This event is historical. In 1747, Potsdam, the Prussian king Frederick II offered Bach the challenge to compose a 3-part fugue from the theme [notes] just played
Depuis tout petite j ai aimé la musique de Bach. Je suis devenue pianiste professionnelle ,avec l intention de travailler toute l œuvre de Bach (clav bien temp, suites etc)assez âgée maintenant , je continue à jouer Bach chaque jour Quia dit j entends Bach je ne peux que croire en Dieu, et pour moi, Bach est le plus grand musicien de tout les temps❤❤❤❤❤
Musique infinie en effet, qui peut largement occuper une vie entière :). On ne sait pas s'il y a un Dieu tout court, mais on est certain qu'il y a un Dieu des musiciens, et tous ceux qui font de la musique , quel qu'en soit le genre, révèrent ce Dieu, et s'en sont inspirés un jour..
Eine phantastische Szene, in der klar wird, was für ein Universalgenie Bach war. Was sich in seinem Kopf an komplexen Kompositionsstrukturen abgespielt haben dürfte, können wir kaum ermessen. Es ist durchaus realistisch, dass Bach so ein komplexes chromatisches Thema aus dem Stehgreif mehrstimmig verarbeiten konnte.
The immense, genius mind of Bach was too great to fathom in its contrapuntal profundity, incredibly, immeasurably inspired by the God he loved and worshiped. SDG. JJ.
Ulrich Thein's career greatest role .... Legacy of J.S.Bach remains for all times, memory of king bleaches . By the way, movie was broadcasted in 1985 , at Bach's 300 yrs birth aniversary and it was named simply : Johann Sebastian Bach
"Ich desideriere darauf, seine Kunst kennenzulernen." "Ein silbermannsches Fortepiano. Es spielt laut und leise, je nachdem man es traktiert." Diese Ausdrucksweise hat was.
Dies entspricht auch meinem Eindruck. Ich vermag es nicht so recht zu begreifen, warum die Sprache bei so vielen meiner (Teil-)Zeitgenossen ein derart kümmerliches Notdurftschicksal fristet, alldiemal Kommunikation doch faktisch so oft erheischt wie auch getätiget wird. Mithin sollte man meinen, dass mehr Sorgfalt auf sie verwandt werde, doch nein. Vielleicht hülfe ja ein zumindest zeitweiliges Umschalten auf ein deliberatives Andante, statt ohn' Unterlass Sätze - oder vorzugsweise auch nur deren Fetzen - im Allegromodus herauszuschleudern. Man bedenke schließlich auch noch die Angst vor Gesprächspausen … als ob's in uns und um uns herum fortgesetzt stockfinster und darum Stille nicht zu ertragen sei.
@@maetzchenmusik Wohl gesprochen, man kann sich seiner nicht erwehren jene Zeiten der mäeutischen Kunst wahrlich zu vermissen. Bedenke man wie kostbar dem völkischen Menschen heute seiner Weil ist, gar friedlos vergießt der Mensch seine Zeit ohne in den Genuss der jenen zu kommen. Springt er von Kurzweil zu Kurzweil, wie ein toller Hund den Hasen scheucht, aber die Satisfaktion einer traulichen Zwiesprache ist ihm fremd geworden.
@@niklasnotgreta Er hat auch im Deutschen stark "französelt" - was auch im Clip zum Ausdruck kommt, wie bei "Das Souper wird bereitstehen" oder "Er steht in Placion meines Klaviers"
NO sé si esto ocurrió realmente (históricamente hablando) pero la escena es grandiosa " las notas, las palabras entre ambos, el silencio que se genera entre el diálogo ...pero sobre todo la humildad y genialidad de Bach es indiscutible. Es un DELEITE.... SALUDOS AUDIOFILOS DESDE MÉXICO VERACRUZ 😉
I agree! It is in general the best film about Bach and his time. The funniest thing is that in another 200 years, if we survive the next few, no one will remember Frederick the Great (his ego beautifully shown in this film) - unless in the context of Bach - and John Sebastian will continue to inspire, be played, interpreted and admired.
@@jacekmirewicz6767oh, so that’s who that was! Thanks. I knew he was extremely self important and Bach displayed much humility, to say the least. Now I get it! Have a great day :) 🌷🌱
WOW! What a great scene! I would like to see the whole movie now. I loved how there was this pervading natural fear and respect shown towards Frederich der Grosse - the warrior king of Prussia. He was known to be a strict disciplinarian. One anecdote I particularly remember was concerning a Captain Zeithen who even after the King had ordered strict light discipline to be observed in the camp that night before battle, Zeithen kept a lantern lit to write a letter to his wife who was known to be a great beauty. The king calmly entered his tent and saw him writing. He told him to finish his sentence and then start another that he would dictate: "My dearest, I am sorry to say that I shall never see you again in this life. For tomorrow I go to the scaffold to be hanged." Bach could hardly refuse anything he asked including the Organ repairs. Realizing the movie was made for German audiences/consumption, I also appreciate the details of the king addressing the men of the court by "Monsieur" in French. It is a known fact that Frederich's own manuals on tactics were all written in French. His officers planed and collaborated in French, and only French was allowed to be spoken at Sans Souci - which I think is where they are supposed to be at??? or Charlottenburg? or some other town or palace within Brandenburg??? I wonder if Bach actually spoke French? Thanks for posting this awesome scene! Also thanks to Axel Bauer for the film information so that I can order it. I find I have a difficult time getting Euro DVDs to work in US machines. I always have to burn them into a different format on my own DVDs.
It's a scene from the last part of four movies (GDR 1983-84 "Johann Sebastian Bach") - so you're in for 360 minutes of east-german late-baroque-reenactment.
Buccaneer's Reef I have found that asking the salesperson to regulate my DVD player to “all regions” (every DVD player has this option) takes care of this situation. If you ask knowingly (it takes them 5-10 mins) & most gratefully, it should work. Good luck! NB: You didn’t need to be fluent in French to understand Monsieur, Madame, Bonjour, Comment allez vous, etc. W a man of Bach’s intelligence & culture, that would be a piece of cake.
@Daniel Evans I wouldn't be surprised if there were such a version - yet (being german) I never thought of it to be an issue. Frederic the Great mostly spoke french and a heavily latinized variety of highbrow german (for example the above: Ich desideriere = I desire to = Ich wünsche) as it was common around academists in the 1750s.
Es gibt auch eine herrliche Szene mit dem Cavicembalisten Marchand und einer Hofjungfrau in Dresden... eine höchst ironische "Conversation" zwischen dem Franz.Hof-Organisten und dem naiven Provinzmädel.Gut gemacht! Ein Film den ich damals genoss ... glaube war 1985 !! 300 Jahre bach.
Vielen, lieben Dank, dass sie das mit uns teilen. Nur meine bescheidene Anmerkung zum Videotitel: DEN es je gab... . Entschuldigung, aber falls Sie in der Form bleiben wollen, dann so.
it is BEYOND any imagination that some person like Friedrich could rule over music genius that J.S.Bach is.... ! we should ask ourselves who respects the beauty, the God !
Ich habe die DVD`s. Leider nur in Deutsch - mono und ohne Untertitel . Bitte bedenken , der Film wurde um 1987 gedreht , GDR - DEFA Verfilmung . I have the DVD. Unfortunately only in German - mono and without subtitles. Please keep in mind, the film was shot around 1987, GDR - DEFA film adaptation.
F: Messieurs, I just found out that the old Bach from Leipzig has arrived. Please join us. B: Most Serene Majesty. F: Save yourself the unnecessary formalities of your conduct Just step closer. B: I ask your forgiveness, Your Majesty, for my poor suit. They didn't give me any time. F: What for? I wanted to know the big man, not his black coat. He arrived directly from Leipzig? B: Via Halle, Your Majesty. F: That's a long way off. Well, I'm dying to get to know his art. He stands in contemplation of a piano? A Silbermann fortepiano. It plays loudly and quietly depending on how you treat it. Is it new to him, I hope? You don't know anything like that in Leipzig? B: Well, Silbermann... F: I have 15 of them, he should try them all. It is said that he masters the tricks of counterpoint with such perfection that he plays entire canons and fugues of his own free will, ala improvisation, in 2, 3 and 4 voices, as he pleases. B: You can learn it, Your Majesty. F: You can learn it, hmhmhm. He has humor. Is he giving me an example? B: May I ask Your Majesty for a theme, at Your Majesty's discretion. F: A theme, a theme? F: Playing tune on flute. B: That's a very good theme, Your Majesty. F: So, make something out of it! B: Sitting down at harpsichord. B: Playing tune on harpsicord with the counterpoint. F: Clap, clap... F: And can he also perform this fugue in 6 voices? B: It's not that simple, Your Majesty! It doesn't just depend on the nature of the theme. It requires some preparation. F: Well, that's all for today. The soup will be ready. But he has to come back tomorrow! I have very nice organs in Potsdam, he has to try them all too. And show me more improvisation like that. See you tomorrow at 2 p.m., right? Messieurs! F: Leaving the room... Clap, clap… B: Thank you very much.
I think even if Bach performed a six-voice fugue on the Royal Theme, the king would have asked for nine voices next, so there's no winning by following the king's requests.
Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Handel, these are what Germany Greatness is partially all about, superb music behind which stand real soul of the great German People ,so..Hallelujah Germany !!!
Mozart was born and lived in Prince-Archbishopric of Salzburg which was ruled by German Roman Empire Kings Franz I. (1745-1765), Joseph II. (1765-1790) and Leopold II (1790-1792) then. He always described himself as "Teutscher" i.e. in a letter to his German father from 29. May 1778, "...daß ich ein ehrlicher Teutscher bin“ (that I am honest German) and from 11. September 1778 "... obwohl ich nur ein Teutscher bin.“"even though I am only German" And on 17. August 1782 he writes: Will mich Teutschland, mein geliebtes Vaterland, worauf ich (wie Sie wissen) stolz bin, nicht aufnehmen, so muß in Gottes Namen Frankreich oder England wieder um einen geschickten Teutschen mehr reich werden - und das zur Schande der teutschen Nation." ("If Germany my beloved fatherland (of which I am proud as you know, wont accept me France or England have to do it in Gods name and become richer by another handy German which will be to the shame of the German Nation). Well... de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Amadeus_Mozart#Mozarts_Nationalit%C3%A4t (in German)
@@Maximilian0011 I guess you're from the US, right? I advise you to actually visit Austria or the German-speaking part of Switzerland and ask the people there where they think they belong, in their heart of hearts :) Or are you one of those Neo-Nazis, Deutschland über alles et cetera?
It's SUPPOSED to depict the meeting between J.S. Bach and Friedrich II where Friedrich played this theme and told Bach to improvise a three-voiced fugue on it, and after he had done so asked for a six-voiced fugue... Shifty representation.
Do you know the harpsichordist whose recording was used? I would like to find the whole piece. I hate that it was interrupted just as it was getting to the good part, it seemed.
I was told that those "musical victims" got their name from the difficult theme Frederic gave to Bach. The theme was very difficult to handle for Bach, so he actually sacrficed a good deal of his health to work the theme out. I've heard this in former east germay so I'm not sure if it is propaganda or the truth. Anyway: Bach is the geatest, his Air on the g string alone is enough to make him immortal. No patriotism from me as a german ;-) Beethoven once said: I'm a king myself, when he rejected a trashy ring from prussian king Frederic Wilhelm III. This ring was the wage for Beethovens 9th Sinfony, dedicated to Frederic Wilhelm III. In fact, Beethoven was a king himself, and so was Bach. German geniuses always compensated the german rabble.
I've never heard the "sacrificed his health" story before. Bach ended up making so much more of the theme (The Musical Offering) than the King requested that I suspect he enjoyed the chance to show off and that the story is a modern invention.
Jemand hat unten schon was dazu geschrieben, aber der Link ist in Deutschland offenbar nicht verfügbar. Deshalb nochmal meine Frage: Wie heißt der dazugehörige Film zu der Szene?
@@Horaz70 Auch das Genre des Trivialfilms gilt es zu respektieren. Die linken Autorenfilmer haben das 'Film-Theater' zur Unterhaltung degradiert und nur Filme gelten lassen, wenn sie linke Sozialkritik geäußert haben. Der Oberflächlichkeit der Hollywoodfilme mit ihren platten Dialogen war die Bildsprache sehr vieler DEFA-Filme, die doch in einer großen Tradition der deutschen Filmindustrie standen, sogar mit ihrer Propaganda überlegen.
I first saw this clip many years ago. I believe the film was called "My Name is Bach" -- but looking at the lips I wonder if this is dubbed into German from another language? French? Possibly even from English? Is the film still available in any language? Thanks for any reply, I know there are hundreds of comments ...
A version of the story that I've heard--it is probably only a surmise--is that the theme had been invented by Bach's son beforehand, who, with the king's approval, presented it to J.S. to test old Bach's skill, in the sense of either a joke, or showing him up, or showing him off--or all three.
King Friedrich II himself was an excellent amateur musician. But when JSB 'trump' him with the final 6 part ricercar on the same theme he gave him , Friedrich has nothing to say !
A bit of recording of what they are saying ... in German F: Messieurs, ich erfahre soeben, der alte Bach aus Leipzig ist angekommen. Ich lasse bitten. B: Durchlauchtigste Majestät. F: Spar er sich die überflüssige Formalitäten , seiner Conduct Tret er nur näher. B: Ich bitte um Vergebung Majestät für meinen schlechten Anzug. Man ließ mir keine Zeit. F: Wozu auch. Ich wünschte den großen Mann kennenzulernen, nicht seinen schwarzen Rock. Er kommt direkt aus Leipzig? B: Über Halle, Majestät. F: Das ist ein gutes Stück Weg. Nun, ich desideriere darauf, seine Kunst kennenzulernen. Es steht in Kontemplation eines Klaviers? Ein Silbermannsches Fortepiano. Es spielt laut und leise, je nachdem man es traktiert. Ihm ist es neu, hoffe ich? In Leipzig kennt man dergleichen nicht? B: Also, Silbermann... F: Ich habe 15 Stück davon, er soll sie alle probieren. Man sagt, er beherrscht die Kunststücke des Kontrapunkts mit solcher Vollkommenheit, daß er ganze Kanons und Fugen aus freien Stücken spielt, ala Improvisation, 2, 3 und 4-stimmig, wie er will. B: Man kann es lernen, Majestät. F: Man kann es lernen, hmhmhm. Er hat Humor. Geb er mir ein Exempel? B: Darf ich Majestät um ein Thema bitten, ganz nach Majestät Belieben. F: Ein Thema, ein Thema? F: Playing tune on flute. B: Das ist ein sehr gutes Thema, Majestät. F: So mach er was drauß! B: Sitting down at harpsichord. B: Playing tune on harpsicord. F: Clap, clap... F: Und kann er diese Fuge auch in 6 Stimmen ausführen? B: Das ist so einfach nicht, Majestät! Es hängt nicht nur von der Beschaffenheit des Themas ab. Es braucht einige Vorbereitungen. F: Nun, dann für heute soviel. Das Soupe wird bereitstehen. Aber er muß morgen wiederkommen! Ich habe sehr schöne Orgeln in Potsdam, die muß er auch alle probieren. Und mir noch mehr solche Improvisation zeigen. Auf morgen um 2 Uhr, also? Messieurs! F: Leaving the room... Clap, clap… B: Danke sehr.
Если бы этот напыщенный лупень, Фридрих ll знал, что в истории он останется только лишь благодаря этой встрече с великим Бахом!
One of the greatest intellects in the history of the human race. His IQ must have been astronomical.
1:12 Bach pays deep salute to Friedrich, but we know today who was the actual king in this room. All present should have kneed down
This event is historical. In 1747, Potsdam, the Prussian king Frederick II offered Bach the challenge to compose a 3-part fugue from the theme [notes] just played
The king should have bowed to Bach!
Es ist fast so, als hätte Bach das Alphabet geschrieben. Die Wurzel aller klassischer Musik.
Ich liebe Bach musik
Ja
I love it too
Ja
Ich auch
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Depuis tout petite j ai aimé la musique de Bach. Je suis devenue pianiste professionnelle ,avec l intention de travailler toute l œuvre de Bach (clav bien temp, suites etc)assez âgée maintenant , je continue à jouer Bach chaque jour
Quia dit j entends Bach je ne peux que croire en Dieu, et pour moi, Bach est le plus grand musicien de tout les temps❤❤❤❤❤
Musique infinie en effet, qui peut largement occuper une vie entière :). On ne sait pas s'il y a un Dieu tout court, mais on est certain qu'il y a un Dieu des musiciens, et tous ceux qui font de la musique , quel qu'en soit le genre, révèrent ce Dieu, et s'en sont inspirés un jour..
The genius of Bach to take those simple notes and compose a fugue in just seconds 😮😊
Eine phantastische Szene, in der klar wird, was für ein Universalgenie Bach war. Was sich in seinem Kopf an komplexen Kompositionsstrukturen abgespielt haben dürfte, können wir kaum ermessen. Es ist durchaus realistisch, dass Bach so ein komplexes chromatisches Thema aus dem Stehgreif mehrstimmig verarbeiten konnte.
Stegreif
Geronimo2764. Hier die geschichte der menschheit. es spielt keine Rolle mehr...
Ich finde es toll wie er stolz sagt es sei ein Fortepiano und dann, Bach setzt sich, fängt an zu spielen.......SCHEISSE VERDAMMT DAS IST EIN CHEMBALO.
Que genio es Bach !
Cuanto se puede aprender de este gran genio.
Heutzutage kaum noch vorstellbar daß man in D einmal solche hervorragenden Filmwerke produziert wurden!
Merida66 Jetzt kommen nur noch Dokus über rechts, rechte, rechtsextrem und bla. Langweilig.
Hier gilt: Früher war alles besser.
@@orgelfan1675 Nicht nur das, sondern auch diese unsäglichen Liebesschnulzen und der Heile-Welt-Mist. *würg*
@@DressedForDrowning sehe ich auch so
Oder solch gebildete Regierungschefs hat ^^
@@jurigagarin3966 ja genau, davon ganz zu schweigen!
I have seen this movie in bits. It is actually good. Bach is well acted.
Truly the "Father of Music."
Was Platon ist für die Philosophie und der Apostel Paulus für das Christentum, so ist dieser Bach fúr die Musik...
Nein, nicht Platon, Sokrates!
The immense, genius mind of Bach was too great to fathom in its contrapuntal profundity, incredibly, immeasurably inspired by the God he loved and worshiped. SDG. JJ.
Ulrich Thein's career greatest role .... Legacy of J.S.Bach remains for all times, memory of king bleaches . By the way, movie was broadcasted in 1985 , at Bach's 300 yrs birth aniversary and it was named simply : Johann Sebastian Bach
Aus der großartigen 5 teiligen Serie des DDR Fernsehens
В любом случае, Фредрика мы знаем только потому, что к нему пришел сам, Великий Бах.
"Ich desideriere darauf, seine Kunst kennenzulernen."
"Ein silbermannsches Fortepiano. Es spielt laut und leise, je nachdem man es traktiert."
Diese Ausdrucksweise hat was.
Dies entspricht auch meinem Eindruck. Ich vermag es nicht so recht zu begreifen, warum die Sprache bei so vielen meiner (Teil-)Zeitgenossen ein derart kümmerliches Notdurftschicksal fristet, alldiemal Kommunikation doch faktisch so oft erheischt wie auch getätiget wird. Mithin sollte man meinen, dass mehr Sorgfalt auf sie verwandt werde, doch nein. Vielleicht hülfe ja ein zumindest zeitweiliges Umschalten auf ein deliberatives Andante, statt ohn' Unterlass Sätze - oder vorzugsweise auch nur deren Fetzen - im Allegromodus herauszuschleudern. Man bedenke schließlich auch noch die Angst vor Gesprächspausen … als ob's in uns und um uns herum fortgesetzt stockfinster und darum Stille nicht zu ertragen sei.
F II soll ja privat Französisch bevorzugt haben.
@@niklasnotgreta Nicht nur privat soweit ich weis.
@@maetzchenmusik Wohl gesprochen, man kann sich seiner nicht erwehren jene Zeiten der mäeutischen Kunst wahrlich zu vermissen. Bedenke man wie kostbar dem völkischen Menschen heute seiner Weil ist, gar friedlos vergießt der Mensch seine Zeit ohne in den Genuss der jenen zu kommen. Springt er von Kurzweil zu Kurzweil, wie ein toller Hund den Hasen scheucht, aber die Satisfaktion einer traulichen Zwiesprache ist ihm fremd geworden.
@@niklasnotgreta
Er hat auch im Deutschen stark "französelt" - was auch im Clip zum Ausdruck kommt, wie bei "Das Souper wird bereitstehen" oder "Er steht in Placion meines Klaviers"
NO sé si esto ocurrió realmente (históricamente hablando) pero la escena es grandiosa " las notas, las palabras entre ambos, el silencio que se genera entre el diálogo ...pero sobre todo la humildad y genialidad de Bach es indiscutible. Es un DELEITE.... SALUDOS AUDIOFILOS DESDE MÉXICO VERACRUZ 😉
I agree! It is in general the best film about Bach and his time. The funniest thing is that in another 200 years, if we survive the next few, no one will remember Frederick the Great (his ego beautifully shown in this film) - unless in the context of Bach - and John Sebastian will continue to inspire, be played, interpreted and admired.
🎉😊
Hi from New York - you said everything I was thinking,but couldn’t express :) 🌹
Do you verstehen Deutsch?
@@jacekmirewicz6767oh, so that’s who that was! Thanks. I knew he was extremely self important and Bach displayed much humility, to say the least. Now I get it!
Have a great day :) 🌷🌱
B A C H was not a musician, He was an Angel sent by GOD to elevate the music at its maximum perfection. Thanks GOD for such a genius
Wow
Frederick may have been Great, but Bach was Greater.
nonsens- he was the Godfather my be
Bach was indeed the best. Too bad there are no subtitles in this clip
Zwei große deutsche Männer zusammen 😍😍😍
Könntest Du nicht den gesamten Film hochladen?
Wonderful! Thanks for posting.
WOW! What a great scene! I would like to see the whole movie now. I loved how there was this pervading natural fear and respect shown towards Frederich der Grosse - the warrior king of Prussia. He was known to be a strict disciplinarian. One anecdote I particularly remember was concerning a Captain Zeithen who even after the King had ordered strict light discipline to be observed in the camp that night before battle, Zeithen kept a lantern lit to write a letter to his wife who was known to be a great beauty. The king calmly entered his tent and saw him writing. He told him to finish his sentence and then start another that he would dictate: "My dearest, I am sorry to say that I shall never see you again in this life. For tomorrow I go to the scaffold to be hanged."
Bach could hardly refuse anything he asked including the Organ repairs. Realizing the movie was made for German audiences/consumption, I also appreciate the details of the king addressing the men of the court by "Monsieur" in French. It is a known fact that Frederich's own manuals on tactics were all written in French. His officers planed and collaborated in French, and only French was allowed to be spoken at Sans Souci - which I think is where they are supposed to be at??? or Charlottenburg? or some other town or palace within Brandenburg??? I wonder if Bach actually spoke French?
Thanks for posting this awesome scene! Also thanks to Axel Bauer for the film information so that I can order it. I find I have a difficult time getting Euro DVDs to work in US machines. I always have to burn them into a different format on my own DVDs.
It's a scene from the last part of four movies (GDR 1983-84 "Johann Sebastian Bach") - so you're in for 360 minutes of east-german late-baroque-reenactment.
It is clear Friederich can speak German rather than Bach speaking French.
Buccaneer's Reef I have found that asking the salesperson to regulate my DVD player to “all regions” (every DVD player has this option) takes care of this situation. If you ask knowingly (it takes them 5-10 mins) & most gratefully, it should work. Good luck! NB: You didn’t need to be fluent in French to understand Monsieur, Madame, Bonjour, Comment allez vous, etc. W a man of Bach’s intelligence & culture, that would be a piece of cake.
Buccaneer's Reef did he hang that guy for real?:(
@Daniel Evans
I wouldn't be surprised if there were such a version - yet (being german) I never thought of it to be an issue. Frederic the Great mostly spoke french and a heavily latinized variety of highbrow german (for example the above: Ich desideriere = I desire to = Ich wünsche) as it was common around academists in the 1750s.
ein geniealer Musiker
Unique et eternel Bach
Bach was thinking, “Dude, i’m just getting started!”
Ich mag diese wunderbare DDR-Produktion wirklich sehr :-)
What is the song which played by the king ? 😍
best video on youtube 😊❤
Interessanter Film ! Mal auf die Must-watch Liste setzen ...
6:30 aww so cute
Es gibt auch eine herrliche Szene mit dem Cavicembalisten Marchand und einer Hofjungfrau in Dresden... eine höchst ironische "Conversation" zwischen dem Franz.Hof-Organisten und dem naiven Provinzmädel.Gut gemacht! Ein Film den ich damals genoss ... glaube war 1985 !! 300 Jahre bach.
Marchand war aus Frankreich getürmt, weil er kuz vorher seinen eigenen König brüskiert hatte und in Ungnade gefallen war.
Vielen, lieben Dank, dass sie das mit uns teilen.
Nur meine bescheidene Anmerkung zum Videotitel:
DEN es je gab... . Entschuldigung, aber falls Sie in der Form bleiben wollen, dann so.
Starke Typen... Danke !
Bach ist der LIEBE GOTT DER MUSIK!!
it is BEYOND any imagination that some person like Friedrich could rule over music genius that J.S.Bach is.... ! we should ask ourselves who respects the beauty, the God !
Ich habe die DVD`s. Leider nur in Deutsch - mono und ohne Untertitel . Bitte bedenken , der Film wurde um 1987 gedreht , GDR - DEFA Verfilmung . I have the DVD. Unfortunately only in German - mono and without subtitles. Please keep in mind, the film was shot around 1987, GDR - DEFA film adaptation.
Ulrich Thein, wow! He does really look like Bach!
"Gödel. Escher, Bach" brachte mich hier her!
sehr gutes Thema !!!
F: Messieurs, I just found out that the old Bach from Leipzig has arrived. Please join us.
B: Most Serene Majesty.
F: Save yourself the unnecessary formalities of your conduct
Just step closer.
B: I ask your forgiveness, Your Majesty, for my poor suit. They didn't give me any time.
F: What for? I wanted to know the big man, not his black coat. He arrived directly from Leipzig?
B: Via Halle, Your Majesty.
F: That's a long way off. Well, I'm dying to get to know his art. He stands in contemplation of a piano?
A Silbermann fortepiano. It plays loudly and quietly depending on how you treat it. Is it new to him, I hope? You don't know anything like that in Leipzig?
B: Well, Silbermann...
F: I have 15 of them, he should try them all.
It is said that he masters the tricks of counterpoint with such perfection that he plays entire canons and fugues of his own free will, ala improvisation, in 2, 3 and 4 voices, as he pleases.
B: You can learn it, Your Majesty.
F: You can learn it, hmhmhm. He has humor. Is he giving me an example?
B: May I ask Your Majesty for a theme, at Your Majesty's discretion.
F: A theme, a theme?
F: Playing tune on flute.
B: That's a very good theme, Your Majesty.
F: So, make something out of it!
B: Sitting down at harpsichord.
B: Playing tune on harpsicord with the counterpoint.
F: Clap, clap...
F: And can he also perform this fugue in 6 voices?
B: It's not that simple, Your Majesty! It doesn't just depend on the nature of the theme. It requires some preparation.
F: Well, that's all for today. The soup will be ready.
But he has to come back tomorrow! I have very nice organs in Potsdam, he has to try them all too. And show me more improvisation like that.
See you tomorrow at 2 p.m., right?
Messieurs!
F: Leaving the room...
Clap, clap…
B: Thank you very much.
Que interesante el profundo respeto que Bach muestra al Emperador
.............da hätt ich noch stundenlang zuhören können - aber der neidische Fritz klatschte so in die HÄNDE .....................
I think even if Bach performed a six-voice fugue on the Royal Theme, the king would have asked for nine voices next, so there's no winning by following the king's requests.
Love it
The Musical Offering.Part of my advanced level music analysis.I have to leave the 6 part ricercar for my graduate study !
L' incontro di due grandi.
Hail Bach
Thank you so much for this is there an English translation and a link where i can get the full film
Hi charles, check this out! th-cam.com/video/WdmcabpiGYU/w-d-xo.html (same clip with English subtitles)
gosto de todos....lindoooo.....magnifico....é a alma
Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Handel, these are what Germany Greatness is partially all about, superb music behind which stand real soul of the great German People ,so..Hallelujah Germany !!!
Mozart are not from Germany. Mozart is from Austria!
you are wrong, say Germany is like Texas, Austria is like Florida, its all same language and culture, is Bush Texan or American?
Mozart was born and lived in Prince-Archbishopric of Salzburg which was ruled by German Roman Empire Kings Franz I. (1745-1765), Joseph II. (1765-1790) and Leopold II (1790-1792) then. He always described himself as "Teutscher" i.e. in a letter to his German father from 29. May 1778, "...daß ich ein ehrlicher Teutscher bin“ (that I am honest German) and from 11. September 1778 "... obwohl ich nur ein Teutscher bin.“"even though I am only German" And on 17. August 1782 he writes: Will mich Teutschland, mein geliebtes Vaterland, worauf ich (wie Sie wissen) stolz bin, nicht aufnehmen, so muß in Gottes Namen Frankreich oder England wieder um einen geschickten Teutschen mehr reich werden - und das zur Schande der teutschen Nation." ("If Germany my beloved fatherland (of which I am proud as you know, wont accept me France or England have to do it in Gods name and become richer by another handy German which will be to the shame of the German Nation). Well... de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Amadeus_Mozart#Mozarts_Nationalit%C3%A4t (in German)
UserUli, please understand that every German speaking land belongs in the hearts of heart to Germanic people with same spirit soul and heart
@@Maximilian0011 I guess you're from the US, right? I advise you to actually visit Austria or the German-speaking part of Switzerland and ask the people there where they think they belong, in their heart of hearts :) Or are you one of those Neo-Nazis, Deutschland über alles et cetera?
Two great men - One of military and music, and one of music and intellect, convening in a great way.
Wow... funny sounding baroque orchestra and flute - and some very inventive fingerings. XD
Very interesting....
Bach es mi puto rei
Как называется фиьм?Может кто-н будь подскажет?
é a alma ;;;engraçado que muitos hoje tocam mas nao é a mesma coisa....tocam se sentir...
The event was real, but who are we kidding, on his worst day, JSB could run rings around Fritz musically.
JSB could run rings around Fritz musically."" ciroalb3, how lovely to hear the truth being said
So entstand die 'Ricercare a 6' aus dem 'Musikalisches Opfer'...
The theme of The Musical Offering, BWV 1079...
It's SUPPOSED to depict the meeting between J.S. Bach and Friedrich II where Friedrich played this theme and told Bach to improvise a three-voiced fugue on it, and after he had done so asked for a six-voiced fugue... Shifty representation.
Do you know the harpsichordist whose recording was used? I would like to find the whole piece. I hate that it was interrupted just as it was getting to the good part, it seemed.
do you mean 4:21?
KK Icons Its the Ricercar a 3 from The Musical Offering.
at 2:16 he says "kontrapunkt" (counter point)
johann sebastian bach is the best
Klarsfeld Kesselmann thanks
@@johannsebastianbach7920 You're welcome, maestro :)
Johann Sebastian Bach Seid wann sprecht ihr Englisch, Meister ?
@@orgelfan1675 Seit wann schreibt man "seit" mit d, Meister?
A gem from the DDR.
I was told that those "musical victims" got their name from the difficult theme Frederic gave to Bach. The theme was very difficult to handle for Bach, so he actually sacrficed a good deal of his health to work the theme out. I've heard this in former east germay so I'm not sure if it is propaganda or the truth.
Anyway: Bach is the geatest, his Air on the g string alone is enough to make him immortal. No patriotism from me as a german ;-) Beethoven once said: I'm a king myself, when he rejected a trashy ring from prussian king Frederic Wilhelm III. This ring was the wage for Beethovens 9th Sinfony, dedicated to Frederic Wilhelm III. In fact, Beethoven was a king himself, and so was Bach. German geniuses always compensated the german rabble.
I've never heard the "sacrificed his health" story before. Bach ended up making so much more of the theme (The Musical Offering) than the King requested that I suspect he enjoyed the chance to show off and that the story is a modern invention.
Jemand hat unten schon was dazu geschrieben, aber der Link ist in Deutschland offenbar nicht verfügbar. Deshalb nochmal meine Frage: Wie heißt der dazugehörige Film zu der Szene?
Auch die DDR vermochte, gute Historienfilme herzustellen, mit einem erkennbaren Bemühen um Authentizität.
Bis zu einem gewissen Grad schon. Jedenfalls bessere Filme als die Schwarzwaldklinik oder das Traumschiff.
@@Horaz70
Auch das Genre des Trivialfilms gilt es zu respektieren. Die linken Autorenfilmer haben das 'Film-Theater' zur Unterhaltung degradiert und nur Filme gelten lassen, wenn sie linke Sozialkritik geäußert haben. Der Oberflächlichkeit der Hollywoodfilme mit ihren platten Dialogen war die Bildsprache sehr vieler DEFA-Filme, die doch in einer großen Tradition der deutschen Filmindustrie standen, sogar mit ihrer Propaganda überlegen.
Please tell me, how is this composition of Bach called?
@@kalliopiioannidou4272
J.S. Bach: Musikalisches Opfer BWV 1079
th-cam.com/video/crRuvK3jOvs/w-d-xo.html
:@@kalliopiioannidou4272: it is the Musical Offering, BWV 1079
maybe who knows how to watch this movie for free in Germany I can't find it?
Is this one a movie about Bach's life?
Браво!
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jollknoll Hey cool clip, what's the name of this movie and where can I watch it? Thanks
Find the description here: th-cam.com/video/WdmcabpiGYU/w-d-xo.html
Où peut-on regarder le film ?
- genial, genialer, Bach...(Beethoven meinte: er sollte "Meer" heißen..nicht "Bach"...
I first saw this clip many years ago. I believe the film was called "My Name is Bach" -- but looking at the lips I wonder if this is dubbed into German from another language? French? Possibly even from English? Is the film still available in any language? Thanks for any reply, I know there are hundreds of comments ...
That's a different film.
Meister
Cómo se llama la película o cortometraje está interesante
A version of the story that I've heard--it is probably only a surmise--is that the theme had been invented by Bach's son beforehand, who, with the king's approval, presented it to J.S. to test old Bach's skill, in the sense of either a joke, or showing him up, or showing him off--or all three.
Von welchem Film kommt das?
BACH is to Music what ACTG is to Genetics & life! Harry
00:00 what music was playing by Frederick???
this is actually the 1st movement of frederick's flute concerto no. 3 in c major
One of his own compositions:
th-cam.com/video/58BS7NNHAf4/w-d-xo.html
Wie heißt der Film?
C.P.E. Bach has come.
Which movie was that scene extracted from?
It is an excerpt from a television series in four chapters, with Hungarian and German production. th-cam.com/video/q_cfjyZFKsg/w-d-xo.html
Hi Yuri, check the description here: th-cam.com/video/WdmcabpiGYU/w-d-xo.html (same clip with English subtitles)
Carl Philipp Emmanuel Bach at harpsichord
Welcher Film ist es?
Чудесньій.
nao entendao que falam....mas da pra entender....sao muitos... e amos...classico..opera,,,
"Monsieur !!" : )
2:38 I hear "give me an example." :))
Exactly: "Geb' er mir ein Exempel".
It's the imperative of the 3. Pers. Sg.
Bach der Große
tudo diz para mim...mozart,,,,,betovem,,,,,,,amo....entendo...é uma rosa
Please closed captions in English ... looks and sounds so interesting!
Check this out: th-cam.com/video/WdmcabpiGYU/w-d-xo.html
King Friedrich II himself was an excellent amateur musician. But when JSB 'trump' him with the final 6 part ricercar on the same theme he gave him , Friedrich has nothing to say !
Finally someone, who understands that this scene is about art and not about politics!
A bit of recording of what they are saying ... in German
F: Messieurs, ich erfahre soeben, der alte Bach aus Leipzig ist angekommen. Ich lasse bitten.
B: Durchlauchtigste Majestät.
F: Spar er sich die überflüssige Formalitäten , seiner Conduct
Tret er nur näher.
B: Ich bitte um Vergebung Majestät für meinen schlechten Anzug. Man ließ mir keine Zeit.
F: Wozu auch. Ich wünschte den großen Mann kennenzulernen, nicht seinen schwarzen Rock. Er kommt direkt aus Leipzig?
B: Über Halle, Majestät.
F: Das ist ein gutes Stück Weg. Nun, ich desideriere darauf, seine Kunst kennenzulernen. Es steht in Kontemplation eines Klaviers?
Ein Silbermannsches Fortepiano. Es spielt laut und leise, je nachdem man es traktiert. Ihm ist es neu, hoffe ich? In Leipzig kennt man dergleichen nicht?
B: Also, Silbermann...
F: Ich habe 15 Stück davon, er soll sie alle probieren.
Man sagt, er beherrscht die Kunststücke des Kontrapunkts mit solcher Vollkommenheit, daß er ganze Kanons und Fugen aus freien Stücken spielt, ala Improvisation, 2, 3 und 4-stimmig, wie er will.
B: Man kann es lernen, Majestät.
F: Man kann es lernen, hmhmhm. Er hat Humor. Geb er mir ein Exempel?
B: Darf ich Majestät um ein Thema bitten, ganz nach Majestät Belieben.
F: Ein Thema, ein Thema?
F: Playing tune on flute.
B: Das ist ein sehr gutes Thema, Majestät.
F: So mach er was drauß!
B: Sitting down at harpsichord.
B: Playing tune on harpsicord.
F: Clap, clap...
F: Und kann er diese Fuge auch in 6 Stimmen ausführen?
B: Das ist so einfach nicht, Majestät! Es hängt nicht nur von der Beschaffenheit des Themas ab. Es braucht einige Vorbereitungen.
F: Nun, dann für heute soviel. Das Soupe wird bereitstehen.
Aber er muß morgen wiederkommen! Ich habe sehr schöne Orgeln in Potsdam, die muß er auch alle probieren. Und mir noch mehr solche Improvisation zeigen.
Auf morgen um 2 Uhr, also?
Messieurs!
F: Leaving the room...
Clap, clap…
B: Danke sehr.
unglaubliche fingerzetsung a dieze traverso
Bach war e in Wunder