Peltier elements are usually designed to reach a 40 C temperature gradient between the two faces. You managed to get 38 C difference which is actually very good. If you want a lower temperature, you need to put 2 or more Peltier elements in series. Nice stuff!
When you turn unit off, inside temp is -7 degrees. Now ambient air heats external heatsink and transfers heat energy through peltier device back into your coolbox. Want proof? disconnect x4 heatsink when you disconnect power. Now coolbox stays colder after 30 minutes. Great video mate and thanks for sharing. Keep up the good work
excuse for my poor english, but really dont forget that when you turn off your system the hot side of module diffuse heat in all the system (evo+hot side ->radiator+cold side) instantly, and all the time heat "wins" against cold. to reduce this effect you can try to mount the evo in push-pull with a mini inverter circuit with 11.1 lipo only to supply the fans on the hot side when the system is suddently turn off. Then mount like pc peltier cooling a brass plate near 5 mm ep. between hot side and evo. the temperature issue is not bring only by insulation. nice video, good project!
i've assembled dozens of pc in the past and that's how i applied the thermal paste. i don't know if there's any new method today but imo the reason why it's the best way is that it will guarantees 100% thermal contact (not surface contact) without any bubble, but of course if you managed to cover the whole surface it will be ideal. i really don't see any other ways are bad, as long as the paste cover most of the surfaces around 95%, you're good to go. most method will cover all the surface as long as they apply enough pressure to the plate. it's all about heat transfer efficiency. the only concern i have with this build is the door placement. i'd rather put the door on top of the box to minimize the cold air "leakage" when you open the door. i'm not expert on this, but i always imagining cold air is just like water. it goes down to the low places. so, if you open the side door, i kinda "see" the cold air immediately pouring out. but it's a design issue, the concept still works.
Great video! I'm also working on making a cloud chamber which means I need to see the lowest temperature that I can get. I did some experiments with 12706, 12709 and 12710. The lowest temperature with a heatsink with 4 copper pipes and 2 fans is -30°C. But you can do better by stacking them. I'm using 12710 on the bottom and running it with 12V and the top one is 12709 which is running with 5V. The result is -35°C. If you give too much current, the produced heat also heats them. If you have an oscillator, you may try the voltage/current ratios and find a way better solution (unfortunately I don't have one, I couldn't try it). Another good way is the cooling down the hot heatsink, not with air but with water or something do not freeze in those temperatures. If you use ice to cool down the heatsink you may easily see -50°C. What I think is that using the second cooler to cool down the main one with liquid cooling. So if you cool down the main heatsink to -10°C, you'll probably see -55°C and so on. I'm gonna try that soon and hope these ideas also help to someone. Keep up with good work!
Wow! I am just getting into TEC and looking for more people to join my Facebook group to share their research etc. with Thermal tech. facebook.com/groups/TEFENsTech
Well, how you apply thermal paste doesn't matter at all. Linus tech tips did a video about it. The only difference is if you apply too much or too little. So you're not right, but not wrong either :)
Anton Hylander well that is true also the thermal compound matters too but if I recall when he did another one of these he put a crapload of compound which is worse than too little.
Linus Tech tips is horrible for such things. Sorry but there are so many screw ups when it comes to temperature stuff. Like measuring the surface temperature of the case instead of the insides....
Man, thanks God I found your channel! :) I opened aroun 10 tabs in my browser to see just a part of your projects portfolio. I was using recomendations from YT during watching videos, and opening new and new tabs. :D
hey, your worst insulation is that plexi door.. if you use a thick bread of clear silicone around the perimeter, and use a second sheet of plexi. it traps air, makes a double glazed panel.. much better. and if you use a couple of led ribbon into the edge of the awesome sheet, it will light up the wording in an awesome way ;)
RCLifeOn *testing required* but I reckon 2*2mm with an air gap would be an improvement over 1*4mm - 2*4mm would probably be better but 3x2mm or even 4xv.thin probably better still It may well be too that you'd get better results using v.thin styrofoam or even rubber foam than air but the ability to see through is often an important consideration that overrides thermal efficiency Thanks though for the great video!
Thermal grease application: It doesn't bloody matter, anyone who says it does is an amateur who has never tried an alternative. All that matters is there isn't too much (oozing out the sides), and there isn't too little (i.e., you need full coverage of the CPU/peltier etc.)
Spreading paste creates air bubbles which means less thermal transfer. It works, but its much more inefficient. Using a pea sized bit of thermal paste will ensure it spreads evenly and equally, along with no bubbles to speak of. And also, even if the paste does ooze off to the sides, it won't hurt it. Too much paste will go off to the sides, and too little will reduce thermal transfer. So unless you are using the verge's method of applying thermal paste, it won't affect the temps if you use a bit too much.
10 degrees means that your insulation is terrible. Try making a bigger box but 3d print it so that there are air pockets between so that the insulation is better. The best insulator is a vacuum. Remember that temperature and pressure are directly related, lower temperature is negative pressure so its going to try to suck in the warm air. Try to make something with air pockets for insulation and with a door seal that can hold pressure. Then add an arduino so that switches the power off and on to maintain a certain temp. I know you can do it!! Keep up the good work.
Pizza med Banansmak yeah i know he switches it on to cool it down as much as possible, switches it off and waits and switches back on to compare temperature read on the display. The display or cooler won't work if power is not on 🙂
Now this is fantastic! I saw an old but still useful Waeco cool box on ebay, well it use to be a compressor fridge which had all the parts removed because the compressor is damaged. Could use this to bring it back to life as a thermoelectric cooler. Thanks showing this project!
Any information on the power supply? I can't find it in the "parts" section of the description :-) 10A with 200Watts means at least a 300 Watts power supply?
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AC100-240V-TO-DC-12V-2A-3A-5A-6A-8A-10A-LED-Power-Supply-Transformer-Adapter-UK/172768516266?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=471555836733&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 Just get one of these and no need for 200W peltier, 60W will be enough for small fridge. For 60W peltier get 6A 72W power supply.
If possible it's good to try and prevent too much ice building up on the heat sink, since ice is a fairly good thermal insulator. I built a peltier based fridge once for the car, which worked fine, but when running for a long time, sometimes the ice on the heatsinks inside continued to grow until it prevented the fans from spinning. So that's something to keep in mind.
That could be a problem, but if you set it to something like 8°C it will shut down when it reaches this temperature. I think it has enough time to defrost.
The way that you spread the "Thermal Compound" on your first project was correct,but should have used abit more. Putting a "Pea" size ball in the center and pressing the Peltier Device down will not spread it evenly completely or will not guarantee complete coverage of the Peltier Device's hot side or cold side. The surfaces must be covered completely for maximum cooling and heat removal!!!
thanks man and you do, "i dont speak swidish and english also" but yeah you inspire me to begin some projects ( 3D prints and electronics ) you are awesome thanks again :)
I could use your knowledge in this department. I'm making a cloud chamber for alpha particle detection and would like to use peltier coolers rather than dry ice for obvious reasons. Have you ever reached -30c and if so, what was your setup? Thank you.
@@marciapotter9654 unfortunately I've created a stack of three and can only reach -10c .. I haven't placed the whole 12v 5v power to each yet but I'll let you know when I rewire it.
Hey, I really like understanding Heat insulation efficiency in a forge wall, that stops over 2000 degrees passing through the forge wall, and stops it from melting a 2 mm outer casing. Excellent for thermal efficiency. It will help in knowing thermal efficiency for keeping something really freezing cold. Good luck.
Ignore the people that say ur applying it wrong. All the computer hardware you tubers like Linus, Paul, Jay, etc all get the same comments. And they all say it doesn't matter as long as you don't put too little. It really doesn't matter if you put a lot or apply it's weirdly, as long as there is enough to cover the whole thing it's fine.
Linus is an idiot, lets just say that much about it. Measuring the temperature of the case with a thermal camera instead of the temperatures of the CPU itself at some point. And its not about covering the whole surface either. The heat is most concentrated in the center. And they are NEVER completely plane, they are either concave or convex. So you don't spread it, but put a tiny blob in the center, so it spreads to those areas where its needed. There are enough tests by manufactures of coolers like zalman that proof that this is the best method. Thats why most of them recommend it to be done this way. If you spread it, you might have too little in some area, and you increase the chance of trapping air insite it.
Your insulation is better than you think - the reason it climbed to 10 °C after 30ish minutes is mainly the Peltier itself. The moment you turn it (and the hot side fan) off, the heat conducts to the cold side almost instantly. Within minutes the whole heat pump assembly will be at an equilibrium that's somewhere between the cold end's temperature (-7 °C) and the hot end's (probably touching 100 °C). The proper way to turn the pump off would be to slowly reduce power to the Peltier (e.g. using PWM) while keeping the hot side fan running. Only when the hot end is at room temperature (as opposed to searing hot) can you kill the fan.
Can you make any project on cooling water? I need it to cool my 75 liters (20 gallons) aquarium from 47C to 25C. Btw this is the best youtube channel on diy projects I came across. And something new you can do is mention the total cost of the project.
+RCLifeOn You should do a huge video where you show every bit of tech you own.(RC's,Printers,Tools,and such) In my opinion it should be for a 100K Subscriber Special.
What I've learned about Peltier devices is that they can have an awesome coefficient of performance of 5 or even more - this is potentially better even than an ordinary domestic fridge. But you have to under-drive them to get that, and you get a small temperature differential. So the challenge is to make a highly fuel-efficient peltier fridge, that will inevitably require multiple devices in some sort of serial configuration to get an adequate effect with high energy efficiency.
LOL! @Anton Hylander is correct. For a non-intricate piece of electronic material, such as peltier, as long as you get enough thermal paste spread evenly all over its surface, it's perfectly fine. Also, just in case some people commented to use a particular brand of thermal compound, well, it doesn't really matter (NOT a big deal) what brand of thermal paste we need use. An experiment done by a computer tech concludes that the temp difference of using the cheapest and pricey thermal compound is just around 2 to 3 Celcius.
If you want a solarpanel to supply it, it's gonna have to be bigger than an average car to supple enough current. And then it still probably wont have enough power to cool the car.
Not powerful enough. That particular Peltier has a refrigerating power of about 80 watts. You need at least a couple of kilowatts of power to keep a car interior cool on a Summer day
Hey homie, No matter what amount you put on as long as you don't put too little thermal compound you are doing it right. If you want to play it safe, especially when working with a computer, use thermal compound that isn't conductive.
i bought 3 of these pelitiers and connected them to a 12v source with 15amps and still not going under -15 c and i have tried stacking them which surprisingly gave me about 4c so what can i do to make the temp go below -15?
An honest presentation & an experiment ! you could improve yo cooler box with sealed rigifoam joints with hot glue or silicone glue & dark tinted door with internal LED indoor lamp to preserve cool inside.And better results may give if you have a metal encloser with internal rigifoam chamber surrounded by a sault insulator.this is over 40 years old trick in Sri Lanka that I assure and good luck with your experiments!
I just bought a cheaps 5 volt USB powered beverage cooler that can fit a can of beer. I paid around $1.5 USB defective not powering on the USB jack come loose, but I repaired it already. It has a peltier cooler just like yours, I think the size is identical. You said I can decrease the temperature by adding a larger fan? Is the cold plate temperature dependent on the cooling of the hot side of the peltier that is the colder the hot side gets the coldest the cold plate will be? I would like to experiment on this thing and was inspired watching your video. Thanks!
off course. i plan to be able to use it on a bottle off champagne at 6° so with a good insulation i think its ok. i do not want to cool the bottle, but to keep it cool.
The really interesting thing about Peltier thermoelectric cooler is that it is possible to also harness electricity from them. By applying electricity, a thermal differential develops. By applying a thermal differential, electricity develops. Yes the size is a limitation, but anything is possible. In the 50s, a desktop computer filled a room the size of most average houses today. Component miniaturization is always making new components and improving the efficiency.
That was cool! The worst part of the insulation is likely the door. Even though it's very nice looking - it's just a thin layer of acrylic. You can try to change the design so that you have the door on top of the box. That way you will at least minimize the convection on the outside that transfers a lot of heat to the door.
Thinking about making one of these myself. I'll probably try to find a lower-profile heatsink though. Ideally I'd like it to be able to hold sub-freezing temperatures in my car for the times when I need to take frozen food on long summer road trips. I think going with two lower-power modules (such as the TEC-12710 or 12706) stacked in series thermally and in parallel electrically would be able to maintain a greater temperature delta. I know it would reduce the efficiency as well as the overall heat flow rate of the system, but if the box is well-insulated then that won't really be a problem. An ice cooler would probably suffice, maybe with a rubber seal on the lid to let it form a partial vacuum inside.
I love your channel man, you have given me the inspiration to get into 3d printing, and I am now in love with peltier modules as well you're awesome keep it up!!
Thank you for your nice video. I would like to ask your help if i want to make an Air condition in my vehicle with pelteir, hwo many cells I need to make it ? my aim is to stop the main AC as it conseums 30% from motor capacity. the area needed tobe cooled down is 3.4 M3 (cubic meters) ?
your ac doesn't use 30% of your engine power, it consume a small number of horsepower (in the low single digits) and peltiers would be much less efficient, especially in a application where you are using your engine\alternator to generate the power needed. You'd like have to fit at least a high output alternator, possible install a second one to get enough power for your idea.
Hello! Great project ! Is it true that a Temperature controller damages a Peltier cell ? I red that PWM output needs to be filtered before being presented to the Peltier device ....
Do you know what the average power draw was when the peltier and fans were station keeping at -7C? Wondering if it would be possible to put a similar system in a cooler for an afternoon on the beach while running on some LiPos...
Didn't know if you knew you could "stack" TEC's to achieve even colder temps as each one will give you a drop for that stage.Beware though...you can fry a device if you can not produce sufficient cooling to wick the heat from each. My limit has been 2- 3 with air cooling alone. Can also use your controller to create a duty cycle, e.g x sec on and then x sec off. Have fun... jw
The best way to apply thermal paste to make it as scanty as possible and remove voids due to fine scratches or imperfections on the surface of the parts that come in contact with each other. Ideally there should be a direct contact between the peltier and the heat sink. Only spaces where there is no such direct contact should be filled by the thermal paste. So make a thin film just enough to cover the creases and remove any air spaces between the two parts. This is the reason sufficient pressure is applied so that the thermal paste is squeezed out to allow direct contact.
Hi, thanks for the video. I am still trying to wrap my head around peltier technology as I am trying to make a little desk air cooler/conditioner. So far, based on my tests, the coldest temperature I can get my Peltier at is roughly 19 degrees celcius. I don't have such a big heat sink like the one you used and my tests were done with just the cooling fan, the heat sink, the peltier, the smaller heat sink and a small fan to distribute the cold. However, I haven't installed the setup into a box of any kind yet, so my tests were done in a room with the room temperature. I did apply thermal paste between the peltier and the heat sinks for better distribution. I am using the following components: Peltier: 12715 Power Supply: 12v 15A Cooling Fan: 92 DA PC Fan Peltier Fan: 12V 40mm PC Fan How can I improve the setup and get it to go to at least 0 degree if not lower?
the heatsink unit is a PWM unit with 4 wires coming out of .. which of those 4 wires did you connect to the power supply, and which 2 did you discard? thanks for a great video!
Hi, Do you think it would be a good idea to build a freezer that is around 25cm x 25cm x 25cm and use it 24 hours in a commercial setting? would it make sense? would it be reliable? economical?
Hi. Please how do i cool a canned drink without opening it, using a thermoelectric cooler? Can i cool it directly or do i have to use air as a working fluid?
I am trying to bring the temperature of a 10 inch squared box surrounded by a 5 inches of styrofoam down to 20- with a single pelter thru a small hole cut out of the back of this box. What wattage pelter do I need and can it be air cooled or would water work better? thanks
Hey. Thank you for making this video. If you don't mind, please help me to answer my project question. Is it possible to use peltier element for keeping fish stay fresh in box with dimension 2 meter x 2 meter ?
if we are using the cold side of peltier in an insulated environment ,where does the heat from the air inside the insulated environment goes ,once it gets cooled by the cold side peltier.?
You really inspired me to make one and you are the best you tuber ever to me and you do great things and you are wanting to become better at what you do and you will.
What was hte wattage of the TEC you used? I dont have sound. I have hit w/o a box but it was a liquid cooled. You should look at starting to liquid cool as it keeps the hot side nearly ambient.
Hello! Thank you for the video. Do you think that this can be applied to a standard cooler box and can it be powered by a solar panel? Too keep the beer cold in summer.
i wonder if you make a box for your computer like this with 3 or 4 set ups all this on one box could it act as a temperature control device for your computer case
Question would be whether peltier element works as thermal insulator when it is turned off or thermal bridge, if the later then you have a huge heatsink on the outside =\
-7 is not bad considering the single plastiglass sheet door! Works better than I expected actually. I wonder how cool this could get a normal cool box when you stick that in the sun
Actually, the pea size thing is only for CPUs, because the die is in the center of the heat spreader. So if the full surface of the peltier is getting hot, you should indeed spread the grease over the entire device to ensure the entire device is getting cooled more efficiently.
RCLifeOn I finally got ice! I now know what I did wrong. But I have a question, what is that power supply at 7:05 called? I just need the name of the kind of power supply, not the brand name or something... Thank you for your video, it really cleared things up for me especially the thermostat part. If you could answer my question I would really appreciate it.
You don't even need a heat sink on the cold side. Just get a bigger heat sink for that side. I have one of those cheep refrigerators that uses a Peltier device & the motor was getting noisy from old age so I replaced it with a couple of computer fans. It made the soda cans freeze because the motors were circulating much more air past the hot side so I added a resistor to dial them back a bit & still didn't need a fan in the cold side.
reduce your voltage to see if the temp on this drops more that is what im finding with the 12715 peltier if it does drop with lower voltage please comment back im doing a conversion of a 4.4 cubic foot fridge and am having a problem with the heat sinks i am using getting saturated with heat and not getting max cold but get colder when voltage is reduced. I am not using a tower heat sink so i dont know about the performance of them and would be interested to know how it goes.
Hi Simon, nice small project, like to see your bigger project. btw. , the inspiration you are doing with your channel is very welcome and thats why I am supporting you. BR Michael
i hope either you or someone could reply this. im using 12706 with 12C 10A power supply unit. when connected the peltier not freeze just cold. the draw current only 1 amp. im using a huge heatsink on the hotside. is the peltier broke?
When peltier turns off, it effectively is big cold bridge with huge heatsink :) test it with voltmeter - when it is turned off, it starts to work as thermoelectric generator - heat difference between inside and outside makes it produce voltage and inside heatsing melts immediately. So if you ant to improve efficiency, best would be to use just big enough peltier to keep temperature you need. You can also make power consumption lower by recucing voltage - that power supply should have adjustment screw to turn it to somewhere to 10-11V
Peltier elements are usually designed to reach a 40 C temperature gradient between the two faces. You managed to get 38 C difference which is actually very good. If you want a lower temperature, you need to put 2 or more Peltier elements in series. Nice stuff!
When you turn unit off, inside temp is -7 degrees. Now ambient air heats external heatsink and transfers heat energy through peltier device back into your coolbox. Want proof? disconnect x4 heatsink when you disconnect power. Now coolbox stays colder after 30 minutes. Great video mate and thanks for sharing. Keep up the good work
excuse for my poor english, but really dont forget that when you turn off your system the hot side of module diffuse heat in all the system (evo+hot side ->radiator+cold side) instantly, and all the time heat "wins" against cold. to reduce this effect you can try to mount the evo in push-pull with a mini inverter circuit with 11.1 lipo only to supply the fans on the hot side when the system is suddently turn off. Then mount like pc peltier cooling a brass plate near 5 mm ep. between hot side and evo. the temperature issue is not bring only by insulation. nice video, good project!
i've assembled dozens of pc in the past and that's how i applied the thermal paste. i don't know if there's any new method today but imo the reason why it's the best way is that it will guarantees 100% thermal contact (not surface contact) without any bubble, but of course if you managed to cover the whole surface it will be ideal. i really don't see any other ways are bad, as long as the paste cover most of the surfaces around 95%, you're good to go. most method will cover all the surface as long as they apply enough pressure to the plate. it's all about heat transfer efficiency.
the only concern i have with this build is the door placement. i'd rather put the door on top of the box to minimize the cold air "leakage" when you open the door. i'm not expert on this, but i always imagining cold air is just like water. it goes down to the low places. so, if you open the side door, i kinda "see" the cold air immediately pouring out. but it's a design issue, the concept still works.
good job, though I wonder how the inside fan will cope with the inevitable condensation on switch off.
"Inspire and have a lot of fun!" I like that, thank you!
Great video. Never thought one can reach as low as -7 degree with peltier thermocouple.
Great video! I'm also working on making a cloud chamber which means I need to see the lowest temperature that I can get. I did some experiments with 12706, 12709 and 12710. The lowest temperature with a heatsink with 4 copper pipes and 2 fans is -30°C. But you can do better by stacking them. I'm using 12710 on the bottom and running it with 12V and the top one is 12709 which is running with 5V. The result is -35°C. If you give too much current, the produced heat also heats them. If you have an oscillator, you may try the voltage/current ratios and find a way better solution (unfortunately I don't have one, I couldn't try it). Another good way is the cooling down the hot heatsink, not with air but with water or something do not freeze in those temperatures. If you use ice to cool down the heatsink you may easily see -50°C. What I think is that using the second cooler to cool down the main one with liquid cooling. So if you cool down the main heatsink to -10°C, you'll probably see -55°C and so on. I'm gonna try that soon and hope these ideas also help to someone. Keep up with good work!
Wow! I am just getting into TEC and looking for more people to join my Facebook group to share their research etc. with Thermal tech.
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How could I calculate the necessary Amp for a 12715?
In an experimental way, you just need to test it. You can also try square wave signals with a particular frequency.
That's a clever thought. I might try that one (y).
Even though your comment section seems to be full of weird people your videos are amazing and I keep looking forward to seeing more
What if you used a bi-metal Clad heat sink and no thermal paste?? I would think you could achieve a lower temp. I could send you a sample.
Hi Eric. Can you provide more details on using no thermal paste. Would appreciate. Thanks
Thanks guy, you do wonderful job, very clear and so professional when you do a presentation of the subject. Keep on body. Great job !!!
Well, how you apply thermal paste doesn't matter at all. Linus tech tips did a video about it. The only difference is if you apply too much or too little. So you're not right, but not wrong either :)
Linus tech tips did a video on it and said that the best way is to make a pea sized drop.
But that video is about two years old, don't know about his newer ones
Maybe they said that, I don't remember, but there was no difference at all as long as you didn't apply too little or too much.
Anton Hylander well that is true also the thermal compound matters too but if I recall when he did another one of these he put a crapload of compound which is worse than too little.
Linus Tech tips is horrible for such things. Sorry but there are so many screw ups when it comes to temperature stuff. Like measuring the surface temperature of the case instead of the insides....
Man, thanks God I found your channel! :) I opened aroun 10 tabs in my browser to see just a part of your projects portfolio. I was using recomendations from YT during watching videos, and opening new and new tabs. :D
hey, your worst insulation is that plexi door.. if you use a thick bread of clear silicone around the perimeter, and use a second sheet of plexi. it traps air, makes a double glazed panel.. much better.
and if you use a couple of led ribbon into the edge of the awesome sheet, it will light up the wording in an awesome way ;)
Yeah thanks for your suggestions! I was using 4mm acrylic, but maybe 2x 2mm sheets would actually work better? Or why not just go with 2x 4mm sheets!
RCLifeOn *testing required* but I reckon 2*2mm with an air gap would be an improvement over 1*4mm - 2*4mm would probably be better but 3x2mm or even 4xv.thin probably better still
It may well be too that you'd get better results using v.thin styrofoam or even rubber foam than air but the ability to see through is often an important consideration that overrides thermal efficiency
Thanks though for the great video!
Thermal grease application: It doesn't bloody matter, anyone who says it does is an amateur who has never tried an alternative. All that matters is there isn't too much (oozing out the sides), and there isn't too little (i.e., you need full coverage of the CPU/peltier etc.)
air pockets do matter
You literally said it doesn't matter and then said it matters
Spreading paste creates air bubbles which means less thermal transfer. It works, but its much more inefficient. Using a pea sized bit of thermal paste will ensure it spreads evenly and equally, along with no bubbles to speak of. And also, even if the paste does ooze off to the sides, it won't hurt it. Too much paste will go off to the sides, and too little will reduce thermal transfer. So unless you are using the verge's method of applying thermal paste, it won't affect the temps if you use a bit too much.
10 degrees means that your insulation is terrible. Try making a bigger box but 3d print it so that there are air pockets between so that the insulation is better. The best insulator is a vacuum. Remember that temperature and pressure are directly related, lower temperature is negative pressure so its going to try to suck in the warm air. Try to make something with air pockets for insulation and with a door seal that can hold pressure. Then add an arduino so that switches the power off and on to maintain a certain temp. I know you can do it!! Keep up the good work.
it's the peltier not the insulation
9:40 why is it on???
Pizza med Banansmak no he switched it on look at the plug light. It's so he can see the led LED splay
hmm i think cheating!
George Elsham but I mean that it had already gone like 15 minutes and it was on. Before he turns it on to see the display
Pizza med Banansmak he's looking at how long the cold takes to make an equilibrium with the air trmperature
Pizza med Banansmak yeah i know he switches it on to cool it down as much as possible, switches it off and waits and switches back on to compare temperature read on the display. The display or cooler won't work if power is not on 🙂
Now this is fantastic! I saw an old but still useful Waeco cool box on ebay, well it use to be a compressor fridge which had all the parts removed because the compressor is damaged. Could use this to bring it back to life as a thermoelectric cooler. Thanks showing this project!
Any information on the power supply? I can't find it in the "parts" section of the description :-)
10A with 200Watts means at least a 300 Watts power supply?
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AC100-240V-TO-DC-12V-2A-3A-5A-6A-8A-10A-LED-Power-Supply-Transformer-Adapter-UK/172768516266?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=471555836733&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
Just get one of these and no need for 200W peltier, 60W will be enough for small fridge. For 60W peltier get 6A 72W power supply.
Power supply for 12706 is 5 amps (60 watts peltier).
If possible it's good to try and prevent too much ice building up on the heat sink, since ice is a fairly good thermal insulator.
I built a peltier based fridge once for the car, which worked fine, but when running for a long time, sometimes the ice on the heatsinks inside continued to grow until it prevented the fans from spinning. So that's something to keep in mind.
That could be a problem, but if you set it to something like 8°C it will shut down when it reaches this temperature. I think it has enough time to defrost.
@@Rowie12 Yes, that's true. But you know, if it's a freezer you're probably not gonna set it to 8 °C are you?
@@phinok.m.628 You're right of course. It's hard getting no ice on the heatsink and I don't know a solution.
The way that you spread the "Thermal Compound" on your first project was correct,but should have used abit more. Putting a "Pea" size ball in the center and pressing the Peltier Device down will not spread it evenly completely or will not guarantee complete coverage of the Peltier Device's hot side or cold side. The surfaces must be covered completely for maximum cooling and heat removal!!!
thanks man and you do, "i dont speak swidish and english also" but yeah you inspire me to begin some projects ( 3D prints and electronics ) you are awesome thanks again :)
I could use your knowledge in this department. I'm making a cloud chamber for alpha particle detection and would like to use peltier coolers rather than dry ice for obvious reasons. Have you ever reached -30c and if so, what was your setup? Thank you.
canadiandude7 I'd really like to see a follow-up on your cloud chamber. Hope you find the answers you're looking for so you can share your creation.
@@marciapotter9654 unfortunately I've created a stack of three and can only reach -10c .. I haven't placed the whole 12v 5v power to each yet but I'll let you know when I rewire it.
Hey, I really like understanding Heat insulation efficiency in a forge wall, that stops over 2000 degrees passing through the forge wall, and stops it from melting a 2 mm outer casing. Excellent for thermal efficiency. It will help in knowing thermal efficiency for keeping something really freezing cold. Good luck.
you are awesome man I am really impressed with your projects keep it up m8... 🤗🤗🤗
Good work please what kind of peltier you used thanks
can u plz elaborate explanation related to the power supply used
It was from the Tevis tarantula 3D printer
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Ignore the people that say ur applying it wrong. All the computer hardware you tubers like Linus, Paul, Jay, etc all get the same comments. And they all say it doesn't matter as long as you don't put too little. It really doesn't matter if you put a lot or apply it's weirdly, as long as there is enough to cover the whole thing it's fine.
Linus is an idiot, lets just say that much about it. Measuring the temperature of the case with a thermal camera instead of the temperatures of the CPU itself at some point.
And its not about covering the whole surface either.
The heat is most concentrated in the center. And they are NEVER completely plane, they are either concave or convex.
So you don't spread it, but put a tiny blob in the center, so it spreads to those areas where its needed.
There are enough tests by manufactures of coolers like zalman that proof that this is the best method. Thats why most of them recommend it to be done this way.
If you spread it, you might have too little in some area, and you increase the chance of trapping air insite it.
djteac it still doesn't not matter as long as you don't put a little. It has to just cover the whole metal part
Your insulation is better than you think - the reason it climbed to 10 °C after 30ish minutes is mainly the Peltier itself. The moment you turn it (and the hot side fan) off, the heat conducts to the cold side almost instantly. Within minutes the whole heat pump assembly will be at an equilibrium that's somewhere between the cold end's temperature (-7 °C) and the hot end's (probably touching 100 °C).
The proper way to turn the pump off would be to slowly reduce power to the Peltier (e.g. using PWM) while keeping the hot side fan running. Only when the hot end is at room temperature (as opposed to searing hot) can you kill the fan.
Can you make any project on cooling water? I need it to cool my 75 liters (20 gallons) aquarium from 47C to 25C. Btw this is the best youtube channel on diy projects I came across. And something new you can do is mention the total cost of the project.
is thermal paste needed on cold side? for what make it much cooler?
+RCLifeOn You should do a huge video where you show every bit of tech you own.(RC's,Printers,Tools,and such)
In my opinion it should be for a 100K Subscriber Special.
What I've learned about Peltier devices is that they can have an awesome coefficient of performance of 5 or even more - this is potentially better even than an ordinary domestic fridge. But you have to under-drive them to get that, and you get a small temperature differential. So the challenge is to make a highly fuel-efficient peltier fridge, that will inevitably require multiple devices in some sort of serial configuration to get an adequate effect with high energy efficiency.
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Is it possible to use enough of them together to generate charge while they cool?
@@orioguy9 I don't know, I haven't actually done any experiments yet
Heard of a cooling heatsink and fan on it- Thought that he is going to make a super duper mega turbo CPU cooler that cools below ambient temps
is expensive and use a lot of power
How would you wire it differently to make the fans on the radiator stop spinning when the set temp is reached?
Parabéns, ótimo vídeo, projeto limpo e organizado, like for You man.
LOL! @Anton Hylander is correct. For a non-intricate piece of electronic material, such as peltier, as long as you get enough thermal paste spread evenly all over its surface, it's perfectly fine. Also, just in case some people commented to use a particular brand of thermal compound, well, it doesn't really matter (NOT a big deal) what brand of thermal paste we need use. An experiment done by a computer tech concludes that the temp difference of using the cheapest and pricey thermal compound is just around 2 to 3 Celcius.
Can you modify it to use it inside a car when a car is parked to reduce heat
ABDALLA ALSUBAIE Not really efficient enough, plus if it draws a maximum of 15 amps, it will drain the cars battery pretty fast.
karlpc200 try solar cell. Don't connect by car battery
ABDALLA ALSUBAIE you would be adding more weight and with how he drives everything would get destroyed in seconds
If you want a solarpanel to supply it, it's gonna have to be bigger than an average car to supple enough current. And then it still probably wont have enough power to cool the car.
Not powerful enough. That particular Peltier has a refrigerating power of about 80 watts. You need at least a couple of kilowatts of power to keep a car interior cool on a Summer day
Hey homie,
No matter what amount you put on as long as you don't put too little thermal compound you are doing it right. If you want to play it safe, especially when working with a computer, use thermal compound that isn't conductive.
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Hey thanks mate!
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i bought 3 of these pelitiers and connected them to a 12v source with 15amps and still not going under -15 c and i have tried stacking them which surprisingly gave me about 4c so what can i do to make the temp go below -15?
AGH. Knife in Styrofoam. THE WORST WOUND EVER!
BraedanRicketts Ricketts I love that sound
I thought that I was the only one. Rubbing them together kills me too. I fast forwarded that part.
You think cardboard cuts hurt try a foamboard cut
Yah i hate that sound to.
@@RowynOfficial - to.... what?
An honest presentation & an experiment ! you could improve yo cooler box with sealed rigifoam joints with hot glue or silicone glue & dark tinted door with internal LED indoor lamp to preserve cool inside.And better results may give if you have a metal encloser with internal rigifoam chamber surrounded by a sault insulator.this is over 40 years old trick in Sri Lanka that I assure and good luck with your experiments!
make a wind generator to charge batteries
I just bought a cheaps 5 volt USB powered beverage cooler that can fit a can of beer. I paid around $1.5 USB defective not powering on the USB jack come loose, but I repaired it already. It has a peltier cooler just like yours, I think the size is identical. You said I can decrease the temperature by adding a larger fan? Is the cold plate temperature dependent on the cooling of the hot side of the peltier that is the colder the hot side gets the coldest the cold plate will be? I would like to experiment on this thing and was inspired watching your video. Thanks!
Those peltier modules are as efficient as 2% right now you use as much power as a big refrigerator for a lower volume and higher temperature...
its the elegance off making a functioning thing then come the improvementsssssssss
if you ask me that makes it bigger.
off course. i plan to be able to use it on a bottle off champagne at 6° so with a good insulation i think its ok. i do not want to cool the bottle, but to keep it cool.
it's easier.
The really interesting thing about Peltier thermoelectric cooler is that it is possible to also harness electricity from them. By applying electricity, a thermal differential develops. By applying a thermal differential, electricity develops. Yes the size is a limitation, but anything is possible. In the 50s, a desktop computer filled a room the size of most average houses today. Component miniaturization is always making new components and improving the efficiency.
That was cool! The worst part of the insulation is likely the door. Even though it's very nice looking - it's just a thin layer of acrylic. You can try to change the design so that you have the door on top of the box. That way you will at least minimize the convection on the outside that transfers a lot of heat to the door.
Are you going to hydroplane your RC car?
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Thinking about making one of these myself. I'll probably try to find a lower-profile heatsink though. Ideally I'd like it to be able to hold sub-freezing temperatures in my car for the times when I need to take frozen food on long summer road trips. I think going with two lower-power modules (such as the TEC-12710 or 12706) stacked in series thermally and in parallel electrically would be able to maintain a greater temperature delta. I know it would reduce the efficiency as well as the overall heat flow rate of the system, but if the box is well-insulated then that won't really be a problem. An ice cooler would probably suffice, maybe with a rubber seal on the lid to let it form a partial vacuum inside.
'big' heatsink.
that's a fairly small/average cooler..
Very good that you included the wiring! I think a lot wanted that.
please no more hand held footage
Alright, some people seem to like it while some just don't care for it at all. Perhaps I will go a little easier with it next time.
RCLifeOn i enjoyed it tbh
RCLifeOn footage was good, don't worry. thanks for the video.
Made me seasick
Just get drunk before you watch it and the effects cancel out LOL
Wow, nice job! NOTE, you could use silicon to make a seal around the box and the door.
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I love your channel man, you have given me the inspiration to get into 3d printing, and I am now in love with peltier modules as well you're awesome keep it up!!
Thank you for your nice video.
I would like to ask your help if i want to make an Air condition in my vehicle with pelteir, hwo many cells I need to make it ?
my aim is to stop the main AC as it conseums 30% from motor capacity.
the area needed tobe cooled down is 3.4 M3 (cubic meters) ?
your ac doesn't use 30% of your engine power, it consume a small number of horsepower (in the low single digits) and peltiers would be much less efficient, especially in a application where you are using your engine\alternator to generate the power needed. You'd like have to fit at least a high output alternator, possible install a second one to get enough power for your idea.
thank you for your concern and reply
That was awesome. Looking forward to whatever your planned Peltier project is.
Hello! Great project ! Is it true that a Temperature controller damages a Peltier cell ? I red that PWM output needs to be filtered before being presented to the Peltier device ....
Do you know what the average power draw was when the peltier and fans were station keeping at -7C? Wondering if it would be possible to put a similar system in a cooler for an afternoon on the beach while running on some LiPos...
Didn't know if you knew you could "stack" TEC's to achieve even colder temps as each one will give you a drop for that stage.Beware though...you can fry a device if you can not produce sufficient cooling to wick the heat from each. My limit has been 2- 3 with air cooling alone. Can also use your controller to create a duty cycle, e.g x sec on and then x sec off. Have fun... jw
The best way to apply thermal paste to make it as scanty as possible and remove voids due to fine scratches or imperfections on the surface of the parts that come in contact with each other. Ideally there should be a direct contact between the peltier and the heat sink. Only spaces where there is no such direct contact should be filled by the thermal paste. So make a thin film just enough to cover the creases and remove any air spaces between the two parts. This is the reason sufficient pressure is applied so that the thermal paste is squeezed out to allow direct contact.
ii si a great demonstration on how Peltier cooler works. Thanx!
Hi, thanks for the video. I am still trying to wrap my head around peltier technology as I am trying to make a little desk air cooler/conditioner. So far, based on my tests, the coldest temperature I can get my Peltier at is roughly 19 degrees celcius. I don't have such a big heat sink like the one you used and my tests were done with just the cooling fan, the heat sink, the peltier, the smaller heat sink and a small fan to distribute the cold. However, I haven't installed the setup into a box of any kind yet, so my tests were done in a room with the room temperature. I did apply thermal paste between the peltier and the heat sinks for better distribution.
I am using the following components:
Peltier: 12715
Power Supply: 12v 15A
Cooling Fan: 92 DA PC Fan
Peltier Fan: 12V 40mm PC Fan
How can I improve the setup and get it to go to at least 0 degree if not lower?
this was a great video and I want to try a similar project. The items list links seem to have expired. Any insights would be appreciated
the heatsink unit is a PWM unit with 4 wires coming out of .. which of those 4 wires did you connect to the power supply, and which 2 did you discard? thanks for a great video!
Hi,
Do you think it would be a good idea to build a freezer that is around 25cm x 25cm x 25cm and use it 24 hours in a commercial setting? would it make sense? would it be reliable? economical?
756amjad probably not economical
Hi. Please how do i cool a canned drink without opening it, using a thermoelectric cooler? Can i cool it directly or do i have to use air as a working fluid?
I am trying to bring the temperature of a 10 inch squared box surrounded by a 5 inches of styrofoam down to 20- with a single pelter thru a small hole cut out of the back of this box. What wattage pelter do I need and can it be air cooled or would water work better? thanks
Hi.have you ever tried to dip the peltier into a water and see what gonna happen is the water will boil first or freeze first..
Hey.. good job, but instead of connecting cooling fans have you tried connecting multiple semiconductor cooler devices in cascade?
Hey. Thank you for making this video.
If you don't mind, please help me to answer my project question.
Is it possible to use peltier element for keeping fish stay fresh in box with dimension 2 meter x 2 meter ?
if we are using the cold side of peltier in an insulated environment ,where does the heat from the air inside the insulated environment goes ,once it gets cooled by the cold side peltier.?
Great project , will get these components for my son project. Thumbs up
sir , would a design with conducting sheet around the body instead of the small heat sink work
You really inspired me to make one and you are the best you tuber ever to me and you do great things and you are wanting to become better at what you do and you will.
I have one question, why need to use cpu fan? Is it the cpu fan will produce cooler to hot ceramic to enhance the cold of the cold ceramic side?
Nice experiment, can you expand or develop to hot and cool refrigerator
What was hte wattage of the TEC you used? I dont have sound. I have hit w/o a box but it was a liquid cooled. You should look at starting to liquid cool as it keeps the hot side nearly ambient.
Hello! Thank you for the video. Do you think that this can be applied to a standard cooler box and can it be powered by a solar panel? Too keep the beer cold in summer.
i wonder if you make a box for your computer like this with 3 or 4 set ups all this on one box could it act as a temperature control device for your computer case
can you hood a power usage monitor and see how much power that sucks up to cool the box to the lowest setting
Can i also use the big heatsink for the cool side? Would this works? And how long does the thermoelectric module "live"?
is there a reason that you did not use a hot knife to cut the polystyrene foam?
Question would be whether peltier element works as thermal insulator when it is turned off or thermal bridge, if the later then you have a huge heatsink on the outside =\
-7 is not bad considering the single plastiglass sheet door! Works better than I expected actually. I wonder how cool this could get a normal cool box when you stick that in the sun
Actually, the pea size thing is only for CPUs, because the die is in the center of the heat spreader. So if the full surface of the peltier is getting hot, you should indeed spread the grease over the entire device to ensure the entire device is getting cooled more efficiently.
RCLifeOn I finally got ice! I now know what I did wrong. But I have a question, what is that power supply at 7:05 called? I just need the name of the kind of power supply, not the brand name or something...
Thank you for your video, it really cleared things up for me especially the thermostat part. If you could answer my question I would really appreciate it.
Thank you! I really appreciate it :)
you can combine the wire from fans to the temperature module so that when the peltier goes on or off so with the fans.
You don't even need a heat sink on the cold side. Just get a bigger heat sink for that side. I have one of those cheep refrigerators that uses a Peltier device & the motor was getting noisy from old age so I replaced it with a couple of computer fans. It made the soda cans freeze because the motors were circulating much more air past the hot side so I added a resistor to dial them back a bit & still didn't need a fan in the cold side.
Hi, I love what you have just done. However, I wonder if this can be used in making portable car aircon using either cigarette lighter or solar?
what happen when you replace the big heatsink with watercooler? is it will decrease the temperature inside the box?
reduce your voltage to see if the temp on this drops more that is what im finding with the 12715 peltier if it does drop with lower voltage please comment back im doing a conversion of a 4.4 cubic foot fridge and am having a problem with the heat sinks i am using getting saturated with heat and not getting max cold but get colder when voltage is reduced. I am not using a tower heat sink so i dont know about the performance of them and would be interested to know how it goes.
Hi Simon, nice small project, like to see your bigger project. btw. , the inspiration you are doing with your channel is very welcome and thats why I am supporting you. BR Michael
Which side air flows in the box
i hope either you or someone could reply this.
im using 12706 with 12C 10A power supply unit. when connected the peltier not freeze just cold. the draw current only 1 amp. im using a huge heatsink on the hotside. is the peltier broke?
When peltier turns off, it effectively is big cold bridge with huge heatsink :)
test it with voltmeter - when it is turned off, it starts to work as thermoelectric generator - heat difference between inside and outside makes it produce voltage and inside heatsing melts immediately.
So if you ant to improve efficiency, best would be to use just big enough peltier to keep temperature you need. You can also make power consumption lower by recucing voltage - that power supply should have adjustment screw to turn it to somewhere to 10-11V
Nice Pelthier project
You said leave it off for 30 minutes but its back on at 1:15? I'm confused.......
Nice, do you think that this can be used to cool an led COB light?