When should you ROLL OUT a COVERED CALL Position (When should you ROLL SHORT CALL OPTIONS)

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  • @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning
    @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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  • @hammertimee777
    @hammertimee777 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    The general rule of thumb of when to roll your covered call options is when the options become in the money. You should do it as soon as possible regardless of ex-dividend dates. And when you roll your option, you should always seek to collect a credit. Do this perpetually and you will always have new cash coming into your account and you will never have to part from your shares.

    • @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning
      @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for sharing your strategy.

    • @marcw.5492
      @marcw.5492 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning collecting a credit every time is a good strategy... but impossible

    • @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning
      @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      If an option is DITM, unless you go pretty far out in time, it can be challenging to collect a credit. But generally, you are at least be able to roll out for a break even. There are some exceptions when the bid ask spreads are really wide, but generally in a situation like that, if you go far enough out, you'll be able to get a credit if you're roll the same strike price.

    • @JohnYoga
      @JohnYoga 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I tend to go this route. For several reasons:
      1. The stock could reverse and if you didn't roll, you missed the opportunity for a wider profit zone and more credit.
      2. You are capping your gains prematurely, if you don't roll.
      3. The deeper the stock goes in the money, the larger the spreads and the less likely you will be able to capture additional premium.

  • @pkap2645
    @pkap2645 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You are wonderful. That hint about the Put price indicating the Call extrinsic values is so obvious, but NEVER occurred to me in last 10 learning years !! Thanks.

    • @katiefranklin6013
      @katiefranklin6013 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’m still not sure I got my head around that idea…

  • @katiefranklin6013
    @katiefranklin6013 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hello! Thank you for your video! Do you recommend any particular data entry to keep track of gains and losses?

    • @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning
      @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I use spreadsheets to keep track of everything. I’ve developed them over my years of trading.
      Here’s their link if you’d like to check them out: etsy.me/3HHq5ge

  • @michellewoo5662
    @michellewoo5662 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Questions for setting alerts (refer 14.25 min mark)
    What does SMART mean?
    For Abbv alert : what does 0.15 mean and how did you determine it?

    • @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning
      @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Good eye Michelle! That's the name of the exchange that the options are trading on. So that alert is basically pinging each option on that exchange and as soon as the midpoint of each option reaches it's set alert price, I get an alert.

    • @michellewoo5662
      @michellewoo5662 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning
      How do you usually decide the mid point value of each option?
      Does mid point value represent the extrinsic value left to the options you sold?

    • @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning
      @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      If I'm understanding your question correctly, I define the midpoint value as the middle of the ask and bid. And it would only be the extrinsic value of the option if the option was out of the money.

  • @cocoon757
    @cocoon757 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why you let the stock called away? Will this work?--buy to close the call option and sell to open it with a higher strike?

    • @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning
      @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for your question and support! Yes you don’t have to let it be called away from you, you could also do as you described and roll the option out in time and up in strike price.

  • @TradingWithCJ
    @TradingWithCJ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice breakdown man, not really into covered calls, but good to know 👊🏼

  • @nofear1604
    @nofear1604 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video: what are the tax implications i.e of rolling covered calls. Is there an wash sale rule impact here ?

    • @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning
      @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, unless you’re classified differently, if you are concerned with taxes, you’d want to consider the wash sale rule. Here’s a video on that exact subject: th-cam.com/video/xdcQCKZtJhI/w-d-xo.html

    • @nofear1604
      @nofear1604 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning thanks for the video. Extremely helpful

  • @334205bamaboy
    @334205bamaboy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Another really good video

  • @jimgeyer3475
    @jimgeyer3475 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Covered Calls, spread trading, and selling cash secured puts,,!!!!!!

  • @skore1234
    @skore1234 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have 5 covered calls for $pltr the price has gone down. Should I roll them?

    • @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning
      @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for your question and support! PLTR is not a stock I am familiar with at all. So all I can do is look at the charts and since it just started trading on September 30th of last year, there's really not enough data to make what I consider a solid technical read.
      Please don't base your decision on this but PLTR does seem to be trying to form a temporary support point around $20 and resistance around $28. It's just impossible to say that for sure because it's such a newly traded company, that there's not enough data points to make a solid technical read.
      In your case here, I'd rather base your decision on where you'd feel comfortable with the stock being called away. In this situation, that'd be my main focus in deciding where to roll the covered call strike out to. Here's a couple videos I made on that subject if you'd like to check it out: th-cam.com/video/cwoqR5fNHkA/w-d-xo.html and th-cam.com/video/7s4iakIyDNQ/w-d-xo.html

  • @krisragu4685
    @krisragu4685 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video THX much...
    I have a question:
    While rolling a covered call...
    In order to make a profit(net credit)...
    1)Is it best to do it on day of expiry or before?
    2)Is it best to roll when stock if running up or down?
    I have meta calls deep ITM expiring Friday...
    Sold To Open 1 contract META Jun 09 2023 240 Call at limit @ $6.65
    I don't wanna sell this at 240$ price!

    • @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning
      @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It really is situation specific because if it looks like a stock is topping out, then you’re probably better off waiting as it comes down.
      However, if it looks like it’s about to takeoff, then you want to go ahead and roll it before it does that. And we are also hoping to do that when there’s not much time value or extrinsic value left in the option.

    • @krisragu4685
      @krisragu4685 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning
      Thx...
      I do have a question...
      I bought Amazon 100 shares at 111. Sold calls at that strike. It hasn't been sold yet why... Why wouldn't anyone buy at 111 now? It's at 125 now! I'm glad it hasn't called off but curious as I'm new to this relatively ...
      I wanna hold on to Amazon since I think it'll go past ATH eventually.
      Pls explain if you can thx...
      Here's details:
      Sold To Open(1 month ago) 1 contract AMZN Jun 09 2023 111 Call at limit @ $1.83

    • @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning
      @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning  ปีที่แล้ว

      Assignment is explained in this video: th-cam.com/video/RrWEqdmUYOI/w-d-xo.html

  • @Bass2Bassnet
    @Bass2Bassnet 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    my favorite strategy is Shorting ATM Puts

    • @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning
      @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you for sharing! 👏 I like sign ATM puts also if there’s nice support there.

    • @Bass2Bassnet
      @Bass2Bassnet 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning mostly shorting tsla & nvda puts... Free cash

  • @1310Robbo
    @1310Robbo ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you

  • @leefader7682
    @leefader7682 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another very informative video, Thank you!!!

  • @raychoi948
    @raychoi948 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Randy you videos are great, I notice in most case you sell covered call right away when stock is assigned, may you share some kind of guidance of how you choose the strike price for the covered call, and would you has any target premium to pocket (eg 5% of stock price)or whatever premium it offers with the strike price you choose.

    • @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning
      @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you for your support Ray! I prefer to sell CCs right away unless it looks like the stock is advancing with no signs of slowing momentum. I don't have a target premium except to collect as much as possible but still try to line us up to win the long game. So if a stock is advancing I'd ideally like to sell the CC at the spot where I think it'd find resistance. However if a CSP has just been assigned to us, that probably means that the stock is trading for a decent bit below where we bought it at. In that case I'd probably sell the CC at the strike we bought the stock at. If however this stock has declined substantially, then I would be willing to sell the CC at a strike below where we bought the stock at but hopefully at an area that should serve as resistance for it.
      Here is a video I made on the subject: th-cam.com/video/aK-nPXZ1hAA/w-d-xo.html

    • @raychoi948
      @raychoi948 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning thank you Randy for your valuable sharing!

  • @danielharris7652
    @danielharris7652 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have some questions about a few current positions I have but don't need to post them here. If I join patreon can I ask them directly to you or do you have a way to message directly? Very informative and practical information here without all the hype. Much appreciated.

    • @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning
      @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hey Daniel thank you for your comment and support! Yes if you join Patreon you can message me directly directly. I look forward to working with you!

  • @elliottmg1
    @elliottmg1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ICovered Calls is my go to strategy. I got burned this year doing credit spreads

  • @retiredfire2013
    @retiredfire2013 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tax implications of not closing positions by Dec 31?

    • @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning
      @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's definitely a good tax question! 🤔 I am not a professional tax advisor so I can't advise you on that with confidence.

  • @uclajd
    @uclajd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Also, what about rolling to capture the 61 day qualified dividend tax rule?

    • @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning
      @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      If the return is sufficient, I’m definitely willing to roll a call option out in order to also benefit from receiving the dividend.

  • @steveblinder9080
    @steveblinder9080 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a question. If I sell covered call 12 dollar for $1.30 and at experation stock price is 12.50 will the stock will be called and I will keep difference beetween 12.50 and 13.30 price? Will option just expire? What will happen?

    • @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning
      @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      If you do a covered call and sell the $12 call option strike price and the stock is higher than $12 at expiration. If you don’t do anything with the position and allow it to happen, the stock will be called away from you and you will sell it at $12. You will get to keep the option premium for the call option you sold but you will sell it at $12 per share no matter what price the stock is trading for that’s above your $12 strike price.
      Here’s a video Series on covered call options you might find helpful: th-cam.com/play/PL3j38I2YtGw0GuZi4OOSzGcx3Oq_SMr2K.html

  • @robertbarry1792
    @robertbarry1792 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What would you do with a covered call on JNJ 1/15/21 at $150?

    • @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning
      @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      If you were hoping to hold onto the stock then I would put a roll out there to roll that strike price up $5 to $155 and try and walk away with a small credit on top of that. It looks like JNJ is in a pretty good up trend and there's a lot of buying pressure in the daily and weekly volumes. Right now, as long as nothing changes, JNJ looks like it's heading up even though it is about to test his previous high. But the charts look bullish to me!

  • @michellewoo5662
    @michellewoo5662 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Abbv example you showed in this video was deep ITM by $30.
    Were you expose to the risk of the shares being called away before the expiration since buyer has the right to exercise?
    If yes, how do you determine when should you roll the option if you wanted to keep those shares?
    And if you roll, would you pick the same or higher strike price?
    Thanks.

    • @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning
      @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning  3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Great questions Michelle! You do have exposure to the stock being called away from you however if you have time value left in the option then it's highly unlikely they will call the stock away from you unless they're trying to do a dividend capture.
      For example ABBV pays a pretty good dividend. It's actually going ex dividend this month and the dividend is $1.30 per share. So a few days before ex dividend date, if that call option has less than $1.30 per share in it, then it's highly likely that they are going to call that stock away from me.
      However let's say an option does not pay a dividend or is not about to go ex dividend, if there's still some time value or extrinsic value left in the option, that trader is better off just selling the option out on the open market rather then exercising the option on us because they're basically giving us that extrinsic value or time value if they exercise the option.
      That's why I set all those alerts on covered call options. So that when there's not much option premium left in that position, I'm reminded that it's time to make a decision to either let the stock be called away from me or go ahead and roll the position. When I roll positions my biggest factor is getting sufficient return. If the stock has not really increased in price then I'll probably just roll the position out. If the stock has gone down in price, that I might even roll my short covered call strike price down. And if the stock price is increased (and I can do it for a credit) and it looks like the stock will stay up, then I will try to roll the short covered call strike price up.
      Does that answer your questions?

    • @michellewoo5662
      @michellewoo5662 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning
      Got it, thanks so much for sharing yr experience!

  • @michellewoo5662
    @michellewoo5662 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If sell call option is ITM, what are the risk if I roll it to a farther date with the same strike price?
    E.g. Strike $50 expire Dec 13, share spot price is $55. If i roll the sell call option to Jan 15 with same strike $50, will i expose to the risk of my 100 shares being called away before the Jan 15 since buyer has right to exercise before expiration?
    Similar case to sell put ITM.
    E.g. Strike $220 expire Dec 13, share spot price is $190. If i roll the option to Jan 15 with same strike $220, will i expose to the risk of being assigned 100 shares before expiration?

    • @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning
      @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Pretty much 100% of the time, the only time that your stock will be called away from you is if there is no or very little extrinsic or time value left in the option. The exception would be if the stock is about to go ex Dividend. At that point if the options extrinsic value is around or less than the dividend amount, then someone may exercise the option to capture the dividend.
      That's why I set alerts on the put and the corresponding call so I know as soon as my extrinsic value is getting down to either nothing or approaching the dividend amount. So just keep an eye on how much extrinsic value is left in the option and if it's a dividend paying stocks then you also want to factor in the dividend amount and what day it's going ex dividend.
      I hope that helps. Does that answer your questions?

    • @michellewoo5662
      @michellewoo5662 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning
      Many thanks for the explanation.
      Is extrinsic value means the prem that i need to pay in case i want to buy and close the position?
      Also, if there's the case is it safer that i pick a higher strike price to roll my sell call, and a lower strike price to roll my sell put option to a farther date?

    • @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning
      @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      If an option is out of the money then it's price is made up of 100% extrinsic value. If the option is in the money, say for example an option is $1 in the money but it's selling for $5 in that case $4 of that $5 is considered extrinsic value and $1 is considered intrinsic value. You'd have to pay the $5 for it but its value is made up of those two components.

  • @sengtheking
    @sengtheking 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you are in a losing position, even if you roll over into a new position, you still lose money right?

    • @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning
      @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Hey Seng thanks for the question. The answer to your question is possibly. The reason why is because every time you roll an option, if you roll them the way I do (for a credit) then you are lowering your cost basis in the position. There are times when I end up selling a stock for less than I paid for it, but I end up with a profit in the overall position because I collected so much option premium.
      Does that answer your question?
      Thank you for your support!

    • @334205bamaboy
      @334205bamaboy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @seng her if you are in a losing position you would roll futher into the future (make sure its enough to cover ur current losing position) until the stock goes ur way then get out

    • @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning
      @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes that's correct. If I felt negatively about the current strike price I would also try to roll the short put strike price down. If my whole outlook of the company changed from positive to negative, then I would consider exiting the position and taking a lose. That happens very infrequently. When it has happened I'm usually able to pay for closing the position out by selling ITM puts in a new company that I feel very strongly about. I did that one time earlier this year and it worked out great!.

  • @Loso561
    @Loso561 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Covered calls for sure , I was gun slinging buying naked calls and while the ROI was great I got smoked to dust a few times aswell lol

  • @kamran6336
    @kamran6336 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do you keep a certain percentage of your account in cash if you need roll the options?

    • @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning
      @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hey Kamran we keep cash in a couple of different accounts. We don't keep it all in one account. We are comfortable selling short put positions (or owning covered call positions) for the entire amount of cash we have set aside for option trading. However we do not use leverage. So if we have sold 100k worth of positions then we have 100k set aside in case they get put into our account.

  • @Swara96
    @Swara96 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I sold 3 covered calls for nio for 3 months out for $50 strike price. Currently at $43. I received $1100. If it hits say $55 or $60 and my shares get called away, besides the premium, do I keep the profit from $43 to $55 or whatever price it’s at or only up to the $50 strike covered call price? Thank you

    • @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning
      @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you for the question and your support! Since you'd be selling NIO at $50 per share, the strike price of the call option you sold, then you get to benefit from any price appreciation up to that sell price. Since you would be selling it at $50 you would not benefit from any price appreciation beyond that. However you would get to keep the option premium of $1100 that you received.

    • @Swara96
      @Swara96 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My Life of Learning thank you. So the covered calls is for December, if it hits $50 next month, can I force them to exercise it so that way I can go on the open market n buy more shares or I have to wait till expiration and have to wait it out?

    • @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning
      @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You cannot force a buyer to exercise an option you have sold. If you wanted to reset the position, then you could always buy the option back and then sell a new one (if it benefited you) or just buy it back to close it out. Otherwise you just have to wait to see what happens.

    • @Swara96
      @Swara96 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My Life of Learning thank you. I bought it back on the dip n will do weekly covered calls rather than months out. When you do the math, the weekly will pay double as supposed to picking one months out

  • @sarkiskalfaian8502
    @sarkiskalfaian8502 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Randy, do you keep records on excel sheet for each company on how much you have profited or lowered the cost? I mean do you do it manually ?

    • @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning
      @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hey Sarkis thank you for your questions and support! Yes I keep my records manually in excel spreadsheets to help keep track of my P&L in each stock. It also comes in handy when filing my tax returns. It's the same excel sheets I share snapshots of in my videos.

    • @sarkiskalfaian8502
      @sarkiskalfaian8502 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning Thanks Randy, is there a way to share the template of excel sheet? as i have started following up some of your trades and would like to keep track of them. If not its all good, will make one by myself.

    • @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning
      @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hey Sarkis I will see what I can do to include a link in a future video. Thanks for the suggestion.

    • @sarkiskalfaian8502
      @sarkiskalfaian8502 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning thanks Randy, for me it’s fine as I created one same as yours which was easy and quick. If that helps to your other members maybe it’s good to share. Happy trading and Merry Christmas

  • @hessc12
    @hessc12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I enjoy your content very much and you have helped me tremendously. I encourage everyone to like, subscribe, and share! Thanks for all you do!!

  • @jg10jg10
    @jg10jg10 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like to buy at-the-money spy or qqq 2-yr leaps and sell weekly calls against those with a 90% or higher chance of being called. I basically collect cash (bread crumbs) while I wait for the (big bread) leaps to be deep in the money as they expire 2 yrs later. Then I sell, collect cash and buy leaps again while I keep collecting little cash weekly.

    • @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning
      @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hey Jonathan thank you for your sharing and for your support! I like the continuous inflow of cash and buying LEAPs. That sounds like a great strategy!

    • @jg10jg10
      @jg10jg10 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning Best part, it leaves your margin untouched and accessible for other trades, as we all know we can't buy options on margin. Thank you for sharing your awesome videos and insights.

    • @86753091974
      @86753091974 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hey thanks for sharing...when you say you sell short calls against it with 90% chance of being called away....does that mean selling short calls with .90 delta? Meaning the short call is extremely deep in the money?

    • @86753091974
      @86753091974 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Do you mean a 90% chance of NOT being called away? .10 delta?

    • @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning
      @StockandOptionMyLifeOfLearning  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's a great point Jonathan! Just please keep in mind that if the market moves against your long LEAP positions, and it does it in a big way, and you're using 100% of the value of your account, your account could take a big hit if you were forced to liquidate. So you just want to be mentally and financially prepared for that.