HD as DAC with 2.1 active cross-over and excellent ability to tune the frequency response incl. especially the bass where tuning is always a challenge.
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Small subs with lots of power wont work....A system that is min. 20 inch surface area of speaker cone (2x 10 2x12) min 1000watts RMS, ported or bandpass box......Thats the starting line for actual sound clouds in the room. Going over that can damage your foundation though and knock things off your walls
Hello everyone, suggesting placing subs on corners, wouldn't it affect time alignment with speaker's bass drivers, so that sound will not be realistic anymore ?
Again get speakers with big drivers, and big speak cabinets, speakers with 4 or 5, 6” speaker won’t give you big bass. Get speakers with 15” woofers they will put you back in your chair.
Rel is overpriced. Better to go with svs
Parts express do some pretty good looking sub kits - can't vouch for them though I believe the Dayton Audio drivers are highly regarded.
If I was in US however, I would be putting the GR research kits at the top of the 'to explore' list, particularly servo controlled.
Bass for buck, a kit might be an area well worth exploring.
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Must be related to that Z review guy that did all his speaker You Tube reviews from inside his apartment, Love Thy Neighbor.
25 years of audio set ups and for stereo I hate subs.
For movies - absolutely. Lfe etc require it.
Unless you're listening to an awful lot of organ music sub 40hz then all subs create are a mess.
Floorstabders full range way to go. Nice and simple cohesive balanced sound.
Stephen Brennan 100% agree with you. You can definitely feel the low E string on the electric bass.
I agree, big box 15" 3-ways is what I like.
My JC1 mono blocks and Kef R 900s makes me feel the bass. If I turn it up enough it even tickles my balls. haha!
How about sitting right on top of your subwoofer? Tried that and you definitely feel the bass!
Videos of people bumpin and grindin ? ... is this the wrong site for that ... LOL
You want that feeling that goes all through your body! Got to the drag races and stand next to a top Fuel car when they test fire it after tear down and rebuild. It's not music, but..... I worked in Auto Parts and Machine shops building engines for over 20 years. Thought the 80's I only miss on year at the track! One year I was walking through the pits as the crews were getting ready for first round eliminations and a father had brought his son to the races for the first time. His son, was deaf. His dad saw a crew putting their car up on the stand so they could fire up the engine, build some heat in the block as Nitromethane runs too cool, and they would run it through the gears to be sure everything works. He walked right next to the right side header, and I walked up next to them just as they fired that beast up. His sone eyes damn near popped out of his head. The pair began signing back and forth wildly when all of a sudden the boy pointed to his ears. I don't know what type of deafness he had, whether or not he was missing the hammer and stirrup bones in the inner that normally amplify sound and transmit that to the nerves that are the. Carried off the the Brian, but I swear this kid could hear that engine. I've never seen a smile that big! Unfortunately to listen to music or anything else at that sound pressure level with damage your hearing. Luckily I had ear plugs, but if you don't, be careful what you wish for! And if you can find a happy medium, enjoy!
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Remember that when connecting
to a bass box it should sound like everything coming from the front speakers! It should not sound like there is a bass box to play for itself if you understand what I mean?
A bass box should be adjusted to sound right with the front speakers!
Remember that regular speakers have a passif crossover filter where the frequency is adjusted up and down to get correct and flat sound. Call it a passive equalizer. A regular bass box only divides at one frequency and does not have that fine tuning and does not always produce correct and flat sound.
From 100hz to lower then passive filters give negative effect as phase shift.
Many active bass filters have only 12 db filters but 24 db filters provide the best sound.
And then, in a well set up system shouldn’t be that the music its not coming from the speakers?
sometimes moving subs off the floor does help - google sub crawl and remember to check a bit of the vertical aspect too.
Thank you. Have been looking for advice on my built in sub-woofers. I want the bass but also the mids as they are essentially my front speakers. Is there anything that I should keep in mind according to you?
@@satvikmudgal3406 nah im not much of an expert really, especially on built in subs, just know a couple of tidbits
I have six REL No 32 to match with my Sony SSCS5
Easy to feel, hard to make it clear. REL just isn't there.
@Titanmth saturn Boom on!
Thank you Paul for your advice!!! I’ve been watching your videos about subwoofers after suffering from the same issue - could not feel the music at low volumes. I got my sub yesterday - SVS SB 1000 - and what a difference!!! It integrates well with my speakers and sounds amazing. I will get another sub later this yr - could only afford one now as they sell for almost dbl the price where I live. But thanks again for you advice!!! One more thing... I used the speaker level input into the sub too!!!
SVS has speaker level inputs only as a legacy solution for stereo amps which do not have sub out. Only REL has implemented speaker level inputs as the preferred choice. For other brands and makes, using Line-in (low level) will sound better
Put a bass shaker in a flack jacket you wear. Now you feel it
Just get a big PA 18 or 21 and put it in a large ported box.
Step one: live on your own, no adjoining neighbours
Mate l just built a ass kick'n sub after 4 hour's l get a letter in the mail box ( hand delivered ) could you please turn it down it's resonating all over the neighbourhood ,it was only at fifty% so be careful what you wish good luck👍
Velodyne and Gallo Acoustics also make good subs.
Velodyne was acquired by Audio Reference back in November and I have yet to see anything from them since then. Velodyne has been second tier for the last 15 years at any rate, no longer competitive in price or technology. We'll see. Gallo subs aren't top tier at all.
@@carlosoliveira-rc2xt
Hmm, good to know.
Those were the only decent subs I had any real experience with, and that now seems to be a bit dated. : P
@@HareDeLune Yeah, back in the late 80's and early 90's Velodyne was king but with the really good motor systems today, servos are no longer needed for good bass performance. David Hall of Velodyne went on to develop LIDAR and directing his efforts there while his wife ran Velodyne and not so successfully.
There are some awesome subs out there. If your budget is around 700$ buy TWO polk audio HTS 12's. I am amazed on how loud and low those go. Not sure if they can be beat for that price.
When in an appartment be sure to properly mechanically decouple your subs from the floor and building structure. You only need sound pressure in your listening room, not mechanically exite your neighbours dwellings. Best result by soft dampening rubber types. I replaced the standard feet of my stereo Sonus Faber Gravis subs for SVS SoundPath and my neighbours loved it. Additionally it improves the sound in your listening room as the hardwood flooring does not get exited any more and the cabinets resonate less. For my bedroom REL R-528 a adhesive rubber sheet is cut to size of the feet.
Eelco Sterringa There will be a lot of excitation of the floors, walls, and ceiling and therefore transmission to other apartments regardless of whether or not you decouple the subs from the floor.
Depends on the sub. REL recommends coupling as opposed to decoupling. Check out the REL acoustics youtube channel on John Hunter's explanation. In my experience, having RELs coupled to the floor sound MUCH better than decoupled - I use two REL T9is.
I’m not a big fan of multiple subwoofers (unless crossed over differently) for venues where people may be moving around. Of course there’s no perfect alignment in such situations, but it just seems unnecessary. I much more prefer one larger subwoofer cabinet with a driver capable of the sound level you desire. Two things to consider are attack and headroom. I’ve seen plenty of fine speakers which are weak and muddy due to poor installation and signal. Sub frequencies don’t suffer from beaming and have such long wavelengths, I’ve found better success with one unless you really NEED stereo for some reason and have massive bass traps.
how often have you heard two good subs well integrated in a hi-fi stereo
I’ve pretty much changed my position on this one. There are many people getting a second sub for problems it won’t solve, so it didn’t intrigue me. Now I realize there are at least two good reasons to add a second.
In the realms of "feeling the bass," there's no replacement for displacement. The more air you can displace at low excursion, the lower the distortion and the higher the output at low frequencies. Only problem is, good low-distortion "feel the bass" subwoofers are refrigerator-sized. There's a few older high-displacement designs that took 15" Altec woofers down to 22Hz, and they would shake plaster off the ceiling if you had more than one.
Sony and Phillips are also really good budget options if you're looking for a fully kitted 5.2 dual sub home theater system. You'll feel any sub with a combined RMS output of 400 or more - depending on room size and placement ofc.
Definately need subs but start with a tower speaker with larger midbass drivers. Not saying 3 or 2 6.5" midbass drivers wont cut it but 8" drivers will hit lower. Have to have subs but first get your tower speakers that have decent Midbass
Paul, you don’t ever mention speaker company names that give excellent quality sound for the best buck like HSU or DIY oriented companies like GR Research for the high end or Parts Express for the rest of us. Not everyone here on your channel can buy high end gear but a still very interested in audio technology and music and I don’t think it would hurt your business one bit by being more widely represented of the audiophile community.
Talking and boxes, not a fan.
I can feel the base with just a pair of Pioneer SP-BS22-LRs on tall stands with the ports plugged and the tone control rolled back a bit. But then, the main room of my little apartment (mnrm, bdrm, bthrm) has a nasty resonance mode. Still, bass shy music is infinitely better than no music.
Just another tip if you want to feel the bass : get the appropriate CHAIR !
A friend of mine bought a "STRANDMON" from Ikea, not because it's beautiful, but because it sort of vibrates at low frequencies.
And myself, I've tested the different chairs I have : I prefer my old relaxing couch, which also vibrates to the sound (probably due to the internal mechanical structure), over my other armchairs, which are more comfortable, but absorb all the sound...
And this gives me a nice shaking bass, even with my Klipsch Heresy III's which only go down to 58 Hz ;)
You want to feel the base????.By a 1500 Watt PA system.
I'm running dual SVS SB-3000's in a 13' x 14' room. That's 2 13" drivers powered by 1,600 watts RMS. It literally rattles items at the opposite end of the house! 👍👍
Having lived in a neighborhood where people thought it was perfectly appropriate to shake the entire damned building at 3am on a Thursday, what "Juan from Columbia" is gonna feel in his chest and arms is his neighbor's boot.
get a pair of full range 12 inch powered PA speakers and add a powered sub. if you can't feel the bass in that you are probably a zombie and should get that checked out.
Try subpac M2 (back pack with bass)
No complain from neighboors!
Get a pair of subs. 🔊🔊
Screw the neighbors, get 2 !!!
Right, they can move if they don't like it!🤪
wouldnt like to be living in the apartment next door , above or below .......... The sub will be nothing compared to the rows that follow...
Oh of course the ultimate answer is invest in Servodrive , by line 7 ..., if they are in business this month ,, now there was a speaker and an interesting concept .
That aside , I would say EVs evid sub, I think its called the 12.1 from memory, takes a lot of beating , and you only need one.
do you not run 2 subs paul?
Paul and Juan, I think we missed something here. I share Juan’s desire, but it isn’t solved with a subwoofer fully. I have a dual 15 inch Legacy Audio sub in my room. Just turning the sub up is imbalanced and annoying. The speakers must be capable of coupling to match that powerful sub. I think Juan might do well to look hard at a very dynamic speaker. Marrying a REL sub to a pair of Nautilus 805s might sound great, but will NOT slam. Conversely, a pair of Klipschhorns without a sub will definitely pound you. My sound room has had dozens of speakers run through it from Electrostatic, Ribbons, horns, vintage JBL, ADS, Boston, vanderstein, Bose 901, Snell, B&W, PSB gold, Definitive, Mirage, DQ, Monitor Audio, Polks, DCM Time Frame, M&K, JSE Infinite Slopes, etc.
No two speakers sound alike or do everything well. I have resolved to own more than one pair. I have Martin Logan Odyssey for most listening, but for times when I want to rock out like a club, I don’t go to the Odyssey. There are several vintage speakers that do what Juan is looking for well and you don’t need to spend $1000 on a vintage JBL 100. For a few hundred bucks you can have that second pair of gut busting speakers. Norman Labs, KLH, Bozak, and Boston a400 are a few great ones, but do your research on AK or other blog sites.
Note I did not mention Klipsch in my recommendation. I’ve tried lots of them from the RF7, to CF, Chorus, KLF, and more, but they all seem to be missing something between the horn and woofer integrating. They do sound great on a SET amp, but still not as satisfying as say the Norman model 9.
PS, I’ve heard that Tekton design might be a single speaker that does a good job with a wide variety of programming, but you need to buy them to hear them unless your buddy has a pair.
Had to laugh about this. We left a Santana concert early a few yrs ago. Too much bass hammering my sternum.
Placement of a sub is absolutely critical and there are a number of factors you kneed to consider but for me the most critical is to place it where my wife won't see it.
I've just bought a BK XLS400DF. UK built and very good indeed. I believe they used to produce subs for REL. Sold direct from themselves so no middle-men to hike the price.
We gatz da bass
I'm surprised Paul doesn't recommend Rhythmik subs, since they're servo driven (an Paul loves his servo subs), and sound really exceptional for the money.
Hey paul, wondering what do you think about the barefoot mm27 series studio monitors. They have 2 opposing subs in each of the cabs. So 4 subs! I produced on my friends pair, and now its all i want to upgrade my studio to.
Well i was waiting Paul to show How to build a system to feel the bass out of those pallets....:)
Paul, im thinking of uprading my underwater cinema. Ive waterproofed the projector but when it comes to choosing a suitable underwater speaker I keep running in to that age old problem of not knowing much about them. Can you help? ;)
Subs that even humpback whales and blue whales can appreciate? 🤔
I felt the same way about bass, so I got a pair of legacy audio focused se, and problem solved. Great soundstage, details, dynamics and chest thumping bass. Closest I’ve heard to a live performance.
Get 15" fronts and a powerful amp. A couple of subs are a nice bonus.
Hi Paul great videos as always
I run 2 PD1850 in a hog scoop box and my nabers feel it as well a me lol . PS stay safe
2xfull Marty's, 2kw each, done...
“Lease breaker” system ...
I want to pound pound pound too
Get yourself a room😁
Just knowing that we need pair sub instead of operating one sub only...
Just get the Kii3 + BXT, it will turn the apartment into a dance club 😬
Hey Paul, could you please clarify proper sub placement for music listening? In this video you're suggesting corners but I believe that you must be talking about HT. For music, I always see subs next to the main speakers. I suspect that this is for better integration with the timing of the speakers. Also, not sure if you know about Rythmik , they're a US company who sell servo subs directly to the public. Cheers!
The best way to find good sub placement in a room is the crawl method. first place the sub where you sit as close to ear height as possible (but it's not too critical) connect to your amp and power up. Play some good bass tracks and then get on your hands and knees and slowly crawl around your room in any or all the potential areas you can place your sub...you will find in some places it sounds too light and others it may boom too much, but then there are the sweet spots that just sound right. Sometime this can be in very strange places in your room and nowhere near your main speakers. But don't worry as bass is omi-directional. Good luck
Yes! A formal review of that unit is perfectly fine with me.
What should I do if the subs in the corner upsets the perfect triangle setup for the front speakers will be 6 feet apart and listing point 12 feet from speakers if I put subs close the center then I can keep front speaker 12 feet apart making perfect 12x12x12 triangle should put subs be behind listing point? I do have room there I am working with room dimensions 12 feet wide 16 length
Try keeping your perfect triangle, but rotating it a few degrees within the room. You keep the speakers and subs in perfect alignment with the listener, but rotating that triangle in the room means reflections, standing waves, peaks and nulls, will no longer be symmetrical and combine.
“The all about the bass.. the all about the bass” 😂😂😂
I still have a lot of early hardstyle vinyl; those are fun for bass tests 😃
Get a down firing subwoofer not a front firing and place them in the corner wall, you can feel it's kicking and shaking even at low volume.
A downfiring sub in an appartment 😂😂 That’s too wrong
Buy a Fostex FW800HS woofer :D
Time Alignment is what is required to get bass that is articulate that you can feel. Simply adding a sub will not achieve this.
combined with a proper dsp it is
bass shaker for his chair. Never tried one, but sounds fun.
Aren't systems that sound as if the bass guitarist - playing a Fender Mustang electric bass guitar thru a 7591A output tube equipped Ampeg bass guitar amp - is in your listening room with you frowned upon in high end audio circles? 🤔
Laurentz Duba A lot of the high end audiophiles are more impressed by imaging and soundstage than bass. But achieving good bass in the high end isn’t really a challenge. Also they usually don’t listen as much to R&R as other genres of music. But I do and love the sound and feel of a well recorded bass guitar.
If I can't hear the bass plucking, it ain't right. Rock and metal need good bass.
Bass is easy, it's the treble and mid-range that get difficult to get right at given volume.
Perhaps your room is the issue.
always loved "Car Talk", "Click & Clack" the "Tappet Brothers" ! - cool reference Paul
In short:
You need some dollars before you can pound, ;)
My CV! can pound, less than $1000 plus the cost of an amp. Don't even need subs, but have them anyway
REL is the absolute best. Have a t9i and not only is it gorgeous it also sounds amazing
Wesley Khalil good for hip hop?
Good for pretty much all music. They are very responsive. Sync perfectly with your speakers. So much so that it doesn't sound like you have A sub more of an extension to your speakers. Could not recommend REL enough. Have tons of features too :)
Wesley Khalil thank you so much for answering this question
Rythmik audio carries a line of servo-subs. Including one from GR Research. They are fast and go as low as 12hz!!!
Jon Patrick Yes, you can’t do better than GR Research in subs or anything else. But from the sound of it doesn’t seem this guy cares about sound quality as much as bass energy.
@@StewartMarkley thanks Stewart, I believe you're right about this particular person. If he was exposed to a great 'sounding' sub, I would have to believe he would want what he was hearing/experiencing even more. ;)
Jl audio or JTR other than Rel?
I can't wait to see that sub
Can't believe Paul did not mention the subwoofer crawl to find optimum placement .That's where you place the sub where you want to sit then play bass heavy tunes and then crawl around the room until you hear the bass the loudest then when you find that spot mark it and place the sub there.
Salute!
B.I.C. has a line of subwoofers perfect for apartment living called the "Eviction line" ! Lol Seriously I'd look at Rythmic servo subwoofers or SVS .
I'd rather feel real bass through a well designed pair of speakers not a boom from a sub.