Bravo, Oom Kees! One could do MUCH worse, but LITTLE better than spending time and energy sitting before this man's tutoring. I highly recommend jumping right into his Christian Apologetics, and STAYING PUT, without commentary or interference from anyone else--friend or foe--perhaps, even "half drowning", until you warm to the temperature of the bath! You will NOT regret it...
God magic that you can define as being able to do anything it needs to do in a logical way will always appear to be internally consistent, because that's literally how you defined it and presupposed it as. There's no way it can fail in your imagination as an explanation, because that's how you've defined it to be. its as internally consistent as an explanation for reality as the invisibility cloak in harry potter is for invisible beings in the movie.
Just like everyone else’s circular method when the matter under discussion is the foundational assumptions of ones worldview. The point is that the Christian one is the only one that is internally consistent and does not reduce to absurdity and is therefore proven by the impossibility of the contrary.
The human starting point is the universe as such, the detectable original, the REFERENT. Which is the cause at scientific assertions (SYMBOLS) and at religious assertions (SYMBOLS). A religious assertion is one where a Reference (=awareness= thought=abstract object) fabricated FROM/ABOUT the Referent is proclaimed=symbolized=asserted to be a causal agency rather than imaginary-non-causal = epiphenomenal.
@@kevinmeehan5329 " Just like everyone else’s circular method when the matter under discussion is the foundational assumptions of ones worldview" - Tu quoque fallacy "The point is that the Christian one is the only one that is internally consistent" - Which Christian view? There are many different Christian views, even if we grant that all Christians believe in the Trinity (they don't tho), which version of the trinitarian view is true? Modalism? Tri-theism? We can go on and on. "and does not reduce to absurdity" - if it rests upon a paradox (a being that cannot logically exist ie the Christian God) then yes it does reduce to absurdity.
@@yournightmare9562 the faith was delivered once, as Jude says, to all the saints, that is, to those who are Jesus' sheep and can hear Jesus' voice, through the gospels, through the apostles who delivered it to the world and through the prophets who presaged it. If you can't hear that voice clear as a bell through the scriptures and find love and deep common cause with others who likewise do, then you need to do more repenting, believing and participating submissively in his body, whatever trivial denominational distinctives it emerges through in your circle. And if you think the trinity is a self contradictory doctrine (there is only one orthodox doctrine of the Trinity, expressed in different ways) then I suggest you study it with a bit more application and attentiveness. You are not the first person in 2000 years to make that criticism, and it has been responded to. And I sent the accusation of the tuquoque fallacy. I did not accuse anyone of hypocrisy, I inputted that in the end everyone argues in a circle back to their own presuppositions, but only Christians can do it with internal constitency, indicating their their worldview is the only one that is ultimately rational.
Bravo, Oom Kees! One could do MUCH worse, but LITTLE better than spending time and energy sitting before this man's tutoring. I highly recommend jumping right into his Christian Apologetics, and STAYING PUT, without commentary or interference from anyone else--friend or foe--perhaps, even "half drowning", until you warm to the temperature of the bath! You will NOT regret it...
Same. Here
Helping disciples become, "self conscious Christians" one disciple, Church and denomination at a time. Amen.
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Awesome kees the quokka!! What is your source of van til audio?
God magic that you can define as being able to do anything it needs to do in a logical way will always appear to be internally consistent, because that's literally how you defined it and presupposed it as. There's no way it can fail in your imagination as an explanation, because that's how you've defined it to be.
its as internally consistent as an explanation for reality as the invisibility cloak in harry potter is for invisible beings in the movie.
Van Til’s circular method
Irrelevant, all paradigms taken to their end are circular, including empiricism.
Just like everyone else’s circular method when the matter under discussion is the foundational assumptions of ones worldview. The point is that the Christian one is the only one that is internally consistent and does not reduce to absurdity and is therefore proven by the impossibility of the contrary.
The human starting point is the universe as such, the detectable original, the REFERENT. Which is the cause at scientific assertions (SYMBOLS) and at religious assertions (SYMBOLS). A religious assertion is one where a Reference (=awareness= thought=abstract object) fabricated FROM/ABOUT the Referent is proclaimed=symbolized=asserted to be a causal agency rather than imaginary-non-causal = epiphenomenal.
@@kevinmeehan5329 " Just like everyone else’s circular method when the matter under discussion is the foundational assumptions of ones worldview" -
Tu quoque fallacy
"The point is that the Christian one is the only one that is internally consistent"
- Which Christian view? There are many different Christian views, even if we grant that all Christians believe in the Trinity (they don't tho), which version of the trinitarian view is true? Modalism? Tri-theism? We can go on and on.
"and does not reduce to absurdity"
- if it rests upon a paradox (a being that cannot logically exist ie the Christian God) then yes it does reduce to absurdity.
@@yournightmare9562 the faith was delivered once, as Jude says, to all the saints, that is, to those who are Jesus' sheep and can hear Jesus' voice, through the gospels, through the apostles who delivered it to the world and through the prophets who presaged it. If you can't hear that voice clear as a bell through the scriptures and find love and deep common cause with others who likewise do, then you need to do more repenting, believing and participating submissively in his body, whatever trivial denominational distinctives it emerges through in your circle. And if you think the trinity is a self contradictory doctrine (there is only one orthodox doctrine of the Trinity, expressed in different ways) then I suggest you study it with a bit more application and attentiveness. You are not the first person in 2000 years to make that criticism, and it has been responded to.
And I sent the accusation of the tuquoque fallacy. I did not accuse anyone of hypocrisy, I inputted that in the end everyone argues in a circle back to their own presuppositions, but only Christians can do it with internal constitency, indicating their their worldview is the only one that is ultimately rational.