My Results from the Lloydz Garage Challenger Cams - What do I do now?
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- Watch this and learn before you pull the trigger on the new Lloydz cams for your Indian Challenger or Pusuit.
In this video I tell you why my results were not so good and how yours can be better.
The 140hp dyno chart you showed was from my Challenger. My recommendation for you is to get the Lloydz Sawicki 2:1 Mid-Length stainless exhaust. It is a key to this combo and tuning running optimally... from what I understand, the tune was developed with this exact combo. Sounds great at idle and cruise, not too loud but you definitely know the bike is running. When you rip the throttle it sounds so raw and throaty! Bike got better gas mileage on the way home than it did on the way to Sturgis, went from 33mpg to 38mpg... and I was I ripping higher speeds and feeling it out a lot more. Bike also runs cooler now when idling or riding at low speeds for extended periods of time. Overall I am very happy with the setup, the money spent, and how my Challenger runs now.
thats awesome! yeah thats funny, I noticed much better fuel mileage on the way homne as well.
I loved my Challenger and Sawicki pipe. However, it wasn’t fast compared to my new BMW K1600b! Zero comparison!
@@darcher5888 Your K1600b puts down 134hp and 117trq at the tire (the 160hp they claim is rated at the crank)... the full Lloydz setup has the Indian Challenger out performing your BMW.
THAT'S a brilliant tune and result. Exactly what should happen when an engine and components work seamlessly together, & the improved cooling confirms it! We don't have these options sadly in Australia, with only one place doing Lloyds remote tunes, and some VERY bad press about them sadly. Exhausts are absolutely expensive, with our crappy dollar, and the massive freight costs. Can you send us a video clip with sound of your bike? Would love to hear how it sounds.
@@GraemeBlore Thanks! I just posted a quick clip of my Challenger getting onto the on-ramp and then the interstate on my TH-cam channel. I'll get some idling video and walk around shots later this week.
Seems pretty obvious time for new pipes
Get the Sawicki / Lloyds 2 into 1 long system on it. I think the headers are 2" on them. 🇦🇺
After reading through the comments and thinking of your interest in performance (high torque and good HP), maybe a new Hayabusa would be a consideration to add to your stable. (Something I’m considering! Same age as you.)
My thoughts exactly. A Diavel, VMax, or 14r will all get er done too
Have tuners unlocked the ecu or still locked by Indian???
The 23’s and 24’s apparently can be unlocked now but it does cost quite a bit more than 22 and below. Apparently there may also be limits to what can be altered but I’m only going by what I’ve read. Reach out to Ryan at RVS Performance, I know he’s doing this.
@@TwoIndians thanks. I dont even have an Indian yet. But researching. If I were Indian I would make tuning easier to beat the competition no? They should be having 101 tutorials at HQ inviting tuners for the sake of gaining on HD. You recommend RVS over Lloyds?
Yes you need a 2 into one pipe
This is going to be hurtful…. Go out and buy a K1600B, and have a new channel 2 Indians and a Beemer ($27,835.00) 160HP and 133ft. Lb. Torque.
Man those things are crazy powerful! Did you see the video I posted on my IG a couple weeks ago from the stunt rider? Dang!
That's at the rear wheel, at the crank your bmw is 135hp 117tq
New 2 into1 exhaust would be the right move. Changing exhaust is easier and cheaper then throwing the old cams back in. At the end of the day do what makes you happy.
Change the pipes to max your torque as you mentioned. You already have the investment so max your torque.
not a lot of guys would drop better part of 4 g’s and then be honest that it was a waste of money. respect for honest review! and, i agree with others, you can probably rectify whole situation with the mid length pipe
Yes all bikes are different but I’d argue that between two bikes results should not be any more that a percentage point or two, no more. I’d also argue that if you dynoed two bikes off the assembly line that the max difference wouldn’t be but a percentage point or two. I’d be disappointed as well. Throw on 2 into 1 pipes!
You have no choice. 2-1 mid-length pipes. I would also recommend ceramic coating the headers. Helps to control the heat that you feel.
Something is gonna change that’s for sure
You invested almost 4 grand so you might as well add the 2 into one and get the best Bang for your bucks …
Wow & thank you for getting this out. Yes, Lloyd did say that that optimum performance would he achieved by a 2 into 1 pipe. But the Sawicki/Lloyd'z pipe is not the only one out there. Toce (see Ridingfish), S&S, Bassani & a lot of others have 2 into 1 that could get better results. Granted the look is not what you're used to on a big v-twin engine. And you could always run a ghost pipe set up (see D&D). But I understand & sympathize with you on the underwhelming lack of performance after the build up & the staggering costs involved. Would understand if you called a day on modification, for now, but in pursuit of the full potential of that motorcycle, a good 2 into 1 is going to be a necessity....
I'll keep watching
The tune that was loaded was developed with the Lloydz Sawicki mid-length 2:1 exhaust. The primaries are stepped about 6" from the exhaust port, I believe they are equal length as well. A lot of trial and error, testing and tuning was done with this particular combo. I'm not saying you won't get the numbers my bike did (140/130) with a different exhaust, but that the combo wasn't just thrown together. Lloydz has done extensive testing to retain low end and mid range while significantly improving horsepower from 4k RPM on up to the limiter at 6500rpm. I do most of my riding from 3500rpm on up... this cam fits my riding style perfectly.
Just enjoy your riding for a while before you make any decisions
In time more options will come your way 👍
Keep your current exhaust, and just enjoy what you have. It looks like it runs pretty good as is.
I have met Lloyd many times and discussed these cams with him in June. Not sure I need them due to cost v benefit. Running his exhaust which I love v Indian stage 1 pipes also have the remote tune and the bike runs really hard. Why mess with it. My suggestion is change exhaust make the power you want and be done.
Since you’re in for over $3600 I would go full Lloyd’s build and add his pipe to optimize the power output. Just stands to reason that his cams were designed to run with his pipes.
Facts
Time to be like RidingFish no Substitute for CUBIC INCHES!
What exhaust do you have now? I would change the exhaust
I was 133hp/126tq. Lloydz cams & flash installed during Sturgis. Challenger already had a K&N, Cat delete and 2:1 TAB Performance slip-on.
Those aren’t bad numbers at all. I would’ve been pretty happy with that
Two things….
One: We can race now 😊
Other thing… just get the recommended exhaust and enjoy the fruits of your expenditure.
I personally liked the power and sound your bike made the way you bought it with the Indian cams… I know you are very noise conscious with exhaust, but you probably should just bite the bullet and change the exhaust. I respect your honest review. Look forward to the follow up after you change the exhaust out.
New pipes, get rid of that cat. 2 to 1 all day long.
Which tune performed better with the Indian Cams and intake, RVS or Lloyds? I have the Indian Stage 1 and 2 upgrades and am curious which tune I should get?
I honestly can’t give the edge to either one. To me they were very similar
Awesome review. YOLO get the new 2-1 exhaust.
Good morning Brian. Disappointing news for sure, sorry to hear. At this point I’d ride it for a while until I could get back to Lloyd’s and get the 2 into 1 pipe installed. In for a penny, in for a pound…best of luck
It seems your already into it $.....Gotta get the 2 into 1....
I think the biggest thing was that you already had aftermarket cams, intake and tuning from a stock bike so you wouldn't have seen much of a change with the Lloyd's set up. That being said, it also seems with the cat still installed, you just can't push more exhaust out of the bike so it's being restricted which is why it still feels like a stock bike. Pulling more in means you have to push more out. Try the exhaust and retune to see where that gets you. You've already spent the money so why not 🤷♂️
Ok if that’s the case then, why would my numbers go UP with the Indian cams but go down with the Lloydz cams? My honest opinion is that these cams are made to work with the Lloydz pipes and should only be sold that way. I would love to hear from Tim and Or Lloyd on this.
@@TwoIndians I would think it's because indians were designed to run with the cat and the Lloyd's were not. So with the correct set up (intake, exhaust) Lloyd's could potentially out perform the indian set up overall. Since it's just the cams and not the entire designed system, it's being hindered from its full potential. If you've seen the evidence of 140hp set up from Lloyd's and you want the top performance you can get, it sounds like you're half way there and just need to complete the system to get the most you can from the engine.
Get the pipes, you have already spent the money on the cams and upgrades so just go ahead and finish it off with the pipes!
Make the change to the 2 into 1 pipes. Good luck!
Change the exhaust 🤦🏾♂️
Facts
Get the pipe that works best with the system. You went half way and are not satisfied.
Just change the exhaust! Leave the cams for now. Keep up the great work 👍
New pipes
Ride it and enjoy it or buy a Triumph Rocket 3.
Hi Brian, Those bikes have tons of power bare bones stock, I have a 2016 Victory tons of power stock. I understand everybody wants a little more out of there motor and that includes me. But the way I see it, just a high air flow air cleaner, power tuner, I have the cobra power tuner and a good exhaust and you're good to go. Noticeable power increase from stock without getting into thousands of dollars. Just my opinion, So for where you are at now, I would definitely go with the 2 into 1 exhaust to get the full power out of your upgrades. Good luck , Love your videos! 😎
You're already in deep. Put the the pipes in
New pipes, but go for the longer 2-1. As Lloyd says Shorty = hp, Long = torque and mid is a mix.sounds like you want torque.
Correct. Pipes are on order! Shhhhh. Don’t tell anyone, it’s our secret
Swap the exhaust to a 2-1 and see what the difference is.
Do the Sawicki 2 into 1 long pipe and have the ECU reprogrammed. Lloyd just came out with a lighter, less restrictive catalytic converter that should be released soon.
Replace cat, pipes and reprogram ECU.
That’ll make you appreciate the money already spent on the cams.
Well THAT is exciting news
Change the pipes! Thanks for sharing the price.
Easy peasy. Change the pipe and go ride it.
Well at this point what’s another 1K it’s going to cost just as much to put the old stuff back in anyway I’m for putting in the new exhaust
Get the lloyds exhaust, you already spent the money on his cams. Make an installment video of the exhaust for us diy guys. Then another video on dyno of lloyds exhaust and cams! Do it!
Change the exhaust. You won't be happy until you see the numbers you expected after spending that much money.
I'd bite the bullet and get that 2to1 and call it a day . Love the channell keep it up.
Thanks for the compliment. Exhaust seems inevitable I suppose. 😞
Great video as always remington! Doesn't get any more real than this...I'd say it's time to try a different pipe. I can agree with ya that I don't want any louder either but ya can't have your cake and eat it too. Can't wait for the rest of the videos!
Thanks FJ!
As stated the key here is.... 2-1
If you want a little bit more sound and performance, CMP exhausts.. wow.. so so good! I got the mid length in it is phenomenal, if you get the full length 2 in 1 also sounds fantastic!! So much performance there
I’ll have to look at it. I’m getting close to pulling the trigger on something. I’m going to stalking Daytona listening to different systems.
Wish they would have done a base line pull on it before the cams so you could see exactly where you started and finished on the same dyno.
Yeah, I don’t think they would do that because it heats up the engine and exhaust and everything before they work on it. They would probably have to do that the day before to let everything cool down.
O shit More money for new pipes 😢
Get the pipes!
Try the 2 into 1 pipes. To bad you couldn’t borrow a set.
The pipe is very important. I had a nice some years ago. Big bore kit screaming eagle heads and S&S gear drive cans . When I eventually put a 2-1 thunderheader and and a tuner made a big difference.
So you already mentioned that bikes with 2-1 pipes were getting significantly better results. IMHO the pipe is the finishing piece to get the results you were expecting.
It’s very common that when you make modifications like a cam that an upgrade in an air cleaner , a quality pipe and a tuner all combined to get the best results.
Also if you’re not doing a big road trip removing the tour pack will save some weight if it’s easily removable.
Bottom line get the pipe and tuned for it .
Get the pipes
Buy the 2 into 1, already committed.
$$$ BUMMER $$$
Hey Brian;
First I want to say how sorry I am over your disappointment. I feel you.
That said; I want to tell you that in the US I own a ‘22 Pursuit premium with stage one and stage two upgrades installed before delivery to me. I also own a new challenger dark horse without any engine upgrades, in Dubai, although I did install the remote preload shock system as soon as I could.
These comments are coming late but here’s my two cents: I spent a lot of time thinking about going for the full Lloydz treatment, but three things held me back: -1: I have no mechanical aptitude at all… so if anything goes wrong it’s off to my dealer, and the warranty would be gone. My dealer sold me the bike with the “forever warranty” and I like the fact that I have that, so this is a thing.
-2: Lloydz is either 9 hours or 14 hours away from me, depending on whether I head north of Champaign Illinois, or south. I’m not saying there will ever be a problem with the install-we all know that Lloydz work is top notch and the quality of the components is first rate, no doubt about that-but things do break, for whatever reason.
-3: the last thing that held me back was the marginal utility of the upgrade vs the cost. I know it will out out more up and more tq if I had went with Lloydz, but just how much more I’ll actually experience this is where the calculation is: I use the pursuit for touring; I did 5500 miles last summer in two weeks of riding, through 11 states…. It’s not quite as epic as your Sturgis run, but I was loaded with gear and I’m not sure how much more pleasure I would have gotten from the bike if I had gone full bore Lloydz… but like you said; your mileage in this respect may vary from mine.
At this point I might say, in for a penny, in for a pound. You’re obviously unhappy with the new setup. Your choice, it seems to me, is to either go all in and get the results you hoped for, or go back to the original setup and plead with Barb to forgive you.
Thanks for commiserating with me. Unfortunately when I bought my cams there wasn’t a lot of empirical evidence on what to expect. Lloyd even told me, “we’ve never done a bike with Indian slip ons”. I was expecting more horsepower and the same torque. As it is now, I’m loving with it, have become used to it as it is and will likely leave it unchanged because a loud exhaust system is not in the cards for me.
Get the Sawicki 2 into One through Lloyds
Change the pipes and get the power you want
Obviously, performance is what you're wanting, but I'd never give up the look of dual pipes. I hate the 2-1 look myself.
So sorry that absolutely sucks! Nice bike but how disappointing. Ride Safe!
Why is the AFR so high?
I've been very happy with my Indian OEM Stage II cams and tune. Great ridability, power and torque and keeping the warranty intact as well. Did this on my 22 Pursuit and 23 Pursuit Elite.
“Every bike is different”? Different results? So every Challenger is hand built, no two alike?
Correct, to a degree. They certainly have all the same parts but if you talk to any of the guys that are racing these bikes or selling them, they will tell you you could line up 10 brand new bikes and one of them will run better and one will run worse and the rest be very similar. Now of course that’s all subjective to a degree but what I really meant is that people do a wide variety of upgrades and the cams will perform differently based on those changes. A ghost in the machine LOL
BTW, I rode your highway over the summer. Amazing. 😉
@@TwoIndians You’re never to old to learn. I wouldn’t have thought that. I’ve had some issues with my Challenger, “electronics” glitches. But as time goes on and 10,000 miles later I’ve come to love it. Stay upright.
Question:
How much hp & torgue at the wheel gives Indian Stage 2 ?
Don’t remember the exact figures but if you watch the video I tell you pretty clearly. I think it’s 129/119.
Oh sorry. You said for the Indian stage 2. That was 121/129
@@TwoIndians... So difference is small...and you have the warranty from Indian
I too have done all of Montana and Wyoming , Yellowstone, beartooth did it alone and sometimes 28 degrees it was my best trip yet.
I like my 2020 Roadmaster with stage 1 exhaust and air filter. Lloydz is not getting 4 grand from me. Despite what these guys advertise some people are happy with the power they get from their 116 with stage one and I am one of them sorry not everyone wants more power!! I know it works great for removing money from gullible people's wallets just not from mine.
Like almost everyone else id slap the most optimal exhaust on. If that's the restriction point ya can't blame the parts already on if the whole package isn't there. I had the opportunity to ride one of Lloyd's sport chiefs that he's fiddling with and can I just say as soon as I get the chance I'm buying it. Thing is absolutely awesome for a cruiser and I come from a sport bike background. Anyway love the channel, trying to learn as much as I can about the Indian platform and being able to hot rod them. Absolute game changer for me.
Well my concern is how loud the bike is. I didn’t really cover it in the video but I have really bad tinnitus and loud shit is just intolerable. I realize in order for me to get what I wanted out of these cams pipes are in order and don’t tell anyone, they are coming soon.
Oh, and thanks for the kind words!
@@TwoIndians That is a very valid point now that you mention it but as with anything in performance there is give and take. I wonder if putting silencers in a loud/performance pipe would give you the gains of the cams but keep it quiet enough to not bother your tinnitus?
@@TwoIndians Ohh and you're welcome!! Got the sub and looking forward to what the conclusion is for ya!! 💪🏼💪🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
Sold my 22 dark horse. Was done. Then I saw this 24 Elite. I just wanna bust these HD 131s
Having owned several HD's and a couple of Victory bikes which I upgraded. My 2015 Street Glide twin cam 103 was a good bike that I hated riding at the end of the day. Why? Top end power at the expense of low end grunt means less real fun and more "drag strip" performance. I learned my lesson.
Go with a 2 into 1. That’s probably the most cost effective and best performing!
Brother I hope you can answer this. Why are these motors on the Challenger so loud on the top-end are you having their trouble. And if so how come you haven't spoke about it are you having to same trouble
I installed the tab 2 into 1 with zombie baffle . I like that setup it is 600 for that kit.
excellent video content and quality edits! i don’t ride an indian but i do ride. i’m in the winter springs/sanford area. i’ll be sure to give you a friendly biker wave
editing is my thing bro! LOL. CHeck out the ride videos. In the middle of my sturgis series now.
yea i wish i could join ya. i ride an ultra so its more than capable to handle it. i watched the vidz….great stuff!
one last shot at it... put the pipe on... if you are not satisfied just ride it... having said all that if you aren't satisfied you'll never like your bike
At this point in time I'd definitely go with rhe pipes nothing to lose definitely not conducive to rip apart the engine again.
They do sell 2-1 pipes with a ghost pipe so you can keep the look also, I feel like that would be the best of both
If youre doing new cams then you really have to go big or go home. Upgrade that exhaust.
I'm not happy with my Lloyd's tune ,cam 2 kit
You’re not the first one to tell me that. I’m putting an exhaust system on it soon so I’ll report back soon.
I found out the best seal at the head is the Harley screaming eagle gasket lot cheaper to
Mine is a 2017 111
I would swap out the exhaust. Seems that’s what’s holding back the cams so to speak.
I put a new Corbin seat on my pursuit now I need new bars, what are you using?
Well done B. Tastefully reviewed brother! I know you expected better numbers.
Lloydz and his guys are stand up guys.
They did 2 of my bikes at his old shop. Just get the pipes and have both HP and TQ.
Lloyd was aware that I was putting his cams into a bike with an Indian stage 1 exhaust and said nothing to disuade me from doing so even though he likely understood my results might be less than desirable and that I had no intention of installing loud pipes on this bike. Since that day he has posted several cryptic FB messages telling people that they’re working on “something” and blamed multiple complaints about performance on his need to clarify exactly who should or should not be buying his cams. I’ve reached out multiple times to try and get updates on other options and got crickets from him. Tim on the other hand has been gracious and communicative and understanding of my predicament. It’s not in the video but upon seeing the disappointment on my face Lloyd essentially gave me nothing more than a shoulder shrug and a “oh well” response. There’s more info that I won’t go into but yes a set of pipes may be in the works. Money is always an issue.
My advice: Leave it stock. It’s awesome as it is.
Like has been stated many times in the comments, Pipes will really open it up. You made it so it breathes in easier but it isn't exhaling properly. Beautiful bike by the way.
Recently upgraded to a Bassani 2:1. Torque feels about the same, better HP according to my butt.
go with better pipe. in true hotrod style chase that power
Wow, sorry to hear about that Brian. My Challenger is currently at Indian Charlotte getting Lloydz cams and Lloydz slipon's installed. Now you have me nervous. It is a lot of money. I guess I'll find out on Friday when I pick my bike up how well I faired. Thanks for your videos and your honesty!
I’ll be interested to know how it turns out for you!
Hey how did it pan out?
I have 23 Challenger. Just put the Lloyd’z exhaust on. Thinking of going 540 cams route next
That sucks! I remembered why you have the Indian slip on! You don’t want a bunch of noise! These guys running the sewer pipes 2 to 1 no heat shields are the guys that only ride 5 miles to bike night! Not ones that ride 6,000 miles to sturgis! Keep it as is and don’t lose anymore hearing or cook your skin off your leg! You like to ride man so let it alone!
Damn just burn the money 💰
If I were you I would take the bike back to the other dyno.. it looked a tad high but also you were at sea level and Sturgis isn't exactly.. it would give you a more clear picture of your before and after
His bike is limited by the factory primaries and slip-on exhaust. He needs a 2-into-1 exhaust in order to get the full potential of the combo.
it will be a little while before i can get it on another dyno but yes, thats in my plan. theres a local guy here thats run my bikes mutliple times and i know what to expect from it
@UnrulyRider I understand that, but if the dyno he uses, say is juicier than Lloyd'z because of who knows.. then Maybe the gain is better than he thinks.. but I also understand that because of his setup, he may have room for optimizing but this is just for mire apples to apples.. thats all.. I mean I got a discount code for Toce.. LMK
When are we going to find out how the toce did on the 112 kit @Ridingfish🤔🤔🤔
@zacharyedwards327 My bike is getting finished up, when I land in the US I'll go pick it up a couple weeks later!! Ride that SPICY girl home!!! I'll tell you everything then
Look, as usual, leaving tuning design expertese to a customer is „stupid“ thus there‘s no other choice than to understand. A tuning is only complete if you have intake combustion and exhaust jointly aligned to your purpose by experienced tuners for Your purpose. Race tuners don‘t give a damn about Your tune, they have their race tune knowledge developed in thousands of hours and may be able to soften that, but it‘s still a race setup. So if Lloyds is focused on ultimate power, than that‘s a brochure or a race target, not a practical road use target like what you‘re looking for. Really good tuning experts in Germany do not have that big of a name, unless they‘re tied to a automotive company, they‘re hidden gems, nerds serving Bike specialists with competent custom power machines.
I‘m not monitoring the US market and so I don‘t know what exists, as it‘s highly and abnoxiously illegal over here. but I know who I would contact here for tuning of v-twins (italian, american) and fours , triples, new and classics and others, even modern electronics full custom EFI tunings and who‘d make the exhaust to the calculation of the tuner with the experience for final alignments to optimize on the calculations.
I don‘t think Lloydz are that wrong, but you certainly have to take the full combustion chain into consideration not only that, but out of 1-2 hands that work together to achieve your result, not their repeatable disconnected non-aligned product‘s result.
When building a high performance race or show bike I’ll consider your comment as 100% correct but the reality is many times us tinkerers do things in stages and one day I’ll buy an intake, and a couple months later I may add pipes and then next year when my budget allows I can do a tune etc etc. expecting the average Joe (or Giuseppe 😉) to go to a performance shop and plop $10k + on a performance upgrade is unrealistic. I mean sure, if some of us had the cabbage for that we’d do it, but I don’t. And the hand wringing ensues 😂 thanks for watching
To me just a huge waste of money let these rich guys spend their asses off I am a poor boy who happens to have good credit I put everything I could into my 2020 Roadmaster fancy headdress floorboards extra chrome high-flow air filter and exhaust tank gauges taller windshield tall boy seat cupholders chrome garage door opener trunk rack chrome fishtail pipes. I also got black gauges to match the tank console gauges. So my bike is unique in many ways. It also has tan seats which you can not get anymore mine were protected from day one and still look new. I am satisfied with my bike I did not buy it to be the fastest there are lots of faster bikes. I bought it to be comfortable and have a bike that me and my wife would both enjoy and be proud of which we are. Since you already spent a fortune may as well get the pipes so you will at least notice the difference say goodbye to the sound you love though too bad should have saved your cash and been happy with what you had. I will say that my bike is no slough and feels plenty powerful with the high flow exhast and high flow air filter i have the u shaped one that apparently gives you a legitimate horsepower and torque increase never tried a stock one but it seems to have plenty of get up and go. I thought about cams but read about many regretting it and many actually lost torque and their bikes never ran as well and did not like them as much after and I decided no thanks torque is more important to me as I do not ride like a fool and do not have a death wish I got to 60 because I do not take chances with my life as I used to and 70 mph or 80 is fast enough on two wheels for me and 40 cruising with my wife on a curvy secondary road or even 60 is enjoyable enough with the tunes blasting or running silent just listening to the music of the 116 gives me all the pleasure I need no mid-life crisis here lmao. If I wanted a sports bike I would have bought a rice rocket or BMW. I even waited until 2020 to get the 116 and payed a penalty in Canada we pay a lot more my bike was 56 grand after all was said and done which is crazy and it will be my last bike and i do all the maintenance on it i can and use the best fluids and filters i can the only upgrades it will ever get will be the tires lol. If i was smarter i should have bought the 2019 they were clearing out but i wanted the latest and greatest i do not regret it but i would have saved over 10 grand.
On one hand you call upgrades a waste of money and say “let these rich guys….” Then you go onto to say you did a bunch of upgrades yourself and you did consider the cams but decided against after you heard questionable reviews. So are you saying you would have done the cams if they were good reviews? If so are you now one of those rich guys? What’s the difference from “wasting” money on decorative parts or performance parts? What does it matter? It’s whatever the bike owner likes and sees as a priority for his vibe. At least you can benefit from my review and make an informed decision, you’re welcome.
When I buy a Pursuit, I'm keeping it FACTORY equipped. Just want it for long distance "cruising." I went through all of that upgrading crap with my 2019 Springfield. Spent a fortune, and honestly I regret it all. Should have just left it all alone.
Yours is not an uncommon sentiment and hindsight is pointing me in the same direction.
In your case after spending $3600, it would seem foolish to dump that money down the drain when you can spend another $1500 to get a Lloydz exhaust and retune for it. This will likely put you way above where you were with the stage 2 cams in both Tq and Hp... Then you'll be happy with your bike again. 😎
Except my bike will be loud and I don’t want loud.
@@TwoIndians ... Eww, that's a going to be a problem. You're going to need to open it up to get what you want out of the setup you now have. Like you said, the intake is an unknown factor. If you go back to your stage 2 cams, the power may not return to the Tq levels you had before the Lloydz work.
What’s up man ! We talked at the concerts
Another day of editing LOL
Ignore the numbers and just ride...
That is me 💯%. 🤣
Thanks for the honest videos. So have you got your new 2 into 1? I had heard that Rinehart was coming out with a 2 into 1 for the Challenger? I have always had good results with Bassani 2 into 1 exhausts. Whatever you get i would recommend an exhaust with heat shields. Good luck, and looking forward to your future exhaust updates.
Yup. Just put on the Bassani 2:1 with heat shields LOL. Video coming soon
@@TwoIndians Awesome! Looking forward to the video! Thanks for the reply. And i am guessing a new down load to go with the new 2 into 1?
So If you buy a new exhaust you're looking at a minimum of $5k. Is that cost worth 15-20hp? And how often and how long are you going to be in the upper rpm range to enjoy the power? If you were going to get 140-150lb ft of torque I would say Probably worth it because you would feel it every time you twist the throttle especially down low. I appreciate the honesty and was thinking of possibly getting his cam but I highly doubt it now. I hope you eventually get what you were expecting.
Get the pipes