I heard that too! I was listening to the background talk, hearing all kinds of stuff. It's been a long time since I played so, I forgot about the 'intimidation'.
isn´t that just Glitchless? i mean i get it someone might find switching difficulties lame, or memorizing codes dumb, and other things like that, but that´s why categories exist
@@M1Account More productive than whatever that twat waffle was doing at the time (besides shitting and pissing themselves that a speedrunner SPEEDRAN the game) Also, MEMORIZING IN-GAME MECHANICS IS CHEATING.... BRUH WHAT IS THIS GUY SMOKING
Jesus Christ, haven't even watched the video yet, but 59 minute video beating system shock 2 with no glitches? Damn, didn't even think it was possible.
This is actually my favorite speedrun of any game ever. A type of satirical run, self aware and fun to watch (not to undermine your actual skill). Wish there were more like these. Your channel is great btw!
Dude i come back to this vid every few months cuz its so good. Its so hilarious and the way you explain things is entertaining. Thanks for making this masterpiece
DAMN IT. Now I gotta re-install SS2. It's Deus Ex all over. OH GOD. Now I gotta re-install Deus Ex. What's next? Thief?OOHHHHGOD. I gotta re-install Thief 1 and 2. Well, there goes my week. See you all in 6 days.
I like how the crybaby complains about glitches and then, asked to define rules for their ideal speedrun, tell you that you can't engage with half of the game's intended mechanics either.
I realize that the majority of these strats are entirely obsolete, but this is one of my favorite speedruns of all time. Maybe it's the commentary that makes it for me.
Been watching your speedruns of SS2 for a while - thanks! Exploits are a fact of life for speedrunning, but reductions by pure skill always seem more impressive to me, and you are obviously very good at those :)
My definition of a "speedrun" is trying to complete the game as fast as possible. If that's your goal then I don't see a problem with glitches. But if someone does have a problem just have "speedrun no glitches" and "speedrun with glitches".
0:33 in and I'm triggered. Let's say you own a game, it's your favorite game, you play it all the time. One day you decide to challenge yourself how fast you can play it through from start to finish. Let's say this game is Super Mario Bros, and you get to the level 8-4 where you have to take the right pipes to get to the end. You don't "play dumb" and take the wrong ones deliberately because... whatever.. or like that one part in the level 4-4 where you must take the bottom route. Or like in the level 7-4 (no-warp-pipe run ) where you must take the right *combination* of paths in order to finish. You don't get intentionally the *combination* wrong because you "shouldn't" know them. Get it? A *combination*? Like in a keypad? A *combination* that you know beforehand, which you should somehow conveniently forget. Another example is that if you know that an enemy will spawn first from the door A, then two [whatevers] spawn right behind you. You don't play dumb in those scenarios either. Timing enemies or events are a direct result of this "forbidden knowledge": knowing where to toss a grenade, where to place a box, how long to wait, what dialogue options to choose, what guns to use/keep, what upgrades to get, knowing that you should shoot the green one first. Speedruns are about *knowledge* of the game and mastery of it through that knowledge. It's about beating the game as it is, using its own mechanics against it and with the skill acquired playing the game and games in general. You know what you know, and you apply that to your run, that's why we have individual people running speedruns, because different people have accumulated different knowledge about the game and its rules and mechanics (one of those mechanics might be static passwords) If you know that the game allows you to pass through a wall from a certain point, why wouldn't you use that if you can? Because of honor? Dude, the game is your obstacle and you are trying to get past/beat that obstacle as quickly as possible. *tl;dr: You can play a game for the first time only once. Then after that it's "cheating" if you follow the logic used in those comments.* PS. I myself consider clipping and skipping large portions of a level the dullest parts in speedruns, but to me they aren't cheating. No one cares but: I personally like tricks negating fall damage, outsmarting A.I., timing stunts, doing something before it was intended and using unconventional tricks to gain the upper hand (e.g. intentionally taking damage/even dying, killing an ally, destroying something you shouldn't) Any way now back to the video :D
This is a great comment. Very well said. Lately I've been playing some older games I missed during my childhood and teenage years. Some of these have been games I've had spoiled for me pretty significantly, and some I'm going into pretty much blind. It's a stark difference. When I was streaming Wind Waker recently, several people said something along the lines of "I have no idea how I figured this out as a kid" when watching me figure out puzzles, even though they already knew the solution. Basically my point is, the idea of using foreknowledge in speedrunning being considered "cheating" is completely asinine. As you said, you can only play a game for the first time once. Even if it was years ago and your memory of it is blurry, it's still not even close to the same experience. To be fair, the guy who made the comment I'm responding to w/ this video didn't mention this idea. Maybe I should have made a response to the guy who made that particular comment, since it's actually a lot funnier. But that would have just made this run more tedious so nah.
+M1 This might be a bit redundant reply, but to nail it in I'll post it anyway: The foreknowledge can be as subtle as knowing how much you have to fear the enemies, do they take cover, do they flush you out, with or without grenades, can I run through enemy fire(I think this is very important when doing a speed run on certain games) These are things which you don't know when playing for the very first time. Just after the first playthrough one already knows so many things about he game like: what does the friggin' Super Star do in practice, how good is the shotgun, how many weapons there are, how enemies react to alarms/gunshots/noise, how to take advantage of that, can you hide in vents, is it worth to collect every item, how abundant is ammo/health. Then there is tactile learning like: does the player character stop exactly when needed, or does he/he slide because of the momentum, how much you can control the character mid-air. Some games are much more "stickier" that others, (compare Doom to Amnesia). These are very subtle, and probably unconscious things you learn and get better at, but none the less the experience is different on each playthrough. When the game is new, you have no idea what to expect and to what to pay attention to (that feeling is so great, I love being lost in the game,) but eventually you'll learn the boundaries and the limits of it, then it's about squeezing them tighter, knowing the game and taking every advantage of it.
All that said, I get the main point.. myself. You're absolutely right. You only get that rush once. I might like a certain game but, after that first time through, the 'magic's gone'. I play through some games over and over to expand - if I can - the area. I just know that I missed things from the 1st time. I'm still finding shit in games like Final Fantasy 7, 8 or 9. They just packed so much in with side quests and stuff. But, I get what you're saying. Every player is different, as are the runs. I've watched numerous people speed run this game and every one of them was different. Everybody has something to bring to the table. And, ya know what? I STILL suck! Takes me fucking hours to get through this! My problem has always been getting used to a mouse n keyboard. I've always been more comfortable with a controller..so, I suck. I didn't finish Half-Life until it got ported to PS 2. I've missed out on some good shit that didn't get ported too! And, what the hell ever happened to Kingpin?! Remember that one? That was the 'Manhunt' of PC at the time. It just fell off the planet. No port. No remake. Nothing. I hope somebody realizes that at some point. Thanks, Man. I'm with ya on this one!
I remember seeing someone post somewhere that it had to do with the forward / backward directions having a separate 'velocity' applied to it which overlaps with the left / right 'velocity' making you have extra when you do both Sounds right to me and it's stuck in my brain for a few years but can't say I know for sure
I did, man. Inspired me to try to learn how to speed run this game. I'm having difficulty getting the firs cutscene skip with the light armor. Haven't had a lot of time to practice it haha
I agree with the premise behind this, I miss the old impossible% with no OoB, as you had to actually learn most of the game and the route rather than engineering, hydro then OoB.
I agree, inbounds route is the best route. I have my own opinions about what routes/rules are best for various runs, this vid was just to make fun of the people who get mad or act like assholes about people running any%.
Well there are always going to be those who just want to do any% and go for the fastest time possible no matter the strat/route, and then those of us who want to actually have to learn more tricks and more of the game, it's more fun to show off "How to play the game the way it was intended - but fast" Or at least with as few sequence breaks as possible and with no Out of Bounds which can ruin some runs and in the case of games like Zelda games can make runs.
Your mouse control, and how quickly you grab things out of corpses, shows great precision. Great speedrun, and great skills. Thanks for sharing. Love this game. 20:00 Your Marie Delacroix needs work haha! It is not the first audio log, the first is the one that gives you the 45100 code to get you out of hard vacuum. :)
Hats off to you for not being snarky in your commentary throughout the run. I don't think I would be able to resist the temptation. xD Great run, congrats!
"These laser turrets can tear you to shreds, but if you have armor piercing ammo and burst mode *POP POP* you can tear them to shreds. Chad moment. Makes me want to try this Crybaby% run.
Yeah that that audiolog from dele troy is pretty funny, thx for the speedrunnin tips. Yeah even tho I play casually the diagonal running is great for getting around the ships. Burst fire is king
wait wait did one of those comments said that remembering door codes in order to speedrun the game is cheating? what in the actual ass are these people made out of it's like "GTA San Andreas speedrun" and the run has 17 hours well not exactly a SPEED run and if i wanted to watch somoene simply beating missions i would watch gta missions
Just played and finished this for the first time a couple days ago. It's beautiful seeing someone with an encyclopedic knowledge of the game just destroy it in a speedrun. Now I didn't find this game as tough or unclear about it's mechanics as most stories I'd heard about it imply it was, but you make it look like a kids toy. Great video.
after raging at the game and throwing my grenades at the cyber assassins after choking shodan for a minute after a 13:30 pace run, i can confirm that you only need 4 heavy and level 1 modified gl to oneshot them. great meme
best flex ever it's just hilarious that you answering with the crybaby% to some kind of a schoolboy just to prove that he is wrong lol great run man! really great job❤
BTFO hahahaha The voice acting part killed me. Have you considered grabbing the Game Pig and a game or two and using that to pass the time during the cutscene? That's what I do on my casual playthroughs because it's disrespectful to SHODAN
i have absolutely no idea why people don't enjoy glitches in speedruns. it's the main draw for me. if i wanted to just watch someone play a game quickly with no tricks to go faster then i'd just run a let's play at double speed.
Says the guy who has obviously never seen a glitchless speedrun. Guess what, it actually takes skill to go fast in glitchless speedruns. That's the trick.
Doesn't mean he actually watched it. Someone who says that a glitchless speedrun is like a let's play at double speed clearly doesn't know what they're talking about.
Some people would say that exploiting glitches in a game is a type of cheating as it's doing something that was never intended to be done by the game's designers. You can't say you're playing Chess when you're using every pawn as though it were a queen. Similarly, you can't say you're speedrunning a certain game when you're not actually playing that game.
As much as I love Zylon and the rest of the SS2 community, I have to take your side on the speedrunning 'rules' people try to force on you. You are by far, hands down, THE best SS2 player I've ever seen. Watching this was truly a privilege. SS2 is my favorite game of all time, my number 2 being the original Deus Ex and my number 3 being Fallout 2. I feel like a piddling idiot watching this, my first SS2 run took me about 7 1/2 - 8 hours to complete, though I was intentionally bumbling around optional areas to explore and loot shit. Now-a-day's I can do an Impossible run in about 3 1/2 hours, and that's trying really fucking hard. Also.. Disruption grenades do NOT get the level bonuses like the other ones (namely frag) do. It's considered Level 6 ammo, so like all Level 6 weapons and other max tier ammo, it benefits 0% from leveling weapon skills. On Heavy level one, disruptions beat Frags, from 3 up, they do NOT. The GL is the most powerful weapon ingame, as it's the level 1 HW so it gets ALL the bonuses to damage from level ups. A Mod 2 GL with Level 6 HW using frags can one shot most enemies in the game. So if that's your theory, you'd be right. Disruptions lose out to frags because unlike frags they get no bonuses from HW skill levels. I believe ADaOB/SCP fixes this issue, but the vanilla game has it in full force.
Hey thanks, I'm glad you liked the run. To be fair, "the rest of the SS2 community" hasn't really given me any shit. Other than the screenshots I showed in the video I think I got maybe 2 other negative comments. Also I think my first playthrough was like double that time, so yeah that sounds pretty good actually lol
SCP does, yeah. Not sure about ADaOB; I never read the changelog that closely, and ever since it got merged into SCP I can't go look lol I will say one thing that I think is kinda poo, talking about SCP/ADadOB, is that between versions (either between the transition from ADaOB to SCP or between an earlier version of SCP to a later version) the devs changed the Assault Rifle from a Level 3 SW to a Level 6 SW. So sadly I can no longer go Navy (SW, Agility, Hack) and never touch SW and put those points elsewhere more useful lol. Of course in my most recent playthrough I decided to just use the console to give myself a bunch of points so I could build my character the way I wanted. So.
You mean in Engineering? It's just luck where you'll end up finding them. At one point I encounter three of them at once. I still usually find more overall than this.
God bless spite man, it produces so many amazing things. I love spite. I thoroughly enjoyed this. silverbolt coyote has been pwned the hardest anyone ever has in the history of ownership, since the concept of property was invented by man in prehistory.
I first played ss2 when I was a kid, only played for a while never finished it (never passed med lol). Last year I decided after getting it on steam to play it blind dont look for guides anything and it took me a long ass time but damn it was worth it. After that I decided to check speedruns and I got one of yours, I was totally amazed Wow this took me 14 hours and he does it in minutes!. I just dont understand people that ocmplain on remembering codes or using glitches a frigging speedrun is about getting to the end as fast as possible... you can finish old pokemon games in 00:00 game by arranging items or you can literally affect the code of the game in super mario world to finish it (and even make other games in the game). come the fuck on
It's sad that I have to admit this, but I haven't beaten this game yet, so I will just wait until after I reclaim my GOG account to finish watching this.
Great to see you took his challenge and champed through it :D Too bad i didn't see him commenting this video, but didn't want to dig too much. Might actually be fun to see people race different games with rulesets, that are given say a few hours in advance. Would need people to have vast knowledge of the game (like you have), and would probably result in widely varying run strategies by participants.
There are some games people do randomizer races with, I think SS2 would be a really good game for that. If some more people pick up the game I would love to organize that.
I've been replaying System Shock 2 for like the 5th time or so lately, so watching an hour long video of someone else playing it is still way shorter than my actual playthrough... even if it's not his 12 minute runs. ;)
No PSI is a pretty stupid rule considering they're an intended part of the game. Ditto melee. I personally think the invincibility glitch is kinda lame though. Even so, routing and accurate movement require skill. I'd like to see the whiny pricks beat accomplished speed runners on glitched Any%. It's like people who get winded going to the fridge for another beer shouting advice at professional athletes on TV.
I think the issue is variety. until recently anyone looking for a speedrun where every single level that the person spent hours and hours playing (even on the same day of search) was completed impossibly fast and with absurd accuracy and excellence would find that the only option of run on youtube would be the glitch any%. its okay to have a glitch run, thats the nature of speedrun, its the creative endeavor of reaching the end screen without typing in cheats, just using the same tools anyone would have at launch, its all valid, but no one bothered to try (or at least to upload to youtube) a glitchless impossible difficulty any% run until now... that may be the basis of most people's frustration i suppose.
I definitely get that. I run some other games and don't do any% (like Cave Story, which I'm only interested in going for Best Ending in). I also enjoy watching some of the less-skilled runners of some more competitive games like Super Metroid, because I enjoy seeing how they do things differently, or how they handle their mistakes - like you mentioned, variety. What I don't get is these brain-damaged fools saying it's literally cheating to use glitches, being rude and entitled about it, especially when they betray that they don't know 10% about the game the runner does.
Thanks to this run I might try to play SS2 again. I loved SS1 and pretty much all Immersive Sims I've played (Deus Ex serie, Prey...) but SS2 breakable weapons, (super) scarce ammo and infinite respawning ennemies made me rage quit after 2-3 hours...
This is amazing, and great commentary along the way!
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I personally perfer glitchless runs but why would someone hate on another for doing/liking those? Would be like hating on someone for cooking eating mashed potatoes instead of baked.
I coudnt bring myself to finish this game, Body of the many was just to much, i finished alien isolation in the hardest difficuty (nightmare i supose) and that didnt stress me as much as this game, you sir are very talented.
Why do you go so slowly? Do you think this is some kind of game?
Are You always this slow, insect?
I heard that too! I was listening to the background talk, hearing all kinds of stuff. It's been a long time since I played so, I forgot about the 'intimidation'.
13:42
I hope Intended% becomes a thing for games that'd be a great meme.
I mean, he was technically abusing meta-knowledge of the door passwords, so he only gets partial intended% credit in my opinion
There's classic% in gta speedrunning which disallows mission skipping, save abuses and taxi drive skips
or crybaby percent
isn´t that just Glitchless? i mean i get it someone might find switching difficulties lame, or memorizing codes dumb, and other things like that, but that´s why categories exist
Recommended to me randomly 8 years after the fact, enjoyed the vid
Thanks, glad you liked it.
tfw you waste an hour of your life proving an anonymous 14 year old wrong on the Internet (jk, no time is wasted on System Shock)
Probably the most productive hour of my life
M1 i like the way you roll
M1 to be fair it's glorious how you still complete the game so quickly even with all those restrictions.
M1 I would take many hours to complete the game
@@M1Account More productive than whatever that twat waffle was doing at the time (besides shitting and pissing themselves that a speedrunner SPEEDRAN the game)
Also, MEMORIZING IN-GAME MECHANICS IS CHEATING.... BRUH WHAT IS THIS GUY SMOKING
Jesus Christ, haven't even watched the video yet, but 59 minute video beating system shock 2 with no glitches?
Damn, didn't even think it was possible.
Best speed runs are ones without glitches and played properly
@@Deadsmegma false
@@Deadsmegma then watch the no glitch category, it exists for a reason
Oh man I can't help but notice that Silverbolt Coyote never replied to this video.
XD
I wonder why 🤔
@@xCynder hes propably shitting on another speedrunners or searching for glitch runs and then cry about it in the comments xd
21:12 Thats a glitch, so the run doesnt count
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Lol
I have this glitch too
This is actually my favorite speedrun of any game ever. A type of satirical run, self aware and fun to watch (not to undermine your actual skill). Wish there were more like these. Your channel is great btw!
Thanks a lot buddy. I would also like to see other speedrunners make up a category to mock haters.
Dude i come back to this vid every few months cuz its so good. Its so hilarious and the way you explain things is entertaining. Thanks for making this masterpiece
Glad you like it so much, thank you.
DAMN IT. Now I gotta re-install SS2. It's Deus Ex all over. OH GOD. Now I gotta re-install Deus Ex. What's next? Thief?OOHHHHGOD. I gotta re-install Thief 1 and 2.
Well, there goes my week. See you all in 6 days.
@@B-26354 Take out Tiberium Dawn, add Baldur's Gate 1 & 2 and you have my standard playlist.
Only 6?
@@B-26354 I got got almost the same, just Red Alert 2 instead of Tiberium Dawn.
Looks like he...stepped through the looking glass. :D
If anyone has a problem with glitch speedruns, then don't watch them, go and watch "no glitch" speedruns
Yeah it's like....go for the category that suits you.
But those people have no brains to think so they complain regardless.
*Complain about something*
*Guy roasts you with a speedrun*
Would suck to be Silverbolt Coyote.
4 years later I bet he was never seen from again.....
Well done insect, you really showed that pathetic creature of meat and bone.
I really need to play through SS2 again.
Haha i automatically read your comment with Ragnaross voice ^^ WELL DONE INSECT!
And I think that there should be a mod for Heartstone, changing Ragnaros into SHODAN
"Die, Insect!"
this is one of the most hilarious flexes ive seen. good shit, I hope you had fun with your crybaby% run.
Thanks man, I did
I came for panting and sweating as you ru-run through her corridors
I got a "how can you challenge a perfect, immortal machine"
t-t-t-ten out of ten
I like how the crybaby complains about glitches and then, asked to define rules for their ideal speedrun, tell you that you can't engage with half of the game's intended mechanics either.
uhhhh melee is CLEARLY a glitch, no developers would INTENTIONALLY code the ability for players to hit enemies with objects.
No psyonics!
...Perhaps Shodan/Polito was right in being upset at use for being so "slow."
That delacroix impression was spot on my man
Thanks, I practiced hard.
Crybaby% is my new fave. Thanks bro! More games needs this.
Remember that it is my will that guided you here.
It's been six years, please tell us your theory on why Disruption grenades act the way they do, and why that one cyborg assassin is such an idiot
I realize that the majority of these strats are entirely obsolete, but this is one of my favorite speedruns of all time. Maybe it's the commentary that makes it for me.
Thanks. There's no doubt that running "arbitrary" categories like this can bring out some interesting strats, obsolete or not.
M1 if the category is fun for you then you should do more of them...I found it really interesting to watch. You wreaked system shock 2 lol
Been watching your speedruns of SS2 for a while - thanks! Exploits are a fact of life for speedrunning, but reductions by pure skill always seem more impressive to me, and you are obviously very good at those :)
I'm glad to finally see a "real" speedrun
he's joking m8
woosh
18:08
It wouldn't be a proper speedrun without a "literally never happened". God bless.
Amazing speed run for still one of the greatest game of all time. One of the best speed runs of all time.
Thanks a lot!
Come back to this video every so often to have a good chuckle.
Your love for Robocop is appreciated.
would like to see this speedrun again but having to find the appropriate code audio logs, Ultimate Crybaby Speedrun.
2021 - just replaying my all time favourite game, so I found your speedruns. really love it.
Thanks, and I'm so glad you appreciate the game. Have fun.
Watching you speedrun one of my favorite games of all time is making me feel a certain way. Subbed
My definition of a "speedrun" is trying to complete the game as fast as possible. If that's your goal then I don't see a problem with glitches. But if someone does have a problem just have "speedrun no glitches" and "speedrun with glitches".
William Gregg So its just any% and glitchless
0:33 in and I'm triggered. Let's say you own a game, it's your favorite game, you play it all the time. One day you decide to challenge yourself how fast you can play it through from start to finish.
Let's say this game is Super Mario Bros, and you get to the level 8-4 where you have to take the right pipes to get to the end. You don't "play dumb" and take the wrong ones deliberately because... whatever.. or like that one part in the level 4-4 where you must take the bottom route. Or like in the level 7-4 (no-warp-pipe run ) where you must take the right *combination* of paths in order to finish. You don't get intentionally the *combination* wrong because you "shouldn't" know them.
Get it? A *combination*? Like in a keypad? A *combination* that you know beforehand, which you should somehow conveniently forget.
Another example is that if you know that an enemy will spawn first from the door A, then two [whatevers] spawn right behind you. You don't play dumb in those scenarios either. Timing enemies or events are a direct result of this "forbidden knowledge": knowing where to toss a grenade, where to place a box, how long to wait, what dialogue options to choose, what guns to use/keep, what upgrades to get, knowing that you should shoot the green one first.
Speedruns are about *knowledge* of the game and mastery of it through that knowledge. It's about beating the game as it is, using its own mechanics against it and with the skill acquired playing the game and games in general. You know what you know, and you apply that to your run, that's why we have individual people running speedruns, because different people have accumulated different knowledge about the game and its rules and mechanics (one of those mechanics might be static passwords) If you know that the game allows you to pass through a wall from a certain point, why wouldn't you use that if you can? Because of honor? Dude, the game is your obstacle and you are trying to get past/beat that obstacle as quickly as possible.
*tl;dr: You can play a game for the first time only once. Then after that it's "cheating" if you follow the logic used in those comments.*
PS. I myself consider clipping and skipping large portions of a level the dullest parts in speedruns, but to me they aren't cheating. No one cares but: I personally like tricks negating fall damage, outsmarting A.I., timing stunts, doing something before it was intended and using unconventional tricks to gain the upper hand (e.g. intentionally taking damage/even dying, killing an ally, destroying something you shouldn't)
Any way now back to the video :D
This is a great comment. Very well said.
Lately I've been playing some older games I missed during my childhood and teenage years. Some of these have been games I've had spoiled for me pretty significantly, and some I'm going into pretty much blind. It's a stark difference.
When I was streaming Wind Waker recently, several people said something along the lines of "I have no idea how I figured this out as a kid" when watching me figure out puzzles, even though they already knew the solution. Basically my point is, the idea of using foreknowledge in speedrunning being considered "cheating" is completely asinine. As you said, you can only play a game for the first time once. Even if it was years ago and your memory of it is blurry, it's still not even close to the same experience.
To be fair, the guy who made the comment I'm responding to w/ this video didn't mention this idea. Maybe I should have made a response to the guy who made that particular comment, since it's actually a lot funnier. But that would have just made this run more tedious so nah.
+M1
This might be a bit redundant reply, but to nail it in I'll post it anyway:
The foreknowledge can be as subtle as knowing how much you have to fear the enemies, do they take cover, do they flush you out, with or without grenades, can I run through enemy fire(I think this is very important when doing a speed run on certain games) These are things which you don't know when playing for the very first time.
Just after the first playthrough one already knows so many things about he game like: what does the friggin' Super Star do in practice, how good is the shotgun, how many weapons there are, how enemies react to alarms/gunshots/noise, how to take advantage of that, can you hide in vents, is it worth to collect every item, how abundant is ammo/health.
Then there is tactile learning like: does the player character stop exactly when needed, or does he/he slide because of the momentum, how much you can control the character mid-air. Some games are much more "stickier" that others, (compare Doom to Amnesia). These are very subtle, and probably unconscious things you learn and get better at, but none the less the experience is different on each playthrough.
When the game is new, you have no idea what to expect and to what to pay attention to (that feeling is so great, I love being lost in the game,) but eventually you'll learn the boundaries and the limits of it, then it's about squeezing them tighter, knowing the game and taking every advantage of it.
It's a bit like some teachers that tell you off for knowing things you shouldn't have learnt yet.
All that said, I get the main point.. myself. You're absolutely right. You only get that rush once. I might like a certain game but, after that first time through, the 'magic's gone'. I play through some games over and over to expand - if I can - the area. I just know that I missed things from the 1st time. I'm still finding shit in games like Final Fantasy 7, 8 or 9. They just packed so much in with side quests and stuff. But, I get what you're saying. Every player is different, as are the runs. I've watched numerous people speed run this game and every one of them was different. Everybody has something to bring to the table. And, ya know what? I STILL suck! Takes me fucking hours to get through this! My problem has always been getting used to a mouse n keyboard. I've always been more comfortable with a controller..so, I suck. I didn't finish Half-Life until it got ported to PS 2. I've missed out on some good shit that didn't get ported too! And, what the hell ever happened to Kingpin?! Remember that one? That was the 'Manhunt' of PC at the time. It just fell off the planet. No port. No remake. Nothing. I hope somebody realizes that at some point. Thanks, Man. I'm with ya on this one!
the strafe-running being faster thing is actually a very well-known quirk of the Dark Engine, both Old and New. It's just baked in. I don't know why.
I remember seeing someone post somewhere that it had to do with the forward / backward directions having a separate 'velocity' applied to it which overlaps with the left / right 'velocity' making you have extra when you do both
Sounds right to me and it's stuck in my brain for a few years but can't say I know for sure
I'm sure some keyboard warriors would consider "knowing the codes ahead of time" to be an exploit
I'm only 3 minutes into this video so far, and I already know I'm going to love this video.
hope you enjoyed
I did, man. Inspired me to try to learn how to speed run this game. I'm having difficulty getting the firs cutscene skip with the light armor. Haven't had a lot of time to practice it haha
I agree with the premise behind this, I miss the old impossible% with no OoB, as you had to actually learn most of the game and the route rather than engineering, hydro then OoB.
I agree, inbounds route is the best route. I have my own opinions about what routes/rules are best for various runs, this vid was just to make fun of the people who get mad or act like assholes about people running any%.
Well there are always going to be those who just want to do any% and go for the fastest time possible no matter the strat/route, and then those of us who want to actually have to learn more tricks and more of the game, it's more fun to show off "How to play the game the way it was intended - but fast" Or at least with as few sequence breaks as possible and with no Out of Bounds which can ruin some runs and in the case of games like Zelda games can make runs.
Nice work on the run. You're beating my time by about 12 hours.
Your mouse control, and how quickly you grab things out of corpses, shows great precision. Great speedrun, and great skills. Thanks for sharing. Love this game. 20:00 Your Marie Delacroix needs work haha! It is not the first audio log, the first is the one that gives you the 45100 code to get you out of hard vacuum. :)
Hey thanks, that's so kind of you. Also, I think I meant to say the first log you find of Delacroix in particular.
wow m1 great moves keep up the good work proud of u
Hats off to you for not being snarky in your commentary throughout the run. I don't think I would be able to resist the temptation. xD Great run, congrats!
"These laser turrets can tear you to shreds, but if you have armor piercing ammo and burst mode *POP POP* you can tear them to shreds.
Chad moment. Makes me want to try this Crybaby% run.
I'm coming after this record.
Please no
I just finished the game today and my first reflex was to check out what the speedrun looks like, nice video dude!
Increase video speed to 2.
Wow! That is a damn good speed run.
Yeah that that audiolog from dele troy is pretty funny, thx for the speedrunnin tips. Yeah even tho I play casually the diagonal running is great for getting around the ships. Burst fire is king
The protocol droid at 40:05 made me laugh. It just waved at you when you turned to face it.
Acquire pistols, disregard monster's.
1 crybaby disliked this video
already 2. Looks like they're multiplying like bacteria
8 now. Slowly they are growing.
32 crybabies
ya know, SS2 might kinda be before my time but i really appreciate the classics (and the history behind them)
SHODAN giving you shit for being slow is probably my favorite thing in this video. Close second is the pure meme fuckery premise.
“Why do you go so slowly?” Shut up, SHODAN 😂
wait wait
did one of those comments said that remembering door codes in order to speedrun the game is cheating?
what in the actual ass are these people made out of
it's like "GTA San Andreas speedrun" and the run has 17 hours
well not exactly a SPEED run and if i wanted to watch somoene simply beating missions i would watch gta missions
I also want to run like a crybaby.
I WANT TO HUG M1
I don't know why I just now got a notification for this comment but I want to hug you too.
Gay.
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Just played and finished this for the first time a couple days ago. It's beautiful seeing someone with an encyclopedic knowledge of the game just destroy it in a speedrun. Now I didn't find this game as tough or unclear about it's mechanics as most stories I'd heard about it imply it was, but you make it look like a kids toy. Great video.
Speedrunning for in-in insects
Nice run and good on you for providing a run with these rules.
after raging at the game and throwing my grenades at the cyber assassins after choking shodan for a minute after a 13:30 pace run, i can confirm that you only need 4 heavy and level 1 modified gl to oneshot them. great meme
best flex ever
it's just hilarious that you answering with the crybaby% to some kind of a schoolboy just to prove that he is wrong lol
great run man! really great job❤
This game is old af, but still a masterpiece.
Unironically a good category (minus the lack of cutscene skips)
I love the level of spite that went into making this run lmao.
BTFO hahahaha
The voice acting part killed me. Have you considered grabbing the Game Pig and a game or two and using that to pass the time during the cutscene? That's what I do on my casual playthroughs because it's disrespectful to SHODAN
Guy speedrunning, meanwhile (Shodan): Are you awlays this slow?
Low-key had some Janeway feels about Polito...Champ enters cooldown mode...👌
6 years later i find this and its gonna make me watch robocop for the first time.
The first time? Hope you enjoy.
Huh, this game really aged well.
This is amazing. Best speed run I've ever seen. Hot damn.
Gonna have to start trying to speed run this game. Not to be competitive but simply because it's one of my favorite games so...why not.
i have absolutely no idea why people don't enjoy glitches in speedruns. it's the main draw for me. if i wanted to just watch someone play a game quickly with no tricks to go faster then i'd just run a let's play at double speed.
Says the guy who has obviously never seen a glitchless speedrun. Guess what, it actually takes skill to go fast in glitchless speedruns. That's the trick.
He made this comment on a glitchless speedrun...
Doesn't mean he actually watched it. Someone who says that a glitchless speedrun is like a let's play at double speed clearly doesn't know what they're talking about.
I agree. A speedrun for me is all about to go as fast as possible. Glitches should be allowed in a speedrun. Cheating is a different story.
Some people would say that exploiting glitches in a game is a type of
cheating as it's doing something that was never intended to be done by the game's designers. You can't say you're playing Chess when you're using every pawn as though it were a queen.
Similarly, you can't say you're speedrunning a certain game when you're not actually playing that game.
As much as I love Zylon and the rest of the SS2 community, I have to take your side on the speedrunning 'rules' people try to force on you.
You are by far, hands down, THE best SS2 player I've ever seen. Watching this was truly a privilege. SS2 is my favorite game of all time, my number 2 being the original Deus Ex and my number 3 being Fallout 2.
I feel like a piddling idiot watching this, my first SS2 run took me about 7 1/2 - 8 hours to complete, though I was intentionally bumbling around optional areas to explore and loot shit. Now-a-day's I can do an Impossible run in about 3 1/2 hours, and that's trying really fucking hard.
Also..
Disruption grenades do NOT get the level bonuses like the other ones (namely frag) do. It's considered Level 6 ammo, so like all Level 6 weapons and other max tier ammo, it benefits 0% from leveling weapon skills. On Heavy level one, disruptions beat Frags, from 3 up, they do NOT. The GL is the most powerful weapon ingame, as it's the level 1 HW so it gets ALL the bonuses to damage from level ups. A Mod 2 GL with Level 6 HW using frags can one shot most enemies in the game.
So if that's your theory, you'd be right. Disruptions lose out to frags because unlike frags they get no bonuses from HW skill levels.
I believe ADaOB/SCP fixes this issue, but the vanilla game has it in full force.
Hey thanks, I'm glad you liked the run.
To be fair, "the rest of the SS2 community" hasn't really given me any shit. Other than the screenshots I showed in the video I think I got maybe 2 other negative comments. Also I think my first playthrough was like double that time, so yeah that sounds pretty good actually lol
SCP does, yeah. Not sure about ADaOB; I never read the changelog that closely, and ever since it got merged into SCP I can't go look lol
I will say one thing that I think is kinda poo, talking about SCP/ADadOB, is that between versions (either between the transition from ADaOB to SCP or between an earlier version of SCP to a later version) the devs changed the Assault Rifle from a Level 3 SW to a Level 6 SW.
So sadly I can no longer go Navy (SW, Agility, Hack) and never touch SW and put those points elsewhere more useful lol.
Of course in my most recent playthrough I decided to just use the console to give myself a bunch of points so I could build my character the way I wanted. So.
zylonbane and voodoo47 are such nerds lol
I'm just here to say when you put "man" in quotes, I felt that.
You slowly but surely do become Robo-Cop in the game from all the Cyber Mods
lol my first time it took more than 59 minutes just to get to the maintenance hatch
Dude you're the best.
seeing no bad guys in the tunnels HOW! THEY WERE FILLED ON EASY WHEN I WAS PLAYING!
You mean in Engineering? It's just luck where you'll end up finding them. At one point I encounter three of them at once. I still usually find more overall than this.
That burst-mode,though!
God bless spite man, it produces so many amazing things. I love spite. I thoroughly enjoyed this. silverbolt coyote has been pwned the hardest anyone ever has in the history of ownership, since the concept of property was invented by man in prehistory.
subscribed out of respect for the skill and the attitude towards that moron that inspired this run. that, and you're really fun to watch!
Appreciated. Hopefully I can upload more stuff soon.
I first played ss2 when I was a kid, only played for a while never finished it (never passed med lol). Last year I decided after getting it on steam to play it blind dont look for guides anything and it took me a long ass time but damn it was worth it. After that I decided to check speedruns and I got one of yours, I was totally amazed Wow this took me 14 hours and he does it in minutes!.
I just dont understand people that ocmplain on remembering codes or using glitches a frigging speedrun is about getting to the end as fast as possible... you can finish old pokemon games in 00:00 game by arranging items or you can literally affect the code of the game in super mario world to finish it (and even make other games in the game).
come the fuck on
I just beat this game last year. So amazing. Nice run.
Thanks, glad you like the game!
It's sad that I have to admit this, but I haven't beaten this game yet, so I will just wait until after I reclaim my GOG account to finish watching this.
I advise you don't come back until you beat it so you get the proper blind experience. Hope you enjoy finishing the game!
Crybaby% Sounds perfect
Great to see you took his challenge and champed through it :D Too bad i didn't see him commenting this video, but didn't want to dig too much.
Might actually be fun to see people race different games with rulesets, that are given say a few hours in advance. Would need people to have vast knowledge of the game (like you have), and would probably result in widely varying run strategies by participants.
There are some games people do randomizer races with, I think SS2 would be a really good game for that. If some more people pick up the game I would love to organize that.
man, I don't have time for this. that 12 min one was waaayyyy better
I've been replaying System Shock 2 for like the 5th time or so lately, so watching an hour long video of someone else playing it is still way shorter than my actual playthrough... even if it's not his 12 minute runs. ;)
How could I not have found this a year ago, r.i.p QwQ
That's the Trioptimum way!
I respect speedrunners even more now
one of my all time faves, great job man
DEAD OR ALIVE YOU'RE COMING WITH ME
No PSI is a pretty stupid rule considering they're an intended part of the game. Ditto melee. I personally think the invincibility glitch is kinda lame though. Even so, routing and accurate movement require skill. I'd like to see the whiny pricks beat accomplished speed runners on glitched Any%. It's like people who get winded going to the fridge for another beer shouting advice at professional athletes on TV.
I would like a no glitch speed run, but still nice job
I think the issue is variety. until recently anyone looking for a speedrun where every single level that the person spent hours and hours playing (even on the same day of search) was completed impossibly fast and with absurd accuracy and excellence would find that the only option of run on youtube would be the glitch any%. its okay to have a glitch run, thats the nature of speedrun, its the creative endeavor of reaching the end screen without typing in cheats, just using the same tools anyone would have at launch, its all valid, but no one bothered to try (or at least to upload to youtube) a glitchless impossible difficulty any% run until now... that may be the basis of most people's frustration i suppose.
I definitely get that. I run some other games and don't do any% (like Cave Story, which I'm only interested in going for Best Ending in). I also enjoy watching some of the less-skilled runners of some more competitive games like Super Metroid, because I enjoy seeing how they do things differently, or how they handle their mistakes - like you mentioned, variety. What I don't get is these brain-damaged fools saying it's literally cheating to use glitches, being rude and entitled about it, especially when they betray that they don't know 10% about the game the runner does.
I hope you're happy to know this is the very first SS2 speedrun I've ever seen. Thanks for that. Also Based for Robocop.
Yeah I am, thank you.
Exploits are one of the main reasons speedruns are so good though...
Thanks to this run I might try to play SS2 again. I loved SS1 and pretty much all Immersive Sims I've played (Deus Ex serie, Prey...) but SS2 breakable weapons, (super) scarce ammo and infinite respawning ennemies made me rage quit after 2-3 hours...
Dang I'm glad the vid made you feel that way. Not every game is for everyone, but I hope you enjoy your next playthrough.
This is amazing, and great commentary along the way!
I personally perfer glitchless runs but why would someone hate on another for doing/liking those? Would be like hating on someone for cooking eating mashed potatoes instead of baked.
I coudnt bring myself to finish this game, Body of the many was just to much, i finished alien isolation in the hardest difficuty (nightmare i supose) and that didnt stress me as much as this game, you sir are very talented.
44:40 was it ever revealed why that particular cyber assassin is an idiot?