- Moving attractions back downtown - Focusing on walkability and street feel - Building a five spoke LRT hub at Churchill Square Really like the way this city is going in the last 6 years.
Excellent route plan. All the way from millwoods through bonnie doon and on the surface west from 96 street. Stony to 156 to meadowlark, misericordia, WEM, lewis estates-brilliant. Can't wait to see it.
Snow is still going to be a problem for the low train. We have enough trouble clearing the streets in Edmonton. How is the snow going to be removed from the grooves when the rails are flat with the streets?
I rode this "Urban" Low Floor LRT in Phoenix, and I think it's great. It's very accessible and is a very smooth ride . It is the kind of train I could ride just for fun to see the sights, and Edmonton has lots of things to see out the windows. I doubt though, that ETS would match the lower fares Phoenix offers seniors.
Each low floor car will be 40 metres long and have a passenger capacity of 270. The new line will support two-car trains, for a passenger capacity of 540 per train. The Southeast to West stops will be built to accommodate two-car low floor trains.
During periods of regular snowfall, trains will be run at continuous intervals along the tracks in order to keep them clear. The LRT corridor itself will have high priority for snow clearing. Beyond this, the LRT Project Team has visited several cities operating urban LRT under winter conditions in order to learn their best practices; some of these may also be adopted depending on the severity of the snowfall.
They're two very different centres. Churchill is all cultural facillities and the LRT interchange, while Centre West serves all the office towers and shopping podiums on 101 Street (nearly every major tower we have) plus the proposed arena.
Preliminary design concludes this year (2013); detailed design will take place when a consortium is chosen to construct the Valley Line. Basically, by end of November 2013, the plan for the Valley Line will be "shelf-ready".
The City of Edmonton has held more than 50 public consultation events on the Valley Line since preliminary design began, and will continue to do so over the coming months. The final public consultation for the West segment takes place on September 18, 2013, and the final plan for the entire line will be presented to Edmontonians at City Hall at a future date in November.
Under a P3 delivery for the Southeast LRT, the City of Edmonton will continue to control the fares to ensure that all transit services in Edmonton are part of an integrated system. Purchasing a monthly pass, or a single use pass on the bus or either of the LRT lines, will entitle the rider to use all 3 modes of Edmonton’s transit system.
Risks associated with the design, construction, operation, maintenance and financing of the infrastructure are transferred in part to the P3 contractor. Risks associated with constructing the infrastructure, along with the long term maintenance of the infrastructure, are passed on to the P3 contractor. Normally, the City receives a 2 year warranty on new infrastructure, however under a P3 scenario, the City receives a 30 year warranty.
Ultimately the City, Province and Federal governments will pay the full value of the capital investment. However under a P3 delivery, the contractor front ends a portion of the capital investment. The contractor is then repaid over the 30-year operations and maintenance term. That front-ended contractor capital ensures that the contractor will deliver the service per the specifications that are prescribed.
The City will also define performance specifications for the service to be provided, including but not limited to the frequency of service, cleanliness of the system and ride quality. If the P3 operator does not perform to the prescribed levels of service, their payments are reduced accordingly. These financial incentives will ensure that service on the SE-W LRT is adhered to the same level as our current LRT system.
Having a single entity responsible for all these items creates a “whole-of-life” approach to designing, constructing, operating and maintaining the LRT system. This reduces risk on the project, which reduces the cost of the project over its full life cycle.
Again, thanks for the response. And again secondly, is the private firm(s) that will be running the train contributing money to the project? From everything that i'm reading the City, province, and Federal are the only ones contributions the capital investment into the project. Thanks for the info. a
You gotta understand that this LRT is a LOW FLOOR LRT... more like a glorified street-car, but with it's own dedicated lane. Stations with a low-floor system are no more than just a curb with a few benches. Portland is a great example of low-floor LRT.
Going through the traffic circle without a direct free-flow from Connors to 83st is a huge mistake. Other than highway cloverleafs, traffic circles are the most efficient intersections for traffic volume. As well, taking morning commuters on a joyride around the river valley is hardly a faster commute. I can guarantee that this train will be slower than the buses that currently serve Millwoods. On the upside, great job at moving the line from 103ave to 102 now.
I like where Edmonton's mass transit system is going. I'm a little apprehensive about Calgary's system and where it's heading... The downtown core will be burdened with four above-ground lines, creating so much ridiculous congestion! Why didn't we build underground like you guys?!
First of all thanks for the response, I really appreciate it. Secondly, whats the point of private company running public funded infrastructure. All the news briefs state that the "risk" of running is being transferred to the private company, what risk are we talking about? For private company, making money is the bottom line, can you please clear up how the City and the Fed gov will ensure same quality of service as we receive now. Where are the rail drivers coming from? How is this better? thx
Besides the fact that they both house very different kinds of activities (cultural/festivals vs. shopping/business) building transit stops for low-floor LRT cost a fraction to the huge concrete stops that the current LRT has, and they barely take up any extra room, as well.
Build it. Either that or make a streetcar system (join the streetcar system with the LRT at the crossing just before southgate station or at the end of the line)
Scrap it. Between using the streetcars instead of the existing real LRT trains we already have and implementing more at-grade crossings that have created more traffic messes then they’ve solved from latest expansion, this is exactly what we don't need. Better to wait for the right plan than hurry through the wrong one.
- Moving attractions back downtown
- Focusing on walkability and street feel
- Building a five spoke LRT hub at Churchill Square
Really like the way this city is going in the last 6 years.
Excellent route plan. All the way from millwoods through bonnie doon and on the surface west from 96 street. Stony to 156 to meadowlark, misericordia, WEM, lewis estates-brilliant. Can't wait to see it.
I think the LRT would be a lot more useful if it were expanded to West Edmonton Mall.
Snow is still going to be a problem for the low train. We have enough trouble clearing the streets in Edmonton. How is the snow going to be removed from the grooves when the rails are flat with the streets?
I rode this "Urban" Low Floor LRT in Phoenix, and I think it's great. It's very accessible and is a very smooth ride
. It is the kind of train I could ride just for fun to see the sights, and Edmonton has lots of things to see out the windows. I doubt though, that ETS would match the lower fares Phoenix offers seniors.
Each low floor car will be 40 metres long and have a passenger capacity of 270. The new line will support two-car trains, for a passenger capacity of 540 per train.
The Southeast to West stops will be built to accommodate two-car low floor trains.
During periods of regular snowfall, trains will be run at continuous intervals along the tracks in order to keep them clear. The LRT corridor itself will have high priority for snow clearing. Beyond this, the LRT Project Team has visited several cities operating urban LRT under winter conditions in order to learn their best practices; some of these may also be adopted depending on the severity of the snowfall.
They're two very different centres.
Churchill is all cultural facillities and the LRT interchange, while Centre West serves all the office towers and shopping podiums on 101 Street (nearly every major tower we have) plus the proposed arena.
the design is okay but it should be underground downtown. It shouldnt eliminate several lanes of traffic on 102 ave. It should be underground.
love everything, but why did you have to get rid of whitemud amusement park?! i grew up at that place...
Preliminary design concludes this year (2013); detailed design will take place when a consortium is chosen to construct the Valley Line. Basically, by end of November 2013, the plan for the Valley Line will be "shelf-ready".
The City of Edmonton has held more than 50 public consultation events on the Valley Line since preliminary design began, and will continue to do so over the coming months. The final public consultation for the West segment takes place on September 18, 2013, and the final plan for the entire line will be presented to Edmontonians at City Hall at a future date in November.
Under a P3 delivery for the Southeast LRT, the City of Edmonton will continue to control the fares to ensure that all transit services in Edmonton are part of an integrated system. Purchasing a monthly pass, or a single use pass on the bus or either of the LRT lines, will entitle the rider to use all 3 modes of Edmonton’s transit system.
Risks associated with the design, construction, operation, maintenance and financing of the infrastructure are transferred in part to the P3 contractor. Risks associated with constructing the infrastructure, along with the long term maintenance of the infrastructure, are passed on to the P3 contractor. Normally, the City receives a 2 year warranty on new infrastructure, however under a P3 scenario, the City receives a 30 year warranty.
cuz that's what low-floor LRT is for, in a dense area it's essentially designed to be a fancy street car.
Building underground cost a lot.We here in Edmonton were lucky it was built about 30 years ago.
Ultimately the City, Province and Federal governments will pay the full value of the capital investment. However under a P3 delivery, the contractor front ends a portion of the capital investment. The contractor is then repaid over the 30-year operations and maintenance term. That front-ended contractor capital ensures that the contractor will deliver the service per the specifications that are prescribed.
The City will also define performance specifications for the service to be provided, including but not limited to the frequency of service, cleanliness of the system and ride quality. If the P3 operator does not perform to the prescribed levels of service, their payments are reduced accordingly. These financial incentives will ensure that service on the SE-W LRT is adhered to the same level as our current LRT system.
Having a single entity responsible for all these items creates a “whole-of-life” approach to designing, constructing, operating and maintaining the LRT system. This reduces risk on the project, which reduces the cost of the project over its full life cycle.
Again, thanks for the response. And again secondly, is the private firm(s) that will be running the train contributing money to the project? From everything that i'm reading the City, province, and Federal are the only ones contributions the capital investment into the project. Thanks for the info. a
You gotta understand that this LRT is a LOW FLOOR LRT... more like a glorified street-car, but with it's own dedicated lane. Stations with a low-floor system are no more than just a curb with a few benches. Portland is a great example of low-floor LRT.
How long are these train platforms? Can this new line support five car trains (the same capacity as the current network)?
Going through the traffic circle without a direct free-flow from Connors to 83st is a huge mistake. Other than highway cloverleafs, traffic circles are the most efficient intersections for traffic volume. As well, taking morning commuters on a joyride around the river valley is hardly a faster commute. I can guarantee that this train will be slower than the buses that currently serve Millwoods. On the upside, great job at moving the line from 103ave to 102 now.
I like where Edmonton's mass transit system is going. I'm a little apprehensive about Calgary's system and where it's heading... The downtown core will be burdened with four above-ground lines, creating so much ridiculous congestion! Why didn't we build underground like you guys?!
First of all thanks for the response, I really appreciate it. Secondly, whats the point of private company running public funded infrastructure. All the news briefs state that the "risk" of running is being transferred to the private company, what risk are we talking about? For private company, making money is the bottom line, can you please clear up how the City and the Fed gov will ensure same quality of service as we receive now. Where are the rail drivers coming from? How is this better? thx
Besides the fact that they both house very different kinds of activities (cultural/festivals vs. shopping/business) building transit stops for low-floor LRT cost a fraction to the huge concrete stops that the current LRT has, and they barely take up any extra room, as well.
Can't wait :)
Build it. Either that or make a streetcar system (join the streetcar system with the LRT at the crossing just before southgate station or at the end of the line)
Omgomgomgomgomg city centre bike lanes!!
It seems so far away D:
i know that is a problem,but it is still awsome!
why make a stop that is just a 3 minute walk away? seems like a waste of money. (churchcill and city center west)
I love the fact that I will have to buy another bus pass because this train will be run by a private company, not the ETS.
Git 'er dun!
Scrap it. Between using the streetcars instead of the existing real LRT trains we already have and implementing more at-grade crossings that have created more traffic messes then they’ve solved from latest expansion, this is exactly what we don't need. Better to wait for the right plan than hurry through the wrong one.