Yet last year Dak was getting absolutely shredded for turnovers… looks like Dak gave them up for adoption and Josh Allen is the new FATHER of those turn overs.
Yes, his numbers as a pure passer are very much a rollercoaster. If you use his QBR which take into account other facets of the game that he excel in and influence the game just as much as throwing it, then its not as up and down. He will have 3 or 4 great games in a row, it's just some of them are more scrambling based than pure pocket passer based. Not much of this is based on this season though lol
@stantheman6984 week 1 I needed 12 points out of him Monday night vs the Jets. Couldn't even get me that. Plus I'm a sorry Bills fan so punish me twice I guess. I haven't been punished enough by football in my 41 years on this earth.
@@austin_madore9417Allen gets so much hate because people expect more from him and he keeps disappointing. And yet the Allen fans still hype him up and make up excuses for his turnovers, that’s why he gets all the hate.
@@austin_madore9417hate? He’s literally was picked to win Super Bowl mvp so many times and called the best player and QB over pat n joe who’ve actually shown they can make it to the Super Bowl and win it mulitiple times . Theirs for sure a gap! On paper bills have a better team then bengals again but you know who is the reason that makes en better Joe!
Absolutely. The Bills have been the “other” great AFC team over the last 4 years, with Nick’s KC Chiefs being THE best AFC Team the last 4/5 years, and Nick perceives any praise toward the Bills or Josh Allen from fellow sportswriters as “disrespect” towards his beloved Chiefs and the Chiefs’ QB (the best QB on the planet), especially because the Bills, over the last 4 years, have no rings and his Chiefs have 2 rings.
Obviously, everyone knows that 13 seconds playoff game was a brutal hit to the Bills franchise but one of the worst things to come out of that game for them was actually the belief that Gabe Davis could be a legitimate WR2. That game was an aberration for him, he should be a WR3.
Whoever they make #2, he'll end up just like Gabe Davis. Davis has 16 yards per catch for his CAREER. Meaning they either ask him to run long routes all the time or that Allen will only throw to him when he sees him run long routes. That's not easy on a receiver.
Well said! It also shows a problem with Beane and McDermott. They keep investing so much cap in defense. At the deadline, they get defense and washed up running back. They draft DBs every freaking year. No #2 WR. Kincaid looks good but still no wr 2. We need a new gm and offensive coach
I was screaming at the tv for us to do a squib kick after the td cause I was genuinely worried 13 seconds was too much time for tyreek and mahomes. When it got booted in the end zone I couldn’t believe it but I could too 😭
Nick trying to argue that Russ is playing it safe to protect his stats is legit hilarious. I guess that spinning TD throw to the corner of the endzone just didn't happen
Exactly. The facts he’s practically saying his ints are too low is crazy! He just want to get keep his Russ is done argument up. He says he watching the games but won’t mention that the online don’t protect well and receivers don’t separate well enough or often enough to get long passes
He’s wrong about Russ, but I understand why he says what he does. He has always viewed Russ as the biggest threat to Mahomes. Go back and listen to his shows from 2020, and then listen to his reaction to the Russ trade. He nearly sh!t his pants!!!
Yes scoring touchdowns can help your team win games but turning the ball over that much also puts your team in just as great of a position to loose games.
I think it's a fair segment. They're not saying Allen's toast, though the Bills as a team may be this year. If they replace the head coach who knows what next year might be like. As long as Allen is healthy he will be dangerous. It'll be interesting to see if he can rebound.
Not really. He’s been right about Josh for 2 years and their delusion shields them from it. Delusion is powerful and it will still crop up with them lol
I like how everyone even up until last week when looking at the Eagles schedule, they noted the Bills as "oh they might get a loss there" now its Oh look out for Philly lol
Can't win with anyone, proven that over my lifetime. Tortured fan base that deserves much better than the constant new and inventive ways they draw up to lose.
uhm yes thats what we say about talented QB's XD i do agree if purdy didnt have the coach responsible for 28-3 SB he would be better as well... oh wait @@ideologybot4592
As a Denver fan, I didn’t think we would even get close yet win. Allen was throwing into some extremely tight windows almost for no reason, I think he’s still got some fire, he’s not done yet
No Dorsey wasn't just ready or good enough. They tried to put Allen in a box he doesn't fit. Daboll molded Allen into what he is based on what he is. Big difference!
What kills me is our team plays half dead and still only loses by a couple points in these games. So if our team played a good first half and we are clicking on Offense we can beat anyone. It's so frustrating. 😢
Most turnovers since 2018 not just picks. 94 or something I believe. And 55 total fumbles but a good amount the bills have recovered a good amount luckily for josh
The ending to that game was absolutely horrible. Buffalo shouldn't have taken those timeouts and made them rush the kick like they did and miss the kick unfortunately they did it twice and then had to many players on the field.
Even in a down year for the team, Buffalo ranks fourth in yards per drive (37.6), fourth in points per drive (2.6) and third in touchdowns per drive (0.33). They rank 26th in turnovers per drive (0.16), but as the Bills showed Monday night, sometimes there’s nothing that a coach can do to prevent turnovers from happening.
O yea when does McDermott get criticism? He's been carried by his coordinators. He fired Dorsey because he can't fire himself. The defense took a major step back without Leslie Frazier and McDermott is showing he's an average DC like when he first got the head coach job he never deserved.
As a Patriots fan I knew the moment Brian Daboll (also an ex Patriots coach) left Buffalo, Allen would go back to looking like the qb he was before Brain Daboll got there.
Daboll sucks too lmao Dorsey is a product of Daboll and ran the exact same offense. They relied on Josh’s ability than actually coming up with good game plans. Look at how awful the Giants are lmao the offensive plays are almost identical.
@@billsfanatic7288 I'm not arguing with you. You asked a question. I gave you my best guess. Idk if you were expecting the FTF crew to answer you but that's not likely to happen. Perhaps you were asking a rhetorical question, Idk.
Even with all the issues the Bills have, they have yet to be beaten by a TD all year long that's crazy all losses are 6 points or less. Every game they lost were all winnable games. They could easily be 8-2 right now. Ken Dorsey had to go, easily the best move the Bills did all year long.
Not sure why the OC is being fired when its Running backs fumbling and Allen throwing an absurd amount of interceptions that is costing the team wins, not the play calling.
I don’t know what’s worse in the buffalo Denver game. Having 4 turnovers and losing the game at the last second by two points. Or causing 4 turnovers and barely winning by 2 points.
@@julsc2106 I don’t think you get what I’m saying. I’m saying despite the outcome of the game the circumstances of the game make it seem like both teams were the losers.
I just think they need to fully integrate a system around Josh, not let him be the entire system himself. The farthest that will take them is Conf. Championship. We’ve already seen the best version of this system and it was close, but not good enough if they have to play Cincy or KC
Pretty sure that's impossible Allen needs the attention it's their biggest problem right now he won't hand the ball off on rpos and instead of hitting checkdown he runs with the ball dude is just a selfish QB
@@QYgoddolphins may win the division by default this year, but they are going nowhere come playoff time....because they have to play other playoff teams which seems to be a little too difficult for them.
Broncos Country was drooling at any chance to get Josh Allen. Because the best comp is like young John Elway. ABSOLUTE cannon for an arm, big boy who can truck someone, fierce competitor who wants to make the big throw. Alot of people were hoping we would get Allen while Elway was still involved with the operations- thinking he might be able to bring the Elway out of him. If he ever settles down and plays the game in front of him EVERY WEEK.... he's GONNA be a monster.
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@@dbmagee21 hahahaha!
How about tell nick not to pull up headlines from last year to try and make he’s arguments.
Never Ever😌
Skip is a hack. Not a chance.
Nicks eyes when he said “do I need to reevaluate him?” 😂
I think we're gonna be light on the 'Nick just hates the Bills because he's threatened by them' in the comments today 😂
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That would be wise; 🤣
I love how wildes is able to recite all of nicks bits when prompted.. “you have three basic types of opinions” 😂
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He's a great host.
“What do they call me” “Mr. Consistency!”
It's been nuts to me how many other analysts even today on other shows are like "I'm okay with Josh's turnovers" like wtf 😂🤣
It would be okay if they were winning but they aren’t consistently
they think they know things......they dont
Yet last year Dak was getting absolutely shredded for turnovers… looks like Dak gave them up for adoption and Josh Allen is the new FATHER of those turn overs.
Imagine if it was purdy or russ?
@@BigRed22_KCthey say the same thing about Lamar and his team is winning lol
A year plus into this format, and it's still my favorite sports show.
I really hope this show wins its well-deserved Emmy.
to affirm this is category 2 and then hear this is Brady v. Phillips was devastating
Brou’s comparison of Allen to Westbrook is spot on. Well done, sir. Great take.
It’s always a sad day when we have to admit nick was right about something, pour one out for our boy josh
😂😂😂 so true
You might be screaming a different tone if they can trade for big Bill from Boston next year.
@@Taylorwes1265Robert Kraft will sell the team before he trades bill to buffalo lol
That Josh Allen chart is insane!! 📈
Yes, his numbers as a pure passer are very much a rollercoaster. If you use his QBR which take into account other facets of the game that he excel in and influence the game just as much as throwing it, then its not as up and down. He will have 3 or 4 great games in a row, it's just some of them are more scrambling based than pure pocket passer based. Not much of this is based on this season though lol
@@mikep3813 he is leading the league in total touchdowns and turnovers
@bradleynugent4991 yes I am aware, what's your point?
Not really.
That graph would show the same pattern for every NFL quarterback.
Reason = every quarterback has highs & lows [in the NFL].
@@0-Elias-0😂no...
He’s my fantasy QB. And I can attest. It is an absolute roller coaster.
For real. In my league he’s the #1 ranking qb and yet it’s weeks where he has 10 points and weeks where he has 50.
Have faith my friend. He ll turn it up!
@stantheman6984 week 1 I needed 12 points out of him Monday night vs the Jets. Couldn't even get me that. Plus I'm a sorry Bills fan so punish me twice I guess. I haven't been punished enough by football in my 41 years on this earth.
Just play him every other game.... I think that's what the Bills should do. Allen would be MVP if he played every other game. lol
@@mikep3813Wide Right
Nick was Wright all along… gotta give him his props on this one.
You can tell Wildes and Nick are best friends, they have a great vibe
Been waiting all day for this segment after watching the game last night 😂
Brou was definitely one of the people on the josh Allen hype train 🤣
I mean, he’s still a good qb. Allen gets so much hate. It’s kinda ridiculous and I’m not even a bills fan
Josh would be better as a bronco under sean
@@austin_madore9417Allen gets so much hate because people expect more from him and he keeps disappointing. And yet the Allen fans still hype him up and make up excuses for his turnovers, that’s why he gets all the hate.
@@austin_madore9417hate? He’s literally was picked to win Super Bowl mvp so many times and called the best player and QB over pat n joe who’ve actually shown they can make it to the Super Bowl and win it mulitiple times . Theirs for sure a gap! On paper bills have a better team then bengals again but you know who is the reason that makes en better Joe!
Nick (explaining away kicking Wildes’ chair): “I was going through some things.” 😂😂😂😂
I knew Nick was gonna tear The Bills to shreds on this take.
Absolutely. The Bills have been the “other” great AFC team over the last 4 years, with Nick’s KC Chiefs being THE best AFC Team the last 4/5 years, and Nick perceives any praise toward the Bills or Josh Allen from fellow sportswriters as “disrespect” towards his beloved Chiefs and the Chiefs’ QB (the best QB on the planet), especially because the Bills, over the last 4 years, have no rings and his Chiefs have 2 rings.
He is the biggest rooter of the bill's downfall tbh
Obviously, everyone knows that 13 seconds playoff game was a brutal hit to the Bills franchise but one of the worst things to come out of that game for them was actually the belief that Gabe Davis could be a legitimate WR2. That game was an aberration for him, he should be a WR3.
Whoever they make #2, he'll end up just like Gabe Davis. Davis has 16 yards per catch for his CAREER. Meaning they either ask him to run long routes all the time or that Allen will only throw to him when he sees him run long routes. That's not easy on a receiver.
Well said! It also shows a problem with Beane and McDermott. They keep investing so much cap in defense. At the deadline, they get defense and washed up running back. They draft DBs every freaking year. No #2 WR.
Kincaid looks good but still no wr 2. We need a new gm and offensive coach
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I was screaming at the tv for us to do a squib kick after the td cause I was genuinely worried 13 seconds was too much time for tyreek and mahomes. When it got booted in the end zone I couldn’t believe it but I could too 😭
@@616fatracks Why are you here?
Nick trying to argue that Russ is playing it safe to protect his stats is legit hilarious. I guess that spinning TD throw to the corner of the endzone just didn't happen
Exactly. The facts he’s practically saying his ints are too low is crazy! He just want to get keep his Russ is done argument up. He says he watching the games but won’t mention that the online don’t protect well and receivers don’t separate well enough or often enough to get long passes
Did you watch the same game last night? The dude could only complete passes in the flats. His TD that you refer to was all on Sutherland.
@@MattRowlandwho tf is Sutherland
@@samhaggerty3377 Courtland Sutherland. He was great in the TV series 24. 😀
Russ is cooked.
As unc said before… Josh Allen you are the father of those turnovers 😂
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If anything josh has turned into that amoeba qb again
Bills fan here. Nicks antics have annoyed me but he’s been spot on this whole time and it’s made this pill that much more bitter to swallow.
Nah if they get Bill belichek next year I think they are favorites.
Stop it. He is old and lost his MOJO when 12 walked out that door.
He’s wrong about Russ, but I understand why he says what he does. He has always viewed Russ as the biggest threat to Mahomes. Go back and listen to his shows from 2020, and then listen to his reaction to the Russ trade. He nearly sh!t his pants!!!
@@Taylorwes1265they were favorites to win the Superbowl last year.
@Taylorwes1265 hahaha Brady made billicheat. Nobody wants to dumb patriot way
Comparing Allen to Dante Culpepper is such a great comparison.
Yes scoring touchdowns can help your team win games but turning the ball over that much also puts your team in just as great of a position to loose games.
Nick has been on the money about this from jump street 👏🏼
Came back to this gem after Allen and the Bills ran the table and got the 2 seed. CATEGORY 3 BABY
Man, Bills fan going to have a rough time this segment 😂
It's been a rough couple years for them 😅
I think it's a fair segment. They're not saying Allen's toast, though the Bills as a team may be this year. If they replace the head coach who knows what next year might be like. As long as Allen is healthy he will be dangerous. It'll be interesting to see if he can rebound.
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Not really. He’s been right about Josh for 2 years and their delusion shields them from it. Delusion is powerful and it will still crop up with them lol
@@thomasdascombe4939all fan bases have that crowd. Some that are over the top high and some that are over the top low (under the bottom low)
"I kick the chair all the time, that's cuz I'm going through some things." Yeah Nick's Picks record 😂😂
Why are these three the perfect fit for this perfect show!!!!! I love them all 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thank you Nick for giving my Lions some love this year !! Your forever Goated for that
"I'm goin through some things" lmfao. we're here for you Nick!
I love the new Tyreek's Hill segment. They definitely need to continue it this is the best sports show.
Best way I can describe Josh Allen is he's the Anthony Davis of the NFL. Has the potential to be an all-time great, but is super inconsistent wk-wk.
James Harden. Can lead the league in scoring, but will never come close winning a championship.
@@clarkkent1521That's another pretty good comparison.
Nick is getting much much better at arguing his points, those headline call outs were good tv 😂
I like how everyone even up until last week when looking at the Eagles schedule, they noted the Bills as "oh they might get a loss there" now its Oh look out for Philly lol
Nick drinks Bills Mafia tears in the morning for breakfast ! 😂😂😂
After all these years have to admit Nick is right about Josh . We as Bills Mafia cant win with him
Can't win with anyone, proven that over my lifetime. Tortured fan base that deserves much better than the constant new and inventive ways they draw up to lose.
Clown take
Don't go nuts. The man's got talent, he needs a good QB coach.
uhm yes thats what we say about talented QB's XD i do agree if purdy didnt have the coach responsible for 28-3 SB he would be better as well... oh wait
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it must be tough knowing you have only three more playoff wins than the browns since 2000 @@billsfanatic7288
Nick dusting off his book of metaphors 😭😭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🍺🍺.
As a Denver fan, I didn’t think we would even get close yet win. Allen was throwing into some extremely tight windows almost for no reason, I think he’s still got some fire, he’s not done yet
not even Westbrook fan tbh but comparing Russ to Josh is an insult to Russ. Russ a borderline legend. Allen wishes
Wrong Russ. Westbrook plays hoops! 😂 It happens all the time.
You have the right Russ 🏈 in your argument, however.
Russ isn't borderline and Allen probably won't be in the league long.
Lol I’m glad you don’t have a large audience bc you got some trash takes if you think Russ is even close to being a legend
@@stockdoc9384 Russell Westbrook! The MVP that's top 5 in assist and number 1 in triple doubles is definitely a legend!
Facts tho
No Dorsey wasn't just ready or good enough. They tried to put Allen in a box he doesn't fit. Daboll molded Allen into what he is based on what he is. Big difference!
Dorsey firing is just the inevitable delay of McDermott firing
What kills me is our team plays half dead and still only loses by a couple points in these games. So if our team played a good first half and we are clicking on Offense we can beat anyone. It's so frustrating. 😢
Coach bellichick, would revamp this sorry team. He's working with garbage.
Boneheaded inconsistent Allen strikes again. A land no he’s not elite.. people in denial
Buffalo just got bent over by Denver’s defense and got your coordinator fired lmfao 😂😂😂
Nic was keeping receipts on the Josh Allen convo...😂😂😂
That chart looks like the heart beat of the bills mafia when they watch the bills play every game lol
Most turnovers since 2018 not just picks. 94 or something I believe. And 55 total fumbles but a good amount the bills have recovered a good amount luckily for josh
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They tripping talking bout Denver is “in the mix” and acting like that upcoming schedule is favorable.
Keep in mind “eventually right” said differently can also mean “currently wrong” 😂
You can tell how geeked up for the show Nick is by how he beats on that notepad at the open 😂
Josh Allen is a Must Win Weekly Edition by now
Nick with the RECIPTS 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
😂😂 the way Bruh feebly said “no” 😂🤦🏼♂️ no base in his voice right there 3:23
Nick is so happy that Allen isn't a threat to his Cheifs right now LOL.
Take it easy Kevin, Nick is on a roll today 😂.
Cam got to the Super Bowl put some respect on his name
The ending to that game was absolutely horrible. Buffalo shouldn't have taken those timeouts and made them rush the kick like they did and miss the kick unfortunately they did it twice and then had to many players on the field.
I love Nick’s analogies!
Russell Wilson looked so much better than Josh Maaan what a game Denver needed!
Denver is still dead last in the AFC West.
"I know it's because I'm going through some things" this show is the best man lmao
I looked forward to watching this today! Thanks for that!
Even in a down year for the team, Buffalo ranks fourth in yards per drive (37.6), fourth in points per drive (2.6) and third in touchdowns per drive (0.33). They rank 26th in turnovers per drive (0.16), but as the Bills showed Monday night, sometimes there’s nothing that a coach can do to prevent turnovers from happening.
Tampa Bay fired Lovie Smith after Jameis Winston's rookie season because they were afraid Dirk Cutter was going to get poached for a head coaching job
Worst in TO for 6 years is insane
O yea when does McDermott get criticism? He's been carried by his coordinators. He fired Dorsey because he can't fire himself. The defense took a major step back without Leslie Frazier and McDermott is showing he's an average DC like when he first got the head coach job he never deserved.
Kevin's smile when he saw the Bill's schedule again made up for some of the pain.
With those INT stats, the Brett comparison is most apt.
Chris giving detroit no respects despite being 7-2
As a Patriots fan I knew the moment Brian Daboll (also an ex Patriots coach) left Buffalo, Allen would go back to looking like the qb he was before Brain Daboll got there.
Daboll sucks too lmao Dorsey is a product of Daboll and ran the exact same offense. They relied on Josh’s ability than actually coming up with good game plans. Look at how awful the Giants are lmao the offensive plays are almost identical.
Brady-Rivers instead of Brady-Manning is wild 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Without that you’re Dante Culpepper 🤣
Von Miller pickup looking worse and worse. Some teams are just cursed and destined to fail. Bills are one of them
Why fire the offensive coordinator when Josh Allen is so reckless with the football in games?
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Tbh it's probably cheaper to fire the OC.
Bc he’s been an mvp finalist every season without him oh wait he’s still an mvp finalist with him.
Yep. Boneheaded inconsistent Allen strikes again. And no he’s not elite.. people in denial
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I'm not arguing with you. You asked a question. I gave you my best guess. Idk if you were expecting the FTF crew to answer you but that's not likely to happen. Perhaps you were asking a rhetorical question, Idk.
This is the best sports tv show out there. All 3 of them are great. Entertaining and all sports I love it
Nick seems to forget Young was 33 when he won his only ring as a starter & Manning was 30 when he won his first ring JA17 has time
Today is officially the Roast of Josh Allen 😭😭😭🔥🔥🔥🍺🍺🍺. Die another day - James Bond.
Time to re-evaluate Russell Wilson !
This show is entertaining
You guys continue to be the very best Sports show of all!
Even with all the issues the Bills have, they have yet to be beaten by a TD all year long that's crazy all losses are 6 points or less. Every game they lost were all winnable games. They could easily be 8-2 right now. Ken Dorsey had to go, easily the best move the Bills did all year long.
And they could easily be 4-6 because that giants game was disgusting
Thank you to Nick for trying to give Detroit some props when Brew is saying broncos are just playing mid teams lol.
Dak last year was getting touchdowns but was throwing interception and they killed him for it, but it's okay for Josh 😅
Don’t ever compare that boy to Pat man 🤣🤣🤣
Not sure why the OC is being fired when its Running backs fumbling and Allen throwing an absurd amount of interceptions that is costing the team wins, not the play calling.
I don’t know what’s worse in the buffalo Denver game. Having 4 turnovers and losing the game at the last second by two points. Or causing 4 turnovers and barely winning by 2 points.
The broncos won the game when no one gave them a chance. Do you think Buffalo was happy they lost when they could have won?? The OC was fired today
@@julsc2106 I don’t think you get what I’m saying. I’m saying despite the outcome of the game the circumstances of the game make it seem like both teams were the losers.
Wildes almost called it the arrowhead invitational
Nick came with the receipts😂😂
I only see Denver winning 2-3 games on their remaining schedule 🤣😅😂
I just think they need to fully integrate a system around Josh, not let him be the entire system himself. The farthest that will take them is Conf. Championship. We’ve already seen the best version of this system and it was close, but not good enough if they have to play Cincy or KC
Pretty sure that's impossible Allen needs the attention it's their biggest problem right now he won't hand the ball off on rpos and instead of hitting checkdown he runs with the ball dude is just a selfish QB
Dante Culpepper is crazy 😂
Bills schedule is tough too rest of the Half
Yeesh you ain't lying
Rip to you all seasons. Jets or dolphins winning the division ?
I knew Ken Dorsey was a joke when I saw that tantrum. What kind of professional acts like that? Dude has some screws loose.
Daunte Culpepper out here catchin strays.
Josh Allen is Jameis Winston reincarnated
This is one of the most stupid comments ive ever read.
The opposing team missies wide right and Buffalo still lost? Imagine that.
Josh is looking to take Favre's int record
I was hoping to hear SOMETHING about the Broncos in this segment.
Only took 16 mins 😂😂
As a dolphin fan I love coming to FTF after a bills loss: the September champs!
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@@QYgoddolphins may win the division by default this year, but they are going nowhere come playoff time....because they have to play other playoff teams which seems to be a little too difficult for them.
@@mikep3813 😡
@@mikep3813we got players coming back from a injuries
Boneheaded inconsistent Allen strikes again. And no he’s not elite.. people in denial
Broncos Country was drooling at any chance to get Josh Allen. Because the best comp is like young John Elway. ABSOLUTE cannon for an arm, big boy who can truck someone, fierce competitor who wants to make the big throw. Alot of people were hoping we would get Allen while Elway was still involved with the operations- thinking he might be able to bring the Elway out of him. If he ever settles down and plays the game in front of him EVERY WEEK.... he's GONNA be a monster.
Don't forget all the turnovers Elway had👍
100%!! Exactly!@@ForsakenWar
I'm glad he called out Simms
Nick is hilarious but right 🤣
Nicks gonna drop a 40 point triple double no assist, and im not even 10 seconds into the video