I'm buying this stabilizer today. And I saved this video for my install because your instructions are awesome. Big time thanks for taking the time to show us how to do this correctly. You've done your good deed for humanity bud : )
You'll be really happy with it I am. I'm really glad you found it of help! It took me awhile to figure it out. You think they wouldn't have good instructions. Take care & enjoy!
Super helpful video given that the £12 Amazon variation I bought didn’t come with any fitting instructions. The gizmo itself has worked a treat on an el cheapo Bullet Strat. I’d already fitted graphtech nut and trees and locking tuners but was still having tuning stability issues when using the trem. This little device has sorted it (although the trem does have a different feel to it now). Thanks again!
I really glad to hear that it was of help! Don't feel bad Floyd Rose didn't send instructions either. It does give the bar a different feel. You're welcome.
You want to use two screws to fasten the trem plate. What i would do is grab a super V blade runner trem and install a two screw mount plate only. When you screw in a group of screws in a row, it actually hurts sustain and tone for some reason, versus the twin screw versions of these finder style trems. Guitar is looking great and glad to see it improving always. This was 2 years ago and my first watching your series, so i am shall get with it and view more of your fantastic videos, thanks.
I installed a very similar item in my ST guitar. It doesn't have the ball bearing like this one in the video. I have an Ibanez just like the one in this video and the trem is awful at keeping tune. It's my next candidate. Had my floating trem set up and guitar tuned. I simply mounted it so that it just touched the block with no spring compression and adjusted the two knurled adjuster nuts for not too much resistance when pulling the whammy bar up. There was adequate spring tension to return the block to the exact position for proper tuning after a dive bomb. Easy peasy. Hardest part was drilling the holes to mount it. Immediate results. Best 12 dollars I've spent on getting the trem to not leave the tuning sharp after every use of the bar. I put roller saddles and string trees to hardly any benefit but this thing worked fine. BTW, I don't use trem but I feel that if it's there it should work right otherwise I'd be just as happy with a hard tail.
These are great. Mounting is a bit of a pain but it stays in tune. A lot of artist I like use the whammy bar so I had to get one. I cut the nut & setup everything but it still stayed sharp until I installed this.
@@TheCleaner6969 I have the same guitar and this made the biggest difference of everything else I tried like roller trees, roller saddles and locking tuners. I'm with the first guy who said he doesn't really use trem but if it's there, it should work right. I fitted it to every guitar with trem I have.
Thank you for the outstanding tutorial (with the accent). Love it! I am considering using this clever widget on my Harley Benton with Wilkinson floating trem. I get frustrated when tuning down to D, as it throws several strings out of whack. Would you confirm that this will squash the tuning bug? Otherwise I will opt for the FU Tone block and call it a day. Thanks for your time, brother!
You're welcome! I'm glad you like my accent :) I would recommend this one. If your nut slots are right & this is setup right it comes back to tune spot on. I just played this yesterday & really was hard on the whammy & it was just a hair out of tune that I couldn't even tell until I checked the tuner. It does change the feel of the bar though. I hope this helps you make your decision.
I'm in the same place- mine holds tune fine, but I can't tune down- something I failed to consider when buying a Floyd Rose guitar. That said- I think the way he's installing it here is for when you just want to stabilize the trem- not lock it down. I want it to where my trem. only works in one direction- so I think I'll have to install it slightly differently.
@@satchrules101No if you set it as floating you'll have whole & half step up. I forget exactly. It does change the feel of the bar but really keeps it in tune.
Vai uses a DOUBLE style. 3 springs, 2 stabilzers in one piece. But then his trems are Floyd-style, full floating. I use these on my JS1000/1200 Ibanez with full-floating EdgeLow-pro/Edge Pro's. But I'm gonna tweak the installs with your info. ;-) P.S. You're the first person I've seen mention that you can use a hex wrench to stop the all-thread from turning! You are the GOAT.
I seen that when his tech was kind enough to shoot his setup. I'm guessing it's cause he's using a double because he's in Drop C with 12's? Thanks man I appreciate that! I'm glad you found my video of help.
Hey you are really nice to react so fast but did you get my advice on using what we are calling Torq wrench screws and I suppose you call them hexagonal screws to be clear on both sides I’m talking about the star shape wrench this will save you so much time and cursing when you slipping through the philipshead screw and damage yourself or something you are repairing the torque heads are so stable you can use them to screw straight into wood without drilling holes before they can be screwed and unscrewed indefinitely well maybe not indefinitely but you know what I mean
By the way my name is Niels Anderson and I am living in Amsterdam Hollands BIG Rotten Apple 🍎 haha For the precision on the whole video of installing the system Man it's insanely precise fantastic really good job 👍 ! I have just one question can you please do this for the double stabilizer ? I don't see any video clips on the double stabilizer
Thank you. It's the machinist in me plus the rough surface & how thin it is on the guitar. If I ever buy a double I will do a video. I'm always changing gear.
the only thing im not clear on is should it be installed with the guitar setup for std tuning and then tune to what ever you want after install ? im always tuned 1/2 step down, great vid too !!
I would setup to what you're always tuned to. However I was able to tune 1/2 step down with it setup for standard tuning & it seemed to be ok. Thanks! I'm glad you found it of help.
I forgot about these. I just installed a Tremol no. I love it but I have another guitar needing the same treatment. Should I do this or is the Tremol no better? The price difference is huge.
I never heard of the Tremol no but I watched a install video. To me it's way over priced & seems more difficult to setup. Personally I would still buy what I did. I hope that helps make your decision.
What is the base material made out of for this product. Is it aluminum? I was just looking on the Floyd Rose website last night and thinking of getting the blue one they have on there?
It looks like Sweetwater did rename it to that. www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/FRTES--floyd-rose-frtes-trem-endus-tremolo-stabilizer It's nicely machined & imo it works smoothly. I would say it the better of all out there. I hope this helps.
I just added one of these to a cheaper (but good) guitar with a Floyd. I didn't want to try it on a $1000 and over guitar. Two things, first is you don't need to pre-drill the holes. Just mark where the screws will go and just screw them slowly into the wood. They're tiny wood screws, they screwed in with ease. Just use a proper size screwdriver. Secondly, the unit makes a bit of noise when you pull up but it works well to keep the guitar in tune after pulling up. Not sure if it'll stay in the guitar or not but for $20 and 20 minutes of my time I figured I'd try it
I would watch, you might get away with screwing into softer wood but you might break the tiny screws in a harder wood. That's why I recommend drilling.
@@TheCleaner6969 Yeah, I went by feel with the screws. This guitar has softer wood and I knew pretty quickly it wouldn't be an issue. I just used a screwdriver with a proper size head and a good handle on it. But yeah if your guitar has hard wood then drill the holes. For $20 it's a decent little device. I can even just retract it all the way if I don't want to use it. I don't even have to remove the entire device. But it works alright, I never used a tremolo stabilizer of any kind before. I fined tuned it some more after I posted my message here. One thing to watch out for, always do some dive bombs when setting this up to see if you're returning slightly flat. That happened and I had to retract the cylinder a hair and it was fine after that. Then pull up and see if it's returning to proper pitch and not coming back sharp. I just went back and forth between dropping and pulling up on the bar and checking the tuning. You won't get 100% perfect so don't obsess over a few cents on some strings, like the infamous G string. But it does keep it very close to the zero point. It's a balancing act. I mounted mine right smack in the middle and I also put some nut sauce on the cylinder to reduce any extra friction.
Before you use what I did make sure you match the bit to the screw by holding it to the light. The body or the bit should only cover the body of the screw (Not the screw threads) I used a #53 bit.
I installed one on my project Kramer Baretta Special. It installs and adjusts easily. I installed it for use with my D-Tuna. What I don't like is the noise when the brass trem block contacts it. It cracks. And the crummy little rubber bumpers make the tuning unstable. What it needs is a nylon disk which won't give but hopefully not resonate.
I got some of these www.amazon.com/SoftTouch-4759695N-Self-Stick-Small-Felt/dp/B07JCJMP21/ref=asc_df_B07JCJMP21?tag=bngsmtphsnus-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=80470624768997&hvnetw=s&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4584070153200319&psc=1 but I didn't try them yet.
My friend you could also measure the drill bit depth including the thickness of the system so you don't have to go through this hushle moving the whole thing around and around just put the masking tape A FEW mm more than you center the first hole okay screw in the screw and then you can either Select to screw All the screws in WHITOUT drilling more Holes for that way the damn thing is much tighter than when you predrill Holes but that's just A matter of opinion My way does save you a lot of time if Time was ever the issue which I doubt
Floyd just puts his fancy name on it as it is entirely made in China (the cheapest aliexpress). The bullet must be Nylon so it doesn't make noise when touching the block. The eraser does not solve this problem, if you are going to make an recording, you can feel the touch of the bullet.
Everything is made in China & they all put their name on it. It's discussing. Top names using the same cheap ass caps ect. You can make a nylon bullet or have a machine shop make one for you. This is one of the better trems around a little mod & you're good.
No China steals everything a real Floyd Rose is made by a company called Schaller they are in Germany. If you have a real Floyd Rose you don't have any problems once it's set up properly. The Chinese garbage is made from inferior metal it's not hardened.
If you want better tuning stability on an old 6 screw whammy, then get a guitar with a zero fret. 95% detuning is caused by the nut, a stainless steel zero fret reduces the friction at the nut to almost nothing.
Bottoming out the spring turning the tiny knurled brass wheel is literally impossible. I’ve been trying to 2 days to do it. Looks like it’s going back.
Use an allen wrench at the back of the all thread. If you can't turn it with your fingers carefully use a pair of needle nose pliers to turn it. It does not have to be super bottomed out.
Who made you watch the whole & why did you search if you know how? Many like details as they are not as inclined as some so many appreciate the extra detail.
I'm buying this stabilizer today. And I saved this video for my install because your instructions are awesome. Big time thanks for taking the time to show us how to do this correctly. You've done your good deed for humanity bud : )
You'll be really happy with it I am. I'm really glad you found it of help! It took me awhile to figure it out. You think they wouldn't have good instructions. Take care & enjoy!
Can this stop it from pulling up ? Dive only .
Very useful thank you - and ignore the haters, i appreciate the level of detail (and tips) that you put into this
You're welcome! I'm glad you found it useful :)
Fantastic install ! Thank you for this install tutorial. I do plan on purchasing one of these devices . I can see that this unit also adds sustain .
Thank you! I'm glad it was helpful. It does add some sustain.
"kinda fucks things up" with the accent is totally awesome!!
Thanks
This is a great video. Thorough and excellent advice! Thank you, sir.
Thank you very much! I'm glad to hear it was of help!
Super helpful video given that the £12 Amazon variation I bought didn’t come with any fitting instructions. The gizmo itself has worked a treat on an el cheapo Bullet Strat. I’d already fitted graphtech nut and trees and locking tuners but was still having tuning stability issues when using the trem. This little device has sorted it (although the trem does have a different feel to it now). Thanks again!
I really glad to hear that it was of help! Don't feel bad Floyd Rose didn't send instructions either. It does give the bar a different feel. You're welcome.
Highly detailed !!!! You're awesome. So many people leave out important details.
Instant sub !!! Thanks for the video !!!
Thank you! I much appreciate the acknowledgement :) I hear you on people leaving things out. Thanks for the sub! I'm glad this was of help to you!
You want to use two screws to fasten the trem plate. What i would do is grab a super V blade runner trem and install a two screw mount plate only. When you screw in a group of screws in a row, it actually hurts sustain and tone for some reason, versus the twin screw versions of these finder style trems. Guitar is looking great and glad to see it improving always. This was 2 years ago and my first watching your series, so i am shall get with it and view more of your fantastic videos, thanks.
You're welcome
I installed a very similar item in my ST guitar. It doesn't have the ball bearing like this one in the video. I have an Ibanez just like the one in this video and the trem is awful at keeping tune. It's my next candidate.
Had my floating trem set up and guitar tuned. I simply mounted it so that it just touched the block with no spring compression and adjusted the two knurled adjuster nuts for not too much resistance when pulling the whammy bar up. There was adequate spring tension to return the block to the exact position for proper tuning after a dive bomb.
Easy peasy. Hardest part was drilling the holes to mount it. Immediate results. Best 12 dollars I've spent on getting the trem to not leave the tuning sharp after every use of the bar. I put roller saddles and string trees to hardly any benefit but this thing worked fine. BTW, I don't use trem but I feel that if it's there it should work right otherwise I'd be just as happy with a hard tail.
These are great. Mounting is a bit of a pain but it stays in tune. A lot of artist I like use the whammy bar so I had to get one. I cut the nut & setup everything but it still stayed sharp until I installed this.
@@TheCleaner6969 I have the same guitar and this made the biggest difference of everything else I tried like roller trees, roller saddles and locking tuners. I'm with the first guy who said he doesn't really use trem but if it's there, it should work right. I fitted it to every guitar with trem I have.
@@fjborg6978 With this the guitar is really never out of tune even with change of weather. It's better then my fixed guitars.
Thank you for the outstanding tutorial (with the accent). Love it!
I am considering using this clever widget on my Harley Benton with Wilkinson floating trem. I get frustrated when tuning down to D, as it throws several strings out of whack. Would you confirm that this will squash the tuning bug? Otherwise I will opt for the FU Tone block and call it a day.
Thanks for your time, brother!
You're welcome! I'm glad you like my accent :) I would recommend this one. If your nut slots are right & this is setup right it comes back to tune spot on. I just played this yesterday & really was hard on the whammy & it was just a hair out of tune that I couldn't even tell until I checked the tuner. It does change the feel of the bar though. I hope this helps you make your decision.
I'm in the same place- mine holds tune fine, but I can't tune down- something I failed to consider when buying a Floyd Rose guitar. That said- I think the way he's installing it here is for when you just want to stabilize the trem- not lock it down. I want it to where my trem. only works in one direction- so I think I'll have to install it slightly differently.
Easy: then just get the FU Tone Trem stopper. Cheap as chips and it will keep the Floyd from bending up. @@stoneysdead689
Hi will it stop Floyd from pulling up if I want ?
@@satchrules101No if you set it as floating you'll have whole & half step up. I forget exactly. It does change the feel of the bar but really keeps it in tune.
As far back as i could remember, i always wanted to be a gangster.
What stopped u?
Egg noodles and ketchup.
@@TheCleaner6969 He's referring to your voice, you sound like Ray Liotta at the beginning of the Goodfellas movie
Thanks for the video I finally got it after watching it a few times I installed the dauble stabilizer
You're welcome! I'm glad it was of help.
Vai uses a DOUBLE style. 3 springs, 2 stabilzers in one piece. But then his trems are Floyd-style, full floating. I use these on my JS1000/1200 Ibanez with full-floating EdgeLow-pro/Edge Pro's. But I'm gonna tweak the installs with your info. ;-)
P.S. You're the first person I've seen mention that you can use a hex wrench to stop the all-thread from turning! You are the GOAT.
I seen that when his tech was kind enough to shoot his setup. I'm guessing it's cause he's using a double because he's in Drop C with 12's? Thanks man I appreciate that! I'm glad you found my video of help.
@@TheCleaner6969 Just for clarification, by "these" I mean the one you have in your video (not the double). 🙂
@@ZzzzzzzxxxzzzYZ4 Oh ok I got you now. I know they sell a double of this. Thanks for clarifying that ;)
Hey you are really nice to react so fast but did you get my advice on using what we are calling Torq wrench screws and I suppose you call them hexagonal screws to be clear on both sides I’m talking about the star shape wrench this will save you so much time and cursing when you slipping through the philipshead screw and damage yourself or something you are repairing the torque heads are so stable you can use them to screw straight into wood without drilling holes before they can be screwed and unscrewed indefinitely well maybe not indefinitely but you know what I mean
By the way my name is Niels Anderson and I am living in Amsterdam Hollands BIG Rotten Apple 🍎 haha
For the precision on the whole video of installing the system Man it's insanely precise fantastic really good job 👍 !
I have just one question can you please do this for the double stabilizer ?
I don't see any video clips on the double stabilizer
Thank you. It's the machinist in me plus the rough surface & how thin it is on the guitar. If I ever buy a double I will do a video. I'm always changing gear.
the only thing im not clear on is should it be installed with the guitar setup for std tuning and then tune to what ever you want after install ? im always tuned 1/2 step down, great vid too !!
I would setup to what you're always tuned to. However I was able to tune 1/2 step down with it setup for standard tuning & it seemed to be ok. Thanks! I'm glad you found it of help.
Excellent tutorial!
Thank you!
I forgot about these. I just installed a Tremol no. I love it but I have another guitar needing the same treatment. Should I do this or is the Tremol no better? The price difference is huge.
I never heard of the Tremol no but I watched a install video. To me it's way over priced & seems more difficult to setup. Personally I would still buy what I did. I hope that helps make your decision.
What is the base material made out of for this product. Is it aluminum? I was just looking on the Floyd Rose website last night and thinking of getting the blue one they have on there?
The ones I received are aluminum.
great video Mr.!!!
Thank you! Glad it was of help.
Hi, this is the "Trem-Endus" from Floy Rose right? Is it well machined? Does it work smoothly? Thanks!
It looks like Sweetwater did rename it to that. www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/FRTES--floyd-rose-frtes-trem-endus-tremolo-stabilizer It's nicely machined & imo it works smoothly. I would say it the better of all out there. I hope this helps.
Thanks a lot!
@@SebastianDavidMusic You're welcome!
I just added one of these to a cheaper (but good) guitar with a Floyd. I didn't want to try it on a $1000 and over guitar. Two things, first is you don't need to pre-drill the holes. Just mark where the screws will go and just screw them slowly into the wood. They're tiny wood screws, they screwed in with ease. Just use a proper size screwdriver. Secondly, the unit makes a bit of noise when you pull up but it works well to keep the guitar in tune after pulling up. Not sure if it'll stay in the guitar or not but for $20 and 20 minutes of my time I figured I'd try it
I would watch, you might get away with screwing into softer wood but you might break the tiny screws in a harder wood. That's why I recommend drilling.
@@TheCleaner6969 Yeah, I went by feel with the screws. This guitar has softer wood and I knew pretty quickly it wouldn't be an issue. I just used a screwdriver with a proper size head and a good handle on it. But yeah if your guitar has hard wood then drill the holes. For $20 it's a decent little device. I can even just retract it all the way if I don't want to use it. I don't even have to remove the entire device. But it works alright, I never used a tremolo stabilizer of any kind before. I fined tuned it some more after I posted my message here. One thing to watch out for, always do some dive bombs when setting this up to see if you're returning slightly flat. That happened and I had to retract the cylinder a hair and it was fine after that. Then pull up and see if it's returning to proper pitch and not coming back sharp. I just went back and forth between dropping and pulling up on the bar and checking the tuning. You won't get 100% perfect so don't obsess over a few cents on some strings, like the infamous G string. But it does keep it very close to the zero point. It's a balancing act. I mounted mine right smack in the middle and I also put some nut sauce on the cylinder to reduce any extra friction.
@@johns.8961 Good added info. Hopefully others find it helpful as well.
What size of the drill bit did you used?
Before you use what I did make sure you match the bit to the screw by holding it to the light. The body or the bit should only cover the body of the screw (Not the screw threads) I used a #53 bit.
Are you from Jersey ?
Very close
Bravo...😊😊😊😊😊
I installed one on my project Kramer Baretta Special. It installs and adjusts easily. I installed it for use with my D-Tuna. What I don't like is the noise when the brass trem block contacts it. It cracks. And the crummy little rubber bumpers make the tuning unstable. What it needs is a nylon disk which won't give but hopefully not resonate.
I got some of these www.amazon.com/SoftTouch-4759695N-Self-Stick-Small-Felt/dp/B07JCJMP21/ref=asc_df_B07JCJMP21?tag=bngsmtphsnus-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=80470624768997&hvnetw=s&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4584070153200319&psc=1 but I didn't try them yet.
If a string brokes the guitar stay in tune with this system in a floyd rose trem?
If you add enough tension I think it would. I could be wrong but I did use drop D & stayed in tune with some fine adjustments.
@@TheCleaner6969 thanks!
@@metamizol1606 You're welcome ;)
Any tips for setting up with a D-Tuna?
I'm sorry but I haven't had any to mess with. I wish I could help you out.
My friend you could also measure the drill bit depth including the thickness of the system so you don't have to go through this hushle moving the whole thing around and around just put the masking tape A FEW mm more than you center the first hole okay screw in the screw and then you can either Select to screw All the screws in WHITOUT drilling more Holes for that way the damn thing is much tighter than when you predrill Holes but that's just A matter of opinion My way does save you a lot of time if Time was ever the issue which I doubt
so what do these stabilizers actually do?
They return your trem to zero
Floyd just puts his fancy name on it as it is entirely made in China (the cheapest aliexpress). The bullet must be Nylon so it doesn't make noise when touching the block. The eraser does not solve this problem, if you are going to make an recording, you can feel the touch of the bullet.
Everything is made in China & they all put their name on it. It's discussing. Top names using the same cheap ass caps ect. You can make a nylon bullet or have a machine shop make one for you. This is one of the better trems around a little mod & you're good.
No China steals everything a real Floyd Rose is made by a company called Schaller they are in Germany. If you have a real Floyd Rose you don't have any problems once it's set up properly. The Chinese garbage is made from inferior metal it's not hardened.
@@maxammo6282 The only thing China made that lasted was this corona crap. But you're right you can tell right away if things are the real deal.
@@TheCleaner6969 You're right my friend, China ended the planet, we hope that no more misfortunes come.
@@marciomartinelli69 God I pray no more. God Bless us all!!
If you want better tuning stability on an old 6 screw whammy, then get a guitar with a zero fret. 95% detuning is caused by the nut, a stainless steel zero fret reduces the friction at the nut to almost nothing.
I got a new guitar two days ago. Even though it has a locking nut, the Floyd Rose Special detunes the guitar up to 30 cents. It is that bad.
Bottoming out the spring turning the tiny knurled brass wheel is literally impossible. I’ve been trying to 2 days to do it. Looks like it’s going back.
Use an allen wrench at the back of the all thread. If you can't turn it with your fingers carefully use a pair of needle nose pliers to turn it. It does not have to be super bottomed out.
On a GIO? 🤯
Yep 6 screw vintage trem
The measurements of the individual parts was SO unnecessary! The rest of the video 👍👍
I didnt know the mafia was into guitars
CTFU we got our hand into everything lol
@@TheCleaner6969 how much do we owe you for guitar protection?
@@anthonyallard3156 Forget a bout it, it's on the house but one day I may come to you & ask for a favorite which you can not refuse.
@@TheCleaner6969 Great video appreciate your sense of humor as well
@@anthonyallard3156 Thank you! I always like to have fun & joke around. It's all good.
Must be from jersey lol.
Lol close
Don’t need to know the size on every part.
That's your opinion. This video tells a different story 🙄 th-cam.com/video/0h9K29xIXs4/w-d-xo.html
Never waste time on building something already built,lol,unless you already got a work shope and tools to do it,lol
I have my own personal shop so building it isn't a big deal. I find it therapeutic but I just didn't have the time.
Yeah, that's the worst advice I've read in a while.
Wait…. You’re putting a trem-endus on a non-floating bridge?! Bruhhhhh
My bridge is floating.
Using imperial is a joke - move to metric it actually is useful - other wise some help ful insight
Okay what
This rocket surgery
It's not rocket appliances.
2/32 = 1/16 0.062
Yes 2/32" equals 1/16th which is in decimal 0.062
Just as 4/32" equals 1/8th which in decimal equals 0.125. 1/4" equals 0.250, 5/16" equals 0.312. I know my decimals. I was a machinist.
Turning this off at 2 minutes. This is unnecessary
It's total necessary when you float a bridge.
To many "details" and waste time to show the stabilizer trim
Who made you watch the whole & why did you search if you know how? Many like details as they are not as inclined as some so many appreciate the extra detail.
So it's essentially a fender tremserter but made by Floyd Rose? Same functionality?
It much easier to install then the Fender Hipshot Tremsetter but same functionality.