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I always put the Hurricane in the same category as its American counterpart the P-40. Underrated and never appreciated for it's contributions to the war effort.
Hurricanes were replaced by P-40s as quickly as was possible. P-40 was a second tier fighter, the Hurricane was 3rd tier and never a competetive front line fighter even in 1940.
@@PauloPereira-jj4jv Hurricanes, as fighters, were replaced as much as allowed. First by P-40s in North Africa starting in 1941, and by Spitfires in Britain and Malta (1942). In the CBI, they were kept in use until replaced by Spitfires, P-47's, etc. Like I said, as a front line day fighter, it was obsolete.
The Hawker Hurricane, like the American F-4F Wildcat, had to do the heaviest lifting against the most experienced and confident enemy pilots. They did a damn fine job too! Thanks for showing the Hurricane some well deserved love. ❤️
Not just one of history's greatest aviators, but that inimitable British attitude and spirit. Just a joy to listen to how he presents himself and the work he performed.
@@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935 test pilot skills are not equal to fighter pilots skills. Given time and opportunity, I'm sure he would have been a successful fighter pilot.
Amazing character, massive balls & a real gem. Capt Brown would be horrified at what the western world has become over recent years. But he reminds us of what we're capable of.
@@andrewstewart9263 Every time I visit my dad's grave, a WW2 vet, I expect to see the ground around him heaved up from all the vets turning over in their graves.
These types of recollections and interviews are priceless captures of the reality of the situation these people found themselves in. Tom Brokaw's "The Greatest Generation" and the sequel/followup, "The Greatest Generations Speaks" captures the backstories, but interviews like this....the honesty and the clearly vivid and accurate memories...are priceless. Thankyou for sharing, and all the efforts to interview etc. Most people don't appreciate how much effort his takes.
The Hurricane had the lowest kill ratio of the battle. After that it wasn't really qualified as a front line day fighter but it was deployed anyways, to the detriment of our brave lads including my father.
@@bobsakamanos4469 yes, the Hurricane was vitally important throughout much of the war, but as a pure fighter it became obsolete as early as 1941. Hurricanes tasked with defending Malta and faced with the new bf109F had a desperately hard time. Some of those Hurricanes were still mark 1s and were little better than death traps for the unfortunate pilots. For too long, the RAF hesitated to deploy spitfires abroad, but eventually Malta told London, either you give us spitfires or we will have to surrender. At last, the RAF commanders listened, and the Royal Navy, assisted twice by the USS Wasp, ferried spitfire Vs to within ferry range of Malta. They turned the tide of the Malta air war under the direction of Sir Keith Park. Hurricanes soldiered on in the ground attack role in some of the more remote theatres of war, notably Burma, where they operated under the cover of spitfire VIIIs, although the RAF began upgrading Hurricane units in India and Burma to the faster and more powerful P-47 thunderbolt
@@bobsakamanos4469 Also the Hurricane was deployed to North Africa, Malta and Burma in large part because of Trafford Leigh-Mallory. He refused to deploy newer Spitfire Mk Vs. to those theatres, at first. He insisted on keeping them in Britain where many were wasted and shot down flying pointless fighter sweeps across German-occupied France.
It was mediocre as a day fighter until late 1940, then became obsolete in that role. Camm knew it's limitations in 1936 and did little to correct it's deficiencies.
It was an incredible time in history! My generation experienced the aftermath through parents, teachers, etc - war torn and rebuilding the country and their lives while raising families. Their youth was taken away, and the effects would be with them throughout their lives. An incredible generation of youngsters - passing on their abilities to make much of little to their children. Almost everything in play for a fifties child was war related!
@alunjones2185 there was an amazing study of the epigenetic changes experienced by those who lived through the war and how those changes impacted the genetics of their children as well. It showed, for example, that people who were born to parents where one or both had survived a concentration camp were significantly more likely to experience a stress disorder as a result. They think it was an epigenetic thing since the results were the same whether or not that person was subsequently raised by the camp survivor or not. There were more interesting correlations found, but that was the one that really stuck out in my head. I know the same team of researchers also tracked the children of people who lived through the great depression (I don't recall how they controlled for those who experienced the war, but they're smart responsible researchers so I assume they did something) and found there was some sort of correlation with eating habits or metabolism as well. It's too long ago for me to recall off the top of my head what the findings were with any accuracy, but it's definitely worth tracking down and having a look if you're into that sort of thing.
@tommytwotacos8106 Hi Tommy, Thanks for this detailed reply. I've researched this at various times, over the years, and recall work on the children of concentration camp survivors. I did interview various veterans who'd repressed wartime experiences but would pass on the effects to family members and experience a return of emotions when experiencing a late-life illness. Good of you to reply! Alun :)
The Gloster Gladiator Mk.2 three bladed propeller was the last British biplane fighter and was very good biplane fighter such as Faith Hope and Charity in Malta (although some say there were six Sea Gladiator three on either side of the island) was the only front line fighter they had to defend the island from the might of Italian air force that was latter joined by Hurricane's and even latter Spitfire's to meet the strength of the German Luftwaffe
The Spitfire mk.1 was overrated, it could not taxi and land very well because of it's narrow based undercarriage and there were more Hurricane's in the Battle of Britain than Spitfire's that could not of won the fight with out the Hurricane that did not only go after the bombers but shoot down many 109's
@richmorg8196 LOL, you need to do some research. The Hurricane had the worst kill ratio of the battle and was a fire trap. It was inadequate in every fighter metric except turn radius, a game that the LW didn't normally play until Goering ordered them to stay close to bombers.
Excellent vid! Thanks. Hawkers were based in Kingston-upon-Thames. There's almost nothing left to celebrate such a history in Kingston other than a few street names and a plaque or two. That's how much pride there is in Hawker's home town and very few people are even aware of it's links to aircraft. Hawker's works sports club is the only remnant, now a YMCA sports center which has a few faded photographs hanging outside the toilets. Meanwhile the factory premises were completely demolished to make way for a soulless cardboard box housing estate. Sad really.
I am incredibly impressed, by the illustrious career of Captain Brown. The expression isn't new, but after practising all the emergency procedures, and having had some of my own harrowing experiences, a pilot still wants to have a little luck. I had an all jet flying career, starting in 1965 on the Canadian Tutor. All the RCAF pilots in my generation, also got to fly the Canadian T-33, with no nosewheel steering, and the Rolls-Royce Nene 10 engine, which had the same engine acceleration problem as was described by Captain Brown. It was still a great aircraft to fly. I flew with a lot of the earlier generation of RCAF pilots who flew the Sabre in Germany, and all of them stated, that the Tutor, was the next best thing to the Sabre in terms of performance and handling. I think that the proof that, is that even though it has been retired as the basic training aircraft, it is still being used by the Canadian demonstration team, The Snowbirds.
@@bobsakamanos4469 I knew Harv May, (Sabre generation), and Bob Stickley, (the RMC course ahead of mine in MJ). My instructor on T-Birds, was Mike Carle (Clunks in Europe).
The myth continues. Patching fabrics holes was quick yes, but the Hurricane had the same vital points (and more) as the Spitfire but was more vulnerable because it was less manouverable and slower. It was also a fire hazard, burning many pilots. In Mar 1940 the RAF was very concerned with its inadequate performance that they issued a directive to increase its overboost to 12 lb. However, the Hurricane lads had to use it often to get better performance and, IF it RTB, it was sidelined for engine inspection. By August engine bearings were burning quickly with the increased op tempo and another directive was issued instructing pilots on the restricted use of the overboost and other flight restrictions. Quick turn around - not so much.
Camm made the same mistake with his next interceptor, the Typhoon, despite knowing the drawbacks of the Hurricane in 1936. The sad shame is that he had 4 years to upgrade the Hurricane. ... A thinner wing, even 15 or 16% T/C ratio would have done it. He also could have burried the radiator a bit to achieve some measure of the Meredith effect, instead of hanging it all out in the wind. It was still a heavy fighter though; about 900 lb heavier than the Spit and much heavier than the 109.
I have seen four bladed propeller Hurricanes and there were number of Mk's of the Hurricane and I have seen a MK4 with four cannon and rockets or small bombs like the Typhoon when I was in the ATC on a day trip to a former RAF airport I think it was Duxford
Poland had ordered some Hurricane I’s. The first from RAF stocks had the 2 bladed propeller. It was to arrive September 1, 1939 at Gydnia. What happened to it is unknown.
One aircraft, L2048, was shipped "in advance" to Poland in July 1939. Presumably that's the aircraft you mean. Further batches of Mk 1s were earmarked by Hawker for the Polish contract, but Poland had collapsed before they were completed. The RAF did not at that time see any use in aircraft with instruments in Polish, so Hawker sold them to Gloster (of Gladiator fame) who converted them, and on sold them to Finland (at that stage, at war with the USSR) in 1940. Next year, Hawker was supplying Hurricanes to the Soviet air force 😊
@@mikebenson1907 Yes, that is the one, the tail number sticks in my mind. As one that builds model kits, I made a Hurricane up in 1/72,scale to resemble it, there was good reference to the camouflage of that period and I replaced the propeller with a 2 bladed type with an appropriate spinner. As it would be a test aircraft, I painted the rudder white, this is what the Poles did on prototype aircraft, and made the assumption that the first aircraft would undergo testing. The Poles had also ordered MS 406 aircraft from France that were supposed to be shipped through Romania but the war ended that shipment as well.
Hawker Hurricane cost £450.00. Supermarine Spitfire cost £950.00. For they money the Hurricane represented amazing value, it's why they were so numerous and a fact that is hardly ever touched on.
and more pilots were lost flying Hurricanes. What was their worth? The reason for the lack of Spitfires had more to do with corporate skullduggery. Look up Lord Nuffield who was fired for delaying construction of Castle Bromwich Factory, while pouring millions into his Nuffield-Napier Saber racer.
He was famously stationed in Germany before the war started, and he had many symbols on his car,,but make no mistake, Eric Brown was a staunch anti Nazi patriot, and quite possibly also a spy for his government. Nothing to read into it really.
Yeah, a great aeroplane that did a lot of work, but remember one fact, the Hurricane could never have won the BoB alone, whereas the Spitfire could have..... Horses for courses....
The Mossie was faster, had more firepower ,much longer range and could fly higher than any hurricane or spitfire in fighter format. Does anyone know why the British did not utilize the Mossie to go after the German bombers instead of the Hurricanes. They could have harassed the bombers all the way home and out ran the 109 fighters and F.W. back to the relative safety of England as long as their timimg was right. They could have lost the navigator and been a lighter aircraft. For that matter why wasnt the Mossie used to excort the heavy bombers to their target Until The dedicated fighters for such a mission were available ? The logistics would have been decently easy. The Mossie could have set at 30,000 ft. Or higher at the coast Waiting for the German bombers to dive on them over the channel. Just wondering....
@@fenman1954 over 7,800 were produced 1942-1945. Merlin engines from Rolls-Royse and Packard were used. The same engines as for P51 Mustangs, Spitfires, Hurricanes and Lancasters.
@@stairgauge Mosquitos were used as night fighters and pathfinders supporting the bomber raids as well as for precision attacks , both night and day. Total production 1942-5 was about 7,800.
the Eric Brown section wrongly says that the speed of sound reduces with height, but it is the reduction in ambient temperature that is respossible . The speed of sound is variable by temperarure...look it up
We do have some redeeming qualities, especially in select individuals, but in the general sense, I'm afraid I have to agree with you. I guess that somewhere in our evolutionary past, our aggressive and hostile nature had survival value and we are evolving to modern times too slowly. When I consider the horrors of ww1 and ww2, not to mention all the smaller wars, I am dismayed.
Too many kids repeat this video's hyperbole word for word. Glory goes to the aircraft (and its designers) that was most effective; ie the Spitfire. The Hurricane was available in more numbers during the BoB ONLY because Lord Nuffield delayed production of Castle Bromwich. One wonders if he had shares in Hawker. ed: Nuffield, while delaying construction of CBF and Spitfire production, had invested £100,000 of his own money in the Nuffield-Napier-Heston racer that was to showcase the Sabre engine to be used in the Hawker Typhoon. Nuffield was certainly invested in the Hawker competion. Camms best solution to meet the requirements of the next gen fighter would have been to update the Hurricane with a Meredith radiator scheme and and thinner wing, both problems of which he was fully aware in 1936. Kudos to the Vintage Wings lads for their restorations.
That's stretching it very thin to say that he had "shares in Hawker". The Napier Sabre was a good engine, for low and medium altitudes. More likely he delayed production as a result of either incompetence, corruption or maybe even the fact that he was a fascist sympathiser. He had no involvement or any influence with Hawker Aircraft at all, simply no evidence for this.
@@Frserthegreenengine £100,000 of his own money to promote Hawker's new Typhoon engine. Not sure of your nationality, but that's 8.2 million in today's US dollars. Businessmen like Morris didn't just throw money away, they expected a return on the investment. Ya, Morris was in league with Hawker. That engine killed not only the Nuffield racer pilot but many other test pilots and operational Typhoon pilots. War profiteers.
@@Frserthegreenengine No, the Sabre was not a good engine. It killed a number of test pilots and more operational pilots than the LW. Nuffield invested the equivalent of $8.2 million of his own money in that effort. Yes, he was expecting a ROI somehow.
Sure y'all mentioned American pilots but conveniently forgot about Poles and Czechs (and about a Czech who considered himself a Pole). I see Brits still need to come to bear with the fact other people saved their hind quarters 😂😂😂
Firstly, don't judge what millions of people think on the basis of a single script-writer. Secondly, yes, Poles and Czechs (and others) contributed enormously but when it comes to the Battle Of Britain the overwhelming majority of pilots were British. Without Polish and Czech contributions the British would have still won. Without British pilots the Poles and Czechs would not have won. Numbers count. As did radar, observation and the control of resources. These things mattered much more than where the pilots were born. By all means appreciate the contributions but not at the cost of ignoring the facts.
@@littlefluffybushbaby7256 without Poles Czechs and others Brits would get overrun and invaded. Inability to achieve the air superiority needed for landing operation was the main reason it got postponed.
Frederick Lanchester, english mathematician/engineer produce a paper on the benefits of the elliptical wing in 1907. Prandtl then cribbed that and produced his own paper in 1918 called the Lanchester-Prandtl wing theory. RJ Mitchell for his part knew all about elliptical wings and had used them since the 1920's.
Not at all. It was elliptical but not exclusively German. Also, the Spitfire's wing was designed by Canadian engineer, Beverly Shenstone. That's a man by the way. Beverly used to be a dual sex name.
@@beeleo I know. If people are going to complain about the music, at least they should know what they're talking about. And pick a video that actually has background music. Geez.
Sorry, I dozed off during the Hurricane doc, and woke up to the interview of the old dude. I keep hearing the narrator refer to this person as being Mr. "Brown", but is this actually fucking Eric "Winkle" Brown that's being interviewed here? I have an old beat to shit copy of his book, but the picture of him on it looks to be 50 years younger than this man is here, and is thus useless to me for purposes of identification. Can anyone tell me, please, whether or not the subject of the interview taking up the latter portion of this upload is actually THE Eric "Winkle" Brown? Thanks, fellow WWII airplane nerds.
Yes, the would be Eric ‘Winkle’ Brown, probably the best test pilot that ever lived. For the record, we have an entire playlist with his interview, and that includes long lost ones as well.
@Dronescapes that's awesome. I've had his book for so long and he's been such a storied individual in my group of plane nerds, that I haven't seen this until now feels like a huge oversight. But, I'm from a time before we had things like TH-cam, and the only interviews I could see were what the library had to show and what they'd play on Discovery Wings or History Channel. This is cool stuff. Thanks, Dronescapes.
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I always put the Hurricane in the same category as its American counterpart the P-40. Underrated and never appreciated for it's contributions to the war effort.
They made great ground attack planes and were hard to break.
Hurricanes were replaced by P-40s as quickly as was possible. P-40 was a second tier fighter, the Hurricane was 3rd tier and never a competetive front line fighter even in 1940.
@@PauloPereira-jj4jv Hurricanes, as fighters, were replaced as much as allowed. First by P-40s in North Africa starting in 1941, and by Spitfires in Britain and Malta (1942). In the CBI, they were kept in use until replaced by Spitfires, P-47's, etc. Like I said, as a front line day fighter, it was obsolete.
@@PauloPereira-jj4jv read my comments again. I refer to fighters. You refer to the attack role needing top cover and air superiority.
😂😂😂@@bobsakamanos4469
I never tire of Cpt. Eric Brown's stories. Amazing man, hero, legend, badass! I'm so glad this history is preserved so well in interviews with him.
The Hawker Hurricane, like the American F-4F Wildcat, had to do the heaviest lifting against the most experienced and confident enemy pilots. They did a damn fine job too! Thanks for showing the Hurricane some well deserved love. ❤️
The young pilots did the "heavy lifting". Kudos to them, having to fly an outdated fighter that was a firetrap.
Thanks to all of the young men and women who sacrificed their lives and their youth for our freedom 😊
My great grandfather flew these aircraft in world war two, with the Royal Air Force 312 (Czechoslovak) Squadron ^^
Not just one of history's greatest aviators, but that inimitable British attitude and spirit. Just a joy to listen to how he presents himself and the work he performed.
I'm an American and I say Capt Brown was the BEST pilot of his generation PERIOD, regardless of citizenship.
Best test pilot, not best fighter pilot.
He fought off Norway and the Bay of Biscay, he was taken off carriers because of his exceptional pilot skills.
@@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935 test pilot skills are not equal to fighter pilots skills. Given time and opportunity, I'm sure he would have been a successful fighter pilot.
Amazing character, massive balls & a real gem.
Capt Brown would be horrified at what the western world has become over recent years. But he reminds us of what we're capable of.
@@andrewstewart9263 Every time I visit my dad's grave, a WW2 vet, I expect to see the ground around him heaved up from all the vets turning over in their graves.
These types of recollections and interviews are priceless captures of the reality of the situation these people found themselves in. Tom Brokaw's "The Greatest Generation" and the sequel/followup, "The Greatest Generations Speaks" captures the backstories, but interviews like this....the honesty and the clearly vivid and accurate memories...are priceless.
Thankyou for sharing, and all the efforts to interview etc. Most people don't appreciate how much effort his takes.
Fabulous, enjoyed every minute,
Glad you enjoyed it
The Hurricane did far more then the Spitfire when one actually looks into it. Without it things would have been a lot different.
Correct.
The Hurricane had the lowest kill ratio of the battle. After that it wasn't really qualified as a front line day fighter but it was deployed anyways, to the detriment of our brave lads including my father.
@@bobsakamanos4469 yes, the Hurricane was vitally important throughout much of the war, but as a pure fighter it became obsolete as early as 1941. Hurricanes tasked with defending Malta and faced with the new bf109F had a desperately hard time. Some of those Hurricanes were still mark 1s and were little better than death traps for the unfortunate pilots. For too long, the RAF hesitated to deploy spitfires abroad, but eventually Malta told London, either you give us spitfires or we will have to surrender. At last, the RAF commanders listened, and the Royal Navy, assisted twice by the USS Wasp, ferried spitfire Vs to within ferry range of Malta. They turned the tide of the Malta air war under the direction of Sir Keith Park.
Hurricanes soldiered on in the ground attack role in some of the more remote theatres of war, notably Burma, where they operated under the cover of spitfire VIIIs, although the RAF began upgrading Hurricane units in India and Burma to the faster and more powerful P-47 thunderbolt
@@bobsakamanos4469 evidence?
@@bobsakamanos4469 Also the Hurricane was deployed to North Africa, Malta and Burma in large part because of Trafford Leigh-Mallory. He refused to deploy newer Spitfire Mk Vs. to those theatres, at first. He insisted on keeping them in Britain where many were wasted and shot down flying pointless fighter sweeps across German-occupied France.
Fantastic fighter aircraft which flew with flying colours wherever it was sent.
It was mediocre as a day fighter until late 1940, then became obsolete in that role. Camm knew it's limitations in 1936 and did little to correct it's deficiencies.
It was an incredible time in history! My generation experienced the aftermath through parents, teachers, etc - war torn and rebuilding the country and their lives while raising families.
Their youth was taken away, and the effects would be with them throughout their lives.
An incredible generation of youngsters - passing on their abilities to make much of little to their children.
Almost everything in play for a fifties child was war related!
@alunjones2185 there was an amazing study of the epigenetic changes experienced by those who lived through the war and how those changes impacted the genetics of their children as well. It showed, for example, that people who were born to parents where one or both had survived a concentration camp were significantly more likely to experience a stress disorder as a result. They think it was an epigenetic thing since the results were the same whether or not that person was subsequently raised by the camp survivor or not. There were more interesting correlations found, but that was the one that really stuck out in my head. I know the same team of researchers also tracked the children of people who lived through the great depression (I don't recall how they controlled for those who experienced the war, but they're smart responsible researchers so I assume they did something) and found there was some sort of correlation with eating habits or metabolism as well. It's too long ago for me to recall off the top of my head what the findings were with any accuracy, but it's definitely worth tracking down and having a look if you're into that sort of thing.
@tommytwotacos8106 Hi Tommy, Thanks for this detailed reply. I've researched this at various times, over the years, and recall work on the children of concentration camp survivors.
I did interview various veterans who'd repressed wartime experiences but would pass on the effects to family members and experience a return of emotions when experiencing a late-life illness.
Good of you to reply!
Alun :)
Very interesting documentary on the Hawker Hurricane, and Captain Brown's career was fascinating to discover.
The Hurricane can turn a tighter circle than a Spitfire
So can a biplane, but that doesn't make it a front line fighter.
@bobsakamanos4469 The Gloster Gladiator was the last and a very good biplane fighter
The Gloster Gladiator Mk.2 three bladed propeller was the last British biplane fighter and was very good biplane fighter such as Faith Hope and Charity in Malta (although some say there were six Sea Gladiator three on either side of the island) was the only front line fighter they had to defend the island from the might of Italian air force that was latter joined by Hurricane's and even latter Spitfire's to meet the strength of the German Luftwaffe
The Spitfire mk.1 was overrated, it could not taxi and land very well because of it's narrow based undercarriage and there were more Hurricane's in the Battle of Britain than Spitfire's that could not of won the fight with out the Hurricane that did not only go after the bombers but shoot down many 109's
@richmorg8196 LOL, you need to do some research. The Hurricane had the worst kill ratio of the battle and was a fire trap. It was inadequate in every fighter metric except turn radius, a game that the LW didn't normally play until Goering ordered them to stay close to bombers.
enjoyed the hawker and jim brown information
A personal favourite. Love it.
The Hurricane was a great aircraft! The IIC varient is my favorite!
It was the backbone of RAF Fighter Command until 1942 and rhe main fighter of British forces in Africa and Asia to 1945.
Good video thank you , found it very interesting 👍
Clever auld lad thanks! Thanks for you intellect right on the ball etc!
Incredible presentation. Thank you very much.
Glad you liked it!
Excellent vid! Thanks. Hawkers were based in Kingston-upon-Thames. There's almost nothing left to celebrate such a history in Kingston other than a few street names and a plaque or two. That's how much pride there is in Hawker's home town and very few people are even aware of it's links to aircraft. Hawker's works sports club is the only remnant, now a YMCA sports center which has a few faded photographs hanging outside the toilets. Meanwhile the factory premises were completely demolished to make way for a soulless cardboard box housing estate. Sad really.
Always overlooked because the Spitfire
I am incredibly impressed, by the illustrious career of Captain Brown. The expression isn't new, but after practising all the emergency procedures, and having had some of my own harrowing experiences, a pilot still wants to have a little luck.
I had an all jet flying career, starting in 1965 on the Canadian Tutor. All the RCAF pilots in my generation, also got to fly the Canadian T-33, with no nosewheel steering, and the Rolls-Royce Nene 10 engine, which had the same engine acceleration problem as was described by Captain Brown. It was still a great aircraft to fly.
I flew with a lot of the earlier generation of RCAF pilots who flew the Sabre in Germany, and all of them stated, that the Tutor, was the next best thing to the Sabre in terms of performance and handling. I think that the proof that, is that even though it has been retired as the basic training aircraft, it is still being used by the Canadian demonstration team, The Snowbirds.
Did you know Jim MacBain? He flew Sabres in Marville, Lorraine. The Mk.5 & 6 were much better than the standard Sabres.
@@bobsakamanos4469 I knew guys that were on squadron in Marville, but I had never met Jim MacBain.
@@jjock3239 short guy, red hair, older than you. How about Harvy May (Clunks) or Bob Stickley (T-33's in Rivers)
@@bobsakamanos4469 I knew Harv May, (Sabre generation), and Bob Stickley, (the RMC course ahead of mine in MJ). My instructor on T-Birds, was Mike Carle (Clunks in Europe).
@@jjock3239 Stick was a great guy. Started (Harvards) and finished (BComd) his career in Penhold.
A fighter pilot who flew the Hurricane in WW11 loved it a stated since it fabric covered it could repaired quickly and back in service.
The myth continues. Patching fabrics holes was quick yes, but the Hurricane had the same vital points (and more) as the Spitfire but was more vulnerable because it was less manouverable and slower. It was also a fire hazard, burning many pilots.
In Mar 1940 the RAF was very concerned with its inadequate performance that they issued a directive to increase its overboost to 12 lb. However, the Hurricane lads had to use it often to get better performance and, IF it RTB, it was sidelined for engine inspection.
By August engine bearings were burning quickly with the increased op tempo and another directive was issued instructing pilots on the restricted use of the overboost and other flight restrictions.
Quick turn around - not so much.
Thats a good comparison & they were both developed around the same time in the mid 30's.
Total respect to Eric Brown
Very cool in color fly over.
Hurricane looks so nice in Finnish air force painting...
Someone tell the string section to lay off please.
If Sydney Camm had used a thinner wing, it’s highly likely the Spitfire would not have looked so much better.
Camm made the same mistake with his next interceptor, the Typhoon, despite knowing the drawbacks of the Hurricane in 1936.
The sad shame is that he had 4 years to upgrade the Hurricane. ... A thinner wing, even 15 or 16% T/C ratio would have done it. He also could have burried the radiator a bit to achieve some measure of the Meredith effect, instead of hanging it all out in the wind. It was still a heavy fighter though; about 900 lb heavier than the Spit and much heavier than the 109.
I have seen four bladed propeller Hurricanes and there were number of Mk's of the Hurricane and I have seen a MK4 with four cannon and rockets or small bombs like the Typhoon when I was in the ATC on a day trip to a former RAF airport I think it was Duxford
I believe the spitfires dealt with the 109s while the Hurricanes brought hell to the German bombers.
Waowwww😮😮😮😮
Poland had ordered some Hurricane I’s. The first from RAF stocks had the 2 bladed propeller. It was to arrive September 1, 1939 at Gydnia. What happened to it is unknown.
One aircraft, L2048, was shipped "in advance" to Poland in July 1939. Presumably that's the aircraft you mean. Further batches of Mk 1s were earmarked by Hawker for the Polish contract, but Poland had collapsed before they were completed. The RAF did not at that time see any use in aircraft with instruments in Polish, so Hawker sold them to Gloster (of Gladiator fame) who converted them, and on sold them to Finland (at that stage, at war with the USSR) in 1940. Next year, Hawker was supplying Hurricanes to the Soviet air force 😊
@@mikebenson1907 Yes, that is the one, the tail number sticks in my mind. As one that builds model kits, I made a Hurricane up in 1/72,scale to resemble it, there was good reference to the camouflage of that period and I replaced the propeller with a 2 bladed type with an appropriate spinner. As it would be a test aircraft, I painted the rudder white, this is what the Poles did on prototype aircraft, and made the assumption that the first aircraft would undergo testing.
The Poles had also ordered MS 406 aircraft from France that were supposed to be shipped through Romania but the war ended that shipment as well.
Sent to the Balkans?
@@michaelmazowiecki9195 Yugoslavia was the first foreign country to purchase Hawker Hurricanes. They bought 12 Mk I’s in 1937.
Hawker Hurricane cost £450.00.
Supermarine Spitfire cost £950.00.
For they money the Hurricane represented amazing value, it's why they were so numerous and a fact that is hardly ever touched on.
and more pilots were lost flying Hurricanes. What was their worth?
The reason for the lack of Spitfires had more to do with corporate skullduggery. Look up Lord Nuffield who was fired for delaying construction of Castle Bromwich Factory, while pouring millions into his Nuffield-Napier Saber racer.
Finally somebody telling it like it really was .
A forgotten Belgian RAF pilot ace, M. Phillipart, with six kills in 4 weeks. flew the Hurricane
Can we have a ten hour compilation next please.
At min.52 look at the symbol on the grille of his old car.😊
Talk about eagle eyed. I think the car is a Bugatti but none of the symbols on the grille spark anything special. What was you referring to?
He was famously stationed in Germany before the war started, and he had many symbols on his car,,but make no mistake, Eric Brown was a staunch anti Nazi patriot, and quite possibly also a spy for his government. Nothing to read into it really.
@@martinpowell2416 Nice little svastika right in the middle, and also check out the registration plate.
They have two chase boats they leave one in the Mediterranean and one FORT LAUDERDALE..
If the hurricane had better armament it would have been a real force . They had tiny guns.
Yeah, a great aeroplane that did a lot of work, but remember one fact, the Hurricane could never have won the BoB alone, whereas the Spitfire could have..... Horses for courses....
The Mossie was faster, had more firepower ,much longer range and could fly higher than any hurricane or spitfire in fighter format.
Does anyone know why the British did not utilize the Mossie to go after the German bombers instead of the Hurricanes. They could have harassed the bombers all the way home and out ran the 109 fighters and F.W. back to the relative safety of England as long as their timimg was right.
They could have lost the navigator and been a lighter aircraft.
For that matter why wasnt the Mossie used to excort the heavy bombers to their target
Until The dedicated fighters for such a mission were available ? The logistics would have been decently easy. The Mossie could have set at 30,000 ft. Or higher at the coast
Waiting for the German bombers to dive on them over the channel.
Just wondering....
We get it you love the Mosquito
Mosquitos were not available in the summer of 1940. Only became operational at the end of 1941.
Lack of numbers of air frames and engines ,
@@fenman1954 over 7,800 were produced 1942-1945. Merlin engines from Rolls-Royse and Packard were used. The same engines as for P51 Mustangs, Spitfires, Hurricanes and Lancasters.
@@stairgauge Mosquitos were used as night fighters and pathfinders supporting the bomber raids as well as for precision attacks , both night and day. Total production 1942-5 was about 7,800.
the Eric Brown section wrongly says that the speed of sound reduces with height, but it is the reduction in ambient temperature that is respossible . The speed of sound is variable by temperarure...look it up
Temperature drops 2degrees Celsius per 1000ft in altitude. So yeah causation
We gave the yanks everything because we owed them money (and their existence etc etc )
Avion de linea
why spitfire is 2 times more expensive
Modern russia looks exactly like fascist Germany of 1940
And Modern Canada and UK are starting to look like USSR of 1940 apart from Angela Merkel's brown boyfriends everywhere.
It's a Hurricane not a Hurricain. Its British please pronounce it correctly.
A rose by any other name
We are a brutal pyschotic doomed species
We do have some redeeming qualities, especially in select individuals, but in the general sense, I'm afraid I have to agree with you. I guess that somewhere in our evolutionary past, our aggressive and hostile nature had survival value and we are evolving to modern times too slowly. When I consider the horrors of ww1 and ww2, not to mention all the smaller wars, I am dismayed.
Too many kids repeat this video's hyperbole word for word.
Glory goes to the aircraft (and its designers) that was most effective; ie the Spitfire. The Hurricane was available in more numbers during the BoB ONLY because Lord Nuffield delayed production of Castle Bromwich. One wonders if he had shares in Hawker.
ed: Nuffield, while delaying construction of CBF and Spitfire production, had invested £100,000 of his own money in the Nuffield-Napier-Heston racer that was to showcase the Sabre engine to be used in the Hawker Typhoon. Nuffield was certainly invested in the Hawker competion.
Camms best solution to meet the requirements of the next gen fighter would have been to update the Hurricane with a Meredith radiator scheme and and thinner wing, both problems of which he was fully aware in 1936.
Kudos to the Vintage Wings lads for their restorations.
That's stretching it very thin to say that he had "shares in Hawker". The Napier Sabre was a good engine, for low and medium altitudes.
More likely he delayed production as a result of either incompetence, corruption or maybe even the fact that he was a fascist sympathiser. He had no involvement or any influence with Hawker Aircraft at all, simply no evidence for this.
@@Frserthegreenengine £100,000 of his own money to promote Hawker's new Typhoon engine. Not sure of your nationality, but that's 8.2 million in today's US dollars. Businessmen like Morris didn't just throw money away, they expected a return on the investment. Ya, Morris was in league with Hawker. That engine killed not only the Nuffield racer pilot but many other test pilots and operational Typhoon pilots. War profiteers.
@@Frserthegreenengine No, the Sabre was not a good engine. It killed a number of test pilots and more operational pilots than the LW. Nuffield invested the equivalent of $8.2 million of his own money in that effort. Yes, he was expecting a ROI somehow.
Sure y'all mentioned American pilots but conveniently forgot about Poles and Czechs (and about a Czech who considered himself a Pole). I see Brits still need to come to bear with the fact other people saved their hind quarters 😂😂😂
Here is the brilliant son of Polish migrants for you. A biography video th-cam.com/video/ghx5-FpXj2g/w-d-xo.htmlsi=olNz0IFHQoyvqGZM
As a brit I have the greatest of respect for Checz and Polish pilots, and the crucial role they played in the early years of the war.
And the Indian pilots and troops as well
Firstly, don't judge what millions of people think on the basis of a single script-writer. Secondly, yes, Poles and Czechs (and others) contributed enormously but when it comes to the Battle Of Britain the overwhelming majority of pilots were British. Without Polish and Czech contributions the British would have still won. Without British pilots the Poles and Czechs would not have won. Numbers count. As did radar, observation and the control of resources. These things mattered much more than where the pilots were born. By all means appreciate the contributions but not at the cost of ignoring the facts.
@@littlefluffybushbaby7256 without Poles Czechs and others Brits would get overrun and invaded. Inability to achieve the air superiority needed for landing operation was the main reason it got postponed.
, the spitfire has a German wing🤔
Nonsense. Do some reading on the facts instead of repeating lies from Netflix pseudo-documentaries..
Frederick Lanchester, english mathematician/engineer produce a paper on the benefits of the elliptical wing in 1907. Prandtl then cribbed that and produced his own paper in 1918 called the Lanchester-Prandtl wing theory. RJ Mitchell for his part knew all about elliptical wings and had used them since the 1920's.
You mean Leigh-Mallory’s 12 Group? That’s a bit strong.
@@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935 stop antagonizing people with uneducated hyperbole.
Not at all. It was elliptical but not exclusively German. Also, the Spitfire's wing was designed by Canadian engineer, Beverly Shenstone. That's a man by the way. Beverly used to be a dual sex name.
Hurri cun. Approximately
Pronounced by british not “ cane”
Back ground music made to eradiating to watch!!!!!
@@beeleo I know. If people are going to complain about the music, at least they should know what they're talking about. And pick a video that actually has background music. Geez.
Eradiating that’s when get you too close while listening to an x ray machine
It is P not B
Sorry, I dozed off during the Hurricane doc, and woke up to the interview of the old dude. I keep hearing the narrator refer to this person as being Mr. "Brown", but is this actually fucking Eric "Winkle" Brown that's being interviewed here? I have an old beat to shit copy of his book, but the picture of him on it looks to be 50 years younger than this man is here, and is thus useless to me for purposes of identification. Can anyone tell me, please, whether or not the subject of the interview taking up the latter portion of this upload is actually THE Eric "Winkle" Brown? Thanks, fellow WWII airplane nerds.
Yes, the would be Eric ‘Winkle’ Brown, probably the best test pilot that ever lived.
For the record, we have an entire playlist with his interview, and that includes long lost ones as well.
@Dronescapes that's awesome. I've had his book for so long and he's been such a storied individual in my group of plane nerds, that I haven't seen this until now feels like a huge oversight. But, I'm from a time before we had things like TH-cam, and the only interviews I could see were what the library had to show and what they'd play on Discovery Wings or History Channel. This is cool stuff. Thanks, Dronescapes.
Here is a playlist:
➤ERIC BROWN VIDEOS: dronescapes.video/EricBrown
Hurricane did not use the Merlin
What do you think it used?
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