Retro Gaming Emulation is Not the Bad Guy | Friday Night Arcade
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- It's time we get rid of the stigma surrounding emulation.
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I think emulation is saving the past for future generations
Amen.
You would think people would understand the need to archive games
Thank god for emulators without them I would never have been able to play the satellite versions of zelda and mario
I don't recall the details but there have been instances where the companies themselves didn't even archive the games. I recall reading somewhere that the source code for Final Fantasy X was never saved so the remaster had to be rebuilt from scratch.
It's not just emulation that's preserving the past, its also fan games. For example someone recreated the 1995 game Rayman from scratch which would not be possible if people didnt rip/archive the graphics and sounds. If it wasnt for asset rippers even fan made remakes wouldnt be possible.
Plus in some ways those unoffical recreations are actualy better than the original or offical remakes such as AM2R. Bottom line It's not just emulation that's preserving the past.
It's why Nintendo is selling old roms , they did download all the old roms as it was lost to even them. But they forgot to check the roms leavening proof of this. So it is good for the ip holders most of all. i wish the anti-project and safeguard media people would think of Nintedo/ip holder need for this to.
You made every point for why emulation of old games is harmless. The people who were responsible for these games made their money and are largely not being paid for the roms (irony) that are being put up for sale online. Giving insane amounts of money to someone on ebay in order to feel morally superior is beyond stupid.
Not only is emulation "not the bad guy" it is actively "the good guy".
A lot of them can even make the games look a lot better. There's this fork of BSNES that is able to upscale the Mode 7 part of the screen to where the rotation isn't on a SNES style pixel by pixel but actually at a resolution that makes it look smooth as butter. There's also this awesome NES emulator that turns the games 3D with voxel based models. The NES one costs ten bucks on Steam, but I consider it ten bucks well spent.
Also, Project64 and Dolphin allow HD texture packs to make games look a lot more modern.
I'll always say it; give me a legal means to play a beloved game on a new system, and I'll do so. Cough-N64 wrestling games and Goldeneye-Cough.
I would go further and clarify "give me legal means to buy beloved games on a new system , at reasonable prices and I will buy them. Don't rent me the games without giving me the option to permanently keep and access them without constant internet connection or DRM check ins.
I'll always say it: I brought this game for $60 back when it first came out.
I'll download it to my phone now.
Emulation is single handedly keeping gaming history alive. The game companies won't sell me many of the games I want to play and I don't have 32000k for a cart I want....
It's good to see a retro-gaming channel admit that emulation is good.
Very well done and well said. As someone who’s made images for a long while now (and have taken the most pride as possible in how they play and feel), this is exactly how I feel about it. Preserving the past for the further. Prices on games (used and new in box) is absolutely insane and I've said for ages that these companies could still sell games in a pack or otherwise.
Thank you for doing a review on Cosmic Creeps I had recommended btw. Still one of my favorite underrated 2600 games. +1000 for the UHF clip btw. XD
If it wasn’t for emulation I wouldn’t have gotten into a ton of JRPGs that are freaking ridiculously expensive nowadays. I’m currently playing Breath of Fire 3 and it’s incredible and I’m so happy I get to experience this game for the first time.
To add to this. Majority of retro games were never sold outside the US, EU and Japan and since 90% of the world population lives outside these regions. Emulation is pretty much the only way to access these games here.
I honestly never would have played a lot of SNES, Gameboy advance games for example if not for emulation. The concept of finding a used original copy is just not possible when there no market for used retro games at all.
That's a great point that I completely missed. I never would have got to play Sweet Home on NES if not for emulation.
Agreed completely; all of it. Agreed on the absurdity of secondhand prices, the lack of revenue from these sales going back to the developers (especially the people who actually did the work in making them; they got paid a LONG time ago), the preservation, and the attitude of The Gamers™, who care entirely too much about how someone else plays a game. If the prestige of beating this or that game a certain way matters that much to you, at least realize that it doesn't matter that much to most of us.
I have bought ocarina and Mario 64 more times than is feasible or indeed sensible
Thank God someone finally has the testicular fortitude to speak out what most of us (the reasonable and intellectual people) are thinking. Excellent work Aaron. Thank you so much for your research and hard work with this. Have a great weekend sir!
I believe retro game collecting is still possible. I read about this back in an article about the parabola effect back in an late '90s edition of Electronic Gaming Monthly. Basically if you want to start collecting (for video games specifically) you need to start buying them cheap when they were made around 10-20 years ago. In other words as of me writing this it means buying stuff for XBOX 360, PlayStation 3, Nintendo wii or Wii-U and portable stuff being anything in the Nintendo DS line. So that's what I'd recommend people start buying now as you can still find those games cheap on Craigslist, yard sales, etc. I agree with Friday Night Arcade that generally speaking that "collectors" are destroying the hobby and are as aggressive af but I still find good deals in my area without trying that hard. Persistence is he key. If you are new and determined and don't mind starting last-gen or generation before that good deals can still be had.
Most valid point made on the video: Talking about beating a game with save states vs no save states: "Nobody cares." 100% accurate
I'd rather someone goes through a game of Megaman with save states and have a great time, than get frustrated and quit. There's something great about persevering through a hard game without them, but if you're telling other people how they should have fun then you're the jerk
Nah, if you say you beat the OG Ninja Gaidens with save states I will laugh in your face.
@@ZigealFaustThere's no way I'm wasting time playing a game to win your respect.
Playing video games without save states is like running a marathon in swim fins. Yes, it'll be difficult but man is it fucking stupid.
Emulation:1 bad guys:0
Emulation is what's keeping these games from becoming lost media. Game companies surely aren't going to preserve them especially companies like Nintendo pulling stuff like the NSO expansion. If they really cared they would've kept virtual console and allowed people to keep their libraries from console to console via their nintendo accounts.
I both emulate and buy. I'll emulate stuff that's not available on modern platforms, and will buy it once it becomes available. I refuse to play the secondary market game or do the collector thing: I'm not made of money.
This is the way.
Thank you for this thoughtful piece, Aaron.
I have no problems with emulation at all. In fact, I think Capcom did the right thing by releasing Legacy Collections of their old games to ensure people can legally enjoy their games on new hardware, the company makes a few extra bucks, and it goes to the right people to boot.
Yeah, some people say it's "lazy" to sell an emulator for their own games, but so what? How the hell else are you going to play it? The original hardware will never be made again. A company holding the IP can do *whatever they want* with their own games.
"Games are meant to be played". aaaaaand there is the hot take you were referring to. 😀
After seeing my early 2000s music cds rot I started to buy digital over CD anything. Emulating is a must to back up, but I haven't a clue or the will to back up later games like 360 and ps3.
Yeah, I remember at the time thinking it's never gonna get any better than CDs. But those things fall apart too.
Long story short...EMULATION RULES!!!! 😎
Also, congratulations on the bundles of joy. X3 😊
I feel this video very much. Mid-2000's, I had to sell my small Nintendo collection because of life and debt. Then within two months, I was back in to buy them back and they were all marked up beyond my financial capabilities. I hated rich (spoiled) collectors for making that trend happen. So, I moved to Sega Genesis games which were considerably less at the time.
I just wanted to play my old games.
Now nobody can really spend on Sega. We can pick our battles of who did what, but I'm on the side that it's trendy bullshit rich people that have made this damn near impossible. Emulation is the truth. I hope the bubble pops big time.
i have emulators to play games i never could (Due to being one location only, and high import fees / collector cost for the consoles and games) , MSX for Dragon Slayer 2: Xanadu / Famicom "Holy Diver" / Getsuu Fuuma Den (best examples), and Japanese only games.
Very good take on the subject. Personally when it comes to the old angel and devil on my shoulder the devil tends to make a good point and I go with him. One of his points, regarding Nintendo specifically, is that Nintendo were A-holes in the 80s with Monopolistic business practices and making decisions for other companies with regards to how much money they could make by limiting the amount of games they could make.
Imagine you get a job, want to work 40 hours a week so you can get benefits while also negotiating your salary. Then some other company you don't work FOR but only work WITH decides you can only work 30 hours, at minimum wage and screw your benefits. That's essentially what Nintendo did to the companies that made them filthy rich beyond their wildest dreams.
Then they screwed us over here in the states just because renting media was (might still be I don't know) illegal there and not over here by making games legendarily difficult giving everyone who lived through that era more or less video game PTSD. I mean how pissed were you when you found out how much easier and fair the Japanese version of Castlevania 3 was compared to what we got?
So if Nintendo has an issue with anything that's just Karma getting them back or so the red winged one on my shoulder is whispering in my ear.
Personally I find emulation for old games useful. My biggest reason being I may buy an expensive game that I know not a penny is going to the people who made it just because I want to own it. If I try it out and really enjoy it to the point where I want to play it as it was originally intended to be played I'll fork over the money. If I hate it or don't find it worth personally owning then then I'll save my money.
Emulation is game preservation. Simple as that. ALL hardware consoles will ultimately fail. Emulation allows for the digital preservation of not only hardware but software as well.
I much prefer emulation rather than trying to find the actual hardware.
If The company is not going to preserve their classic games. Looking at you Nintendo! Somebody in the community Will do it. And I don’t consider it piracy because well, the company is not making money off of a used game sale in the system and games are no longer being sold brand new in stores.
And let's put it this way: if I'm buying a game, it's probably not going to be to "collect" it. I just bought a Japanese copy of an NES game because it has a custom sound chip, and my Everdrive doesn't support it.
Lol
Yes I'll admit it was on my shelf.
But I was not fondling myself.
I had an itch and I was itching myself.
Completely different thing.
I very much agree, and more, I'm concerned that emulation is about to hit a road block as more and more games are distributed online or come with "physical versions" that require multiple large patches before they can be played as intended. The same companies that lose the gold masters or source code for beloved classics are no more forward-thinking when it comes to keeping servers online or even the data on those servers properly archived. We may lose a big chunk of gaming history in this era.
I will definitely choose to pirate Nintendo games vs paying that horrible company for retro games as a punishment for their disgusting behavior towards the retro gaming community, and rom sites in particular. I pay companies that deserve to get paid, and withhold payment from those that don't.
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Aaron, that was top notch usage of Kuni from UHF! Weird Al would be proud!
People are spending how much on game cartridges now, not a penny of which goes to the people who actually worked on them? *Laughs in MiSTer*
I'll take emulation over buying official garbage from Nintendo and Rockstar looked at how that went.
I am 42yo. I would like to Twitch stream my original hardware for others to see, but I don’t know what to buy to do that.
Without emulation I wouldn't be able to enjoy the arcade version of berzerk and that would not be cool. I love that game
Over the years, my Gameboy cartridges is becoming like a graveyard of titles that no longer work.
I'd love to have a licenced emulator to give the memories more shelf life
I'm a huge advocate for emulation. Not only does it allow you to play classic games its also preserves them for future generations. But best of all it allows you to sidestep the disgusting second hand market and its insane prices. I sold all my old consoles and games about five years ago and switched over to emulation and it was a great decision. As long as I can use a legit controller for whatever game I'm playing that is good enough for me.
Great vid as always, Aaron!
God bless emulation, if it wasn't for it I wouldn't have played these retro games
👀 This is a well-made video, but the information about copyright in it is wrong.
In the USA (and other countries), creating, sharing, and downloading a ROM image of a copyrighted video game you don't own a physical copy of is illegal. Whether or not it's legal to do those things if you own a physical copy hasn't really been established. But copyright law is unambiguous - you can't make a copy of something unless you have the "right" to make a copy of it. What counts as HAVING the "right" to make a copy of something can sometimes be ambiguous (like with "fair use"), but if you're making or downloading a copy of something you don't have the "right" to copy, you're breaking the law.
It doesn't matter what your reasons for doing it are (like "we're preserving this game for future generations") - breaking the law is breaking the law.
It also has nothing to do with the copyright owners being paid. The owner of a copyright to a work can choose to share that work with other people for free without breaking the law. People reselling physical copies of games is a completely different thing - copyright owners only have the right to control the first sale of a particular embodiment of their copyrighted work (the "first sale doctrine"). That's why it's totally legal for a mom-and-pop video store to resell a physical copy of a game without paying a fee to the copyright owner. Reselling a physical item isn't the same thing as making or distributing a copy of it.
It also has nothing to do with the original owners of a copyright being paid after they've transferred their copyright to someone else. If someone sells their copyright to a video game to another company, that company now owns the right to make copies of it without making any additional payments to the original owner. It doesn't change anything about the legality of creating or obtaining illegal ROM images.
People can argue about the merits of copyright in certain situations - I have my own opinions about video game ROMs - but unless you're a judge, law isn't about opinion. Please don't shoot the messenger 👀😂
Nowhere in this video is it stated that downloading or distributing a ROM is anything but illegal.
The argument I'm making is that companies need to stop holding the ROMs hostage and instead just start officially selling them outright. You should be able to go to nintendo.com and buy a ROM of Ninja Gaiden or whatever NES game for a couple bucks.
I TOTALLY agree that it seems ridiculous for video game companies not to make old video games available for people to purchase, but that's their prerogative, and tbh it's understandable - it builds hype so when they eventually do release them they can charge more 😂 But that's a separate thing from the copyright issue. At the beginning you said "having and distributing the ROMs you need to play" video games "might be" illegal (which as I said, there's no "might be" about it if you don't own the copyright or have a license), then you described several situations where you thought people would be justified in doing it, like if the game isn't currently available to purchase from the original publisher or if the copyright has been transferred to another party. I totally support the idea of preserving software that would otherwise be lost, but it's important for everybody to understand that there isn't any ambiguity - when people create, upload, download, or modify ROM images of video games they don't have the right to copy, they're doing something illegal, no matter what the situation is or what their reasons for doing it are. That's the consequence people have to accept when they choose to do it. Also I wasn't bagging on you or your video, it's a great video and I agree with pretty much everything you said 👍👍
I always find it funny when people act like original hardware is superior to emulation. It's definitely not and always comes down to preference. You can use filters to make games look just like the old TVs or even make them look better if you have the correct settings applied. I always find those comments come from people that don't even emulate or know how to, so it's just noise. And like you pointed out, USB adapter + original controllers...done.
Being a Brazilian, emulation and piracy was aways the standart way to play video games. Games aways had unfair prices here, after the retro gaming crazy things got even worse, some of these random guys sell pirated games by crazy prices, you just can't buy an old cartridge at a fair price. Btw, the most common games usually are the most expensive because they're popular and the demand is higher.
The best thing about emulation is archiving media to prevent it from getting lost. I like emulation a lot but I do have a caveat for the developer profit point in the video. When the license for an IP is sold to another company, there is an assumption that the company will be able to make money out of it which in turn gives the incentive to buying it. If the game is pirated to the point where the cost of the IP is not worth it then the incentive would diminish and the IP put into purgatory. Partially the same with used game sales as well, A lot of people hate the investor market but there are a lot of them and their incentive is that they can sell it later on and piracy would remove that and hence remove the sales the developers make.
Sorta a side thing too when it comes to investors and collectors being the bad guys, I have a caveat with that too. Keeping games in pristine condition gives those games a longer lifespan; At some point many of the loose cartridges will get played too much and stop working and when that happens, these sealed copies contained within hard plastic cases will be the only ones playable in the purest form. Sure their incentive is profit but it is like they are being paid to keep history. I may not be the one paying but clearly there are those who are and they give the incentive to keep it as preserved as possible.
All that being said I emulate too and have completely ravaged my NES Mini so I dunno.
Who made Castlevania? Some amorphous, anonymous entity known as "Konami" or a small team of six or so specific people led by Hitoshi Akamatsu? Because I know which one of those I'd be interested in paying.
Wait, there's still people out there ironically hating on emulation?
Emulation is alright (like with modding a Genesis and Playstation mini) but what's really go are taking hacked emulated games and flashing them to a cart. Thus I have Dragonball Cart for the Nintendo 64 and translated SNES game.
Yeah, flash carts are fantastic although if using those on an original console, that's not really emulation. So I didn't really wanna get into flash carts in this video but perhaps in the future. My point here was that getting original consoles working, let alone finding them, is usually over the heads of most casual gamers - so mini consoles or emulation such as RetroArch or MiSTer may be a way to play these games without all of the hassle of finding and maintaining a 30 year old console.
I'm all for playing games however you want. Games were meant to be enjoyed. Fully agree.
However.
Don't tell me "you can beat Battletoads" if you use save states or rewind.
Exact same argument for “beating the game with Game Genie” back in the day. If you used the Genie, you were either a cheater or you’re using it to get some altered version of the game. But what’s the problem with that if you’re playing casually? Sometimes that exposes problems in the game that would have stayed hidden forever.
Reselling "collectors" are a goddemned cancer on all my hobbies.
Hell of video. This was more of a video essay and I enjoyed it thoroughly!
lol thanks, Paul. My wife asked what this video was about and I described it to her as a really sloppy John Oliver piece.
@@FridayNightArcade Haha, fantastically accurate
I agree with what you said. That being said, the people that say "just emulate" are extremely annoying.
I get that.
My grandfather taught me about the old tube television he used to do a repair shop working on them back in the day
Teach your kids to take up the mantle we need more kids interested in the old games lest they be lost forever
Thank you so much for this, I grew up with all the same stuff you showed here and had alot of those experiences(like playing the original Mario bros. With my parents when they still played games 😎👍)also liked seeing space quest again(wish they would port those to playstation or console)I remember playing space quest at a friend's house and his mom would have to type "get grenade" really fast when the store clerk walked away from the counter 😆👌 and space quest 2 I plated on a Tandy 1000, people don't realize how long it took to play some of these games withloading between screen etc. But also how fun they still were 😊👏 thanks for the nostalgia and carrying the torch on to the next gen. I appreciate you and all you do 😎👍👏🔥♥️👌 I like you over the years had to trade and sell stuff but I still have some of my original stuff, good times.
One thing you didn’t bring up (at least by 15:52) - Emulation is part of the general category of “adaptive technologies”. That is, it allows people with disabilities to enjoy these games with accommodations to their disability. I have issues with my eyes and my hands. So I emulate handheld games as a way to let me play the games in.a way that I can see them! It’s great being able to play classics for those systems and see it without needing my glasses. And because of my hand issues, it’s incredibly difficult for me to use a controller. Instead, I can use my keyboard and customize the controls to what feels best for me that day.
Not to mention for the color-blind, being able to adjust palettes to better accommodate, or any number of other issues that emulation can instantly resolve. It might seem small, but it makes a world of difference to those affected.
Thank you so much for sharing - I completely missed this aspect of emulation. I'm so glad it's helping folks enjoy these games that otherwise might not be able to!
You covered this perfectly my friend.
Thank you for this video.
Bonus Paul Rudd on that SNES ad.
i have roughly about 3,500-4,000 game roms saved on my laptop for NES, SNES, SMS, SMD, GG, GB, GBA, GBC, TG16, DC, N64, PSP, and a couple randomizers 🤣🤣🤣
Haha some developers were dicks 😆 yes, they intended us to rent their games hundreds of times just to get a “conglatulations thank you for playing!” Ending
*cough* Nintendo *Cough*
FNA you nailed it in one.
Some of use weren't as PRIVILEGED as most kids these days, what with their mobile phones capable of playing Fortnite and all the other mind numbing b0ll0ck$. We had to walk all the way to a phone box to use a phone, and make sure we had plenty of 1p and 2p coins. Nor did we have the "cheap as chips" consoles and computers they all now have available to them.
Our families had to WORK DAMN HARD to buy us the hardware and software to allow us to "sit around playing games all day". So if we want to relive those great memories and times then WHO IS ANYONE to judge us on how we do that - most of the gear that we had back in the '70s and '80s is either VERY RARE and/or STUPIDLY EXPENSIVE.
Hence, for many of us the only solution is to use emulators - and who the £uck is anyone to moan about that. Me, I regularly use emulators from the likes of the Atari 2600, ZX80, ZX Spectrum, C64, Amiga to PS1 and PS2. Just try and find any of those in as good a condition as we once had them and for a reasonable price.
This may be the most nuanced perspective I've ever seen on the ever-so-complex topic of emulation. Great job!
However, there are two things that I think also need to also be addressed:
1. Regarding the moral argument surrounding emulation, I agree 100% that there's nothing ethically wrong with emulating a game that's long out of print and has no reasonable means of being obtained (unless you're willing to deal with EBay scalpers overcharging you, spending a couple hundred dollars on a used gaming console that may not even work, finding a way to hook it to a modern TV, finding the space for it, etc.). It's how I'm finally able to play forgotten Nintendo 64 gems like "Space Station Silicon Valley" and "Rocket Robot On Wheels." But there is the nagging temptation after downloading one rom to want to start downloading a bunch more (since ROM's obtained online are basically "free"). And then, before you know it, your hard drive is cluttered with about 100 games you'll likely never find the time to play more than once or twice. So the allure of "free stuff!!!" can IMO be a problem when it comes to emulation.
2. There are a few strange outliers like Rare's classic non-Nintendo IP games (such as "Killer Instinct Gold" and "Conker's Bad Fur Day") that have had legitimate rereleases... but only on one console (ie. the X-Box). If you don't own the console but want to conveniently play "Perfect Dark," then you have a bit of a conundrum (let's be honest: shelling out $300 on an X-Box just to legally play a collection of 20-30 year old games is pretty ridiculous). Here's hoping the success of Sea Of Thieves convinces Rare to finally release the Rare Replay collection on Windows.
People who are complaining about emulation are the people I make fun of for other things. I'm talking about people from my generation/age range. I'm a bit older than the creator of this channel (I'm 47) and have friends who are always, ALWAYS pining for the "good ole days" and "It ain't like it used to be" AND, my personal favorite, "kids these days" rants. I do compare it to the comic/meme that was shown during this video Grandpa Simpson yelling at a cloud. lol
Emulation is an incredibly powerful tool. We wouldn't have had basically any re-release of older software without it: no Virtual Console, no Playstation or Xbox Stores, no Sega Ages, no "Anniversary Collection," etc. All of these make use of emulators to run their various games. So it's obviously not emulation technology itself that companies have a problem with, it's just ROM distribution. And if I own a physical copy of software, I have zero issues downloading a ROM of it. Please, Nintendo: prove it to me that my ROM files are illegal. And I'll cheerfully loan a cartridge or ROM file to friends: these games deserve to be played. If Nintendo really wanted to make it easier for people to play their games, they'd keep their Wii and Wii U stores open.
I have an Original Playstation plugged into my Roku TV, I just sat & played through Spider-Man on it, The graphics are very poor, washed out, but vibrant. Load times were significantly short considering the time it came out. However, I played the same game through the DuckStation emulator, & I was blown away instantly. Load times are super quick, Fully equipped save states, Fast Forward button, Not to mention the stellar graphics you could achieve with this emulator makes Spider-Man actually feel like a Remaster in many respect. So in some sense, Emulators are actually better than the original. Your mileage may vary
Honestly I love emulating. I'm just looking to play old games i enjoyed as a kid and a teenager. I don't give a single flying s or f about minor graphical glitches or aspect ratios or any of that other crap.
I honestly don't even notice the tiny glitches. Your Jurassic Park comparison for example, you mentioned "glitches at the top of the screen", i saw nothing. In fact beyond the little menu glitch when you pressed start on the title all three examples looked identical to each other in my eyes.
Maybe someone who scrutinizes harder and closer and is more hard nosed about it than me would be put off but for myself I just don't care. I'm just looking to play old games to pass the time like i did as a kid, I'm not looking for some kind pure, undiluted gaming experience. Such scrutiny just sounds snobby to me.
Great video, and the best, most realistic view on the subject matter. I have one more argument in favor of emulators: they add even more value to reproducing old games, when you think that you are actually running digital code all the time, regardless of where you play it...I mean, I saw online this absurd analogy between vinil records and rom cartridges, and it definetly is speculation driven. The right analogy would be comparing games supports to digital music on cds, but then you lose "the analog support allure" and are catapulted back into reality, where only the hardware gets emulated (and, being a dedicated computer, it's still digital in its functioning anyway) and the game you're playing, if the emulator is good enough (and, as you pointed out, all are at this point), it's the same damn game, no matter the computer box used to run it.
No problem with it. I have bought all the mini's except ps1(you suck). I have repurchased certain games multiple times over the years. If you can't buy it, or buy it for a reasonable price (super rare retro games or FF IV for the 5th time just to have it on a newer console)...I say go for it.
Nice video. I think this is a good point to bring on in retro game channels. Even more since a lot of big collectors channels never bring the benefits of emulation and always seems to not want people to emulate games. People goes out of their ways to HOARD games in their houses as It is a nice thing to do and then say emulation is a bad thing. Like...c'mon dude...when you get to the point of getting Barbie games on the SNES just because the "price was good"...you're having a hoarding problem at this point. And I personaly thinks this is a worst thing than emulating games. And is a thing with a LOT of these big "collectors" channels. I myself have a Lot of games...but everything I buy is because I really want to play sooner or later. Buying things Just because "price was good" is more like a hoarder thing to me.
12:12 It will never burst because greed is a basic human instinct... If you think about it, what is going with videogames (or collectible cards) is just a cute pyramidal scheme. People who jump into can't see it because it's built on emotion. They are scammed but it's not that can't admit it, they simply can't see it. I see what you mean by the "bubble will burst". And you are right because we have seen it in the past with Atari games... But that's the point, we have seen it and it is still happening because videogames are still a thing. So more than bursting, the bubble will move on to the next thing... Next time it will be Playstation 2 games, then it will move to Playstation 3 games, etc. And you explained the reason very well. The market is manipulated by people who have experience (they charge people who sell games - via grading - and people who buy - by auction houses // double winner, especially when you know it's basically the same people).
I've never minded emulation. I use it as much as I can cuz I think its a way to preserve history. All the Nintendo games and Genesis games I had when I was growing up I traded in to get more games because back then I was under 18 and I didn't have a job And I wasn't a rich kid so that was my way of buying new games. I don't want to spend the last 20 years trying to reclaim my childhood because now everybody wants to charge like you said in this video and saying I'm out for something like Chrono trigger. I have a raspberry pie 4 with 15,000 games on it. And I have a small retro collection and I have my PS5. I love video games in general. This is pretty educational video and I enjoyed it. After I finish watching it I'm going to boot up and play some old arcade games.
And the crazy prices happens to be why I don't feel guilty buying a repro off of AliExpress for $3 - $20.
I play, I don't collect.
I’m waiting for you to touch on FPGA based hardware emulation .. there’s 15 mins left of video .. if you don’t even mention it I’m
Gonna be disappointed…
I stand corrected .
NESticle & Genecist were my jams back in the day. I appreciate the trip down memory lane from Uncle Aaron, lol
Yeah boy. The NESticle bloody hand cursor is burned into my memory.
why doesn't the video game industry create more video games in these old styles, there is clearly a HUGE demand for it. And I don't mean remakes with new HD graphics, new ideas please, not sequels or remakes of existing titles. Unless of course, this is a conspiracy theory to drive up the prices of vintage stuff.
There is a lot of controversey around heritage auctions artificially inflating games they grade... Goodwill and Value Village are garbage scummy companies...
Still really want a modern console port of arcade games: Punisher, Spider-Man, Die Hard, Dynamite Cop, and Revenge of Death Adder.
when Retroarch first got Run Ahead working, they showed benchmarks proving that some NES games had even less latency than the original hardware. Emulation is the future.
Yeah it's a non issue at this point as long as you've got a decent monitor or TV
The anti emulator hysteria is something that's only come along in the past couple years. Growing up I and everyone else online loved emulators (get a PSP or Wii and hack it), your on PC and want to play console games like jrpgs, just dl an emulator. It's only when these collectors came in, looking to protect the value of their investments (that's how they view games), that all this anti emulator nonsense spread
I've been all for emulators for a long time now. The number of great games made in the past that will never be known to modern gamers because of stupid crap like licensing, or a publisher/studio being bought by a bigger company that just squashes everything and shuts them down for good makes me very sad indeed.
Biggest things I've taken from this video.
Probably the 5th time I've watched it in the past year.
You've confirmed my opinion on roms..and emulating..and..don't text and drive.
Holy sh!t people are crazy.
I drive truck for a living.
All I see are people doing 70mph down the interstate texting or scrolling through something on their phones. It's insane.
42yo here btw.
Word! I have mostly collected or picked up all of the games I loved or ever wanted. But emulation certainly has its place and in many ways is far more practical than the physical media approach as you mentioned. Great show as always...and you're right about those prudes who complain about save states, etc...who gives a shit! Indeed!
The whole idea of emulation being not OK is so stupid I am surprised someone can even make it.
I would have never get into retro video games if I didn't have emulation and 50 years from now I am not sure if people could even physically play them on original hardware at all.
I still remember being ten or nine when my aunt showed me the day of the tentacle on her computer using SCUMMvm and since then I never stopped playing them.
And personally, playing on your computer the game with a little help of an emulsion program as a child is closer to the original experience of the game than trying to buy a physical copy for ten times the original price and then messing with hardware just so it could be properly run. Is this what the creators intended when they were developing it? That people would need to go out of their way to play it?
Yup. These asshole game sellers. Hopefully people stop buying for a bit so these prices drop. Alternatives such as multicarts, Everdrives, and emulation
Doesn't matter who owns the IP, stealing is stealing.
Activionsion still needs to spend money on keeping the game running on current operating systems and legal reasons.
Right, it's not Nintnedos fault he sold his childhood when he was 20
..... and that's why I specifically said you should still pay for the game even if it is owned by Activision, but don't pat yourself on the back thinking a cut of the revenue is going to the Two Guys From Andromeda in 2021 just because you bought Space Quest off GoG. Unfortunately programmers aren't properly compensated for their work.
I don't follow your logic with this.
There's nothing like playing on the original equipment but emulation has it's benefits by keeping the past alive! Many of the original stuff doesn't work well or either completely dead or hard to find. It's up to us to share our childhood with the future!
I enjoyed this video!!!
If it wasn't for Emulation, I wouldn't have been able to play games my Dad talked about (2600/VCS games)
Man I love emulation and have used it since the year 2000 (when I got into speedrunning too) but this whole flipping old games crap is driving me crazy because I just want my copy of Chrono Trigger back, bought it for $40 in 2003 and now it’s over $200 for just the cart?
I’ll just use my Super UFO Drive 8 and put roms on floppy disk again, tho the new rom carts seem to be a nice option, spend $200-250 and get every game on a cart that runs on real hardware too on a real CRT.
What’s funny is all these games going for so much will die from bitrot one day, but yeah sad most of these people don’t even play the games.
I just bought an old Snes but the games batteries are dead, need a solder kit I guess.
On PC I use bsnes with a Snes controller to USB adapter the one you showed, it’s basically the same.
I do like the crt Snes hardware gameplay it’s just dinner to me, but yeah
And omg I’m really jealous you got a sony trinitron for $9.. the crt’s that I have only have composite on them and no rgb or s-video and I’ve never played old consoles with s-video before.
Maybe one day I’ll be able to find one for cheap too 😭
Brother, I agree with you so much on many of the topics. First as someone who bought all of these games on original consoles and over the years life happened. Now I play many on emulation and especially for companies like the big N who jerks when it comes to releasing them while wanting you to pay for them over and over. Sorry for the rant but developers have made fortunes and me using Nesticle isn't hurting anyone.
What a well-done video! You don't do vids of this length often FNA, but when you do, it looks like the quality stays super high - maybe even better than normal!
Thank you for bringing up the fact that those stupid mini consoles should have had a digital storefront attached. I was saying that when Sony dumped that stupid PS1 mini! Like, as someone who has a PSTV (I bought it for, like, $30 when they were discontinued, lol), it was _painful_ to get hit with that realization that that's the last device Sony made with access to all those PS1, PS2 and PC Engine/Turbo Grafx Classics that they began on the PSP or PS3. It one million percent should've become a storefront for the stupid Playstation Mini.... urrrghhh! And yet, for all the complaints people leveled at that thing, no one ever brought that up - it's crazy to see a whole digital storefront and already-established infrastructure go to waste!
Anyway, your video rules! The only thing I would add is that it's still a good time for people who want to collect older games *IF* they get into newer... older... hardware instead, lol. Like, Xbox/PS2 or 360/PS3 generation right now is still generally pretty reasonable. Which is why that's where the vast majority of my focus lies right now, while I'm waiting for the older retro bubble to burst and for prices to go back down to normal. Beyond that little point I wanted to mention, everything here was... _*chef's kiss_ Really nice job going through all those points and getting the passion through! Loved this vid!
The bulk of the money hardly ever goes to the actual developers, just right holders, publishers, and studio heads. Retroarch is an overrated bloated mess. edit: Other than this, top notch video.
I have this awesome NES emulator that models NES games in 3D and I also have a SNES emulator that is able to give me Mode 7 in HD and widescreen.
I'm surprised you did mention hyperkin system as a decent alternative to dealing with connectivity of multiple older consoles
I don't think that the argument about the mom and pop shops not sending a royalty fee 2 the developer or publisher is 100% sound. The only way that would be accurate, Would be if the game was originally stolen, or not paid for initially.Most likely, that cartridge was paid for and a royalty was sent to whoever owned the rights.So they did get what they legally should have as far As they negotiated in their contract. As far as the ROMS, if they were paid for initially, then it would be the same as being resold or given away in a mom and pop shop. If the ROMs were not paid for, then that would be taking advantage of Whom ever owns the rights to that ROM when it was taken. That ROM was bought or acquired, for its value, or potential value legally, and anything that oversteps that leagal contract is illegal. If the entity or person has enough money that they want to buy a IP and seal it away forever, and pay the money, that's thier right. Regardless of the moral views. It's just like Indian Jones stealing the cross of Coronado in Last Crusade. He wanted it to be displayed in a museum for all to appreciate it. BUT HE STILL STOLE IT ILLEGALLY! we just like Indy so it's ok.(he is also a mass murderer, but somehow we still love him lol) But if someone just walked into your house and took your watch or jewelry because they wanted it to be out there and appreciated instead of closed in your house, you would have a fit and press charges! Hahaha If you buy a house, you purchase the rights to use that property and permission to use that property along with the house.If you buy a house, you purchase the rights to use that property and permission to use that property along with the house. When you buy a car you buy the rights to use that car and permission to use that car along With the car. If somebody just came to your house and started using started using it or started taking your car and started using it, it would be a breach of your rights too that property. You paid for Is the rights of using that house or car within the contract.Again, you would call the police immediately, With the expectation that the authorities would stop the infringement on your purchased rights.
I'm not taking sides; all I'm saying is that LEGAL fair, and MORAL fair are often times not the same thing. You may think that it's ok to overlook a legal issue for your moral viewpoint, but when YOU are taken advantage of, you expect the legal authorities to defend your rights tooth and nail.
It's a product of this system. It will never be fair for all sides because people will never be blanketly fair with each other. Money and power will always influence the path.
We enjoy all these current and retro games, and we love playing them, but if it wasn't for the shrewd and sometimes underhanded business practices of the company's, we would not have most of them.
It all depends which window you are looking though at the time.
But this is a great video, and I'm a big fan hahaha
YES! Love this video! One other point to mention- besides the devs sometimes being dicks regarding rentals, some devs were just under pressure to meet deadlines and in some cases didn't always dot every I nor crossed every t before release.
When I was a kid the old consoles were done and gone, the only way to get NES games was to buy them used at some store for more than ten dollars per cart and you had to hope and pray they actually worked when you got home, and they almost never did. Like you said, having a kid use up their allowance to buy a used Mega Man 3 cart, that probably won't even work anymore, isn't exactly contributing to a sources of revenues for game developers. Allt it is is people with a lot of money buying old things to put on a shelf as a backdrop.
Developers don't make money of the sale of games. Publishers do. Sales help developers build a reputation and keep their jobs, but even new they are generally salaried to develop the game and don't get royalties on sales.
What are people going 2 30 years from now when all these old games don't work. Wow. They will sell the shit for 1000s and that will be the norm. If the world is even still here then.
Mario kart 8 for switch bought used from them 72 dollars bought back from me a month later for 15
They give you pennies and then turn it for a mint and then say it's the prices they get off the internet but aren't very pleased when you point out that's a crock when the same item is on the same store shelf for 3 times the price used that they are giving you pennies for
the problem i have is that the hardware will fail at some point.i have a turbografx cd player that burned out years ago & a turbo duo that burned out as well.i can replace them with a sd card reader but 1 its not what the developers intended me to play their game on & 2 i need roms.even if i found a way to repair or replace the cd rom with another cd rom it to will fail one day.plus controllers failing is another issue.anyone with an atari 5200 knows what i am saying
When Nintendo wanted to resell old Roms , they could not as most to all was lost as they and others made no backups, they could buy and rip them witch to them would cost like nothing giving what they make, but they did download the roms then turn around and shut the sites they got the roms from. if not for emulators they could not.