I work for the Baltimore and Ohio Museum in Baltimore, MD. I spoke with our archivist at the B&O and she said that Bachmann actually visited our archives (we get a lot of requests from model railroaders). We don’t actually know the exact color of blue on 19th Century B&O 4-4-0s or the rest of our historic locomotives for that matter. I am almost certain, however, that it wasn’t this bright shade of blue. The 19th century B&O locomotives we have at the museum are mostly painted black, with the exception of the green William Mason 4-4-0 we have. There was a B&O 703 4-4-0, but it didn’t look like this. I believe this is a generic 4-4-0 model. Another exception were the 1920s President class of P7s which were painted green, one which we are currently cosmetically restoring at the B&O museum.
Thank you for the clarification, since we've (me and my other half) had our doubts about the application of the blue colour in the sense of going into direction of being unlikely. However, as some form of fantasy the colour does work out quite well actually. Perhaps the shine is a bit much but overall rather beautifully popping.
Yeah, and I’m pretty sure knuckle couplers hadn’t been invented yet when the 4-4-0 was first introduced to American rails. I think they were some sort of link-and-pin couplings. That being said, this is a nice - if inaccurate - livery on this model. Quite catching!
That engine is from the Sandusky Mansfield & Newark Railroad when it was acquired by the B&O in 1869. Also correct about the black paint. Pigtown residents would steal paint from the tender kitchen for their homes… An old-timer shared that tidbit with me when I worked there in the 80s.
If you can get your hands on one, the Bachmann Spectrum 4-4-0 is an absolutely wonderful model, blows this guy out of the water. It was easily my favorite steam engine to run. The sound was top notch too. Truly a big things come in small packages type locomotive.
Interesting thing about American 4-4-0s is Railroads had so many excess of them at the end of the 19th century, they would put on shows at fairs smashing them together head on. Because that's how we roll.
I'm so glad that you did a review one this Sam, the 4-4-0 is one of my absolute favorite locomotive. I'm still trying to find one in the ATSF paint scheme for a good price. Cheers Jasper & Willow
Regarding the coloring: I have a book on the B&O with color photos of passenger steam showing them in a very dark blue (obviously at a much later point in time, admittedly). The coloring IS pretty close to the streamlined locomotives and passenger cars. I also have a 1993 Bachmann catalogue (which I would unfortunately have to dig up again to double-check), but it had a "Royal Blue" set in G-scale that had either an American or a Ten-Wheeler at the head end, in almost exactly this shade. The "Royal Blue Line" was the marketing term for the B&O's route north from Washington through Baltimore and Philadelphia to Jersey City, across the Hudson River from Manhattan. It was one of their most premier services, in direct competition with the Pennsylvania Railroad (which owned what is now the Northeast Corridor). The Royal Blue was also the name of the streamliner that the B&O inaugurated in the 1930s-one of the first in the world. Given that the Union Pacific started its Armour Yellow with its first streamliner, the M-10000, as a tribute to the coloring of its coaches in the 19th Century, I would not be surprised to know that the coloring of the Royal Blue streamliner was directly derived from the 19th Century coloring of the Royal Blue Line trains, which is what this would be depicting.
Interesting seeing an American steamer, and a most equitable review Sam. Her colour is quite the beautiful popping one too. Of course the MSRP is hardly ever what they actually sell for, but what you paid is a very well good bargain. All things pointed out by you are spot on. The CV of the cuffing can be changed we presume but the prototypical speed of the loco was perhaps not the fastest anyway. In the UK and EU we are used to sockets for the decoder. It should be a universal practice, and doesn't cost the world actually. However, we are not very much into sound DCC. The reason being that sounds are quite often more annoying than anything else. The scale and acoustics just do not match at all, putting us off pronto. Recurring play value usually isn't all that much either. Fair good well review and an interesting model. Cheerio.
Hey Sam...the average speed of these mid 19th century 4-4-0 locomotives would only be between 35-45 mph depending upon terrain. So they were indeed not speed demons and your assessment as to why the sound is terrible beyond speed step 8 is correct ...for scale running these locomotives shouldn't be moving very fast! 🤗
Hello Sam, how are you? I thought that Bachmann improved the revision of this locomotive a lot, the engine in the tender and the transmission shaft entering the cabin were very bad aesthetically, in addition to the closed cabin. However, with the technology we have today to make excellent and small engines, the cabin did not need to be sacrificed and better details added, or at least allow the modeler to do so. Another interesting subject that I would like to comment on is that the contact on the tender is made up of three blades that touch each axis of the wheelset (in general, the newer Bachmann steam locomotives are like this), if you change the configuration by making one of these blades are below the axis and the others above (as if it were scissors), energy capture improves considerably. Thank you
Thanks for this interesting video. Re the speed the original would have achieved in normal service, I'd expect it to have been used on express passenger trains in the late 1800s - probably reaching at least 60mph on the better stretches of line. The T9 Greyhounds reached 85mph in the 1890s in the UK. The B&O was quite a large, important railway, and had serious competitors, so speed would have been a consideration. I'm not an expert on US railways, but judging by some of the railroad songs which America is known for, 90 and 100 mph seem to have been happening by the 1920s/30s when the songs were first recorded.
I believe the prototype for this model (as close to it as possible) is the UP 119. It is one of the most famous 4-4-0's (one of the golden spike locos). The locomotive was built by Rogers Locomotive and Machine Works of Paterson, New Jersey in 1868, along with numbers 116, 117, 118 and 120. The original was scrapped in 1903, but a replica now operates at the Golden Spike National Historical Park. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Pacific_No._119 The headlight looks good, in those years it was an oil or acetylene flame, so very orange. Electric filaments were not strong enough until after the 1910's.
We’ll soon see this 4-4-0 tooling within their Thomas & Friends range as well with the upcoming release of Beau. He was a character that appeared once in one of the specials, and Bachmann have said that the only reason they’re making him is because of his 4-4-0 basis and the fact that they’ve already got the tooling on hand to do that. Still looking forward to it though. Great review Sam!
Actually the light cutting off and then not coming back its an NCE issue, not a decoder issue. Other system keep on sending DCC packets to the decoder even when not changing anything on the throttle. The NCE does not. That is one thing I never liked about it. Also, you need to adjust the speed curve to adjust the crawling and also the top speed. Bachmann (and they are not the only one) does not do any programming. Excellent review as always. Cheers!
The Bachmann 4-4-0 American tender engine is a pretty decent looking model. It does not have all of the fancy features like other high-spec models have but it is a pretty good budget model Sam.
So specifically the 52703 yeah it's basically sold out/discontinued just about everywhere, you can still find a lot of the other color schemes though, just gotta accept the fact that these things are in fact made in limited quantities and when they're out, they're out... and the secondary market, or stores that don't give massive discounts to the "MSRP" are they only places to get them.
I have an analogue version of one of these, and I quite like it. Looks good externally, and does a superb crawl. It xan haul 4-5 giant coaches from Walthers around a small loop.
I love collecting these locomotives from Bachmann, have several different liveries. One thing I’ve done to add some stick on weights to roof of cab. Definitely helps keeping it from cutting out.
That blue livery is beautiful I have the old tooling version of it which is somewhat hard to find especially for a good price. No it's real life bases is Virginia and Truckee #22 or inyo Modified to fit this locomotive
Bachmann 4-4-0s Have been around since they 1st started HO and they are great runners Mine runs superb has all wheel pickup And can run super duper slowly Love how you finally reviewed it. I have 6 working examples of the old tooling and 1 of the new tooling Oh and the smokestack usually is not already on the locomotive you usually have to fit it yourself All locomotives come this way
Hey Sam, if you want to review a super-detailed American locomotive, get yourself a Blackstone Models K-27 in HOn3. The level of detail is amazing! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇬🇧
I think it is the "William Mason": 4-4-0 locomotive with a straight stack. Sometimes they had straight stacks. Livery colors, I don't know if those are prototype.
Sam, sadly, that is one of the few 4-4-0's available in HO (if you are looking for a new model). It's my favorite locomotive, just not Bachmann's offering. Nice video! I love to see your technical videos, it reveals your extensive knowledge. Keep up the great work!
Can vouch for chuff being wonk on these Sound Value locos. I have a few of them and I've just agreed with myself to let them cruise along at a leasurely pace where the sound matches the chuff, as anything above that sounds like a clapped out diesel engine. Another thing to note is I can tell the chuff sync is out on this one. It's way too many chuffs per revolution, something that seems to've become more common with the newer Sound Value models. Maybe their programmers are getting lazy... but it *_is_* something that you can fix yourself if you got the knowhow and equipment.
The bachmann spectrum 4-4-0 is probably the best one you can get unless I'm forgetting any. Also, I think everyone can agree that the 4-4-0 is probably the most iconic American engine made. Also, with the not being able to find the real basis for your specific engine, it's very likely it's just one of those that were lost to history
It's good to see they've made some major improvements on this one, but I think I'm going to hold off on getting one for myself for now. Am I right that they put the traction tires on the front drivers? That seems like an odd choice from an available electrical pickup area perspective, considering it shortens your effective wheelbase. I'd have put them on the back wheels. Too bad swapping them would be a tremendous pain. For sure let us know if you end up finding a good pickup improvement concept.
I feel you on the import charge i run oo mainly with few American ho locos but every time I order on ebay shipping is about $50 to ship to me in America really wished bachmann would do like hornby and offer some of there oo models in America thankfully thomas rolling stock is retooled mainline models so happy to save money on those.
Funny story Sam, I actually have one of these in the W&RR verson and it's probably one of my favorite American models. I've also got the 119 & the Jupiter as well, although they both came destroyed. Cheers Jasper & Willow
Funny enough, I got a Bachmann hi-rail bus from Trainworld for Christmas, and it didn't come with a card for a catalog! I guess they only send products with those in the box to you! This locomotive is in the Royal Blue livery, which was a service started by the B&O in 1890. The photo they probably referenced probably isn't easy to find online, only in a book. It's more likely 4-4-2 Atlantics pulled the Royal Blue longer than 4-4-0s. The large, boxy headlamp is supposed to be an oil lamp. Electric headlamps are much slimmer and those locos usually have a dynamo generator to power them. I have to agree with you that the chuffing sounds too fast compared to the speed of the wheels and rods. Is the motor in your old 4-4-0 like the one in the old Bachmann J72? because I got one recently and the motor does not like to start without me turning it manually.
This is something of a re-tooling of an existing model that's been floating around Bachmann for... well, decades. I think some time in the 1970's is when it first appeared. Originally, it was a tender driven locomotive, but with a tender that used a drive shaft forward through the backhead of the boiler to drive the axles of the locomotive. That was done because, at the time it was first produced, motors weren't quite small enough to fit inside the boiler of the locomotive itself. Even now, the space is limited enough that they still need pickups in the tender to ensure the model has good connections. Some notes: The lamp is not electric. That's a kerosene type. The "wires" in the back are support arms for it. This is not prototypical, but done because of the model's origin. IE it being an older model. Those wires provide power for the light bulb, as well as support the model light itself.
The closest thing I could find to this in real life was the Baltimore & Ohio #25 “William Mason”. However, the William Mason is green and black instead of blue and white, and it also burned wood instead of coal, and had a large diamond stack because of that.
Sam, first of all, use the whistle button on the controller instead of function2 and you'll get the toggled whistle. Second, the cuff rate can be adjusted on the decoder by changing one of the cv's. Also, I find that the chuff sound works better on 128 steps instead of 28 steps. Third, many Amercian model locomotives, diesel, steam, and electric, come with a dedicated sound decoder instead of using a mother board with a plugged-in decoder. I do agree that Bachmann had ridiculously high "list" (aka MSRP) prices, but because of large dealer discounts they are almost never sold at those high prices. Also, Bachmann should do a better job with their electrical pickups.
I’ve been waiting for this! Thank you so much for finally getting to this one!!! Edit: I think the weights in the cab are necessary, as if the boiler was metal, then there would just be weight over the front pony and unsupported part of the loco. Also, as a side note, you could reprogram the decoder so that it favours slow speeds :)
I’d love to see you review the Walthers EMD F7 in the Baltimore and Ohio colors. I think you’d really dig the paint scheme and the locomotive. It’s also only around $200 with DCC with it being even cheaper with DC at $150 and yet it’s CRAZY detailed. Also big fan of the B&O it’s great to see it pop up in your reviews!
If you want this model detailed nicely and add some nice detail parts to it then I recommend to you to try Precision Scale Company (PSC). They make and sel detailparts for steam and diesel locomotives, all kind of freigt cars and passenger cars in HO/HOn3 and O scale. I have had good experiences with this brand, especially because you can choose from plastic or brass for almost every part.
If you've ever taken a drum stick and run it over an old fashioned wash board, that's what it sounds like at its high speed. It should chuff a 4 per revolution.
I'm not really a fanboy of American steam, even if there's been some very gorgeous locomotives produced by various roads over the years. However, the 4-4-0 is as much an icon of American steam locomotives as the Big Boy is. Humble, reliable, and charming. I'm sure others will be eager to have reviews done of their favorite American steam locomotive, and I can't really think of one I'd recommend. Some of this is a lack of personal experience dealing with steam (I model 1990s-era Conrail), but part of it is because I've seen people get quite excitable and it's hard to find something "underrated", unique, or otherwise something people won't think I'm mindlessly simping for.
I really love it. The blue looks amazing and for the price, I'd say it's worth it. I will have a look if my model shop can find one for me. My old Jupiter still runs great after I let my friend service it, but this new tooling looks great. The sound is a shame, but maybe if I fine-tune it, it will be a bit better. Great review, Sam. I was always wondering how mechanically sound these models are and besides the lack of bearings, it looks great 👍👍
Very beautiful to see this engine in HO scale, I got the same loco with same liverey in a bachmann N gauge set. If you can find Bachmanns Royal Blue set I cant recommend it enough. The engine works great in N scale and looks fantastic with 3 matching coaches in tow. I normally have it running around my coffee table while Im playing Red Dead Redemption lol
Did some digging, myself and while B&O did have 4-4-0's, I couldn't find any going into the 700s for the number and none in B&O blue. That said, it's not uncommon for American manufacturers to do fantasy liveries with their models or take some creative liberties with real world ones.
Cute! Tough i think it still uses the old (ancent) Mantula/Tyco body molding! Just careful if u buy one online of these, do to the old ones had this livery too! (look for the DCC option if u are not sure) Also I just checked that the import taxes from the US is only 1/4 th (or less) if i want to ship one to the EU, than from the UK; so tbe BRexit really killed the 00 model industry (for the EU at least).
worth 80 bucks imo, and thats being generous..ha!.has a good slowspeed. You could improve it all by adding details/better pickups, weight, better sound decoder, then your spending money/time...unless you enjoy it..I do love modding and tinkering with trains but prices have gone up in the states on everything, these are $269-375 on their site. they look nice especially the Pennsylvania and Central Pacific "Jupiter". but a bit on the high end for me and for what you pointed out, but i guess it's the average. I do like the UK's version of the 4-4-0, actually love the euro trains. very good review sam!
Nice American 4-4-0. I recognised the D49, T9, Midland Compound and my favourite 4-4-0 of all, City of Truro. Hope you liked the first half of your birthday present I sent you via email. The fun's not over yet.
Great review, it’s a shame about the sound, to be once you get above SS-6 it starts to sound abit gun fighty… you’ve had poor luck with sound recently, don’t remember the last good sound loco you had… would be great to see you review the sound on a new Hornby HM7000 sound fitted loco. how it suits being used through your Power Cab, does it sync well, is the quality of the sound any good etc.
It was so prevalent that a danish local railroad sfj bought 2 from us with cowcatcher and all.... But they didn't last long apparently us locomotives was not made to last compared to danish locos.... But the danish chief engineer for dsb made 3 clases 4-4-0 the A C and K class and they were a important part of the danish railroads for almost 70years
Your review was of much better quality than the model Sam, but I enjoyed the review anyway. Do you plan to review a Cavalex Class 56 anytime soon? I feel the 56 might even be a loco of the year - I’d love to see you give it the Sam treatment.
Hey Sam, have you ever thought about doing a video where you run trains that have been featured in movies? Such as the pannier from railwaychildren and the titfield thunderbolt!
Bachmann are making a new run of these and the MSRP for those with DCC and sound starts at $375. Seeing this one I hope there’s much more metal on it 😅
@@nicholasozorak2931 I think the ones I’m talking about are different ones cause I saw their ad on the back of a Model Railroader magazine for I think either this month or last month and the msrp is considerably higher
I have a Bachman American engine and it’s a 060 tender and little details break off so easily like the cowcatcher broke off and I had to glue it back on two times it’s number 150
The headlight should be that dull yellow color as it should be a oil headlight. As for the wires coming out of the back of the headlight, that seems to be a modeling compromise as it would've been era-inappropriate to have a generator on it for an electric headlight.
What you call the wood tender is actually an oil tender. In the American southwest, most engines burned an oil derivative called bunker. This was a waste product of the refining process and was cheaper than coal. There is little coal in the southwest.
In the mountains way out west, chugs a mighty little train, to all the birds and the bees; Toot! Toot! Linus is his name. And Henry is his engineer Toot!
I note that the catalogue was dated 2015, so that makes this "new" tooled model about 9 or 10 years old! But it seems much better then the old one, I have always wanted one, but because of the poor details and poor design I have kept well away from them.
Unfortunately not but there is a locomotive that looks exactly like the 1 from the movie made by mantua! A 4-6-0 old time Based on the original locomotive from the movie Sierra no 3
Is it just me or does that loco look undersize even allowing for the OO/HO scale difference? - anyway apart from that, not bad value for what it is and the sound file may well be adjustable to sync differently with the speed using the CVs... BTW, it looks like it might only be picking up from the tender. That would explain the stopping on the points at quite high speeds?
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I work for the Baltimore and Ohio Museum in Baltimore, MD. I spoke with our archivist at the B&O and she said that Bachmann actually visited our archives (we get a lot of requests from model railroaders). We don’t actually know the exact color of blue on 19th Century B&O 4-4-0s or the rest of our historic locomotives for that matter. I am almost certain, however, that it wasn’t this bright shade of blue. The 19th century B&O locomotives we have at the museum are mostly painted black, with the exception of the green William Mason 4-4-0 we have. There was a B&O 703 4-4-0, but it didn’t look like this. I believe this is a generic 4-4-0 model. Another exception were the 1920s President class of P7s which were painted green, one which we are currently cosmetically restoring at the B&O museum.
Thank you for the clarification, since we've (me and my other half) had our doubts about the application of the blue colour in the sense of going into direction of being unlikely. However, as some form of fantasy the colour does work out quite well actually. Perhaps the shine is a bit much but overall rather beautifully popping.
Yeah, and I’m pretty sure knuckle couplers hadn’t been invented yet when the 4-4-0 was first introduced to American rails. I think they were some sort of link-and-pin couplings. That being said, this is a nice - if inaccurate - livery on this model. Quite catching!
I’m assuming the 4-4-0 you’re referring to is the William mason?
That engine is from the Sandusky Mansfield & Newark Railroad when it was acquired by the B&O in 1869. Also correct about the black paint. Pigtown residents would steal paint from the tender kitchen for their homes… An old-timer shared that tidbit with me when I worked there in the 80s.
Oh you are a Baltimore guy too?
For your next April Fools video, you should review the 320-page full-color combined Bachmann & Williams Catalog.
I second that motion. Although, I think it would be even funnier to see it as a regular video.
Shame he had a kiddy tantrum and tore up the leaflet. No need to be so pathetic Sam.
@@denischick2519 Maybe a fan can send one to him.
How's the anger management course going? 😂
If you can get your hands on one, the Bachmann Spectrum 4-4-0 is an absolutely wonderful model, blows this guy out of the water. It was easily my favorite steam engine to run. The sound was top notch too. Truly a big things come in small packages type locomotive.
I've never had one before so I might get one in the future the southern green one is probably the most iconic in terms of the livery
Agreed, I have one and it's superb.
he actually reviewed it, my life is complete
hahaha hope you enjoy it!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrainscan you do a video on the best way to start and get into the hobbie
Interesting thing about American 4-4-0s is Railroads had so many excess of them at the end of the 19th century, they would put on shows at fairs smashing them together head on. Because that's how we roll.
Ah, yes. The Crash at Crush. Absolutely bonkers, and a microcosm of the attitude towards safety people had back then.
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Glad to see you reviewing more American locos. Always a fun watch.
I'm so glad that you did a review one this Sam, the 4-4-0 is one of my absolute favorite locomotive. I'm still trying to find one in the ATSF paint scheme for a good price.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Thanks guys - ahh good luck with the search!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Regarding the coloring:
I have a book on the B&O with color photos of passenger steam showing them in a very dark blue (obviously at a much later point in time, admittedly).
The coloring IS pretty close to the streamlined locomotives and passenger cars.
I also have a 1993 Bachmann catalogue (which I would unfortunately have to dig up again to double-check), but it had a "Royal Blue" set in G-scale that had either an American or a Ten-Wheeler at the head end, in almost exactly this shade. The "Royal Blue Line" was the marketing term for the B&O's route north from Washington through Baltimore and Philadelphia to Jersey City, across the Hudson River from Manhattan. It was one of their most premier services, in direct competition with the Pennsylvania Railroad (which owned what is now the Northeast Corridor). The Royal Blue was also the name of the streamliner that the B&O inaugurated in the 1930s-one of the first in the world.
Given that the Union Pacific started its Armour Yellow with its first streamliner, the M-10000, as a tribute to the coloring of its coaches in the 19th Century, I would not be surprised to know that the coloring of the Royal Blue streamliner was directly derived from the 19th Century coloring of the Royal Blue Line trains, which is what this would be depicting.
The newer Bachmann 4-4-0s are good engines. I have two of them myself, and they are beautiful engines that both run good and sound good
Interesting seeing an American steamer, and a most equitable review Sam. Her colour is quite the beautiful popping one too. Of course the MSRP is hardly ever what they actually sell for, but what you paid is a very well good bargain. All things pointed out by you are spot on. The CV of the cuffing can be changed we presume but the prototypical speed of the loco was perhaps not the fastest anyway. In the UK and EU we are used to sockets for the decoder. It should be a universal practice, and doesn't cost the world actually. However, we are not very much into sound DCC. The reason being that sounds are quite often more annoying than anything else. The scale and acoustics just do not match at all, putting us off pronto. Recurring play value usually isn't all that much either. Fair good well review and an interesting model. Cheerio.
Hey Sam...the average speed of these mid 19th century 4-4-0 locomotives would only be between 35-45 mph depending upon terrain. So they were indeed not speed demons and your assessment as to why the sound is terrible beyond speed step 8 is correct ...for scale running these locomotives shouldn't be moving very fast! 🤗
These models are based on the Baldwin locomotives built for the Virginia & Truckee Railroad.
This is the second ever locomotive that I also own, that you have reviewed. Great way to relax while feeling under the weather.
Oh boy, I wonder if this model will include another print card for a *320-page full color combined Bachmann & William’s catalogue, digest size!*
Hello Sam, how are you? I thought that Bachmann improved the revision of this locomotive a lot, the engine in the tender and the transmission shaft entering the cabin were very bad aesthetically, in addition to the closed cabin. However, with the technology we have today to make excellent and small engines, the cabin did not need to be sacrificed and better details added, or at least allow the modeler to do so. Another interesting subject that I would like to comment on is that the contact on the tender is made up of three blades that touch each axis of the wheelset (in general, the newer Bachmann steam locomotives are like this), if you change the configuration by making one of these blades are below the axis and the others above (as if it were scissors), energy capture improves considerably. Thank you
Thanks for this interesting video. Re the speed the original would have achieved in normal service, I'd expect it to have been used on express passenger trains in the late 1800s - probably reaching at least 60mph on the better stretches of line. The T9 Greyhounds reached 85mph in the 1890s in the UK. The B&O was quite a large, important railway, and had serious competitors, so speed would have been a consideration. I'm not an expert on US railways, but judging by some of the railroad songs which America is known for, 90 and 100 mph seem to have been happening by the 1920s/30s when the songs were first recorded.
I believe the prototype for this model (as close to it as possible) is the UP 119. It is one of the most famous 4-4-0's (one of the golden spike locos). The locomotive was built by Rogers Locomotive and Machine Works of Paterson, New Jersey in 1868, along with numbers 116, 117, 118 and 120. The original was scrapped in 1903, but a replica now operates at the Golden Spike National Historical Park. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Pacific_No._119
The headlight looks good, in those years it was an oil or acetylene flame, so very orange. Electric filaments were not strong enough until after the 1910's.
We’ll soon see this 4-4-0 tooling within their Thomas & Friends range as well with the upcoming release of Beau. He was a character that appeared once in one of the specials, and Bachmann have said that the only reason they’re making him is because of his 4-4-0 basis and the fact that they’ve already got the tooling on hand to do that.
Still looking forward to it though. Great review Sam!
Actually the light cutting off and then not coming back its an NCE issue, not a decoder issue. Other system keep on sending DCC packets to the decoder even when not changing anything on the throttle. The NCE does not. That is one thing I never liked about it. Also, you need to adjust the speed curve to adjust the crawling and also the top speed. Bachmann (and they are not the only one) does not do any programming. Excellent review as always. Cheers!
The Bachmann 4-4-0 American tender engine is a pretty decent looking model. It does not have all of the fancy features like other high-spec models have but it is a pretty good budget model Sam.
So specifically the 52703 yeah it's basically sold out/discontinued just about everywhere, you can still find a lot of the other color schemes though, just gotta accept the fact that these things are in fact made in limited quantities and when they're out, they're out... and the secondary market, or stores that don't give massive discounts to the "MSRP" are they only places to get them.
Interesting video, it reminds me of the train you had with the coin on the front 😄.
can you review the Hornby apt train new or old?
I have an analogue version of one of these, and I quite like it. Looks good externally, and does a superb crawl. It xan haul 4-5 giant coaches from Walthers around a small loop.
I love collecting these locomotives from Bachmann, have several different liveries. One thing I’ve done to add some stick on weights to roof of cab. Definitely helps keeping it from cutting out.
I'm glad you do American models in addition to the British ones with these great reviews that you do. Thank you.
4:59 That always get me Sam, lol
hahaha!
That blue livery is beautiful I have the old tooling version of it which is somewhat hard to find especially for a good price. No it's real life bases is Virginia and Truckee #22 or inyo Modified to fit this locomotive
Ahh fantastic - didn't know they did the old one in this livery!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Bachmann 4-4-0s Have been around since they 1st started HO and they are great runners Mine runs superb has all wheel pickup And can run super duper slowly Love how you finally reviewed it. I have 6 working examples of the old tooling and 1 of the new tooling Oh and the smokestack usually is not already on the locomotive you usually have to fit it yourself All locomotives come this way
Thanks for sharing Chase, glad you have a good one too! Ah interesting - it looked like it just broke off!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Back in the day I had a pre1900 layout. I ran several Americans and Moguls. I would gladly add this engine to the roster. Good review.
Hey Sam, if you want to review a super-detailed American locomotive, get yourself a Blackstone Models K-27 in HOn3. The level of detail is amazing! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇬🇧
I think it is the "William Mason": 4-4-0 locomotive with a straight stack. Sometimes they had straight stacks. Livery colors, I don't know if those are prototype.
Hi Sam. I have been watching all of you videos for a longtime. I am a huge fan of yours
Sam, sadly, that is one of the few 4-4-0's available in HO (if you are looking for a new model). It's my favorite locomotive, just not Bachmann's offering. Nice video! I love to see your technical videos, it reveals your extensive knowledge. Keep up the great work!
The reason it's orange is because the light ISNT INCANDESCENT its representing a high intensity oil lamp
I have the older version of this exact model. The B&O blue is so striking.
Model railroader magazine says that Bachmann are rereleasing those steam locomotives again.
Can vouch for chuff being wonk on these Sound Value locos. I have a few of them and I've just agreed with myself to let them cruise along at a leasurely pace where the sound matches the chuff, as anything above that sounds like a clapped out diesel engine.
Another thing to note is I can tell the chuff sync is out on this one. It's way too many chuffs per revolution, something that seems to've become more common with the newer Sound Value models. Maybe their programmers are getting lazy... but it *_is_* something that you can fix yourself if you got the knowhow and equipment.
Just saw one of these at a train show today! How fitting
I saw the Thumbnail, and I already love the livery.
The bachmann spectrum 4-4-0 is probably the best one you can get unless I'm forgetting any.
Also, I think everyone can agree that the 4-4-0 is probably the most iconic American engine made.
Also, with the not being able to find the real basis for your specific engine, it's very likely it's just one of those that were lost to history
It's good to see they've made some major improvements on this one, but I think I'm going to hold off on getting one for myself for now.
Am I right that they put the traction tires on the front drivers? That seems like an odd choice from an available electrical pickup area perspective, considering it shortens your effective wheelbase. I'd have put them on the back wheels. Too bad swapping them would be a tremendous pain.
For sure let us know if you end up finding a good pickup improvement concept.
I feel you on the import charge i run oo mainly with few American ho locos but every time I order on ebay shipping is about $50 to ship to me in America really wished bachmann would do like hornby and offer some of there oo models in America thankfully thomas rolling stock is retooled mainline models so happy to save money on those.
I have 2 of the newer ones. Union Pacific 119 and Central Pacific #60 Jupiter both with DCC Sound Value from a train set they made back in 2019.
Funny story Sam, I actually have one of these in the W&RR verson and it's probably one of my favorite American models. I've also got the 119 & the Jupiter as well, although they both came destroyed.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Ahh wonderful - and I do love Jupiter too! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Funny enough, I got a Bachmann hi-rail bus from Trainworld for Christmas, and it didn't come with a card for a catalog! I guess they only send products with those in the box to you!
This locomotive is in the Royal Blue livery, which was a service started by the B&O in 1890. The photo they probably referenced probably isn't easy to find online, only in a book. It's more likely 4-4-2 Atlantics pulled the Royal Blue longer than 4-4-0s.
The large, boxy headlamp is supposed to be an oil lamp. Electric headlamps are much slimmer and those locos usually have a dynamo generator to power them.
I have to agree with you that the chuffing sounds too fast compared to the speed of the wheels and rods.
Is the motor in your old 4-4-0 like the one in the old Bachmann J72? because I got one recently and the motor does not like to start without me turning it manually.
I think the catalog said 2015 on it. That is a very second-hand locomotive.
This is something of a re-tooling of an existing model that's been floating around Bachmann for... well, decades. I think some time in the 1970's is when it first appeared. Originally, it was a tender driven locomotive, but with a tender that used a drive shaft forward through the backhead of the boiler to drive the axles of the locomotive. That was done because, at the time it was first produced, motors weren't quite small enough to fit inside the boiler of the locomotive itself. Even now, the space is limited enough that they still need pickups in the tender to ensure the model has good connections.
Some notes:
The lamp is not electric. That's a kerosene type. The "wires" in the back are support arms for it. This is not prototypical, but done because of the model's origin. IE it being an older model. Those wires provide power for the light bulb, as well as support the model light itself.
The closest thing I could find to this in real life was the Baltimore & Ohio #25 “William Mason”. However, the William Mason is green and black instead of blue and white, and it also burned wood instead of coal, and had a large diamond stack because of that.
You can make the loco crawl better by changing the value of the start voltage.
Sam, first of all, use the whistle button on the controller instead of function2 and you'll get the toggled whistle. Second, the cuff rate can be adjusted on the decoder by changing one of the cv's. Also, I find that the chuff sound works better on 128 steps instead of 28 steps. Third, many Amercian model locomotives, diesel, steam, and electric, come with a dedicated sound decoder instead of using a mother board with a plugged-in decoder. I do agree that Bachmann had ridiculously high "list" (aka MSRP) prices, but because of large dealer discounts they are almost never sold at those high prices. Also, Bachmann should do a better job with their electrical pickups.
I’ve been waiting for this! Thank you so much for finally getting to this one!!!
Edit: I think the weights in the cab are necessary, as if the boiler was metal, then there would just be weight over the front pony and unsupported part of the loco. Also, as a side note, you could reprogram the decoder so that it favours slow speeds :)
No problem hope you liked it! :D
I’d love to see you review the Walthers EMD F7 in the Baltimore and Ohio colors. I think you’d really dig the paint scheme and the locomotive. It’s also only around $200 with DCC with it being even cheaper with DC at $150 and yet it’s CRAZY detailed.
Also big fan of the B&O it’s great to see it pop up in your reviews!
There are DCC ready versions with 8-pin sockets. Not that it helps with all the issues, but it is cheaper & more customizable.
Bachmann based their 4-4-0 toolings off of the Virginia and truckee “reno” and “inyo” locomotives
If you want this model detailed nicely and add some nice detail parts to it then I recommend to you to try Precision Scale Company (PSC).
They make and sel detailparts for steam and diesel locomotives, all kind of freigt cars and passenger cars in HO/HOn3 and O scale.
I have had good experiences with this brand, especially because you can choose from plastic or brass for almost every part.
If you've ever taken a drum stick and run it over an old fashioned wash board, that's what it sounds like at its high speed. It should chuff a 4 per revolution.
I'm not really a fanboy of American steam, even if there's been some very gorgeous locomotives produced by various roads over the years. However, the 4-4-0 is as much an icon of American steam locomotives as the Big Boy is. Humble, reliable, and charming. I'm sure others will be eager to have reviews done of their favorite American steam locomotive, and I can't really think of one I'd recommend. Some of this is a lack of personal experience dealing with steam (I model 1990s-era Conrail), but part of it is because I've seen people get quite excitable and it's hard to find something "underrated", unique, or otherwise something people won't think I'm mindlessly simping for.
I really love it. The blue looks amazing and for the price, I'd say it's worth it. I will have a look if my model shop can find one for me. My old Jupiter still runs great after I let my friend service it, but this new tooling looks great. The sound is a shame, but maybe if I fine-tune it, it will be a bit better. Great review, Sam. I was always wondering how mechanically sound these models are and besides the lack of bearings, it looks great 👍👍
Very beautiful to see this engine in HO scale, I got the same loco with same liverey in a bachmann N gauge set. If you can find Bachmanns Royal Blue set I cant recommend it enough. The engine works great in N scale and looks fantastic with 3 matching coaches in tow. I normally have it running around my coffee table while Im playing Red Dead Redemption lol
Did some digging, myself and while B&O did have 4-4-0's, I couldn't find any going into the 700s for the number and none in B&O blue. That said, it's not uncommon for American manufacturers to do fantasy liveries with their models or take some creative liberties with real world ones.
The larger wheels on the tender trucks/ Bogies is nice many of these type of loco had that size wheels.
20:55 that is because back then the headlights would have been lit with an oil flame and not a light bulb
Cute! Tough i think it still uses the old (ancent) Mantula/Tyco body molding!
Just careful if u buy one online of these, do to the old ones had this livery too! (look for the DCC option if u are not sure)
Also I just checked that the import taxes from the US is only 1/4 th (or less) if i want to ship one to the EU, than from the UK; so tbe BRexit really killed the 00 model industry (for the EU at least).
It looks like the manufacturer had painted that chimney stack in chrome paint or of paint, but forgot to scrape off the paint at the glue point
It’s something about American 4-4-0s that make them so eye catching
I agree 100%
DCC locos will always run better than DC due to the HF PWM and BEMF. With regard to how slow the crawl was, did you check the start voltage in CV2?
worth 80 bucks imo, and thats being generous..ha!.has a good slowspeed. You could improve it all by adding details/better pickups, weight, better sound decoder, then your spending money/time...unless you enjoy it..I do love modding and tinkering with trains but prices have gone up in the states on everything, these are $269-375 on their site. they look nice especially the Pennsylvania and Central Pacific "Jupiter". but a bit on the high end for me and for what you pointed out, but i guess it's the average. I do like the UK's version of the 4-4-0, actually love the euro trains. very good review sam!
(@4:45) - LOL, At this point in the video, I thought to myself, “10 to one odds says Sam tears this up.” Now, back to our regularly scheduled program.
It's model looks to be a repaint of 119. One of 2 engine that were a part of the Golden Spike Ceremony.
Awesome video today Sam you should do a video on how to put pick ups in the modle
Love the silver smoke box
Thanks Alex!
Nice American 4-4-0. I recognised the D49, T9, Midland Compound and my favourite 4-4-0 of all, City of Truro. Hope you liked the first half of your birthday present I sent you via email. The fun's not over yet.
Well spotted Kelly, thanks for playing! Ooh exciting I'll have a look out for that! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Great review, it’s a shame about the sound, to be once you get above SS-6 it starts to sound abit gun fighty… you’ve had poor luck with sound recently, don’t remember the last good sound loco you had… would be great to see you review the sound on a new Hornby HM7000 sound fitted loco. how it suits being used through your Power Cab, does it sync well, is the quality of the sound any good etc.
This engine looks really nice👍😊🤩😎
Thanks Sam
It was so prevalent that a danish local railroad sfj bought 2 from us with cowcatcher and all.... But they didn't last long apparently us locomotives was not made to last compared to danish locos.... But the danish chief engineer for dsb made 3 clases 4-4-0 the A C and K class and they were a important part of the danish railroads for almost 70years
We in Uruguay had 15 of those locomotives, from Baldwin and Taunton built new for projects here.
Your review was of much better quality than the model Sam, but I enjoyed the review anyway. Do you plan to review a Cavalex Class 56 anytime soon? I feel the 56 might even be a loco of the year - I’d love to see you give it the Sam treatment.
Hey Sam, have you ever thought about doing a video where you run trains that have been featured in movies? Such as the pannier from railwaychildren and the titfield thunderbolt!
That's a very cool idea - thanks for that suggestion! :D
For a moment thought April 1st and Martin Mart Martinson was back! 🤣
I have got one of those. It came with Woody and Buzz Lightyear :)
Perhaps if the tender had been set up with each tender bogie fed by opposite rails, the pickup issue would not be as bad.
You should see the bachman baldwin RF16
Bachmann are making a new run of these and the MSRP for those with DCC and sound starts at $375. Seeing this one I hope there’s much more metal on it 😅
This loco he is reviewing is one of the "new run" locos.
@@nicholasozorak2931 I think the ones I’m talking about are different ones cause I saw their ad on the back of a Model Railroader magazine for I think either this month or last month and the msrp is considerably higher
I have a Bachman American engine and it’s a 060 tender and little details break off so easily like the cowcatcher broke off and I had to glue it back on two times it’s number 150
I think the lamps were powered by acetylene, not oil.
The headlight should be that dull yellow color as it should be a oil headlight. As for the wires coming out of the back of the headlight, that seems to be a modeling compromise as it would've been era-inappropriate to have a generator on it for an electric headlight.
Great looking locomotive!
Those lamps were ran from a steam generator. The steam turned the generator which made power for the lights
These models can be upgraded. People on shapeways have made parts that just fit in on the locomotive.
What you call the wood tender is actually an oil tender. In the American southwest, most engines burned an oil derivative called bunker. This was a waste product of the refining process and was cheaper than coal. There is little coal in the southwest.
Awesome video Sam's trains 😊
Cheers Brian!
@@SamsTrains you're welcome 😊
Please explain how to run DCC and DC on the same layout? Thanks in advance
In the mountains way out west, chugs a mighty little train, to all the birds and the bees; Toot! Toot! Linus is his name. And Henry is his engineer Toot!
I note that the catalogue was dated 2015, so that makes this "new" tooled model about 9 or 10 years old! But it seems much better then the old one, I have always wanted one, but because of the poor details and poor design I have kept well away from them.
Hey Sam, what was that on the back of that last coal hopper? It looked like an HO-scale boa constrictor (snake)! 😆
I like this locomotive, but has there ever been a Back To The Future III themed locomotive/train set? That I would buy in a flash.
Unfortunately not but there is a locomotive that looks exactly like the 1 from the movie made by mantua! A 4-6-0 old time Based on the original locomotive from the movie Sierra no 3
Hi, Sam, I have a question: Can you do something related to Shinkansen henkei robo shinkalion please?
The blue looks really good on this model, shame it’s not that well built
Is it just me or does that loco look undersize even allowing for the OO/HO scale difference? - anyway apart from that, not bad value for what it is and the sound file may well be adjustable to sync differently with the speed using the CVs... BTW, it looks like it might only be picking up from the tender. That would explain the stopping on the points at quite high speeds?
3D printed, eh?
I have this in Nscale, though I am looking for an HO one...