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- Educational, historic video of the British Armies 3rd Battalion Royal Anglian Regiment "The Pompadours" Out On The Streets Full Video during their NI Tour November 1986 to March 1987. No political, cultural affiliation or offence intended. Just a good account in troubled times.
Soldier sitting on his bed.......a glorious picture of a bird in full strip (4:27) and the producers didn't even realise they featured a full porn picture in their program! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah showed the usual soldier in his natural habitat no respect no discipline borstal boys
They did know but this was done before the pc brigade took over.
@@northred4930 You melt!
@@Ripper36068 Borstal boys
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Egg banjoes what a moral booster😁😁
Egg banjos
But we're u hard core
Risked
A runny yoke?
Could ruin your day 😂
The squaddies (aka soldiers) deserved much better than what London did for them. (As usual...what a surprise.)
The Irish have deserved a lot better for nearly 900 years but who is counting, eh!
Chris Wilde thank god we never have to see British soldiers again
With ref to Max M's comment, What part of NEVER do you not understand? The Irish very much have the balls to fight when the cause is just or to defend ourselves. I regret to inform Max M that there are still Brit soldiers in Ulster
@@chriswilde7246 OK, whatever. Never gonna see things the same way, you and me. I just can't think of any occasion ever where the British army had to fight Ireland's battles. It seems that all of Ireland's battles have been against the British.
@@chriswilde7246 OK. Good insight, cheers
Funny really... Army life never really varies. No matter what flag you serve under. I can recall doing the same basic chores, duties and whatnot in Iraq, and countless other hotspots. One thing about a warzone, it's mind-numbing boredom with the occasional rush of adrenaline.
Yeah they leave that out of the films.
Watch Jarhead, that's a pretty good representation of what you're talking about. Boredom and drills, it sucks.
I LOVE the British FAL, the L1A1. That gun is just SO cool. I own an American-made version of it: the DSA-58. Compared to the L85, it just looks like a real rifle... To this day, I don't know what the MOD was thinking when they adopted the L85...
I agree fal SLR was a better weapon than sa 80 all it needed was a rail for optics .
@@thecurlew7403 I served with both weapons and the SA80 was an improvement. Far more accurate and yes it had problems but they have long been fixed. People seem to forget that the SLRs were worn out. Zero was a problem with the hinge being worn etc.
Shorter barrel was more convenient for Vehicles which the modern military rely on more now than ever.
Then there was the switch to 5.56 from 7.62 which was another major factor.
I used both in my time as I joined shortly before the SLR was phased out.
I preferred it personally even though I was a Plant Operator in the Engineers.
Gas setting Zero NO STOPPAGES.
They were thinking they wanted a more compact service rifle in the new NATO calibre of 5.56 mm, with the option for full automatic fire.
1:27-1:36
The squaddies are booking it out the door, while the RUC-Man is just taking his sweet time.....
Better he looks like he is the man concentrating on his role.
he is on foot patrol. they are there to cover his back and keep him safe so he can go about his police duties. how often do you see a bobby running down the street in london... unless he is chasing someone of course
@@michaelswann8046 You don't even see that anymore in London, there's not enough old bill around anyway lol..
And that's why a lot of ruc got shot .
@@kevinadamson5768 most got shot off duty when they were ‘ soft’ easy targets. Plus they had to live outside of barracks in communities which often weren’t ideal with many having to leave their homes literally in the middle of the night on occasions - at least the soldiers could return to their barracks!
Someone should show this to the current UK government and ask them if this is what they really want to experience again. Sad times they were. Watching this brought back many memories.
If you read my post I wasn't telling you to shut up, It was directed at Brendan W. And yes I agree us NI vets were not and are not respected for the shit we went through, still I am proud to have served
I was there 1986 Kings Own Royal Border.Just a snip of a lad I was RIP to all who gave all.
I was there in 80...also K. O. B
KOSBYs I thought was the regiments name probably those pen pushers at the MOD amalgamating regiments the cunts were gonna get shot of the black watch .
Takes me back to 79 and Palace Barracks, 2 Pl, A Coy 3 R Anglian. Happy days a young 20 year old.. Helping KOSB at Howard St during the day and dancing the nights away in Bangor. Still in touch with some of the old mob.
Done a tour in 84 got a leave flew back into West Belfast Airport.
No fucker there to pick me up
Airport shut at 2200.
Fuck this for a game of soldiers.
Ditched what I had with me an walked until I hit a brick from rhf.
On my knees etc, hands above head.
They confirmed I was who I said I was.
Dropped me at Palace.
I honestly thought I wasn't going to see another day again
It worked out OK 🤣😂
Guys in back off land-rover were amazed.
You walked through there?
Yes
I played drunk.
Saved my life I know that
I think my own unit had posted me as missing presumed dead.
Sgt that picked me up great guy, was speechless. He just swore a lot,
He thought I'd been taken never to be seen again..
As I told hin fuck that John you owe me a beer. 🤣😂
There is fear an there is fear,
Gun in hand. Managble
No gun no back up on you're own.
Fk I was a good actor..
Yep Remember working with the Anglians out of GCH in 1979.
@@stevecunningham6537 Nowadays You'd get your mobile out and call the cavalry.
Bullet proof vest my arse! I did a total of two years in ulster and only ever got a flack jacket. (Not bullet proof)
Even the INIBA jackets, with plates were Shite too. Was in XMG, 1991/ 2 when he cut a young crow in two with the sniper rifle.
We’re about we’re u Donegal or Cavan or even Monaghan ulster is Irish ya CUNT lucky u didn’t go home in a body bag like the rest of ur foreign invaders
@@poneil6442 lay off the poitín you fucking idiot.
You must be working class.
The IRA never took any POW's. but wanted to be POW's when they were taken.....
catpainblackudder01 because they killed all of the soldiers they saw
Wonder why they did that.
@@johnoriordan7419 Because they're murdering scum......
@@johnoriordan7419 it was because they didn't have the manpower or resources. What good would it have been during the conflict to imprison a British soldier. It wasn't practical, almost never possible and of no advantage in the struggle. That is why they never took prisoners of war. They did upon occasion make a brief arrest during operations if it they deemed it called for. Of course they considered themselves prisoners of war if they were jailed for their involvement. They would liken it to a member of the French resistance being captured (on active duty and because of their activities) by German soldiers during the second World War. Does that answer the question?
@@tomsoki5738 They killed only a small number of the British soldiers they saw BTW. They passed them on the street on a daily basis but only killed when the likelihood of success in their mission was high.
God damn the L1A1 is a looooooong fucking rifle! It looks a full three meters long. I know it's not but, it *looks* that long!
Carry it for a few hours and it felt like three tons too.
Sa80 is heavier and has a longer barrel, even though it's shorter!!
SLR just looks sexier though and eh plenty deadlier!!
Better if you had a SUIT on. BANG, paddy didn’t like 7.62 mm
Bit racist aint ya
Ive been there done two tours 1 Kings own Border brings all my memories back.
I live & was bought up in Northren Ireland & I lived on sa Catholic & Protestant decide but we both where friends & go on with each other no matter the religion & I went to a mixed school & had protestant friends & as you can Guess I’m a Catholic.
I know soldiers & policemen they where dead on & easy to talk to though school & then I have experienced the asshole soldiers as well not all where bad but there where a few.
When I was in my teens a Army Land Rover pulled into the park to start trouble with no police or other units the soldiers where abusive once they left we reported them & we never saw them again.
The country needs to focus & thank the police & army who did their jobs & not remember the ones who caused trouble.
I think the goverment should shame & let the ones breaking the rules be punished this includes all involved in Bloody Sunday cause they are the scum & disgrace of the armed services & they give the good soldiers & police a bad name.
Especially those who have shot innocent children with a plastic bullets , my god forgive him for such an act
The Old sharing around of pen pals! Now that really is a thing of The past!
Yeah never did understand that when I was in Armough. 🤔
The good old days before "picaninny rails" and 30 pounds of shite hanging off your gat.
Say what you like about Northern Ireland but if the army wasn't sent in then there would have been a civil war and that's a fact. The soldiers and police were just trying to keep the peace between warring factions but became the target or pawns in a political game and many lost their lives because of it.
If you believe that then you are deluded.
@@conlaiarla your the one who is deluded pal.
There was a civil war you Doughnut
@@connorboland794 and there would have been more bloodshed if the army weren't called in to quell you crank.
Colonialism, that's what it was, the British invaders were the real terrorists.
I did a few of these patrols in the 70’s great times. And the SLR rifle was one hell of a weapon to have 👍👍👍
Me Bovington 75 --loved my SLR THX mate
Great video showing the life the squaddies faced over there
Yeah murdering borstal boys
@@northred4930 based
@@Oooo-bi7bi No.
@@Oooo-bi7bi Not sure what i was saying no to? My guess is someone has deleted a comment ?
They had a better life than the Catholics.
Any other videos similar to this by other regiments?
We wernt even allowed cameras in the 80s,5 films 24 pics boots the chemist allowed 6, they weren't allowed to develop them., obviously official secrets act etc. But yeah plenty videos on here of grim times.
A walk in the park, for them as a veteran of the British Army, l did three tours of Op Banner, ..73 ..74..75.. when it was a bit lively..Lol.!!
35 seconds in the Entrance to Girdwood barracks and my old street Thorndale Ave.
The back entrance....Stood there for too long!
is that the one between st malachy college and belfast royal academy on the cliftonville road ?
I grew up in Bruce vale
One of the soldiers look downs syndrome...Are they allowed to serve in British Army...Still can't see why not?...I haven't thought bout it....But he def looked like a "special" person...Can anyone tell me please??
They were used for target practice.
10:33 “The army believes finest ingredients. Prepared and presented to be attractive. Some don’t care..”
Ha ha ha now I know this was faked for the camera.
What a mess in the soldiers quarters :O furniture old and worn how can politicians let the Soldiers live under such conditions , at least the Food looks 1st class by military standards of the time.
Yes food was ok, free as well, field conditions. Can't remember how much NI pay was back in 79, think we cleared about £220 a month which for a young lad was good money. You worked more less 6 days a week so didn't have much time to spend it even on an 18 month tour.
Accom was only temp so made do,the food was always top notch on tour and plenty of it. Lived like millionaires for a month when we got back.
my old bn a few faces i remember
Phenomenal changes have come about, I can relate to this kind of soldiering but also soldiering during the Internet/smart phone revolution ... Watching this seems a lifetime away
Nah I don't think you can relate to a tour in NI in 80s
No disrespect ment 🤣😂
But go fuck youreself.
If you wernt there shut the fk up.
I try to talk about it with a brother who did Afghan. Some things are very similar. The fear. The humour. The snco's. The new Rupert. Fun and games.
4:27 Just think, some youtuber may see this lady showing off her wares, and in shock say "Oh my word!! That's my grandmother!!!".
And then seek therapy for it!
Kudos to the Royal Anglian Regiment .........Respect !
A huge amount was made by the Government of the "extra" pay. Total rubbish, we worked every hour. Food was chips, beans. peocessed sausages and eggs. it was shite! We were put between a population without real training. I did subsequent tours and found when I was infantry, I knew nothing, pawn to slaughter. I made a difference working later, mainly against the ira drug trade. Still Army, working for different people!
Excellent video
Bread street, what a view from the Divis.
Nostalgia but Hefty.
What a pointless waste of life and money!
I served the same time as this but on the border with the Scots Guards near Crossmaglen.
How different was it to Belfast?
@@BigSupremePacHamster it was mainly countryside with small villages dotted about . Manning checkpoints and patrols .
@Yourda 473i of course we did.
@Yourda 473i very.
@Yourda 473i no that was mainly Belfast . Rubber bullets were effective in training.
All the Fours, The Pompadours!!
Up the ol’ red rooster, more piss!!!!
Seeing a pencil sharpened at both ends takes me back.
Essential in the field with a waterproof notepad📝
@@james9311 and model kit.
@@dulls8475 green string and foot powder
@@james9311 cam cream and sowing kit...
No matter what anyone thinks - dissident republicans or loyalists - they did a dangerous job - rightly or wrongly. Generally, as a Catholic in the North, the army were liked better than the Police (some of them good also) or the hated UDR.
As a civilian from West Belfast the very mention of The RUC a deeply sectarian paramilitary force, chills my blood. A situation was created in which members of a 100 per cent Unionist sectarian force were able to vent their hatred for the catholic population under the guise of police officers. Like their UDR counterparts they were so notorious that their very titles were changed to PSNI AND RIR in an effort to shed their notoriety.
Wouldnt have mattered if he was Muslim, he was part of a sectarian force who constantly harrassed the catholic population, and colluded with loyalist paramilitaries, in the murder of catholic CIVILIANS, FACT! But what would I know? I just lived there!
And the nationalist population were 99 per cent what?
Balls.There were many Catholics who served in both the RUC and the UDR. Many a time I was on the receiving end of an RUC man's boot or baton and I'm a Protestant!
@Straight White British Protestant So, are you saying that it is/was OK to harass Nationalists or part of their job to do so? Is being Irish and wanting to see an end to the partition of Ireland a crime. Is it a crime to simply not like the police force? Any police force is supposed to be entirely neutral in carrying out their duties.
Was any of u guys stationed at woodburn?
@Soldier G I was from Suffolk, the good side lol ,thanks for everything you did mate 👍👍👍👍👍
Bods hard targetting and the the RUC bod mooches out the gate..... brilliant.
Aye the ruc guy that goes home to look under his car every morning or wait for a bullet through his window..
I grew up in northern Ireland from late 70s to mid 80s . This brings back so many memories. Always a helicopter above. Army patrols popping up from nowhere. Watching the soldiers running out from barracks was something you saw all the time. However what makes me laugh now is when the PARAs where over, they'd just casually walk out ! None of this running. Daft but showed they meant business. Big salute to all our boys and girls that took part in Op Banner!
Apparently hard targeting is for crap hats.
I bet the Paras hard targeted like everyone else....
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The british need to keep their hands off of ireland
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I never see a member of a British combat arm and think they look like a bag of shit or a christmas tree (I.e. have the worlds supply of tacticool toys attached to themselves). That's a compliement by the way.
If I'm really honest I suspect that over all they are the best infantry in the world.
As an Aussie it pains me to say that.
We are jack of all trade soldiers. We have the foundations to be versatile as we have to cover so many different types of training from this to fighting a conventional war. Every 2 years we changed rolls. Just as you were getting good at one thing you moved on to another roll. So you may go from armoured infantry to Artic Warfare training as spearhead, or to NI for a tour. Completely different training.
Downtime was so boring.
@@YorkieLad Weekends on patrol with the DMSU 👌
This teaches me once more what I have come to know about what life is like for British soldiers. The pay should be a whole lot better and so should everything else have been better for them. They are always at the top of my list for favorite people. I believe that I shouldn't divulge too much personal emotional stuff let's just say I am hyper emotional about this and all situations. I fully and firmly side with my Anglo brothers. I am glad to say I never served my country America because it's a fool's country. We don't have any of the brilliance of UK and Europe, but there are good people too. People need people- remember that.
Benjamin Blake Mitchner just goes to show how brainwashed the British public are, especially the working class, I watched them recruiting kids with nothing out side DHSS offices promising them a career and a medal and sign them up to kill for them, the ones that survived ended up on heavy medication with no help, these working class areas are left with no hope, no jobs, and no future with food banks, created for this reason, ripe for the picking!!
@@garethcullen9604 ?? Why
Loved my SLR
Yeh should be paid to take over shoot kids and use kids as shields against the ira deffo top lads
You would side with your Anglo brothers, being descendant from land thieves, enslavers and people who carried out genocide in the "Americas". Ireland for the Irish.
Being in the army was one of the hardest jobs I never did
Should have got a real job then.
Having been there you must have had a sheltered life
Slightly before my time. 86/87. I joined up 1990. Royal Regiment of fusiiers. Cracking video.
Was you trained at Bassingbourn?
@@chriswilde7246 yes. Then ITB/ITCB OUSTON.
@@chriswilde7246 Yep. Bassingbourn in Royston. Then trained few miles out of Newcastle on Otterburn etc sure the place was called OUSTON.
@@CARLIN4737 Was just wondering, I was at bassingbourn end 81.. Thanks for that, take care mate..
OAFAAF
All the fours !!!!
The UFF were very active in 86/87/88
PRO PAINTER not as active as the PIRA that’s for sure.
@@JB-qr2jq Republicans killed 721 civilians and loyalists killed 878 civilians - not as active?
@@JB-qr2jq Loyalists were murdering more than the Pira from 85 till the GFA the Pira bombs that's blew up manchester city centre and canary wharf causing tens of billions of damage
leggie spbfb what you said is totally wrong. The only year the loyalists out killed republicans was 1993. The period 85 to 90 was one of increased IRA activity with the Libyan weaponry.
Gabriel Kelly you speak of loyalists as if they were one group. The UDA and UFF were different organisations, albeit both mainly targeted innocents civilians. PIRA themselves had a higher death rate than any other organisation .
Essex Boys - the real ones...
Still rainy I see..lol
I don't think it ever stops!
Always rained in NI even in the 80’s
Lads on sunbeds back in the 80s??
I remember it was in to have that “sunbed orange”tan back in the late 80s. 😄
Topped up with caratin tanning pills i bet ha
Did the narrator do the klangers too, quite fitting
At least they could fit into a uniform and land rover.......unlike you
Good wee video and much of it was what a done on 82/83 tour of West Belfast.Great to come in at night and have an egg banjo. 1 Black Watch
Every time i have one i always thing of the end of a patrol....sort of miss being young.
What bases of the army please?
I would have thought that by late 1986 all British soldiers in Northern Ireland would have been armed with the SA80 and not the SLR ( FN FAL) .
Would you?
No i think it only really came in 87/88 ish
And I would have thought that after more than 800 years they would have ngot te message and fucked off home to England
No, i was on this tour, we went to SA80 shortly after our return to Germany
God them snatch landi s done some miles they even went to it 🇮🇶 not for purpose 👍👍
They aren't Snatches there APVs fully armour plated used in West Belfast and Londonderry much better protected
was a 18,19 year old back then ! working as a milkman,!!
Not delivering petrol bombs I hope lol
Looks like Miles Platting in Manchester.
bascet1 but less dangerous
Fucking lolololol. 😂 safer in Belfast.
Minutes 14:55 to 15:05 is Springhill Avenue in West Belfast. Springhill Avenue in the late 80's and 90's was a stronghold of Irish Republican Resistance to british rule and as a result was known as 'Little Beirut'. Springhill Avenue was well known for the 'Féile an Phobail' ('The People's Festival') and the militant setting for a festival comprising of Rebel music, the visit every August of Black reggae bands from Bristol who sang Irish Rebel music reggae style. A 'show of strength' was a regular feature on the stage or amongst the people at the festival. Féile an Phobail represented the true mass character of the Republican Struggle and people despite british propaganda claiming the opposite. I used to stay in one of the houses on the left at minute 14:56 - At minute 14:59 is a very young 'John Curran'. Not having seen him in many years, I knew him way back in the 90's. John was a former POW who served time in english prisons (in england, not in Ireland). Should John or his wide family circle read this, keep well and strong mo chairde!
He died in 2007
Was there in 86 with 2 Welsh Guards and Xray 45 Commando. Dont remember the Anglians at all.
Strange, my dad was with the royal Anglians and he mentioned that his commanding officer had been on tour in Northern Ireland.
We took over from the Anglians in South Armagh. Scots guards.
The Anglians took over from us in south armagh early 87. I was 1 scots guards .
That's a lot of Belfast footage there, mixed up. I think the Film editors just mixed a of of general scenes seeing as you guys say they were in South Armagh.
Every time i have an Egg Banjo, it reminds me of being in South Armagh, or a Pot Noodle, we lived on those thing when the Cook house was closed, it was Boxes of Eggs, loafs of bread in the Kitchens open 24/7 11 platoon-C Coy -2nd Bn Queens Rgt: N.I Tour 1980
Coming back in after a 4 or 5 day patrol and waking up the duty cook to make eggs banjos and chips. Hot food after days of rat packs.....Lovely
@@KP-viking88 Memories we remember.
Stay safe Mucker.
@@truckertom3323 Egg banjos are still one of my comfort foods.
Once did a straight 12 nights out on patrol, getting resupplied at the Golf Towers.
And you chap!
@@KP-viking88 Egg Bango is the same here, something to be savoured, done to perfection.(with HP Brown Sauce)
And same with the 7-14 days out on the rural patrols, 19 yrs old, fit and clued up. The Re supply would be done via/as a VCP at grid references given during briefing, water/rations etc, then scurry back into the Green Gauze bushes, with the yellow flowers,and thorns! then lay up.
60 in July me, but remember everything like it was yesterday, PTSD was something i never thought about, i am still on patrol, in my head, looking for the Gun men.
Even my missus knows what an egg banjo is now. God's gift to cuisine.
Not the brightest, somehow never realised that defending the country does not include repressing its citizens
Remember these days well I was s serving para
3rd Battalion looked like a very smart unit here.
Bullshit. From the outset this is painted as a religious conflict. The reality of it was political with religious undertones. The vast majority of Catholics are Irish nationalists / republicans. The vast majority of Protestants are unionist / loyalists. The fight was very much political at its core. 1 side wanted out of the UK and to unite Ireland, the other side wanted to remain in the UK and keep partition. The religious element was never that important. If someone says Catholic or Protestant its usually in reference to political stances.
Also it's painted as some sort of peace-keeping mission, when the British general Frank Kitson himself would disagree considering he said;
" *Peace-keeping does not involve the activities of an army which formally attacks one or both parties* to a dispute in order to halt it, because although this might be done with a view to re-establish peace, *the activity itself would be a warlike one and would be of a totally different nature to a peace-keeping operation* ...not only does the establishment of *a peace-keeping force have to be acceptable to the parties to the dispute, but also the nationalities of the contingents has to be agreed upon* aswell." - General Frank Kitson
The British army were here to back-up the RUC and when they talk about establishing peace it means within a British framework against the will of the Irish people, and in favour of the unionist demographic - one sixth of the Irish population on this island, who were given a statelet under threats from England and intimidation from unionists in Ireland (the minority) which led to partition and the creation of a gerrymandered statelet called "Northern Ireland" rigged specifically to give unionists a majority within its border.
This statelet was run like an apartheid regime from its birth in the early 1920s and trouble really only flared up in the North around the Civil Rights protests which were beat off the streets by a unionist majority police force, a police force who also aided loyalist mobs to burn nationalists homes to the ground. Then you had the IRA.
It's just myself, so it when church's(darkley) , fish shops(Shankill Rd) or guys returning from work(Kingsmill) are gunned down its nothing to do with politics and everything to do with religion that's only 3 out of hundreds of incidents of sectarianism on both sides.
The Shankill bomb never killed any UDA it was a bomb taken into a packed shop full of innocent people the UDA meeting place was upstairs why not attempt to gain entry or put a Asu near it and catch them going in and shoot them, as I said in my previous comment its only 3 out of hundreds of incidents on both sides,the days of the United Irishmen were forgotten by the Provos and the INLA it was murder a planter simple as that mate the other side no better.
LEGGIE YTPOWERY The majority of people the IRA (& INLA) killed were soldiers, cops, agents and paramilitarys. They killed around 2000 people, about 700 of that were civilians, about 1000 security forces, the rest were largely paramilitary. Loyalists killed about 1000, near 900 were civilians. See the difference? 90% of deaths caused by loyalists were innocent people, often targeted just because they happened to be in a certain place and were assumed to be Catholic / nationalist / republican.
Like I already said about the Shankill bomb, it went off early. Mistakes were made, that much is clear. I'm not in the IRA, so I don't know why they didn't put a few men on the Shankill but its more than likely because they'd be found out and lynched, being suspicous and unknown to everyone around them, sitting outside the UDA's HQ. Alarm bells would ring. Nationalist area's were similar in that they knew when strange cars or people were in the area so my best guess is they wanted to get in and get out. Remember too, the IRA weren't that well trained. Shitloads of the UVF and UDA were members of the British armys UDR, Michael Stone had been in the Cadets, Gusty Spence was ex-army and still with their military training had their share of fuck-ups.
I'm not saying every murder was political because often it was simply reprisals for the death of civilians, which if you look at the numbers you'll see the UDA and UVF were clearly trying to push pressure on the nationalist community and at the same time provoking the IRA into retaliation. You may argue with that and say it was purely sectarian but for the most part I disagree, but I accept there were a number of incidents.
Look up the main massacres if you don't believe me, you'll mostly see one side committing an attorocity followed by the other side hitting back in a similar way. Usually it was loyalists who killed a load of civilians and the IRA answered back in kind. People can accept the death of an IRA, UDA, UVF, INLA, RUC or Brit soldier but intentionally targeting civilians is not acceptable to the majority of people including myself, and given the 900 out of 1000 people loyalists killed being innocent it should be clear to see who was targeting civilians in a sectarian rather than political fashion.
"...at the time, the attitude was that if you couldn't get an IRA man you should shoot a taig, he's your last resort" - Gusty Spence (UVF commander)
When the Troubles were beginning around 68 the Official IRA were Marxist, they didn't want fighting between the working class nationalist and loyalist communities, they wanted to bring them together but with loyalist mobs attacking nationalist areas under the eyes of the RUC and B-Specials, who sometimes took part in the attack, some IRA men broke ranks in an attempt to defend areas - this is where the Provos began.
Both sides done some terrible shit, no doubt. But when you really look into it you'll find loyalists were the aggressor, and I don't even mean paramilitary attacks, i'm talking about before the shit really hit the fan when British soldiers were sent in to protect the nationalist community, in a statelet that was set up in the 20s which discriminated against Catholics / nationalists in jobs, housing and voting. What happened when nationalists marched for their Civil Rights? The (majority loyalist) cops beat them off the streets. Northern Ireland, in the eyes of unionism at the time was a "Protestant Parliament for Protestant people". Even your English counter-parts termed it "a mild form of tyranny".
Plus even if you look at the war of 1919-21 you'll see most people the IRA targeted and killed were army or police, whereas the British could rarely locate any IRA men and often killed civilians in reprisals. I don't really understand why the Brits and loyalists are so fond of attacking civilians but if you read history thats what happened time and time again, always in higher percentages than the IRA.
You can disagree with me all you want lad but i've spent the last few years reading up on this sort of thing, read a few dozens books on Ireland covering the past 100 years mostly, then another couple dozen books on similar conflicts, some books on guerrilla warfare written by insurgents, some books about counter-insurgency written by soldiers. I've looked up statistics and watched scores of documentaries, plus I actually live in Belfast so i've heard plenty of oral history and not just from republicans, i've worked in the homes of people linked to the IRA aswell as the UDA and given i've got an Irish first name its not like they were unaware of what my politics might be, things were always civil.
And don't get me wrong, i've had several run-ins with ex-IRA men and old republicans, one of which was just the other week in a bar where he said something about religion and I started on him, telling him what I told you - republicanism is not about a Catholic Ireland, it was to create a state for all people. Yer man got right up in my face askin how old I am and telling me "I lived through it!" so I told him "and what? I was born into and lived through plenty - you're still talkin shite".
I'm not bitter, i'm not sectarian, i'm not religious, I don't support violence against innocent people but I am a republican and I accept there were plenty of things that should never have taken place, essentially the murder of civilians intentionally. There was alot of lives lost through human error, either going off early (like Shankill) or warnings not recived in time. But had the IRA wanted to operate in the same way as loyalists, targeting civilians intentionally, they could have easily killed tens of thousands of civilians if they really wanted to.
Read history, look at the stats, you'll see what I mean. Loyalists were worse than Republicans, I have no doubt about that but even still I acknowledge republicans did some horrific shit, sometimes accidentally, sometimes intentionally but still they killed a higher number of security forces (about 1000) and less civilians (700) than their loyalist counter-parts. Loyalists did horrific shit most of the time and intentionally aimed for civilians, hence the 90% in contrast to the IRAs 30% odd and the IRA (& INLA) had twice the body-count (around 2000) compared to loyalists' 1000 odd.
Cheers..
Sas Mcdade twat
They were the pawns in the game. Generally working class people carrying out the will of their masters to support a corrupt state. A shameful episode.
They volunteered sprout....leave it.
Get a job .
Yeah I remember driving potatoes through spud cruncher land.. yup it was actually dangerous.
I nursed a soldier in the RVH who’d been in a “ pig” doing a resupply to an out station when a mortar came in the side of the wagon. Fortunately he lived to tell the tale! First time I met him I said “ I hear you tried to catch a rocket” and he really laughed despite his injuries. Great guy.
I was there then , The Greenjackets
I was on that tour
Lets leave history aside as we are both entitled to our views. One current issue for loyalists is, that the demographics are changing so fast that you will soon be the minority. So, you either embrace your nationalist neighbours to encourage them to want to remain in the UK or, we in the South, need to make you feel like equal citizens in a new Ireland. As far as lm concerned you would be welcome in our new state! The choice will be taken out of your hands unless you make nationalists feel that you are their friends. Cormac
Cormaca macdonncha Know that we won’t go into a united ireland quietly.
Good comment, Cormac.
@@shankill178
Howya Sam, it's you prerogative to either make NI a positive place for Nationalists or to bring violence back to the streets if you are out voted. You need to start thinking strategically about the future.
@@cormacmacdonncha1052 You will need to get the Republic out of the EU firstly, then something could happen.
@@shankill178 Howya Sam, you are very entitled to this peaceful view. My comment to you is that you either embrace Nationists love for the Irish language inside a new 'equal' Northern Ireland, or, if you dont, the number of mild Nationalists wanting to join a united Ireland will increase to become an overall majority. Your choice - you seem to be lacking a strategy and driving the North into a permanent state of 'us and them' for the next generations.
Thank you for everything you have done for us. Its not right you soldiers getting prosecuted
Why not ... if they broke the rules of engagement? Should there be no accountability for those british troops that killed because they were filled with anti Irish propaganda and hatred? Those that acted responsibly have nothing to fear from the law. Irish people have seen British troops getting away with murder in every century. We dont expect any justice from British courts this time either.
Brits are not above the law.
@@cormacmacdonncha1052 well said.
ex 1st royal Anglian 70 to 71 Ireland SLR the best weapon in the world, SA80 load of crap.
True, but for vehicle operations, Id take the SA80.
CQB too.
Im from the SA80 era althought the A2 was much improved cocking handle and H+k plus gas parts worked much better you darnt lay down the old A1 the wrong way down the cocking handle would drop out a absolute bag of shit it was ha ive fired an SLR on a range proper weapon although like you said i bet it was hard work on CQB or in a vehicle
Madness that this went on for so long with no end in sight and obviously limitless new recruits to the ira. Only possible solutions were to a) remove the entire nationalist population and build an impregnable border wall, or b) come to a political deal like the good Friday agreement - a real shame it took 30 years.
Or just get out of Ireland. pretty simple ehhhh?
Why was your 1st choice to remove the indigenous. Stright in there with the genocide and ethnic cleansing like a true coloniser. that kind of thing is the reason there is a mess today, duuuuuuuuuuuhhhh
Great footage of typical squaddies doing a tough job, in tough conditions but just getting on with it and laughing/joking. I'd have loved to have been there with them.
No you wouldn't and I volunteered for it lol! I must've been mad.
There wasn't a lot off laughing or joking my friend.
Wasn't the way it was.
Frankie goes to Hollywood was number 1 during a tour summed life up 🤣😂
Welcome to the pleasure zone.
An never volunteer for fk all.
look at the flag on the wall @8.36 Jesses no wounder they didn't like us
That music sucks.
Does anybody remember, when foot patrols moved from berets to hard helmets?
When better, more stable helmets were provided, round about the period of this film. The troops seen here are wearing helmets developed specifically for NI duties.
We had helmets on constantly when I was there in 97
@@alex1975uk Thank you for your reply, appreciated
@@japhfo thanks for the reply
I always found the Anglian regiments to be of low standards when I served. This video proves that point of view even further.
I think they’re one of the better line infantry regiments nowadays
@@Osama-Bon-Jovi-01 The gap between what you think and the facts are as long as the distance between the moon and Polaris my friend.
Did you fail to get into the TA?
I served in the regular army and did not apply to join. From my observations, I have found the practices of the Anglians to be subpar. I apologize if my statement causes any discomfort, but I am simply expressing my honest observations and opinions cupcake.
@@SimDeck So your elite regiment was? I am guessing it is the 2nd Bn TA Armchair Regiment.
Brexit
2 whole months of 'intensive' training, oh my gosh.
Pre-tour training was tough,the training teams really put you through it. Remember these where already trained soldiers.
They are not talking about basic training sputum.
NITRG tour specific training not basic training, ignorant fool
As an American that grew up around firearms I'm cringing watching these British soldiers muzzle sweeping each other and civilians. Not to mention downright aiming at civilians including children. Gosh, whatever could the Irish people have been so miffed about???? I have always hated the IRA as well, so I'm not giving either group a pass for their terrible practices and behavior when it comes to avoiding civilian casualties.
Phessupp@ A yank preaching about civilian casulaties! behave. The most ill disciplined trigger happy bunch on the planet.
All this to sell a hair product?
Muca eachtrannach,
In two wars alomst 100k irsh men died fighting in the British army for freedom of small Nations what a Lie
They cant get to grips with this fact mate!
I thought a lot of men from northern ireland served in the wars
@@raleighburner1589 men from all over Ireland served. My grandad from County Meath was in the royal engineers 1914 to 1919, and served in Gallipoli amongst others. Brave men.
And then god said, "let there be a jacket of green" and 2RGJ arrived, and god saw that this was good
Right regiment but 3RGJ was better lol
WELL WE WERE THE BEST EX ANTI TANKS 2RGJ
i dont care how many english come here as ordinary folk but you have no right to be here as an invading army like i say we have a lot in common but not while you wear the uniform that represents an establishment that oppressed my people for centuries
I dont mind if you want to invade us...give it ago.
Thought 3rd Btn were steelybacks ?
1st is the Vikings, 2nd is Poachers, 3rd was pompadours
@@KP-viking88 yeah I know 1st and 2nd I'm ex mob myself guess just a bit to young lol
@@Lineandsinker87 I have a vague memory that steelbacks was either a company name (in the 2nd batt.) or back in the 60's the Regt. had a "super"company called it.
@@KP-viking88 yeah way before my time I'm an early 80's baby lol didn't sign up until '03 2 RLC close support sqn/Logistics support regt
@@Lineandsinker87 I never knew the army called themselves the mob as well. I thought it was just the navy that did.
Ireland 🇮🇪 and her people. Will be united. .☘️
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I would like to see how soldiers would behave if there was an occupying force in the Home Counties
Peacekeepers*
I thank the british army for making me live in peace and everything they done for the country
What`s that ? Nothing is happening on street and They are running like on battlefield hahahha They were scared too much ?? hhahaha
Protocol. I'd like to see you stand still for too long in that country whilst wearing British army uniform. 🤪
@@colin...101 It was a protocol ? Thank You for clearing up.
Never heard of snipers. Never scared. Look at 10 year anniversary of internment, West Belfast 79, 2 Pl, A Coy 3 R Anglian, Proud to have served with such brave lads.
Bless all you guys for protecting us in our troubled times x
So it's difficult being an army of occupation, who knew?
Shame on these people to this on now.
Backshooters
8:44 It is obvious, these were no "peace keepers"
For having the flag of the place they were ‘defending’ ?
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1382070/I-fired-shots-on-Bloody-Sunday-says-IRA-man.html
Its obvious they were, the evidence is that they came to stop the Irish killing each other and left when the IRA surrendered.
@@Kyteasahigh only if you change the reasons they were fighting for in the first place, a cheap lie to cover failure.
It's not religion... Its British rule in Ireland
Ireland nothern 6 counties so much better since the Germanic crown mercenaries left.
No wonder they caused so much trouble, and to think the typical brit squaddy was typically even more ignorant in the 1970's
Up to half of the 12,000 recruits each year are at or below levels expected of 11-year-olds, the report says. The report - Army Basic Skills Provision: Whole Organisation Approach, Lessons Learnt - found that while half of Army recruits had the basic skills of primary school leavers, up to 9% were at the lower standard expected of seven and eight-year-olds.
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6418683.stm
Irish aware you don't need to be Einstein to shoot some fucker.
@@kevinadamson5768 I agree like when PIRA shot a mother of ten you mean?.
fun fact: the PIRA killed more roman catholics during the troubles than the british army
I am an ex squaddie and i am thick. Completely agree. Imagine how it would have felt for the IRA when we outwitted them.....