Props to the company. They value y'all's feedback and continue to try to improve rather than hold grudges and blacklist TH-camrs like some other companies. (AsRock)
Bought bare bones B550. Populated mobo with a 5700G, 2x16GB (32GB) Crucial SODIMM DDR4-3200MHz, & Samsung SSD EVO Plus NVMe 1TB. Worked flawlessly on numerous performance tests. I ran tests on the APU with included 120w power brick or with Corsair SF750 80+ Platinum PSU (750 obvious overkill). The performance tests were essentially identical. Then tested with a MSI AMD Radeon RX6700 XT. Of course the results involving graphics was impressive, e.g., 3D Mark Time Spy graphics 1340 v 12121 (even CPU increased, 8435 v 9708), Fire Strike graphics 4209 v 34815, Night Raid graphics 17748 v 122743). CPU temp high was consistently in the lower seventies on Cinebench R20 & R23 and mid-seventies running Passmark Perf Test 10. I have another 5700G in an In-Win Chopin Pro mini-ITX case (not impressed with case, novelty) sans GPU and the CPU performance tests were better as the 5700G could be OC'd residing in a ROG Strix B550-I Gaming. When I tried over or under clocking the CPU in the Minis-Forum (Besstar Tech Limited B550) mobo the performance test scores decreased. Reset bios to OEM to get the best performance scores.
Your cat is not broken. Your cat is operating within' nominal parameters. I wonder if the quad display was meant to be done with some DisplayPort daisy chaining? I'm still skeptical that the iGPU alone could do that though.
I just went on to the Minis Forum website and they have already updated their website from quad 4K displays to Triple 4K displays. I'm glad that they appear to be receptive of the feedback that they get from reviewers. Also sadly though, they got rid of their 64GB of RAM/512 GB SSD option. :( If they had a 64 GB/1 TB option, it would be up for consideration. That would be AWESOME if they updated their BIOS so that you can drop a 5950X in there.
If it was as simple as a bios, firmware update to allow for a 5900 or a 5950x then I'd place an order for one today. As was said, if you use an external PSU for the gfx card then why not allow a higher core upgrade, turn down power consuption and still have access to those cores and threads. Maybe if Minisform and other form factor builders built a bios which actually applied settings and had say a default profile for the 5700G while in bios, a hardcoded factory locked profile for a 5900x and one for a 5950x and all you had access to was say ram speeds. That's a fair middle ground. No one would expect nor would it be fair to expect full fat performance from thoes processors in that FF. Thread and core count yes, all day every day and an easy compromise. Otherwise a very nice system. The 6xxx mobile series should be fun and interesting and perhaps even allow for higher C/T count which I'll happily pay for. Please, take my money. But fix your damn bios. As is, this is so so close to perfection and what even the most hardened high end users want. Build it and we will buy it.
Why go for 5900/5950? Because there’s no integrate gpu, so it means you had to use eGPU and that made this potential is a waste, b550 can’t deliver enough juice to show the superior of ryzen 9…also the cooler is just too small to handle anything exceed 65wh. Instead you should go for the HX version which actually have a cpu on par with desktop version and had igpu or build one yourself in sff case like velka 3.
@@NamelessPassenger Small form factor server. Even if it might lack some storage connections. Despite of that, would be excellent for, say, my use - as a small home server, with limited cTDP, and of VM/Dockers/Containers etc. Wouldn't need the graphics outside of it crashing so hard that the hypervisor won't start. In fact, the graphics/APU would just be wasted electricity. Edit: Could use the x16 port for a 10Gbit NIC, that might potentially be useful.
@@NamelessPassenger I feel you are missing the point of having all of those cores and threads in such a small form factor. It isn't for everyday normal computer usage but rather as a tiny hypervisor or server or a multitude of other use cases. Plus it'd just be very cool and fun.
@@kojack57 i understand he need cpu, but without gpu there’s no way it can post anything on the monitor. That’s why i said he should go for hx90. That thing had igpu and still maintain cores/threads
@@Nightykk i understand you don’t need powerful gpu…but at least it have igpu to post on monitor if you want to config or troubleshooting. That’s why i suggest hx90 where ryzen 9 have an igpu but still maintain cores/threads.
Seems like a much cheaper way of getting an external GPU than buying a thunderbolt box. If you use the PC in more than one location, but only need the eGPU in one of them, it seems very useful if a little niche. For example, it could be an occasional HTPC in the living room, then easily moved to another room for gaming or work. As for changing the CPU, just having the ability to put it in another system is quite handy, considering Lenovo's locking them to one machine on their SFF's.
this is an amazing video. you answered everything i wanted to know. and totally agree with you about wasted potential. i hope they do another version and fix these problems
I ordered a mini pc from this brand 6 months ago on Amazon but all display ports were broken. Or at least both the HDMI and DP stayed black with flashes of display every 5 seconds. Just long enough to see I was in windows. It worked well for exactly five minutes. As soon as I booted into windows the first time after making a user name, it just broke. I thought it was a shame. I really wanted it to work, it was great value for money. I have a Mele Quieter3Q now. Very pleased with it and quite the bargain. All Intel chips too. Anyway I got my money back. No problem.
Looks like a good stand alone mini PC's. Office work, students, streaming videos, and light gaming. Affordable access to a modern computer. A replacement for the old clunky OEM office desktops we have at work or school. The docking station accessories are just a novelty for fun. Not really practical. But the option is there. Good honest review 👍
Instead of cutting the 24 pin clip you can use a sleeved extension cable, where one end goes on the existing seasonic plug (not in the PSU itself like sleeved replacement cables) and the other in the MinisForum doodad Not everyone has sleeved extensions laying around admittedly, but I do use them for testing purposes as I can swap a whole PSU without unplugging the cables from the motherboard itself.
Right now, 5600X/5700X barely even POST with the B550, regardless of what speed the memory is running, and all they'll say is put in a 5700G instead. Avoid this entirely.
5:58 lol Shiek 🐈stealing the stage …. Bench space again lol 🥰😅😂🤣👍. I actually like the new package of this Minis Forum device and would consider a Pico psu (400-500w) ac/dc psu to power the rig and reduce it size 😇👍
Quad display is possible because DP supports daisy chaining two displays per port. Don't know if you can do two 4k displays with the version of DP they use, but 4 is definitely possible if you have support on the monitor side of things.
"I'm not sure how they would use quad 4K with this" Maybe the DP can support 2 separate video streams, I think DP 1.4 can. You have to use at least one monitor with a DP OUT tho, wich is not that common.
You can buy them but they are just as big It wont be like a laptop power brick as those can be smaller due to using higher volts than 12 psus I have 1 that came from 1st asic btc miners Its ofcourse thicker cord and is 4"x10"x3" and if i recall was 400w With a tiny fan And if they made a bigger psu to power everything that would mean it would use high voltages like 20v or more then need a lot more circuitry on the motherboard to break that down and also provide high amps to 12v pcie Lets just say it would lose size fast What they should have done is make a board that does convert to high amp 12v then you could use laptop psus on the dock aka pcie backplane Which im sure is just pass through so you could add any pcie backplane But then the cost of that board and psu would price this out
10:02 My cat Oscar also likes sleeping in positions like this, I think it's just an orange cat thing ;) Sometimes we suspect that nobody ever taught him how to be a cat properly because he was picked up as a stray... but maybe he just didn't pay much attention to cat lessons when he was a kitten.
I have one of it, I'm using it about 2 weeks and the BIOS that you show in the video it's really strange, I don't have any problem with mine for now. All changes on BIOS works as spected (PBO, Fan Curve, etc), did you tried to reset it by the hidden button? I had to do it in the first boot because I had some issues at the first boot.
Yes, your cat is broken! You could pet its belly and you still lived to tell the tale! :D That or you can be happy that you have a really solid bond with your cat and the trust is insanely high!
I would love to see them make an AM5 version with a properly working bios. That would have a lot of upgradability if AMD commits to forward compatibility with 3 generations of CPUs again.
Isn't the 5700g the most powerful APU that AMD makes? Pretty sure you can't get the 5900 or 5950 with an IGP. So you'd need to also buy a GPU. And an extra PSU. Suddenly I have to wonder why you'd buy a mini PC at all.
as to 4 monitors, you can connect 2 monitors 4k@60 or 4 monitors 4k@30, when you connect 4 monitors, 2 monitors go trough HDMI, and other two go trough DP port in MST mode, you need to have monitor support 1.2DP MST mode, with DP out, so you can daisychain monitors. other option to setup 4 monitors will be 3 monitors daisychain on DP and 1 in HDMI. DP daisychain is supported on all CGN and newer radeons (no sure which chips before CGN supported DP 1.2)
@@oumakavoula i didn't check minis web, but i'm talking about capabilities of radeon AGPU in combination with B550, and it can do that. it can't do 3 or 4 @ 60, because of bandwidth.
Cat is definitely broken, a normally working cat would have grabbed and rabbit kicked your arm when you dared touch its belly. As for the MiniPC it is a very interesting product, maybe a few too many issues for me to ever consider at this point but a later iteration with further improvements might make for a good secondary PC in the future. I quite like what they are doing with the dock and user expansions.
I really wish these APU systems would make room to fit full sized samsung B dye. The 5700G really flies with 4400-4600 C16/C17. With the cooling this reletively windy interior would provide could let you push it to the max(i've gottem my 5700G to 1:1:1 up to 4933CL17-17-17-30 with improved sub timings, though that required disabling the iGPU as it seems to lose peroformance going past 4600C16.
That CPU installation render is way too funny. Reminds me of this one cursed image of a fake Ryzen 7 that was just an old Intel CPU with Ryzen text on the IHS
Hello Brother I hope you are doing well. I did install my newly bought AMD CPU (R7 5700x) in my minisforum b550. I had the same issues as you've experienced my crucial RAM went down from 3200 MHz to 2660 MHz and it is constantly crashing and restarting over and over. So I had no other option then remove the CPU and put back the amd r7 5700G. If you are aware minisforum updated the Bios please let me know. Thanks. I keep checking their website nothing at all. Also, I am trying to increase the fan speed to cool down the CPU after re-applying the thermal paste with different manufacturer I don't understand their bios well. Its very powerful mini Desktop for gaming. In this case I used MSI RTX 3060 12GB Gaming X no issues at all. I installed also the AMD R7 5700x CPU in my MSI B550 Gaming plus motherboard and its working pretty well with CPU Boost which can draw up to 145W! I thought at first, it was the CPU but no that's bios in the elite B550. let us hope it will get fixed soon.
my B550 (not used much) died on me a few weeks ago. support has no stock to replace it .. offered another mini pc but no external PCI-E. amazon is going to give me my money back. sucks to not be able to buy a similar mini pc :(
I think that's nominal cat operation but I'll have to consult the manual to know for sure. Would be nice if the manufacture had less complex models in their lineup but I don't think the industry is going in that direction anytime soon.
1:24 320 usd .. tobad they changed the price .. its 599 on there homepage as of writing this .. in barebone , 16gb/512gb= 729usd i just bought a Asus pn51 with 5700u .. to bad you have to spend like 130 for Akasa case to make it work proberly without thermal throttle .. i might have checked out this one had i known
I think the trouble could be at VRM current limitations, who may cause stability issues with high demanding CPUs. High current stability will need more phases dedicated to CPU.
У меня проблема с этим minisforum, которая очень сильно раздражает.. Какую бы Windows не устанавливал, после включения компьютера монитор (проверял на разных мониторах через HDMI) теряет сигнал и появляется картинка со свходом на рабочий стол минуты через 1-2 минуты.. Если сделать перезагрузку, то все отлично запускается, но если полностью отключить и включить пк, то все повторяется с отключением монитора!
I am running a 5700G and have it slightly undervolted and upped the base to 4.12 as I seen on reddit that it is most stable around there, I like it and it was cheaper than the X and I don't notice any difference other than SOC voltage variations being less stable.
Excellent and informative presentation based on your presentation I just purchased EliteMini B550. I ordered mine without the memory but unfortunately they don't seem to provide a memory compatible vendor list. I wish to purchase 64GB of memory, I was hoping if you could kindly tell me which memory kit I should use? I would prefer fastest performance memory for this device. Thank you in advance. Looking forward to hearing from you or anyone else who perhaps knows the answer. Kindest regards
It can probably do quad 4k with DisplayPort mst granted with an adapter. It seems they have also since corrected their marketing page. As for the pci-e slot, it could also be used for something else than a graphics card, for example a 10gbit ethernet card, a capture card or some other pci-e interface most of those run passively.
IMO, there's no point going to an going to an X series AMD CPU, because then you're limited to using it on the dock only. Quad 4k would be possible with the dock. I think there's still some BIOS uptates needed, since it's still listed as pre-ordered. (though that might be waiting for the next batch???)
Also bought one and it’s perfect for the application spreadsheets email PDF documents as an office piece of equipment perfect as a high powered PC I’ll stick with my I nine Intel
When you talk about the upgrade-ability, didn't alienware have a lawsuit because they had a socketable 9900k and that it technically wasn't upgradeable? isn't it the same here? am4 is end of platform so I don't quite understand the upgrade-ability
The chipset is the one that determines if the thing can be upgradeable or not. If they have a BIOS that supports it, you can use the CPU. A good example of that would be the MSI B550M MAG MORTAR mobo. It can fully support the 5950X with the proper BIOS upgrade.
NFS Hot Pursuit as a testing medium O.o? How old is that game now? I remember playing it to death on console then they brought out that very sad attempt to MMO Hot Pursuit which ended up a total flop, it was hardly challenging graphics wise when it came out on PC and the MMO I could play on my ancient HP Elitebook i5 lol As for GTA 5 we all know it will run on a baked potato these days so hardly a "stresser" and I can play that on my Google Pixel 6... I have always wanted a small form factor but I don't want to end up locked into a socket that looks set to be changed fairly soon as the model range evolves with age and performance... Always like to see a mobile AMD, to think of the hundreds of Barton mobiles I murdered back in the day in the quest for stable 3ghz single core then one exceptional 1700M came into my possession and I ran it at 3ghz for a whole week then it died tragically taking out my expensive DFi board but I basked in the glory of joining the 3ghz CPU murderin' club scoreboard :D
hello, I'm from Brazil and I really liked your video, it took several doubts I had about the bios of this model, I could bring a next video with EliteMini B550 showing overclocking in the standard system that it comes from the factory with AMD Ryzen™ 7 5700G. showing what you can do to extract good results, thank you.
If only the big OEMs like Dell (alienware) would bother trying to improve their products like this. Right now, the inverse of the old "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM" applies to Dell.
With gaming laptops coming with 300W power adapters, I don't really see why they're limiting the system so hardcore like that! Also, if you're going to be including a dock that requires an external ATX power supply, why not create a pass-thru connector to leverage that power supply instead of using the included brick? That's just wasted potential, IMO!
If i was in the market to buy this I'd probably pass because at least to me they're an unknown in making motherboards,bios,vrm and a history of quality or keeping to their warranties
What's the point of a system with high CPU performance and low GPU performance for HTPC? Just encoding for Plex? Do people not play games? Run emulators? I know a lot of people run Mac Minis, but the same question applies for those too.
5700G to something else does however give more pcie lanes, and pcie 4 , sure - the lanes makes less sense for the formfactor.. And dont get me started on the pinouts on different PSU's.. That's just disturbed thinking from vendors.. colorcode the rated wattage for the cables, and just darn nugget make a standard.
Is the instability of running a 3900x not a power supply issue as package power hits 117W at peak on a 120W external brick? maybe OPP triggering on the cinebench spike?
Seems about right for your usual fly-by-night chinese company. There probably are sister companies that have similar computers that are the same computer too I'm sure.
Please review the new UM690 with 6900HX using RDNA2. This mini PC's DDR5 RAM overheats in about 5 minutes of intensive GPU load dropping the FPS in half and have very unstable frametimes.
and if instead of a video card i put a 10gb network card would it work? if it had bifurcation i could put 2 ssd nvme and a 10gb card so i could make a mini sever all flash? or ProxMox
Is it possible to use this external pcie to input some extender card with sata ports and make it as a nas build? In this case do we still need an additional PSU?
Does anyone know how to even contact the minisforum people themselves, I wanted to buy just the motherboard for one of their rigs, but I can't even find a way to directly talk to them unless you bought something already
so much potential, shame their bios is so bad, and i dont understand why there would be a horrible 2666mhz speed limit on memory on bigger cpu´s, since the mem controller is inside the cpu, and only the pcb/lane quallity should matter afterwards. Almost seems like just power mannagement issues or bios related stuff.
Really disappointed by Minisforum. Happy with my X35G so I bought a GK50. Needed a PC with 2 Ethernet ports. On arrival the GK50 only had 1 port although it is advertised everywhere as having 2. Minisforum support was useless. No more Minisforum for me.
It fine for any card not just for gpu and as such I found it great for a home lab with extra nvme in the adoptor. only needs the standard PSU to work if your not using a GPU.
I wonder why this isn't more of a thing? Desktops shouldn't still be huge boxes like the 80s. IMO they should just stop making large ram. Like in your recent video about the Intel modular approach, that is about all a computer should be, that little square, though still modular rather than all on the same pcb. I wasn't aware that AMD was going LGA, which is interesting. A bit sad though because the pins are so fragile. Maybe we get some standardization? To save resources, these companies don't need to be making laptop AND desktop things. As long as the do not go proprietary, I think our niche segment would be happy. I think the size desire is mainly based on those things, proprietary nightmares and better performance desires. I feel like we could or already have passed that apex What is your take on the smaller GPUs? Could they move to something the size of one of those tiny mobos? You could essentially have a sandwich pcb machine, and there are slimmer PSU's. I just checked the site says like 600 USD starting.
Thank you for using unsupported cpus to see what happen please. No other reviewer of this has tried. I'm interested in particular 3700x which works on a standard B550 motherboard and 65 TDP. If 3900x almost works, I'm assuming it will be better?
Props to the company. They value y'all's feedback and continue to try to improve rather than hold grudges and blacklist TH-camrs like some other companies. (AsRock)
Yep ASRock are dumb AF 😁
@@pascaldifolco4611 Don't forget about MSI trying to bully reviewers and pay them off not to release critical reviews.
@@christopherjames9843 yeah but at least they build decent products on average...
Oh, so not like AsRock and MSI?
@@pascaldifolco4611 what did asrock do?
Bought bare bones B550. Populated mobo with a 5700G, 2x16GB (32GB) Crucial SODIMM DDR4-3200MHz, & Samsung SSD EVO Plus NVMe 1TB. Worked flawlessly on numerous performance tests. I ran tests on the APU with included 120w power brick or with Corsair SF750 80+ Platinum PSU (750 obvious overkill). The performance tests were essentially identical. Then tested with a MSI AMD Radeon RX6700 XT. Of course the results involving graphics was impressive, e.g., 3D Mark Time Spy graphics 1340 v 12121 (even CPU increased, 8435 v 9708), Fire Strike graphics 4209 v 34815, Night Raid graphics 17748 v 122743). CPU temp high was consistently in the lower seventies on Cinebench R20 & R23 and mid-seventies running Passmark Perf Test 10. I have another 5700G in an In-Win Chopin Pro mini-ITX case (not impressed with case, novelty) sans GPU and the CPU performance tests were better as the 5700G could be OC'd residing in a ROG Strix B550-I Gaming. When I tried over or under clocking the CPU in the Minis-Forum (Besstar Tech Limited B550) mobo the performance test scores decreased. Reset bios to OEM to get the best performance scores.
Your cat is not broken. Your cat is operating within' nominal parameters.
I wonder if the quad display was meant to be done with some DisplayPort daisy chaining? I'm still skeptical that the iGPU alone could do that though.
"Is this normal, or is my cat broken?"
Yes to both.
I just went on to the Minis Forum website and they have already updated their website from quad 4K displays to Triple 4K displays.
I'm glad that they appear to be receptive of the feedback that they get from reviewers.
Also sadly though, they got rid of their 64GB of RAM/512 GB SSD option. :(
If they had a 64 GB/1 TB option, it would be up for consideration.
That would be AWESOME if they updated their BIOS so that you can drop a 5950X in there.
If it was as simple as a bios, firmware update to allow for a 5900 or a 5950x then I'd place an order for one today. As was said, if you use an external PSU for the gfx card then why not allow a higher core upgrade, turn down power consuption and still have access to those cores and threads.
Maybe if Minisform and other form factor builders built a bios which actually applied settings and had say a default profile for the 5700G while in bios, a hardcoded factory locked profile for a 5900x and one for a 5950x and all you had access to was say ram speeds. That's a fair middle ground.
No one would expect nor would it be fair to expect full fat performance from thoes processors in that FF. Thread and core count yes, all day every day and an easy compromise. Otherwise a very nice system. The 6xxx mobile series should be fun and interesting and perhaps even allow for higher C/T count which I'll happily pay for. Please, take my money. But fix your damn bios. As is, this is so so close to perfection and what even the most hardened high end users want. Build it and we will buy it.
Why go for 5900/5950? Because there’s no integrate gpu, so it means you had to use eGPU and that made this potential is a waste, b550 can’t deliver enough juice to show the superior of ryzen 9…also the cooler is just too small to handle anything exceed 65wh. Instead you should go for the HX version which actually have a cpu on par with desktop version and had igpu or build one yourself in sff case like velka 3.
@@NamelessPassenger
Small form factor server. Even if it might lack some storage connections.
Despite of that, would be excellent for, say, my use - as a small home server, with limited cTDP, and of VM/Dockers/Containers etc.
Wouldn't need the graphics outside of it crashing so hard that the hypervisor won't start. In fact, the graphics/APU would just be wasted electricity.
Edit: Could use the x16 port for a 10Gbit NIC, that might potentially be useful.
@@NamelessPassenger I feel you are missing the point of having all of those cores and threads in such a small form factor. It isn't for everyday normal computer usage but rather as a tiny hypervisor or server or a multitude of other use cases. Plus it'd just be very cool and fun.
@@kojack57 i understand he need cpu, but without gpu there’s no way it can post anything on the monitor. That’s why i said he should go for hx90. That thing had igpu and still maintain cores/threads
@@Nightykk i understand you don’t need powerful gpu…but at least it have igpu to post on monitor if you want to config or troubleshooting. That’s why i suggest hx90 where ryzen 9 have an igpu but still maintain cores/threads.
Seems like a much cheaper way of getting an external GPU than buying a thunderbolt box. If you use the PC in more than one location, but only need the eGPU in one of them, it seems very useful if a little niche. For example, it could be an occasional HTPC in the living room, then easily moved to another room for gaming or work. As for changing the CPU, just having the ability to put it in another system is quite handy, considering Lenovo's locking them to one machine on their SFF's.
this is an amazing video. you answered everything i wanted to know. and totally agree with you about wasted potential. i hope they do another version and fix these problems
I ordered a mini pc from this brand 6 months ago on Amazon but all display ports were broken. Or at least both the HDMI and DP stayed black with flashes of display every 5 seconds. Just long enough to see I was in windows. It worked well for exactly five minutes. As soon as I booted into windows the first time after making a user name, it just broke. I thought it was a shame. I really wanted it to work, it was great value for money. I have a Mele Quieter3Q now. Very pleased with it and quite the bargain. All Intel chips too. Anyway I got my money back. No problem.
I bought one of these and they actually widened the little notch on the 24 pin clip area. Glad to hear they were listening to feedback
After 2 months how do you feel about it? I just ordered one and it would be nice to have a first hand opinion.
@@cheesecurdinator4010 It's been a really solid little pc! I've had 0 issues with it and even under intense gaming loads the fan is pretty quiet!
Looks like a good stand alone mini PC's. Office work, students, streaming videos, and light gaming. Affordable access to a modern computer. A replacement for the old clunky OEM office desktops we have at work or school. The docking station accessories are just a novelty for fun. Not really practical. But the option is there. Good honest review 👍
My opinion changed from yours when i used the station. It is actually good.
Instead of cutting the 24 pin clip you can use a sleeved extension cable, where one end goes on the existing seasonic plug (not in the PSU itself like sleeved replacement cables) and the other in the MinisForum doodad
Not everyone has sleeved extensions laying around admittedly, but I do use them for testing purposes as I can swap a whole PSU without unplugging the cables from the motherboard itself.
Right now, 5600X/5700X barely even POST with the B550, regardless of what speed the memory is running, and all they'll say is put in a 5700G instead. Avoid this entirely.
Think it makes sense as a plain mini pc. The add-ons with the psu/gpu is just jank, better to just get an itx pc in that case.
It has an uncommon format factor, but it fits extremely perfect for my arcade cab project.
5:58 lol Shiek 🐈stealing the stage …. Bench space again lol 🥰😅😂🤣👍. I actually like the new package of this Minis Forum device and would consider a Pico psu (400-500w) ac/dc psu to power the rig and reduce it size 😇👍
Quad display is possible because DP supports daisy chaining two displays per port. Don't know if you can do two 4k displays with the version of DP they use, but 4 is definitely possible if you have support on the monitor side of things.
"I'm not sure how they would use quad 4K with this"
Maybe the DP can support 2 separate video streams, I think DP 1.4 can. You have to use at least one monitor with a DP OUT tho, wich is not that common.
They should've made a beefier PSU with a PCIE Power adapter. The external PSU will be janky.
You can buy them but they are just as big
It wont be like a laptop power brick as those can be smaller due to using higher volts than 12 psus
I have 1 that came from 1st asic btc miners
Its ofcourse thicker cord and is 4"x10"x3" and if i recall was 400w
With a tiny fan
And if they made a bigger psu to power everything that would mean it would use high voltages like 20v or more then need a lot more circuitry on the motherboard to break that down and also provide high amps to 12v pcie
Lets just say it would lose size fast
What they should have done is make a board that does convert to high amp 12v then you could use laptop psus on the dock aka pcie backplane
Which im sure is just pass through so you could add any pcie backplane
But then the cost of that board and psu would price this out
This whole thing stinks of chinesium
Or partner with HDPLEX on their passive GAN PSU's.
Better solution would have been to have the power connectors in the dock, rather than seperate cables.
10:02 My cat Oscar also likes sleeping in positions like this, I think it's just an orange cat thing ;)
Sometimes we suspect that nobody ever taught him how to be a cat properly because he was picked up as a stray... but maybe he just didn't pay much attention to cat lessons when he was a kitten.
The quad 4k claim shouldn't be a problem since 4k30Hz counts, and you can split and daisy chain displayport.
You can use DP Daisy chain. I use this on busines monitors.
I have one of it, I'm using it about 2 weeks and the BIOS that you show in the video it's really strange, I don't have any problem with mine for now. All changes on BIOS works as spected (PBO, Fan Curve, etc), did you tried to reset it by the hidden button? I had to do it in the first boot because I had some issues at the first boot.
You can Daisy Chain DP, maybe that's how their getting 4x 4k displays
to be honest - I love it. It would make perfect mini PC for family
Yes, your cat is broken! You could pet its belly and you still lived to tell the tale! :D
That or you can be happy that you have a really solid bond with your cat and the trust is insanely high!
I would love to see them make an AM5 version with a properly working bios. That would have a lot of upgradability if AMD commits to forward compatibility with 3 generations of CPUs again.
This is a big brain comment, well done @Waffls
There might also be a stong value point for SFF if those future Ryzen provides iGPU by default as promised.
I think the upgrade can make sense if you just want more cores, and can live with them downclocked.
Isn't the 5700g the most powerful APU that AMD makes? Pretty sure you can't get the 5900 or 5950 with an IGP. So you'd need to also buy a GPU. And an extra PSU. Suddenly I have to wonder why you'd buy a mini PC at all.
yea but that's why you have the external dock
@@der8auer-en Yes, but at that point why buy this instead of something bigger?
I'm still trying to find the answer to that question :D
@@der8auer-en I got that after watching trough to the end
as to 4 monitors, you can connect 2 monitors 4k@60 or 4 monitors 4k@30, when you connect 4 monitors, 2 monitors go trough HDMI, and other two go trough DP port in MST mode, you need to have monitor support 1.2DP MST mode, with DP out, so you can daisychain monitors. other option to setup 4 monitors will be 3 monitors daisychain on DP and 1 in HDMI. DP daisychain is supported on all CGN and newer radeons (no sure which chips before CGN supported DP 1.2)
they changed to 3 on their site
@@oumakavoula i didn't check minis web, but i'm talking about capabilities of radeon AGPU in combination with B550, and it can do that. it can't do 3 or 4 @ 60, because of bandwidth.
In the amd overclocking menu, you can use eco mode which limits the power draw of the cpu. I have used it when mining to 45w before
Mini PC with APU makes sense but with this kit for gpu mount and power supply narrby just buy ITX motherboard and put your favourite CPU in ITX case
Cat is definitely broken, a normally working cat would have grabbed and rabbit kicked your arm when you dared touch its belly.
As for the MiniPC it is a very interesting product, maybe a few too many issues for me to ever consider at this point but a later iteration with further improvements might make for a good secondary PC in the future. I quite like what they are doing with the dock and user expansions.
Agree on the minipc, disagree about the cat...my cat wants belly-rubs all day and licks me like a dog.
I really wish these APU systems would make room to fit full sized samsung B dye. The 5700G really flies with 4400-4600 C16/C17. With the cooling this reletively windy interior would provide could let you push it to the max(i've gottem my 5700G to 1:1:1 up to 4933CL17-17-17-30 with improved sub timings, though that required disabling the iGPU as it seems to lose peroformance going past 4600C16.
That CPU installation render is way too funny. Reminds me of this one cursed image of a fake Ryzen 7 that was just an old Intel CPU with Ryzen text on the IHS
I'm going to get this and a 4090 for my desk
Am using this but the external pcie is being used for pcie switch based nvme adaptor for 4 cards and works fine off the standard psu.
Hello Brother I hope you are doing well. I did install my newly bought AMD CPU (R7 5700x) in my minisforum b550. I had the same issues as you've experienced my crucial RAM went down from 3200 MHz to 2660 MHz and it is constantly crashing and restarting over and over. So I had no other option then remove the CPU and put back the amd r7 5700G. If you are aware minisforum updated the Bios please let me know. Thanks. I keep checking their website nothing at all. Also, I am trying to increase the fan speed to cool down the CPU after re-applying the thermal paste with different manufacturer I don't understand their bios well. Its very powerful mini Desktop for gaming. In this case I used MSI RTX 3060 12GB Gaming X no issues at all. I installed also the AMD R7 5700x CPU in my MSI B550 Gaming plus motherboard and its working pretty well with CPU Boost which can draw up to 145W! I thought at first, it was the CPU but no that's bios in the elite B550. let us hope it will get fixed soon.
quad 4k might be possible by daisychaining display port connections
I mean if they do this again with AM5 they might have a really solid product on their hand
my B550 (not used much) died on me a few weeks ago. support has no stock to replace it .. offered another mini pc but no external PCI-E. amazon is going to give me my money back. sucks to not be able to buy a similar mini pc :(
I think that's nominal cat operation but I'll have to consult the manual to know for sure. Would be nice if the manufacture had less complex models in their lineup but I don't think the industry is going in that direction anytime soon.
1:24 320 usd .. tobad they changed the price .. its 599 on there homepage as of writing this .. in barebone , 16gb/512gb= 729usd
i just bought a Asus pn51 with 5700u .. to bad you have to spend like 130 for Akasa case to make it work proberly without thermal throttle .. i might have checked out this one had i known
All I want is just the base box. The newest games I plan on playing on it would have been first out in the mid 2000s.
I think the trouble could be at VRM current limitations, who may cause stability issues with high demanding CPUs. High current stability will need more phases dedicated to CPU.
Well with 2 hdmi and 1 display port would = quad display since dp can stream 2 4k signals
but you would need a splitter for this, no?
@@der8auer-en correct maybe they were going to add 1 or just say good enough
As it technically supports it
@@der8auer-en Splitter or a monitor with DP daisy chain support (DP-IN and DP-OUT ports)
У меня проблема с этим minisforum, которая очень сильно раздражает.. Какую бы Windows не устанавливал, после включения компьютера монитор (проверял на разных мониторах через HDMI) теряет сигнал и появляется картинка со свходом на рабочий стол минуты через 1-2 минуты.. Если сделать перезагрузку, то все отлично запускается, но если полностью отключить и включить пк, то все повторяется с отключением монитора!
I am running a 5700G and have it slightly undervolted and upped the base to 4.12 as I seen on reddit that it is most stable around there, I like it and it was cheaper than the X and I don't notice any difference other than SOC voltage variations being less stable.
Excellent and informative presentation based on your presentation I just purchased EliteMini B550. I ordered mine without the memory but unfortunately they don't seem to provide a memory compatible vendor list. I wish to purchase 64GB of memory, I was hoping if you could kindly tell me which memory kit I should use? I would prefer fastest performance memory for this device. Thank you in advance. Looking forward to hearing from you or anyone else who perhaps knows the answer. Kindest regards
Did the cat come with the PC? Where can I buy just the cat? He looks like such a good boi. *XD*
The included cables work for Silverstone SFX PSU they said they weren't going to include those in the final release.
Dang it then you say it not even a minute later LUL
It can probably do quad 4k with DisplayPort mst granted with an adapter. It seems they have also since corrected their marketing page.
As for the pci-e slot, it could also be used for something else than a graphics card, for example a 10gbit ethernet card, a capture card or some other pci-e interface most of those run passively.
IMO, there's no point going to an going to an X series AMD CPU, because then you're limited to using it on the dock only.
Quad 4k would be possible with the dock.
I think there's still some BIOS uptates needed, since it's still listed as pre-ordered. (though that might be waiting for the next batch???)
Bought one and I love it. I probably won't use it with a GPU so I would have been better of with an other mini pc 😅
Also bought one and it’s perfect for the application spreadsheets email PDF documents as an office piece of equipment perfect as a high powered PC I’ll stick with my I nine Intel
When you talk about the upgrade-ability, didn't alienware have a lawsuit because they had a socketable 9900k and that it technically wasn't upgradeable? isn't it the same here? am4 is end of platform so I don't quite understand the upgrade-ability
now that i've watched more of the video I see they advertise replaceable, not upgradeable
they are still working on am4 chips. i have heard about 5900x3d and others :) AM4 is not completely done yet
The chipset is the one that determines if the thing can be upgradeable or not. If they have a BIOS that supports it, you can use the CPU. A good example of that would be the MSI B550M MAG MORTAR mobo. It can fully support the 5950X with the proper BIOS upgrade.
NFS Hot Pursuit as a testing medium O.o? How old is that game now? I remember playing it to death on console then they brought out that very sad attempt to MMO Hot Pursuit which ended up a total flop, it was hardly challenging graphics wise when it came out on PC and the MMO I could play on my ancient HP Elitebook i5 lol As for GTA 5 we all know it will run on a baked potato these days so hardly a "stresser" and I can play that on my Google Pixel 6... I have always wanted a small form factor but I don't want to end up locked into a socket that looks set to be changed fairly soon as the model range evolves with age and performance... Always like to see a mobile AMD, to think of the hundreds of Barton mobiles I murdered back in the day in the quest for stable 3ghz single core then one exceptional 1700M came into my possession and I ran it at 3ghz for a whole week then it died tragically taking out my expensive DFi board but I basked in the glory of joining the 3ghz CPU murderin' club scoreboard :D
The cat is kaput!
hello, I'm from Brazil and I really liked your video, it took several doubts I had about the bios of this model, I could bring a next video with EliteMini B550 showing overclocking in the standard system that it comes from the factory with AMD Ryzen™ 7 5700G. showing what you can do to extract good results, thank you.
If only the big OEMs like Dell (alienware) would bother trying to improve their products like this.
Right now, the inverse of the old "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM" applies to Dell.
With gaming laptops coming with 300W power adapters, I don't really see why they're limiting the system so hardcore like that! Also, if you're going to be including a dock that requires an external ATX power supply, why not create a pass-thru connector to leverage that power supply instead of using the included brick? That's just wasted potential, IMO!
If i was in the market to buy this I'd probably pass because at least to me they're an unknown in making motherboards,bios,vrm and a history of quality or keeping to their warranties
many problems with pairing with 5600x/5700x.
Minisforum just said to get a 5600G/5700G.
Kinda crappy.
What's the point of a system with high CPU performance and low GPU performance for HTPC?
Just encoding for Plex? Do people not play games? Run emulators?
I know a lot of people run Mac Minis, but the same question applies for those too.
5700G to something else does however give more pcie lanes, and pcie 4 , sure - the lanes makes less sense for the formfactor.. And dont get me started on the pinouts on different PSU's.. That's just disturbed thinking from vendors.. colorcode the rated wattage for the cables, and just darn nugget make a standard.
Is it smaller than a mini itx? Can you get this board alone elsewhere. 65w tdp may be too low
Is the instability of running a 3900x not a power supply issue as package power hits 117W at peak on a 120W external brick? maybe OPP triggering on the cinebench spike?
What if he used a 3900 non x. It might have worked better
Seems about right for your usual fly-by-night chinese company. There probably are sister companies that have similar computers that are the same computer too I'm sure.
Love the kitty! :D
10:00 cuuuute 🐈🥰🥰🥰
Please review the new UM690 with 6900HX using RDNA2. This mini PC's DDR5 RAM overheats in about 5 minutes of intensive GPU load dropping the FPS in half and have very unstable frametimes.
Why do you keep using pluck wrongly instead of plug/connect/insert/place, pluck stands for removing something from its place.
Are the SO-DIMM slots wired with extra traces to support ECC memory?
Im curious what would happen if you plug the pcie connector of that motherboard into a pcie slot on a regular motherboard
9:06 ...and as an unrelated bonus, you don't get to see that it's a no-name SSD of questionable quality, right?
and if instead of a video card i put a 10gb network card would it work? if it had bifurcation i could put 2 ssd nvme and a 10gb card so i could make a mini sever all flash? or ProxMox
Thanks for all the great content, could you try the system with the 5800X3D ?
LTT did that in their video, it worked "fine."
Is it possible to use this external pcie to input some extender card with sata ports and make it as a nas build? In this case do we still need an additional PSU?
I'd definedly buy one if they allow the bios to run a 5950x, even if it doesn't run at 100%.
Such a weird little machine but ver interesting. Sounds like it’s just a bios update away from being pretty good.
I really like the idea of it,
yet the execution really leaves something to desired imho.
Does anyone know how to even contact the minisforum people themselves, I wanted to buy just the motherboard for one of their rigs, but I can't even find a way to directly talk to them unless you bought something already
Cant you connect as many screens you want to Display port in link ? just loosing resolution. only tried 2 my self. but.
how you control the orange cat still calm when you took the video? 😂
I wonder if you could run this thing as a PCIe card in another system
so much potential, shame their bios is so bad, and i dont understand why there would be a horrible 2666mhz speed limit on memory on bigger cpu´s, since the mem controller is inside the cpu, and only the pcb/lane quallity should matter afterwards. Almost seems like just power mannagement issues or bios related stuff.
They could've limited also higher end CPUs to 65w, xmg did it for a laptop with am4 socket
Really disappointed by Minisforum. Happy with my X35G so I bought a GK50. Needed a PC with 2 Ethernet ports. On arrival the GK50 only had 1 port although it is advertised everywhere as having 2. Minisforum support was useless. No more Minisforum for me.
after a long list of complaints, the product is still recommended.
If you Buy it without an cpu, It Will be shiped with a cooler?
I wonder what would happen if you put it in pci-e slot on a computer?
The ext GPU implementation is just weird. Minisforum is trying to do too much.
It fine for any card not just for gpu and as such I found it great for a home lab with extra nvme in the adoptor. only needs the standard PSU to work if your not using a GPU.
Does enabling Eco Mode also prevent post?
I wonder why this isn't more of a thing? Desktops shouldn't still be huge boxes like the 80s. IMO they should just stop making large ram. Like in your recent video about the Intel modular approach, that is about all a computer should be, that little square, though still modular rather than all on the same pcb. I wasn't aware that AMD was going LGA, which is interesting. A bit sad though because the pins are so fragile. Maybe we get some standardization? To save resources, these companies don't need to be making laptop AND desktop things. As long as the do not go proprietary, I think our niche segment would be happy. I think the size desire is mainly based on those things, proprietary nightmares and better performance desires. I feel like we could or already have passed that apex
What is your take on the smaller GPUs? Could they move to something the size of one of those tiny mobos? You could essentially have a sandwich pcb machine, and there are slimmer PSU's.
I just checked the site says like 600 USD starting.
SFF is industry standard, they're all over my plant and offices, they're just really low specced Dells, not interesting to gamers.
What its better this or just buy the one with the ryzen 9 with the amd gpu
I came for the Minisforum review, I Stay for the cat content.
I love that cat! 😃
How many layers in the motherboard?
Memory trace issues?
Thank you for using unsupported cpus to see what happen please. No other reviewer of this has tried. I'm interested in particular 3700x which works on a standard B550 motherboard and 65 TDP. If 3900x almost works, I'm assuming it will be better?
cooler+cpu combo removal = story of my ryzen life.
what are your thoughts on the framework laptop?
I love your CAT!!!