I understand the battery in frame will be the norm , but I have to admit I do prefer having my battery separate from the frame and separate from the structural Integrity of the frame. I can still ride my 2017 Dual Sport Plus without a battery and it will not look out of place and it will not affect the structural Integrity of it. And even if the structural Integrity of those new frames is not compromised while riding without the battery, it leaves the open area vulnerable and it will sure look stupid.
Yeah, the price is higher on these ebikes but I also really like Trek. Great innovation, very reliable products, professional staff that's easy to work with, and lots of shops to provide support.
@@ElectricBikeReview Hey! Happy New Year. Thanks for the reviews, they have been very helpful narrowing down what I should consider making such a purchase. So many options out there and new innovations on a weekly basis it seems. I bike about 1300+ miles a year, mostly on the road and plan on some light offroad/trail riding if possible. Thanks once again!
Great review Court! Would like to touch on a few points with Trek: Curious to know what the Carbon edition retails for and at what price points for any upgrades. Not a big fan of the Purion display. Would like to see an Intuvia upgrade on the higher end models (as standard equipment) or as an available option if possible. Love the integrated motor on the carbon model, however would also like to see the same integration with the motor tilted on all of the other models reviewed in this presentation. I also may opt for a custom build (ie: LaMere Diode with Shimano E8000 Motor) over the Trek Carbon model for superior components and low weight in that class. Thanks 2019 will be exciting for E-bikes!
@@stefanievanderlaag5784 Exactly cheapo it is. Not sure why Trek is still using Purion on their upscale models at this price point. They s/b giving us a better interface on higher end models. A little skeptical at this point. Trek E-bikes are still great quality though!
Yeah, that's interesting to me as well... just because motorcycles seem more complex and weigh more. Maybe they've just been around longer and since they don't come with the expensive high-end lithium batteries you end up paying for "fuel" separately and ongoing. I think they cost more over the long run.
@@ElectricBikeReview only if you buy from the big guys. Price points ( (with good quality frames, suspension and components) are much lower on 'direct to consumer' and smaller manufacturers. They just don't get the 'ink' that the 'big guys' get. Do your internet homework and you will find similar quality bikes at less than half the price.
@@ElectricBikeReview Some wonder why there are many cars that are less expensive than a lot of motorcycles! I suppose some of that boils down to mass production, and then there are manufacturers who will charge as much as people are willing to pay.
Lovely bikes but I couldn't spend that much on something that could be stolen quite easily, I have a redux diamond frame and I'm paranoid enough with that, can't imagine if I spend any more.
I have the 2020 powerfly 4 in the United States are limit is 20 mph but uropean is set at 15 mph is there anyway to get that closer to 20mph not using the speed hacks or chips still want to keep warenty
@@islandaerial3414 My pick would be the FS7 which is almost the same as the LT7 except The LT has longer suspension travel to handle extreme off road conditions.
Deore and xt in 3/4/5k $ bikes? I just bought full sram eagle nx group for 400$ I really don't understand that. You have to keep these prices to earn in Germany, USA and other developed countries? For how long?
Great question, James. No, I haven't heard anything for a while but it sounded like a Chinese company bought them and are reworking things to be more affordable. Excited to see what they come up with in the future. BionX had some great IP and patents :)
I wonder how many years after they stop making them you will still be able to get batteries and new motors as they will become worth less than pedal bikes once you can no longer buy spare electrical componentry.
There's not that many different tech variations, if you get a mainstream drivetrain like the Bosch, Yamaha, Shimano or Brose. Those are very common and spares will be available for a decade at least. You can even get new delorean spare parts today, over thirty years after they stopped making them.
Hi Court! Hope your cycling in the New Year.Anyway I'm impressed by your love of bikes.Wanted to ask you what you think about the company "Divvy" bikes. They are rental docked bikes found in the Chicagoland area, anyway great video buddy hi-5!✋
haibike has some serious competition with these Treks. Bad part is they use the PURION display in 2019 - including Trek's top of the line $9000. Powerfly LT 9.9 Plus
There's only 3 levels display available for the bosch systems, And they have changed little in the last few years! The purion seem to be the display of choice with manufacturers for it's size and simplicity... And I guess cost, Which they will give to you if you want a different display fitted.
@@danimayb the new Bosch KIOX display is out. As one of the big three bike brands, Trek should have it on its 2019 models: ebike-mtb.com/en/first-look-bosch-kiox-display/
+ForbinColossus Again, They prefer simplicity and keeping costs down, No doubt they will give you the option to upgrade at a cost to you rather than run with the new one, As it appears to clutter up the cockpit and will be a heavier cost. This is mainly a thing for mountain bikes for obvious reasons, The hybrids and roads you can see the manufactures going for it from the start.
@@ForbinColossus If they're going to skimp on any one component to meet their profit margin target, I'd rather it be the display then anything else. It's already a $6000 bike without the newer display.
@@bsauced I'd be happy with the older Intuvia display. it has to removable! Theft protection seems to be an after-thought to so many designs. Personally, I'd be scared to park thousands of dollars in public when a thief could make it vanish in 60 seconds. Back to displays, I dont need COLOR or silly images of a rider climbing a hill. Mostly speed and battery life and what power level it's set to. I still haven't learned the insurance I'd need in case it gets stolen- I'm in city using the bike for commuting and too many crooks on the prowl need to be factored into my buying decisions.
Nice bikes, the price is of course absurdly high. Shame. You can buy a motorcycle for similar amount of money a much much more complicated machine than an E-bike.
An ebike takes you a hundred miles for a quarter worth of electricity. How far does your motorcycle take you for a quarter worth of gas? Hang on I like calculating. 50mpg, 3 bucks a gallon, 12 quarters in there so that's 50 miles divided by 12 so a tad over 4 miles. That's not very far.
@@novacolonel5287 Doesn't matter how far, it's not related to the topic. Point is that these bicycles are ridiculously overpriced, much much more complicated machines cost similar amount of money. I would love to have an E-bike, but I can not justify a rip off. P.S. it's apparent that you have difficulties of understanding a text, I recommend reading 10 times think about it and then read again so that you might eventually get the idea what's being said.
dan miles yes but unless you have a place to ride a dirt bike or the vehicle to transport one then a dirt bike is out of the question. I would love a dirt bike but have neither the vehicle or place to ride one. I could ride this anywhere even a public park without anyone batting an eyelid.
Securing such a Mercedes Benz bike would make it impossible for me to ride and enjoy such a bike. I would even say as an older man I’d be robbed left facedown on the pavement. I reside in a drug infested community.
Remember people all those battery's resources are mined in Kenya by poor who made a little coin for it while you buy 500 dollar battery that's is dead in 5 years and are not eco-friendly to breakdown for new resources cheers
Yeah you're right I should just keep using my car, as it was made of recycled tree bark and fairy smiles and only needs gas which we know grows on meadows.
NovaColonel either way humanity is full of shit! Elite will rule and corrupt till the end of dawn. With technology it’s only going to get worse. Communism is coming! The west is being dismantled for total control and power over the free.
Please stop saying "women's line" when referring to mid or step thru bikes. I cringe every time... It's especially ironic coming from such a petite man.
Looking forward to the 2020 models with the new Bosch motor and the 625 kWh batteries!
I understand the battery in frame will be the norm , but I have to admit I do prefer having my battery separate from the frame and separate from the structural Integrity of the frame. I can still ride my 2017 Dual Sport Plus without a battery and it will not look out of place and it will not affect the structural Integrity of it. And even if the structural Integrity of those new frames is not compromised while riding without the battery, it leaves the open area vulnerable and it will sure look stupid.
why not have charger port up top where its cleaner?
I really enjoy Trek products and have owned quite a few. I will be checking these new bikes. Big bucks to drop though.
Yeah, the price is higher on these ebikes but I also really like Trek. Great innovation, very reliable products, professional staff that's easy to work with, and lots of shops to provide support.
@@ElectricBikeReview Hey! Happy New Year. Thanks for the reviews, they have been very helpful narrowing down what I should consider making such a purchase. So many options out there and new innovations on a weekly basis it seems. I bike about 1300+ miles a year, mostly on the road and plan on some light offroad/trail riding if possible. Thanks once again!
I sell these treks out of our shop and they are worth every penny!
Does Trek have an electric comfort/commuter bike? Now, if there was E-bike version of my old Trek Navigator 300 I would certainly jump on it!!
Great review Court! Would like to touch on a few points with Trek:
Curious to know what the Carbon edition retails for and at what price points for any upgrades.
Not a big fan of the Purion display. Would like to see an Intuvia upgrade on the higher end models (as standard equipment) or as an available option if possible.
Love the integrated motor on the carbon model, however would also like to see the same integration with the motor tilted on all of the other models reviewed in this presentation.
I also may opt for a custom build (ie: LaMere Diode with Shimano E8000 Motor) over the Trek Carbon model for superior components and low weight in that class. Thanks 2019 will be exciting for E-bikes!
Bob A Intuvia much more user friendly than the cheapo Purion
@@stefanievanderlaag5784 Exactly cheapo it is. Not sure why Trek is still using Purion on their upscale models at this price point. They s/b giving us a better interface on higher end models. A little skeptical at this point. Trek E-bikes are still great quality though!
Its amazing how bicycles are becoming more expensive than motorcycles
Christopher Siedlecki because motorcycle needs big balls, not only some money 😁
Yeah, that's interesting to me as well... just because motorcycles seem more complex and weigh more. Maybe they've just been around longer and since they don't come with the expensive high-end lithium batteries you end up paying for "fuel" separately and ongoing. I think they cost more over the long run.
@@ElectricBikeReview only if you buy from the big guys. Price points ( (with good quality frames, suspension and components) are much lower on 'direct to consumer' and smaller manufacturers. They just don't get the 'ink' that the 'big guys' get. Do your internet homework and you will find similar quality bikes at less than half the price.
You save money not having to pay annual resistration though and in some countries it is quite high on motorbikes due to them being more dangerous.
@@ElectricBikeReview Some wonder why there are many cars that are less expensive than a lot of motorcycles! I suppose some of that boils down to mass production, and then there are manufacturers who will charge as much as people are willing to pay.
Just bought this bike last it’s worth every penny
Are the Trek hardtails with fenders available in the US? I saw the Trek europe has them and they look like an awsome commuting option.
Should I buy a PF 9.7 LT now at retail or wait for the 2020 or wait for a closeout sale?
Lovely bikes but I couldn't spend that much on something that could be stolen quite easily, I have a redux diamond frame and I'm paranoid enough with that, can't imagine if I spend any more.
Never take the E-bike out of your sight and use a 'Dino bike' for lockup at vulnerable locations IMO!
I have the 2020 powerfly 4 in the United States are limit is 20 mph but uropean is set at 15 mph is there anyway to get that closer to 20mph not using the speed hacks or chips still want to keep warenty
which model for gravel, logging roads, fire roads, and trails (nothing extreme)?
I've got a hard tail Cube (cheaper than Trek).
I go everywhere with the exception of blacks but, I am 'older'.
Love the eMTB, glad I have one...
@@islandaerial3414 My pick would be the FS7 which is almost the same as the LT7 except The LT has longer suspension travel to handle extreme off road conditions.
Can you say more about battery and the electric engine?
Great review thnx Court...that trek 7 is very nice.
Deore and xt in 3/4/5k $ bikes? I just bought full sram eagle nx group for 400$ I really don't understand that. You have to keep these prices to earn in Germany, USA and other developed countries? For how long?
Thanks so much for posting way too expensive for me was tickled my normal truck road bike
High level bike like the 9.7 I was expecting the Kiox instead Purion....
Have you heard anything more about bionx
Great question, James. No, I haven't heard anything for a while but it sounded like a Chinese company bought them and are reworking things to be more affordable. Excited to see what they come up with in the future. BionX had some great IP and patents :)
@@ElectricBikeReview that's good to hear thank you
It's a good buy, an 2018 Powerfly FS 5 for 3900?
It’s $4800 for the powerfly 5 fs
I wonder how many years after they stop making them you will still be able to get batteries and new motors as they will become worth less than pedal bikes once you can no longer buy spare electrical componentry.
There's not that many different tech variations, if you get a mainstream drivetrain like the Bosch, Yamaha, Shimano or Brose. Those are very common and spares will be available for a decade at least.
You can even get new delorean spare parts today, over thirty years after they stopped making them.
I’m curious if anyone knows why Trek turns off the walk assist on their bikes ?! 🤔
Hi Court!
Hope your cycling in the New Year.Anyway I'm impressed by your love of bikes.Wanted to ask you what you think about the company "Divvy" bikes.
They are rental docked bikes found in the Chicagoland area, anyway great video buddy hi-5!✋
Beautiful bike & shop!
Trek have some good bikes
Don’t like the front sprocket on their ebikes
Prefer Specialized design
haibike has some serious competition with these Treks. Bad part is they use the PURION display in 2019 - including Trek's top of the line $9000.
Powerfly LT 9.9 Plus
There's only 3 levels display available for the bosch systems, And they have changed little in the last few years! The purion seem to be the display of choice with manufacturers for it's size and simplicity... And I guess cost, Which they will give to you if you want a different display fitted.
@@danimayb the new Bosch KIOX display is out. As one of the big three bike brands, Trek should have it on its 2019 models:
ebike-mtb.com/en/first-look-bosch-kiox-display/
+ForbinColossus Again, They prefer simplicity and keeping costs down, No doubt they will give you the option to upgrade at a cost to you rather than run with the new one, As it appears to clutter up the cockpit and will be a heavier cost. This is mainly a thing for mountain bikes for obvious reasons, The hybrids and roads you can see the manufactures going for it from the start.
@@ForbinColossus If they're going to skimp on any one component to meet their profit margin target, I'd rather it be the display then anything else. It's already a $6000 bike without the newer display.
@@bsauced I'd be happy with the older Intuvia display. it has to removable! Theft protection seems to be an after-thought to so many designs. Personally, I'd be scared to park thousands of dollars in public when a thief could make it vanish in 60 seconds. Back to displays, I dont need COLOR or silly images of a rider climbing a hill. Mostly speed and battery life and what power level it's set to. I still haven't learned the insurance I'd need in case it gets stolen- I'm in city using the bike for commuting and too many crooks on the prowl need to be factored into my buying decisions.
Good looking bikes... minus the ancient Bosch Performance motor. There are many smaller, lighter options out there.
Such as?
NovaColonel Bosch Performance CX motor is 4kg, Shimano E7000 and E8000 is 2,8kg, Brose is under 3kg so as Fazua and TQ.
Biggest problem I have with these e bikes are the price.. need to come drop in price
Not going to happen , I feel the landemic will jack up theses prices for the next few years.
I need a charger for one were do I get it from
Nice bikes, the price is of course absurdly high. Shame. You can buy a motorcycle for similar amount of money a much much more complicated machine than an E-bike.
An ebike takes you a hundred miles for a quarter worth of electricity. How far does your motorcycle take you for a quarter worth of gas?
Hang on I like calculating. 50mpg, 3 bucks a gallon, 12 quarters in there so that's 50 miles divided by 12 so a tad over 4 miles. That's not very far.
@@novacolonel5287 Doesn't matter how far, it's not related to the topic. Point is that these bicycles are ridiculously overpriced, much much more complicated machines cost similar amount of money.
I would love to have an E-bike, but I can not justify a rip off.
P.S. it's apparent that you have difficulties of understanding a text, I recommend reading 10 times think about it and then read again so that you might eventually get the idea what's being said.
Wait a minute..that's a hotel lobby!
Love my 2018 Trek Police (PowerFly 5 w/Speed motor)!
These are dirtbike prices what the hell
dan miles yes but unless you have a place to ride a dirt bike or the vehicle to transport one then a dirt bike is out of the question. I would love a dirt bike but have neither the vehicle or place to ride one. I could ride this anywhere even a public park without anyone batting an eyelid.
TRADUCETE IN ITALIANO perché recensioni così complete non c'è ne sono ...
impara english!
Ombra306 ... Il tuo commento e fuori luogo ....Intendevo aggiungete i sottotitolo
*Bella*
Test ride the juice scrambler
So close to his face lmaoooo
Bosch CX is best.
Saludos cordiales y muchas bendiciones feliz año nuevo 👍❤️👏
Feliz año nuevo para ti como amigo :D
Securing such a Mercedes Benz bike would make it impossible for me to ride and enjoy such a bike. I would even say as an older man I’d be robbed left facedown on the pavement. I reside in a drug infested community.
Uauu! Super!!
2019 Haibike flyon is better!
Remember people all those battery's resources are mined in Kenya by poor who made a little coin for it while you buy 500 dollar battery that's is dead in 5 years and are not eco-friendly to breakdown for new resources cheers
Yeah you're right I should just keep using my car, as it was made of recycled tree bark and fairy smiles and only needs gas which we know grows on meadows.
NovaColonel either way humanity is full of shit! Elite will rule and corrupt till the end of dawn. With technology it’s only going to get worse. Communism is coming! The west is being dismantled for total control and power over the free.
Please stop saying "women's line" when referring to mid or step thru bikes. I cringe every time... It's especially ironic coming from such a petite man.
That's a lot of damage.
Hell hath no fury...
Over priced , heavy , lot of extra nothing.
Better off getting exercise on a nice road bike for half the price
You're obviously not commuting with your ebike.