My thoughts exactly. And the really awkward moment when Blizz discusses the azerite system and says "unfortunately thats the way it works" as if they have no control over it. What a weird thing to say about a product you created and delivered. I mean who is signing off on these systems if Ion and Lore are admitting the system has flaws...
I disagree, to me it seems more they are just listing the things people from other videos and highlighted reddit threads and forum posts have talked about, so they are trying to get a % on what people agree or disagree with those opinions.
That's because they KNOW, they've ALWAYS known. These companies ALWAYS know what their issues are and why people leave their game, they simply don't bother to do shit.
removal of tier sets non interesting rewards azerite raid progression is non existent (wanna progress through raids not difficulties) lfr removing mystique of new raids titanforging professions no longer rewarding no long term goals to work towards no super rare exclusive items or areas to work towards patches make the previous raid tiers COMPLETELY obsolete
Your comment feels like it's contradicting itself all over the place. How can you complain about a lack of raid progression and complain about LFR in the same post? First, progression raiders don't do LFR (unless they just want to pick up some augment runes). Second, LFR doesn't come out until most guilds have already completed a raid on Normal difficulty so it in no way kills the "mystique." You then complain that new patches make previous raid tiers completely obsolete. But I get the sense that if the gear that drops in the new raid wasn't head and shoulders above the gear from Uldir you'd be pissed about the lack of character progression. No long term goals to work towards? How about gaining exalted reputation with every faction, rare mounts/pets/toys/transmog, achievement hunting? Oh, that's right, you probably burned yourself out completing all of that in 2 months didn't you?
@@connman8d617 seeing Rag for the first time after weeks of progression vs seeing rag 3 times in the first week or two and then a 4th after a couple months. They don"t compare. As I stated above Id rather progress raids and not difficulties. It's a matter of visual progression not just item level
personally with LFR i think it could probably use some changes but it shouldnt be removed LFR allows everyone to finish the story of an expansion/expansion update, if it wasnt for LFR lots of people would be left without an ending to a story, like the zandalar story, or the suramar story, theyde have to go and look it up on youtube or something to see how it ends, and no game should be like that, everyone should be able to play through a games/expansions/updates ending im not sure what can be done to change LFR to something people are happy with though, cause ive never really had a problem with it because thats how ive always viewed it, and im not someone who only raids LFR, ive done normals and heroics, plus ive always thought of it like "because its an easier version of the raid, being easier than the normal difficulty, isnt it what it should be? the weakest versions of the raid rewards and none of the special rewards like mounts and no achievements with mount rewards", plus, it can be seen as "training", not all the mechanics are there, but the basic ones are there for people to learn so that when they go into the normal mode and higher they have a basic understanding of what to do, while still going through the process of learning other mechanics, there would just be less to learn, or less for the others in the raid to teach them
I think if difficulty has to be taken down to the point where it's a no lose condition, you shouldn't be seeing very end end content. When theres no lose condition it ceases to be a game. Normal is easy enough for anyone to get through already. If you do have trouble with it, then you now have a long term goal instead of having it spoonfed to you in lfr. Getting to jump straight to the final boss of an expansion not long after hitting cap, and killing him without ever having to speak to another player is NOT healthy for an mmo
Nixxiom said it best: "In WoD, people left because there was nothing to do. In BfA, people leave because of the friction of playing the game." That, my friends, is the truth. WoD had great environments, great questing, great dungeons, great raids... but simply not enough of them (selfie-cam patch, anyone?). BFA is simply a gentle kick in the balls every time you log in. -Work your ass off in Mythic+? Congrats, the item that drops is a downgrade. -Looking forward to playing [insert your class here]? Congrats, it's been simplified down to boringness. -Wanna do some epic content? Congrats, Warfronts and world quests and island expeditions. -Wanna try a new allied race? Congrats, grind a toon to 120, then grind out the relative faction rep to exalted, then grind an entirely new character up from level 1... all while your friends are doing the end-game content.
WoD was incredible until it wasn't. The first 2 months of WoD I felt like it was one of the best xpacs ever. Then my computer blew up and I couldn't play for like 8 months. When I came back I was stunned to find out that not much new content had been added over those 8 months.
@@connman8d617 Wod got fucked by being developed side by side with legion, if they went with the normal 2 year cadence wod could've been one of the better expansions.
just unsubbed after about 11 years the games has changed so much its not an RPG anymore its a slot machine where the drops don't mean anything not going to lie was hard giving up all the mounts and other things I've got over the years but fuck it wait for classic and start all over again
Yep, waiting impatiently for Classic! My husband and I unsubbed after only two weeks in BFA (not even in WoD did we unsub that early). Totally on rails xpac..hate it. Miss making my own adventures...not worrying about having to do my emissaries, WQ's, weekly M+ or I'm missing out on stuff.
scrumpyjobe did you give your gold away ? I’m asking because if you didn’t then you’ll be back just like me . It’s a drug and you’ll need help to avoid the world of warcrack
@@marlonpark I don't think many are expecting it to be the same experience. They are expecting it to be a far better one then current Wow. And they are correct. Even "Not that great" far surpasses current live servers which the thought of logging in makes me disgusted.
They should have "done something" months ago. Their apathy towards their players' suggestions is not going to end well. I know many players who were staunch, hard-core loyal fans of wow that have just completely lost interest.
Agreed. The only reason they're doing this is because the sub numbers were allegedly leaked and the stock took a hit, from what I read. I don't think the current devs care one bit that so many people have left since they haven't changed course and they've lost 65% of the player base since WoD. (10 million at WoD launch vs 3.4 million people for BfA.)
I unsubbed today.. I've been playing since the second month of vanilla. I'm very proud of the weapons that I have that are no longer in the game but I have then... like benediction and such. I've also been invited to every beta since MOP. I give my concerns, I offer ways that they can improve.. and for the most part the concerns are addressed in beta or within the first few weeks of launch. This beta however.. it felt like blizz did not care about anything. The beta forums were very active and there is a difference in the way someone feels when you ignore them... and when a blue post says things that are a nicer way of saying, "you're doing it wrong" "you just don't understand" or "that's the way it's going to be" "just deal with it." The beta forums made me feel like blizz gave us the big middle finger, with glow in the dark paint so we couldn't miss it. And then the Q&As we ever more patronizing. How hard is it to say, we hear your concerns and we are working on a fix that won't break the game? Instead we got the same craps the blue posts gave us in the beta forums. I remember many years ago a blue told me that if you post a problem on the forums with no solution and that is all negative the devs will pay it no mind. So I made sure to always try to put a solution to the problem in my threads. But at a certain point, this is blizz game, we shouldn't have to tell them a solution to a problem they created. They have all these high paid teams working on this game and they couldn't figure this out? Enough ranting... I'm done
It's probably bad lead developers. Each head is just someone that has to work there, just because you have the most developers, programmers, doesn't mean they'll each take their own decisions and do whatever in those offices. they should still listen to developers' ideas, if they had ideas of improvements. If they did the exact opposite of that and went full pride, all ears shut, then I'm not surprised by the result and I don't fucking care if WoW hurts because of it, because nothing is above good practice.
Don't sweat it man. Unsub and try a different hobby or game for a while. If they get things together and make the game fun again you can always resub at that point without having missed anything! Personally I've been enjoying dark souls remastered :) cheers!
It'll be interesting to see what Blizzard decided to do. The game is just not fun anymore. Everything feels like a grind or time-gated to keep you subbing. That's very disappointing.
Look at the allied races, for example. Let's say someone saw the advertisements that there are new allied races, and wanted to come back to the game to play them (there are plenty of cases of this), let's just say Void Elves. Blizzard completely misled them by downplaying the unlock requirements "ALLIED RACES - Venture forth as one of the new playable Allied Races in Battle for Azeroth. Earn the respect of and you'll unlock the ability to create new prestige characters of that race." "Earn the respect of ____" doesn't really explain to a newcomer what it really entails, which is "Create a character of the race you don't want to play, level all the way up, grind to exalted on previous expansion content (which can take several weeks), unlock the race, then level all the way back to 110 again to do BfA content". I can understand a rep requirement in the BfA pre-release, as a way to incentivize current players to get the races early. But that rep requirement should've been removed at launch for Legion reps. Only allied races that should still be rep-locked are the Dark Iron Dwarves and the Mag'Har Orcs. This is just one example of shit being grindy just to keep people subbing and not to feel a sense of achievement.
@@MrArlen94 If you have to grind it should be for a damn good reason. WotLK did it right, you grinded hard you got the Helm Enchant which could only be gotten through that grind. I am sick of the AP grind. I hated it in Legion and all they did is bring the worst parts of Legion and drop them in BFA. I am not interested in pointless grinding anymore. Today the grind is designed just to keep you subbed, and they found out really fast people are not that stupid.
This means the problem is upper management. Researchers are collecting evidence to put into a graph chart to validate their assumptions because whoever led BfA has a huge stick up their ass and won't listen to them unless *maybe* they can show statistical significance. It shows just how much the game designers for BfA have little to no experience in building enjoyable gaming experiences--they understand spreadsheets but not humans.
Standard surveys tend to keep the positive answers at the top and negatives on the bottom. The fact that they put the negatives on the top indicates that they already know the answer.
Noticed that as well... if humans are just wet-ware persuadable machines its a good way to direct the answer you want. So is this meant to be a weapon to shake up the politics/direction at Blizzard?
Call me a cynic, but I think the only reason this is being sent out is A) sub numbers are dropping far faster than predicted B) the cash shop isn't making enough money Or C) all of the above. I'm going with c. He'll, I wouldn't be surprised if there are currently 1 mil subs active.
@Lady Wanderer finally, someone else who sees it the way I do. They've been in the mindset of "you'll play the way we want you to and like it" since mop. Started with talents, then in WoD they didn't like people switching talents on the fly in raid, which is basically what they said they wanted people to be doing, so they changed that. That's just what I can think of off the top of my head.
It's cynical of them to turn Warcraft into a cash cow. Cynical to add a cash shop to a game that already has a F'ing sub fee, and costs money just to install. So some Activison CEO and shareholder can buy another F'ing yacht together.
I think the classes they meant races. I mostly find the rep grind one thing and one thing a lone, a cash grab. I would totally get having to complete the Nightborne story, or the Zandalar story, to unlock them. If you want to unlock the race you'd want to learn about them and their backstory, get a feel for that races place in WoW lore, past, present and future. But to have to mindlessly grind limited daily world quests over and over? I'm sorry that's nothing but a "give us more money while you do this"
I actually think they may have meant the leveling, as in classes are only really "unlocked" at max level or close to it, and leveling has been shit for a long time. This is also why I think the WoW team had nothing to do with this survey, since some weird terminology is used.
Classes are not fun to play anymore. I leveled 2 warlocks 110-120 (one as affliction and one as demo) and one hunter 110-114 before unsubscribing. It was torture of endless chores while your character going down with each level.
Exactly. Everything is a damn grind. I understand grinding for gear or for mounts. But when you log in just to grind for everything even to get the new races it becomes more like homework then having fun. I stopped playing 2 weeks ago. No point. I'm not sure where blizz is going with the game but it's very sad. It was such an amazing game.
@@gloria5910 Exalted with Zandalar, Friendly with Voldunai and Talanji's Expedition (to unlock world quests), 7.5k honored with honorbound (in order to finish the war campaign quests) and the war campaign completed. That's 67,500 total rep + completing the war campaign JUST to unlock a race???
I got the survey, I am basicly on the "there's a lot of stuff wrong, but if you fix it I come back" side. My main problem... I'm somewhat of an actual roleplayer, I just wanted to play a Zandalari Troll. Played BfA, unlocked exalted with the Zandalari, thinking soon I could create one... but no... and we still have absolutely no idea when (if?) they will be available. They advertised them, even on the box, but they are not actually in the game. That's false advertisement and I feel mislead...
@Emerin Exactly this, I wanted to play something else (a warlock instead of warrior), I only went as far in the story as I guessed would be needed for unlocking the Zandalari... I think they will announce them at Blizzcon, but that would be just too late. If they get released directly after Blizzcon I might find it a slightly acceptable release time for them. Right now... I guess I'll play them next expansion, they might release in 9.0?
@Rens Gervers: Ditto even before BfA went live...they hyped it up and I was excited then when it went live not available. I was ready to do the monotous and tedious requirements to the "gated races". Now watching this has made me lost the desire and unsubbed.
Its fantastic that theyre actually attempting to reach out for feedback now. Over the past few years theyve been talking about changing the way players give feedback rather than just using the fourms, and this might be it.
Circumstance creates the necessity, players always asked Blizzard to listen the feedback but Blizzard always discarded it, until now, meaning that it finally hit them where it hurts, into their bank account.
every time anyone dares to dislike the game, the thread gets dumped with panda lovers "if you dont like it, leave" and eventually closed for any reason like "it was discussed 3 years ago, now stop whining, closed"
I had these dumb questions every time i unsubbed during bc and wotlk none were addressed, its a system generated rubbish survey to try and give the thouught thet there listening to you. Unfortunatly they dont or they would have addressed them 4 expansions ago.
@@BalosWarlock Nah companies are run by money, now lets be honest Blizzard had a stable subscription of 3-4 million of players, even during WoD, but problem is I guess they have grown up and new players who are coming of age and going into gaming you can bet that they are not into MMOs but more into instant gratification games(Twithc numbers say everything about this), so because of that stable sub numbers Blizzard has gotten lazy and they could afford to half-ass their games, now finally (I hope at least) they will become proactive again and invest some real effort into WoW again.
dont forget the MC in the back saying "yeah dude that video was all true, we should do our own survey where everyone who wants in has to subscribe with twitch prime"
I think what finally got me to permanently give up on WoW was when I hit 120 and still had a lot of quests to do. When you are no longer being rewarded XP, you start to judge a quest (and the game in general) purely on its own merit...or lack thereof. And I came to the realization that WoW is boring as hell. It has very little in the way of dynamic multiplayer experiences that can give an MMO longevity. All you do are solo quests, most of which are total crap (and the good ones become dull by your 1st alt), and static multiplayer scenarios for incrementally better RNG gear until the expansion ends. That's it. That's all there really is. The players don't get to build anything together. Sure they can band together and help each other in their endless search for incrementally better gear, but that's it. The players aren't really doing anything for each other, for the game. There is no community, no history. Just a clean slate each expansion and a mediocre story to explain why you are starting your incremental gear grind all over again for the 9th time. The player has no impact on the world, or other players. Nothing matters. I see now that World of Warcraft fundamentally approaches an MMO as if it is a cross between a horrible a solo-RPG with drop-in coop and a broken slot machine, and it SUCKS. MMOs need to seriously reconsider how they operate, and put the game more in the hands of the players. If I am on a server with 10,000 people, I want that server, and those specific players to actually be unique and to have a rich history. And WoW isn't that at all.
Any game that is made by blizz, Bethesda or amy game company needs to do this. They dont stay a company cause of doing what they want. They stay a company cause they listen to thier player base. Blizz lost touch of this. When they let activsion. Buy them out. THAT right thier was thier down fall. Saw this coming when the announcement was made.
I’m still subbed but only because I didn’t catch it in time but: I don’t like the lack of tier sets I don’t like the loss of artefacts I don’t like how my main plays anymore (warlock) I don’t like the Azerite system I don’t like the faction war story I don’t like I can’t transmog my artefact onto a flipping wand I don’t like that my class feels dependant in a 3 minute CD to feel remotely powerful (Darkglare) I don’t like feeling I’m carried through trash and worrying I’m gonna get kicked from a PUG for slacking on AOE on trash I did like that leggos changed the way I played I did like a progression system with artefacts I did like tier sets I did like the mage tower and the unique appearances I do like old gods and titans I do like morally grey as opposed to black and white, good evil I do like class fantasy I also like Millennium Flalcon 😂😂
Richy Sixx I main a frost DK and love it to death since I started in pandria (not important buttt....) it is so slow and it is so bad, the expansion now feels like I’m back in WoD, there are some things I like but it is out weighted by what I don’t like.
WoW is dying cuz the WoW community is full of pieces of shit. Its not a "community" its just a congregation of toxic assholes. More ppl are waking up to this fact. Its just not fun to play an mmo when 75% of the ppl u run into are dickbags.
This was the exact same email I got recently! I filled it out quite a bit with lots of points on why the game is terrible now. Hopefully they act on these surveys and feedback to improve the game
@@khansterbeam95 it offers the freedom of a mmo which it should. This grindy Time gated shit is no fun at all. Hate being kicked Off my mount by a boar even though you were travelling on a walkway. Hate getting Struck at a little Root. Flying for Gold and a fully levelled Char.
@@khansterbeam95 i Think the flying Problem was very well solved in mop. By far one of the most immersive xpacs aside of wrath. I dont know why i should Level up multiple chars without being able to fly around zones which i didnt like with my Main. I have wod and legion pathfinder achievement unlocked as soon as the timegates opened. Right now got not one of the steps because i have to puke when i think about it. And when you say immersion i always think about elwynn Forest or feralas. With extreme high trees which dont disturb your view. I dont want to ride or run there again because i know what is there. I want to feel like i actually am some kind of reaaally strong warrior who owns that place flying on my ashes of alar tlpd or invincible as long as i am max Level. This is immersive to me. Being max level getting ONLY stronger maw down mobs which hurt me in the beginning i mean come on de defeated kiljaeden the lich king two old gods and so on... Flying at max level without being dragged to the ground for Time reasons is quiet essential.
@@khansterbeam95 I found that most of the no flying people on the GD forum didn't have even a quarter of the Exploration and Loremaster achievements that we pro flyers have. Nor did they usually have 20k achievement points, which means we play many aspects of the game that they didn't. Do you have all of the Exploration and Loremaster achieves? (I'm missing old world Loremaster because they keep moving the goal posts, but have every Exploration and the "killing the rares" achieves through Legion, if memory serves me.) I love to fly because I'm the one in control. And until the after-7.3.5-hotfix got rid of it, I used to stop to help lowbies often, especially when they were killing rares. (You can't do that now because if you help anyone 10 levels lower, it'll destroy the XP that they'd have gotten had you not helped.)
@@ruf1o2o you are so wrong. As someone who want to hold customers you need to do surveys to hold em and improve stuff. If they quit its nearly Impossible to get them back.
My biggest gripe is simply the walls of reputation grind blocking the storyline. I like the story, and I like the new zones. The azerite gear is boring and a pointless grind. The RNG for other gear is meh. But I probably won't finish the storylines because I get near the end and then get too bored of rinse-and-repeat rep grind content. In earlier expansions (Cataclysm and prior), I'd do professions, but those are pointless now too. Stop catering to endgame instance people ONLY. You guys have an immense world, beautifully done. You have a unique IP with lots of depth. Give people reasons to be out in the world exploring, rather than zipping between map pins and instances for rewards. Maybe force the design team to go play a few single player RPG's so they remember how it feels to be immersed in a game world again.
This looks to me like an outside consulting company has been hired to figure out what is going wrong. With a little bit of research they knew what questions to ask so that they could take in solid numbers to show the fancy suits why the numbers are probably mostly opposite of projections. I don't think bliz has people in their own office with the stomach to put together a form like that. Also good job on instructing the mindless drooling player base on how to fill out the form correctly. The average IQ of these people is probably low enough that this would probably be a big help. Too bad close to none of them will watch this before filling out the form.
I went back to SWTOR ^^. Just for the story, rolled a new Sith Warrior and playing it now for the storyline. Going to stop before the expansions with the corridors and the skytroopers, which is shit. I love the classic SWTOR. My main in BFA is maxed rep and I can no longer stomach any more WQs on my 47 (!) alts. Got 14 to 120, that's enough. Delete scaling, delete RNG, remove GCD, enable professions, which are shait atm, and again make us gods at max level. That is WHY we level Blizzard, not this scaling crap negating any gear advances with heavier resistance. Enable heirlooms to go to 120 and give us back more xp from dungeons etc. AND, there is a reason I got all these dragons in my collection, I want to be flying. No more wading through all the adds on the cluttered ground. Enough!!!!
Why I don't like BFA? The game have been just more of the same with every xpac since they took away talent trees. I was very excited to play BFA I thought things would be different but once you get past the wrapping and the bow, it is the same piece of poop underneath. In a game where we pay so much for EVERYTHING we should at least be able to play the classes our way and not have one cookie cutter build that blizzard forces you to play, the profession system is a joke, every time we get something fun like a glad stance warrior or when the best thing you can have equipped is something you made or when you can pick and choose from 3 talent trees and build your toon your way and it's still viable for all content, Blizzard takes all that away and make Us the people PAYING them play how they want. I like questing, mythic + and PVP, questing right now is stale and boring you can only complete a quest one way there is no other options no choices to make just the same thing over and over. The mythic + reward system changed you get less while the dungeons get harder and PVP is an unbalanced joke where 3 classes my reign supreme. Blizzard do so many things right, I think they have some of the best writers they can really developed a character and make you fall in love with them but they have been on top for so long and we have made them so rich they think they have all the answers when all they do now is constantly step on their own toes and get on their own way and ruin OUR game ...and it is our game we pay for everything thing and if we all ask for change and stop playing/paying until such changes happen they would have no (choice) but to listen.
Further proof to me Blizzard as we knew it an liked it is DEAD. Wake up people EVERY Blizzard founder is now gone.... EVERY Wow founder is gone............. This is now just another greedy publisher company doing the absolute least for the most $ no one high up is a gamer ..... you could not put out BFA with all its boring content an be a actual gamer. Go to ESO go to FF14 hell go read a book... your better off out of BFA and most likely wow from now on.
@Martin Cepek oh i can make a fuckin grocery list but my biggest thing is the removal of "superfluous" abilities, you just know they are taking steps to make it mobile friendly with how few skills are left because the point of having so many abilities was to give you a tool kit where not EVERYTHING was for combat some things were just quality of life abilities that only your class could do and it added depth, and to keep it short with the two biggest issues they also removed class quests so you dont feel like you truly 'learn' abilities as you level and progress a good example is the shaman almost all of their utility has been removed because it was seen as unneeded for combat, until i finally gave up i used to shout this to the forum heavens about them 'shamans used to be allies almost brothers to the elements you had to either prove your strength to be worthy enough to control a difficult element such as fire or you made steady friendship with an element like earth, now? now those 'friends' youve turned into beatstick and slaves a shaman who actually acts like this would be stripped of their power and cast out
Hate to say it but squire inc. Destroyed FF when they came out with FFXIII amd honestly they started doing so with FFXII... The real truth is. All games in this new era of gaming will not be the same as they once where. I quit playing any new FF after my experience with 13 way to arcade like.
i was under the impression that Blizzard no longer cares about regaining subscribers instead, they're just all about expansion sales. in this case, the marketing for BFA was a bait and switch. tv commercials, pre-patch... ...all that hype is not representative of the product we played at launch. they done messed up. also, its a shell of a game compared to Legion. Legion was rich in class development and story. BFA is void of it entirely.
So, if people had visited the subreddit, it turns out this is only aimed at US players, maybe EU? Some people have picked thier place of residence, answering places like Italy and that will immediately end the survey for you. Rather questionable. That aside, it still raises the question of 'will Blizzard actually listen?'. I know people will answer 'Yes' considering all the changes that have been happening with 8.1 and all, but that isn't what I'm asking. What I mean is that will they actually understand *why* these things are a problem. *Why* people don't like the systems. Because, quite frankly, it is a bit reasonable to chalk up the current changes as 'Okay look, we're listening, we're doing this instead, are you happy?' and cash in on that bit of goodwill. Add on Ion's lawyer talk, and you've got what can be a convincing enough appearance of 'We're listening and we're taking into consideration what you want'. That's my two cents on this matter, anyway.
Lets see, the warfronts are albiet poorly executes were a great idea. The azerite system is no where near as worth the grind that artifacts were. Could have easily brought the trait tree back instead of coming out with azerite gear. The shittyness of world quests is still a thing Etc. Etc. Ive been playing WoW since wrath so I'd say im a loyal customer at this point, but albiet the changes to classes have made playing them a bit more fun that is not an excuse to have made such poor decisions. Im gonna say it, this expansion is worse than wod. Because within the first month the content was already dry and stale with nothing much left to do. They've already taken away alot of what made WoW fun over the years and to try to appeal to the old style players with talks of going back to the roots only to use that as their gold paint over the shit is completely disrespectful.
Players: "Blizzard, we don't like where you're taking WoW" Blizzard: "Lalala, we can't hear you! We know it best!" ... Blizzard: "Why are you all leaving?"
I believe even the competitive side is gettin quite hard to play, specially m+ where any key between 2 and 8 is a nightmare if you're pugging (which is the fastest method). Dungeons difficulty increased by A LOT this expansion, and besides that we lost A LOT of speed during gameplay with the GCD, people needs to think and know almost everything inside the dungeon to be able to "safely" run the key (without counting the ilvl requirement).. But wait there's a problem, besides raids, people had never encountered in the last expansions, content where teamwork is ESSENTIAL. And m+ NEEDS a lot of teamwork. So for those people that are casual but can actually become potential players in the competitive side of the game without being too "hardcore" like the mythic raids, they'll get discouraged to even try it after trying to pug some keys. That content becomes a quite negative experience for the casuals that are trying to find something harder than island expeditions, world quests or the unlosable warfronts. This actually makes those players see how empty and boring the rest of the content is, at least for those looking for the new content. (Preach posted a video not long ago about this problems, for those interested go watch it).
I wouldn't say dungeons got harder but the players got more casual than ever before. Did a +3 siege with 350 groups and found out 2 dps and healer never did the dungeon before at all or felt the need to tell me (the tank). wiped 11 times on the 1st boss despite explaining the boss over and over again. This group broke the straw on the camels back for me this expansion. Thought to quit after getting the brown skinned orcs but that group broke me.
Well said and so true. Between a portion of the community and blizzard, the game has become a shit storm. There's a reason why having people need to work for the gear was important. They had to actually do the content. They would learn and progress further, learning along the way. The player base has been pandered to and it's caused a dumbing down of the majority of the player base and ruined it for others capable of doing content. Our waters have been polluted.
The only things that they aren't hitting are the only ones that are relevant for me: Simplified character customization/class design/removal of mechanics like snapshotting/powershifting/stance dancing
Hmmm, I left because I was not having fun. You know, fun. That is why I play games, for the amusement factor. Leveled a Horde alt and an Ali alt, then finished leveling one of my new race characters; but when I got her to 110, I just didn't feel compelled to do the BFA content. The new area was not interesting, story content was slow to get to the meat, actually don't really think I really got any meat of the story beyond the initial start of BFA content. When I wanted to play, would log in and just sit there not feeling compelled to go do quest and would log back off. After a month of not wanting to play when logging in and I just logging back off, I started realizing there was nothing compelling about the game play to hook me into the non-stop playing that I did in Legion. Final straw was trying to play my mage that I freshly leveled from where I left her in Legion at 48. GCD ... and crappy performance killed me, always hated running back from a GY since Van; but trying to do some of the level 110 quest with my weakass mage and dying, I just left her at the GY dead, logged and unsubed. I just wasn't having fun, the game play reminded me of why I quit for the 1st time ever, back in Cata. Recently I watched a video about choosing between Sylvanas or that other guy, don't remember his name, we don't talk about that trader or say his name. I so sympathize with The Dark Lady, she has fought for her people for so long, even died over it ( but she got better) and has suffered much. I really fell in love with her when I found and returned her broken locket. Hearing of her need for me to be there for her now ... nearly had me rejoin BFA ... but how long was I going to have to grind to get to that part of the story and tolerate the game play un-fun-ness. Just not enough. The game needs to be fun, the story compelling, my character needs to be and feel really powerful and not need to group or wait in line to do content. I need to feel like a hero and be key to the success of the leaders for which I have allied myself. BFA is the worst, I played WOD through many alts and achievements, even played Cata more, played BFA maybe 1.5 months and several of those weeks I didn't play but maybe 1 day a week. BFA just isn't fun.
Demon Hunters are the only "locked" class as you need a level 70 on the realm you plan on making one, but you get a free 110 boost so it isn't really a problem unless you want to unlock more than 1, even then you can just make a Death Knight and do dungeons for a few hours, it's quite easy.
My experience with WoW: Played it alot back in vanilla before any expansions... i mean alot. Was unable to play for a few years because of life situations. By the point i was able to play again i had no interest. One day i received an email saying blizzard was giving me a free month and a level 80 character if i come back to the game. I said fuck it, a free month and an instant level 80? Guess ill at least log in. logged in on the free level 80, realized how retarded it was to start at level 80. Quit playing. Another expansion came out, figured id try it again. But nope, someone hacked my account during the free month and sold gold on it and i was banned. Was not able to appeal. Thank you blizzard
Here's a proposal - imagine all content post vanilla being exactly the same as vanilla (in terms of difficulty, uniqueness and community immersion). The sub numbers wouldn't have plummeted, though you would still have had the situation where 90% of players never got to see end game content. Understanding more about this is to understand that the levels of dopamine and serotonin in the brain are what leads to a pleasurable wow experience. Modern wow does not (and cannot) cause the same levels of addition, joy and motivation simply because it is not built in a way which affects these neurotransmitters in the same or similar way. Serotonin, which helps us feel sated and contributes to feelings of happiness and well-being, then inhibits the compelling motivation of dopamine. When serotonin levels are low, the motivating effects of dopamine in the brain become amplified. Sound familiar? The usual complaint that 90% of players don't get to see end game content in vanilla translates roughly as: "dopamine levels are very high for prolonged periods of time (grinding/wiping on 5mans etc) and the serotonin release is very gradual and cannot keep players satisfied long enough for them to become bored." It means you'll always have a cohort that will never get to see end game, but they'll always try. I venture to say that this is perfectly fine.
Blizz should kill this title, and make something totaly new and original. This story is boring as f, nothing changed since beginning. Over and over same thing in different textures.
Luv you, Az! I do not always agree on what you are voicing, but I do always enjoy your videos. They way you defend your arguments is one of the main reasons that I keep coming back to see more from you. Keep up the good work of striving to make WoW great for those of us who are new or playing in the mid levels!
You play the game for 4 hours then you have done everything. gcds completely killed fun pvp. I could play for 12 hours a day in wod cause the game was fun no matter how bad the expac was the gameplay was fun and now its boring I also got a survey in legion when i quit playing
What it would take for me to come back to WoW: - **reinstate talent trees - reinstate reforging - remove azurite - remove or greatly reduce the RNG behind gear acquisition back to Wrath/Cata levels - **remove requirement to buy the game/expansions and go solely off of subscription--or visa versa - bring back the old glyph system from pre-MoP days - perform a game wide rebalancing for the open world akin to ESO's One Tamriel (so you can level anywhere you want) - add rebalanced and updated versions of ALL dungeons and raids to end game levels - remove Raid Finder rewards; make it ONLY useful for assembling a raid, not for undermining its difficulty - **remove the cash shop, except for the subscription tokens that people can trade - make all name changes, realm transfers, sex changes, etc free (but it's cool to put a cooldown on them like 2 weeks or something) **These are the most important ones, and the talent trees were the primary reason I permanently unsubbed two weeks after MoP released.
once the horde and alliances made friends like after wrath the whole horde vs alliance part of wow was over and they never should have gone back.. they instead should have created a new faction and allow players to abandon the horde or alliance that basically became one faction for another faction.. that's the ONLY way they could have made it so the faction conflict came back to wow with out it feeling weird or out of place or whatever. but noooooo.. they had to make that stupid ork guy the new bad guy and get all uppety in some old gods butt and shit to force the conflict again.
It's great to see that they are sending surveys out that goes right to the issues. If they want to make the game better they now have actual numbers for the first time that properly reflect people's thoughts on the game instead of just hearing a small percentage of the player base that actually took initiative to voice their concerns.
I tell you AZ that IF they listened to your idea about player housing it would fix professions or at least go a long way toward it. The potential is there. It could make older mats relevant, revive the auction house for finished goods etc. etc. They need to get rid of hydrocore and the gated prof quests in dungeons and increase the yield and rate of Anchor weed, but honestly Blizzard, LISTEN TO AZ!!!! Imagine " shopping " for patterns and decor in old scholo or salvaging furniture in Stratholme? yeah
Id just like to say sir that ive just recently found you and love all your vids. Your humour and personality add such a good layer to your videos and just want too say please never change. Im english also so maby i just enjoy your humour more than others lol but its what seperates your videos from the generic mass out there love it and keep up the hard work mr :)
I've had my wow account since 2006 and I was unsubbed when they went out. didnt receive one, im feeling shit on by blizz and dont want to re sub because of it
I stopped caring about Blizzard the moment Activision stepped in. As a Diablo/WoW fan It's not hard to see all the quick cash grab short-terms practices going on in all their games with the future plans of reselling the same stuff over and over. Blizzard are no longer in control, Most of the staff that we grew up with are no longer works there, they got replaced by Activision new staffs to implement the cash grab tactic in every region. The community voice and feedback no longer shape or fix what's left. You buy the WoW game + Expansions + paying monthly subs + In-Game Services/Shops. Yet your voice are ignored completely cause you're there to get milked. The same with Diablo 3, this thing been dry like the desert waiting for a rain drop. Yet they kept reselling the same game for all consoles and now Mobile. They just don't care as long as they keep getting money.
I find it interesting that Blizzard changed the order of the responses when asking if the player would return. Prior to that, the top answers were negative, while the top answers on that question are positive, and the "neither unlikely or likely" is at the bottom. It appears that they are putting the answers up top that they expect people to select more often.
I want flying back with no restrictions/quests. I want my character to feel like the old ones, not castratio. I don’t want to be “the hero” anymore. Quit making the areas smaller and smaller. Don’t release a new beta and forget the actual game and leave us with nothing. Put back the REAL CINEMATICS. I almost cried when I saw the lazy story board cinematics, especially the burning of Teddressal (sp), so try, like you did with the warrior cinematic, again. Don’t run us to endgame, make the journey fun, long, and somewhat difficult. That would be a start. My vision comes from a subscriber who played the beta and subbed since the beginning, but no longer plays.
Interesting different between WoD and BfA: Blizzard knew right way that WoD was a turd and tried to wrap it up as quickly as they could. I remember Blizzard constantly mentioning "the next expansion" during the press cycle of WoD, as if ensuring people there'd be a light at the end of the tunnel. With BfA Blizzard seems genuinely blindsided by the negative reception. They clearly have a full patch cycle planned for it like they did Legion and are scrambling to find out why people don't want to stick around for it this time.
I'm wondering if it has to do with the CMs not letting them know what the forums were really saying. Lore - I think it was - said something to the effect of the CMs didn't think it important enough to let the devs know that there was perceived Horde bias, so the devs were blindsided when they/someone wore a Horde t-shirt after so much "for the Horde!" happened. Because of that, it's got me thinking that the CMs haven't been doing their jobs well, or that they have their own agenda on how they want the game to be, so they've been leaving out a lot of stuff for the devs to know. It really surprised me to think that the devs don't spend 10 minutes a day every morning checking to see what the latest outrage is on the various WoW forums, in order to see how things are going. I agree that this time around it's pretty baffling the way the devs seem to not know how bad the azurite system is, et cetera. It's not like people weren't telling them in alpha, beta, and the PTR. I think Lore is wrong and the devs were ignoring the feedback - not disagreeing with it, as he said.
If you get the survey, when responding the "very unlikely, somewhat unlikely" questions, pick the first or the last one. Gray responses like "maybe" don't matter.
I wonder if someone above Ion put this survey out because it is so transparent and unbiased in its questions, I can't see Ion asking these same questions if it was up to him to make the choices. This is laid out more like a survey from (for example) Best Buy or Walmart (or other big name corporation). I noticed the name of the company that made the survey at the bottom and found it odd because I would expect that Blizz is capable enough of making their own survey, but all the choices you get to select are so specific that I've seen each one pop up in the forums at some point or another and watched Az talk about. I've worked retail enough to notice patterns in surveys and questions asked and this is a lot different than an "in house" created survey.
I had a similar e-mail survey like this back in the middle of Legion. It just asked How satisfied are you with WoW. Then it went in depth asking me what other MMOs/Games I played.
I hate Bfa. I took no pleasure at all in unsubbing from WoW but Bfa did absolutely *everything* wrong and that sub is the only power we have to tell them so. it has tedious content, slot machine rewards, generic classes, grindy pointless professions, no world challenges and is stuffed with the worst of mobile mini-games.
It has always asked you for your reason for cancelling. When I cancelled all 3 of my accounts one time years ago, I put in the reason box that I didn't like the newly added repair costs because as a casual I felt like I spent all week grinding away trying to make enough gold just so I could pay for my repairs for raiding on the weekend, it felt like a job, and I already had one of those. When I finally came back, repairs seemed insignificant. So I assumed they must have addressed it to some degree.
Entire questionnaire put in "Did you stop playing because of BfA? Tick yes/no (other reasons)", also that list of BfA fails they made is pretty hilarious.
They ignored the negative feedback at every turn, then they send us surveys asking for more? But then the survey basically lists all the negative feedback we gave them? This whole thing is really strange. If anything, they need to send this survey to ALL PLAYERS, not just ones who unsubbed, then actually read them and fix the game.
I bet what finally convinced blizzard internally was the fact of how much hype classic has right now over BFA. The reasoning being that if that many people are excited for a classic experience why are they not excited for BFA if it's supposedly better.
Strange that they ordered the answers the way they did. I know that generally you put the answers in the order you want people to respond as some people will just pick the top answers.
It's not just BFA it's the service. WOW could care less about the players. Just have a bug or in game issues and see how they blame you and fix nothing.
1. No exploring and discovering things on our own. Everything is guided. This made BFA easy to complete. 2. Still grinding for rep in order to fly. 3. Professions are not rewarding. I honestly believe the best items in the game should come from professions, and second best from rare drops. Mediocre items from vendors. 4. PvP isn't what it used to be. In Vanilla, the lands between the two factions were separated and you couldn't just easily walk into the other factions lands. Integration occurred around lvl 30 in places like Stranglethorn Vale. Keeping the PvP alive in the world, but keeping distance between the factions, helped keep players safe from ganking. If they had implemented a punishment system to stop players from ganking lowbies, that would have worked, too. But instead, they integrated all lands so both factions shared cities and questing lands, and did absolutely nothing about how easy this made it for others to gank lowbies. 5. no freedom for class customization! By gawd, I hate these stupid forced specializations. 6. No progression of skills like in Vanilla. If I want to get good at daggers, and I'm a mage, my character should be allowed to use a damn dagger and level that thing up! That's pretty much how things work in real life. I want to get good at knitting and I am a pro-football players, I pick up some needles and start practicing!
I heard Az did the BfA salt run in less than 12 parsecs.
she's fast enough for you old man
That is imposible, no one can do the salt run in less than 12 parsecs.
@@Kazaki000 Oh yeah... Hold my beer!
is that like under 17 minutes
He did the Salt run in less than twelve dickbags.
Seeing what's listed on this survey ... It's almost like they actually know what their issues are.....
My thoughts exactly. And the really awkward moment when Blizz discusses the azerite system and says "unfortunately thats the way it works" as if they have no control over it. What a weird thing to say about a product you created and delivered. I mean who is signing off on these systems if Ion and Lore are admitting the system has flaws...
I disagree, to me it seems more they are just listing the things people from other videos and highlighted reddit threads and forum posts have talked about, so they are trying to get a % on what people agree or disagree with those opinions.
They should poll the current players if they want an accurate opinion lol
That's because they KNOW, they've ALWAYS known. These companies ALWAYS know what their issues are and why people leave their game, they simply don't bother to do shit.
feels like the email is just to remind people that bfa is there, they probably still don't give a fuck about what u want.
The issue is they lost the
WORLD
then the
WARCRAFT
and was only left with the
OF
-OF WHAT?!
me: "yes"
and if you move the F infront of the O you get a "friendly" abreviation from ActiVisionBlizzard
OOF
removal of tier sets
non interesting rewards
azerite
raid progression is non existent (wanna progress through raids not difficulties)
lfr removing mystique of new raids
titanforging
professions no longer rewarding
no long term goals to work towards
no super rare exclusive items or areas to work towards
patches make the previous raid tiers COMPLETELY obsolete
Your post doesnt get enough upvotes, so true.
Your comment feels like it's contradicting itself all over the place. How can you complain about a lack of raid progression and complain about LFR in the same post? First, progression raiders don't do LFR (unless they just want to pick up some augment runes). Second, LFR doesn't come out until most guilds have already completed a raid on Normal difficulty so it in no way kills the "mystique." You then complain that new patches make previous raid tiers completely obsolete. But I get the sense that if the gear that drops in the new raid wasn't head and shoulders above the gear from Uldir you'd be pissed about the lack of character progression. No long term goals to work towards? How about gaining exalted reputation with every faction, rare mounts/pets/toys/transmog, achievement hunting? Oh, that's right, you probably burned yourself out completing all of that in 2 months didn't you?
@@connman8d617 seeing Rag for the first time after weeks of progression vs seeing rag 3 times in the first week or two and then a 4th after a couple months. They don"t compare. As I stated above Id rather progress raids and not difficulties. It's a matter of visual progression not just item level
personally with LFR i think it could probably use some changes but it shouldnt be removed
LFR allows everyone to finish the story of an expansion/expansion update, if it wasnt for LFR lots of people would be left without an ending to a story, like the zandalar story, or the suramar story, theyde have to go and look it up on youtube or something to see how it ends, and no game should be like that, everyone should be able to play through a games/expansions/updates ending
im not sure what can be done to change LFR to something people are happy with though, cause ive never really had a problem with it because thats how ive always viewed it, and im not someone who only raids LFR, ive done normals and heroics, plus ive always thought of it like "because its an easier version of the raid, being easier than the normal difficulty, isnt it what it should be? the weakest versions of the raid rewards and none of the special rewards like mounts and no achievements with mount rewards", plus, it can be seen as "training", not all the mechanics are there, but the basic ones are there for people to learn so that when they go into the normal mode and higher they have a basic understanding of what to do, while still going through the process of learning other mechanics, there would just be less to learn, or less for the others in the raid to teach them
I think if difficulty has to be taken down to the point where it's a no lose condition, you shouldn't be seeing very end end content. When theres no lose condition it ceases to be a game. Normal is easy enough for anyone to get through already. If you do have trouble with it, then you now have a long term goal instead of having it spoonfed to you in lfr. Getting to jump straight to the final boss of an expansion not long after hitting cap, and killing him without ever having to speak to another player is NOT healthy for an mmo
Nixxiom said it best:
"In WoD, people left because there was nothing to do.
In BfA, people leave because of the friction of playing the game."
That, my friends, is the truth.
WoD had great environments, great questing, great dungeons, great raids... but simply not enough of them (selfie-cam patch, anyone?).
BFA is simply a gentle kick in the balls every time you log in.
-Work your ass off in Mythic+? Congrats, the item that drops is a downgrade.
-Looking forward to playing [insert your class here]? Congrats, it's been simplified down to boringness.
-Wanna do some epic content? Congrats, Warfronts and world quests and island expeditions.
-Wanna try a new allied race? Congrats, grind a toon to 120, then grind out the relative faction rep to exalted, then grind an entirely new character up from level 1... all while your friends are doing the end-game content.
DangerWW you mean lvl 20
@@Robin...222 you're right, huge difference.
DangerWW yup 19 lvls
@@Robin...222 only 100 to go.
DangerWW yup and not 119
i can tell the diff between wod and bfa
i actually logged in for wod
That's BS.
'Draenor is better than BFA' gtfo.
Wod atleast had pvp gear vendors and currencies for sets :’( and nice story
Wod had wod ret ;-;
WoD was incredible until it wasn't. The first 2 months of WoD I felt like it was one of the best xpacs ever. Then my computer blew up and I couldn't play for like 8 months. When I came back I was stunned to find out that not much new content had been added over those 8 months.
@@connman8d617 Wod got fucked by being developed side by side with legion, if they went with the normal 2 year cadence wod could've been one of the better expansions.
just unsubbed after about 11 years the games has changed so much its not an RPG anymore its a slot machine where the drops don't mean anything not going to lie was hard giving up all the mounts and other things I've got over the years but fuck it wait for classic and start all over again
Yep, waiting impatiently for Classic! My husband and I unsubbed after only two weeks in BFA (not even in WoD did we unsub that early). Totally on rails xpac..hate it. Miss making my own adventures...not worrying about having to do my emissaries, WQ's, weekly M+ or I'm missing out on stuff.
scrumpyjobe did you give your gold away ? I’m asking because if you didn’t then you’ll be back just like me . It’s a drug and you’ll need help to avoid the world of warcrack
yeah i doubt that's going to be great, the community has changed vastly since the O'l Barrens chat...this will deffo not be the same experience
@@marlonpark I don't think many are expecting it to be the same experience. They are expecting it to be a far better one then current Wow. And they are correct. Even "Not that great" far surpasses current live servers which the thought of logging in makes me disgusted.
just like me man, cya in Classic bro/sis
Like this comment if you "liked" the video purely on the opening sequence?
lol
I have the same millenium falcon can send you a picture if you want
amazing intro!
"Killed another dickbag" lmfao az you're too much
Turn on closed captions for the outtake, Original 1977 Millennium Flower!
They should have "done something" months ago. Their apathy towards their players' suggestions is not going to end well. I know many players who were staunch, hard-core loyal fans of wow that have just completely lost interest.
Agreed. The only reason they're doing this is because the sub numbers were allegedly leaked and the stock took a hit, from what I read. I don't think the current devs care one bit that so many people have left since they haven't changed course and they've lost 65% of the player base since WoD. (10 million at WoD launch vs 3.4 million people for BfA.)
I unsubbed today.. I've been playing since the second month of vanilla.
I'm very proud of the weapons that I have that are no longer in the game but I have then... like benediction and such.
I've also been invited to every beta since MOP. I give my concerns, I offer ways that they can improve.. and for the most part the concerns are addressed in beta or within the first few weeks of launch.
This beta however.. it felt like blizz did not care about anything. The beta forums were very active and there is a difference in the way someone feels when you ignore them... and when a blue post says things that are a nicer way of saying, "you're doing it wrong" "you just don't understand" or "that's the way it's going to be" "just deal with it."
The beta forums made me feel like blizz gave us the big middle finger, with glow in the dark paint so we couldn't miss it.
And then the Q&As we ever more patronizing. How hard is it to say, we hear your concerns and we are working on a fix that won't break the game?
Instead we got the same craps the blue posts gave us in the beta forums.
I remember many years ago a blue told me that if you post a problem on the forums with no solution and that is all negative the devs will pay it no mind. So I made sure to always try to put a solution to the problem in my threads.
But at a certain point, this is blizz game, we shouldn't have to tell them a solution to a problem they created. They have all these high paid teams working on this game and they couldn't figure this out?
Enough ranting... I'm done
Exactly this. Also, Benediction for life :)
Damn, what a trooper. I quit back around the time they reduced the number of classes to 4. (Tank, Heal, Ranged and Melee dps)
I feel you, just unsubbed myself. It's like they are taking lessons from EA on how to be corporate assholes.
It's probably bad lead developers. Each head is just someone that has to work there, just because you have the most developers, programmers, doesn't mean they'll each take their own decisions and do whatever in those offices.
they should still listen to developers' ideas, if they had ideas of improvements. If they did the exact opposite of that and went full pride, all ears shut, then I'm not surprised by the result and I don't fucking care if WoW hurts because of it, because nothing is above good practice.
Don't sweat it man. Unsub and try a different hobby or game for a while. If they get things together and make the game fun again you can always resub at that point without having missed anything! Personally I've been enjoying dark souls remastered :) cheers!
It'll be interesting to see what Blizzard decided to do. The game is just not fun anymore. Everything feels like a grind or time-gated to keep you subbing. That's very disappointing.
brothertim the game has always been grindy? There is also a complaint that’s kind of the opposite of this in that the game is no longer grindy enough.
It's grindy but it's grindy for nothing, a few expansions ago putting in time meant you eventually get a reward, now its uncertain
Look at the allied races, for example. Let's say someone saw the advertisements that there are new allied races, and wanted to come back to the game to play them (there are plenty of cases of this), let's just say Void Elves. Blizzard completely misled them by downplaying the unlock requirements "ALLIED RACES - Venture forth as one of the new playable Allied Races in Battle for Azeroth. Earn the respect of and you'll unlock the ability to create new prestige characters of that race." "Earn the respect of ____" doesn't really explain to a newcomer what it really entails, which is "Create a character of the race you don't want to play, level all the way up, grind to exalted on previous expansion content (which can take several weeks), unlock the race, then level all the way back to 110 again to do BfA content".
I can understand a rep requirement in the BfA pre-release, as a way to incentivize current players to get the races early. But that rep requirement should've been removed at launch for Legion reps. Only allied races that should still be rep-locked are the Dark Iron Dwarves and the Mag'Har Orcs.
This is just one example of shit being grindy just to keep people subbing and not to feel a sense of achievement.
atleast in vanilla you basicly had a goal, at the current wow… well, u just dont xD ...
@@MrArlen94 If you have to grind it should be for a damn good reason. WotLK did it right, you grinded hard you got the Helm Enchant which could only be gotten through that grind. I am sick of the AP grind. I hated it in Legion and all they did is bring the worst parts of Legion and drop them in BFA. I am not interested in pointless grinding anymore. Today the grind is designed just to keep you subbed, and they found out really fast people are not that stupid.
according to the questionnaire I guess they already know what the main problems are lol
This means the problem is upper management. Researchers are collecting evidence to put into a graph chart to validate their assumptions because whoever led BfA has a huge stick up their ass and won't listen to them unless *maybe* they can show statistical significance. It shows just how much the game designers for BfA have little to no experience in building enjoyable gaming experiences--they understand spreadsheets but not humans.
"Why you no like BFA?"
*points at the azerite system*
points at the Titanforging system
@@sockembopperify I forgot about that one.
*POINTING AT PROFESSIONS*
points at class balance.
points at story line & quests....
Standard surveys tend to keep the positive answers at the top and negatives on the bottom. The fact that they put the negatives on the top indicates that they already know the answer.
****x-files music plays***
Noticed that as well... if humans are just wet-ware persuadable machines its a good way to direct the answer you want. So is this meant to be a weapon to shake up the politics/direction at Blizzard?
"y u no like bfa?"
becuz it suk :(
I unsubbed almost a month ago. No survey =/. I've been subbed for about 12 years.
been subbed since 2004 without ever lapsing. cancelled 3 weeks after bfa...no survey.
I think you don't get any if you sub via game tokens
ditto
Was subbed for 13 years plus with no breaks no survey im sensing a pattern here
Subbed for 12 years. Unsubbed a month ago also no survey.
I got the survey a few days ago. There should be polls in the game/launcher at all times for real feedback.
But then they can't implement greedy timsink practices and claim it's what players want.
Blade & Soul actually does that affect you reach certain milestones through leveling and after you reach certain milestones on max-level.
Call me a cynic, but I think the only reason this is being sent out is
A) sub numbers are dropping far faster than predicted
B) the cash shop isn't making enough money
Or C) all of the above.
I'm going with c. He'll, I wouldn't be surprised if there are currently 1 mil subs active.
@Lady Wanderer finally, someone else who sees it the way I do. They've been in the mindset of "you'll play the way we want you to and like it" since mop. Started with talents, then in WoD they didn't like people switching talents on the fly in raid, which is basically what they said they wanted people to be doing, so they changed that.
That's just what I can think of off the top of my head.
It's cynical of them to turn Warcraft into a cash cow.
Cynical to add a cash shop to a game that already has a F'ing sub fee, and costs money just to install. So some Activison CEO and shareholder can buy another F'ing yacht together.
@Lady Wanderer blizz has been that way for years dude.
I think the classes they meant races. I mostly find the rep grind one thing and one thing a lone, a cash grab.
I would totally get having to complete the Nightborne story, or the Zandalar story, to unlock them. If you want to unlock the race you'd want to learn about them and their backstory, get a feel for that races place in WoW lore, past, present and future. But to have to mindlessly grind limited daily world quests over and over? I'm sorry that's nothing but a "give us more money while you do this"
I actually think they may have meant the leveling, as in classes are only really "unlocked" at max level or close to it, and leveling has been shit for a long time. This is also why I think the WoW team had nothing to do with this survey, since some weird terminology is used.
Classes are not fun to play anymore. I leveled 2 warlocks 110-120 (one as affliction and one as demo) and one hunter 110-114 before unsubscribing. It was torture of endless chores while your character going down with each level.
Exactly. Everything is a damn grind. I understand grinding for gear or for mounts. But when you log in just to grind for everything even to get the new races it becomes more like homework then having fun. I stopped playing 2 weeks ago. No point. I'm not sure where blizz is going with the game but it's very sad. It was such an amazing game.
@@gloria5910 Exalted with Zandalar, Friendly with Voldunai and Talanji's Expedition (to unlock world quests), 7.5k honored with honorbound (in order to finish the war campaign quests) and the war campaign completed. That's 67,500 total rep + completing the war campaign JUST to unlock a race???
Grind is good but to much RNG SUCKS
I got the survey, I am basicly on the "there's a lot of stuff wrong, but if you fix it I come back" side.
My main problem... I'm somewhat of an actual roleplayer, I just wanted to play a Zandalari Troll. Played BfA, unlocked exalted with the Zandalari, thinking soon I could create one... but no... and we still have absolutely no idea when (if?) they will be available.
They advertised them, even on the box, but they are not actually in the game. That's false advertisement and I feel mislead...
@Emerin Exactly this, I wanted to play something else (a warlock instead of warrior), I only went as far in the story as I guessed would be needed for unlocking the Zandalari...
I think they will announce them at Blizzcon, but that would be just too late. If they get released directly after Blizzcon I might find it a slightly acceptable release time for them.
Right now... I guess I'll play them next expansion, they might release in 9.0?
@Rens Gervers: Ditto even before BfA went live...they hyped it up and I was excited then when it went live not available. I was ready to do the monotous and tedious requirements to the "gated races". Now watching this has made me lost the desire and unsubbed.
Its fantastic that theyre actually attempting to reach out for feedback now. Over the past few years theyve been talking about changing the way players give feedback rather than just using the fourms, and this might be it.
Circumstance creates the necessity, players always asked Blizzard to listen the feedback but Blizzard always discarded it, until now, meaning that it finally hit them where it hurts, into their bank account.
every time anyone dares to dislike the game, the thread gets dumped with panda lovers "if you dont like it, leave" and eventually closed for any reason like "it was discussed 3 years ago, now stop whining, closed"
I had these dumb questions every time i unsubbed during bc and wotlk none were addressed, its a system generated rubbish survey to try and give the thouught thet there listening to you.
Unfortunatly they dont or they would have addressed them 4 expansions ago.
@@BalosWarlock Nah companies are run by money, now lets be honest Blizzard had a stable subscription of 3-4 million of players, even during WoD, but problem is I guess they have grown up and new players who are coming of age and going into gaming you can bet that they are not into MMOs but more into instant gratification games(Twithc numbers say everything about this), so because of that stable sub numbers Blizzard has gotten lazy and they could afford to half-ass their games, now finally (I hope at least) they will become proactive again and invest some real effort into WoW again.
That is desperation, noting more, nothing less. Anyway, BfA is BEYOND fixing. The only fix it will be the next expansion.
I can hear "it's ya boi" echoing through time and space...
and starscream's for megatron
he reacted to the reddit thread so I doubt he will react to a video with no new information
And 1 hour about titanforging and how bad it is.
dont forget the MC in the back saying "yeah dude that video was all true, we should do our own survey where everyone who wants in has to subscribe with twitch prime"
I think what finally got me to permanently give up on WoW was when I hit 120 and still had a lot of quests to do. When you are no longer being rewarded XP, you start to judge a quest (and the game in general) purely on its own merit...or lack thereof. And I came to the realization that WoW is boring as hell. It has very little in the way of dynamic multiplayer experiences that can give an MMO longevity. All you do are solo quests, most of which are total crap (and the good ones become dull by your 1st alt), and static multiplayer scenarios for incrementally better RNG gear until the expansion ends. That's it. That's all there really is. The players don't get to build anything together. Sure they can band together and help each other in their endless search for incrementally better gear, but that's it. The players aren't really doing anything for each other, for the game. There is no community, no history. Just a clean slate each expansion and a mediocre story to explain why you are starting your incremental gear grind all over again for the 9th time. The player has no impact on the world, or other players. Nothing matters. I see now that World of Warcraft fundamentally approaches an MMO as if it is a cross between a horrible a solo-RPG with drop-in coop and a broken slot machine, and it SUCKS. MMOs need to seriously reconsider how they operate, and put the game more in the hands of the players. If I am on a server with 10,000 people, I want that server, and those specific players to actually be unique and to have a rich history. And WoW isn't that at all.
Played since vanilla, the worst time I in the game for me was when I played with other players.
even leveling i could see some issue one place that is boring to do is zuldazar you literaly only kill and collect stuff
Any game that is made by blizz, Bethesda or amy game company needs to do this. They dont stay a company cause of doing what they want. They stay a company cause they listen to thier player base. Blizz lost touch of this. When they let activsion. Buy them out. THAT right thier was thier down fall. Saw this coming when the announcement was made.
I’m still subbed but only because I didn’t catch it in time but:
I don’t like the lack of tier sets
I don’t like the loss of artefacts
I don’t like how my main plays anymore (warlock)
I don’t like the Azerite system
I don’t like the faction war story
I don’t like I can’t transmog my artefact onto a flipping wand
I don’t like that my class feels dependant in a 3 minute CD to feel remotely powerful (Darkglare)
I don’t like feeling I’m carried through trash and worrying I’m gonna get kicked from a PUG for slacking on AOE on trash
I did like that leggos changed the way I played
I did like a progression system with artefacts
I did like tier sets
I did like the mage tower and the unique appearances
I do like old gods and titans
I do like morally grey as opposed to black and white, good evil
I do like class fantasy
I also like Millennium Flalcon 😂😂
Richy Sixx I main a frost DK and love it to death since I started in pandria (not important buttt....) it is so slow and it is so bad, the expansion now feels like I’m back in WoD, there are some things I like but it is out weighted by what I don’t like.
WoW is dying cuz the WoW community is full of pieces of shit. Its not a "community" its just a congregation of toxic assholes. More ppl are waking up to this fact. Its just not fun to play an mmo when 75% of the ppl u run into are dickbags.
Stick around at the end for an outtake =P
Don't underestimate the power of the Millennium Flaowkin!
@@SparkzthePrimagen Don't try it, I have the *HIGH GROUND.*
I thought you were going to say Flauta... mmmm, flautas...
This was the exact same email I got recently! I filled it out quite a bit with lots of points on why the game is terrible now. Hopefully they act on these surveys and feedback to improve the game
No flying? No subbing. Then they only unlock flying towards the end of the expac. Why even bother.
Yeah, cause flying above all of the content is fun -_-
@@khansterbeam95 it offers the freedom of a mmo which it should.
This grindy Time gated shit is no fun at all.
Hate being kicked Off my mount by a boar even though you were travelling on a walkway. Hate getting Struck at a little Root.
Flying for Gold and a fully levelled Char.
@@barandor Then what are your views on exploring and immersion?
@@khansterbeam95 i Think the flying Problem was very well solved in mop.
By far one of the most immersive xpacs aside of wrath.
I dont know why i should Level up multiple chars without being able to fly around zones which i didnt like with my Main.
I have wod and legion pathfinder achievement unlocked as soon as the timegates opened.
Right now got not one of the steps because i have to puke when i think about it.
And when you say immersion i always think about elwynn Forest or feralas.
With extreme high trees which dont disturb your view.
I dont want to ride or run there again because i know what is there.
I want to feel like i actually am some kind of reaaally strong warrior who owns that place flying on my ashes of alar tlpd or invincible as long as i am max Level.
This is immersive to me.
Being max level getting ONLY stronger maw down mobs which hurt me in the beginning
i mean come on de defeated kiljaeden the lich king two old gods and so on...
Flying at max level without being dragged to the ground for Time reasons is quiet essential.
@@khansterbeam95 I found that most of the no flying people on the GD forum didn't have even a quarter of the Exploration and Loremaster achievements that we pro flyers have. Nor did they usually have 20k achievement points, which means we play many aspects of the game that they didn't. Do you have all of the Exploration and Loremaster achieves? (I'm missing old world Loremaster because they keep moving the goal posts, but have every Exploration and the "killing the rares" achieves through Legion, if memory serves me.)
I love to fly because I'm the one in control. And until the after-7.3.5-hotfix got rid of it, I used to stop to help lowbies often, especially when they were killing rares. (You can't do that now because if you help anyone 10 levels lower, it'll destroy the XP that they'd have gotten had you not helped.)
So to make Blizzard listen to me i seriously need to stop playing thier game yes?
@@ruf1o2o you are so wrong. As someone who want to hold customers you need to do surveys to hold em and improve stuff. If they quit its nearly Impossible to get them back.
take it from me i quit after wrath .... they never listen
My biggest gripe is simply the walls of reputation grind blocking the storyline. I like the story, and I like the new zones. The azerite gear is boring and a pointless grind. The RNG for other gear is meh. But I probably won't finish the storylines because I get near the end and then get too bored of rinse-and-repeat rep grind content. In earlier expansions (Cataclysm and prior), I'd do professions, but those are pointless now too.
Stop catering to endgame instance people ONLY. You guys have an immense world, beautifully done. You have a unique IP with lots of depth. Give people reasons to be out in the world exploring, rather than zipping between map pins and instances for rewards.
Maybe force the design team to go play a few single player RPG's so they remember how it feels to be immersed in a game world again.
This looks to me like an outside consulting company has been hired to figure out what is going wrong. With a little bit of research they knew what questions to ask so that they could take in solid numbers to show the fancy suits why the numbers are probably mostly opposite of projections. I don't think bliz has people in their own office with the stomach to put together a form like that.
Also good job on instructing the mindless drooling player base on how to fill out the form correctly. The average IQ of these people is probably low enough that this would probably be a big help. Too bad close to none of them will watch this before filling out the form.
I went back to SWTOR ^^. Just for the story, rolled a new Sith Warrior and playing it now for the storyline. Going to stop before the expansions with the corridors and the skytroopers, which is shit. I love the classic SWTOR. My main in BFA is maxed rep and I can no longer stomach any more WQs on my 47 (!) alts. Got 14 to 120, that's enough. Delete scaling, delete RNG, remove GCD, enable professions, which are shait atm, and again make us gods at max level. That is WHY we level Blizzard, not this scaling crap negating any gear advances with heavier resistance. Enable heirlooms to go to 120 and give us back more xp from dungeons etc.
AND, there is a reason I got all these dragons in my collection, I want to be flying. No more wading through all the adds on the cluttered ground. Enough!!!!
I did the same thing dude, SWTOR is far more enjoyable than wow is at its current state...
47 alts, you clearly need a life.
Yes, Az it is quite easy to distinguish WoD from BFA.
WoD is objectively better
Why I don't like BFA? The game have been just more of the same with every xpac since they took away talent trees. I was very excited to play BFA I thought things would be different but once you get past the wrapping and the bow, it is the same piece of poop underneath. In a game where we pay so much for EVERYTHING we should at least be able to play the classes our way and not have one cookie cutter build that blizzard forces you to play, the profession system is a joke, every time we get something fun like a glad stance warrior or when the best thing you can have equipped is something you made or when you can pick and choose from 3 talent trees and build your toon your way and it's still viable for all content, Blizzard takes all that away and make Us the people PAYING them play how they want. I like questing, mythic + and PVP, questing right now is stale and boring you can only complete a quest one way there is no other options no choices to make just the same thing over and over. The mythic + reward system changed you get less while the dungeons get harder and PVP is an unbalanced joke where 3 classes my reign supreme. Blizzard do so many things right, I think they have some of the best writers they can really developed a character and make you fall in love with them but they have been on top for so long and we have made them so rich they think they have all the answers when all they do now is constantly step on their own toes and get on their own way and ruin OUR game ...and it is our game we pay for everything thing and if we all ask for change and stop playing/paying until such changes happen they would have no (choice) but to listen.
Dwingaa cooki cutter... Wha... ?
I love the old skill tree and pvp was so much more fun
@@johnrudge5459 absolutely, when we could actually build our own specs and have fun with the game
Further proof to me Blizzard as we knew it an liked it is DEAD. Wake up people EVERY Blizzard founder is now gone.... EVERY Wow founder is gone............. This is now just another greedy publisher company doing the absolute least for the most $ no one high up is a gamer ..... you could not put out BFA with all its boring content an be a actual gamer. Go to ESO go to FF14 hell go read a book... your better off out of BFA and most likely wow from now on.
+Michael Coffey
Correct. The modern "Blizzard" is Activision in disguise.
@@Rajin90 wont lie its getting bloody boring lately hardly even log in these days.
@Martin Cepek oh i can make a fuckin grocery list but my biggest thing is the removal of "superfluous" abilities, you just know they are taking steps to make it mobile friendly with how few skills are left because the point of having so many abilities was to give you a tool kit where not EVERYTHING was for combat some things were just quality of life abilities that only your class could do and it added depth, and to keep it short with the two biggest issues they also removed class quests so you dont feel like you truly 'learn' abilities as you level and progress a good example is the shaman almost all of their utility has been removed because it was seen as unneeded for combat, until i finally gave up i used to shout this to the forum heavens about them 'shamans used to be allies almost brothers to the elements you had to either prove your strength to be worthy enough to control a difficult element such as fire or you made steady friendship with an element like earth, now? now those 'friends' youve turned into beatstick and slaves a shaman who actually acts like this would be stripped of their power and cast out
Hate to say it but squire inc. Destroyed FF when they came out with FFXIII amd honestly they started doing so with FFXII...
The real truth is. All games in this new era of gaming will not be the same as they once where. I quit playing any new FF after my experience with 13 way to arcade like.
120% agree
My wife and I unsubbed a week after BFA and haven't got one.
Because you probably haven't seen much of BFA before you quit. Why would they?
By that point we were confirming what we already saw for weeks on the PTR.
i was under the impression that Blizzard no longer cares about regaining subscribers
instead, they're just all about expansion sales.
in this case, the marketing for BFA was a bait and switch. tv commercials, pre-patch...
...all that hype is not representative of the product we played at launch. they done messed up.
also, its a shell of a game compared to Legion.
Legion was rich in class development and story. BFA is void of it entirely.
By "takes too much time to unlock new classes" they probably mean Allied Races
So, if people had visited the subreddit, it turns out this is only aimed at US players, maybe EU? Some people have picked thier place of residence, answering places like Italy and that will immediately end the survey for you. Rather questionable. That aside, it still raises the question of 'will Blizzard actually listen?'. I know people will answer 'Yes' considering all the changes that have been happening with 8.1 and all, but that isn't what I'm asking. What I mean is that will they actually understand *why* these things are a problem. *Why* people don't like the systems. Because, quite frankly, it is a bit reasonable to chalk up the current changes as 'Okay look, we're listening, we're doing this instead, are you happy?' and cash in on that bit of goodwill. Add on Ion's lawyer talk, and you've got what can be a convincing enough appearance of 'We're listening and we're taking into consideration what you want'. That's my two cents on this matter, anyway.
Lets see, the warfronts are albiet poorly executes were a great idea. The azerite system is no where near as worth the grind that artifacts were. Could have easily brought the trait tree back instead of coming out with azerite gear. The shittyness of world quests is still a thing Etc. Etc. Ive been playing WoW since wrath so I'd say im a loyal customer at this point, but albiet the changes to classes have made playing them a bit more fun that is not an excuse to have made such poor decisions. Im gonna say it, this expansion is worse than wod. Because within the first month the content was already dry and stale with nothing much left to do. They've already taken away alot of what made WoW fun over the years and to try to appeal to the old style players with talks of going back to the roots only to use that as their gold paint over the shit is completely disrespectful.
The warfronts, albeit a good idea, were poorly executed." Or... "The warfronts were a great idea albeit poorly executed."
@@codycrawford7842 eh its like a half in half with me tbh. I think its a great idea but then i see alot of flaws with it.
cody is correcting your grammar because you're using "albeit" incorrectly
Ok
@@codycrawford7842 thankyou for correcting me
Players: "Blizzard, we don't like where you're taking WoW"
Blizzard: "Lalala, we can't hear you! We know it best!"
...
Blizzard: "Why are you all leaving?"
I also had the original 1977 Mmmillm Flaff
I really like your humor. Having a millenium falcon in the intro just earned you a like and a notification bell checked.
I believe even the competitive side is gettin quite hard to play, specially m+ where any key between 2 and 8 is a nightmare if you're pugging (which is the fastest method). Dungeons difficulty increased by A LOT this expansion, and besides that we lost A LOT of speed during gameplay with the GCD, people needs to think and know almost everything inside the dungeon to be able to "safely" run the key (without counting the ilvl requirement).. But wait there's a problem, besides raids, people had never encountered in the last expansions, content where teamwork is ESSENTIAL. And m+ NEEDS a lot of teamwork. So for those people that are casual but can actually become potential players in the competitive side of the game without being too "hardcore" like the mythic raids, they'll get discouraged to even try it after trying to pug some keys. That content becomes a quite negative experience for the casuals that are trying to find something harder than island expeditions, world quests or the unlosable warfronts. This actually makes those players see how empty and boring the rest of the content is, at least for those looking for the new content. (Preach posted a video not long ago about this problems, for those interested go watch it).
I wouldn't say dungeons got harder but the players got more casual than ever before. Did a +3 siege with 350 groups and found out 2 dps and healer never did the dungeon before at all or felt the need to tell me (the tank). wiped 11 times on the 1st boss despite explaining the boss over and over again. This group broke the straw on the camels back for me this expansion. Thought to quit after getting the brown skinned orcs but that group broke me.
Well said and so true. Between a portion of the community and blizzard, the game has become a shit storm. There's a reason why having people need to work for the gear was important. They had to actually do the content. They would learn and progress further, learning along the way. The player base has been pandered to and it's caused a dumbing down of the majority of the player base and ruined it for others capable of doing content. Our waters have been polluted.
The only things that they aren't hitting are the only ones that are relevant for me: Simplified character customization/class design/removal of mechanics like snapshotting/powershifting/stance dancing
Hmmm, I left because I was not having fun. You know, fun. That is why I play games, for the amusement factor. Leveled a Horde alt and an Ali alt, then finished leveling one of my new race characters; but when I got her to 110, I just didn't feel compelled to do the BFA content. The new area was not interesting, story content was slow to get to the meat, actually don't really think I really got any meat of the story beyond the initial start of BFA content. When I wanted to play, would log in and just sit there not feeling compelled to go do quest and would log back off. After a month of not wanting to play when logging in and I just logging back off, I started realizing there was nothing compelling about the game play to hook me into the non-stop playing that I did in Legion. Final straw was trying to play my mage that I freshly leveled from where I left her in Legion at 48. GCD ... and crappy performance killed me, always hated running back from a GY since Van; but trying to do some of the level 110 quest with my weakass mage and dying, I just left her at the GY dead, logged and unsubed. I just wasn't having fun, the game play reminded me of why I quit for the 1st time ever, back in Cata.
Recently I watched a video about choosing between Sylvanas or that other guy, don't remember his name, we don't talk about that trader or say his name. I so sympathize with The Dark Lady, she has fought for her people for so long, even died over it ( but she got better) and has suffered much. I really fell in love with her when I found and returned her broken locket. Hearing of her need for me to be there for her now ... nearly had me rejoin BFA ... but how long was I going to have to grind to get to that part of the story and tolerate the game play un-fun-ness. Just not enough. The game needs to be fun, the story compelling, my character needs to be and feel really powerful and not need to group or wait in line to do content. I need to feel like a hero and be key to the success of the leaders for which I have allied myself. BFA is the worst, I played WOD through many alts and achievements, even played Cata more, played BFA maybe 1.5 months and several of those weeks I didn't play but maybe 1 day a week. BFA just isn't fun.
Lol i have this sme feeling but i quit 4 years ago because of the pruneing and skill tree and hook to the game started to fade
Interesting. Cancelled my sub early September, which ran out in mid September, and I haven't received this survey as of yet.
what the hell do they mean 'too much time to unlock new classes?' did they mean allied races?
must be, because there are no must-first-unlock classes. YET.
Demon Hunters are the only "locked" class as you need a level 70 on the realm you plan on making one, but you get a free 110 boost so it isn't really a problem unless you want to unlock more than 1, even then you can just make a Death Knight and do dungeons for a few hours, it's quite easy.
I was thinking it meant the time it takes to get from 1-120. Even with heirlooms it takes a damn long time.
Death Knights still require a lvl 55 character to create
No they don't, they removed that level requirement with Legion
you make the bloody survey actually look interesting! keep 'em coming! cheers :D
My experience with WoW:
Played it alot back in vanilla before any expansions... i mean alot.
Was unable to play for a few years because of life situations. By the point i was able to play again i had no interest.
One day i received an email saying blizzard was giving me a free month and a level 80 character if i come back to the game.
I said fuck it, a free month and an instant level 80? Guess ill at least log in.
logged in on the free level 80, realized how retarded it was to start at level 80. Quit playing.
Another expansion came out, figured id try it again.
But nope, someone hacked my account during the free month and sold gold on it and i was banned. Was not able to appeal.
Thank you blizzard
Here's a proposal - imagine all content post vanilla being exactly the same as vanilla (in terms of difficulty, uniqueness and community immersion). The sub numbers wouldn't have plummeted, though you would still have had the situation where 90% of players never got to see end game content. Understanding more about this is to understand that the levels of dopamine and serotonin in the brain are what leads to a pleasurable wow experience. Modern wow does not (and cannot) cause the same levels of addition, joy and motivation simply because it is not built in a way which affects these neurotransmitters in the same or similar way. Serotonin, which helps us feel sated and contributes to feelings of happiness and well-being, then inhibits the compelling motivation of dopamine. When serotonin levels are low, the motivating effects of dopamine in the brain become amplified. Sound familiar? The usual complaint that 90% of players don't get to see end game content in vanilla translates roughly as: "dopamine levels are very high for prolonged periods of time (grinding/wiping on 5mans etc) and the serotonin release is very gradual and cannot keep players satisfied long enough for them to become bored." It means you'll always have a cohort that will never get to see end game, but they'll always try. I venture to say that this is perfectly fine.
Blizz should kill this title, and make something totaly new and original. This story is boring as f, nothing changed since beginning. Over and over same thing in different textures.
the game ended when we killed the lich king... the rest ws just catering to casuals.
Catnium i agree cat was ok things i like where there
Luv you, Az! I do not always agree on what you are voicing, but I do always enjoy your videos. They way you defend your arguments is one of the main reasons that I keep coming back to see more from you. Keep up the good work of striving to make WoW great for those of us who are new or playing in the mid levels!
You play the game for 4 hours then you have done everything. gcds completely killed fun pvp. I could play for 12 hours a day in wod cause the game was fun no matter how bad the expac was the gameplay was fun and now its boring
I also got a survey in legion when i quit playing
What it would take for me to come back to WoW:
- **reinstate talent trees
- reinstate reforging
- remove azurite
- remove or greatly reduce the RNG behind gear acquisition back to Wrath/Cata levels
- **remove requirement to buy the game/expansions and go solely off of subscription--or visa versa
- bring back the old glyph system from pre-MoP days
- perform a game wide rebalancing for the open world akin to ESO's One Tamriel (so you can level anywhere you want)
- add rebalanced and updated versions of ALL dungeons and raids to end game levels
- remove Raid Finder rewards; make it ONLY useful for assembling a raid, not for undermining its difficulty
- **remove the cash shop, except for the subscription tokens that people can trade
- make all name changes, realm transfers, sex changes, etc free (but it's cool to put a cooldown on them like 2 weeks or something)
**These are the most important ones, and the talent trees were the primary reason I permanently unsubbed two weeks after MoP released.
The expansion it's just another faction conflict that feel forced! Also there are so many inconsistent in the story!
once the horde and alliances made friends like after wrath the whole horde vs alliance part of wow was over and they never should have gone back.. they instead should have created a new faction and allow players to abandon the horde or alliance that basically became one faction for another faction.. that's the ONLY way they could have made it so the faction conflict came back to wow with out it feeling weird or out of place or whatever.
but noooooo.. they had to make that stupid ork guy the new bad guy and get all uppety in some old gods butt and shit to force the conflict again.
"Professions no longer rewarding"
Yeah, no shit. Engineering has been like that since Cata!
Babyface keep up your videos dude
It's great to see that they are sending surveys out that goes right to the issues. If they want to make the game better they now have actual numbers for the first time that properly reflect people's thoughts on the game instead of just hearing a small percentage of the player base that actually took initiative to voice their concerns.
I tell you AZ that IF they listened to your idea about player housing it would fix professions or at least go a long way toward it. The potential is there. It could make older mats relevant, revive the auction house for finished goods etc. etc. They need to get rid of hydrocore and the gated prof quests in dungeons and increase the yield and rate of Anchor weed, but honestly Blizzard, LISTEN TO AZ!!!! Imagine " shopping " for patterns and decor in old scholo or salvaging furniture in Stratholme? yeah
Id just like to say sir that ive just recently found you and love all your vids. Your humour and personality add such a good layer to your videos and just want too say please never change. Im english also so maby i just enjoy your humour more than others lol but its what seperates your videos from the generic mass out there love it and keep up the hard work mr :)
I've had my wow account since 2006 and I was unsubbed when they went out. didnt receive one, im feeling shit on by blizz and dont want to re sub because of it
Charlie Reeder
He’s referring to the surveys Blizz sent out
Great vid man, insightful. And the distance between me now and me getting any new expansion is as long as the wetlands run
Seven plus minutes just to get to page two? Yeah i'll just find it on Reddit, cheers.
I REALLY wish they sent this out to everyone. This should be a yearly survey to hear from their subscribers. About things they like and don't like.
Got less to do then wod.atleast we had ashran..i know i know....but when it was good it was excellent...ah miss it
"You never heard of the Millennium Flamflom?" A quote from Ham slomo 0 BBY (0 years before the battle of Yavin.)
The intros of your videos are so dumb but so funny man I want to see u reacting to asmong gold reacting to u reacting to him reacting to this video
U called his intros dumb :p
Reminds me of the NFL, they didn’t give a shit until their wallets felt it either
Good Lord... Your first 6 minutes are just a complete waste of time. Get to the point more quickly.
God, I love your humor. Keep up the great work.
I stopped caring about Blizzard the moment Activision stepped in. As a Diablo/WoW fan It's not hard to see all the quick cash grab short-terms practices going on in all their games with the future plans of reselling the same stuff over and over.
Blizzard are no longer in control, Most of the staff that we grew up with are no longer works there, they got replaced by Activision new staffs to implement the cash grab tactic in every region.
The community voice and feedback no longer shape or fix what's left.
You buy the WoW game + Expansions + paying monthly subs + In-Game Services/Shops. Yet your voice are ignored completely cause you're there to get milked.
The same with Diablo 3, this thing been dry like the desert waiting for a rain drop. Yet they kept reselling the same game for all consoles and now Mobile.
They just don't care as long as they keep getting money.
Literally got a BFA ad on this video...oh the irony
Blizzard: why you dont like bfa
Me: evrything
This survey SHOULD be available for EVERYONE and not just those who left but everyone man, I want to list my issues as well.
I find it interesting that Blizzard changed the order of the responses when asking if the player would return. Prior to that, the top answers were negative, while the top answers on that question are positive, and the "neither unlikely or likely" is at the bottom. It appears that they are putting the answers up top that they expect people to select more often.
12:15 "Less time in general for gaming??" You wish. This made me laugh so hard that I had to pause the video to collect myself.
"Hey, I killed another dickbag!" HAHAHAHA! Just 10 seconds into the video and I'm laughing my ass off.
I love how they put the negative answers at the very top and the neutral one at the very bottom.
You're hilarious Az and your videos are on point. I've been watching your vids for a long time but it's high time I give you my sub.
I want flying back with no restrictions/quests. I want my character to feel like the old ones, not castratio. I don’t want to be “the hero” anymore. Quit making the areas smaller and smaller. Don’t release a new beta and forget the actual game and leave us with nothing. Put back the REAL CINEMATICS. I almost cried when I saw the lazy story board cinematics, especially the burning of Teddressal (sp), so try, like you did with the warrior cinematic, again. Don’t run us to endgame, make the journey fun, long, and somewhat difficult. That would be a start.
My vision comes from a subscriber who played the beta and subbed since the beginning, but no longer plays.
You see the bit of the survey that asks if you'd be open for a 30 minute skype interview?
Interesting different between WoD and BfA: Blizzard knew right way that WoD was a turd and tried to wrap it up as quickly as they could. I remember Blizzard constantly mentioning "the next expansion" during the press cycle of WoD, as if ensuring people there'd be a light at the end of the tunnel. With BfA Blizzard seems genuinely blindsided by the negative reception. They clearly have a full patch cycle planned for it like they did Legion and are scrambling to find out why people don't want to stick around for it this time.
I'm wondering if it has to do with the CMs not letting them know what the forums were really saying. Lore - I think it was - said something to the effect of the CMs didn't think it important enough to let the devs know that there was perceived Horde bias, so the devs were blindsided when they/someone wore a Horde t-shirt after so much "for the Horde!" happened.
Because of that, it's got me thinking that the CMs haven't been doing their jobs well, or that they have their own agenda on how they want the game to be, so they've been leaving out a lot of stuff for the devs to know. It really surprised me to think that the devs don't spend 10 minutes a day every morning checking to see what the latest outrage is on the various WoW forums, in order to see how things are going.
I agree that this time around it's pretty baffling the way the devs seem to not know how bad the azurite system is, et cetera. It's not like people weren't telling them in alpha, beta, and the PTR. I think Lore is wrong and the devs were ignoring the feedback - not disagreeing with it, as he said.
Not the ony one that was crap mop was shit to lots of abilitys where gone to
If you get the survey, when responding the "very unlikely, somewhat unlikely" questions, pick the first or the last one. Gray responses like "maybe" don't matter.
give any man a truck and a table and he'll have it go off the cliff with screaming and explosions
I wonder if someone above Ion put this survey out because it is so transparent and unbiased in its questions, I can't see Ion asking these same questions if it was up to him to make the choices. This is laid out more like a survey from (for example) Best Buy or Walmart (or other big name corporation). I noticed the name of the company that made the survey at the bottom and found it odd because I would expect that Blizz is capable enough of making their own survey, but all the choices you get to select are so specific that I've seen each one pop up in the forums at some point or another and watched Az talk about.
I've worked retail enough to notice patterns in surveys and questions asked and this is a lot different than an "in house" created survey.
Its like they know all the greatest hits but decide to play chopsticks for a social experiment.
Don't forget about the return of Holinka. That idiot is now in charge of all combat.
I had a similar e-mail survey like this back in the middle of Legion. It just asked How satisfied are you with WoW. Then it went in depth asking me what other MMOs/Games I played.
I hate Bfa. I took no pleasure at all in unsubbing from WoW but Bfa did absolutely *everything* wrong and that sub is the only power we have to tell them so. it has tedious content, slot machine rewards, generic classes, grindy pointless professions, no world challenges and is stuffed with the worst of mobile mini-games.
It has always asked you for your reason for cancelling. When I cancelled all 3 of my accounts one time years ago, I put in the reason box that I didn't like the newly added repair costs because as a casual I felt like I spent all week grinding away trying to make enough gold just so I could pay for my repairs for raiding on the weekend, it felt like a job, and I already had one of those. When I finally came back, repairs seemed insignificant. So I assumed they must have addressed it to some degree.
Hermione: "It's 'Neither Nor,' NOT 'Either Or'".
Entire questionnaire put in "Did you stop playing because of BfA? Tick yes/no (other reasons)", also that list of BfA fails they made is pretty hilarious.
They're answering their own questions, now they're needing to fix this.
Got the survey. Where it asked why I quit, I answered "I NO HAVE PHONE!!"
They ignored the negative feedback at every turn, then they send us surveys asking for more? But then the survey basically lists all the negative feedback we gave them? This whole thing is really strange.
If anything, they need to send this survey to ALL PLAYERS, not just ones who unsubbed, then actually read them and fix the game.
I'll give Blizz credit for having the guts to give unsubbed players the chance to give them the tough answers they may not want to hear.
I bet what finally convinced blizzard internally was the fact of how much hype classic has right now over BFA. The reasoning being that if that many people are excited for a classic experience why are they not excited for BFA if it's supposedly better.
Strange that they ordered the answers the way they did. I know that generally you put the answers in the order you want people to respond as some people will just pick the top answers.
It's not just BFA it's the service. WOW could care less about the players. Just have a bug or in game issues and see how they blame you and fix nothing.
1. No exploring and discovering things on our own. Everything is guided. This made BFA easy to complete.
2. Still grinding for rep in order to fly.
3. Professions are not rewarding. I honestly believe the best items in the game should come from professions, and second best from rare drops. Mediocre items from vendors.
4. PvP isn't what it used to be. In Vanilla, the lands between the two factions were separated and you couldn't just easily walk into the other factions lands. Integration occurred around lvl 30 in places like Stranglethorn Vale. Keeping the PvP alive in the world, but keeping distance between the factions, helped keep players safe from ganking. If they had implemented a punishment system to stop players from ganking lowbies, that would have worked, too. But instead, they integrated all lands so both factions shared cities and questing lands, and did absolutely nothing about how easy this made it for others to gank lowbies.
5. no freedom for class customization! By gawd, I hate these stupid forced specializations.
6. No progression of skills like in Vanilla. If I want to get good at daggers, and I'm a mage, my character should be allowed to use a damn dagger and level that thing up! That's pretty much how things work in real life. I want to get good at knitting and I am a pro-football players, I pick up some needles and start practicing!