Jordan Peterson: The Book of Revelation, Ronaldo and the role of the artist | SpectatorTV

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  • Winston speaks with best-selling author, clinical psychologist and leading public intellectual Dr Jordan Peterson. They discuss the role of artists in society and the state of the arts today. What is so original about Dr Peterson’s work? How hopeful is he for universities? Is it the duty of the privileged to serve the oppressed? And, among other things… Ronaldo, the Book of Revelation, the New Atheists, the Queen’s personality traits and how the energy crisis will end in apocalypse.
    // CHAPTERS
    00:00 - Introduction
    00:24 - Jordan's stand-up, and British comedy
    04:06 - Why is Jordan writing kids' books?
    17:10 - Maps of Meaning: was it 'new'?
    26:48 - Is there any hope for our universities?
    30:32 - The Peterson Fellowship: what is it?
    37:13 - Can you separate Foucault's private life from his work?
    50:41 - How far is being cancelled a spiritual experience?
    01:01:13 - What's a healthy way of helping the oppressed?
    01:14:37 - Is being cancelled easier for rich people?
    01:18:59 - Russia vs Ukraine: Peterson's prediction
    01:24:13 - What does Peterson think of the Queen?
    01:25:17 - On meeting Cristiano Ronaldo
    01:46:41 - What damage have Hitchens, Harris and Dawkins wrecked?
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  • @lelec566
    @lelec566 ปีที่แล้ว +111

    Jordan is the closest adult leader that I have seen in a long time that I perceive to understand what it means to be a Good Shepherd. I don't care what his critics say, Everything he says and does is for the protection of those who are broken and left without a voice. God Speed Jordan. There are many false prophets in our day but you are a light in the darkness. May God heal your soul.

    • @christoskalou1
      @christoskalou1 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ok p.g

    • @christoskalou1
      @christoskalou1 ปีที่แล้ว

      P.p

    • @Sam-re1ez
      @Sam-re1ez ปีที่แล้ว +1

      "God speed Jordan", Dr, professor, your very Supreme super, superman.Your highness, king of kings. Most holy of holiest. May I walk in your light, may I kiss your feet? Oh Jordan, my Jordan

    • @nargesgovahi6629
      @nargesgovahi6629 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I believe he is God's gift to our time and I wrote this many times under his videos because I know he reads the comments.

    • @lelec566
      @lelec566 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Sam-re1ez have you taken an IQ test?

  • @stevejhkhfda
    @stevejhkhfda ปีที่แล้ว +144

    You have a wonderfully polite and gentlemanly manner Winston and it is a pleasure to hear you interview people and especially JP.

    • @NightLetterLondon
      @NightLetterLondon ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@vivienneb6199 you misheard. he meant he was sexually deviant due to Foucault's predilection for the young..

    • @Flux_40
      @Flux_40 ปีที่แล้ว

      revelations states unequivocally that only 144,000 male virgins go to heaven.

  • @CulpinKing
    @CulpinKing ปีที่แล้ว +220

    Despite the sadness of leaving Mumford and Sons it's great to see Winston Marshall pursuing this avenue. Never thought I'd see an interview with these two people together, how very interesting!

    • @kingjoolzz8806
      @kingjoolzz8806 ปีที่แล้ว

      L

    • @anabell7184
      @anabell7184 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I quite like Marcus Mumford's new song Grace.

    • @CulpinKing
      @CulpinKing ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@anabell7184 Yes, his new album is great. There is no surprise there though as the man is a genius at what he does. Good to see Marcus Mumford on his own adventure as well as Winston Marshall!

    • @anabell7184
      @anabell7184 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CulpinKing the other 2 mumford sons are living off of their savings now?

    • @CulpinKing
      @CulpinKing ปีที่แล้ว

      @@anabell7184 haha good question. I'd imagine they're still making very good money from royalties and I'm assuming they will still be doing promotion work for the band in some way. Hopefully Winston Marshall will comment and enlighten us as I'm only guessing 😅

  • @chiquitafeldberg8512
    @chiquitafeldberg8512 ปีที่แล้ว +145

    I hope Jordan lives a very long life, the world needs his mind. When he has gone who will we have left? I'm a female and I literally listen to him for hours regularly. Whoever calls him a voice for incels is an ignorant person who clearly hasn't listened to him enough. Such a mind can not be so limited.

    • @swerremdjee2769
      @swerremdjee2769 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I can never fill his shoes or put it to words like he does, but i can tell you there are more people doing what he is doing and not getting credit, when you meet them, praise them👍

    • @nargesgovahi6629
      @nargesgovahi6629 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The same here. I even burst into tears when he reveals some facts that I have in my mind but do not dare to speak.

    • @samantaray
      @samantaray ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@swerremdjee2769 so glad to hear that!! I've only found a couple so far...

    • @vaibhavsati538
      @vaibhavsati538 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@nargesgovahi6629 what are those facts?

    • @Flux_40
      @Flux_40 ปีที่แล้ว

      revelations states unequivocally that only 144,000 male virgins go to heaven.

  • @jerrymoore838
    @jerrymoore838 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Winston's style of interviewing is very good. Rare is the interviewer who has a natural feel for timing and flow. Thank you

    • @aeiouaeiou100
      @aeiouaeiou100 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Peterson definitely does not have that feel. He will interrupt people so often right when they're trying to get to the point they're trying to make.

  • @MariaBM1
    @MariaBM1 ปีที่แล้ว +143

    This was such an interesting interview. It's so much more interesting to listen to diverse viewpoints than to just cut them off isn't it? I am someone who believed horrible things about Jordan Peterson entirely because I'd been told he was awful. Clearly, he's not. He has some very interesting thoughts and perspectives, and this was a very thoughtful interview. Keep up the good work.

    • @raynaengle4313
      @raynaengle4313 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Thank you and be proud of yourself for opening your mind! Stay there! Its not easy for most these days, sadly.

    • @MBVXONIDE
      @MBVXONIDE ปีที่แล้ว +8

      hes a great guy just listen as you have.

    • @samantaray
      @samantaray ปีที่แล้ว +3

      So glad for you ❤ thank you for sharing that.

    • @Flux_40
      @Flux_40 ปีที่แล้ว

      revelations states unequivocally that only 144,000 male virgins go to heaven.

    • @MLCDelux
      @MLCDelux ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Totally agree, it’s nice to hear your curiosity & open mindedness overcame the opinions of others, that’s rare & evolved in today’s platforms. When I first exposed myself to Peterson & found some incredible speeches & at the time he wasn’t doing anything because he was on his death bed recovering from addiction to a prescription drug, I don’t know the details but based on updates from his daughter he really struggled. There’s some times when he’s getting deep & his voice gets shaky & he’s becoming overwhelmed with emotion, it makes my eyes well up, raw emotion is rare these days unless it’s from anger. Cheers

  • @grantfrith9589
    @grantfrith9589 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Jordan is by far my favorite commentator on the important things challenging society these days. He articulates many of the things most of us suspect is true but don't always have the words for.
    He also has a way of including those he disagrees with in thoughtful conversation that is extremely rare in modern discourse.
    All power to him and I hope we all as individuals take on board his core ideas regarding the power of individual responsibility. As he says "we don't know the limits of that".
    In the people I know who embody that principle, whether they learned it through him or discovered the truth of it themselves, it most certainly has far reaching positive consequences well beyond the person making the stand.
    Fantastic!

    • @elektrotehnik94
      @elektrotehnik94 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      "He also has a way of including those he disagrees with in thoughtful conversation that is extremely rare in modern discourse. "
      This interview was richer in including those viewpoints Jordan disagrees with - I'd suspect in no smal part due to the quality of the interviewer's character, manner & questions.

    • @Flux_40
      @Flux_40 ปีที่แล้ว

      revelations states unequivocally that only 144,000 male virgins go to heaven.

  • @tracyrichardson2074
    @tracyrichardson2074 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Great interview. Thank you for letting Dr. Peterson talk without interruption. Good questions too.

    • @Flux_40
      @Flux_40 ปีที่แล้ว

      revelations states unequivocally that only 144,000 male virgins go to heaven.

  • @alandodds8250
    @alandodds8250 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    The first interview I've heard which permits this chap to speak freely without endless interruptions and challenges. Thanks to you both.

    • @Flux_40
      @Flux_40 ปีที่แล้ว

      revelations states unequivocally that only 144,000 male virgins go to heaven.

  • @EddieStyle
    @EddieStyle ปีที่แล้ว +49

    Wow. I can’t stopped being amazed by Peterson. He is so smart and genuine. The host is also very intelligent and has good listening skills. He is calm and asked great questions! It was very fun to watch!

    • @Sam-re1ez
      @Sam-re1ez ปีที่แล้ว

      "Being amazing buy Peterson "😂😂😝, Freudian slip?

    • @EddieStyle
      @EddieStyle ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Sam-re1ez Aha I was under the influence, my bad! 🤦‍♂️😂

  • @bingolittle8725
    @bingolittle8725 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    JP on art "If you know exactly why you're doing it then it's probably propaganda" 100% accurate. In my experience the real meaning nearly always appears in retrospect.

    • @anthonybrett
      @anthonybrett ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I remember Peterson saying that years ago in a lecture on The Lion King. He loves the Lion king because its archetypical, and he was comparing it to Frozen which he deems a work of pure propaganda (one of the first Disney films to "lecture" the audience rather than entertain...the very definition of propaganda.). It blew me away. It seems obvious but I never seen it. The only time I put pen to paper is when I'm trying to figure something out...something I don't know.

    • @BeesWaxMinder
      @BeesWaxMinder ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @m v 😉

    • @scottmccrimmon1
      @scottmccrimmon1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I’m kicking myself a little for criticising art students for “making up” the meaning of their pieces after they were finished

    • @Jurassicparkatmospheres
      @Jurassicparkatmospheres ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@scottmccrimmon1 don’t kick yourself too hard, there’s a lot of talentless posers out there

  • @silenceiscompliance.
    @silenceiscompliance. ปีที่แล้ว +40

    I'm sure you must have felt a little star struck interviewing the great JP! I didn't realise you were in Mumford and sons but I'm a regular Spectator viewer and I think your contributions are often very insightful.
    Brilliant interview, you definitely have soul.

    • @Biggiiful
      @Biggiiful ปีที่แล้ว +5

      He was kicked out of the band, after he refused to apologize for talking about reading Andy Ngo's book about Antifa. Winston strikes me as a classical liberal. Much like JP and I'd put myself there too. We are not hardcore conservatives, but we realize the left has been taken over by collectivist and purity testing nonsense.

  • @dodecahedron1228
    @dodecahedron1228 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I like these kinds of interviews where the interviewer just throws softball questions that trigger deeper insights and then just let Jordan go on his insightful tangents. Excellent!

  • @maggen_me7790
    @maggen_me7790 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Jordan speaks wonderfully about art and the spirit of the artist 💓

    • @Flux_40
      @Flux_40 ปีที่แล้ว

      revelations states unequivocally that only 144,000 male virgins go to heaven.

  • @meek2280
    @meek2280 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    When Mr. Peterson talks about emulating a spirit at the end of the interview, in relation to biblical stories and characters, oh my days this guy is something else for our generation - I am born in 1986 . Thank you Mr Peterson! As someone who found God again in a time of crisis it’s interesting to learn the parallel of the Abraham story and God spirit leading to the adventure of your life. Mr. Peterson is so valuable. I’m blessed to hear him 😊 We are literally watching this man figure out the meaning of life and helping us along the way! Hallelujah! He is dropping nuggets of wisdom all through this interview and and I will also say that his talks on the Middle East and Israel are a extremely valuable and that I recommend them.

    •  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You cannot figure out a meaning of life, because there is no singular life, but countless unique lives, each demanding new and unique meaning to be created. You also cannot ask life what is its meaning. Life is asking you that very same question and it is up to you to answer it. Not the other way around. The meaning of life is not searched, it is your answer to life. Read some Viktor Frankl

    • @sally9352
      @sally9352 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @ Christians found the meaning of life in Christ. Our priority is to seek the kingdom of God and his righteousness, to do his will and the kingdom of God is about living in truth because God is truth, living in peace and joy through the work of his Spirit. For the secular person the meaning of life is subjective.

  • @surajitgoswami1871
    @surajitgoswami1871 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    Good to see him back in form! At one point, I had thought he was not going to be his old self ever. But now, I'm so glad to see him back and I know some of the things he is talking about. For example, the story of all those who let the privilege of having a Coca Cola after the 1 hr. 33 min. mark (or even having refrigerated water). In the sixties, in Kolkata, our school brought a Coca Cola truck every year to give us a bottle of soft drinks. For the rest of the year, I didn't have a second one and so didn't most of my friends. In the first seventeen years of my life, I must have had less than 15 bottles of soft drinks. But we had the kindest teachers who also had very little.

    • @Blissblizzard
      @Blissblizzard ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Then when you became an adult you realised that cola was merely marketing (and sugar water and caffeine and burnt aluminium caramel flavouring and carbon dioxide) and also that the sources of happiness you effortlessly derived as a child were devalued by this very marketing that needed you to crave the exotic and develop creeping anhedonia, and only notice monetary value.
      I never had coke as a kid, no loss, sometimes my shoes were too small and l knew that there was no budget for new shoes, now l look down at my crowded toes,and am mindful that there are some places where there are siblings who share a pair of shoes, no shoes that day, no schooling, and there are other children that step on mines - that were lain before they were even born .... I guess that's the difference between artificial value and artificial scarcity, and what actually matters.

    • @L.I.T.H.I.U.M
      @L.I.T.H.I.U.M ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He's learned to balance what should he go deeper into and what he should leave for us as homework.

    • @q7winq7
      @q7winq7 ปีที่แล้ว

      (To: Surajit Goswami)
      9-30-2022 - - - Be advised that Coca Cola's objective as a corporation is to get you to think that the toxic stuff you call Coca Cola is good - a reward for something. It is full of sugar and carbon dioxide. If you like it you buy it and they make money which is their objective. I suggest you never drink another ounce of any soft drink, ever. By the way, tobacco pushers have the same objective: to turn you into an income stream, until what they tempt you into buying eventually kills you; and if their plan works, you also recruit actively or passively your acquaintances, your friends, your family or anyone else in your sphere of influence - to drink that wonderful tasting poison and smoke those cigarettes you think make you look cool and serious. If you're going to addict yourself to anything, addict yourself to creating more order, harmony and beauty in the Universe. Cheers.

  • @andrewteece3496
    @andrewteece3496 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    Great conversation. JBP, as always, is infinitely interesting but hats off to Winston. He's a natural at this and I'm looking forward to listening to many more of his future interviews.

  • @MajorShot
    @MajorShot ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Brilliant interview. I only just realised at the end who Winston Marshall is - but I was going to say anyways that he was a great interviewer because he actually is well read on Peterson's work and knew how to ask the right questions. There was a few times where I was thinking the same question and then he asked it!

  • @timbaybutt172
    @timbaybutt172 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I was lying in bed half asleep listening to this and I had to check the video because I was convinced it was Davd Bowie conducting the interview. I've since watched it in full....excellent interview of a true genius.

  • @scottpeterbishop8681
    @scottpeterbishop8681 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    Great interview. Jordan Peterson is at his best. He understands striving towards an ideal - the beauty of art/humanity/human expression

    • @Romans-nk4wt
      @Romans-nk4wt ปีที่แล้ว +2

      "The beginning of wisdom is the fear of the Lord." Jordan has no fear of God, so I wouldn't consider him to be extraordinarily wise.

    • @filbertovandette
      @filbertovandette ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@Romans-nk4wt you've obviously never watched any of his biblical lectures....if you think he doesn't fear the Lord you don't know enough about him....

  • @anklebar1
    @anklebar1 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I am a liberal and love listening to Jordon. Ideas and conversation before party or labels!!!

    • @rainbowinthedark453
      @rainbowinthedark453 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Great to hear. I didn’t think open minded liberals existed. Lol (that’s a joke btw) but seriously it’s nice to know. I lean to being conservative most the time, but I never say I won’t hear another person just based on others opinions. I own my mind, and like listening to others opinions and beliefs. Then I either disagree or look up more information because they made me think of something in a different way. Isn’t that how we evolve and learn more? I say yes, and some would say or do say I have to pick a side. I wholeheartedly disagree, and will continue to live life my way. I respect everyone’s right to believe what they want. Just not to force that belief onto me, or change my way of living.

    • @acerpalmatum6446
      @acerpalmatum6446 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      An old school liberal!! Gosh, how I miss you guys! 👍

  • @repentantrevenant4451
    @repentantrevenant4451 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    Absolutely incredible interview. Winston - I've thoroughly enjoyed your podcasts thus far, especially when they discuss what art is at a deep level.
    I listen to Peterson a lot, and I feel as though you went to some new and very interesting areas in this interview. Very thankful to both of you for taking a stand for what's right.

    • @Flux_40
      @Flux_40 ปีที่แล้ว

      revelations states unequivocally that only 144,000 male virgins go to heaven.

  • @ac-gp3kz
    @ac-gp3kz ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Great interview. Nice to see JP relaxed and comfortable, possibly down to the interviewer who was very engaging and respectful,

  • @matweb8195
    @matweb8195 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I like the way Peterson thinks/talks with his hands. Fascinating.

  • @hello15848
    @hello15848 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    I would love to attend the university he's creating. Excited to hear more. Great interview. ❤️

    • @Sam-re1ez
      @Sam-re1ez ปีที่แล้ว

      😂😂😂You, attend a university? Pretty sure roofers don't attend universities. Stick to manual labor, your IQ is in the low eighties.

    • @Flux_40
      @Flux_40 ปีที่แล้ว

      revelations states unequivocally that only 144,000 male virgins go to heaven.

  • @FrancescoDiMauro
    @FrancescoDiMauro ปีที่แล้ว +20

    One of the best interview to Dr. Peterson, great job, thanks for sharing!

  • @amandarenske
    @amandarenske ปีที่แล้ว +93

    What an amazing man JP is. It beggars belief how he has been demonized, could they have ever have watched an interview or engaged with him personally? I doubt it. He is so obviously a measured and thoughtful person.

    • @TheBasicTruth
      @TheBasicTruth ปีที่แล้ว

      The demonizing comes from the Left, particularly the radical Left who see Jordan Peterson as extreme Right which he is not. They are exhibiting the practices that Herbert Marcuse describes explicitly in his 1965 influential essay, Repressive Tolerance. The essay details how the actions of the Right should not be tolerated at all and how the reactions of the Left to the actions of the Right must always be tolerated no matter how destructive or violent these reactions from the Left may be.

    • @Steve80458
      @Steve80458 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      He is so incisive, intelligent and factual, that other than awe and admiration, the only other possible response is to demonise him. Because it is not possible argue logically with what he is saying.

    • @ledaswan5990
      @ledaswan5990 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Have you seen the videos where in one he says he’s a “neuro-scientist” and the other where he says he’s an “evolutionary biologist”? He’s neither,so he’s either insane or a pathological liar.

    • @johnbayer6724
      @johnbayer6724 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@ledaswan5990 Where? Where are these videos? Share them if you have them, but just making unsubstantiated claims? Downvoted. If you don't have the evidence just listen, and I mean really LISTEN, to him in this interview. He isn't trying to threaten you or anyone else.

    • @ledaswan5990
      @ledaswan5990 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@johnbayer6724 I’ve listened to a lot of JP . I will look for those quotes but they are in the middle of long interviews but I’ll try to find them and link.

  • @DownBerkshireBorders
    @DownBerkshireBorders ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Really great stuff. Thanks so much. Depths of faith and reason walking together

  • @angehockenhull3057
    @angehockenhull3057 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    I love Jordan and his work , his mind and the way he is able to speak in ways as a lecturer, which I am, I could only dream of

    • @dougiedorite8296
      @dougiedorite8296 ปีที่แล้ว

      I saw a guy at the county fair, carving ducks out of wood blocks. I commented,
      "My goodness, what a talent. How did you learn this ?"
      He replied, "Anyone can do it. Just take a block of wood, and cut away
      everything that don't look like a duck." The focus, IS the difference young lady.

    • @zootsoot2006
      @zootsoot2006 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He's still too stuck in the fantasy that the world can be a perfect place and therefore too consumed with passion to go up against anything that stands in the way of the vision of some kind of heaven on earth. He's not sufficiently religious and cognisant of the fact that that is merely an illusion.

    • @angehockenhull3057
      @angehockenhull3057 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@zootsoot2006 I agree to an extent

    • @Flux_40
      @Flux_40 ปีที่แล้ว

      revelations states unequivocally that only 144,000 male virgins go to heaven.

  • @buddhistsympathizer1136
    @buddhistsympathizer1136 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Absolutely superb job of interviewing Peterson who was relaxed and open to elaborate on many of his ideas in the talk.
    Well done!

  • @Ferdinand314
    @Ferdinand314 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Great convo from both of you! Good to hear JBP asked questions beyond the usual.

  • @Darren79
    @Darren79 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    "If you can say exactly why you're pursuing an artistic endeavour then you're probably producing propaganda"
    Doesn't that just explain so much currently.

    • @nf6386
      @nf6386 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Starting with (but not limited to) every big budget film and streaming network series in the last few years…

  • @yvonnekiwior9633
    @yvonnekiwior9633 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Jordan Peterson is a wonderful beautiful Brilliant man whom I adore!!!!
    Again I am grateful he is being interviewed for all of us to learn from!!! Thank you🙏

    • @Flux_40
      @Flux_40 ปีที่แล้ว

      revelations states unequivocally that only 144,000 male virgins go to heaven.

  • @michaelpeacock6360
    @michaelpeacock6360 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Two real gentlemen..wonderful.

  • @SamVeale
    @SamVeale ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Awesome to see JBP interviewed by an artist. Some unique questions and perspectives shared that was very fresh :)

  • @danielplantagenet8385
    @danielplantagenet8385 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Dr Peterson changed my outlook on life completely. His books have helped me so much it’s unbelievable. 12 rules for life was so simple and obvious....it was like a father giving advice to his son. If effected me profoundly. Life’s good and for the first time I’m happy all thanks to Dr Peterson. God bless him! ❤

    • @Flux_40
      @Flux_40 ปีที่แล้ว

      revelations states unequivocally that only 144,000 male virgins go to heaven.

  • @Nikitaxo24
    @Nikitaxo24 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Just found this channel. Love how you discussed the bible. God and his relevance in today's society. Dr peterson is fantastic of being frank. I love it.

    • @Flux_40
      @Flux_40 ปีที่แล้ว

      revelations states unequivocally that only 144,000 male virgins go to heaven.

  • @johanvanzyl8479
    @johanvanzyl8479 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    2 brilliant minds. 2 good human beings. 2 of my favorites. I appreciate, thank you.

  • @DaddyBooneDon
    @DaddyBooneDon ปีที่แล้ว +5

    As an artist whose faith is Christian, I've observed a similar utilitarianism in only judging art or music if it directly references a particular Christian theme or doctrine. In music we call it "dropping the J-bomb." Franky Schaeffer wrote a great book about this called Addicted To Mediocrity. Artists should just be allowed to make art. If they are Christian, those sensibilities will filter through and be communicated in their artwork. But a landscape painting should be able to stand on its own and glorify God the Creator without painting the face of Jesus into the clouds. Quincy Jones once said in an interview, "Don't write a song to be a hit because God will leave the room. God is in the music."

    • @nevbarnes1034
      @nevbarnes1034 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was massively influenced by Franky Schaeffer.

  • @sandyj1561
    @sandyj1561 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Brilliant Winston 👏 so happy to see and listen to you. Dr Peterson so much love xxx

  • @neiluscook2283
    @neiluscook2283 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Definitely one of the most profound of JBP's talks.
    Challenges our mind to think very carefully about how we perceive.
    "We perceive through story."
    The "story" you have is like your fundamental level of processing incoming data, experience included. -- makes one think. .

  • @mattrobinson4616
    @mattrobinson4616 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    He is so engaging and has his own brilliance. A very impressive discussion - so glad that he is here to shine his light on those things we need to focus on too. ❤

  • @curtisvalle5141
    @curtisvalle5141 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you both, Nothing better than listening to Dr. P drill into an epiphany. Example.... Isreal. He learns what it means and excitedly dives into the rabbit hole. We are so fortunate that he takes us with him, explaining and teaching as he goes.

  • @davidgeorge3132
    @davidgeorge3132 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    That was a truly great discussion. Some interesting new insights from Dr Peterson and well conducted by Winston.

  • @theresaslusher4305
    @theresaslusher4305 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    He is incredibly thoughtful. I love his mind and he had such a wonderful soul. Kind, gentle yet realistic.

  • @susanmorgan4151
    @susanmorgan4151 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Brilliant interviewer , this Winston Marshall. Well prepared , allowed Peterson to finish his thoughts. Thank you .

  • @ZeroCartin
    @ZeroCartin ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I see soo much of Pageau in his recent interviews. Great atuff, qnd great to see him exploring more and more ideas in this realm.

  • @hebber1961
    @hebber1961 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I have a feeling Peterson is MUCH more polite and complimentary to the high priests of atheism than they'ed be to him.

    • @russellsharpe288
      @russellsharpe288 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes. I suppose this is because he is conscious that there is a higher authority which he is trying to serve, while they have no higher authority than themselves.

  • @narendra62
    @narendra62 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Stellar interviewer. Well done

  • @L.I.T.H.I.U.M
    @L.I.T.H.I.U.M ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I recommend everyone watch this TV show The Leftovers. I think it's the type of creative work Peterson is talking about where you don't know the "whys" behind it, and it's slowly revealed to you throughout your life. I've watched it twice and some months back I used the show as an example to argue for/against something and that example came to me in that moment of argument out of nowhere. It was a really deep analysis and now I've completely forgotten what it was. Plus, this show is super entertaining as well.

  • @challice_blue6295
    @challice_blue6295 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Superb interviewer and a conversation that was a joy to listen to 😊

  • @nomoremaybes
    @nomoremaybes ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What a great conversation. Peterson is brilliant and Winston is a good man.

  • @BboyKeny
    @BboyKeny ปีที่แล้ว +3

    How I channel my creativity for business / app ideas is by thinking how I can genuinely help people. I basically use my problem solving abilities to channel my creativity and then go on to test if there is a market for the solution.

  • @dianedean4170
    @dianedean4170 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much, Winston, for your fascinating interview with Dr. Peterson🎉🎉🎉
    The desire to understand nature includes human beings and your conversation with Jordan is an exciting experience of this phenomenon 😊

  • @RosaCanina1
    @RosaCanina1 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    That was just great! Thank you both ♥

  • @mazoomska
    @mazoomska ปีที่แล้ว

    Really enjoying this Winston chap. Lovely persona and interview style. Not a shred of arrogance in him. Always asks intelligent questions, lets his guests speak and listens intently to them. As for Jordan P - love him. This was a thoughtful interesting interview - thank you!

  • @kajsajohansson4111
    @kajsajohansson4111 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Whenever I need a good cry I listen to this fkn dude, I cannot believe how good and wise he is

  • @davidleary5639
    @davidleary5639 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Absolutely bang on about artists. Artists respond with their gift they don't have motives .

  • @Longstorie
    @Longstorie ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I a word, superb dialog.
    Thank You both!

  • @philmorebeaver7089
    @philmorebeaver7089 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    So cool to hear his insight on artists. He's nail on the head on everything. My pursuit of art has brought me great chaos; but indeed I would wither without it. Great interview.

    • @Sam-re1ez
      @Sam-re1ez ปีที่แล้ว

      😂😂😂"my pursuit of art?"

    • @philmorebeaver7089
      @philmorebeaver7089 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Sam-re1ez yes, i'm the world's most studied armpit farter you twit.

    • @Flux_40
      @Flux_40 ปีที่แล้ว

      revelations states unequivocally that only 144,000 male virgins go to heaven.

  • @anthonyreed480
    @anthonyreed480 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Ronaldo, the goat. Did not expect to hear about him from JP!

  • @klim5943
    @klim5943 ปีที่แล้ว

    How many times Ive been asked to just tell a revelation. Tell us what it was or write it down. Ahhhhhhhgggh. Some things cannot be easily intellectualised. Crossing from mind to spirit. Are beyond explanation You are a master on this verbally drawing those pictures for many and explaining rather than intellectualising their meanings - is awesome to me. Thanxx for the inspiration.

  • @travissk5036
    @travissk5036 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great interview.
    Looking forward to another one between y'all.

  • @VeneraBerens
    @VeneraBerens 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    ❤TO THE HOST AND CREW THANK YOU GENUINELY FOR THIS PODCAST ❤

  • @angehockenhull3057
    @angehockenhull3057 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    How can one person be able to express everything I feel be able to say in words everything I feel, in one way it makes me want to give up my profession because I can’t come close to him, no matter how much I listen to him

    • @mayurakutappa1626
      @mayurakutappa1626 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I feel the same!!

    • @dmts8098
      @dmts8098 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      He has said it himself, many times, ‘Listen’. Not just to him but to everyone. Everyone is interesting and has a story.

    • @HAZMOLZ
      @HAZMOLZ ปีที่แล้ว +4

      If you listen, read, and THEN write your thoughts down consistently you can also become incredibly articulate. It's forcing yourself to write down your arguments in your head that brings out the articulation. You do that enough and you can become close to his level on a few subjects. What Peterson does so miraculously is merge many subjects together with a very deep understanding which takes years and years of the aforementioned process.

    • @angehockenhull3057
      @angehockenhull3057 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I will try thank you

    • @angehockenhull3057
      @angehockenhull3057 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I am 60 years old and still trying

  • @stvbrsn
    @stvbrsn ปีที่แล้ว

    There are few things more satisfying than the way Dr. Peterson says “awbviously.”

  • @beachtrash
    @beachtrash ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love this! Can't wait to speak to JP myself. So much to talk about.

  • @shoptastik2250
    @shoptastik2250 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    God Bless Jordan, keep him, make your face to shine upon him, and give him peace!

  • @mickcunningham7786
    @mickcunningham7786 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Really enjoyed this. Thank you.

  • @ArtByHazel
    @ArtByHazel ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is a profound conversation as I’m a huge fan of Dr. Peterson and fella Canadian.
    It’s a privilege to be alive today despite the challenges we’re all facing individually and collectively.
    We need to atone for that privilege and morally obligated to help those who are less unfortunate.

    • @Flux_40
      @Flux_40 ปีที่แล้ว

      revelations states unequivocally that only 144,000 male virgins go to heaven.

  • @theglanconer6463
    @theglanconer6463 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Jordan as standup comedian :)
    Great interview. Thank you Jordan and Winston !

  • @samuelclifford5297
    @samuelclifford5297 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Bloody hell he's good. Thank you.

  • @jade-nd2nh
    @jade-nd2nh ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The soul..the most important thing. Amen! Loved this.

  • @uliaritonangchilds7819
    @uliaritonangchilds7819 ปีที่แล้ว

    JP is genius by all aspects and standards....I never thought I would hear a great conversation about art from JP..thank you for the podcast.

  • @mr.a_sa.5432
    @mr.a_sa.5432 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Like a flaming sword!!!! JP speaks 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @danielplantagenet8385
    @danielplantagenet8385 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Now this is a video! Bloody Brilliant!

    • @tensevo
      @tensevo ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm here giving the Devil his due.

  • @andreww6026
    @andreww6026 ปีที่แล้ว

    I didn't know Winston ended up with the spec. What a treat to find out via this video, especially in light of the circumstances of his being ousted from his band. Looking forward to this one.

  • @dorasneddon774
    @dorasneddon774 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Bravo Jordan Peterson for saying that the creative act is one of discovery. 15 years ago I was irritated by the question as to why I had created my portfolio pieces for a foundation art course. I was always annoyed, even as a child, by being asked 'What are you drawing/painting/making?' It was impossible to answer this question when the creative doing was the act of discovery and the meaning is always unclear or obscure - and I did not feel that justifying myself was anything at all to do with the created item. I felt like the foundation art course was essentially focused on the propaganda that one was supposed to express (as relevant to some collective ideal or some such thing). I inherently mistrust artists who feel the need to spend a lot of time explaining their work.

    • @metalcraftwroughtiron4886
      @metalcraftwroughtiron4886 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Interesting you write that. I too still feel, that annoyance, thought it was something wrong with me that I couldn't explain what I was creating and why.

    • @acerpalmatum6446
      @acerpalmatum6446 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Interesting comment and enjoyed heading JBP explain this. I have no creativity. Well almost none. I took his personality quiz that he sells for $10 and my creativity was scored at 10%. Yikes! It was my lowest scored personality trait so I'm strangely interested in people who are highly creative because they're so different than myself.
      BTW, highly recommend Peterson's personality quiz for individuals and especially married couples.

    • @adampindell
      @adampindell ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Art with a detailed explanation seems more like propaganda, to me.

    • @paulinedoyle1807
      @paulinedoyle1807 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agree 100%

    • @Flux_40
      @Flux_40 ปีที่แล้ว

      revelations states unequivocally that only 144,000 male virgins go to heaven.

  • @nicholasszegho6768
    @nicholasszegho6768 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Most renowned intellectual in the world today 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @quetailion6762
      @quetailion6762 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      hahaha I know right 🤣

    • @free2pzwn
      @free2pzwn ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Who is more?

  • @gavwan
    @gavwan ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Art from artist section: "That's Niche. He's dead, he doesn't care" that tickled me 😄

  • @jonathandnicholson
    @jonathandnicholson ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great interview. Thank you for sharing.

  • @SUSYQ509
    @SUSYQ509 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Glad you re still standing guys. Take care.

  • @constructenglish1
    @constructenglish1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you Winston!

  • @MD11339
    @MD11339 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love Spectator TV, love this channel on TH-cam!! Please do more videos….Thankyou, The American

  • @vickitallant2121
    @vickitallant2121 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you Dr.Petterson I always learn so much when you talk I think you’re so brilliant on all the subjects you talk about. I continue to pray for the health and happiness of your family.

    • @Flux_40
      @Flux_40 ปีที่แล้ว

      revelations states unequivocally that only 144,000 male virgins go to heaven.

  • @lolar6085
    @lolar6085 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What a great, great interview, truly enjoyed the question on the atheist and Peterson´s answer. It becomes clear the difference between doctor Peterson, Harris and Richard Dawkins.

    • @Flux_40
      @Flux_40 ปีที่แล้ว

      revelations states unequivocally that only 144,000 male virgins go to heaven.

  • @samantaray
    @samantaray ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for touching on the plight and the responsibility of the artist. There is so much in here of significance. Watching and sharing many times. Much appreciation. Xx

    • @Flux_40
      @Flux_40 ปีที่แล้ว

      revelations states unequivocally that only 144,000 male virgins go to heaven.

  • @aprilthompson1705
    @aprilthompson1705 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I really appreciate this interview. Winston, the man conducting the interview, is great at asking questions and allowing Jordan to really have time to talk and communicate his ideas.

    • @Flux_40
      @Flux_40 ปีที่แล้ว

      revelations states unequivocally that only 144,000 male virgins go to heaven.

  • @earthdance11
    @earthdance11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The conversation is stimulating and thoughtful. I would challenge the idea that the Queen serves the public. The goal of any psycho-spiritual journey is to find the sovereign within and become responsible to life. Having an external "sovereign" and the Crown is not teaching people how to grow into themselves. It is also not serving royalty to believe that they are actually serving the public and has led to a toxic relationship to power. This is a topic that is essential at this time as the cracks in royalty are showing as we all heal to go to a higher level of consciousness.

  • @Beederda
    @Beederda ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I keep saying the fear of reprisals is a fear most don’t even know they have as one of their fears running their lives. Jordan saying the fear of social alienation nails this on the head.

  • @johannablows4765
    @johannablows4765 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you, Jordan Peterson - so good to apprehend the inner and the outer together! This feels authentic and somehow an explication of he life of the world. (sorry, words fail me!)

  • @cooper_ls77
    @cooper_ls77 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    the greatest gift God gave our generation is this man

  • @MBVXONIDE
    @MBVXONIDE ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i love this guy -- hes a great blessing. than you so very very very (3 times ) much! thank you ! a for the time for the future! excuse caps and puncs

  • @MultiDMT
    @MultiDMT ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Fascinating conversation

  • @leedufour
    @leedufour ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks Jordan and Winston!

  • @brucevilla
    @brucevilla ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks for Uploading.

  • @sethrose5250
    @sethrose5250 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can't believe how powerful this was

  • @Robert-Downey-Syndrome
    @Robert-Downey-Syndrome ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'm gonna listen to this, buddy.

  • @jayjaychadoy9226
    @jayjaychadoy9226 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful music at the end, gentle interviewer. Thank you.

  • @MrAcceptit
    @MrAcceptit ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That. Was. Fantastic!!!