What Happened To Black Moon? Lost Greats Of The 90s! Stunted Growth Music
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ส.ค. 2024
- Today’s feature is a group from the 90s featuring Buckshot, 5ft, and DJ Evil Dee, that became one of my favorites from the underground scene. Their music is highly respected in that space, and one listen to their latest “Rise Of The Black Moon” album, released in 2019 will help you understand why. Their lyrical skill as artist that’s been around 30+ years is still flawless in delivery, subject matter, and creative originality. Add to that, production from their longtime producer and DJ Evil Dee aged just as well, or even better since making the switch to more Lo-Fi instrumentation. Not too many of today’s era know about Black Moon, and even some from their era don’t remember how much potential and expectations to be the next to blow from New York they had in the 90s. Their first album is considered an underground classic. While it didn’t go platinum and create a ship this group could sail comfortably into mainstream household names, it did and does receive grand reviews from album critics and hip hop purest. An argument can be made that Black Moon is the best group from the early 90s that’s still together and still rapping in hip hop today, releasing some of their best work as time went on. What happened to Black Moon though? They seemed to have it all but never really blew for these reasons. What Happened To Black Moon? Lost Greats Of The 90s! Stunted Growth Music
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Black moon, Smif-n-Wesson ,Heltah Skelta, OGC... BOOT CAMP was the cliq! I gotcha Open (Remix) STAYS in rotation!
Solid Team Straight From BKLYN
Man that first album is hip hop in its purest form
Facts
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Straight Hip Hop Classic Material Enter The Stage
Straight Hip Hop Classic Material Enter The Stage
Yeah that album was the very best
Coming from Brownsville where most of the group comes from and was a teenager in the early to mid '90s there's no stunted growth they never tried to go mainstream they saw what Diddy was doing & they wanted no parts of that they knew their lane they never broke up the reason why they never fell apart is because they had their own record label and management company before anyone back then even thought about ownership that's how they maintained for 30 years now.
Very well said
@@DJMYSTERYYGC Jerry Adams thank my Brother
Exactly
@@thisizdub thisIZdub big facts
Facts hommie, truer words never been spoke my G...
I was a teenager during this time. In the 90s it was all about being real. It's completely opposite now. They weren't stunted. They just didn't sell out.
We'll said.
Not true... it wasn't about keeping it real. Even Eazy E saw that half way through the decade. Pranksta, pranksta studio gangsta
@@cwrichardson3What are you talking about? It was all about keeping it real, even more than getting rich at that time. It was about real skills, originality, and repping where you are from. 80's and 90's were the best decades for hip hop. 2000's and beyond, to me began a slow and steady decline.
And it is that mentality that got them linked with PAC. If PAC had not died we would not be having this conversation. BCC still holding it down. RIP Sean Price
Who Got Da Props still slaps. One of my favorite songs since 10th grade and I'm 45 now.
Facts
When I go to old school sets , “who got the props” comes on I’m immediately transported back to the 90’s.
2024 still bumpin!
Damn! I was a huge fan of the era of music! The 90s. Hip-hop at it's purest form. BARS and sound mattered.
Buckshot had 1 of the coolest rap voices I've ever heard.
Sean Price RIP threw Duckdown on his back and kept it going. Buckshot did the Don't Front remix with Em. For a few years I literally only listened to Wu and BCC
That's how I was with Bone Thugs N Harmony I didn't listen to nobody but them til Master P came out I missed out on a ton of great hip hop I was super young tho
I never thought of them as stunted. I always thought of them as real hiphop.
Who got the props and how many MC’s is STILL in rotation
Real Heavy Real Music 🔥🎤
Buck 'em down remix too.
@@whooelse9444 yup, & U Know I Got U Open
How many mcs is a classic and I got ya opin remix and buck em down remix was 🔥
I guess at your house
I can't fully say they were stunted .. at least not Buckshot. The deal w/ Nervous taught buck about the bizness and led to him and Drew starting duckdown.. it moved him more into a business roll and allowed him to put other groups on. As far as I'm concerned, he's still winning.
Agreed 💯 percent!
Facts… SP rip still one of best out of Brooklyn.
Not stunted! Evil Dee and Mr Walt still doing the culture long gev styles. True success is not the one advertised by the record labels selling fake dreams.
Industry wise but not artistic wise
Salute to Black Moon. Some of the greats from the 90s still doing it and didn't conform to the modern sound of hip hop. Their "Rise of Da Moon album released in 2019 is still fire!!
How about M.O.P.?
UGK?
@@theapex8973 definitely M.O.P
Yung LA and Young Dro
You made a mistake, buckshot is not from Brownsville. He's from crown heights.
I still listen to enta da stage true hip hop head classic but iykyk
It was a HIP HOP CLASSIC…not just underground
Underground.. West coast n dirty South etc
Nah just underground . You can tell the story of hip hop without mentioning it
@@jeffkeys8703 some albums like 400 Degreez are only called a down south classic. Brotha Lynch album Season of the Siccness is called a West Coast classic. Some albums are called a Underground classic like Enta Da Stage
Indeed! #bcc
Cuz who got the props and how many emcees and other remixes DEFINITELY got radio play back in the day.. that era was different
I remember stand in the back yard with my brother and his best friends listening to black moons first album on cd on repeat astonishing us with there style.
If you're just focusing on the group itself, stunted growth may apply. But if you're talking about the whole BCC and Duck Down, their impact on the industry and how long they have been together shows something of growth that hasn't been stunted. Smiff -N-Wessun, OGC, Heltah Skeltah, and Buckshot himself as executive has branded themselves as legends in the game at this point. Beyond Black Moon, the whole Duck Down camp has been relevant in hip hop for almost 30 years. Good video with good points being made, but don't really agree with stunted growth as it goes deeper than just Black Moon. Similar to the Wu Tang and GZA videos you made a while back ago. Some artists are destined to not go mainstream as it may not be a good fit for them and can still be successful and that's the end goal no matter where your placement is
Exactly. There are so many artists who was never meant to go mainstream, then they went mainstream and it killed there career
To be honest, I still listen to their music. "This Goes Out To You" is my mantra. I can't go a day without listening to it, either at work, at home, or even at the gym. I have played that song so much that my husband is tired of it and so was my brother, RIP, and he was a radio DJ. As far as mainstream, I agree. In regards to everything else, they deserve the utmost respect.
During my childhood, my entire life revolved around Boot Camp Clik as well as Wu. U have to make a stunted growth video about BCC. All that talent, I’m still hurt that they weren’t more successful commercially.
Bcc growth stunt needs to happen.
Black Moon is one of the greatest groups in hip hop. But in the 90's there were a lot of competition. Wu-Tang, Das Efx, Mobb Deep, Onyx, A Tribe Called Quest, Naughty by Nature, Brand Nubian, EPMD, House of Pain, Fugees, M.O.P., Group Home, Main Source, Junior Mafia, Lost Boyz, Capone N Noreaga, Flipmode Squad, Terror Squad, The Lox, Dip Set, G-Unit etc.
@Prince Ronnie You don't have any Westcoast or Down South rap acts like Goodie Mob, Outkast, Geto Boys, Souls of Mischief, The Pharcyde, The Dogg Pound, WC and the Maad Circle, and others on your list. I love New York Hip Hop too but there is a lot of talent all throughout the U.S.
@@russelladams7134 You're right and with the West Coast and Down South groups, Black Moon still got lost in the shuffle those groups surpassed them. I just have NY/NJ hip hop groups on my list.
Not to be an asshole but Group Home and Lost Boyz were trash. 🤣
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@@princemastaking Thier first album was in 93. Their second album was in 99 and was given nuff respect in the Hip-Hop arena. Some of the groups you mentioned faded away during that 6 year stretch. Group Home and MOP did not surpass Black Moon with thier debuts nor radio play during the 90s.
During quarantine I found out about Black Moon, I was just tryna find out more about how Hip Hop was in the 90s to add on my playlist, then I ran into "Who Got Tha Props" that shit made me instantly get attached to Black Moon, it's crazy how they never got mainstream because they would've took over.
I still has this CD! Yes it was a classic yet because it debuted the same year as Doggystyle and Wu it went relatively under the radar commercially. You can HEAR the sound of east coast rap changing from song to song ON THIS ALBUM! For that reason alone it is culturally significant.
Black moon first album was great!!!!!! All songs were fire
If u love hip hop they still in rotation..
"I Gotcha Opin" and "Who Got The Props" were underground anthems back in the day.
I was waiting for a Boot Camp Clik feature on this channel because they could have been the next Wu.
They did their thing but the sound changed which happens quickly in music.
Their style didn't change a lot from the boom bap to the trap era which didn't probably endear them to a younger audience but it's why their fanbase loves them.
Enter the stage was a classic. It was the epitome of that grimey east coast sound.
Heltah Skeltah, particularly Sean Price eventually surpassed them out of being the most impactful artist out of the Boot Camp Cliq because Price was the most charismatic emcee out of the collective.
Even Price reinvented himself though. I think Black Moon or Buckshot never truly found a mainstream foothold after the year 2000.
Trap era way after in the mid 00s. After the boom bap era, we had the shiny suit/80s song sampling and afterwards soul/chipmunk/crunk sampling era. After that trap emerge.
What messed everything up for boot camp clik was there debut album in 97 with production from the dabeatminerz. Duo producers were missing piece for that album. Had they produce that album, boot camp clik would've been successful crew.
@@maroon9273 Shiny suit era led to bling bling era 😂. Two eras that I would like to soon forget.
97 - 2005 was an interesting transition for hip hop. It seems like a lot of what happened in the early 2000's was influenced by alternative 90s rap styles.
Nelly picked up some of his style from Bone Thugs N Harmony as well as Crucial Conflict.
Crunk is also derivative of Miami bass music like Two Live Crew.
The irony of all this is if you ask me is TI put out Trap Music in like 2002 but yet it doesn't sound nothing sonically like trap music that we think of that is popular today which got a lot of roots from 36 Mafia, Atlanta bass and ironically T Pain with the use of the auto tune.
@@Unpackaged_Vinyl Feel you on everything but one thing. The shiny suit era wasn't really an era. It only lasted a year and a half at the most DMX changed that true story
@@crackztvdaddy8817 Fair point. It occurred around 97-98. Bling Bling era was right after though from about 99 - 2004. DMX just happened to have his run which occurred during that era of hip hop. East Coast was still trying to hold on while the South was rising with bling rap and crunk rap. That time period was the changing of the guard.
The south would dominate the mainstream influence of the sound after that.
@@Unpackaged_Vinyl the south always had trend setters and I'm from the Bronx but you can't deny the impact on the culture rap a lot was banging in the '80s
I'm impressed as a young man that you know about Black Moon
The thumbs up came with the acknowledgment of this group!
Growing up in the Bronx back then they was on especially black moon and the other group Group Home...they all got the real,raw east coast beats at the time.
BX all day! I loved Group Home too!🗽
Real talk, people talk about Enter The Wu, Ready To Die, and Illmatic starting the whole "hardcore" boom bap direction of hip-hop in the mid 90s, but no one ever mentions Enta Da Stage kicking it off especially since the singles and album was released months prior to those 3. The samples were influential, the production was not dated, and even Buckshot's, 5Ft's, and Smif N Wessun's flow was less exaggerated than Onyx, M.O.P. or Redman, yet had that attitude people who liked them flocked to. If that album wasn't under Nervous but rather Loud Records, Def Jam, or Elektra, Enta Da Stage would've been known as the gamechanging album despite the minimal subject matter.
Plus, baccdafucup as well. Both of those albums changed the landscape of east coast sound and rapping abilities. Even I'll add return of the boom bap album from krs one and tribe called quest midnight maurders on the list. Enter da stage would've had a platinum plaque with a bigger record label, polished up and would've been released a month later or two.
Probably because those albums success greatly overshadowed that of Enta Da Stage..if anything it’s an interesting footnote in the story of hip hop
This episode was GREAT!! They were one of my favorite groups of that era!! I still play that cd often. It brings back Good memories for me!! I always wondered what happened with them! I follow Evil Dee on mixcloud. They DEFINITELY could have been BIGGER!! Either way they still are a part of my me!!! 🙏🏼😎👍🏽
Every debut album from each group in bcc was a classic.
💯💯💯💯💯
ENTA DA STAGE is my ABSOLUTE FAVORITE rap album of ALL TIME.
Black Moon and Smif-N-Wessun should have waited and signed to LOUD Records like Wu, Mobb Deep and later Big Pun.
Not bad to be on the roster with those guys, but I think they were better situated where they were as I think they would've gotten lost in the shuffle on Loud.
@@foggylungs not really, because Loud Records was for the streets. Plus the songs like Who Got The Props, I Got Cha Opin(Remix), Bucktown, all getting radio spins with the right promotion and marketing, they would have been alright just like Mobb Deep and Wu.
And they would have at least went GOLD.
I agree which is a shame.Evil Dee play alot of early Mobb Joints on the radio and Hav and Buck are cuzs
So you’re just going to overlook their history with TuPac.
Also this group went on to become part of a larger movement with Boot Camp Clik that within itself had a huge following/movement.
You have some good info here, but I feel like there’s way too much information left out of BlackMoon and more specifically BuckShot Shorty, Smif n Wessun , Ogc, Helta Skeltah
Agreed
@@Brother-SP Bootcamp was damn near Wu-Tang level, that has to be mentioned 🔥
Them niggaz were down with 2pac .they got songs in the vault
💯💯💯
They are fully fledged legend in Hip-Hops history. These years when they were inactive were the big years for the rest of BCC. Smif-N-Wessun, Heltah Skeltah, OGC all dropped in the mid to late 90s. Buck & Evil dee are all over these albums. Instead of switching it up & going for mansions and fancy sports cars, they went for nice houses and decent cars by staying true to themselves. They will forever have my respect. I'm Boot Camp life.
P!!!!
The first song I heard from this group was I Got Cha Opin and I was hooked. Buckshot is one of my all time favourites and I personally think that they never cared to be mainstream. If you listen to their music, it would and still does fly over mainstream people's heads "the people who judge based on who's hot and or whatever gimmick they're doing to get attention".
I appreciate that they're not out there and or watered down their image. Thank you
.im not even familiar with this group I'll have to check em out, thanks
They were a bit unfortunate to not blow AFTER Puffy et al took hip hop way mainstream. They didn't have the corporate approach to compromise on the hard street stuff and as such reverted to street legends with modest commercial success.
@@vdotme .damn, its cool they never lost the passion & werent split up due to bitterness
Listen to enta da stage, that first album go hard!
Enta Da Stage is a raw banger - timeless classic.
Nervous Records will always get props just for having such a cool logo/"mascot"
Local? You're crazy! Who Got Tha Props was a smash! Who Got Tha Props came out and I went to my record store here in Daly City in the Bay Area. I still have my 2 original copies. When I play that till this day it keeps the dance floor going nuts! Stunted never happened G
I know Buck....met him on the train years ago ...good peoples....and Dee...He knew my (now 27 y.o.) son when they he gave back to youth at DJ Academy (that Jam Master Jay started before his passing)........ they deserves ALLLLL the flowers while they're still here.....They're LEGENDARY.....
ENTER THE STAGE IS STILL A LANDMARK CLASSIC TO THIS DAY FACTS
Stunted Growth... Please do an episode on Das Efx
I wouldnt say they had a stunted growth. They were underground and stuck to a regional sound. We are in a completely different era now and ppl todaybwill not know who they are. Thats the natural progression of music.
Thank you always
This one of my favorite groups from the 90 💯💯💯💯🔥🔥🔥🔥
They were one of the best !! Real hip hop
I remember buying their tape back in the days not knowing who they were...but I was happy with who I discovered. U should do Group Home soon
Do jeru the damaja, group home, showbiz & A.G., O.C., smif-n-wessun, cnn etc…
LEGENDS
This was the type of rap I changed the channel when it came on Rap City or Yo Mtv Raps. That being said I wish New York still stuck with this sound
Thanks for this black moon is one of my favorites
WOW! You got da props J.C. on classic group. Thx Bro!!!
It’s 2024. I’m still rocking BCC and the heads.
RIP SEAN PRICE 🙏
REQUEST: Can you do a video on the Lost Boys? And MC LYTE? And Big Daddy Kane?
All of them especially the lost boyz is long overdue.
Buckshort Shorty was dope had potential to be a big deal in hip hop. Could you also do videos on both Boot Camp kliq and the best rapper in the whole crew, Sean Price aka Ruck
SG, you should do Boss, a female gangsta rapper from Detroit, who got exposed by the Wall-Street Journal as being a rich girl who went to private school. She was gorgeous, by the way, and was one of the best gangsta rappers of the early '90s before she got exposed.
BOSS would be perfect for this channel
Powerful impact
U da man
How many mc’s
Black smith-n- wessun
Are my favourites, had this album in 93 when I was 16 , still listen to it to this day
Would like to see a video on Ak skills , the dude had some hot tracks back in the 90’s
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm subscribed to Duck Down Music! 🔥
Don't front..u know I gotcha OPEN..I was there at that moment in time.. they was hard..u had to live that time to truly understand..at the height of their shit they performed at Morgan State university campus, so did Redman and MethodMan..I think it was homecoming... good memories, they was dope!
It was weed smoking music. I am 48 and miss that era badly
At the time they were some hip hop groups that never made out of the underground
Their best music has to be "Enta da Stage"!💥😬
Black moon is criminally underrated. Please do Smif N Wessun, Heltah Skeltah & O.G.C.
To add…. With Buckshot & Dru Ha managing the rest of Duckdown, they really didn’t put a lot of effort into Black Moon. They kept putting all of their homies on. Heltah Skeltah, OGC, Smif N Wessun. The whole bootcamp clique was good, I always wondered what would’ve happened if Evil Dee kept some of those beats for Black Moon and Dru Ha worked more on their label situation.
Plus, Mr. Walt and evil dee produced majority of the tracks on boot camp clik debut album.
FINALLY!!!!!
They never had that mainstream success
You should do one on J-Live out of Brooklyn
Boot camp clik was another wutang💯
You should do Diggin In The Crates Crew(Lord Finesse, Diamond D, OC, Big L, Fat Joe, Bucwild, Showbiz & AG)
I wish they made two albums in 97 and 99 before big L died. I know for sure big pun would've been official member had they made a couple albums. Especially after his debut album. It is long overdue growth stunt.
@@maroon9273 love DITC, but Big Pun was smart signing with Loud Records
Enta Da stage is one of the first if not "The First" real Hip Hop Albums I ever heard and was a huge influence of me becoming such a huge hip Hop fanatic .. a true masterpiece
How many emcees must get dissed and who got da props are classics
Enta da stage was def a soundtrack of my younger years. Perfect album, perfect time in hip hop.
They was down with OGC and boot Camp click... they was all dope actually nervous records was fire in that era
Stunted Growth for Black Moon? They were pretty successful plus the spin off groups were successful and some of them were even successfully as single artists.
Smif n Wessun probably drop the best Album from that era Da Shinin which a Masterpiece to this day
Greetings, love your videos, Brother. Could you do a video about Freestyle Fellowship?
The Stunted Growth we didn’t know we needed! Now you gotta do Heltah Skeltah, Smif-N-Wessun, OGC, basically the whole BCC! Let’s go!
smif n wessun isnt stunted. they're still together putting out music. HS and OGC would be a good story though
@@blacknature most acts that he covers still put out music, their growth was still stunted.
Nice job
Boot Camp Click!!!
Should do the B.U.M's from Oakland CA
It was actually a good move to sign with Nervous because it allowed them to make that album exactly how they wanted, but I do agree they got stuck by signing long term. Unfortunately a lot of groups got shelved like that.
You Should Do A Sean Price Piece!!! #Ruck
Do SEAN PRICE!!!!
I only remember that one album being relevant throughout there entire career...
Can you do a video for Ras Kass?
One of my favorite groups
World wide BCC forever.... super Growth
50 yrs rock the Bells .they hit they entered da stage hole BCC
IMO. Once the Beatminerz collabs stopped the quality of the music went down south
Cella Dweller’s, Lost Boyz, Wordsworth or Camp Lo plz and thnx you. Still got these on my iPhone Music from my CDs.
Please do Bone Thugz-N-Harmony next
I still have my cassette single with Who's Got tha Props and F**k it up?. Still bang it!
BLACK MOON is history!! Duck Down is History!!!! =SEAN P!!!!!!
Real Hiphop!
They didn't take that door to homo land and I'm so proud of them
I forgot about these guys
BLACK MOON
I remember buckshot kilt that Eric b & Rakim beat & the salt n Peppa everybody get up.
Was that on a funk master flex tape ? They had a video for it too
It twas I just googled it lol. Gotta love this technology.
These were the brothers that made Reality? "Killing every nigga in sight", right? Just was made aware of that in '21 on 1 of the many underground hip-hop channels here on the platform.
I *love* that song. It is peak 90s era boom-bap style East Coast hip-hop.
They had priority records as a distribution but it came later. Classic remix singles but had a dope crew. Should do the rest of the squad like helter skelter…ogc…etc….u gotta talk about SEAN PRICE…
I was there up in priority / duck down offices
Black Moon still makes DOPE HIPHOP MUSIC. Their latest albums is RUGGED.