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Appreciate y'all watching! I know not everyone enjoys the gear talk but seeing as this camera makes a lot of appearances on the channel I wanted to share how I feel after almost a year of use.
Well the cam is 6000, ok, but the lenses are also expensive on Leica, 6k-11k.
And a M11 kit with 5 lenses can reach 50-60k.
You can get everything you need in 20k with other brands and end up with better results.
And those colors are subjective.
In 13k you can have a whole Red Komodo rig.
Panasonic is a great option for those who want similar performance without the Leica tax. Leica cameras are awesome though. The extra premium you pay for the experience can definitely be worth it if you're into the way a camera feels.
I feel like I need to try it now 😛😛
I guess it's a fair assessment. There's great cameras out there at the moment and Leica has a premium price tag. But hey, if you can comfortably afford it AND you enjoy using it AND it gets the job done, why not? I really don't get why some people feel the need to defend the brand they use so much. Like, you need to be almost apologetic when using Leica ("I know it's overprices, but...") or people using other brands feeling superior because they've spent less. Why can't people just be happy with the gear they have instead of focussing on what others use.
Likely because they're looking for a way (consciously or subconsciously) to justify whatever amount of money they've invested into these things since they aren't cheap in the long-term. An attack, or even a good faith comparison/critique on a camera is then taken personally by a lot of people.
@@normandy2501 On the other hand, people who can't afford it see it as a waste of money or just get plain envious about the fact that even non serious but wealthy people can afford it.
I know this is a year old but the reality is today there are cameras from canon and Sony that are also $6,000… even the canon r5 is around $4,000. With the exception of crazy good AF, they don’t really offer much more. Need to look at the bigger picture. And since this review, the SL2-S with the latest firmware is in a good spot for people wanting the simple no nonsense menus and great built quality of the SL series and the Leica color science.
After looking back on some old wedding photos, I realized that I much preferred the look of the pictures from my cameras that had 16-30mp. I looked at a lot of photos, and the ones that I really liked were shot with a Leica. I bought a leftover new TL2 and truly became a Leica enthusiast (I do have the overpriced viewfinder). I ended up selling my Sony A7R3 to buy a barely used 24mp Leica SL. I have to agree with you, the colors are truly amazing. My only complaint is that, on occasion, I miss phase detection autofocus; but contrast is so much more accurate I am getting used to focusing differently.
Bought a Sl2s and it was definitely the right choice for me.
Camera looks sleek!
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Why you don't use leica?
@@joelareizaga8730 sony’s money truck might be the reason..
@@fauzanazhima o that's the reason HAHHA . Eany way . I think it's much better Leica Well in some other scenarios :p
Thanks for the honest review! Was always a bit intrigued by these cameras but gotta admit I couldn't justify that purchase knowing about the low light performance, autofocus and poor battery life.
Love love my SL2. Sold all my Canon gear for it. And one SL 75mm APO. Super happy.
Fujifilm GFX 100S or the GFX 50S II (when it comes out).
Beautiful camera but a $6000 camera should not have any cons.
I'm tempted by the SL cameras. I prefer shooting manual focus and I could get some small M-mount lenses and use those, then get a film M body and have fun with that on vacation or something.
loved this video. i was sooo close to pulling the trigger on the sl2 … however after buying the m10 (my dream camera) i approached my work camera without the leica lust and ended up with the r5 haha
Personally if i had that money to spend i would go with the Sony a1. But i must say that leica's files are something else
Would love to see some of the RAW files for these types of images to see how much latitude you have with the colours compared to my Sony. It's hard to know how much of it is the camera and how much is your editing style, but I feel like you got a similar look from your Fuji cameras. They also have some great colour science though.
More importantly... Dustin or Conor? I'm thinking Dustin gets the job done again, he's a beast at 155.
I had a M10-P, but traded it in & got the SL2-S + Leica 24-70 combo. The main reason for this is I just could not get on with the Rangefinder, but more so I just enjoy using an EVF, specially how it makes nailing your exposure so easy. I just kept having to look at my screen to see if the M10-P metered correctly and often it did not expose like I expected (tried all the metering modes, exposure comp used.. it's just not consistent). Really enjoying the SL2-S & 35 Summicron combo with the L to M adapter.
I have the same combo SL2S and the 24 to 70. I also got the 50mm Summilux M lens (with the adapter that I got free when I bought the camera). It's just so awesome. The video is amazing.
Now that the new FW is out - I definitely think the AF has improved a ton.
I’m considering an SL2 to adapt a boatload of ef mount Zeiss glass. Keeping the R5 for some rf L glass, giving my R to my fiancé with some cheaper Rf glass (bought her the 16, 24 and 50 1.8). Also added a Q2M and m246mono for dailys. Think it’s a plan and I’m so done for 10 years!
good review Evan ! Leicas are expensive but the haptics / ergonomics and general joy of using make it worth it for me. How about trading the SL2 for the SL2-S? A few used ones started appearing on eBay. I have an SL2-S with the new SL24-70 lens. It's a beast and low light performance is great.
I hear you. Just got the SL2S with the 24-70 bundle (with Free M to L adapter until October). Saved $1050. Good deal with the bundle. I can adapt my 35 1.4 and 50 1.4 Summilux lenses with the great EVF and IBIS of the SL2S. After using the Leica SL2S, the R5 and A7R3, feel like toy cameras. With that said, they do have amazing autofocus, and if you're a sports or wildlife photographer, don't get the SL2S. But for my purposes, the SL2S is perfect. There's something to be said about the look and feel of a Leica.
The images and footage of your friends Mural project are fabulous Evan and you covered every single possible angle in a very short time it seems.
love the switch from a close up of his glasses to the overhead
Didn't expect the Rolex/Tudor example from the guy rocking an Apple watch 😬
Great video as always though 🙌
Great review! Would love to see some SOOC shots side by side with other cameras like the R5 and A1 to see how they compare.
Absolutely love the Leica files, have a Leica Q.
Was looking at getting a SLS2, but as I have Nikon glass and a D700, picked up a D850 instead for now.
Great video, enjoyed this.
Tudor is way cooler than Rolex IMO, I chose a pelagos over a Sub, understated but quality. But cool analogy in your video.
Another great video Evan!! Your on my short list of must watch you tubers…;) I used to live in the ATL area for a short time while aervicing in the navy…”Marietta”
Just found your channel from watching another photographer, who mentioned you - Jason Webber (kind of fell off the face of the earth the last few months). If the Leica brand is what you like, stay with it, they hold their value, sell it and get the SL2-S and another Sigma lens. Plus, I can tell you like being associated with the brand. You walk into a shoot with a Leica and it will snowball into more business. I bought a Tudor big block chronograph 15 years ago for $1200, it's worth over $10K now, and I get stopped all the time by collectors. Going to check out your clothing line, maybe I'll get a sweatshirt, it's cold today in Chicago.
I'm looking at getting an SL2, possibly an SL3 once it's released and I'm so curious as to which lens you have on your SL2 in this video. (Silver one). Many thanks and awesome content!
Opinion Warning!!! We're all friends here right? Leica is definitely a niche/boojie camera brand. I don't really see myself getting a Leica unless they come way down in price. I would love to have a full frame range finder style camera, so I'd be looking at the Q2 or the M series if anything. Just not the Leica price. I think that Sony and Canon could easily get you similar/better results and features for a lot less money (especially in the low light performance)….. Of course that’s if they were interested in that body style of camera again. Love the content and learn a lot from watching. Thank You!
Canon, Sony, Nikon. No soul. Leica is on another level build wise. Plus a firmware update is coming to shore up the focus system etc. It’s already out for the SL2-S. Incredible features coming. Leica glass is also on par if not exceeding Canon, Nikon and Sony. All these systems including Fuji and Olympus are great. But when I pick up my SL2, I’m like wow can’t wait to start shooting.
Love the video - thanks! How would you compare getting this vs the Q2 (assuming the type of work you do is fine with the fixed lens?
I keep toying with the idea of getting an SL2-S to complement my Q2, but find myself thinking "Why bother?" The Q2 is giving me everything I need except a long-telephoto capability. And the Q2 is emphatically not a "luxury" camera- it's pure function. Even my wife, who was previously averse to "fancy" cameras with "all those knobs and dials", loves it.
Just found your channel. Great job reviewing the experience
Bought my SL2-S and can’t be more happy about it ! Beast camera !
Shoulda saved $1200 and bought the Canon R5, would have gotten way more camera for less.
Poor AF
Wanna do this mistake too.
I am coming from APS-C anyway, so the noise of the 47MP are as much as the same as 24 on a smaller sensor I guess.
At least more or less.
The only things that bothers me are that Sigma have not released a 70-200 2.8 L-Mount and the battery life.
Also the AF is a problem, but my old APS-C camera doesn't have a very capeable AF as well and I only need it for longer zoom lenses, because of focus by wire it sometimes slows you down too much to turn and turn and turn the focus wheel.
So it is only for the long end a problem.
I would use it for landscapes and street where you sometimes need AF and sometimes not.
I would also buy it used from retailers, so there is a saving of 1/4th to 1/3rd.
But would be an R5 or A7RIV be cheaper? For sure, but not that much in the overall conclusion of my lense set up(of course Leica lenses but also other L and M mount lenses).
Also the SL2 got something, its design, its built quality and yes, that it is a Leica comes in as well.
But like Samuel L. Streetlife mentioned in its videos "shit leica camera owners say"(with a lot Leica owners making fun of themselves) shows, there are some too pretentious, some can laugh about themselves and some are using them as tools, without making a big deal out of it.
Maybe with a SL with the 61MP from the Sigma FP L they will solve some problems with battery and AF.
But yeah, definitely not something for everyone I guess, but thats a good thing, we should buy what makes us more creative.
As much as I romanticize being a Leica shooter, I think being tangential with it and going for the Panasonic S line is the move for me. You having the SL did spark my initial interest in L mount cameras though so I have to thank you for that. As far as Leicas go though, I’ll probably stick to my M mount film camera for the time being. It’s enough of a fun/passion camera to keep me happy. The Panny will be for the professional stuff.
I nearly sold both my kidneys for this camera, however reality hit me and I couldn't press buy. I ended up going the Panasonic way.
As a Lumix S1 user I‘d say you went the right route mate.
I never knew this camera existed..damn how many cameras are out there
Interesting, insightful and useful. I'm using a SL (the first type) and very happy with that, especially with my R lenses as I'm very happy with manual focus for most photos (Video is a different matter though!). But I can't see any point in trading it for an SL2S.
That's what I tell all my friends. Get a nice used SL for $ 2'500 (Europe) and spend on glass. No other system currently offers that flexibility and you can use SL, R, M, Sigma, Panasonic, Nikon, Zeiss used glass.
No question, just a thanks for the great content.
Really appreciate you!
Ngl I treat your videos like a Netflix series. Wait for you to upload a bunch of videos and binge them 😂 just me???
Same here lol
Got one, love it, thrilled i bought it. Evan you’re absolutely wrong on the price tag and I really do not get the Leica is expensive line when referring to this camera. The body is on a par with Canon and Nikon. And the ‘for that money i’d get a xxxx reinforces that people are happy to pay £5000 plus on a body. Yes the lenses are expensive but I can’t afford the Leica lenses right now and do perfectly well with Sigma. Get a Leica with a 24-90 then get a 1DX or R5 with appropriate focal lengths and the price difference isn’t that great. As good as the Japanese brands are, it’s like their cars - great, until you feel the build quality and material quality of German.
It’s beautiful to look at, incredible to hold, the feel of it is awesome, the lack of buttons just prove less is more and the infinite customisation of it is a joy.
The Sony a1 blows this camera out of the water for the same price, and so does the Canon r5 for $3k less. You're nuts.
@@RiposteThis If you mean based on overall specifications and performance I agree. However. There’s people with zero interest in video and never will have. I’ve never even switched on video mode on mine - zero interest in shooting video. So if the Sony is better at that, great for those that it means something to. Many don’t do action photography, and the Sony focusing is better than the Leica. That matters zero to those that don’t shoot action. There’s never any ‘best’ product. Too many factors and personal choices determine what’s ‘best’ not a reviewer. But agree the Sony is a great piece of kit if all those features matter.
@@nickdardalis3535 Everything you're typing is saying that, I don't care that I'm getting less for my money, I just want the Leica. Personal choices are opinions, the facts are that the Canon R5 and the Sony a1 are both better cameras at the same price point and $3k cheaper. There is literally no refuting that. It doesn't matter if you don't need a camera that does action, but you're paying the SAME AMOUNT as a camera that does do amazing AF, but also does every single other thing better, as well as a significantly better sensor. Hell, if you don't do action photography, you could get the GFX100S from Fujifilm, 100mp incredible photos for $500 cheaper...
The only reason to buy a Leica, is because you specifically want to own a Leica. You're not buying it because it's the best camera, you're buying it to say you have a Leica. It does nothing better than the competition in that price point, and it does nothing better than a camera that is $3k less than it. Hell, it only out performs the Z7ii in maximum video resolution. I've used the SL2, it does nothing better and the images aren't special in comparison to anything else high end on the market. That's just the truth and I have no problem with people wanting to spend their hard earned money on the camera they want regardless of specs and performance. Hell, I could afford the a1 but I like shooting Nikon so I have a Z7ii. My problem comes when people are trying to talk like the Leica is some holy grail camera that is so special and everything photo it takes is breath taking. It's not, almost every pro photographer knows it's not, that's why there are almost no pro photographers using Leicas.
@@RiposteThis Talking only about specs, you're correct but honestly, when it's comes to the ergonomics, it's very personal. I find the leica philosophy great and spending a entire day/shoot with a camera if you don't like it's ergonomics is pretty tough. That's why I sold all my sony gear, it was great on the paper, does the job, amazing iq but terrible ergos... And I precise, I don't own any leica, I had to sold my Q2 cause i needed money sadly.
@@gwencahue6269 I’ll agree with you that Sony ergos are not great. They prioritize being the smallest over what is actually comfortable to use. But when you compare it to the ergos of canon or Nikon the Leica is still quite bad. No flip out screen on a $6k camera is ridiculous, it’s essentially a rectangle with a non form fitting grip on it. I don’t care if people want to use a Leica but truth is they aren’t special or better than any other camera company out there, it’s the name you’re paying for and that’s it. Same goes for Hasselblad, they charge more than the GFX 100s, have significantly worse ergonomics and use the same sensor that the Fuji GFX 50R uses but the 50R costs like $2k less.
@evanranft I see at 2:36 I see how it looks when you lift the shadows at high ISO, try with C1Pro the files stay pretly clean. I noticed some weird buggy behavion with ACR on both SL2 and Q2 when you pass like 40% shadow lift and way worse at60% and over, it looks really uggly. But nothing like that on C1pro. can you confirm? The difference is stunning. 100% is C1 Pro looks better than 50% in LR. No problem with M10/11 on LR. Sl2S either.
Hi from Spain, Evan. Long term follower here (and also a photographer). I'm curious: do you still feel the same than when you released this video? Was (is) the SL2-s a better tool for your needs? Merry christmas, btw.
I like your videos Evan. Great stuff. I recently purchased a Leica SL2S and sold my Sony A7R5. I’ve only had the Leica a few days, the Autofocus is not great, but workable. Still deciding. I was kind of hoping to go with a couple SL2S bodies and a Q 3 when it comes out, but now not sure. I need a hybrid camera to do training videos and also social media photos. Any input would be great. Thank you
Wouldn't it be much cleverer to buy the Lumix body equivalent and buy the Leica lenses instead? But in the end I understand the appeal of the Leica Body, they feel fucking amazing! As always great video bro!
I got my Q2 last year and now I can’t stop thinking about the SL2. I think I’m going to have to break the bank 😂
I haven't had a camera in a while now, I use my phone occasionally and watching videos like this makes me want a camera again lol
I have the SL2 as well, I love the camera, the colors and photo and video quality is amazing, and the experience of using it is also amazing. But the autofocus on this camera is just not good compared to the offering from Sony and Canon. At times I wish I have the Sony A7S3 for the video but then I won’t be able to get the color from it so sadge. I also own the Leica Q so we basically have the same cameras XD. Also if I were to buy again, I would not like you. I would get the Canon R5 Bc if does everything and better, but I will miss the Leica colors
Thanks for the video Evan. I'm a Leica shooter as well, and wanted to ask you what LUTs you have been using on the SL2 footage? Or are you grading from scratch? I appreciate your response 🤙🏽
Thinking of buying a Fuji as a second body strictly for fun, any tips to which one I should grab? The main purpose would be for street photography and hiking trips
🤗 always a keeper ,and mind can change anytime
Is switching back and forth from video to photo really not that common on new cameras? My old Nikon d800 has a switch that makes this happen instantly.
Yea, the worst and most exciting thing about photography and videography is that new/better cameras keep coming out.
See for me Leica is a photojournalists camera, no matter which one you pick, the look, the feel, the performance for me all scream journalism. Incredible detail and quality, but i feel like its a very narrow focus on certain features and still rides on the hand built quality compared to others. Just my thoughts though
Thanks!
Dude, TWO-DOOR? Tyudah is how you say Tudor 😂 nice video though, agree with your views on the SL2 👍
I think if you want the best camera you shouldn't buy a Leica :D But if you want the experience, then go with he Leica, but you shouldn't complain afterwards ;)
Why don't you try out a canon R5? Its halb the price (if you don't buy it completly new) and the new RF glass is fire! :D
Great video over all! Much love to one of my most inspiring creators!
Thanks for the input and for watching the channel!
But why did you wear white shoes on a hike?
Low light not the best though Sl2s better… due to lower megapixels
Ever hear of a Z6ii?
Is the weight a negative? Leica Q2's small size makes you want to use it all the time.
Will you do a "Critiquing your portrait photos " type of video?
Why not the canon R5 for a hybrid camera? I have both cameras and think the canon is more versatile. Would love your opinion on this! Thanks!
What did you notice coming from the SL aside from some of the obvious differences such as megapixels etc?
Re: price… the Nikon D4s was 6K also. Just saying lol
Rolex/Tudor analogy is spot on lol
i have a q2 and i love it
I can’t focus on the camera talk as you walk through the woods in white shoes. My eyes.
🤣
Not good of lowlight performance because of higher resolution mega pixels it has. That's why leica stays on 24mp on for a long time because of that issue.
Would the sonny 7III been a better choice?
It came down to the SL2 and the 1DX3…it was one aspect that decided which one I would buy: Durability. I needed a body that I didn’t have to worry about at all and that’s where the 1DX3 won out. I still long for that SL2 though…that Leica look is real 🤤
What’s your idea Megapixel count for a camera?
Wouldn’t your D780 do the hybrid job?
How could you not even mention the IBIS, one of the most important reasons to buy this over the SL ? Weird....And 47MP is useful if you crop a lot...
How would this compare to a camera half the price? Sony a7siii
Aww man what happened to the Nikon D780?
Great video! Quick question, what camera would you recommend for a beginner for street photography and/or portraits, also something that’s budget friendly?
It's now 2024 and these are now available used for 60% off the new price!
Can you tell us more about the S5?
James Popsys uses an S5. He can provide you insights about it, as a landscape photographer.
I seen that Spyderco tho 🤘
Cameras are cool
Wow, poor autofocus, poor low light, lousy battery..... for 6 GRAND???
awesome to see how refined Evan's work has become over these last few years.
To have it is enough. No need to need it. Or: Better to have it, than to need it.
I have Leica and I love Leica and decided to stick with 24MP. But for video I would get a Sony.
I love my m6, it's my favourite camera by far. I shoot Fuji for weddings and I wouldn't get the SL.
For that money I'd rather get the gfx.
First complains about the price, then says you’re getting your money’s worth. Can’t eat the cake and have it too 🤌🏻
Sorry mate, I am confused! You know there is an awesome camera maker name "Sony". Their cameras are very capable in many ways. Likewise, those cameras can switch back and forth the still and video photography very quickly. Actually Sony invented the solution way before Leica did, just kidding mate... 😂😂
For 6K I'd rather get an A1. It's pretty but surely not a good value.
Anyone who tries to say that any Leica is worth it is nuts. When the Canon R5 and Sony a1 exist that destroy them in every single aspect.
Not anymore the sl is now 2 grand….
For 6000 bux, it seems like Leica could have figured out better low light capabilities...that's a bummer. Happy you like it tho.
6000usd for a leica its totally fine lol...i always viewed the leica like a little trophy kind of camera...its like you will drive ur japanese car to work everyday since its reliable and fuel efficient but on week-ends, you would want to drive your exotic car made by an european as the experience is something else haha. So for me one day to buy a leica, its to please myself and i wont use it for work as no one can even pay this amount of money in my country to even justify this price.
$6000 not worth it with the crap auto focus and battery.👎🏻
But the rolex in everyway is better than a tudor technically.
The everyday sony and canon are just better than the leica in many ways technically.
Leica is like a patek. Canon and sony are like the rolex
Patek cant do what a rolex could do everyday. As an everyday watch the rolex is far superiour to the patek but the patek is a fancy piece of hardware.
To me that analogy makes more sense.
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I guess I’d question in what way the Patek is “just fancy hardware”.
The thought, ingenuity, execution, and finishing is far superior to Rolex. Rolex used to be a tool watch based company that through luck and marketing and brilliant high quality watch making, beats out Patek and everyone else’s market share, marketing, and mass production. Quality control is also very good. But , are they really much better than omega or Tudor, let alone the king of watchmaking, Patek ? Absolutely not. (Yes, I know Tudor is “owned”by Rolex ). I think when focus is on function over form, and carrying ethos and design language, you can and should demand a premium. As does Patek , as does Rolex, when compared to “equally good” brands that also get the job done.
The argument is almost never ending. A casio tells the time more accurately than Patek or Rolex or Tudor. And at 1000X less of the price .
Ultimately, you’re very correct in assigning likeness of Patek vs. Rolex likeness , imho.
Let's be real, you didn't by it because you thought it was the best hybrid. You know damn well it's not. You bought it because it's a Leica.
Next step: get an SL lens :)
Hi ! You keep telling us it is a 6.000 dollar tool. That is simply not true and can be a bit misleading.
Why ? Because without a lens it is a useless tool.
Bad battery life and bad iso! That's unacceptable in 2023
Anyone else cringe seeing him walk through mud with a new pair of white kicks?
noti gang
The Real MVPS
Leica is the supreme of the camera world
I’d say it’s a fair assessment! Supreme makes great stuff but at the end of the day you also pay for the box logo
All Leicas are overpriced since all of the new "L" lenses are made in Japan by Sigma. The aluminum body parts are cu
in Germany, BUT where do the sensors, processors, monitors, and the electronics come from?
From what I heard, almost everything Leica is made in Portugal and Austria, but this guy doesn`t care since he is an AmaZombie who gets his 3% from J. Bezos, the worst businessman in the world.
A nitch camera and now a nitch audience lol