Why do you think the Minoans and Mycenaeans had such different defences around their palatial sites? And why do you think Pylos didn't construct Cyclopean walls around its centre like other Mycenaean cites such as Mycenae and Tiryns? Let us know!
Probably because the Mycenaeans were based on the land and did not have a natural barrier like the sea. So they needed fortifications against potential land based enemies. Whereas the Minoans were surrounded by sea, which formed a natural barrier. Added to which if they had a strong merchant navy, they very probably had a strong military navy. So they were a maritime power. A more modern similarity is with Britain a hundred plus years ago: the British army, although very professional, was very small compared to mainland European armies. However the royal navy was maybe the strongest in the world at the time. The theory being that any invading power would be stopped at sea before reaching land.
@@dina3396 Archaeological evidence points to the main Santorini (Thera) eruption being around 1500 BCE (i.e. the height of Minoan civilization) whereas radio carbon dating suggests an earlier date range of 1645-1600 BCE. It was the associated Tsunami that wreaked havoc.
@@mandolemite kñ 88888889hoursisisisisisisisisisisisisisisis888888888888isyouakaa8888888andandand8andand88888888788888andand888888888888ñ8888888n8n8n8ñ8n88ñ7k8n8ñk9ññ58andandand88889888888888888888888888888and88knitandñ8n8nn888888n88nn88n88pñ8n8n
I like to think the Minoans were a matriarchal society and therefore not a polemic peoples. As to why they did not have defensive walls I would like to think they had an esteemed position amongst the various other peoples they traded with and were loved and respected. I bet they had female diplomats too. We look at everything through the eyes of a patriarchal mind set and we are missing a lot. I think the people of Pylos were a different bunch.
I’m currently visiting Crete on holiday and this is the best summarising video I’ve found about the two civilisations and their interaction in history. I loved it! Thank you!
Excellent summation. I've been revisiting all of human history lately and have always been captivated by the Minoans. I visited Knossos 30 years ago, where you could essentially still walk in and around all the ruins much like was also the case with many Mayan sites back then. Knossos is simply incredible in its complexity and scale (as are many Greek sites) but it truly has a magic quality about it. Their inverted conical red and black columns are truly unique to that palace. It would have also been good to mention the volcano explosion of 1600bce on Thera (now Santorini) that is supposedly what may have wiped them out.
Evans had those columns made; they're concrete. Some of the wall paintings are also fake, and he had his hired father-son team of artists fake a lot of the artifacts. I thought everyone knew that by now.
Rermarkable in depth information about a civilization of the past. Informative and educational and exremely well presented. Thank you for such undertaking.
Thank you! You can read our articles on each civilization here: worldhistory.org/Mycenaean_Civilization/ worldhistory.org/Minoan_Civilization/ worldhistory.org/article/1610/the-minoans--mycenaeans-comparison-of-two-bronze-a/
I hypothesize that the Minoans most likely had an impressive navy. I would also wager a guess that the Atlantis of which Plato wrote about, if it truly existed of course, was likely a city on Thera situated on top of a small volcanic island surrounded by near sea level caldera crater rings that may have existed in the current day Santorini caldera. Also, the geothermal heat and possible spring would provide abundant energy that would likely promote advancements to a civilization, such as art and technology. The Minoans are, after all and as far as we know yet, the first civilization to use underground plumbing for clean water as well as sewage transport.
The Minoan have some similarities with the Neolithic Danube culture, i.e. no fortifications, few or no founds of martial arms and the snake goddess. Could it be so that this was a rest of a pre-Indoeuropean culture in Aegean, Western Anatolia and East Balkan?
Thank you for this video which was very well narrated. I have just finished my final thesis for the Pottery of the Minoans and Mycenaeans inclusive of some Linear B translations.So this video was most interesting for me.
@@WorldHistoryEncyclopedia Yes thank I did enjoy it. By the way, I did a thesis on Minoan and Mycenaean Trade and Trade Routes in the Mycenaean Empire It's on Academia if you would like to check it out. There are others with the same name as me Rita Roberts but you will know it's me because of the subject. Best wishes.
@@WorldHistoryEncyclopedia does the in depth studies of trade between the co-existing civilizations give us insight into social interaction and also possible emigration integration of traders in these times..?
my whole uni lecture completed in a more understandable and shorter version that covers everything even the smaller details. my lecture was 1 hour long and my lecturer is an athesis who questions all acheological findings.... meaning anything about religion is disguarded and he says along of archelogist are dumb and small minded... thank you for teaching me something im paying 900 dollars to learn about at university
Interesting. How do we fully understand a culture if we do not study the religion of the people. Simply teaching the religious practices of a people does not promote religion. I am as sure you can learn new facts without teaching those who taught before you are not only wrong but stupid.
I'm sorry this is absolute bull. Atheism doesn't mean they don't believe in religion. Atheists are fully aware that religions exist and accept that they do--they just don't believe any of them are true. You're either making this up or you're inventing reasons on why your professor acts like he does. Also, atheism has no connection to not believing archeological findings. In fact, atheists are more likely to believe in archeological findings and scientific findings than those who are religious. This comment is like the "God is Not Dead" of comments.
The Spartans, like the Minoans, had no city walls..so naturally we would conclude that they must have been a peaceful people as well..right? Guess it’s lucky we know a bit more about them
More fearless than peaceful. Who would mess with Spartans? Xerxis tried,really HARD...Who would dare, to mess with the Minoans and Talos? Who would dare to mess with the Minoan archers, who are described, as the best archers in the ancient world. Who would dare, to mess with the Cretan dagger and double axes? I don't knoq if I;m right but I know, that... Their civilazation, was way more advanced, than we though it would be. Until we found out, that they had better drainage systems, than in many cases, we have today! That's a mystery and to get things worse, they have found, way more advanced buildings in the later years diggings, which make the mystery even bigger!
Interestingly the Roman Republic had a taboo against bringing military equipment within the city. Even the wearing of a military cape, a paludamentum, was frowned upon. Perhaps the Minoans had a similar attitude towards the display of military imagery? Maybe there was a religious taboo about illustrating violent scenes within art? There's a fresco from Thera that does seem to show warriors carrying large spears/pikes, wearing boar tusk helmets and carrying tower shields, which sort of disproves this.
I think the Cretans laced everyting in life with drugs and the pychedelia of the land and all that came near fell under their spell, like it or not. This worked until the big wave shook things up and the Myceneans discovered beef jerky from the Auroch and that weight lifting was another high that changed everything. They built the big walls because they could burn testosterone doing it and showing off in their special way, land based to the continent and it's riches.....
If these are Greeks we're talking about, it could be that the non-wall builders considered themselves so bad ass, they didn't need walls. At least, that is how the Spartans felt about it in the classical period. The excessive fortifications in the north may be a reaction to a perceived threat from the north possibly due to a memory of themselves coming down from the north and conquering the native population. They didn't want to suffer the same fate. I would say that it was a combination of a feeling of security - not being north and exposed to invaders - and a feeling of confidence in their own martial prowess that caused the Minoans and the Mycenaeans located in the Southern Peloponnese to forgo building walls.
One suggestion we have read about is that the Minoans had such an elite Navy that they did not feel the need to fortify the island. They felt confident they could defeat their enemies at sea before they landed.
hello everyone my name is Anton and an interior designer who is interested in art history. then the question is, why the Minoans had no defensive walls ? yes, maybe they had a large shipborne fleet, but why I do not see information regarding the found a large number of ships dated 1500 BC the time of the disaster that destroyed their fleet ? my point of looking at the art of the Minoans, I think that they were not afraid of anything at all they were definitely not afraid of death because they believed in their gods ! they were afraid not of people but of gods, and walls do not protect them from gods ! and in general the island of Сrete has only a few ways where a ship can land, its geography is not very simple...
World first cultures Lepenski Vir (Iron Gates) starts 11500 BC, Starcevo culture starts 6200 BC, Vinča culture starts 5700 BC, today Serbia. Cucuteni culture starts 4800 BC, Varna culture starts 4500 BC. World first industrial revolution ca. 6000 BC. Bronze metallurgy. (BBC History news March 2010) Gordon Childe-The Danube in Prehistory, Jacque Pirenne-Agriculture at Danube Farming start about 6000 BC. Vinca First Calendar start to count years at 5508 BC. (Now in 2024 we have year 7532) Farming wouldn’t be possible without knowledge of calendar. Both development started and developed together. Harald Harman about first cyrillic writings in Vinca culture in 5500 BC so 2000 years before any writings anywhere else on the world. Vinca Iron production 1400 BC. In today English language there is more than 2000 same or similar Serbian words. Names of the Balkan tribes: Pelasgians, Mycenaeans, Etruscan, Wendi, (Wendisch museum in Cottbus, Germany) Illiyrians, Macedonians, Dardanians (Original Troy is here, not in Turkey, Homer wrote sea is freezing in the winter-Panonian sea), Moesians, Dacians, Thracians, Rasci, Celts, Scythians, Sarmatians, Arians, Sea People, Peleset, Philistines, Hittites, Bhrygians. Tribes spread in all directions all over Europe and Asia ……. Wild Greeks arived ~ 1500 BC from Egipt, Hungarian from Asia and Bulgars from Asia they found culture on the Balkans, writings and language and they mixed with domestic people. 18 Roman emperors were born in Serbia because of Etruscan connection. After Trojan war many groups of people left Troy in all directions to middle Europe, northern Europe to Britain and Scandinavia, south to Anatolia.One group under Aeneas sat sail with 22 ships and about 3400 followers and reach Italy-Etruscans. Proto serbian language is older than Sanskrit, Greek, Latin or all western Europian languages. Plato confirms in his work The Dialogues of Plato-Cratylus the Greeks used Pelasgian (Proto Serbian) to develop their own language.
It looks like in 1500 BCE when Santorini exploded and sent 100 ft. Tsunamis in the direction of nearby Crete to the south, the entire fleet of the Minoans was smashed, and some boat remains were found high on the slopes of Mt. Ida on Crete. This appears to have left the Minoans defenseless, and Mycenae invaded. Knossos never had high walls, and their defense was only maintained via their navy. Here’s a video I saw about that today: th-cam.com/video/39Rk3UQUNAY/w-d-xo.html
A few years ago, NASA announced that they are using the ancient Serbian calendar because it is the most accurate, that it is completely harmonized with nature, that the beginning of the seasons according to that calendar coincides with the electromagnetic changes of the Sun, lake water is changing ph level to acidic or alkaline on exact date.
I've got a question: What do you mean saying:- to bring the participants closer to the realm of the Gods -? Are you implying the human sacrifices, confirmed by the archaeological research?
Meditation and belief linked with symbology kept them juiced on the lovely empowering aspects of their divinities and their festivals linked to nature.
The Minoans did not have fortifications because they had a global (N America to India) trading empire based on trading copper and tin and hence controlling the raw materials for the primary armaments of the period. Being the dominant mariners, they likely had a navy just in case and thus little need of fortification on their twin island centers of Crete and Thera. After Thera exploded in circa 1650BC and Northern Crete decimated by the subsequent tsunamis, Mycenae became the new cultural and administrative center of the survivors of the Minoan civilization, which had been developing without interruption for some 800 years.
They're unlikely to be Indo-European because their genetic make-up substantially lack Eurasian Steppe Dweller haplogroups that we find on mainland Greece and Hittite Anatolia. They most certainly arrived as Neolithic Anatolian agriculturalists probably related to Çatalhöyuk, although they also share genetic affinity to Old Europeans (like Etruscans or Sardinians, and part of Greek mainlanders).
Are you familiar with the theory that they were decsended from West Ugric-speaking migrants? www.academia.edu/38843730/Establishing_the_West_Ugric_Language_Family_with_Minoan_Hattic_and_Hungarian_by_a_Decipherment_of_Linear_A
@@santiagolopeztuero5987 there is no evidence that minoans came from the asia minor as a total population.. we should not forget that all the aegean populations of the old Aegeida of the paleolithic period gradually remained in the islands when the see level became lower or they just remained and gather in the greek peninsula and also in the minor asia coasts. there is some evidence that some people reached to Crete during the minoan period and that is something that has been found in some skeletons but in not to all and not to the people. besides south asia minor was not far away from Crete. but there is no evidence that brought different elements of civilization, as the artifacts of the minor asia and middle east populations were totally different from the artifacts of the minoans and the myceaneas. also the wall paintings too are unique. so when we cannot talk about total immigration of asia minor populations to Crete but of course for some human communication as it is rational in every age. in the end, we do not know officialy the language of the minoans but Liner A seems to have many common elements with the Linear B, although yet is not deciphered. but we know officialy that Linear A is also totally different from egyptian or from other easterns like summerians or hittites. so yes, Linear A is not deciphered yet but the clues seem to show that is closest to Linear B. besides the last elements that are known after the comparison of myceanean and minoan skeletons of the periods show that the skeletons are common between them and much different from the skeletons of the middle east. so there are a lot of strong reasons that give us the right to talk about aegean populations of the bronze age and its a common rational thought.
It was the Minoans who were considered by the miceneans as the beautiful and most powerful and culturally influential people, there where friends to each other , when the volcanic disasters hsooened that destroy the Minoans the miceneans, ocupied the Minoan territories to rule and bring order to it , though the miceneans bad adopted the Minoans culture they kept their own language and gradually decayed be susetbey had a diferent cultural structure that didn’t promote comer and art and sophistication
I think the Myceneans had a big problem with rodents and vermine that was not so on Crete and persistent batting and battling the pests with brooms eventually made them obsessed with building walls and barriers to unwelcome visitors.
Perhaps the difference between the lack of fortifications for the Minoans and Mycenaeans stems from social organisation. Maybe the Minoans had a somewhat centralised state, with a ruling dynasty ( possibly based at Knossos) governing the isle. With absolute power maintained by royalty and a religious class, perhaps a powerful clique of priestesses, no outside force could challenge them (except when they were later conquered by Mycenaeans). In that respect they could've been like New Kingdom Egypt with its god-king Pharaoh and priestly class. Minoan Wealth from trade with foreign powers like Egypt, as well as local agricultural produce would've been collected and housed within the palaces as part of the Palace economy. With all the wealth collected in these palaces, the rulers could control and distribute resources to the common people as they wished, therefore leading to a form of social control. Any who challenged the palace bureaucracy would be cut off from food supplies and resources. Further control could be maintained by the priestesses who performed sacred rituals meant to pacify the people. The Mycenaeans on the other hand could've been divided between several tribes/polities/dynasties, centered at different settlements like Mycenae, Tiryns, Pylos etc. They vied with each other for control of land and resources which is why they had to build cyclopean walls and citadels for defending their holdings.
The minoans were in no need for fortifications, due to the fact that then isolated position of the island , gave them the security they needed for hundreds of years and their skill at sea , gave them the possibility to meet up with all the other peoples in the area , trade with them and live in peace with high quality standards of life on their island
*Theory on why the Minoans weren’t militant* Today, we observe a dynamic in which South Koreans are not militant, because they are covered by Americas sphere of influence. The Minoans were in the sphere of influence of the ancient Egyptian super powers. Anyone attacking them, would arouse the rath of Egypt and Kush and the rest of Aethiopia; super powers of the time that predated both Minoans and Mycenaeans by at least 1300-1500 years(Thinis, Qustul, Kerma 3100 B.C+). We can observe the Egyptian frescos of the Minoan tributes. Look at the Minoan fresco so called, ‘captain of the blacks’ the Minoans were a vassal of Egyptians and Aethiopians. The Mycenaeans were also under this sphere of influence, hence all the Aethiopian characters in their legends such as King Memnon and his seemingly unlimited Army of Aethiopians, as well as princess Adromeda, who is seldom depicted as she was described; Aethiopian. Mycenaeans had to be militant, because they were on the mainland with much larger threats, and politics to contend with.
Partly possible, but up to Ptolmees Egypt didn´t have the sea navy worth that name. All their war in Near East coast were fought on land by land armies, possibly with some transportation vessels by the coast. Egypt also, as far as I know, didn´t conquer Cyprus that is much nearer to the Delta of Nile than Crete (that was job for Hittites and Assyrians, possibly being transferred by Urartu and Phoenician vessels respectively).
thank you. that was curious. with regards to no walls/fortifications with Minoans - could it be, that considering they worshipped chthonic deities - they actually followed some reptile strategy of hiding underground in times of calamities. more so, if their sites have complex underground network of 'utilized' (in yet unknown fashion) caves and catacombs... hmmm. stalactites would always mean salt and water supply, right? - just guessing -)
Yes, the primitive act of making holes to plant seeds led these lucky ones living on this singularly idylic and fertile isle, graced with beneficent winds and airs and flowers in abundance, to associate life with holes and caves and to worship same for life and safety.
Why did the Mycenians have a big wall and why did the Minoans not???? so basically the mycenians fought amongst themselves and so they had need to protect themself the minoans lived on an island and had natural protection from the sea and were perhaps a grand naval force keep it up world history encyclopedia - faith and lana yr 11 ancient history xx
@@WorldHistoryEncyclopedia I am waist deep in big look at WHY democ'y in Class Greece and ironically a big factor seems to be "fall" of Bronze Age civ'ns. Esp Mycenae!
Pelasgians was a term that ancient Greeks used to describe their precursors, but nowadays we typically call them Mycenaeans after the famed Bronze Age site of Mycenae
@@ardirama4432 Well, in Modern Archaeology, Mycenaeans are used to describe the Bronze Age Greeks. The Greeks themselves called their precursors Pelasgians or Minyans, as far as I know.
Minoan disk is Tataric Turkic. Mycenaens also. They have our Turkic fish letter M. For their names. Greeks don't have this letter ever in their history. There is no Greek history. There is a Turkic history what they tell you as Greek history and civilization. More than 90% is fairytale. The cradle of civilization starts with Turks. Sumerians are Turks. Egyptian Hieroglyphes are written in Sumerian Turkic. Etruscans with the letter alfabet are Turks. Troyans are Turks. Scythians are Saka Turks. Called Scythian by Greeks and Irani, but the Arabs called these horse riding people as Oğuz, Öküz/Okuz/Oks/Ox. The people of Mu, the Sun people. Civilization is brought by Turks, that's why many folks have old Turkic words, in a new form. It all derived from Turkic words, languages and writings.
@@olorin4317 The Maya's also told about them, you westerns call them 'The Sea People, Who Were They'?, or their alphabet, Lineair A/B. The Phaistos Disk is already translated to Turkic. And the Maya's and Mexicans named these children of the Gods, the Sun people. They came and go with ships. These are the Turkics, they left hundreds or thousands Turkic words there. It is not Greek, It is not Roman, surely not European. Just Turkic. Guess what, the Greeks, Europeans and Egyptians told also about these people who came with ships there. So what do you mean by, Nationalistic Narcism? The white westerns and Greeks who name them as Greeks? Hahahahhaha, what a jokers. What a stupidity. We Turkics brought you all civilization. Read, Gene D. Matlock - What Strange Mystery Unites the Turkish Nations, India, Catholicism, and Mexico?
@@olorin4317 So what about your yikes nationalism nascissm. Telling the world a Greek civilization, while it is the Turkics. Embaressing. Did you ever saw Greek civilization from 0 to 2023? Do you guess it was there before this year 0? Their oldest writing is 1400B.C. and our Turkic ones are older than 5000B.C. You all are so funny. Especially liars.
@@olorin4317 The Sumerian are also Turkic, did you know that? The cradle of civilization. The ones that brought you all writing, math, and all other things. Learned you all many things. And you all didn't even had a writing, you can't find your writings. And the oldest ones for the westerns are those from the Greeks 1400B.C. And Sumerian Turks, 5000B.C. and older. So it is all Greek you westerns say? Nationalistic Narcissm? Why are you all lying?
Why do you think the Minoans and Mycenaeans had such different defences around their palatial sites? And why do you think Pylos didn't construct Cyclopean walls around its centre like other Mycenaean cites such as Mycenae and Tiryns? Let us know!
Probably because the Mycenaeans were based on the land and did not have a natural barrier like the sea. So they needed fortifications against potential land based enemies. Whereas the Minoans were surrounded by sea, which formed a natural barrier. Added to which if they had a strong merchant navy, they very probably had a strong military navy. So they were a maritime power. A more modern similarity is with Britain a hundred plus years ago: the British army, although very professional, was very small compared to mainland European armies. However the royal navy was maybe the strongest in the world at the time. The theory being that any invading power would be stopped at sea before reaching land.
@@dina3396 Archaeological evidence points to the main Santorini (Thera) eruption being around 1500 BCE (i.e. the height of Minoan civilization) whereas radio carbon dating suggests an earlier date range of 1645-1600 BCE. It was the associated Tsunami that wreaked havoc.
@@mandolemite kñ 88888889hoursisisisisisisisisisisisisisisis888888888888isyouakaa8888888andandand8andand88888888788888andand888888888888ñ8888888n8n8n8ñ8n88ñ7k8n8ñk9ññ58andandand88889888888888888888888888888and88knitandñ8n8nn888888n88nn88n88pñ8n8n
TITANS!
I like to think the Minoans were a matriarchal society and therefore not a polemic peoples. As to why they did not have defensive walls I would like to think they had an esteemed position amongst the various other peoples they traded with and were loved and respected. I bet they had female diplomats too. We look at everything through the eyes of a patriarchal mind set and we are missing a lot. I think the people of Pylos were a different bunch.
I’m currently visiting Crete on holiday and this is the best summarising video I’ve found about the two civilisations and their interaction in history.
I loved it!
Thank you!
We're so happy to hear that! Enjoy your holiday! 😊
Excellent summation. I've been revisiting all of human history lately and have always been captivated by the Minoans. I visited Knossos 30 years ago, where you could essentially still walk in and around all the ruins much like was also the case with many Mayan sites back then. Knossos is simply incredible in its complexity and scale (as are many Greek sites) but it truly has a magic quality about it. Their inverted conical red and black columns are truly unique to that palace. It would have also been good to mention the volcano explosion of 1600bce on Thera (now Santorini) that is supposedly what may have wiped them out.
Evans had those columns made; they're concrete. Some of the wall paintings are also fake, and he had his hired father-son team of artists fake a lot of the artifacts. I thought everyone knew that by now.
Rermarkable in depth information about a civilization of the past. Informative and educational and exremely well presented. Thank you for such undertaking.
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!
We loved the way you tied the two civilizations together. A baseline set of characteristics of each before the comparisons would be helpful.
Thank you! You can read our articles on each civilization here: worldhistory.org/Mycenaean_Civilization/
worldhistory.org/Minoan_Civilization/
worldhistory.org/article/1610/the-minoans--mycenaeans-comparison-of-two-bronze-a/
Who is we
One of the oldest and fascinating civilizations
We agree! Thanks for watching!
Thank you so much for slowing down your narration for this video!
I'm glad that the narration for this video is at a better speed! Thanks for watching!
Brilliant video! Narration and amount of information is top notch. Also, an absolutely charming presenter!
Thanks for watching!
I hypothesize that the Minoans most likely had an impressive navy. I would also wager a guess that the Atlantis of which Plato wrote about, if it truly existed of course, was likely a city on Thera situated on top of a small volcanic island surrounded by near sea level caldera crater rings that may have existed in the current day Santorini caldera. Also, the geothermal heat and possible spring would provide abundant energy that would likely promote advancements to a civilization, such as art and technology. The Minoans are, after all and as far as we know yet, the first civilization to use underground plumbing for clean water as well as sewage transport.
Thanks for another fantastic video Kelly.
Thanks for watching!
The Minoan have some similarities with the Neolithic Danube culture, i.e. no fortifications, few or no founds of martial arms and the snake goddess. Could it be so that this was a rest of a pre-Indoeuropean culture in Aegean, Western Anatolia and East Balkan?
Thank you for this video which was very well narrated. I have just finished my final thesis for the Pottery of the Minoans and Mycenaeans inclusive of some Linear B translations.So this video was most interesting for me.
Our pleasure, we hope you enjoyed it! That sounds like a brilliant topic, I'm currently writing mine on burials, Minoan trade and identity at Pylos!
@@WorldHistoryEncyclopedia Yes thank I did enjoy it. By the way, I did a thesis on Minoan and Mycenaean Trade and Trade Routes in the Mycenaean Empire It's on Academia if you would like to check it out. There are others with the same name as me Rita Roberts but you will know it's me because of the subject. Best wishes.
@@WorldHistoryEncyclopedia does the in depth studies of trade between the co-existing civilizations give us insight into social interaction and also possible emigration integration of traders in these times..?
Really great presentation presentation! always so engaging!
Thank you so much, Sean! We love to hear that. 😊
my whole uni lecture completed in a more understandable and shorter version that covers everything even the smaller details. my lecture was 1 hour long and my lecturer is an athesis who questions all acheological findings.... meaning anything about religion is disguarded and he says along of archelogist are dumb and small minded... thank you for teaching me something im paying 900 dollars to learn about at university
Doi!
Interesting. How do we fully understand a culture if we do not study the religion of the people. Simply teaching the religious practices of a people does not promote religion.
I am as sure you can learn new facts without teaching those who taught before you are not only wrong but stupid.
I'm sorry this is absolute bull. Atheism doesn't mean they don't believe in religion. Atheists are fully aware that religions exist and accept that they do--they just don't believe any of them are true. You're either making this up or you're inventing reasons on why your professor acts like he does. Also, atheism has no connection to not believing archeological findings. In fact, atheists are more likely to believe in archeological findings and scientific findings than those who are religious. This comment is like the "God is Not Dead" of comments.
Thank you for a succinct presentation.
Our pleasure! Thanks for watching :)
The Spartans, like the Minoans, had no city walls..so naturally we would conclude that they must have been a peaceful people as well..right? Guess it’s lucky we know a bit more about them
More fearless than peaceful. Who would mess with Spartans? Xerxis tried,really HARD...Who would dare, to mess with the Minoans and Talos? Who would dare to mess with the Minoan archers, who are described, as the best archers in the ancient world. Who would dare, to mess with the Cretan dagger and double axes? I don't knoq if I;m right but I know, that... Their civilazation, was way more advanced, than we though it would be. Until we found out, that they had better drainage systems, than in many cases, we have today! That's a mystery and to get things worse, they have found, way more advanced buildings in the later years diggings, which make the mystery even bigger!
Interestingly the Roman Republic had a taboo against bringing military equipment within the city. Even the wearing of a military cape, a paludamentum, was frowned upon. Perhaps the Minoans had a similar attitude towards the display of military imagery? Maybe there was a religious taboo about illustrating violent scenes within art? There's a fresco from Thera that does seem to show warriors carrying large spears/pikes, wearing boar tusk helmets and carrying tower shields, which sort of disproves this.
Good point.
Spartans did have mountains
Thucidides tells us that Crete was a thalassocracy, so maybe they felt no need for ramparts, expecting their navy to do the job...
I think the Cretans laced everyting in life with drugs and the pychedelia of the land and all that came near fell under their spell, like it or not. This worked until the big wave shook things up and the Myceneans discovered beef jerky from the Auroch and that weight lifting was another high that changed everything. They built the big walls because they could burn testosterone doing it and showing off in their special way, land based to the continent and it's riches.....
@@caesarillion Awesome. :'D
If these are Greeks we're talking about, it could be that the non-wall builders considered themselves so bad ass, they didn't need walls. At least, that is how the Spartans felt about it in the classical period. The excessive fortifications in the north may be a reaction to a perceived threat from the north possibly due to a memory of themselves coming down from the north and conquering the native population. They didn't want to suffer the same fate. I would say that it was a combination of a feeling of security - not being north and exposed to invaders - and a feeling of confidence in their own martial prowess that caused the Minoans and the Mycenaeans located in the Southern Peloponnese to forgo building walls.
Very informative. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
One suggestion we have read about is that the Minoans had such an elite Navy that they did not feel the need to fortify the island. They felt confident they could defeat their enemies at sea before they landed.
I am subbing right now and gona binge some more videos
Thankyou so much! We hope you're enjoying our content!
hello everyone my name is Anton and an interior designer who is interested in art history.
then the question is, why the Minoans had no defensive walls ?
yes, maybe they had a large shipborne fleet,
but why I do not see information regarding the found a large number of ships dated 1500 BC the time of the disaster that destroyed their fleet ?
my point of
looking at the art of the Minoans, I think that they were not afraid of anything at all
they were definitely not afraid of death because they believed in their gods
!
they were afraid not of people but of gods, and walls do not protect them from gods
!
and in general the island of Сrete has only a few ways where a ship can land, its geography is not very simple...
Excellent
Thank you! Cheers!
I give it a ‘like’.
Nice channel! New subscriber here 👋 I go into the Bronze Age Minoan world quite a lot in my own channel. A fascinating topic!
Thanks so much, and welcome!
Thank you for your long information ❤️
You are so welcome!
World first cultures Lepenski Vir (Iron Gates) starts 11500 BC, Starcevo culture starts 6200 BC, Vinča culture starts 5700 BC, today Serbia. Cucuteni culture starts 4800 BC, Varna culture starts 4500 BC.
World first industrial revolution ca. 6000 BC. Bronze metallurgy. (BBC History news March 2010)
Gordon Childe-The Danube in Prehistory, Jacque Pirenne-Agriculture at Danube
Farming start about 6000 BC. Vinca First Calendar start to count years at 5508 BC. (Now in 2024 we have year 7532) Farming wouldn’t be possible without knowledge of calendar. Both development started and developed together.
Harald Harman about first cyrillic writings in Vinca culture in 5500 BC so 2000 years before any writings anywhere else on the world.
Vinca Iron production 1400 BC.
In today English language there is more than 2000 same or similar Serbian words.
Names of the Balkan tribes: Pelasgians, Mycenaeans, Etruscan, Wendi, (Wendisch museum in Cottbus, Germany) Illiyrians, Macedonians, Dardanians (Original Troy is here, not in Turkey, Homer wrote sea is freezing in the winter-Panonian sea), Moesians, Dacians, Thracians, Rasci, Celts, Scythians, Sarmatians, Arians, Sea People, Peleset, Philistines, Hittites, Bhrygians. Tribes spread in all directions all over Europe and Asia …….
Wild Greeks arived ~ 1500 BC from Egipt, Hungarian from Asia and Bulgars from Asia they found culture on the Balkans, writings and language and they mixed with domestic people. 18 Roman emperors were born in Serbia because of Etruscan connection.
After Trojan war many groups of people left Troy in all directions to middle Europe, northern Europe to Britain and Scandinavia, south to Anatolia.One group under Aeneas sat sail with 22 ships and about 3400 followers and reach Italy-Etruscans.
Proto serbian language is older than Sanskrit, Greek, Latin or all western Europian languages. Plato confirms in his work The Dialogues of Plato-Cratylus the Greeks used Pelasgian (Proto Serbian) to develop their own language.
This help for my exam :D! ty
We're so glad to hear that, Nathan! 🙂
It looks like in 1500 BCE when Santorini exploded and sent 100 ft. Tsunamis in the direction of nearby Crete to the south, the entire fleet of the Minoans was smashed, and some boat remains were found high on the slopes of Mt. Ida on Crete. This appears to have left the Minoans defenseless, and Mycenae invaded. Knossos never had high walls, and their defense was only maintained via their navy. Here’s a video I saw about that today: th-cam.com/video/39Rk3UQUNAY/w-d-xo.html
A few years ago, NASA announced that they are using the ancient Serbian calendar because it is the most accurate, that it is completely harmonized with nature, that the beginning of the seasons according to that calendar coincides with the electromagnetic changes of the Sun, lake water is changing ph level to acidic or alkaline on exact date.
It’s a well known fact that Crete was a hegemony and relied on it as a deterrence against warfare. There’s was peace through their Navy’s strength
👍🏼 Thanks for watching!
nice one
The usage of caves in antique religion is clear. Caves seemed like openings to the underworld and presented a way to link with the chtonic gods.
I've got a question: What do you mean saying:- to bring the participants closer to the realm of the Gods -? Are you implying the human sacrifices, confirmed by the archaeological research?
Meditation and belief linked with symbology kept them juiced on the lovely empowering aspects of their divinities and their festivals linked to nature.
The Minoans did not have fortifications because they had a global (N America to India) trading empire based on trading copper and tin and hence controlling the raw materials for the primary armaments of the period. Being the dominant mariners, they likely had a navy just in case and thus little need of fortification on their twin island centers of Crete and Thera. After Thera exploded in circa 1650BC and Northern Crete decimated by the subsequent tsunamis, Mycenae became the new cultural and administrative center of the survivors of the Minoan civilization, which had been developing without interruption for some 800 years.
Were the Minoans Indo-European? If they were. did they arrive ftom Asia Minor, the Levant or the Balkans?
The Minoans arrived from Asia Minor while still in the neolithic age. As for the language, it is unclassified as there is no way to be certain.
Thanks!
They're unlikely to be Indo-European because their genetic make-up substantially lack Eurasian Steppe Dweller haplogroups that we find on mainland Greece and Hittite Anatolia. They most certainly arrived as Neolithic Anatolian agriculturalists probably related to Çatalhöyuk, although they also share genetic affinity to Old Europeans (like Etruscans or Sardinians, and part of Greek mainlanders).
Are you familiar with the theory that they were decsended from West Ugric-speaking migrants?
www.academia.edu/38843730/Establishing_the_West_Ugric_Language_Family_with_Minoan_Hattic_and_Hungarian_by_a_Decipherment_of_Linear_A
@@santiagolopeztuero5987 there is no evidence that minoans came from the asia minor as a total population.. we should not forget that all the aegean populations of the old Aegeida of the paleolithic period gradually remained in the islands when the see level became lower or they just remained and gather in the greek peninsula and also in the minor asia coasts. there is some evidence that some people reached to Crete during the minoan period and that is something that has been found in some skeletons but in not to all and not to the people. besides south asia minor was not far away from Crete. but there is no evidence that brought different elements of civilization, as the artifacts of the minor asia and middle east populations were totally different from the artifacts of the minoans and the myceaneas. also the wall paintings too are unique.
so when we cannot talk about total immigration of asia minor populations to Crete but of course for some human communication as it is rational in every age.
in the end, we do not know officialy the language of the minoans but Liner A seems to have many common elements with the Linear B, although yet is not deciphered. but we know officialy that Linear A is also totally different from egyptian or from other easterns like summerians or hittites. so yes, Linear A is not deciphered yet but the clues seem to show that is closest to Linear B.
besides the last elements that are known after the comparison of myceanean and minoan skeletons of the periods show that the skeletons are common between them and much different from the skeletons of the middle east. so there are a lot of strong reasons that give us the right to talk about aegean populations of the bronze age and its a common rational thought.
It was the Minoans who were considered by the miceneans as the beautiful and most powerful and culturally influential people, there where friends to each other , when the volcanic disasters hsooened that destroy the Minoans the miceneans, ocupied the Minoan territories to rule and bring order to it , though the miceneans bad adopted the Minoans culture they kept their own language and gradually decayed be susetbey had a diferent cultural structure that didn’t promote comer and art and sophistication
I think the Myceneans had a big problem with rodents and vermine that was not so on Crete and persistent batting and battling the pests with brooms eventually made them obsessed with building walls and barriers to unwelcome visitors.
I'd love to visit Thera and Krete.
Thank you
Perhaps the difference between the lack of fortifications for the Minoans and Mycenaeans stems from social organisation. Maybe the Minoans had a somewhat centralised state, with a ruling dynasty ( possibly based at Knossos) governing the isle. With absolute power maintained by royalty and a religious class, perhaps a powerful clique of priestesses, no outside force could challenge them (except when they were later conquered by Mycenaeans).
In that respect they could've been like New Kingdom Egypt with its god-king Pharaoh and priestly class. Minoan Wealth from trade with foreign powers like Egypt, as well as local agricultural produce would've been collected and housed within the palaces as part of the Palace economy. With all the wealth collected in these palaces, the rulers could control and distribute resources to the common people as they wished, therefore leading to a form of social control. Any who challenged the palace bureaucracy would be cut off from food supplies and resources. Further control could be maintained by the priestesses who performed sacred rituals meant to pacify the people.
The Mycenaeans on the other hand could've been divided between several tribes/polities/dynasties, centered at different settlements like Mycenae, Tiryns, Pylos etc. They vied with each other for control of land and resources which is why they had to build cyclopean walls and citadels for defending their holdings.
Nice one too pretty Kelly !
nice
Thanks!
Are the minoans and mycenaeans the aegean people? I'm a bit confused
Yes, they are. Early greeks.
I suppose what we need to find is a Rosetta Stone for Linear A.
That would be awesome. Thanks for watching!
The minoans were in no need for fortifications, due to the fact that then isolated position of the island , gave them the security they needed for hundreds of years and their skill at sea , gave them the possibility to meet up with all the other peoples in the area , trade with them and live in peace with high quality standards of life on their island
I think it was just underestimation on the Minoans thinking which led to their down fall. As this saying goes “If you want peace prepare for war.”
10:52 "Zeus, Poseidon...."
-- No!? First statue is Poseidon and next one being highlighted is Zeus.
You're on an island, if you have a big effective navy, you don't need to worry about building fortifications.
Thanks for watching!
*Theory on why the Minoans weren’t militant*
Today, we observe a dynamic in which South Koreans are not militant, because they are covered by Americas sphere of influence. The Minoans were in the sphere of influence of the ancient Egyptian super powers. Anyone attacking them, would arouse the rath of Egypt and Kush and the rest of Aethiopia; super powers of the time that predated both Minoans and Mycenaeans by at least 1300-1500 years(Thinis, Qustul, Kerma 3100 B.C+). We can observe the Egyptian frescos of the Minoan tributes. Look at the Minoan fresco so called, ‘captain of the blacks’ the Minoans were a vassal of Egyptians and Aethiopians. The Mycenaeans were also under this sphere of influence, hence all the Aethiopian characters in their legends such as King Memnon and his seemingly unlimited Army of Aethiopians, as well as princess Adromeda, who is seldom depicted as she was described; Aethiopian. Mycenaeans had to be militant, because they were on the mainland with much larger threats, and politics to contend with.
Partly possible, but up to Ptolmees Egypt didn´t have the sea navy worth that name. All their war in Near East coast were fought on land by land armies, possibly with some transportation vessels by the coast. Egypt also, as far as I know, didn´t conquer Cyprus that is much nearer to the Delta of Nile than Crete (that was job for Hittites and Assyrians, possibly being transferred by Urartu and Phoenician vessels respectively).
Correction: Not Urartu but Ugarit
A brilliant observation, this. Thank you.
thank you. that was curious. with regards to no walls/fortifications with Minoans - could it be, that considering they worshipped chthonic deities - they actually followed some reptile strategy of hiding underground in times of calamities. more so, if their sites have complex underground network of 'utilized' (in yet unknown fashion) caves and catacombs... hmmm. stalactites would always mean salt and water supply, right? - just guessing -)
Yes, the primitive act of making holes to plant seeds led these lucky ones living on this singularly idylic and fertile isle, graced with beneficent winds and airs and flowers in abundance, to associate life with holes and caves and to worship same for life and safety.
@@caesarillion you don’t think early humans were able to observe animals burrow and think “oh yeah that’s smart as shit we should hide underground”
العصر الايجي
اي الاغريقي القديم
( 3000الى 1100ق م )
Why did the Mycenians have a big wall and why did the Minoans not????
so basically the mycenians fought amongst themselves and so they had need to protect themself
the minoans lived on an island and had natural protection from the sea and were perhaps a grand naval force
keep it up world history encyclopedia
- faith and lana yr 11 ancient history xx
Thank you! 🙂
OK. But why so much shots of the lady talking?????
Crete was the Switzerland of its day - Neutral
She’s really good on talking I envy you!😘
Actually, the Linear A script was deciphered recently as can be seen in the following video: th-cam.com/video/PiLyN9T2stY/w-d-xo.html
not bad!
Thanks for watching, William! 🙂
@@WorldHistoryEncyclopedia I am waist deep in big look at WHY democ'y in Class Greece and ironically a big factor seems to be "fall" of Bronze Age civ'ns. Esp Mycenae!
The Minoan's fortifications were their navy.
You’re mixing up scripts and languages, they’re not the same thing.
How could you forget to mention Tel Kabri, the archaeological site that testifies the cultural presence of Minos in the Levant? No Bueno!
sup mr. anikouchines class
Look into archaix for the true history
Mycenaeans copyed everything from cretans,also minoan period starts 7000-1100 bc myceneans 1700 -1200 bc
Why did you leave out the island of Atlantis
Send support newfriends
when she said homer i thought she meant homer simpson
TRENT YOUR WRONG
Rename the channel: “Intro to World History”
hmmm somone explain why homer said aincient greeks came from pelasgians and modern greeks come from mycenenas
Pelasgians was a term that ancient Greeks used to describe their precursors, but nowadays we typically call them Mycenaeans after the famed Bronze Age site of Mycenae
@@sauron8838 ok bud thats just not true
@@sauron8838 pelasgians left illyrians thracians and greeks
@@sauron8838 not myceneans myceneans are just some nobody
@@ardirama4432 Well, in Modern Archaeology, Mycenaeans are used to describe the Bronze Age Greeks. The Greeks themselves called their precursors Pelasgians or Minyans, as far as I know.
Minoan disk is Tataric Turkic. Mycenaens also. They have our Turkic fish letter M. For their names.
Greeks don't have this letter ever in their history.
There is no Greek history. There is a Turkic history what they tell you as Greek history and civilization. More than 90% is fairytale. The cradle of civilization starts with Turks. Sumerians are Turks. Egyptian Hieroglyphes are written in Sumerian Turkic.
Etruscans with the letter alfabet are Turks. Troyans are Turks. Scythians are Saka Turks. Called Scythian by Greeks and Irani, but the Arabs called these horse riding people as Oğuz, Öküz/Okuz/Oks/Ox. The people of Mu, the Sun people.
Civilization is brought by Turks, that's why many folks have old Turkic words, in a new form. It all derived from Turkic words, languages and writings.
@@olorin4317 The Maya's also told about them, you westerns call them 'The Sea People, Who Were They'?, or their alphabet, Lineair A/B. The Phaistos Disk is already translated to Turkic.
And the Maya's and Mexicans named these children of the Gods, the Sun people. They came and go with ships. These are the Turkics, they left hundreds or thousands Turkic words there. It is not Greek, It is not Roman, surely not European. Just Turkic.
Guess what, the Greeks, Europeans and Egyptians told also about these people who came with ships there.
So what do you mean by, Nationalistic Narcism? The white westerns and Greeks who name them as Greeks?
Hahahahhaha, what a jokers. What a stupidity.
We Turkics brought you all civilization. Read,
Gene D. Matlock - What Strange Mystery Unites the Turkish Nations, India, Catholicism, and Mexico?
@@olorin4317 So what about your yikes nationalism nascissm. Telling the world a Greek civilization, while it is the Turkics. Embaressing. Did you ever saw Greek civilization from 0 to 2023? Do you guess it was there before this year 0? Their oldest writing is 1400B.C. and our Turkic ones are older than 5000B.C.
You all are so funny. Especially liars.
@@olorin4317 The Sumerian are also Turkic, did you know that? The cradle of civilization. The ones that brought you all writing, math, and all other things. Learned you all many things.
And you all didn't even had a writing, you can't find your writings. And the oldest ones for the westerns are those from the Greeks 1400B.C.
And Sumerian Turks, 5000B.C. and older. So it is all Greek you westerns say?
Nationalistic Narcissm? Why are you all lying?