I'm glad the story was written this way, this was probably one of the few good things about the new show. It finally gave viewers from the original show closure concerning Pam. If you think about it, one of the things Pam always truly wanted was to start a family with Bobby, I never thought for a minute she would just abandoned Christopher and not be apart of his upbringing, there was a reason, and this story gave a good (yet heartbreaking) reason.
Tito Teixeira what are u talking about? Do u know how many times Cynthia Cidre begged Victoria Principal to come back. I read she almost gave in. She was pressured beyond belief. She again said no but was torn about it. It would've been great to see her in a cameo with Christopher even more so than Bobby.
Victoria Principal didn't come back to Dallas, because she is a successful cosmetics executive, running an corporate cosmetic empire. Larry Hagman, mentioned this factoid a few times, with a tone of resentment in his voice!
That's why I bought all 14 seasons of the original because in order to understand the reboot, you gotta go back to the beginning. It all made sense after that. I was a small child when the show started but my mother watched it so I had to learn about it and it's a good story between the Ewings and the Barnes
I would have done it different : Christopher finds his mom in Abu Dhabi believing she abandoned him. Then Pam says she did go back to Dallas but saw Bobby , Ann and Christopher happy together . This scene made her believing that they forgot all about her. Pam goes back to Abu Dhabi in tears. Christopher brings his mom back to Dallas to talk with Bobby and Ann. Ann is jealous and worried but let thema 3 talk. Pam says that she's sorry she ran away but could not confront Bobby and her son with her injuries. Pam is glad Ann takes so good Care of her son. Pam and Ann hug it out. Pam and Bobby agree to stay good friends . Pam goes back to Abu Dhabi. She owns a burn victims hospital over there and she 's the director. She sees her brother a couple times a year. She made him promise to keep it silent. She was tired of the hatred in Dallas. Now everthing is public her son can go visit Pam in Abu Dhabi together with Cliff.
I disagree. We got to re-visit some of our beloved characters one more time, especially J.R. and Sue Ellen and Bobby. Even Lucy and Ray showed up. And Val & Gary too! All that was missing was Morgan Brittany! It wasn't a bad show. The story telling was fresh, modern and just as sexy as the original.
Cliff Barnes should have told Christopher the truth about his mother, Pamela. Instead, greed made him keep Pamela’s death from her own son-his own nephew-all because Christopher carries the Ewing name. Cliff Barnes is a real snake.
I wish Omri Katz and Joshua Harris were asked to come back and reprise their roles in the new Dalls as Christopher and John Ross. The other two actors Jesse Metcalfe and Josh Henderson were and still very cute with beautiful bodies. I just wish the producers of the new Dallas asked the original Christopher and John Ross to come back. I also thought they should have brought Donna and Ray Krebbs story line back so they could become friends again.
I wept on hearing what really happened to Pam, I knew she didn't willingly abandon Bobby and Christopher but kept wondering for years, WHERE IS SHE? As for Cliff, I've always hated him and this revelation made me hate him more. Now Christopher and Bobby can think of Pamela kindly and have closure.
They changed history a little here. Originally Pam (as portrayed by the stand-in,) wanted to stay away. She never said on air that she wanted to return to Dallas to be with Bobby & their son. The writers took that liberty of filling in the gaps and making it seem as if she had a change of heart and wanted to return. Still, I appreciate how the writers tied it all into the oil business and brought our attention right back to shares and shady corporate moves within the family. I don't think Cliff ever really considered Christopher as a true Barnes though.
@@rolltide9547 not the same circumstances. And she wrote a letter to Christopher before going to Dubai for her operation. Cliff never gave Christopher the letter nor told him or Bobby Pamela died during the operation
Not sure why this was necessary on TNT Dallas. Everyone knew Victoria had laid to rest the character of Pam. I found it interesting Victoria released a media statement prior to this season screening she would not return. Blame the original Dallas writers for their poor handling of the character. Blame the TNT Dallas writers for their sloppy handling of Pam's death. Sure most viewers had closure but for Cliff to hide Pam's' death from Bobby and Christopher for all those years was appalling. And where is Pam buried? The most logical question from Christopher would have been, "Where has my mother been laid to rest?" Strange.
+Brad Osbourne The reason that the TNT version had to address the issue was because of the number of people who wanted the character of Pam Ewing to be alive - she didn't actually die on camera ... so there were a number of good story lines that could have been written. As for Victoria Principal - she was never asked to make so much as a cameo on the TNT version, that coming from Cynthia Cidre herself ... an admission that I think really ticked the fans off to the extent that it contributed to the show being cancelled after the 3rd season. It's a shame, because Jesse Metcalfe as Christopher was awesome and I think he & Victoria Principal would have been great together onscreen!
+Brad Osbourne Why? One of this new show biggest mistake was starting without avoiding this big issue and gap in Dallas storyline. They could've avoided this scene and this so-not-real storyline by asking VP is she wanted to be a part of the show and if she said 'no' they would've made the Ewings known about her death a long time ago. It would made this much more believable.
I totally agree with you about their potential chemistry. But all the money in the world wasn't going to change Victoria's mind. She was done with that character the moment she let out that blood-curdling scream in that epic car crash. The fans can't blame Cynthia Cidre for wanting to smooth out the wrinkles in th story a bit and answer the age old question of where's Pam?
Really great compilation of the backstory. Nice work! Tom, Chris is not JR's son. Kristen miscarried that baby. Jeff Farraday was Chris's biological father.
Cliff was a total jerk for not telling Christopher about the death of his own mother. All Cliff wanted to do was control Pamela’s shares of Barnes Global. What a snake.
This could have been a great reboot of Dallas. There were some moments here and there. The show was ruined. It barely even focused on the Ewings the last season. Horrible. Made up characters like the maid who wasn't Theresa.
GREAT editing job Shax!! I saw this as it originally aired and was a little confused because I remember there was Pam stand-in actress but wasn't sure if the character really died off screen or what. Thk God for TH-cam and savvy fans like you!
Had Victoria wanted to reprise the role of Pam, they could have explained that her illness resulted in her being comatose for most of the past 20 some years -- and that she had only recently reawakened -- but still wasn't able to speak. Seeing Bobby again would have been the jolt needed to start on on the road to recovery. But being that Principal didn't return, the ending to her story was satisfactory -- if not satisfying. I think her return could have make the show a bit more interesting-- as she always had good chemistry with the old cast. But, I don't think the writing on new Dallas was near as strong as the original version.
This sucked. Was SO unbelievable. Plus, we know Pam was NOT born in 1950 but in late 1952 or even early 1953. She could not have died without her Wentworth stock going to Bobby. Cliff would not be able to cover this up. Plus he and Bobby were pals in 1989. all they ever had to do was have Margaret michaels step into the role and explain the subtle differences as a result of the accident. But the producers were going to stick it to VP in the original and the reboot because of her leaving.
Earlier than that. If you watched Dallas: The Early Years it starts where the Ewings are having one of their annual Veterans Day barbeques and the year was 1951. Pam was about 4 or 5 years old.
@@jonstefanik9400 True but that movie had some inconsistencies compared to the earlier seasons of Dallas. I wish they would have stuck with the history ironed out by David Jacobs. In episode 5, Miss Ellie told Digger about the hard times of 1930 and meeting Jock around that time. The 1986 movies took its cues from the 1984-85 season where Jock was sole owner of Ewing Oil by 1932 having bought it with Jason and Digger just two years earlier. This is obviously NOT true. Jock and Digger had a partnership for years extending to at least 1939 with Jock throwing Digger out and stealing all the oil wells.....and, yes, Digger kind of asked for this. Then in the unborn scenes of the final episode, we see Jock's grave saying he was born in 1915. Amazing that at age 15, he bought an oil company. But I like what you're saying. Pam was NOT born in 1950 for sure.
@@jonstefanik9400 The whole TNT fiasco and the final two years of Dallas need to go in the Dumpster. A new special should be aired with Margaret Michaels playing Pam now remarried to Bobby with all differences being resolved.
To think this storyline could've been avoided by killing Pam off in 1987. But every actor always came back to Dallas so they held out hope that Victoria would. I think maybe running away after severe burns like Pam did and not wanting anyone to see you might be understandable and I could almost stomach that but Bobby not looking for the love of his life and mother of his child was unforgivable. Dallas was never the same after this. Only worthwhile things that Cidre did on the TNT version was getting to see Hagman as JR one last time and laying Pam to rest.
+dennis “menace2society” walker Cidre could at least asked VP if she wanted to be part of the new show. That way, they could've written this storyline differently. If VP said yes, they could've made Pamela return to Dallas right after the end of classic Dallas since the movies became a paralell storyline. If VP said no, they could've start the new show with an established Pamela dead and that be known for many many years. They made a huge mistake by starting Dallas 2012 without avoiding this story and they ONLY did something because fans demanded for!
I know Lorimar and the producers didn't value the female characters as much as the male. And while J.R. and Bobby were the backbone of the show, bot Sue Ellen and Pam were just as necessary to make the show interesting. When everyone else was gone except for J.R. and Bobby -- the show was at its worst!
Cliff Barnes should have let Pamela's shares of Barnes Global be passed on to her son, Christopher, instead of controlling them himself. He always was a greedy bastard. What Cliff Barnes did to his nephew was totally unforgivable. I doubt Christopher will ever forgive his uncle.
But...Pam is not his mother??? Allthough she raised him along with Bobby,...Neither Pam nor Bobby were his real parents. His father was Jeff Farraday and his mother was Kristin. I don´t know if Christopher ever was aware of that fact?
Victoria was smart to stay away from the TNT version. I'm glad it was cancelled rather than see the franchise defiled any longer. Without Larry and Victoria Dallas had two huge black holes that never got filled. A talented writing and production team could've revitalized the new generation but Cidre got so many things wrong with the continuation. Too many to count in fact. At least Pam got some dignity by trying to get back to Dallas before dying and JR had a respectful good send off. This is ALL the TNT version accomplished .
bfsgman I actually liked the new series. Of course it wasn't the same after the death of Larry Hagman, but it really did have decent storylines for today's standards. I was only 2 when the original series ended so I wasn't in on the Dallas craze of the 80's.
Wow, you're a lil' harsh there Dennis Walker. The TNT re-boot was meant to be a showcase of the next generation set against the delicious backdrop of the veteran characters. It wasn't intended to be a re-telling of the old storylines but a series featuring fresh, sexy, exciting new stories peppered with some of the familiar faces we had come to love back in the 80s. For me it was TNT that got it wrong, but rather CBS when they brought in Donna Reed to play Miss Ellie, who, if memory serves me correctly, was later kidnapped and when returned to South Fork, she was discovered in the trunk of a car and it was revealed to be Barbara Bel Gedes and NOT Donna Reed.
hotgritz4sho Cynthia Cidre the producer wasn’t interested in the Ewings. She turned the show into a Mexican telenovel that bore little resemblance to CBS Dallas. An unlikeable Bobby, a Southfork that was completely different than the original, Cliff and his personality transplant, peripheral characters no one cared about or storylines for that matter. It’s no coincidence that ratings sank like a stone after the premiere. Btw the Miss Ellie kidnapped in a trunk happened before the BBG left the second time in 1984. Reed was brought in for the 84 through 85 season. Then BBG returned for 85 through 1990.
Tito it's unsure if Cidre even asked her to return. Cidre is on record as saying no but I think they were keeping their options open or else Pam would've been dead from the start of the 2012 . The show basically dangled Principal like a carrot and used her name for publicity until Victoria put a stop to it with her statement of not wanting to return. It was one huge missed opportunity. Pam could've maybe come back after a 25 year coma with her cancer cured but the experimental treatment was very risky and untested and caused her to slip into a coma. That's the only logical way I think to bring her back. But alas not meant to be. I consider the TNT version one huge missed opportunity. To equal or even come near the original is virtually impossible .
+dennis „menace2society“ walker Totally agree with you....also the whole Pam was away for 25 years could´ve been avoided if they had just mention her in Season 1 something like my Mom lives in South America with her new husband....hinting that she returned to Dallas after the treatment in late 1991 Off Screen after "Dallas" went of the air...they still had the "killing her off screen option" if VP doesn´t wanted to return...for me this "Dallas" is not Canon afterwards...
+dennis “menace2society” walker I agree that it was a huge missed opportunity. When the new Dallas premiered they could have said that Pam died and revealed that Cliff forged a new will of hers giving him control of her shares or something. Plus Victoria Principal may not have wanted to do the New Dallas full time but she might have been willing to come back to do scenes of Pam dying
dennis walker Agree with you on this. I don't mind that they have finality to Pam Ewing, what I did mind was that they led us on a wild goose chase and led us to believe Pam was alive and Victoria may return .
dennis walker yes but it was perfect not about Pam but how Wentworth stock controlled by Pam would go to Cliff and not Christopher. And Cliff controlled Ewing oil Barnes wentworth. Oil and wentworth stock of Pam's plus supposedly Katherine was dead. It was perfect how Christopher would inherit Pam's fortune
Dennis Walker the thing is you can't force Victoria to return if she flat out isn't interested. Sure it would've been great to see her reprise the role, especially after we lost Larry Hagman as J.R., but it wasn't meant to be and no one wanted to sit through another round of Pamela doubles standing in for the real deal.
Why o Why did they not get this right...As said, there were some fantastic potential story lines that could have materialised. They ruined it. For example...Bobby Ewing, what show did they take his re-character from, certainly not Dallas as we knew it. Cliff Barnes daughter from his relationship with Afton Cooper, my god, a dynamite story line in the making , ruined. I could go on, but you all know what I mean...
Who was more mean eventually..Uncle Cliff(who made business in his sister's death) or Uncle J.R..who made a lot but not like this..Cliff should tell the sister's family what happend to her..It îs terrible for a child not to know anything about his mother and believe that she left him just like this..and the mother..I could'nt stat so long without announcing my family or nu child..."families"...
Cliff´s behavior was totally "out of character" I call it bad writting...Cynthia Cidre is to blame for this she never really watched the whole OG Series Run! In my Books its not a direct Sequel its a Alternative Sequel....
Cliff´s behavior was totally "out of character" I call it bad writting...Cynthia Cidre is to blame for this she never really watched the whole OG Series Run! In my Books its not a direct Sequel its a Alternative Sequel....
To me JR is the lesser of the two evils. I understand the motivations behind the anger, pain, and resentment Cliff harbored for decades but that is still no excuse to do what he did to Chris. JR did some bastardly things but many of them he did for the sake of his family. A family he loved to the core.
+Astraldragon1, stuff like that is why people think so little of Cliff. I mean he knew the WHOLE time what happened to his sister Pam, Christopher's mother, Bobby's first love, I mean really Cliff? He did it out of spite anyway? Despite your little feud, you could have put it aside, and told Bobby, and Christopher what was going on.
You are completely wrong. Cliff and JR did blood tests to see who the father of John Ross was and it was JR. Jeff Farraday was Christophers biological father.
Strip Teee the flashback would've been great if it was included in the episode. Who cares if it was Margaret Michaels and not Victoria . It was one scene but Margaret Michaels will always be credited as playing Pam Ewing # 2. She did a good job because she made her voice raspy due to pam's injuries.
I agree. Margaret did a good job. Her demeanor was calm and steady like Victoria's Pam too. Although she seemed a little shorter than Victoria. I never agreed that she would abandon her lil' boy and the love of her life.
there was a lot of contradiction in the reboot..Ray was back..the last time he married Gemma who.. was pregnant with Bobby's child...JR has two more other children..where were they? ..on the last movie Jon Ross Christopher and Pam knew each other.'m sorry but Elena and Christopher not a good match....and Cliff became a psychopath
Wasnt a huge fan of Dallas, even less of "Dallas lite"... but this was messed up lol...by the way, if you dont want to just hug the living hell out of Jesse metcalfe in this scene then you're an inhuman monster 😁
Rest In Peace Pamela Jean Barnes Ewing. July 14, 1989
VP should've done a voiceover reading the letter to Christopher. A nice compromise for everyone.
I'm glad the story was written this way, this was probably one of the few good things about the new show. It finally gave viewers from the original show closure concerning Pam. If you think about it, one of the things Pam always truly wanted was to start a family with Bobby, I never thought for a minute she would just abandoned Christopher and not be apart of his upbringing, there was a reason, and this story gave a good (yet heartbreaking) reason.
+ClassicLoverA And the producers ONLY gave us this because fans demanded for. They were trying to avoid this and they never talked with VP.
Tito Teixeira what are u talking about? Do u know how many times Cynthia Cidre begged Victoria Principal to come back. I read she almost gave in. She was pressured beyond belief. She again said no but was torn about it. It would've been great to see her in a cameo with Christopher even more so than Bobby.
Victoria Principal didn't come back to Dallas, because she is a successful cosmetics executive, running an corporate cosmetic empire.
Larry Hagman, mentioned this factoid a few times, with a tone of resentment in his voice!
That's why I bought all 14 seasons of the original because in order to understand the reboot, you gotta go back to the beginning. It all made sense after that. I was a small child when the show started but my mother watched it so I had to learn about it and it's a good story between the Ewings and the Barnes
I would have done it different : Christopher finds his mom in Abu Dhabi believing she abandoned him. Then Pam says she did go back to Dallas but saw Bobby , Ann and Christopher happy together . This scene made her believing that they forgot all about her. Pam goes back to Abu Dhabi in tears. Christopher brings his mom back to Dallas to talk with Bobby and Ann. Ann is jealous and worried but let thema 3 talk. Pam says that she's sorry she ran away but could not confront Bobby and her son with her injuries. Pam is glad Ann takes so good Care of her son. Pam and Ann hug it out. Pam and Bobby agree to stay good friends . Pam goes back to Abu Dhabi. She owns a burn victims hospital over there and she 's the director. She sees her brother a couple times a year. She made him promise to keep it silent. She was tired of the hatred in Dallas. Now everthing is public her son can go visit Pam in Abu Dhabi together with Cliff.
Using flashbacks could really help the newer audience understand what happened
One of the only good things that you can say about TNT Dallas was that the mystery of Pam was finally answered.
I disagree. We got to re-visit some of our beloved characters one more time, especially J.R. and Sue Ellen and Bobby. Even Lucy and Ray showed up. And Val & Gary too! All that was missing was Morgan Brittany! It wasn't a bad show. The story telling was fresh, modern and just as sexy as the original.
T James
Disagree, I loved this show
@@yourmajesty8913 Ditto!
I just they had some Victoria Principal flashbacks of her and Christopher!
L actrice à toujours refusée de revenir dans la série même sa remplaçante
I feel so sorry for both Pam and Christopher.
Heart breaking episode.
All those years Christopher thought his mother was alive and just didn't care to see him.
That broke my heart. And when he broke down I lost it right along with him. He didn't deserve that.
Cliff Barnes should have told Christopher the truth about his mother, Pamela. Instead, greed made him keep Pamela’s death from her own son-his own nephew-all because Christopher carries the Ewing name. Cliff Barnes is a real snake.
I wish Omri Katz and Joshua Harris were asked to come back and reprise their roles in the new Dalls as Christopher and John Ross. The other two actors Jesse Metcalfe and Josh Henderson were and still very cute with beautiful bodies. I just wish the producers of the new Dallas asked the original Christopher and John Ross to come back. I also thought they should have brought Donna and Ray Krebbs story line back so they could become friends again.
They wanted a darker John Ross. Omri Katz looked and was too sweet to play the part.
I wept on hearing what really happened to Pam, I knew she didn't willingly abandon Bobby and Christopher but kept wondering for years, WHERE IS SHE? As for Cliff, I've always hated him and this revelation made me hate him more. Now Christopher and Bobby can think of Pamela kindly and have closure.
They changed history a little here. Originally Pam (as portrayed by the stand-in,) wanted to stay away. She never said on air that she wanted to return to Dallas to be with Bobby & their son. The writers took that liberty of filling in the gaps and making it seem as if she had a change of heart and wanted to return. Still, I appreciate how the writers tied it all into the oil business and brought our attention right back to shares and shady corporate moves within the family. I don't think Cliff ever really considered Christopher as a true Barnes though.
But Christopher wasn't a Barnes or a Ewing. His biological mother was Kristen. Sue Ellen's sister who nearly killed J.R.
Pam left her child just like her mother did her.
@@dancastro4732 Pam was not a Barnes or Ewing either.
@@rolltide9547 not the same circumstances. And she wrote a letter to Christopher before going to Dubai for her operation. Cliff never gave Christopher the letter nor told him or Bobby Pamela died during the operation
Not sure why this was necessary on TNT Dallas. Everyone knew Victoria had laid to rest the character of Pam. I found it interesting Victoria released a media statement prior to this season screening she would not return. Blame the original Dallas writers for their poor handling of the character. Blame the TNT Dallas writers for their sloppy handling of Pam's death. Sure most viewers had closure but for Cliff to hide Pam's' death from Bobby and Christopher for all those years was appalling.
And where is Pam buried? The most logical question from Christopher would have been, "Where has my mother been laid to rest?" Strange.
+Brad Osbourne The reason that the TNT version had to address the issue was because of the number of people who wanted the character of Pam Ewing to be alive - she didn't actually die on camera ... so there were a number of good story lines that could have been written. As for Victoria Principal - she was never asked to make so much as a cameo on the TNT version, that coming from Cynthia Cidre herself ... an admission that I think really ticked the fans off to the extent that it contributed to the show being cancelled after the 3rd season. It's a shame, because Jesse Metcalfe as Christopher was awesome and I think he & Victoria Principal would have been great together onscreen!
+Brad Osbourne Why? One of this new show biggest mistake was starting without avoiding this big issue and gap in Dallas storyline. They could've avoided this scene and this so-not-real storyline by asking VP is she wanted to be a part of the show and if she said 'no' they would've made the Ewings known about her death a long time ago. It would made this much more believable.
I totally agree with you about their potential chemistry. But all the money in the world wasn't going to change Victoria's mind. She was done with that character the moment she let out that blood-curdling scream in that epic car crash. The fans can't blame Cynthia Cidre for wanting to smooth out the wrinkles in th story a bit and answer the age old question of where's Pam?
Really great compilation of the backstory. Nice work!
Tom, Chris is not JR's son. Kristen miscarried that baby. Jeff Farraday was Chris's biological father.
Mac888 spectral ok. I always thought Chris was JR biological son.
@@chiaradic813non du tout c est le fils de Jeff faraday et de krystin Shepard
I miss the recent Dallas they aired too bad it's over, I liked it and it made me excited when another episode was going to air
I do too but sadly the series went to hell after we lost Larry Hagman
Cliff was a total jerk for not telling Christopher about the death of his own mother. All Cliff wanted to do was control Pamela’s shares of Barnes Global. What a snake.
I agree. J.R. was a prick too but he would never hurt Bobby and Christopher. That's part of why he tried tracking down Pam
@@dancastro6873 That’s because J.R. Ewing always put family first. Jock and Miss Ellie drilled that into him when he was a boy.
@@maryhlad5277 I agree plus Jock was the only person J.R. feared
This could have been a great reboot of Dallas. There were some moments here and there. The show was ruined. It barely even focused on the Ewings the last season. Horrible. Made up characters like the maid who wasn't Theresa.
I love this scene where Christopher cries, when he finds out how his mother Pam died. Nice work Jesse.
GREAT editing job Shax!! I saw this as it originally aired and was a little confused because I remember there was Pam stand-in actress but wasn't sure if the character really died off screen or what. Thk God for TH-cam and savvy fans like you!
Thank You :)
Had Victoria wanted to reprise the role of Pam, they could have explained that her illness resulted in her being comatose for most of the past 20 some years -- and that she had only recently reawakened -- but still wasn't able to speak. Seeing Bobby again would have been the jolt needed to start on on the road to recovery. But being that Principal didn't return, the ending to her story was satisfactory -- if not satisfying. I think her return could have make the show a bit more interesting-- as she always had good chemistry with the old cast. But, I don't think the writing on new Dallas was near as strong as the original version.
After 20 years in a coma the brain damage would've been too severe to recover - except in Hollywood.
This sucked. Was SO unbelievable. Plus, we know Pam was NOT born in 1950 but in late 1952 or even early 1953. She could not have died without her Wentworth stock going to Bobby. Cliff would not be able to cover this up. Plus he and Bobby were pals in 1989. all they ever had to do was have Margaret michaels step into the role and explain the subtle differences as a result of the accident. But the producers were going to stick it to VP in the original and the reboot because of her leaving.
the fact that the rose bushes were cut back two inches shorter made carlos aware what was really going on after he left for work.
Earlier than that. If you watched Dallas: The Early Years it starts where the Ewings are having one of their annual Veterans Day barbeques and the year was 1951. Pam was about 4 or 5 years old.
@@jonstefanik9400 True but that movie had some inconsistencies compared to the earlier seasons of Dallas. I wish they would have stuck with the history ironed out by David Jacobs. In episode 5, Miss Ellie told Digger about the hard times of 1930 and meeting Jock around that time. The 1986 movies took its cues from the 1984-85 season where Jock was sole owner of Ewing Oil by 1932 having bought it with Jason and Digger just two years earlier. This is obviously NOT true. Jock and Digger had a partnership for years extending to at least 1939 with Jock throwing Digger out and stealing all the oil wells.....and, yes, Digger kind of asked for this. Then in the unborn scenes of the final episode, we see Jock's grave saying he was born in 1915. Amazing that at age 15, he bought an oil company. But I like what you're saying. Pam was NOT born in 1950 for sure.
@@carmenfrisicaro9890 I stand corrected. The Early Years was inconsistent. Pam was born in '53.
@@jonstefanik9400 The whole TNT fiasco and the final two years of Dallas need to go in the Dumpster. A new special should be aired with Margaret Michaels playing Pam now remarried to Bobby with all differences being resolved.
Mark has her on a Ranch someplace , He's got her doing info commercials and believing her real name is Victoria Principle ..Lol
I miss this show it was brilliant
To think this storyline could've been avoided by killing Pam off in 1987. But every actor always came back to Dallas so they held out hope that Victoria would. I think maybe running away after severe burns like Pam did and not wanting anyone to see you might be understandable and I could almost stomach that but Bobby not looking for the love of his life and mother of his child was unforgivable. Dallas was never the same after this. Only worthwhile things that Cidre did on the TNT version was getting to see Hagman as JR one last time and laying Pam to rest.
+dennis “menace2society” walker Cidre could at least asked VP if she wanted to be part of the new show. That way, they could've written this storyline differently. If VP said yes, they could've made Pamela return to Dallas right after the end of classic Dallas since the movies became a paralell storyline. If VP said no, they could've start the new show with an established Pamela dead and that be known for many many years. They made a huge mistake by starting Dallas 2012 without avoiding this story and they ONLY did something because fans demanded for!
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I know Lorimar and the producers didn't value the female characters as much as the male. And while J.R. and Bobby were the backbone of the show, bot Sue Ellen and Pam were just as necessary to make the show interesting. When everyone else was gone except for J.R. and Bobby -- the show was at its worst!
Cliff Barnes should have let Pamela's shares of Barnes Global be passed on to her son, Christopher, instead of controlling them himself. He always was a greedy bastard. What Cliff Barnes did to his nephew was totally unforgivable. I doubt Christopher will ever forgive his uncle.
But...Pam is not his mother??? Allthough she raised him along with Bobby,...Neither Pam nor Bobby were his real parents.
His father was Jeff Farraday and his mother was Kristin.
I don´t know if Christopher ever was aware of that fact?
They told him when he was 6 and he also knows that Sue Ellen is his real Aunt and John Ross is his real Cousin.
Jonny Vegasa
I wished before the show ended Bobby son Lucas would showed up.
RIP Cliff Barnes
Lol Dr David Gordon also had plastic surgery because the man in the flashback, the Man with Pam is Dr. DAVID Gordon lol
Victoria was smart to stay away from the TNT version. I'm glad it was cancelled rather than see the franchise defiled any longer. Without Larry and Victoria Dallas had two huge black holes that never got filled. A talented writing and production team could've revitalized the new generation but Cidre got so many things wrong with the continuation. Too many to count in fact. At least Pam got some dignity by trying to get back to Dallas before dying and JR had a respectful good send off. This is ALL the TNT version accomplished .
I completely agree. The only other thing I liked was the kitchen argument between John Ross and Sue Ellen. The rest of it was pure garbage.
bfsgman I actually liked the new series. Of course it wasn't the same after the death of Larry Hagman, but it really did have decent storylines for today's standards. I was only 2 when the original series ended so I wasn't in on the Dallas craze of the 80's.
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Wow, you're a lil' harsh there Dennis Walker. The TNT re-boot was meant to be a showcase of the next generation set against the delicious backdrop of the veteran characters. It wasn't intended to be a re-telling of the old storylines but a series featuring fresh, sexy, exciting new stories peppered with some of the familiar faces we had come to love back in the 80s. For me it was TNT that got it wrong, but rather CBS when they brought in Donna Reed to play Miss Ellie, who, if memory serves me correctly, was later kidnapped and when returned to South Fork, she was discovered in the trunk of a car and it was revealed to be Barbara Bel Gedes and NOT Donna Reed.
hotgritz4sho Cynthia Cidre the producer wasn’t interested in the Ewings. She turned the show into a Mexican telenovel that bore little resemblance to CBS Dallas. An unlikeable Bobby, a Southfork that was completely different than the original, Cliff and his personality transplant, peripheral characters no one cared about or storylines for that matter. It’s no coincidence that ratings sank like a stone after the premiere. Btw the Miss Ellie kidnapped in a trunk happened before the BBG left the second time in 1984. Reed was brought in for the 84 through 85 season. Then BBG returned for 85 through 1990.
Tito it's unsure if Cidre even asked her to return. Cidre is on record as saying no but I think they were keeping their options open or else Pam would've been dead from the start of the 2012 . The show basically dangled Principal like a carrot and used her name for publicity until Victoria put a stop to it with her statement of not wanting to return. It was one huge missed opportunity. Pam could've maybe come back after a 25 year coma with her cancer cured but the experimental treatment was very risky and untested and caused her to slip into a coma. That's the only logical way I think to bring her back. But alas not meant to be. I consider the TNT version one huge missed opportunity. To equal or even come near the original is virtually impossible .
+dennis „menace2society“ walker
Totally agree with you....also the whole Pam was away for 25 years could´ve been avoided if they had just mention her in Season 1 something like my Mom lives in South America with her new husband....hinting that she returned to Dallas after the treatment in late 1991 Off Screen after "Dallas" went of the air...they still had the "killing her off screen option" if VP doesn´t wanted to return...for me this "Dallas" is not Canon afterwards...
+dennis “menace2society” walker I agree that it was a huge missed opportunity. When the new Dallas premiered they could have said that Pam died and revealed that Cliff forged a new will of hers giving him control of her shares or something. Plus Victoria Principal may not have wanted to do the New Dallas full time but she might have been willing to come back to do scenes of Pam dying
dennis walker Agree with you on this. I don't mind that they have finality to Pam Ewing, what I did mind was that they led us on a wild goose chase and led us to believe Pam was alive and Victoria may return .
dennis walker yes but it was perfect not about Pam but how Wentworth stock controlled by Pam would go to Cliff and not Christopher. And Cliff controlled Ewing oil Barnes wentworth. Oil and wentworth stock of Pam's plus supposedly Katherine was dead. It was perfect how Christopher would inherit Pam's fortune
Dennis Walker the thing is you can't force Victoria to return if she flat out isn't interested. Sure it would've been great to see her reprise the role, especially after we lost Larry Hagman as J.R., but it wasn't meant to be and no one wanted to sit through another round of Pamela doubles standing in for the real deal.
Why o Why did they not get this right...As said, there were some fantastic potential story lines that could have materialised.
They ruined it. For example...Bobby Ewing, what show did they take his re-character from, certainly not Dallas as we knew it.
Cliff Barnes daughter from his relationship with Afton Cooper, my god, a dynamite story line in the making , ruined.
I could go on, but you all know what I mean...
Horrible ending to Pamela’s character !!
what a stink way to end pam in dallas....would of been a lot better if she stayed around
Who was more mean eventually..Uncle Cliff(who made business in his sister's death) or Uncle J.R..who made a lot but not like this..Cliff should tell the sister's family what happend to her..It îs terrible for a child not to know anything about his mother and believe that she left him just like this..and the mother..I could'nt stat so long without announcing my family or nu child..."families"...
Cliff´s behavior was totally "out of character" I call it bad writting...Cynthia Cidre is to blame for this she never really watched the whole OG Series Run! In my Books its not a direct Sequel its a Alternative Sequel....
Cliff´s behavior was totally "out of character" I call it bad writting...Cynthia Cidre is to blame for this she never really watched the whole OG Series Run! In my Books its not a direct Sequel its a Alternative Sequel....
Excuses for some mistakes, the technology and rush..
"I could'nt stay" and "my child"...
Gezz Cliff makes JR look like a Saint. and with JR's Reputation that's not easy.
To me JR is the lesser of the two evils. I understand the motivations behind the anger, pain, and resentment Cliff harbored for decades but that is still no excuse to do what he did to Chris.
JR did some bastardly things but many of them he did for the sake of his family. A family he loved to the core.
+Astraldragon1, stuff like that is why people think so little of Cliff. I mean he knew the WHOLE time what happened to his sister Pam, Christopher's mother, Bobby's first love, I mean really Cliff? He did it out of spite anyway? Despite your little feud, you could have put it aside, and told Bobby, and Christopher what was going on.
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they should have had some of the original actors/ plots/ lives/ included more.
Isnt that what Margret Michaels said in tv season 11?
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shacks29 I hope they wernt asking woman who has been saying no for the past 25 years to come back.LOL..
I think it would have been nice to see Margaret Michaels come back in Dallas 2012...!!..XD
@@MrCraigblaze Tanya Roberts would've been good as Pam too had Pam lived. Tanya like Margaret and Victoria is gorgeous
chris ,is actually jr 's son with kristin,,, and john ross is really the son of cliff with sue ellen .
You are completely wrong. Cliff and JR did blood tests to see who the father of John Ross was and it was JR. Jeff Farraday was Christophers biological father.
OOH MY GOD ,,, the blood test was switched did u miss that episode ,,, lol
I know these are very old comments, but you were joking, right? Christopher was not JR's son.
In the original Dallas Cliff wanted a paternity test, and it proved JR was John Ross father.
+Rosaetta smith, things would have been hell of different if Cliff Barnes had been John Ross father. That would have REALLY changed things forever.
Rosaetta smith
I’m pretty sure that happened in the early seasons and was soon proven to be false?
That´s pretty good,love the bw flashback!
Strip Teee the flashback would've been great if it was included in the episode. Who cares if it was Margaret Michaels and not Victoria . It was one scene but Margaret Michaels will always be credited as playing Pam Ewing # 2. She did a good job because she made her voice raspy due to pam's injuries.
I agree. Margaret did a good job. Her demeanor was calm and steady like Victoria's Pam too. Although she seemed a little shorter than Victoria. I never agreed that she would abandon her lil' boy and the love of her life.
soon thereafter is bad wording. it should have been shortly thereafter or soon after
I loved the first two seasons of this reboot. But it should’ve ended after the second season with JR’s death and the framing of Cliff for it.
I knew this show wouldn't make it. Nothing like the original
there was a lot of contradiction in the reboot..Ray was back..the last time he married Gemma who.. was pregnant with Bobby's child...JR has two more other children..where were they? ..on the last movie Jon Ross Christopher and Pam knew each other.'m sorry but Elena and Christopher not a good match....and Cliff became a psychopath
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The movies aren’t canon to the new tv series, and a lot of those other points can be easily explained away
Rewrite of history. Cliff had Ewing oil in final original episode. Pam had wentworth industries and wentworth tool and die.
but she had an affair with the gardener after carlos left for work.
Wrong Show lol
Wasnt a huge fan of Dallas, even less of "Dallas lite"... but this was messed up lol...by the way, if you dont want to just hug the living hell out of Jesse metcalfe in this scene then you're an inhuman monster 😁