What makes autoloader op is the fact that they can burst an insane amount of damage in one clip, and then taking cover, making themselves invisible. This is a problem to normal loader because tanks with this mechanism have to peak a lot to fire, and wouldn't be able to store reserve shells when they're taking cover.
I remember times when autoloaders didn’t have DPM. It made so much sense. Although I don’t find TVP players much of a problem (most of them just shoot one clip and die)… Autoloaders deserve some increased reload time. Then the matches will less likely end in 1-2 minutes.
@@MarTimatorup until they get unspotted 60m away from you, you shoot another opponent & then they’re magically unspotted, in the middle of your reload. If a 183 can do it with the worst camo in the game, a T57 heavy can for sure
My favourite counter to clippers is when you have a good hull down tank, because they often bounce you and then you can just push for 15-20 seconds if they don't move
Fast mobile tanks with huge alpha are pretty much one of the only good counters to autoloaders. Like the Sheridan, only peak once shoot and reverse out before you get hit twice or tracked by even a TVP.
The most concerning thing with TVP 50/51 is that, on its PC version, TVP has the same clip, same reload, slightly higher alpha. That's fine because there are artilleries and way crazier clippers in there. But in Blitz Version, TVP's allowed to stay pretty much the same on its PC version beside the alpha got nerfed by 10, everything that appears on PC is way weaker than its PC version, but TVP's allowed to stay 99% the same just like its PC version is ... somewhat cringe to me. It's easy to say that you just don't allow them to clip, there are situations you can't do anything but to afford to take the whole clip in order to achieve something.
autoloader basically benefits from a "selfish" mentality where you can still maximize your damage output as long as you dump the clip out. this is, compared to other thanks hwy have to constantly engage a enemy, have an upper advantage as long as you can minimize the expose time. that time also includes the time to move from point A/B which is precious DPM loss for the singleshots- not for clippers, as long as they do empty their mag before moving.
I may have missed it. But my point with autoloaders is. Say your a long time good/ great player. A 60% er. You occasionally get shot by newbs it happens. A shit here or there. Now autoloaders come out massively and the newb or whomever. Instead of a occasionally 250 alpha shot in you. Now is 750 damage to 1k damage. If it happens once or twice a game. Your odds go way down of winning or carrying consistently. So now your just a good/ great 55%. Even though you know every tank and its play style. And every good player and clan. It happened on my first account. Not exactly like that, but close enough. And i have beat every great player in the game occasionally. The secret to that is to play conservatively and finish them off in the end. While your team has wore them down some. Unless they are just decimating your team. Then you need to attack sooner. Toodles
I typically play heavily armoured HTs and play in a position the autoloader cant pen me. Or they just miss cause im a wiggly boy. And then rush the sutoloader for 2 of my own shots while their on reload
Now i have a question, how to survive with trash teammates? No communication or anything, i go flank, all just go one direction and die in a swarm. If i die or they die, they swear and stuff yk..... Am just tired of getting trash team.
I won't mention the name of another TH-camr, except to say if you drop the R from his name it means the same as dicks, blathered recently about the TVP being "OP" and proceeded to prove it by showing replays of enemy cruising about in the open that he could pick off. I just noticed he's posted a new video about the same tank, probably in a juvenile fit of "I'll show that guy". No doubt, dud enemies again. Even in this video here, you must question the enemies more than credit the tank. In my experience, which is as an average player, these autoloaders are easy to deal with. Simple rule is never be alone, and if you are, ensure you have a rock or building to help defend against them. A shot or two will typically miss or be blocked, which allows you to retaliate. Another option is try push them into a corner and trap them. Before I announce a tank as "OP", I want to see the win rate by players under 50%. I recall when the Polish medium CS-52 LIS was leading the win rates. Why? Because it was a tank only elite players could primarily get, and so it did well. What is the win rate now that almost everyone got it free?
I totally agree. I can't tell you how many times I see bad TVP players YOLO in the first 45 seconds and immediately die. And then, they complain about their 'bad' team. Yeh, right.
The most effective way to counter a good tvp player is to throw your ineffective teammates under the bus and have them be clipped while you attack the tvp. If there are no bad players to throw under the bus, you land under the bus.
I was mad everyone used TVP, I joined the fun and now everyone else suffers. The tvp is too strong, and I'm saying that because it's busted even if you play it or others play it. It's not just the fast clip and damage... the turret is also extremly accurate, fast and has good penetration.
That's a very good point you make, ultimately the game is defined by the players, not the tanks. However, I think a lot of the frustration against autoloaders comes from the fact that a lot of people playing them simply don't have this "game awareness" and just yoloes in against any and all common sense, deal over a thousand damage, leave still alive. In this sense, autoloaders just nullify the strategy aspect and encourages them throw out hp in order to have a big damage dopamine rush.
Except they are still very powerful because they will outtrade any tank in the game (unless they’re very bad). Get caught in a bad position for a bit? There goes your hp. Managed to bounce the autoloader (mainly applies to T57) bc of rng? Time to take a shell right back (unless you’re well armoured on the turret) Not fast enough to reach your position? Time to take 1-2 shells whilest going there. They’re masters are punishing any slight mistake you make, especially when played by solid players.
@@LuxEternis If you're skilled enough, you'd know how to trade with an autoloader though. For example, for one shell they fire, you shoot and pull back. In practice it may not work but its about trying to keep the trade even.
autoloaders are overpowered only because they can annihilate other equally skilled players in 4.5 seconds. Overpowered never meant overpowered for everybody even the smasher is not overpowered for 40%ers. it meant it has the capability to grant a significant advantage against equal skill opponents. In that regard all autoloaders are overpowered as it grants an undeniable advantage in almost every situation when compared to a single shot tank. And your arguement where "Oh people cant fight it thats the only reason their strong" is litteraly irrelevent because that is exactly the 2nd reason why their overpowered 1:the ability to trade 1 shot for 4 and just hide behind a wall/team or just run 2:"people dont know how to fight them" 3: 1540 damage can be dealt to any player of the idiotic 50b players choice. autoloaders discourage a tank like the e5 from doing its job because a 50b can just drive over the canyon hill and leave you with barely a thousand hp. just like how a single extremely insignificant mistake can demolish you because got yoloed for no reason doing your job perfectly fine a single adult creating shit videos in his mothers basement about a niche skill based game who gets no views can still argue that autoloaders are not overpowered which makes his entire "career" as a "wotb youtuber" completely pointless because he is failing to have any negative opinion against litteraly anything even if it ruins the game for the majority of the playerbase who do not know how to deal with 50bs, tvps, t57s and 2 shot m6 yohs.
I am gonna have to disagree with you on this one mat . Mobile autoloaders like tvp and t57 shouldn't be able to fuck you for 1200 while also mobility to run away . Literally every 5 games you get that one autoloader that rushes you and either he dies or he ruins your game and you can't do nothing about it other than to camp like a td . I am okay with autoloaders like 50B and 4005 because once they poke out they have to unload the full clip to maintain a good DPM and by that time if you can't react it's your fault . But a tank like tvp can flank you do 1200 damage and wizz away in 6 sec and a t57 heavy can kill most tier 10's in 30 sec . It makes playing a single shot tank like t110e5 ,Vickers , Fv215b pointless .
Bro serions 1,6k dmg in 7.5 sec IS not broken bruh (without consumable ) For exemple A 45% amx 50b retarde yolo rush me i take 1.5k dmg he die but i still Lost 1,5k health and ruine my game I use this methode and i won with a AVR 3.5k dmg with 67% win8 juste by yolo enemi tank (with 50b) BTW t57 heavy IS broken second game i did 7.2k dmg because 18 sec for 1.2k in 5sec (without the boost) IS busted (sry for Bad english) I think wg need to delete thé consumables and make thé intraclip like before 9.1
It’s not a tank’s class or specialty fault that the vast majority of the player-base is illiterate in terms of Blitz’s linguistics. Just saying. Get better, do better.
What makes autoloader op is the fact that they can burst an insane amount of damage in one clip, and then taking cover, making themselves invisible.
This is a problem to normal loader because tanks with this mechanism have to peak a lot to fire, and wouldn't be able to store reserve shells when they're taking cover.
I remember times when autoloaders didn’t have DPM. It made so much sense. Although I don’t find TVP players much of a problem (most of them just shoot one clip and die)… Autoloaders deserve some increased reload time. Then the matches will less likely end in 1-2 minutes.
2-3 more seconds for clip reload on each wouldnt hurt yea
I hate TVP autoloaders, they are literally just a nusiance to the match and they always die between 1-2 clips
It's fun and games until a autoloader comes out of nowhere while you're on a reload
Well, no tank will come out of nowhere when you got excellent game awareness
@@MarTimatorup until they get unspotted 60m away from you, you shoot another opponent & then they’re magically unspotted, in the middle of your reload. If a 183 can do it with the worst camo in the game, a T57 heavy can for sure
@@LuxEternisHow about when u spot an autoloader on a reload?
@@dave5505 you put a bullet into him and he runs away *ehem tvp T50/51*
@@simonmarcu01 Yes but their reload is much longer than normal.
That t62a has insane luck that both your shells did not pen for some reason
My favourite counter to clippers is when you have a good hull down tank, because they often bounce you and then you can just push for 15-20 seconds if they don't move
Fast mobile tanks with huge alpha are pretty much one of the only good counters to autoloaders. Like the Sheridan, only peak once shoot and reverse out before you get hit twice or tracked by even a TVP.
there are some situations that autoloaders can trade massive dmg in amount of short time but at the same time they could fall apart
The most concerning thing with TVP 50/51 is that, on its PC version, TVP has the same clip, same reload, slightly higher alpha. That's fine because there are artilleries and way crazier clippers in there.
But in Blitz Version, TVP's allowed to stay pretty much the same on its PC version beside the alpha got nerfed by 10, everything that appears on PC is way weaker than its PC version, but TVP's allowed to stay 99% the same just like its PC version is ... somewhat cringe to me.
It's easy to say that you just don't allow them to clip, there are situations you can't do anything but to afford to take the whole clip in order to achieve something.
"Did you get nuked for 1200 hit points from an unspotted auto loader continously tracking you?"
"You're just bad at the game lol"
autoloader basically benefits from a "selfish" mentality where you can still maximize your damage output as long as you dump the clip out. this is, compared to other thanks hwy have to constantly engage a enemy, have an upper advantage as long as you can minimize the expose time. that time also includes the time to move from point A/B which is precious DPM loss for the singleshots- not for clippers, as long as they do empty their mag before moving.
Bro really said skill issue
I may have missed it.
But my point with autoloaders is. Say your a long time good/ great player. A 60% er. You occasionally get shot by newbs it happens. A shit here or there. Now autoloaders come out massively and the newb or whomever. Instead of a occasionally 250 alpha shot in you. Now is 750 damage to 1k damage. If it happens once or twice a game. Your odds go way down of winning or carrying consistently. So now your just a good/ great 55%.
Even though you know every tank and its play style. And every good player and clan. It happened on my first account. Not exactly like that, but close enough. And i have beat every great player in the game occasionally. The secret to that is to play conservatively and finish them off in the end. While your team has wore them down some.
Unless they are just decimating your team. Then you need to attack sooner. Toodles
Most of what you said can be applied to any tank. Why was the extended reloading time never touched on?
I mean, ‚tank that is reloading = easy target‘ should be clear
@@MarTimator most of what you said was clear it just got repeated a lot.
I typically play heavily armoured HTs and play in a position the autoloader cant pen me. Or they just miss cause im a wiggly boy. And then rush the sutoloader for 2 of my own shots while their on reload
Now i have a question, how to survive with trash teammates?
No communication or anything, i go flank, all just go one direction and die in a swarm.
If i die or they die, they swear and stuff yk.....
Am just tired of getting trash team.
If they don’t know what to do with themselves, do them (make them effective by extending your own effectiveness through their hitpoints)
@@MarTimator u mean make them my armour 💀? Dam ok 💀
I won't mention the name of another TH-camr, except to say if you drop the R from his name it means the same as dicks, blathered recently about the TVP being "OP" and proceeded to prove it by showing replays of enemy cruising about in the open that he could pick off. I just noticed he's posted a new video about the same tank, probably in a juvenile fit of "I'll show that guy". No doubt, dud enemies again. Even in this video here, you must question the enemies more than credit the tank. In my experience, which is as an average player, these autoloaders are easy to deal with. Simple rule is never be alone, and if you are, ensure you have a rock or building to help defend against them. A shot or two will typically miss or be blocked, which allows you to retaliate. Another option is try push them into a corner and trap them. Before I announce a tank as "OP", I want to see the win rate by players under 50%. I recall when the Polish medium CS-52 LIS was leading the win rates. Why? Because it was a tank only elite players could primarily get, and so it did well. What is the win rate now that almost everyone got it free?
I totally agree. I can't tell you how many times I see bad TVP players YOLO in the first 45 seconds and immediately die. And then, they complain about their 'bad' team. Yeh, right.
Like 90% of 6k rated players are (or were i didnt check recently) using tvp as their main tank. I got it recently and its absolutely godly
The most effective way to counter a good tvp player is to throw your ineffective teammates under the bus and have them be clipped while you attack the tvp. If there are no bad players to throw under the bus, you land under the bus.
@@MarTimator "if you cant beat them, join them" - new TVP user
I was mad everyone used TVP, I joined the fun and now everyone else suffers. The tvp is too strong, and I'm saying that because it's busted even if you play it or others play it. It's not just the fast clip and damage... the turret is also extremly accurate, fast and has good penetration.
“Yes they are they literally be sometimes screw me” - T110E5 Pleb
how to survive when there's 2 tvp in 1 match?
Let them clip your teammates and shoot them when they reload :)
That's a very good point you make, ultimately the game is defined by the players, not the tanks. However, I think a lot of the frustration against autoloaders comes from the fact that a lot of people playing them simply don't have this "game awareness" and just yoloes in against any and all common sense, deal over a thousand damage, leave still alive. In this sense, autoloaders just nullify the strategy aspect and encourages them throw out hp in order to have a big damage dopamine rush.
good tips buddy
I asked 🗿🍷
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Old man vs young man.
Good review Marti
Some tanks are better then others BUT the player can make it OP. Some other TH-camrs (Drod) says the tank is OP.
FINALLY! Someone understands how to fight autoloaders and doesn't cry about them!!! Thank you Marti!!!!
Except they are still very powerful because they will outtrade any tank in the game (unless they’re very bad).
Get caught in a bad position for a bit? There goes your hp.
Managed to bounce the autoloader (mainly applies to T57) bc of rng? Time to take a shell right back (unless you’re well armoured on the turret)
Not fast enough to reach your position? Time to take 1-2 shells whilest going there.
They’re masters are punishing any slight mistake you make, especially when played by solid players.
@@LuxEternis If you're skilled enough, you'd know how to trade with an autoloader though. For example, for one shell they fire, you shoot and pull back. In practice it may not work but its about trying to keep the trade even.
This makes sense. I still hate them though
I never asked, but good to know. Good video Marti 👍
Yes and no
autoloaders are overpowered only because they can annihilate other equally skilled players in 4.5 seconds. Overpowered never meant overpowered for everybody even the smasher is not overpowered for 40%ers. it meant it has the capability to grant a significant advantage against equal skill opponents. In that regard all autoloaders are overpowered as it grants an undeniable advantage in almost every situation when compared to a single shot tank. And your arguement where "Oh people cant fight it thats the only reason their strong" is litteraly irrelevent because that is exactly the 2nd reason why their overpowered
1:the ability to trade 1 shot for 4 and just hide behind a wall/team or just run
2:"people dont know how to fight them"
3: 1540 damage can be dealt to any player of the idiotic 50b players choice. autoloaders discourage a tank like the e5 from doing its job because a 50b can just drive over the canyon hill and leave you with barely a thousand hp.
just like how a single extremely insignificant mistake can demolish you because got yoloed for no reason doing your job perfectly fine a single adult creating shit videos in his mothers basement about a niche skill based game who gets no views can still argue that autoloaders are not overpowered which makes his entire "career" as a "wotb youtuber" completely pointless because he is failing to have any negative opinion against litteraly anything even if it ruins the game for the majority of the playerbase who do not know how to deal with 50bs, tvps, t57s and 2 shot m6 yohs.
The other half was unnecessary
At least my parents love me
I was not expecting the second part of that message. Bro 😂😂😂
sheesh, the chechen friends are thirsty today
Your writing is longer than my neighbour's marriage, congratulations.
I am gonna have to disagree with you on this one mat . Mobile autoloaders like tvp and t57 shouldn't be able to fuck you for 1200 while also mobility to run away . Literally every 5 games you get that one autoloader that rushes you and either he dies or he ruins your game and you can't do nothing about it other than to camp like a td . I am okay with autoloaders like 50B and 4005 because once they poke out they have to unload the full clip to maintain a good DPM and by that time if you can't react it's your fault . But a tank like tvp can flank you do 1200 damage and wizz away in 6 sec and a t57 heavy can kill most tier 10's in 30 sec . It makes playing a single shot tank like t110e5 ,Vickers , Fv215b pointless .
57 heavy and mobile? Nah
E5 is kinda pointless since Type 71 existed
you are Wotb phoenix SC lol at ;east you sound like him.
Autoloaders are OP cuz I can't play them for shit 😎
Bro serions 1,6k dmg in 7.5 sec IS not broken bruh (without consumable )
For exemple A 45% amx 50b retarde yolo rush me i take 1.5k dmg he die but i still Lost 1,5k health and ruine my game
I use this methode and i won with a AVR 3.5k dmg with 67% win8 juste by yolo enemi tank (with 50b)
BTW t57 heavy IS broken second game i did 7.2k dmg because 18 sec for 1.2k in 5sec (without the boost) IS busted (sry for Bad english)
I think wg need to delete thé consumables and make thé intraclip like before 9.1
It’s not a tank’s class or specialty fault that the vast majority of the player-base is illiterate in terms of Blitz’s linguistics. Just saying. Get better, do better.