He sort of did.. But then dude is also making a big deal out of mole hill. Destiny clearly isn’t a “racist.” We all know that cultures say dehumanizing jokes about other people of varying cultures within their culture. That’s the “private” argument Destiny is referring to. Mountain, out of a mole hill moment for sure..
literally. it becomes such an ego debate by like 10 minutes in where both of them are to unwilling to make concessions. Hasan could have a good point but he gets too easily lost by Destiny being like "YOURE NOT ANSWERING IT". If hasan just maintained like "No contexts, just don't say it. Normalises it/telling people you say it publically has the same effect as saying the n word publically", he would be fine. But he gets lost in "its okay sometimes fine.." which means his original point is completely pointless.
@@iworshipgaysandsatan6822 Destiny doesn't understand nuance. The world isn't black and white lmao. There are certain contexts where it is okay to say the word. But they are rare and limited.
Being emotionally involved isn’t a bad thing! It just means you’re passionate about your viewpoints. Men have made up this whole emotion is the enemy of rationality bullshit to decrease the credibility of those who have empathy it’s so bs
Hassan admitting that there are SOME circumstances where it’s acceptable, and then later suggesting that most of the time it would not be ok, is not contradictory and detrimental like destiny seemed to think it was. Admitting there are some acceptable circumstances, like destiny agrees with, also implies there are circumstances where it’s not ok, and Hassan was obviously trying to communicate that in most conceivable circumstances it would not ok. And just cuz he couldnt communicate that like a philosophy debate robot doesn’t mean destiny has the high ground here.
True, watching that when I’m used to current destiny totally threw me off. It was entertaining but I feel like destiny could have actually had at least a bit more meeting of the minds here if he wasn’t so vicious. Anyone got context on why he was so rabid? Edit: I watched the rest of the video and Destiny is totally justified. Hassan complete bad faith weasel.
and its always between these two too. there are so many times they explicitly agree on something but just have to hash it out and start arguing against each other.
It's insanely annoying that anything is just dumbed down to worthlessness. "I stand for principles" - "OH THE PRINCIPLE OF SAYING THE N-WORD LOL xDDDDDDDDDDDDDD?". It's just rhetorical candy to whoever already agrees.
Omg hasan answered the question 50 times, watching this is so unbelievably frustrating because neither of them are letting the other get any other point in
@@Omnipoops Hasan said its okay in context, referring to quoting Tom Sawyer, this whiny little bitch Destiny hear that, and said that means i can say in a racist joke then? No no you cant, because the intent of the joke is to harm, it is quite opposite than using in while quoting a Mark Twain novel.
I discovered Hasan recently, and found him very annoying. I saw this video and thought it would be nice to see him get taken to task by someone. Now I dislike two people.
@@aliince9372 Destiny's politics and economics are what some would call hypocritical or all over the place. He is known for making arguments in bad faith when he thinks he is loosing a "debate." Also one of his debate "tactics" is strawmanning and refusing to allow the other person to respond. If all of these fails he has in the past just started screaming. Some of his worst "debates" have been against Sargon of Akkad (Carl Benjamin), since Sargon just doesn't put up with it. That being said thou he has gotten better over the last 3~ years at admitting what he is hypocritical on. Allowing more free foam discussions, instead of "debates" that go nowhere.
@@MusicaX79 You are saying that Destiny is a person with politically and economically hypocritical takes that uses the following tactics to win debates: Strawman>refuse to let the other person speak>scream. That is your good faith description of Destiny's debates? Are you trolling or memeing and it's whooshed over my head or are you a liar?
@@cheesuschrist5085 not at all. whether you agree with peterson or not, hes very consistent and deliberate with his words. hasan is just a coward. but, what else would you expect from a young turk? i for one dislike the 'destiny became bernie sanders' thing. bernie is a fraud, destiny is extremely honest.
@@ulipeterson6112 no way. i forget which video this is, but if it's the kamala harris one, i stand by my comment. hasan simply got out-argued, and then totally went off on destiny because of it! and destiny wasn't arguing in bad faith as much as just not making it easy for hasan. i mean honestly, go over the debate again. hasan just won't concede points even when he's clearly wrong.
@@ulipeterson6112 duuuuuuuuuude did you see the one before this video?? where destiny gets ambushed????? either you completely missed it, or YOU'RE acting in bad faith.
@@onseayu i dont understand how that applies to this video which was the result of trying to create a sense of good faith for destiny which resulted in destiny entertaining it in bad faith.
Just my opinion, but I feel that in the beginning of the debate, Destiny is really not discussing in good faith. He keeps derailing what Hasan is saying to bring the discussion back to loaded questions he has carefully chosen to prove the point he'd like to make. This leaves Hasan with two equally undesirable options. Hasan could give a simple direct answer, but that allows Destiny to steer the direction of the conversation. His other option is to expand on his response a bit, but if he does this, Destiny will cut him off part way through and repeat the question, making Hasan look unfocused or unprepared. It's kind of like the only way Destiny is willing to have this conversation is by using the Socratic method, which is great at derailing someone's argument, but not necessarily good for finding a mutual understanding.
Destiny is asking how and why it is fine in those contexts specifically Like what within the context makes it okay People have such strong opinions about this interaction while most of them didn't even watch it all the way through Let alone understand the complexity of it
"Is it okay to say it privately if you don't say that you do publically?" To be fair, even if he believed the answer was yes, he wouldn't be able to say so publically for the same reason why he would hold that belief.
@Anal Farmer The edgy teen😑 Words have influence and they make people take actions. If I threat your safety or your family's safety, you'll take action...same goes for the n-word. If you believe someone is a n-word, you believe, at a fundamental level, that black people are sub-human, meaning that human rights don't apply to blacks, etc... That's the same as threatening a black person's safety.
@Anal Farmer Blacks don't call each other the er version, unless they mean to insult another black person, which has the same result regardless of race. Death treats are illegal, so it is revoking someone's human rights (racism is actually illegal in many countries around the world) Yes, people have died due to words, bullying can lead to suicide...I find it funny that I had to do the work for your brain...use it, it has a purpose😅
@Anal Farmer Is this supposed to be a racist joke...try another one, there are better ones out there Perhaps your IQ doesn't help you understand the better ones.
@Anal Farmer I don't get why your virginity is related to your intelligence. You have options to lose your virginity, go for bad looking women, women as smart as you and if these groups reject you, you can always pay for services. To solve your IQ issue, just go to school again and again, they might help you, since that isn't a set number
Im a big fan, but on this I disagree with Destiny. I heard Hasanabi answer the question a few times and I agree with his points. Don't hate me for having a different opinion lol
@@rexyz5875 hasan said multiple times that the context matters, amazingly this is an answer to his question. Sorry to blow your mind right but debates on stuff like the use of the n word arent as simple as yes or no questions. It would be nice if they were but the world is not that simple
17:33 Is literally Hasan's answer. Destiny is obfuscating hard its nuts. He acts extremely paranoid but is trying to gotcha Hasan at the same time here. I guess it's like pay back gas lighting or something?
Wow yeah you found it. That's the money. The argument is if the word itself is bolstered if you aren't a racist person and use it privately. How unshakeable are a word's origins?
@UCLVToDTyiACvXorPAWJn_3g The Overton window on twitch and youtube shifted a lot. Now you have dumbasses like Hasan saying unironically that Destiny is rightwing while the dude just have the same stance all this time
I came here wanting to believe Destiny's version of events but I have to say that Hasan did answer the question. Hasan had other things he was wanting to say and was resistant to a clear answer but he did answer. I say this after watching 11 minutes.
They REALLY dropped the ball. I was seeing all of this crazy shit on the subreddit. Couldn't figure out what was going on and ran to twitch in desperation.
It was obvious that Destiny's initial question was a bait question to all of us, that's why the other guy was hesitant to answer it without some context. As soon as he answers it Destiny goes "Your community isn't going to like that" and kicks him shortly after.
@@Morhpocelionate yeah tbh tho he probs shoulda let hasan explain more even if it was off topic to the quetion, i woulda liked to know but he completely cut hasan off.
@@gnol3656 he let hasan respond with an entire paragraph worth of sentences. I’m sure if he didn’t cut in, it would’ve turned into a whole 5 page essay.
TLDR: Hassan says its bad to say the n word in private, Hassan admits its okay to say it in private in some instances, literally agreeing with destiny. Hassan doesnt understand this
As a black dude myself, I really don't give a shit what people say privately. It essentially comes down to how they treat myself or others that will determine if I should take offense or not.
@@Elliesoraeveryones different, you could hit me with a hard r and i truley wouldnt give a rats ass but others will try to fight you over n word ending with an a even if its not mewnt to gurt feeling
Damm Destiny you were annoying here. He did answer your question many times but you wanted a yes or no which is bs. You sound like your trying to have a gotcha moment on him. Chill out breh
LeGoatBronzo except it’s not binary. Especially as a public figure. Which is what hasan was saying. Why destiny, supposedly the king of Nuance, isn’t capable of understanding this point, is beyond me. I get why you don’t. You’re a fucking sycophant. But he stated very clearly, he wouldn’t advise it for a normal person, let alone a public figure. What’s so hard to understand about that?
I understand that it might look like a "gotcha" given that Hasan's answer was obviously "no, but if you're going to do it don't admit to it". But you have to realise that in past conversations Hasan has held different, contradictory, positions to the one he gave in this video. Which is why Destiny is trying really hard to press Hasan for a yes. The root of the issue stems from the fact that Hasan never actually thinks about most of his positions before he takes a stance. He tries to think of something that is consistent to say on the spot. Which inevitably leads to something like this, where someone interprets his laziness (and stupidity if you will) as him being dishonest. So when Destiny asks for a yes or no, and Destiny perceives Hasan as being dishonest for denying previous position, he interprets Hasan's genuine attempt at answering his question as a continuance of the dishonesty.
Hasan literally goes against his own "morals and beliefs" he will say one thing then turn around and say another thing he never has a stance on the matter he wants to be on all sides at all times just take a stance take a position so destiny can debate that position
People might disagree with this, and I'm actually on Destiny's side on this issue but he's acting a bit like Jesse Lee Peterson at the beginning. He asks a question, Hasan answers but adds nuance to his answer and Destiny says "why can't you just answer the question". I think Destiny is a great debater, but I don't get why he does stuff like that, and it's always bothered me. Seems like a way to manipulate the other person through with weak pedantry. Am I wrong on this?
The issue is that Destiny is trying to establish whether it is EVER okay to do x. When Hasan answers and says that he would "rather", it doesn't advance the convo. We're talking about whether its okay, not what you would rather someone do.
watching further I sort of get what he's doing. He feels like he's been smeared and misrepresented so he's trying to give Hasan a taste of that. I'm with him there, but in a vacuum his behavior at the beginning feels odd.
You may be right in other debates or arguments, but not this one. Hasan derails and tries to back peddaling by saying well I don't think it's funny, it's cringy, I'd never so it blahabalabah. He wasn't asking whether Hasan would do it personally.
@@spikedmo his point is Hasan isn’t saying that he would restrict peoples speech in a legal sense so imagining if we gave him legislative power isn’t really relevant because there’s no evidence he would change our current laws on free speech
@@Mich-jk2ze sure I don’t really like Hassan or his views but you can’t just say he would do something when he’s never said he would do it. That’s dishonest
So what tho. It’s a word. I’ve been called whit by people cause I’m Jewish and I laugh it off. I don’t really know how many people get offended by that shit
Destiny: “Do you believe it’s ok to say the N word in private” Hasan: “No...” Destiny 5 minutes later: “ok, so do you think it’s ok to say the N word n private” Hasan: “um, no...” Also destiny, now 1 minute later: “I’ve asked you twice now and I still don’t know if you believe it’s ok or not” Wait, what??
Because Hasan justified the answer by pointing to hypothetical future consequences. Destiny asked, what if that future never came to pass, is it still bad?
B Roobit YES, that’s why his position remained at NO. But since that’s an illogical view in a social landscape why would anybody want to know your stance on something if “lol there’s no outcomes or consequences”. Like, bro, we take stances based on the OUTCOMES of that stance or decision or ideology. That’s how you make an educated decision or opinion on a topic.
I really like Destiny but he lost me on this one. First of all he got unhinged out of nowhere, secondly Hasan actually explained his answer but Destiny didn't accepted it. As mentioned below , Just take a break on debating Destiny relax a bit.
He doesn't answer the questions. He never gives his own opinion on what he personally thinks only what other people should do. "“Uhm no, I would you rather....” he isn’t answering the question. He is giving his opinion on what he would RATHER people do. Not giving his actual position in it. Which is why in multiple parts of this he says stuff like “it’s cringe to say” or “I wouldn’t personally say it” but when hasan FINALLY gives his position it’s that of “ in certain contexts around the right people it is okay to say edgy jokes that include the n-word” hopefully you just misunderstood and you aren’t being a massive piece of disingenuous shit." - what someone else in the comments said
@@carter.4023 he doesnt tho not until 20 minutes of destiny asking. Saying weather he would personally do something or not isn't him giving his position. he has to say weather that action is right or wrong. just because he wouldn't personally do it doesn't mean anything in this scenario..
@@minecraft12346 So you think he would intentionally do something that is morally wrong? When he says he would personally do something implies that it's what he think is right. Why would he need to clarify that what he would do is right? You think he would announce that what he personally does or thinks is wrong? Take hints, don't make everything more complicated which destiny did and it makes you look like a fucking idiot.
I actually feel like hasan was being pretty transparent with his answers. Why can’t he say “I think white people can say the n word in certain context” and also add that he wouldn’t personally do it? How is that spineless? Lol
Because he only says that to Destiny. On streams with black people, he says it is never okay to say the n-word. It feels like he changes his position depending on who he is talking to.
He can't say that because he's trying to hold contradictory beliefs. If he believes that there are certain contexts in which it is okay for a white person to use the n word, he cannot follow that up with how the word is dehumanizing to black people and he would never use it. Either it's dehumanizing and not okay, or it's okay in certain circumstances and Hasan should have no trouble using it in those circumstances. He's agreeing that it's okay in certain contexts while maintaining that it's never okay at all.
@@snuzzlebumble How stupid are you? He actually said it to Trihex himself that in certain instances it is okay. Shocker: Trihex is black. www.twitch.tv/clip/PoorTolerantAlpacaVoteYea www.twitch.tv/clip/ArborealPhilanthropicRadicchioDxCat
I guess I’m just confused as to why he was being so dismissive to Hasan’s points. Like if he doesn’t care what Hasan has to say then why even talk to him. I’m not saying Hasan is perfect or saying his point is perfectly made obviously not but jeez.
Hasan needs to be spoken to like this, he's a petulant child making free money off idiots like you. He literally doesn't make any valuable contributions to discourse. he does nothing but pass his faux-socialism off to his middle-class white audience so he can earn enough capitalist cash to fuck more porn stars and live in bigger houses. If you support the guy you're smooth-brained.
@@matsab7930 you can infer nothing of what i think from that comment. Do you even know what I'm talking about? Shut the fuck up. Maybe think before you lash out like a petulant child.
@Naters Imagine being so disrespectful and ignorant that you comment this 4 months later because your little fucking pea brain thinks you made a good comeback. 😂
Destiny. I strongly feel that this must be how Sam Harris feels when, for example, confronting Cenk Yugor. I know you don't like him a lot, but this is soooo similar. Love both Sam, and you.
20:59 Destiny: you just admitted to having a public-private differentiation, you said i undid everything by admitting that. you just admitted it 23:00 Hasan: talks about a specific context that saying the n-word privately would be bad, a position destiny agreed with. Destiny: WAIT SO YOU'RE CHANGING YOUR POSITION NOW????? you misunderstand that position (something you agreed with), then hung up as he explains the misunderstanding. what a productive conversation, truly
Destiny's point still stands though that Hasan is being hypocritical by saying Destiny undermines everything he stands for by admitting it even though Hasan just admitted it.
vonnivf He says it undermines everything Destiny says because it quite literally does. Admitting you say it in private makes it public. Whether you say it or not the knowledge and outcomes from saying it publicly such as reinforcing racist beliefs of some, exist.
@@carter.4023 If I say I repeated a funny joke with the n word in it, instead of repeating the joke, I think it would be a much different look and appeal to a much different audience. I don't think admitting it really hurts anything.
@re e This is kind of funny to me I guess I just disagree. I’m gonna need you to draw the connection here cause I’m clearly a bit slow. To ME at least I can get to racism from saying the n-word easier than I can get from a a girl with a non con kink to sexual assaults. Also it’s quite a bit different when Destiny says to thousands of people that he says the nword imo. It’s not fucking thought police either lmao, you don’t have a problem with people thinking about saying the nword or something, the problem I think I remember Hasan having is when YOU SAY YOU SAY the nword. You are literally admitting to doing it haha.
He’s smarter than you, for sure. Hasan is objectively not a dumb guy. However, he’s not the best at expressing himself, in debates particularly. I think he might be mildly dyslexic.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor lol both of them were embarrassing honestly. Destiny is trying to make it black and white, Hassan is just generally stupid.
like Hasan didn't even care about him saying it or not, because Hasan knew beforehand, that Destiny would never concede. So Hasan tried to make the argument of the consequence of making it public, that Destiny says it in private. Destiny however was so hyperfocused on is it ok or not, that they just talked past each other, like every single time they talk. If Destiny wasn't debating whether every single tree is alive to make the forest, this wouldn't have been a shitshow
@@RequiemOfSolo exactly that, is not the point. That's just a way to "win". The point is whether making such a discussion public, is harmful. Therefore Hasan's personal take (on saying it) is wholly irrelevant.
"So Hasan tried to make the argument of the consequence of making it public, that Destiny says it in private." Sure dude, keep fucking kidding yourself into believing that was the entirety of Hasan's claim. He had clearly said, and this is especially clear when he was discussing it with Trihex, that it was bad no matter the scenario regardless of whether or not it was made public. Destiny was also completely justified in hyperfocusing on whether it was ok or not for that exact reason because Hasan kept flip-flopping on whether or not it was okay to say it in private and was trying to get a clear answer out of him, so what a fucking surprise that he wasn't going to listen to Hasan's whole fucking spiel about completely irrelevant things.
wait, what? the discussion wasnt about private vs public, it was about whether the n word is okay sometimes in private, destiny agrees to that nuance you mentioned.
Pretty sure you misrepresented it so that you could post an original comment and seek that sweet sweet confirmation from other like minded individuals. Its almost as if the farther left/right that you venture you end up in a populist, isolationist authoritarian nightmare.
Hasan is a snake. It was uncomfortable watching him try to weasel out of agreeing with Destiny's position. "Well uhhh I don't say it! Well uhhh I think it's cringey!"
He is extremely frustrated that he is just trying to vulture signal. Its obvious Destiny is not racist or prompts racism in his private conversations. He just saying that you can make off cooler jokes.. I know EMTs that make jokes about 9/11 and shit. EMTs have really dark humor in order to help them cope with the shit they see...
The discussion was about the use of the n-word in private when you quote a joke (for example one from Dave Chappell) that uses the n-word. Hasan seems to agree that the use of it in such a specific situation *seems* to be ok because he doesn’t feel like there’s an argument against it. But he never commits to that position and instead just vulture signals to his audience that Destiny uses the n-word in private „all the Time“. This whole arc was a total shitshow.
@@firesong7825 the beard and dunno how to say but he seems very angry and not like he wants a proper debate I only watched the first few minutes it was to awful
I feel like I am watching a korean drama, this is so much about their personal drama than about the use of the n-word in private. This is top destiny content right here.
@@SomersBugtopia he literally gave a nuanced answer with context. Destiny wanted a yes or no, so he could pull a “gotcha” and then lost his mind when Hasan didn’t respond the way he wanted him to.
@@chanceytheyoungin The "nuanced answers" everytime were dodging what he was actually asking because Hasan was trying to save face. In pretty much every circumstance he was weasel wording.
@@crbgamer Come on dude, he clearly answered "No" and gave an explanation as to why he has that stance on the topic. I like Destiny, but I do agree that he was being a little hot headed during this debate.
So according to Destiny the discussion around using the n word couldn’t possibly be nuanced in some way or requiring that you go beyond a simple “yes” or “no” answer.
Little did I know that Jesse Lee Peterson was asking Destiny a simple question "Do you love black people?" to figure out his beliefs but couldn't get a straight answer and so reasonably got frustrated. Huh. Really makes you think.
Yeah cu, hassan was exposed here, his tactics are just like his uncle shenks lmao people simp for him and his views just because he is a super good looking guy ngl but if you listen to his points, sure he makes good points most of the time but he isnt helping himself here
27:15 “It doesn’t matter what your intent is when you’re actively harming another person” Destiny... doesn’t that entirely ruin your argument about using the n word in private? Your intent might have just been to make jokes with friends but trihex was hurt when he found out. Would it not be fair to say that you would be in the wrong if the intent doesn’t matter?
More like the strongest moment,Burning bridges with grifters is a hard thing to do, especially when the grifter is a 6 ft chad who doesn't pay his editors.
This debate in a nutshell: Destiny: *"If a tree falls in the forest and says the N-WORD. Does it make a sound?"* Hasan: *"I'd rather the tree doesn't fall"* Destiny: *"JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!! HASAN"*
@@geekaleek I think Hasan's argument is sound but I sorta side with Destiny on this though, if he wants to in the right context he can use any version of the N-word is he wants and no one is justified in their anger
There is context to everything in life especially words intent and context matters the word "nigga" isn't bad just bc it's bad its only bad when used in a derogatory way also it wouldn't matter who says it either that's just stupid identity politics as long as it's used in a non derogatory way Its fine that's the context in which it's fine Hasan just assumes that people only use it in derogatory contexts which people don't 99% of the time it's used in a non derogatory context it's harder to make a case for the hard R n word since it's only used in derogatory fashion lmao but "nigga" is fine as long as it is in a non derogatory context
I honestly think context is everything. The body language, tone, frequency, and most importantly, intent, of how it is said I think is more important than the question of public or private.
You can explain those things in words. Hassan legit wouldn’t answer the required questions in order to move onto those contextual scenarios until like 12 minutes in. And even then it was like pulling teeth and he mostly pivoted.
@@whopperlover1772 Because Hassan has ZERO PRINCIPLES on when it is and isn’t ok to say the n word. He was contradicting himself and side stepping constantly. It’s all a manipulation to avoid having a specific position and hold favor with his fans without looking like a hypocrite.
Yeah, uh, Destiny, he answered your question, just not the way you wanted him to. He qualified his "no" with instances in which it would apply but you didn't like that. You wanted him to say no without qualification, which surprises me, given how good you usually are at nuanced discussion. If someone asks you "Is it okay to kill someone," you would not say "no" because if someone is hurting someone you love in front of you, if you have to, you will do so in self-defense. If you answered that, the other person would be wrong to accuse you of dodging the question due to equivocation, since there are instances when it would be justified, and thus you wouldn't be able to commit to a simple yes or no answer, the way you want this guy to commit to. It is either disingenuous or (which I highly doubt) uncharacteristically obtuse on your part to demand that he does. I suspect it's the former because before he provided his nuanced answer to your question you prefaced your listening to it with "Okay, but I'm just going to ask you the same answer after you finish," which you did, in order to save face and follow through on asking the same question again. I've been listening to your debates for some time now and you really dropped the ball on this one.
That's a false equivalence. The question Destiny asked was already nuanced enough and only required a straightforward response. Unlike your example of "Is it okay to kill someone?" Destiny asked "Is there any context where killing someone is okay?" This phrasing of the question accounts for self-defense or hurting someone you love. Hasan agrees that there are instances where it is okay, but then follows it up by clarifying that it isn't okay. The reason for the shit-show is Hasan trying to hold contradictory positions. I'll use your example. D: "Is there any context where killing someone would be okay such as self defense? " H: "Yeah I can agree that killing someone in self-defense would be okay" D: "So we agree?" H: "Killing people isn't an okay thing to do because it takes someone's life away from them." D: "You JUST said that it's okay in the context of self-defense. So is it okay in the context of self-defense or not?" H: "I wouldn't kill anyone in self-defense because I don't think it's okay." Rinse and repeat.
@@nateriver4951 "D: "Is there any context where killing someone would be okay such as self defense? " is a false equivalence for "D: "Is it okay to use racist slurs in private as long as you don't publicize it?" because the latter is not particularized enough; a more accurate equivalence to your refinement of my more general original scenario would be "D: Is it okay to use anti-black slurs in private as long as you don't publicize it?"
destiny i gotta be honest, dude answered the same question in 4 different ways, you are the same as crowder. if you gave a fuck about the answer (stupid question anyway, non productive) you would have taken his answer the first 3 times.
@@abigdyl It's a bit confusing what I said but you just saying nah is basically as much effort Hasan put into giving good reasons for why it is morally wrong.
@@ethanstapley7018 nah fam regardless of how you justify it in your own head, because morals are kind of subjective, the overall contextual history of the N word is fucked up. Therefore saying it in private and even if the way you use it is completely unrelated to original context of the word, in my opinion, is morally wrong. But like you do you, right? To each their own. Say the N word in private if you want? lol
@@abigdyl Wow you keep having these similarities to Hasan. You have an opinion without providing any good reasons for why a person should be persuaded into having that opinion, which is the whole point of a discussion/debate. And if you think you should be able to have an opinion without having to defend it, don't morally reprimand someone publicly like I think Hasan did, or don't enter a conversation cockily like you sort of did.
Dude having a nuanced position that takes context into consideration IS a position. When you say "hold to a position" what you really mean is "have a stance that is easy for my baby brain to digest and can be stated in a single sentence and is universally applicable"
18:57 i'm guessing this was a heat of the moment/talking past each other kind of thing for steven because i'm sure that he is aware that a person can not want to talk about x in it of itself but having the feeling of wanting to help a friend win over. (i think of it as two mesurments(or parameters?) and the biggset get chosen. maybe steven think of it as a single one? ) (sorry if the last part was cunfusing)
Destiny's question was sufficiently specific as to allow a yes or no answer without any other implications, JLP's was not. If you can't see the difference, you're just trying to delude yourself into believing anything such that you can make Destiny out to somehow be the bad guy here.
@@firesong7825 you delude yourself into thinking that my comment was something else than a joke. I don't care about either of them and their highschool drama. And this discussion had enough similarities to JLP to make it.
Not really. These two were arguing entirely different points. Asking yes or no questions in an honest way is only ever useful if it would clear up a point that you otherwise understand. If it is the basis for the entire point than it provides nothing because it lacks any explanation. Dishonestly its just a "gotcha" to try to make someone seem to say someonething they dont mean. Do you love black people? No then youre racist. If you said yes than you have to agree with whatever JLP says or else you lied before. Hasans point was that admiting you say the n word makes you look bad, even if its actually ok to say it. Destiny claims he was just talking about jokes, which hasan never had a problem with it was publicly defending saying it that was his problem. You dont have to agree with that, but that is what the debate shouldve been about and Destiny called that pivoting and running away, that is either dishonest or he just did not understand at all. Destiny just wanted to get hasan to admit he says it or that its ok to say it so he looks bad, and then hangs up on him. That is not honest.
I get destiny’s point but to just try and make that a clear cut statement and to pretend there isn’t nuance to a statement like that is absolutely wild. Destiny is literally going for a gotcha moment that he was trying to not fall into with Hassan.
He can’t awnser a clear question though it’s for real maybe he is just to scared because he is a public figure but he is literally like Justin treudau prime minister of Canada like he just deverts every question can’t awnser a yes and no question so u can never know where they actually stand on stuff they just anwnser a yes or no question with a paragraph
@@classifiedinformation960he did tho. He answered it several times. This is exactly why debates are so lost now. What they teach you in philosophy is the goal is to not win the debate but to gather a further understanding of both sides
@@bradfordross2088 For real, he really did answer it...just not in this blanket statement way that Destiny was holding onto so desperately. Any debate that you start to whine, speak over the other person, and get emotional to the point that your voice cracks you have lost the ethos of your argument. Something that is hard to recover from.
I dont think making a clear cut statement is very hard at all. But lets pretend that it is. The HONEST way to react to Destiny's question would be to think about it for a moment, and then when you realize that you aren't sure how to make a clear prescription, to ADMIT THAT. For example "Hmm, I'm actually not sure. I know there are acceptable ways and unacceptable ways to use the N-word in private, but I'm not sure how to clearly differentiate them". The DISHONEST way to react, is to pivot from point to point to point and give random examples that don't answer the question. In truth, Hasan was just terrified of giving the wrong answer. That's it. Hasan is NEVER interested in giving HIS opinion on a controversial issue, he is SOLELY focused on giving the RIGHT answer. (the answer that will cause the least amount of blowback for him in his lefty/progressive/tanky communities. And if he doesnt know the right answer, he will dance and dance until the questioner gives up. You can view almost ANY Hasan conversation through this lens, and will explain 95% of his dialogue.
Schrodinger's n-word
Hilarious! Imo steal that!
That’s pretty funny
😂😂😂😂
Hasan is the perfect example of a person who can write a 400 page book about the shininess of a clean spoon, without ever mentioning the spoon.
Weird example...
Accurate
Lol this is a very odd but fitting comparison! 🤣… Hasan is so bad at debating/outlining his positions.
A politician
i don’t get it
Maaan as a black dude it's hilarious hearing non black people argue this stuff lmao
It really is lmao. What's your opinion tho?
I don't care about people using it tbh. I don't respect racists or people who use slurs in a racist fashion. Slurs are all in poor taste, honestly.
@@whattheheck7984 yup, agreed. That's the right mindset to keep
Right? Same thing happens everywhere. Love it when non-white people say how white people should act and feel.
It’s embarrassing that these dudes can scream at each other for 30 minutes about this dumb shit
they used to be such a happy couple
running through fields of flowers holding hands...
Destiny's editor took to long to upload the debate in this debate.
*too
*too
*toooo
Takes time to polish a turd.
WHO IS THIS GUY?
*two...
Destiny really wants to say the N word in this debate.
I want Hasan to say it in reference to Armenians
@@DeadMarine1980 Oh snap!
@Burton family vlogs 123 heh
Funny
Nincompoop
Man seeing how destiny looks a year after this is nuts. He’s really developed a fine layer of pandemic grease
Lmao
That guy from the ghetto news network was right, he doesn't shower.
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@@wononcyka666 ah the “your heart pumps koolaid” guy! Did he ever continue or did he fade back into a cloud of memey dust?
When incels get money something bad happens
He literally answered the question the very first time
literally didn't
@@benboy0404 nah bro, he did...
He sort of did.. But then dude is also making a big deal out of mole hill. Destiny clearly isn’t a “racist.” We all know that cultures say dehumanizing jokes about other people of varying cultures within their culture. That’s the “private” argument Destiny is referring to. Mountain, out of a mole hill moment for sure..
Hasanbi stan confirmed
@@benboy0404 he literally did. He also gave examples from Destiny himself lol.
"End of the leftist arc"
Yeah ok
Amine the videos were uploaded out of order I think
this was before the subreddit thread analysis
this is a week old or so
To be fair, there was a question mark at the end of it lol
this was before the end of leftist video. most of the videos in the last 3 weeks are out of order
"Do you luv black people Hasan?"
"Depends on who they are and what they do."
"Answuh da qwestion. Do. You. Love. Black. People?"
Conspicuous User aaaammmaazziin!!!!!!!
*Du yu luv blac pepol...*
@stalkad Yes this was Destiny farming Hassan for his dipshit viewers OMEAGALUL 100% a bad faith actor.
Amazin
😂
I genuinely believe that it’s impossible for these two to hold a constructive debate because they’re both too emotionally charged in politics.
@@tenfourten8438 hasan cannot be constructive unless his fan base disagrees
literally. it becomes such an ego debate by like 10 minutes in where both of them are to unwilling to make concessions. Hasan could have a good point but he gets too easily lost by Destiny being like "YOURE NOT ANSWERING IT". If hasan just maintained like "No contexts, just don't say it. Normalises it/telling people you say it publically has the same effect as saying the n word publically", he would be fine. But he gets lost in "its okay sometimes fine.." which means his original point is completely pointless.
@@iworshipgaysandsatan6822 Destiny doesn't understand nuance. The world isn't black and white lmao. There are certain contexts where it is okay to say the word. But they are rare and limited.
No, Hadan is just an idiot. And today mentioning the N word is like launching a nuke.
Being emotionally involved isn’t a bad thing! It just means you’re passionate about your viewpoints. Men have made up this whole emotion is the enemy of rationality bullshit to decrease the credibility of those who have empathy it’s so bs
Hassan admitting that there are SOME circumstances where it’s acceptable, and then later suggesting that most of the time it would not be ok, is not contradictory and detrimental like destiny seemed to think it was. Admitting there are some acceptable circumstances, like destiny agrees with, also implies there are circumstances where it’s not ok, and Hassan was obviously trying to communicate that in most conceivable circumstances it would not ok. And just cuz he couldnt communicate that like a philosophy debate robot doesn’t mean destiny has the high ground here.
To be fair, he's taking steps to fix some of these issues now
True..
True, watching that when I’m used to current destiny totally threw me off. It was entertaining but I feel like destiny could have actually had at least a bit more meeting of the minds here if he wasn’t so vicious. Anyone got context on why he was so rabid?
Edit: I watched the rest of the video and Destiny is totally justified. Hassan complete bad faith weasel.
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@@maxandchace yep
This is the stupidest exchange I’ve had the misfortune of watching in a while
and its always between these two too. there are so many times they explicitly agree on something but just have to hash it out and start arguing against each other.
@@lordlinkthegreat what even happened between them?
@@Trajanlance Small disagreements that escalated, it’s dumb
Yeah Hasan is a bad faith snake fake socialist
@Kushtopha Most people aren’t stupid enough to live stream it lol
"I am the Bernie Sanders of saying the N-word" ........ omg, I almost fell out of my chair laughing
It's insanely annoying that anything is just dumbed down to worthlessness. "I stand for principles" - "OH THE PRINCIPLE OF SAYING THE N-WORD LOL xDDDDDDDDDDDDDD?". It's just rhetorical candy to whoever already agrees.
@@AsifIcarebear3 Maybe he didn't understand, english is his second language after all.
@@anteaterking6728 Possibly third
i cant believe i just came across this. i really wish he wouldnt compare himself to a fraud like bernie though.
Omg hasan answered the question 50 times, watching this is so unbelievably frustrating because neither of them are letting the other get any other point in
He didn't
@@Omnipoops Yeah he did. He just said more after it. Destiny wanted him to only give a 1-word answer and Hasan wanted to explain further.
@@isaiahrosner3780 what was his answer?
The issue with the more he said after it was it was always cover for him to weasle out of holding a position.
@@Omnipoops Hasan said its okay in context, referring to quoting Tom Sawyer, this whiny little bitch Destiny hear that, and said that means i can say in a racist joke then? No no you cant, because the intent of the joke is to harm, it is quite opposite than using in while quoting a Mark Twain novel.
@@Omnipoops He said No several times.
I discovered Hasan recently, and found him very annoying. I saw this video and thought it would be nice to see him get taken to task by someone.
Now I dislike two people.
I'm just coming across Destiny now. Why do you dislike him?
@@aliince9372 Destiny's politics and economics are what some would call hypocritical or all over the place. He is known for making arguments in bad faith when he thinks he is loosing a "debate." Also one of his debate "tactics" is strawmanning and refusing to allow the other person to respond. If all of these fails he has in the past just started screaming. Some of his worst "debates" have been against Sargon of Akkad (Carl Benjamin), since Sargon just doesn't put up with it.
That being said thou he has gotten better over the last 3~ years at admitting what he is hypocritical on. Allowing more free foam discussions, instead of "debates" that go nowhere.
@@MusicaX79 Ta.
@@aliince9372 That guy is legit full trolling.
@@MusicaX79
You are saying that Destiny is a person with politically and economically hypocritical takes that uses the following tactics to win debates: Strawman>refuse to let the other person speak>scream.
That is your good faith description of Destiny's debates?
Are you trolling or memeing and it's whooshed over my head or are you a liar?
Destiny became the Bernie Sanders of saying the N Word in this debate.
@@CrasterFamily hahaha
Corey Ander 😂
Hasan is the Jordan Peterson of the Left
@@cheesuschrist5085 not at all. whether you agree with peterson or not, hes very consistent and deliberate with his words. hasan is just a coward. but, what else would you expect from a young turk? i for one dislike the 'destiny became bernie sanders' thing. bernie is a fraud, destiny is extremely honest.
@@Butterpants1987 I agree Hasan is a moron
Destiny and Hasan have literally the same position on this, they just can't understand each other and get angry for no reason. Okay.
uhhh because hasan is too dumb to argue his positions so he has to resort to being two faced?
@@ulipeterson6112 no way. i forget which video this is, but if it's the kamala harris one, i stand by my comment. hasan simply got out-argued, and then totally went off on destiny because of it! and destiny wasn't arguing in bad faith as much as just not making it easy for hasan. i mean honestly, go over the debate again. hasan just won't concede points even when he's clearly wrong.
@@ulipeterson6112 duuuuuuuuuude did you see the one before this video?? where destiny gets ambushed????? either you completely missed it, or YOU'RE acting in bad faith.
@@onseayu i dont understand how that applies to this video which was the result of trying to create a sense of good faith for destiny which resulted in destiny entertaining it in bad faith.
onseau literally just Whataboutism dog, it is quite simple. In this video Destiny was pretty clearly arguing in bad faith and completely dishonest
Every time I feel sad, I watch this debate. Excellent meme debate.
This just get's me absolutely frustrated 😅
do u feel sad a lot?
2 stupid white liberals are arguing about n word LUL
@@MrBonglove do you?
@@ataridc do you?
Just my opinion, but I feel that in the beginning of the debate, Destiny is really not discussing in good faith.
He keeps derailing what Hasan is saying to bring the discussion back to loaded questions he has carefully chosen to prove the point he'd like to make. This leaves Hasan with two equally undesirable options. Hasan could give a simple direct answer, but that allows Destiny to steer the direction of the conversation. His other option is to expand on his response a bit, but if he does this, Destiny will cut him off part way through and repeat the question, making Hasan look unfocused or unprepared.
It's kind of like the only way Destiny is willing to have this conversation is by using the Socratic method, which is great at derailing someone's argument, but not necessarily good for finding a mutual understanding.
I'm late to this but this comment is exactly how I felt this "debate" went as well. Just Destiny trying to lead Hasan into a gotcha moment. Well said
@@stodt_ and hasan is good at debating
Destiny is asking how and why it is fine in those contexts specifically
Like what within the context makes it okay
People have such strong opinions about this interaction while most of them didn't even watch it all the way through
Let alone understand the complexity of it
The last time I was this early I pirated the entire Destiny season finale on other channels.
Twicharazzis channel should be canceled honestly. Literally just taking content.
@@bernardosax if his editor was faster he wouldnt have been able to yoink it
@Hungry Estonian yes. Both are true. Doesnt mean he shouldnt be shutdown though.
@@nilsify thats true. Doesnt mean he shouldnt be shutdown.
Why u watching that boi
"Is it okay to say it privately if you don't say that you do publically?"
To be fair, even if he believed the answer was yes, he wouldn't be able to say so publically for the same reason why he would hold that belief.
That was my thought too.
@Anal Farmer The edgy teen😑
Words have influence and they make people take actions.
If I threat your safety or your family's safety, you'll take action...same goes for the n-word.
If you believe someone is a n-word, you believe, at a fundamental level, that black people are sub-human, meaning that human rights don't apply to blacks, etc...
That's the same as threatening a black person's safety.
@Anal Farmer Blacks don't call each other the er version, unless they mean to insult another black person, which has the same result regardless of race.
Death treats are illegal, so it is revoking someone's human rights (racism is actually illegal in many countries around the world)
Yes, people have died due to words, bullying can lead to suicide...I find it funny that I had to do the work for your brain...use it, it has a purpose😅
@Anal Farmer Is this supposed to be a racist joke...try another one, there are better ones out there
Perhaps your IQ doesn't help you understand the better ones.
@Anal Farmer I don't get why your virginity is related to your intelligence.
You have options to lose your virginity, go for bad looking women, women as smart as you and if these groups reject you, you can always pay for services.
To solve your IQ issue, just go to school again and again, they might help you, since that isn't a set number
Im a big fan, but on this I disagree with Destiny. I heard Hasanabi answer the question a few times and I agree with his points. Don't hate me for having a different opinion lol
Do t hate me for having a diff opnion too but hasan didnt answer the question 😂
@@rexyz5875 hasan said multiple times that the context matters, amazingly this is an answer to his question. Sorry to blow your mind right but debates on stuff like the use of the n word arent as simple as yes or no questions. It would be nice if they were but the world is not that simple
@@rowantindal4609 it’s easy to say ‘depends on context’ instead of actually making an argument. It’s a cowards approach.
@@matsab7930 no, it's just a more grey approach. destiny is mad that hasan doesn't give a binary answer that he can box him in with, that's all
@@tbumpy4035but the POINT of a question is to “box you in” by getting precise and coherent answers
Haha, imagine these two trying to make decisions for the country.
There was too much Yakubian energy in this debate.
@Frank Marano what's that
@@nikkeipvck8529 black nationalist slur for white people
Whys everyone taking our black nationalism memes? My safespace has been invaded I dont like it 😒
Yakubaians PEPE
*Yakuza energy
17:33 Is literally Hasan's answer. Destiny is obfuscating hard its nuts. He acts extremely paranoid but is trying to gotcha Hasan at the same time here. I guess it's like pay back gas lighting or something?
Destiny lost the plot here. Everything Hasan brought up was relevant.
streamable.com/1ald1
@@strandedpb8133 that's super helpful, thanks. 🤙
Wow yeah you found it. That's the money. The argument is if the word itself is bolstered if you aren't a racist person and use it privately. How unshakeable are a word's origins?
Cope harder Hasan stans. I bet you enjoy when he says the US is just as bad as literal dictatorships
Destiny went from far left to far right without moving.
Elaborate
waht
@UCLVToDTyiACvXorPAWJn_3g The Overton window on twitch and youtube shifted a lot.
Now you have dumbasses like Hasan saying unironically that Destiny is rightwing while the dude just have the same stance all this time
Define far right
I came here wanting to believe Destiny's version of events but I have to say that Hasan did answer the question. Hasan had other things he was wanting to say and was resistant to a clear answer but he did answer. I say this after watching 11 minutes.
Exactly. It’s not a yes or no question
@@WTFBUTWHY Hasan is an idiot though, that's not any kind of question.
@@WTFBUTWHY Nobody asked for a yes or no answer
So what was the answer?
@@spacetoast7783 no. He said no a few times.
I feel like I’ve just gone back in time,
Come on destiny editors lol
They REALLY dropped the ball. I was seeing all of this crazy shit on the subreddit. Couldn't figure out what was going on and ran to twitch in desperation.
Reddy Salted who watches twitch vods?
@@solo8348 twitch streamers
In the description you can see who has edited each one, looks like the recent ones aren't his usual editor.
@Hungry Estonian wdym twitch vods are the reason i pulled the trigger on ad block because id get a 30sec midroll every 10 mins
Destiny had a private discussion in this debate
If you are referring to him typing, I think he is just taking notes
@@thorbjrnbeckmann1018 No, it's a meme referencing his private jokes.
@@nathancampos6277 Oooh, I see! Thanks
It was obvious that Destiny's initial question was a bait question to all of us, that's why the other guy was hesitant to answer it without some context. As soon as he answers it Destiny goes "Your community isn't going to like that" and kicks him shortly after.
It’s not a bait question, Destiny’s position is “There are appropriate contexts to use the n word in private”. He is asking Hassan the same question.
@@Morhpocelionate yeah tbh tho he probs shoulda let hasan explain more even if it was off topic to the quetion, i woulda liked to know but he completely cut hasan off.
@@gnol3656 he let hasan respond with an entire paragraph worth of sentences. I’m sure if he didn’t cut in, it would’ve turned into a whole 5 page essay.
@@jdjenk04 I said this 8 months ago lol maybe you're right but I forget what we were talking about completely
@@Morhpocelionate has an acolytes don’t see that tho
TLDR: Hassan says its bad to say the n word in private, Hassan admits its okay to say it in private in some instances, literally agreeing with destiny. Hassan doesnt understand this
TLDR: Hasan is a talentless idiot
As a black dude myself, I really don't give a shit what people say privately. It essentially comes down to how they treat myself or others that will determine if I should take offense or not.
W pfp
I mean is it okay if I’m black and I say the n word to you, but if I’m white does it make you mad or is it ok, I’m just trying to get answers
okay? want a cookie?
@@Elliesoraeveryones different, you could hit me with a hard r and i truley wouldnt give a rats ass but others will try to fight you over n word ending with an a even if its not mewnt to gurt feeling
Damm Destiny you were annoying here. He did answer your question many times but you wanted a yes or no which is bs. You sound like your trying to have a gotcha moment on him. Chill out breh
Its his DO YOU LAH BLA PEOPEL
LeGoatBronzo except it’s not binary. Especially as a public figure. Which is what hasan was saying. Why destiny, supposedly the king of Nuance, isn’t capable of understanding this point, is beyond me. I get why you don’t. You’re a fucking sycophant. But he stated very clearly, he wouldn’t advise it for a normal person, let alone a public figure. What’s so hard to understand about that?
I understand that it might look like a "gotcha" given that Hasan's answer was obviously "no, but if you're going to do it don't admit to it". But you have to realise that in past conversations Hasan has held different, contradictory, positions to the one he gave in this video. Which is why Destiny is trying really hard to press Hasan for a yes.
The root of the issue stems from the fact that Hasan never actually thinks about most of his positions before he takes a stance. He tries to think of something that is consistent to say on the spot. Which inevitably leads to something like this, where someone interprets his laziness (and stupidity if you will) as him being dishonest.
So when Destiny asks for a yes or no, and Destiny perceives Hasan as being dishonest for denying previous position, he interprets Hasan's genuine attempt at answering his question as a continuance of the dishonesty.
@@jayt7178 The question was nuanced to the point where it accounted for any caveats. So he could've said "no".
Hasan literally goes against his own "morals and beliefs" he will say one thing then turn around and say another thing he never has a stance on the matter he wants to be on all sides at all times just take a stance take a position so destiny can debate that position
I can't believe he posted this it's fucking embarrassing
This is Destiny's channel, not Hasan's.
@@spacetoast7783 It's embarrassing for destiny
@@lcanfly12398 Why? He kept the conversation on track really well.
@@spacetoast7783 He asked a bad question and wouldn't let Hassan answer it with any kind of depth
Destiny seriously needs to see a therapist.
But at least he's not wrong.
@@spacetoast7783 I have no idea why I even wrote this. It was 2 years ago. Hasan is a total moron. Destiny was 100% right.
Found the mentally retarded hasan fanboy
@@spacetoast7783he is you weren't paying attention.
@@akhilnair1137 thanks for being specific 👍
People might disagree with this, and I'm actually on Destiny's side on this issue but he's acting a bit like Jesse Lee Peterson at the beginning. He asks a question, Hasan answers but adds nuance to his answer and Destiny says "why can't you just answer the question". I think Destiny is a great debater, but I don't get why he does stuff like that, and it's always bothered me. Seems like a way to manipulate the other person through with weak pedantry. Am I wrong on this?
one is dodging a direct answer, the other is a loaded question that already begs the answer.
The issue is that Destiny is trying to establish whether it is EVER okay to do x. When Hasan answers and says that he would "rather", it doesn't advance the convo. We're talking about whether its okay, not what you would rather someone do.
watching further I sort of get what he's doing. He feels like he's been smeared and misrepresented so he's trying to give Hasan a taste of that. I'm with him there, but in a vacuum his behavior at the beginning feels odd.
You may be right in other debates or arguments, but not this one. Hasan derails and tries to back peddaling by saying well I don't think it's funny, it's cringy, I'd never so it blahabalabah. He wasn't asking whether Hasan would do it personally.
Amazin, the only thing that was missing here was destiny calling hasanbae a beata!
Destiny was dancing on the ashes of a burnt bridge in this debate.
That Guy From NY lmao I saw u on a rajj Patel show comment section
@@dragonplayz6606 Did you like what you saw?
Did you come up with that analogy or did you take it from somewhere? Cause if you did I think it’s impressive, damn good wordplay
the question was answered 10 times in the first 5 min and he didnt he it once.
This clip proves the importance of freedom of speech, imagine if we gave the power to control speech, legislatively, to these people
This isn’t about legal rights
@@toddpacker4683 do you know what the word "imagine" means?
@@spikedmo his point is Hasan isn’t saying that he would restrict peoples speech in a legal sense so imagining if we gave him legislative power isn’t really relevant because there’s no evidence he would change our current laws on free speech
@@JayD73 I don’t think we should trust anything Hassan says.
@@Mich-jk2ze sure I don’t really like Hassan or his views but you can’t just say he would do something when he’s never said he would do it. That’s dishonest
This is not a good look for destiny my god “bro I say the n word all the time so what”
said that with his chest MAAAAN LMAO
So what tho. It’s a word. I’ve been called whit by people cause I’m Jewish and I laugh it off. I don’t really know how many people get offended by that shit
Taysco big difference between saying white and dropping a hard r on the n bomb. Or maybe I’m just stupid.
@@HummusWorld yeah maybe
@@HummusWorld Maybe
The amount of people getting banned in chat for saying the n-word lmao
Destiny: “Do you believe it’s ok to say the N word in private”
Hasan: “No...”
Destiny 5 minutes later: “ok, so do you think it’s ok to say the N word n private”
Hasan: “um, no...”
Also destiny, now 1 minute later: “I’ve asked you twice now and I still don’t know if you believe it’s ok or not”
Wait, what??
He litteraly changed his answer...
Yep. He said no and then he continually asked him the same question.
@@exiledfrommyself You have terrible reading comprehension. You people want free shit so badly that you will take people's freedom of speech.
Because Hasan justified the answer by pointing to hypothetical future consequences. Destiny asked, what if that future never came to pass, is it still bad?
B Roobit YES, that’s why his position remained at NO. But since that’s an illogical view in a social landscape why would anybody want to know your stance on something if “lol there’s no outcomes or consequences”. Like, bro, we take stances based on the OUTCOMES of that stance or decision or ideology. That’s how you make an educated decision or opinion on a topic.
Both of you are both so unbelievably cringe worthy
I really like Destiny but he lost me on this one.
First of all he got unhinged out of nowhere, secondly Hasan actually explained his answer but Destiny didn't accepted it.
As mentioned below , Just take a break on debating Destiny relax a bit.
He doesn't answer the questions. He never gives his own opinion on what he personally thinks only what other people should do.
"“Uhm no, I would you rather....” he isn’t answering the question. He is giving his opinion on what he would RATHER people do. Not giving his actual position in it. Which is why in multiple parts of this he says stuff like “it’s cringe to say” or “I wouldn’t personally say it” but when hasan FINALLY gives his position it’s that of “ in certain contexts around the right people it is okay to say edgy jokes that include the n-word” hopefully you just misunderstood and you aren’t being a massive piece of disingenuous shit." - what someone else in the comments said
@@minecraft12346 TRUE!
dhruvie So he does give his position? That made no sense. You can watch from like 21:00 onward and it’s pretty clear destiny doesn’t want to debate
@@carter.4023 he doesnt tho not until 20 minutes of destiny asking. Saying weather he would personally do something or not isn't him giving his position. he has to say weather that action is right or wrong. just because he wouldn't personally do it doesn't mean anything in this scenario..
@@minecraft12346 So you think he would intentionally do something that is morally wrong? When he says he would personally do something implies that it's what he think is right. Why would he need to clarify that what he would do is right? You think he would announce that what he personally does or thinks is wrong? Take hints, don't make everything more complicated which destiny did and it makes you look like a fucking idiot.
I actually feel like hasan was being pretty transparent with his answers. Why can’t he say “I think white people can say the n word in certain context” and also add that he wouldn’t personally do it? How is that spineless? Lol
Because he only says that to Destiny. On streams with black people, he says it is never okay to say the n-word. It feels like he changes his position depending on who he is talking to.
And he said he did it in private all the time in surfed podcast. Yeah, Hasan is spinless.
He can't say that because he's trying to hold contradictory beliefs. If he believes that there are certain contexts in which it is okay for a white person to use the n word, he cannot follow that up with how the word is dehumanizing to black people and he would never use it.
Either it's dehumanizing and not okay, or it's okay in certain circumstances and Hasan should have no trouble using it in those circumstances. He's agreeing that it's okay in certain contexts while maintaining that it's never okay at all.
@@snuzzlebumble How stupid are you? He actually said it to Trihex himself that in certain instances it is okay. Shocker: Trihex is black.
www.twitch.tv/clip/PoorTolerantAlpacaVoteYea
www.twitch.tv/clip/ArborealPhilanthropicRadicchioDxCat
if you pressed hasan in real life he'd fold immediately he's a spineless coward
I used to watch Destiny all the time. But wtf happened to him? He's completely gone off the deep end
Dude runs on 1’s and 0’s and forgot what it’s like to be human.
I guess I’m just confused as to why he was being so dismissive to Hasan’s points. Like if he doesn’t care what Hasan has to say then why even talk to him. I’m not saying Hasan is perfect or saying his point is perfectly made obviously not but jeez.
@@robertleblanc4099 cause he has heard these arguments countless times
Hasan needs to be spoken to like this, he's a petulant child making free money off idiots like you. He literally doesn't make any valuable contributions to discourse. he does nothing but pass his faux-socialism off to his middle-class white audience so he can earn enough capitalist cash to fuck more porn stars and live in bigger houses. If you support the guy you're smooth-brained.
@@matsab7930 you can infer nothing of what i think from that comment. Do you even know what I'm talking about? Shut the fuck up. Maybe think before you lash out like a petulant child.
This is so embarrassing for you smh. Y’all wanna say the n word so bad for what? Bless for Hasan I wouldn’t have had the patience.
@Naters Imagine being so disrespectful and ignorant that you comment this 4 months later because your little fucking pea brain thinks you made a good comeback. 😂
@munchkin Thanks for letting me know. I think it was still a good conversation to have.
Destiny. I strongly feel that this must be how Sam Harris feels when, for example, confronting Cenk Yugor. I know you don't like him a lot, but this is soooo similar. Love both Sam, and you.
20:59 Destiny: you just admitted to having a public-private differentiation, you said i undid everything by admitting that. you just admitted it
23:00 Hasan: talks about a specific context that saying the n-word privately would be bad, a position destiny agreed with.
Destiny: WAIT SO YOU'RE CHANGING YOUR POSITION NOW?????
you misunderstand that position (something you agreed with), then hung up as he explains the misunderstanding. what a productive conversation, truly
Destiny's point still stands though that Hasan is being hypocritical by saying Destiny undermines everything he stands for by admitting it even though Hasan just admitted it.
vonnivf He says it undermines everything Destiny says because it quite literally does. Admitting you say it in private makes it public. Whether you say it or not the knowledge and outcomes from saying it publicly such as reinforcing racist beliefs of some, exist.
Destiny argument is that there is a difference between saying it in public vs in private. That’s it. People are taking it to unrelated levels.
@@carter.4023 If I say I repeated a funny joke with the n word in it, instead of repeating the joke, I think it would be a much different look and appeal to a much different audience. I don't think admitting it really hurts anything.
@re e This is kind of funny to me I guess I just disagree. I’m gonna need you to draw the connection here cause I’m clearly a bit slow. To ME at least I can get to racism from saying the n-word easier than I can get from a a girl with a non con kink to sexual assaults. Also it’s quite a bit different when Destiny says to thousands of people that he says the nword imo. It’s not fucking thought police either lmao, you don’t have a problem with people thinking about saying the nword or something, the problem I think I remember Hasan having is when YOU SAY YOU SAY the nword. You are literally admitting to doing it haha.
Destiny came out of prison with a much harder and Angrier "R" than he had when he went in in this debate.
"I can't debate to save my life"
Yeah Hasan, we already knew that six years ago.
and yet destiny still lost this debate
@@utena2 did he tho?
I don't even like destiny, I just like laughing at how dumb Hasan is lol
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He’s smarter than you, for sure. Hasan is objectively not a dumb guy. However, he’s not the best at expressing himself, in debates particularly. I think he might be mildly dyslexic.
Cenk’s nephew talked a lot and got yelled at in this debate
so, about par. meh
great summary
Debating is a skill that Hassan does not possess.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor lol both of them were embarrassing honestly. Destiny is trying to make it black and white, Hassan is just generally stupid.
like Hasan didn't even care about him saying it or not, because Hasan knew beforehand, that Destiny would never concede. So Hasan tried to make the argument of the consequence of making it public, that Destiny says it in private. Destiny however was so hyperfocused on is it ok or not, that they just talked past each other, like every single time they talk. If Destiny wasn't debating whether every single tree is alive to make the forest, this wouldn't have been a shitshow
You mean how Hasan doesn't believe that the N work jokes are inherently bad, and you should be able to make them, even though he doesn't?
@@RequiemOfSolo exactly that, is not the point. That's just a way to "win". The point is whether making such a discussion public, is harmful.
Therefore Hasan's personal take (on saying it) is wholly irrelevant.
"So Hasan tried to make the argument of the consequence of making it public, that Destiny says it in private."
Sure dude, keep fucking kidding yourself into believing that was the entirety of Hasan's claim. He had clearly said, and this is especially clear when he was discussing it with Trihex, that it was bad no matter the scenario regardless of whether or not it was made public. Destiny was also completely justified in hyperfocusing on whether it was ok or not for that exact reason because Hasan kept flip-flopping on whether or not it was okay to say it in private and was trying to get a clear answer out of him, so what a fucking surprise that he wasn't going to listen to Hasan's whole fucking spiel about completely irrelevant things.
People who start their sentence with “like” are retarded
Hasan was right, but should've stuck to it's never ok to say, no exceptions, but people will anyway.
Its funny that Hasan finally sticks to something he said. He said he'd never speak to Destiny again and he's sticking to it.
I wish I had a rich uncle who disavows nepotism publicly, but throws a couple 100k my way when Ana Kasparian isn’t looking
Is destiny losing his mind?
T M he has a kid so i would say he is close
Yes.
@Yassine Ouerda yikes
ANd Destiny totally misrepresented the nuance (which really wasn't that deep) of Hasan's distinction between saying something in private vs. public.
Destiny learned from the best, Jesse Lee Peterson.
wait, what? the discussion wasnt about private vs public, it was about whether the n word is okay sometimes in private, destiny agrees to that nuance you mentioned.
Pretty sure you misrepresented it so that you could post an original comment and seek that sweet sweet confirmation from other like minded individuals. Its almost as if the farther left/right that you venture you end up in a populist, isolationist authoritarian nightmare.
Watching 2 former kings use an argument about the n word as proxy for their bitter feelings towards each other ;-;. powerful
Bruh this is the only Destiny video I've seen but he seems crazy in this, he's projecting so hard onto Hasan
Hasan is a snake. It was uncomfortable watching him try to weasel out of agreeing with Destiny's position. "Well uhhh I don't say it! Well uhhh I think it's cringey!"
why do i feel like ur lying
What is he projecting?
He is extremely frustrated that he is just trying to vulture signal. Its obvious Destiny is not racist or prompts racism in his private conversations. He just saying that you can make off cooler jokes.. I know EMTs that make jokes about 9/11 and shit. EMTs have really dark humor in order to help them cope with the shit they see...
The discussion was about the use of the n-word in private when you quote a joke (for example one from Dave Chappell) that uses the n-word. Hasan seems to agree that the use of it in such a specific situation *seems* to be ok because he doesn’t feel like there’s an argument against it. But he never commits to that position and instead just vulture signals to his audience that Destiny uses the n-word in private „all the Time“.
This whole arc was a total shitshow.
I didn't watch destiny for a few months and this happens like wtf destiny what happend to you
Boba he’s publicly held these beliefs for a long time, wether or not you agree with them
Just give him some time. The beard will grow back to what it should be
Literally nothing has changed.
@@firesong7825 the beard and dunno how to say but he seems very angry and not like he wants a proper debate I only watched the first few minutes it was to awful
@@DietrichMischke its about the way he talks/approaches the topic it changed a lot I didn't watch the "debate" long enough to notice any differences
I feel like I am watching a korean drama, this is so much about their personal drama than about the use of the n-word in private.
This is top destiny content right here.
Hasan: *Answers question like five times*
Destiny: “ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION!!!1!”
Okay take it easy.
He wasn't answering anything, he was retreating.
@@SomersBugtopia he literally gave a nuanced answer with context. Destiny wanted a yes or no, so he could pull a “gotcha” and then lost his mind when Hasan didn’t respond the way he wanted him to.
@@chanceytheyoungin The "nuanced answers" everytime were dodging what he was actually asking because Hasan was trying to save face. In pretty much every circumstance he was weasel wording.
What was his answer to the question?
@@crbgamer Come on dude, he clearly answered "No" and gave an explanation as to why he has that stance on the topic.
I like Destiny, but I do agree that he was being a little hot headed during this debate.
So according to Destiny the discussion around using the n word couldn’t possibly be nuanced in some way or requiring that you go beyond a simple “yes” or “no” answer.
Hasan couldn't even answer with a simple yes or no in the first place
Little did I know that Jesse Lee Peterson was asking Destiny a simple question "Do you love black people?" to figure out his beliefs but couldn't get a straight answer and so reasonably got frustrated. Huh. Really makes you think.
When did Destiny turn into Jesse Lee Peters?
I'm going to his show next week. I dont know what to expect
UHMAZIN!
Destinys becoming alpha ?🤔 Conservitive ??🖒
*Peterson
literally though the same thing
Yeah there's too much history between the two of them, there's no way they could have a level-headed discussion
This was when the bad blood started. There really wasn't any history here.
@@spacetoast7783
nope the bad blood started before this lmaoo
@@garywebb2432 ok kiddo
@@spacetoast7783 thanks
@@garywebb2432do u like that
Nah he really did answer it so many times destiny is trying to squeeze shit out😂
7:15 imagine calling the entire planet, all 8 billion people, the n-word from ISS lol.
@Hungry Estonian kek
Oh shoot Destiny is Jesse Lee Peterson part two. Lol 😹
Yeah i was like wtf happend to destiny?!?!🙃
Repeating a question because the other party is being evasive is different from what Jesse Lee Peterson does
Yeah cu, hassan was exposed here, his tactics are just like his uncle shenks lmao people simp for him and his views just because he is a super good looking guy ngl but if you listen to his points, sure he makes good points most of the time but he isnt helping himself here
What’s wrong with Destiny’s premises?
"YOU CANT ANSWER THE QUESTION" while man answers the question is the most cringe shit ever.
What was his answer
Destiny turns into a child when he know’s he wrong
now you know how Jesse felt when he asked you if you love blah pepul
Destiny = JLP
Both braindead when it comes to race.
@@Luka-bx7bn average far lefty
27:15 “It doesn’t matter what your intent is when you’re actively harming another person”
Destiny... doesn’t that entirely ruin your argument about using the n word in private? Your intent might have just been to make jokes with friends but trihex was hurt when he found out. Would it not be fair to say that you would be in the wrong if the intent doesn’t matter?
Well the context is using the word outside of the ears of people who would find it offensive, in private.
He literally answered the question the first time
What was the answer?
What was the answer? x2
@@spacetoast7783 That it’s okay to say in a private setting.
@@Ntmonmegng Really? He gave the opposite answer in this video.
What was the answer? x3
Destiny, I like your content but this has to be your weakest moment.
More like the strongest moment,Burning bridges with grifters is a hard thing to do, especially when the grifter is a 6 ft chad who doesn't pay his editors.
Nah strongest moment
The best arc in Destiny's history
Slams desk. Windows noise. "What a fucking-" rolls chair into desk "liar, dude. What a fucking-" 👋 "weasely" 👋 "little" 👋 "liar, dude." ✊ "What a fucking-" 👋 "weasely" 👋 "little" 👋 "liar, dude" ✊ "Holy shit dude" Sub notification "Holy fucking shit dude, literally lying, still lying-"
This debate in a nutshell:
Destiny: *"If a tree falls in the forest and says the N-WORD. Does it make a sound?"*
Hasan: *"I'd rather the tree doesn't fall"*
Destiny: *"JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!! HASAN"*
Amazin’!
Totally uses conversation
@@jmanakajosh9354 Destiny was really bad in this one. Hasan was answering his question.
@@geekaleek
I think Hasan's argument is sound but I sorta side with Destiny on this though, if he wants to in the right context he can use any version of the N-word is he wants and no one is justified in their anger
@@geekaleek No he wasn't dawg, watch it again homie.
Destiny didnt own hasan hasan meant that theres some contexts but he meant that destiny crosses a line in his private usage
There is context to everything in life especially words intent and context matters the word "nigga" isn't bad just bc it's bad its only bad when used in a derogatory way also it wouldn't matter who says it either that's just stupid identity politics as long as it's used in a non derogatory way Its fine that's the context in which it's fine Hasan just assumes that people only use it in derogatory contexts which people don't 99% of the time it's used in a non derogatory context it's harder to make a case for the hard R n word since it's only used in derogatory fashion lmao but "nigga" is fine as long as it is in a non derogatory context
"In space no one can hear you say the N-Word" - Hasan Piker
I honestly think context is everything. The body language, tone, frequency, and most importantly, intent, of how it is said I think is more important than the question of public or private.
literally destiny was being such a fucking hack here
You can explain those things in words. Hassan legit wouldn’t answer the required questions in order to move onto those contextual scenarios until like 12 minutes in. And even then it was like pulling teeth and he mostly pivoted.
@@akallstar5 because destiny was looking for a yes or no answer lol
@@whopperlover1772 Because Hassan has ZERO PRINCIPLES on when it is and isn’t ok to say the n word. He was contradicting himself and side stepping constantly. It’s all a manipulation to avoid having a specific position and hold favor with his fans without looking like a hypocrite.
The black hole of drama known as Destiny has now doubled in size.
24:01 was legendary XDDDD
hasan is trying to explain hes point but destiny don`t let him explain. this is pathetic that destiny believes hes right in any way
They are so cute when they argue.
Yeah, uh, Destiny, he answered your question, just not the way you wanted him to. He qualified his "no" with instances in which it would apply but you didn't like that. You wanted him to say no without qualification, which surprises me, given how good you usually are at nuanced discussion. If someone asks you "Is it okay to kill someone," you would not say "no" because if someone is hurting someone you love in front of you, if you have to, you will do so in self-defense. If you answered that, the other person would be wrong to accuse you of dodging the question due to equivocation, since there are instances when it would be justified, and thus you wouldn't be able to commit to a simple yes or no answer, the way you want this guy to commit to. It is either disingenuous or (which I highly doubt) uncharacteristically obtuse on your part to demand that he does. I suspect it's the former because before he provided his nuanced answer to your question you prefaced your listening to it with "Okay, but I'm just going to ask you the same answer after you finish," which you did, in order to save face and follow through on asking the same question again. I've been listening to your debates for some time now and you really dropped the ball on this one.
That's a false equivalence. The question Destiny asked was already nuanced enough and only required a straightforward response.
Unlike your example of "Is it okay to kill someone?" Destiny asked "Is there any context where killing someone is okay?" This phrasing of the question accounts for self-defense or hurting someone you love.
Hasan agrees that there are instances where it is okay, but then follows it up by clarifying that it isn't okay. The reason for the shit-show is Hasan trying to hold contradictory positions. I'll use your example.
D: "Is there any context where killing someone would be okay such as self defense? "
H: "Yeah I can agree that killing someone in self-defense would be okay"
D: "So we agree?"
H: "Killing people isn't an okay thing to do because it takes someone's life away from them."
D: "You JUST said that it's okay in the context of self-defense. So is it okay in the context of self-defense or not?"
H: "I wouldn't kill anyone in self-defense because I don't think it's okay."
Rinse and repeat.
@@nateriver4951 "D: "Is there any context where killing someone would be okay such as self defense? " is a false equivalence for "D: "Is it okay to use racist slurs in private as long as you don't publicize it?" because the latter is not particularized enough; a more accurate equivalence to your refinement of my more general original scenario would be "D: Is it okay to use anti-black slurs in private as long as you don't publicize it?"
This is a fairly decent example of the sort of legitimate equivocation I'm speaking about: th-cam.com/video/EfAWALcKf2w/w-d-xo.html
destiny i gotta be honest, dude answered the same question in 4 different ways, you are the same as crowder. if you gave a fuck about the answer (stupid question anyway, non productive) you would have taken his answer the first 3 times.
looking back on this, their friendship ending, especially over THIS nonsense has been nothing but negative to the online left space
this season needs subtitles on their episodes
The dub is better
Damn, destiny got debated in this debate.
Sometimes I feel so relaxed, that I come to this video to get stressed :)
Destiny: bruh lemme say the n word
Hasan: nah
More like allow me to say it without claiming it is so damaging without logic
@@ethanstapley7018 nah
@@abigdyl It's a bit confusing what I said but you just saying nah is basically as much effort Hasan put into giving good reasons for why it is morally wrong.
@@ethanstapley7018 nah fam regardless of how you justify it in your own head, because morals are kind of subjective, the overall contextual history of the N word is fucked up. Therefore saying it in private and even if the way you use it is completely unrelated to original context of the word, in my opinion, is morally wrong. But like you do you, right? To each their own. Say the N word in private if you want? lol
@@abigdyl Wow you keep having these similarities to Hasan. You have an opinion without providing any good reasons for why a person should be persuaded into having that opinion, which is the whole point of a discussion/debate. And if you think you should be able to have an opinion without having to defend it, don't morally reprimand someone publicly like I think Hasan did, or don't enter a conversation cockily like you sort of did.
I think one of the main problems is that both of these guys have different views on what constitutes nuance within a similar opinion.
Jesus Christ Hasan answered that FIRST FUCKING QUESTION like 90 times and Destiny just WOULDN'T stop asking it
He didn't but ok
@@ogzombieblunt4626 stfu this was 3 years ago
I’m fairly certain he was explaining his answer
But somehow he never even got to the answer itself
@@spacetoast7783
who's was cutting him off? hmmm
@@garywebb2432 Who are you talking to right now? You clearly tagged me by accident.
@@spacetoast7783
typing isn't talking you slowpoke
@@garywebb2432 Who are you talking to?
Dude having a nuanced position that takes context into consideration IS a position. When you say "hold to a position" what you really mean is "have a stance that is easy for my baby brain to digest and can be stated in a single sentence and is universally applicable"
Lol to you and your 12 likers
18:57 i'm guessing this was a heat of the moment/talking past each other kind of thing for steven because i'm sure that he is aware that a person can not want to talk about x in it of itself but having the feeling of wanting to help a friend win over. (i think of it as two mesurments(or parameters?) and the biggset get chosen. maybe steven think of it as a single one? ) (sorry if the last part was cunfusing)
Destiny learned a lot from JLP I see.
amazin
Destiny's question was sufficiently specific as to allow a yes or no answer without any other implications, JLP's was not. If you can't see the difference, you're just trying to delude yourself into believing anything such that you can make Destiny out to somehow be the bad guy here.
@@firesong7825 you delude yourself into thinking that my comment was something else than a joke. I don't care about either of them and their highschool drama. And this discussion had enough similarities to JLP to make it.
@@baldawen Sure, that's fine; then my comment just applies to everyone liking your comment who isn't viewing it just as a joke.
Not really. These two were arguing entirely different points. Asking yes or no questions in an honest way is only ever useful if it would clear up a point that you otherwise understand. If it is the basis for the entire point than it provides nothing because it lacks any explanation. Dishonestly its just a "gotcha" to try to make someone seem to say someonething they dont mean. Do you love black people? No then youre racist. If you said yes than you have to agree with whatever JLP says or else you lied before. Hasans point was that admiting you say the n word makes you look bad, even if its actually ok to say it. Destiny claims he was just talking about jokes, which hasan never had a problem with it was publicly defending saying it that was his problem. You dont have to agree with that, but that is what the debate shouldve been about and Destiny called that pivoting and running away, that is either dishonest or he just did not understand at all. Destiny just wanted to get hasan to admit he says it or that its ok to say it so he looks bad, and then hangs up on him. That is not honest.
I get destiny’s point but to just try and make that a clear cut statement and to pretend there isn’t nuance to a statement like that is absolutely wild. Destiny is literally going for a gotcha moment that he was trying to not fall into with Hassan.
He can’t awnser a clear question though it’s for real maybe he is just to scared because he is a public figure but he is literally like Justin treudau prime minister of Canada like he just deverts every question can’t awnser a yes and no question so u can never know where they actually stand on stuff they just anwnser a yes or no question with a paragraph
@@classifiedinformation960he did tho. He answered it several times. This is exactly why debates are so lost now. What they teach you in philosophy is the goal is to not win the debate but to gather a further understanding of both sides
@@bradfordross2088 For real, he really did answer it...just not in this blanket statement way that Destiny was holding onto so desperately. Any debate that you start to whine, speak over the other person, and get emotional to the point that your voice cracks you have lost the ethos of your argument. Something that is hard to recover from.
Who tf simps for hasan? Dude flip flopped, allegedly, in the first few n-word moments.
I dont think making a clear cut statement is very hard at all. But lets pretend that it is.
The HONEST way to react to Destiny's question would be to think about it for a moment, and then when you realize that you aren't sure how to make a clear prescription, to ADMIT THAT.
For example "Hmm, I'm actually not sure. I know there are acceptable ways and unacceptable ways to use the N-word in private, but I'm not sure how to clearly differentiate them".
The DISHONEST way to react, is to pivot from point to point to point and give random examples that don't answer the question.
In truth, Hasan was just terrified of giving the wrong answer. That's it.
Hasan is NEVER interested in giving HIS opinion on a controversial issue, he is SOLELY focused on giving the RIGHT answer. (the answer that will cause the least amount of blowback for him in his lefty/progressive/tanky communities.
And if he doesnt know the right answer, he will dance and dance until the questioner gives up.
You can view almost ANY Hasan conversation through this lens, and will explain 95% of his dialogue.
this is the dumbest conversation of all time