When I was young and working at a local sporting goods store, I got in a conversation with a much older gentleman than myself. We were discussing the age-old debate between a light and fast bullet and a heavy and slow bullet. In this conversation, I took away one piece of wisdom that I have found to be true. "Son, let me teach you something that only comes from a lifetime of experience. Light and fast bullets kill dramatically, but heavy and slow bullets will kill reliably." I have found this to be extremely true over the years, at least with cup and core bullets. I've seen fast bullets break up and fail to penetrate, whereas a heavy bullet may not dump the game right there, but it will consistently cause a short blood trail to your game.
Your "trick" to use your binoculars while still hunting to slow one down and concentrate is spot on. One will not only slow down but will see much more game. I have used the technique from south Texas brush country to lodgepole stands in the mountain west and where I grew up and first used it in the north woods of Minnesota.
My Dad killed lots of deer and antelope back in the 70s and 80s with his 220 Swift. Neck shots are somewhat controversial, but he took them whenever possible so as to not ruin much meat, and it always dropped them quickly.
I think you're wrong on how to get a 30/30 or a 300 BO to penetrate through and make blood trails. Vortex has done some penetration tests on gel with cartridges in that class and they've seen the monolithic bullets penetrate markedly less than the heavier cup and core options. What you want, I think, to get penetration from moderate velocity cartridges like those is bullet weight to get your momentum higher. (Momentum is effectively mass times velocity, where energy squares the velocity.) The 170 flat nose always has seemed to penetrate markedly better than the 150's in my experience and in the experiences of the guys i know who use the 30/30 a lot.
A 220 Swift loaded to its original ultra high velocity and with Barnes TTSX or LRX copper bullet would be very effective for large North American game. The Swift with a 55 gr copper bullet leaving the muzzle at 4,000 fps has nearly 2,000ft.lbs of kinetic energy, down range when the bullet is moving 3,500 fps the bullet still has 1,500 ft.lbs of kinetic energy which is what most experts state as the min for elk hunting. There are several articles on the coyote stuff site about a wildcat cartridge called the .220 REDLINE which is a 7mm SAUM necked down to .22 cal, the wildcatter used longer heavier 75-80 grain .224 projectiles moving at nearly 4,000 fps and they hit game animals like they were struck by lightning. An 80 grain projectile moving at 4,000 fps produces 2,800 ft.lbs of kinetic energy or the the same as a 308 Win and only 200-400ft.lbs less than the much lauded elk hunting cartridge the 175gr 7mm Rem Mag.
In the 70"s, my Dad would tell us of the merits of the Swift. He told of those who would take whitetail, elk and moose with the .220. Looking forward to hearing you Ron.
Caliber and bullet selection is much like choosing a vehicle, what can you afford and what are you wanting to do. Many good choices but remember the more time you spend with one gun the better you're going to be.
220 Swift use: Vince Dougherty, Swift Safariland, at Long Shot Ammo and Arms, Fairmont City, PA video - th-cam.com/video/fkpCJGOZa1s/w-d-xo.html book - ONE MAN'S PASSION FOR THE .220 SWIFT CARTRIDGE
Hi Ron, don’t know if you already know, but TH-cam automatically activated “synchronization” to other languages. You have a very strange sounding German voice now, unless it’s deactivated in the video settings. (Same for people in France, Spain etc…) The video description however is still translated and cannot be changed. You can deactivate that feature in your creator settings if you want. Best regards from Germany and keep up the good work!
I love my 220 Swift as well as all the 22 centerfires but I would never use them for deer. There is no excuse for that. If you are recoil shy there are lots of choices with heavier bullets that are more predictable on penetration that still kick very little. The various 25 calibers for instance, 243 Winchester, 7.62x39, 30-30, 270 Winchester, 35 Remington, 260 Remington, the list goes on and on. Leave the 220 Swift for doing what it excels at and that is varmints at long range.
I don’t know about shooting game with anything larger than a 30-06 or 12 gauge but I have never felt any recoil when shooting at any of the birds, deer or elk I’ve taken with those rounds. I’ve been so intent on shooting the game that I don’t feel a thing. But I’m kind of meh, when it comes to anyone using any legal caliber for the game they are after in the state they are hunting in.
I’d be happy if these muppets would stop trying to shoot moose with 22 cartridges, never mind deer. Getting silly out there. Reminds me of a short lived craze on one of my local steelhead rivers where guys were showing up with 5wt fly rods and 5lb test fishing egg patterns for “cutthroat” when there are way more 10lb+ steelies present. All them so proud to tell you about their 2 hour fight with a steelhead they “accidentally” hooked. Attention hunters/fishermen 🤦🏻♂️
Hello Ron. I've watched several of your analysis videos, and I think I agree with everyone. I'm just sitting here wondering what the deal is with all these cartridges. Basically anything developed after about 1970's isn't much besides very marginal, in terms of improving on more antique rounds. My 308 is remarkably versatile, and capable of mimicking many of these new cartridges. Effectiveness on live game is absolutely subjective. Outside the most extreme examples of caliber offerings. The cacophony of wildcat rounds surfacing the last 2 decades is almost nauseating. Honestly.
My 308 is sub-half MOA. Lol. How are you going to improve on that? The fact it gets there microseconds faster? Lol. It's ridiculous. This whole new ballistic mass awareness.
That story about grandma was just what i needed to hear tonight. Thank you for sharing.
That story was a heart tugger for sure. I really enjoyed listening to you tell that.
Congratulations Ron on reaching 100000😊
When I was young and working at a local sporting goods store, I got in a conversation with a much older gentleman than myself. We were discussing the age-old debate between a light and fast bullet and a heavy and slow bullet.
In this conversation, I took away one piece of wisdom that I have found to be true.
"Son, let me teach you something that only comes from a lifetime of experience. Light and fast bullets kill dramatically, but heavy and slow bullets will kill reliably."
I have found this to be extremely true over the years, at least with cup and core bullets. I've seen fast bullets break up and fail to penetrate, whereas a heavy bullet may not dump the game right there, but it will consistently cause a short blood trail to your game.
Your "trick" to use your binoculars while still hunting to slow one down and concentrate is spot on. One will not only slow down but will see much more game. I have used the technique from south Texas brush country to lodgepole stands in the mountain west and where I grew up and first used it in the north woods of Minnesota.
My Dad killed lots of deer and antelope back in the 70s and 80s with his 220 Swift. Neck shots are somewhat controversial, but he took them whenever possible so as to not ruin much meat, and it always dropped them quickly.
Dalton should consider the 260 or 7mm-08 instead of the 243 or 308
Or a rimmed cartridge, since he wants a single shot.
@@CandidZulu 256 Win Mag 😉
@@FranzAntonMesmer in Europe the go to would be 7x57R
It was a joke, look up 256 Winchester Magnum.
More bout swift is always welcome. Frank Glazer stories are always good.
Lazer
I think you're wrong on how to get a 30/30 or a 300 BO to penetrate through and make blood trails. Vortex has done some penetration tests on gel with cartridges in that class and they've seen the monolithic bullets penetrate markedly less than the heavier cup and core options. What you want, I think, to get penetration from moderate velocity cartridges like those is bullet weight to get your momentum higher. (Momentum is effectively mass times velocity, where energy squares the velocity.) The 170 flat nose always has seemed to penetrate markedly better than the 150's in my experience and in the experiences of the guys i know who use the 30/30 a lot.
Im gonna use 5.7x28 in northern mn next whitetail season. A hole in between the eyes of a euro mount sounds cool to me, thoughts?
A 220 Swift loaded to its original ultra high velocity and with Barnes TTSX or LRX copper bullet would be very effective for large North American game. The Swift with a 55 gr copper bullet leaving the muzzle at 4,000 fps has nearly 2,000ft.lbs of kinetic energy, down range when the bullet is moving 3,500 fps the bullet still has 1,500 ft.lbs of kinetic energy which is what most experts state as the min for elk hunting. There are several articles on the coyote stuff site about a wildcat cartridge called the .220 REDLINE which is a 7mm SAUM necked down to .22 cal, the wildcatter used longer heavier 75-80 grain .224 projectiles moving at nearly 4,000 fps and they hit game animals like they were struck by lightning. An 80 grain projectile moving at 4,000 fps produces 2,800 ft.lbs of kinetic energy or the the same as a 308 Win and only 200-400ft.lbs less than the much lauded elk hunting cartridge the 175gr 7mm Rem Mag.
And 220 swift is popular among the Inuit for shooting Narwal as deep as 300 feet. /s
No way, a 220 swift would blow up shortly after the surface of the water
I noticed the plaque right away! I've been waiting for it
Federal Back Country 7mm pushes a 170 terminal ascent 2980 ft/sec through a 16” barrel with 80kpsi and a case with the capacity of 280AI
Steel alloy cases causing seating pressure marks on the bullets, primers backing out of the case, and overall mediocre accuracy
An answer in search of a problem
@@Accuracy1st Why hello Mr. Fudd! Didn't see you there!
@@EternalClimb I thought you'd be hibernating right now
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220 Swift… What a great (small) deer cartridge.
In the 70"s, my Dad would tell us of the merits of the Swift. He told of those who would take whitetail, elk and moose with the .220. Looking forward to hearing you Ron.
Caliber and bullet selection is much like choosing a vehicle, what can you afford and what are you wanting to do. Many good choices but remember the more time you spend with one gun the better you're going to be.
@@davidmorse2149 great note!
220 Swift use: Vince Dougherty, Swift Safariland, at Long Shot Ammo and Arms, Fairmont City, PA video - th-cam.com/video/fkpCJGOZa1s/w-d-xo.html book - ONE MAN'S PASSION FOR THE .220 SWIFT CARTRIDGE
I thought it said " for moose and squirrel "... LOL
He should watch Banana Ballistics on TH-cam. He does a 6" box or 8" box sand and most calibers never go through them.
When will we know about the awards?
Hi Ron, don’t know if you already know, but TH-cam automatically activated “synchronization” to other languages. You have a very strange sounding German voice now, unless it’s deactivated in the video settings. (Same for people in France, Spain etc…) The video description however is still translated and cannot be changed. You can deactivate that feature in your creator settings if you want.
Best regards from Germany and keep up the good work!
How about a Daisy Red Ryder BB Gun against African Cape Buffalo Ron?
I love my 220 Swift as well as all the 22 centerfires but I would never use them for deer. There is no excuse for that. If you are recoil shy there are lots of choices with heavier bullets that are more predictable on penetration that still kick very little. The various 25 calibers for instance, 243 Winchester, 7.62x39, 30-30, 270 Winchester, 35 Remington, 260 Remington, the list goes on and on. Leave the 220 Swift for doing what it excels at and that is varmints at long range.
I don’t know about shooting game with anything larger than a 30-06 or 12 gauge but I have never felt any recoil when shooting at any of the birds, deer or elk I’ve taken with those rounds. I’ve been so intent on shooting the game that I don’t feel a thing. But I’m kind of meh, when it comes to anyone using any legal caliber for the game they are after in the state they are hunting in.
I'm gonna use 5.7x28 next season for whitetail
I’d be happy if these muppets would stop trying to shoot moose with 22 cartridges, never mind deer. Getting silly out there. Reminds me of a short lived craze on one of my local steelhead rivers where guys were showing up with 5wt fly rods and 5lb test fishing egg patterns for “cutthroat” when there are way more 10lb+ steelies present. All them so proud to tell you about their 2 hour fight with a steelhead they “accidentally” hooked.
Attention hunters/fishermen 🤦🏻♂️
Now i wanna see a 250lb speed goat 😂.
On the 300blk go Barnes 110 and you should be good to go
Hello Ron. I've watched several of your analysis videos, and I think I agree with everyone.
I'm just sitting here wondering what the deal is with all these cartridges. Basically anything developed after about 1970's isn't much besides very marginal, in terms of improving on more antique rounds. My 308 is remarkably versatile, and capable of mimicking many of these new cartridges.
Effectiveness on live game is absolutely subjective. Outside the most extreme examples of caliber offerings. The cacophony of wildcat rounds surfacing the last 2 decades is almost nauseating. Honestly.
My gripe with free choice on caliber offers is that they rob limited resources from proven cartridges. All in the name of ego...
Increasing scarcity and raising costs.
My 308 is sub-half MOA. Lol. How are you going to improve on that? The fact it gets there microseconds faster? Lol. It's ridiculous. This whole new ballistic mass awareness.
Speed kills Roy Weatherby
m-o-u-s-e, not moose
How in hell can he do this video and hate on the 308 so much?
Let me guess, you shoot a .308??
@ yeah 😅, point still stands though, the other guy did a terrible 308 video 😂
ron sper outdoors - The dubbing is an abomination. 🤦♂️👎🏻🤣😂.
high power 22 is not for large game and never will be