Josh Pate's ACC Program Power Rankings (Late Kick Cut)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- The ACC is expanding with the addition of SMU, Stanford, and Cal. On Late Kick Live Ep 482 Josh Pate ranked all 17 programs using a rolling 3-year blended set of criteria including on-field performance, talent acquisition, resource pool, and stability. With FSU and Clemson set atop the Big Ten, is there another team joining the top tier? How do the next tiers shake out? Has Mario Cristobal gotten Miami in position to win big on the field? What about the sneaky job NC State has done? Where do programs like North Carolina and Virginia Tech stack up? Could a turnaround be in the cards for Georgia Tech? Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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Thank you for recognizing my Pack. I think a reasonable position at #3.
NCST has been constantly good, sometimes you don't realize how good they are until towards the end of each season...
So do I. State is tough as nails.
Pray that someone loves you the way Josh loves Mario and The U 😍
No arguments with the order this is spot on. Only difference between how I had them ranked and yours was I didn't have a tier 2 and all schools were 1 tier lower for mine.
Was expecting more GT disrespect from geoff Collin’s best buddy. #13 is just disrespectful. Dude never paid attention to tech football and just placed them somewhere.
bruh fr
Mr pate love to hear more about Miami
Thank you brother! Louisville will see you back in the ACC championship game!
Louisville should be #3
yup. That is my biggest complaint of this list. Georgia Tech probably also 1 tier too low but I get it because 2 years ago they were complete joke team. But yea he had tier 2 perfect if he put Louisville at 3 and moved NCSU to 4 and Miami to 5 it makes alot more sense. I would still keep Miami ahead of UNC even though UNC beats them on the field last couple years because Miami bringing in talent while UNC regressing.
How can you effectively rank portal classes unless you also account for the losses to the roster?
Teams that do well in the portal are usually trimming fat when they lose guys to the portal. I can't think of a single portal loss FSU has had in the last 3 years who would of been a starter. Losing Vance this year hurt at little at nickle as he was likely the #2 nickle. Nobody else leaving hurt them at all. I bet it is the same for most good portal teams.
A part of me as a FSU fan and alumni, it makes me proud to say that we have retaken the ACC. It’s been a long time coming, but the other part of me, can’t wait until we exit the ACC.
You have not come close to retaking the ACC.
@@dislikebutton7834lol who beat them?? 🤡😂🤦🏼♂️
@@dislikebutton7834I mean, FSU has won the ACC 16 times since they joined in 1992. The closest team behind them is Clemson with 8. They have owned the ACC the past couple decades.
@@dislikebutton7834 who won the ACC on the field last season? FSU
@@tomdemay6147 the first time in a decade 😂 and they barely got by a Clemson team having the worst season in forever in OT. Yall are still trash and that’s why you didn’t make the playoffs
As a Tar Heels fan, I can't even be mad. So much wasted potential.
0:16 what happens when Florida State goes to the BIG 10?
The ACC goes under lol
That's the same thing as saying, "What if the moon is made of cheese?" In other words, don't hold your breath waiting for it to happen, pal.
@@dennislopez1272 another delusional cane
@@dennislopez1272 Florida State is "supposed" to be going to the BIG 10 in 2025
@aaronwestbury I'm "supposed" to win the lotto at some point, too.
Josh is a company man! He gonna speak that company narrative.
what narrative?
Goooo NOLES!
GT is not tier 4. We will beat FSU in Ireland to start the year, and currently have a top 14 recruiting class. Key is building something special in Atlanta.
They are for now.
Class rankings are a funny thing. The 247 ranking for GT is #26 with 20 commits (17 3 stars and 3 4 stars)with a average ranking of 87.08. FSU is 17th currently. But here is the difference, they only have 12 commits (1 5star, 10 4star, 1 3 star) with an average ranking of 92.89. Clemson has similar numbers just some more commits. As schools fill up their rosters the positions will change drastically.
I do like what GT ia doing right now. Maybe they beat FSU in Ireland. It's a weird game with FSU breaking in a bunch of young guys. We'll see. Maybe GT is in contention for a conference title. Until then, they are what they have shown. I think they'll be a tough out for any ACC team this year but we don't know until we see it. If that GT defense doesn't learn how to stop the run FSU will blow them out. I think FSU would be happy throwing about 15 times a game if they could. They like their oline and love the running back room.
This is the last year you will have Louisville in tier 2.
Elliott is building something special at UVA, but it will take time. There have been legit signs of progress but UVA is a very tough place to win with the academic requirements and whatnot. The tragedy completely resets his clock and the way the last year should be viewed IMO. Not gonna argue with the ranking, 17 is definitely correct for right now but to say there’s not even a pulse shows no one on your staff has payed a lick of attention to anything going on with this program. Not that I’d expect anything different with the absurd bias that this show exhibits regularly
Fair on Miami, like usual. Good stuff 👍
Damn, go Cal though.
🦃 Gobblers VT, baby.
Miami isnt 4
Based on history this accurate. I don’t believe FSU roster was/is built for sustain success which is why you get a bowl like that when 8-9 players sit out. Clemson talent is not where it was, I believe Louisville and Miami will become the leader of the ACC. #63-3
Oh more than that sat out. If you don't understand why then don't comment. FSU had to use the portal when Norvell got there because Jimbo burned the place down when he left. They needed a whole new roster becauae the culture was so bad. The pendulum is swinging with more home grown talent finally starting to rise to the top. It takes a few years to rebuild a program that was that low. Now FSU will be able to lean on the portal less.
NC State over Louisville is comical, basically saying you don’t know anything about ACC football without saying
Maybe you weren't paying attention. This is based on what these programs have done over the last 3 years. And given that only Clemson & NC State has had above .500 record for those 3 years. So...
@@tremoore61 I was paying attention but also know that their talent acquisition isn’t very good and they’re trending down as a program while Louisville has been trending up for the past 3 years
@@bwilson21345 trending down? We have a top 10 portal class, and are ranked in every preseason poll so far, most of them about Louisville. Two years ago we became first program ever to start 4 QBs (injuries) and still win 8 games in the middle of being in that stat with us and Clemson. Not sure how any of that is trending down, and those stats scream stability.
@bwilson21345 I understand, but on the field results is the ultimate trump card. For example... (I'm an SEC guy) at the start of 2023 Texas A&M had the 4th best roster in college football as far as Blue Chip Ratio at 73% of their roster. But A&M ended up only going 7-6 and losing their bowl game to Oklahoma State who's NOT on the blue chip ratio list (you need at least 50% of your roster to be 4 or 5 star players). Talent acquisition is good to have but guarantees nothing.
@@bwilson21345 BS, Louisville only did decent last year because the ACC gifted them the weakest schedule in ACC history. Only 3 away games, no Clemson or FSU, just a trash asz schedule.
Louisville has a better program than NC state and they have won the past 2 years…
why people arguing about NC State? I agree Louisville is better program but its close. How you gonna be mad about that and not say nothing about Miami being ranked over Louisville even though Miami is laughing stock of college football. We talking about a team that got physically dominated in the trenches by Rutgers in their bowl game last season.
@@tomdemay6147 Miami is the USC of the east coast. Any given year they are in top 10 national attention if the Coaching is right. I agree Louisville is better right now than Miami specially the fan base showing up to games but Miami gets better players than both UofL and NcState put together
@@hjhorn11 yes Miami recruits better but this is NOT a recruiting ranking. Recruiting ranking is one factor in his power rankings and it's the only one Miami would be ahead of Louisville or NC State on.
@@tomdemay6147 Because it is a Louisville s NC State argument and BOTH AGREE that BOTH are better than Miami.
@@MercerKnowsBall yup Miami always overrated
All Cupcake Conference rankings would rank far lower in the Big 10 or SEC.
Not in the B1G. That Conference is 3 teams and a mountain of SUCK.
rank the 2 pac 12 teams next?
😂
Oregon state 1
Washington state 2
GT finished 4th in the ACC last year. Won’t be surprised if they ruin several teams’ seasons.
I can accept Georgia Tech as a tier 4 program given how bad things got during the Geoff Collins error (who I remember Pate being a big fan of when he first got hired) and that the jury is still a bit out on Key after a just decent first season but don't see how Syracuse rates above the Jackets unless you are only looking at the last 4 years. But acknowledging that Tech could easily jump to be behind only FSU and Clemson very quickly is fair.
This time next year Georgia tech will be top 5 in your rankings.
No
Only if FSU, Clemson, NC , and NCST leave the conference.
good take
@@Heel919 would that be tar heel that tech beat 😂😂😂😂
Way too much credit to UNC, only Miami has underachieved on greater level. Not nearly enough love for VT or GT.
Mack Brown has underachieved his entire career. All that super talent at Texas, and he won only 2 Big 12 championships across 16 seasons. He has 0 ACC championships at UNC across 15 seasons. Mr. Slick Tongue, Mr. Signing Day and Mr. Self-Satisfied Hot Air.
To give them Credit, Boston College did beat SMU in a bowl game recently
And also GT and Syracuse ranked ahead of them - me thinks some New England bias at play.
If the criteria is the past three seasons Pitt needs to be higher. Josh’s exact words were “these aren’t projections” and Pitt achieved more in the past three years than half the teams ahead of them. I’m blaming producer Jessie on this one
The criteria wasnt the past three seasons. That was one of the criterias.
@@civilwarwasaninsidejob7405 so was coaching stability, another check mark for Pitt over a bunch of the teams ahead of them. Take VT for example, aside from resources there isn’t a single other category on this imagery rubric that they would have the edge over Pitt. Duke wouldn’t have the edge over Pitt in any category
@@Themvpaul17 I think you should add this comment to your original. Your original is insinuating that there's only the criteria of the past 3 seasons.
You forgot talent acquisition and stability in your overly worded comment
Past 3 years/stability/RESOURCES/Talent acquisition
UNC does not belong on Tier 2. They are Tier 3. Their record is boosted by being in the Division that had NO Tier 1s and didn't have Louisville. Those are your TOP 3 Programs.
NC St was in the other Division too that is #4... but UNC still played them due to the Rivalry.
Tiers by Division 1 FSU, 1 Clemson, 2 Louisville, 2, NC State, 3 Wake Forest 4 Syracuse, 5 BC
VS Other Division 2 Miami, over-rated 2 UNC, 3 VPI, 3 Duke, 3 Pitt, 4 Ga Tech, 4 UVa
SAME amount of 2's, 4's and 5's - then its 2 1's and 2 3's vs 4 3's. That UNC Division was a place for UNC to HIDE.
Just like it is HIDING AGAIN by insisting on playing all 3 Carolina Opponents in the current schedule. POWDER PUFF BLUE.
I’m sorry Josh but fsu is not above Clemson. They had one good year full of mercenaries that barely escaped a down Clemson team in OT. One okay year does not a good program make
Might be factoring in Dabo portal stance
Win or be quiet thats how it works
Damn didn’t know 12-0 regular season with an ACC championship was an “Okay” season lol.
And North Carolina is 100% a basketball school. When your visitors almost outnumber your home crowd…you are a basketball school. I have no idea why outsiders would think UNC is anything good in football.
All I know is Louisville is a better program than NC state
@@hjhorn11 it's close. Louisville has more potential and higher upside. But NC State is more consistent in general and is also trending up like Louisville is. I would give the edge to Louisville though but I think other than that his tier 2 was good. Should have been Louisville, NC State, Miami, UNC
@@tomdemay6147 good comment
Sad part is we are more of a football school than nc state
@@Happytarheel7that is just simply not true.
GO CANES 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
“I look at the last 3 years”
Dismisses FSU 3 years ago
Two things, GT is gonna jump a few coming up, however we do have the 6th ranked schedule in the country so it comes with some speed bumps. Also why is SMU so high? I am not a hater but I feel like they still have so much to prove and that BC bowl lose does not help.
Florida St got blown out and exposed in Bowl game 63-3. NC State really? There are no good teams in ACC but! I will say the team no one is looking at is Syracuse.
look at their schedule. they don't play a ranked team until last week of regular season (Miami Fl). Clemson and Florida St aren't on their schedule.
Reason Kyle McCord. He led an OSU team in wins over top 10 Penn St and ND. Almost beating National Champion Michigan. 1 year more mature.
Granted he doesn't have the same talent on his team as OSU but, he could change the culture.
If they make it to playoffs they will get blown out.
Syracuse will have a better record than 80% of conference 🍊
Competitive perception is an important factor you are leaving out. It is a serious issue FSU is dealing with amd they feel strongly about. Going to the B12 does not move the needle, though it should. Some. Also, the numbers people cite for FSU's ratings being less than Clemson's cover the 5 best seasons Clemson ever had against the 5 worst FSU had since pre Bowden. Stretch that out to cover just a few more years and it flips back to FSU. Now that FSU is back where they expect to be they doubled Clemson's numbers. 3.58 million per game to 1.7 million last year.
Avoiding private equity is in FSU's best interest. Being in one of the Big2 is in FSU's best interest. Maybe going to the B12 makes sense short term but it would just be a band on a wound that needs stitches.
Miami is such a bottom of the barrel program overall. Their fans, team support, stadium, on field coaching, etc.. haven’t done anything relevant in 20+ yrs. And their fans are always the most annoying with nothing to back it up 🤣
Good job NC State respect!
What a joke? FSU is not the best in the ACC your on crack
1 good season
Louisville went to the ACC championship with the worst QB in college football beating NCST & Miami at home but you found a way to minimize it...Good job..🤔
I argue that Brennan Armstrong at NC State was much worse than Plumber last year😂 he single handedly lost that game last year to Louisville
I'm terrified for the big 12 ranking cause I know my team is going to be in last
Oofff… G5 SMU is in the upper tier of the ACC. That conference it is just a two (FSU/CLEM), maybe three (+MIA) team conference. It looks might weak, a distant fourth after the B12.
SMU will be surprised when they realize that “weak” ACC teams like Syracuse, VT and North Carolina are still a significant step up from North Texas, Tulsa and Rice
Clemson 2 is crazy
Talks about last 3 years and adds FSU record for last 2. That’s okay, we’re used to being disrespected at Clemson. F s u got lucky last year and all the planets aligned. They’re just happy they played Louisville instead of Clemson in ACC Championship or they would’ve had 2 losses.
Big 12 next!
If you have a full high school recruiting class and don't lose players early due to graduation, transfer, draft or other attrition, how do you make room for portal players without taking existing scholarship players off of scholarship?
Use NIL to pay their tuition and don't count them toward the scholarship number.
@@introbe1 name a school that does that
@@chriswilson203 247 sports shows Georgia as having 97 "scholarship" players on campus right now and a few more recruits coming this summer. Most schools don't report their scholarship list. It's easy to get around the 85 limit now with NIL.
@@chriswilson203 I see 247 sports has Georgia with 97 "scholarship" players on campus right now and a few more recruits coming this summer. It's easy to get around the 85 limit with NIL.
@@introbe1That has been talked about for 2 years now but, not a single school is doing it. And now with the NCAA trying to flex what little muscle it has left, doing so could bring lots of problems to a football program.
All about The U
Yeah in the off season
@@ytownsfinest2073U has 5 chips on the field. Your school ?
@@Herb..StateOfGeorgiaOwnsFSU the U hasn't done shit since 2001. Since joining the ACC 0 conference championships 0 playoff appearances. That Bowl record is atrocious. Currently on a 3-game losing streak to the Holes. The only thing Miami is good at is talking in the off season how the U is back then when the season starts they ain't. The only comeback they have when it comes to getting clowned by FSU fans is “63-3”.
@@ytownsfinest2073 only answer you bums have against anything positive about miami is “YoU hAvEn DoNe aNyThInG iN 20 yEars”
I’m going to warn you only once. you are coming after the wrong guy my friend. I will dog walk you all over this comment section. You want the smoke? You call…
@@ytownsfinest2073 too ashamed to say which school you root for? 🤣🤣🤣
FSU, Clemson, NCSU, Louisville, VT & Miami
Go Deacs!!!
Wake Forest’s decline can be explained by the graduation of those 7th and 8th seniors finally leaving the program… 😂
Miami at 4 is comedic
Miami will disappoint again 2024.
There is a difference between “Choosing not to use the Portal” and not landing guys in the portal (referring to the comment on Clemson).
Clemson offered 3-5 Offensive Linemen before Early Signing Day (well documented) but none of them committed to the Tigers. I think there is very good reasons for this. 1. Dabo has built a culture at Clemson where every player has to earn his spot on the depth chart. This is going to be a turn-off for any portal player looking to improve their spot on the depth chart where they have been.
2. Clemson is currently limited with NIL by state laws. In the past 2-weeks Dabo, along with other coaches from Clemson, U of S Car., and Coastal Carolina Univ. appeared before the SC State Legislature appealing for changes to current laws in the state of South Carolina that greatly restrict NIL to the point that these universities are unable to provide competitive NIL offers with programs like UGA, FSU, Bama, OSU, Michigan, and USC.
1. Dabo is the problem with Clemson. He's the only one with playoff experience. No one on that roster has any. You're not recruiting the same caliber of player. 2. Please NEVER EVER EVER put Clemson and Ohio State in the same sentence when mentioning NIL. If if the South Carolina state legislature allows for NIL, the Tigers and the Gamecocks will never raise as much as the Buckeyes.
Norvell (FSU) has the earn your spot on the depth chart…No matter who you are!
how can a coach not land 1 guy out the portal? This means either you aren't using NIL on transfers at all AND/OR you aren't being realistic about who you can get. Just saying "he offered a couple guys and they didn't come" is complete cop out and strawman defense for Dabo not using portal.
Boston College does not deserve to be ranked 16th. They are a 10-12 spot especially with their new coaching hire.
FSU will have 4 losses this year (SMU, Clem, UM, ND) and come back down to earth. Wouldn't surprise me if GT, SMU and/or UNC beat them too.
Spoken like a true cane…win something before you talk trash.
I’d love it if you’d include things like revenue, reputation, attendance, ratings, etc. Would add to subjectivity and thus debate.
None of what you said has anything to do with how good a team is lol
@@stephenhill1131 this list is NOT about a "team". It's about a "program". Pate explains this before every video he does on this subject. These ideas bconley said do have plenty to do with how good a program is.
@tomdemay6147 really so that's what you actually got from this video lmao he is talking about on the field advantages again nothing to do with the previous comment
@@stephenhill1131 so how good you were 2/3 years ago is an on field advantage? but attendance for your home games isn't? so revenue (used for new facilities, recruiting budgets, NIL, coaching salaries etc) isn't? you are stupid as hell
Louisville has a better program then nc state and Miami , said what I said
I get the nc state argument , that’s hard to argue but Miami has just gotten consistently worse and worse year after year regardless of hype and recruiting. The canes don’t get it done on the field
@@gabriellevalley7022 yup, exactly. I would put Louisville over NC State but thats close. Louisville has higher upside, NC State is more consistent. But putting Miami over them is ridiculous.
UNC has not won a conference championship in football since 1980. The only ACC program with a longer drought is NC State. You have overrated both the Wolfpack and Heels until they actually seal the deal.
unc gotta be ahead of louisville I think
actually ig the head coaching stability is a fair point
Josh PLEASE ! It's just a matter of which of these bums are going to get beat 63-3 in round 1 or 2 at best.👎