What I notice no one is talking about is how Mel+Caitlyn vs Ambessa is literally referencing ADC being peeled by their Support while they fight a Fed Top Laner lmao
Except it's unrealistic, ambessa would've destroyed them in a second, and then both and cait and mel would've insulted their junglers, and surrendered instantly
He was the first character designed for LoL right? Makes sense they'd make him be at the heart of everything- although crazy he won the most and also affected the world the most but had the least screen time out of all the main characters, less than even Isha! But they made every second he was on screen count
No, I saw a tweet mentioning the white flower on his desk representing the loss of someone, Orianna is not what he really wanted, his daughter is dead. @@blueblue6111
I don't think Sky was extracted to make Orianna. In fact, I don't think Sky was there at all. My interpretation is that "Astral Sky" has always been a representation of Viktor's humanity, similar to how Jiminy Cricket is a representation of Pinocchio's morality. To Viktor, Sky represents the potential for love and hope, and at the same time grief and guilt for her passing. When Viktor first fully converts a follower, Astral Sky is visibly displeased; this is because Viktor feels guilt for knowingly taking away the humanity and individuality of a living person. When Viktor commits to turning all of his followers into full automatons is when Astral Sky makes her exit. He claims he will miss their talks, but Astral Sky says "No, you won't." To rob the humanity of so many people, Viktor has to fully abandon his own humanity (or at least attempt to). Missing something requires a level of yearning, of love, of affection. By giving up his humanity, he will not be able to miss anything. Would love to hear your thoughts on my take, @necrit !
Astral Sky in my opinion was actually real and not just part of Viktor’s Imagination. The main reason is her glasses. if she was part of Viktor’s imagination then she would have probably still had those glasses but because hextech supposedly cures all illnesses her nearsightedness was cured and she didnt need them
wait wasnt sky smiling to him when he converted his first follower? she looked very glad so i was always confused if sky was like a manipulative hallucination from the hexcore to get viktor to convert more and more ppl
What really puzzles me is the anomaly hammer that Jayce brought back with him on the original timeline, which came from the timeline where Viktor won and was held by a dead Jayce. But here's the thing, the dead Jayce holding the hammer technically is not the owner of the hammer, since he got that on a diff timeline as well, which gives me the question: who is the real owner of the hammer??and where did it came from?? Since Jayce diamantled his own hammer to use it as a brace for his broken leg. If you think about it, the origin of the hammer will forever be from a dead Jayce that is not his own, in an infinite loop. The hammer is PARADOX. 🤔😵💫🤯 ALSO SWAIN CROW FETCH SOMETHING FROM IT IN THE END ☠️
20:28 The fight between Ambessa and Caitlyn is also a payoff to their previous sparring and Ambessa's "fourth principle" : she sacrificed her eye to get rid of Ambessa's talisman, thus achieving victory.
@@dizzyheadshis life's goal of the undersity be comming better now has a chance of comming true, since Piltover is allowing a zaunite onto the council. Sure it isn't paying off exactly right now, but the situation he wanted is alot closer to happening now than ever before.
Ekko was so impressive in terms of combat. He literally has 4 seconds to think about his next move. He fights again while processing his mistakes again and again until he succeeds.
That's what I love in Ekko's time travel. He has only a few seconds to try again, and while he rewind everything saving everyone else, he has to deal with the damage he takes before he rewinds. It's not a deus ex machina as most time travel, instead, it's a new small oportunity that comes at a price.
@@Chef8898 Not if you can't reach it to retry and get stuck like he did once and had to force an unsafe rewind That and if he gets a game over wherever he dies or gets converted, He can't retry from there
Depends on if this threat actually expanded to beyond Piltover/Zaun If it was essentially a single day in which all of piltover/zaun is wiped out, and then the viktor in that universe sorta realized what he was doing wasn't good, Ryze wouldn't have had reason to go look at everything beind fucked up there, the threat to the greater world was already over
Her betrayal never came out of nowhere for me, and it's 4 points in the story where Maddie is present that I felt something was off. 1. She was too happy about Cait becoming commander and the martial law was introduced. Coincidentally, she was the only enforcer who seemed happy about it. People said she may just be young and naive, but I never bought that. She was still an enforcer at the end of the day. 2. The bed scene with Cait. When Maddie was giving ''advice'' to Cait. I saw that as Maddie maybe could have used that in a way to gauge Caits loyalty to Ambessa for Ambessa. Why I thought that is because point 1. 3. In episode 4 when Cait and Maddie are at Caits mothers statue, in the ending of that scene Maddie looks away from Cait. People said they believed it could have been a breakup between them beforehand (offscreen) that made Maddie look away like that. But when i look at Maddies eyes in that scene, I see ''guilt'' or ''anger'', not sadness. 4. In episode 9, we can see that Maddie does flip with the bomb, not what she does exactly, but that she does something. There may be more things that I missed. But these where times that made me suspect her. Edit: Ambessa telling Vi in episode 6 about filling the void in Cait. That was Ambessa indirectly mentioning Maddie, so she was not talking about herself.
24:45 Dude, the ''warship'' is just Jinx's home/lab/hideout. We've seen it so many times over the length of the show, we just never realized it was/could be a balloon.
I seriously lost my mind when someone pointed this out to me! Like?? Damn she really did just pick up and move her entire bedroom / hideout into the fight lol
Yeah but she tuned it with paint and easter eggs, the whole city became a battlefield and they were just spraying graffiti meanwhile. The obvious missing scene of Ekko and Jinx ironing things out would make a difference
It's just a defunct ventilation shaft with the propeller blades that she repurposed as her hideout. She converted it into a zeppelin by attaching a balloon on top.
Imma say it, the guy who necrit was referring to at the beginning is a Pr trained yapper. They will just gloss over the lore of the characters that they changed and hope that people forget, the ending was rushed and the finale was a massive let down for what could and should have been something much more amazing and enjoyable. In the end It just left me dissatisfied and makes me question how much time they had to create season 2 compared to season 1
@@thewarriorreturns9179oh yeah, the writing in season 2 was trash. Arcane season 2 is my game of thrones season 8. So many massive plot holes, retcons, and making characters stupid for the sake of plot.
I'm pretty sure even Heimerdinger disagrees with you... not hating magic was literally Heimerdinger's character development arc if he still feared magic he would have never been able to help ekko make the time machine Jace and Viktor showed him that magic could be used for good, safely.
Wait, i had a different interpretation of episode 7 missing hextech, in my head when vi and the crew did the job in jayce's lab, the explosion killed vi, marcus was even shown to be shocked by the view, so simply hextech was never pursued in fear of it's danger.
That makes more sense then his explanation, but it would be very out of character for Piltoverans to care more about the life of a Zaunite than a whole-ass residential building in Piltover. And it's extra weird because in the original story they DID initially stop Jayce from pursuing it because of the damage it caused, but eventually their greed took over. Why would any of that be different?
Yep. That's what I thought. Jayce was probably banished. Silco must have found Vander's letter much earlier too. Otherwise he would have already been working on Shimmer. Heimerdinger being there for 3 years will probably have helped with integrating the two sides as well. He'll have come in with a better understanding of how things actually were for the Undercity.
@@jogadorjnc Well, again this is only in my head, my explanation is that in "our" universe the explosion happenned but nobody died, so jayce could argue that it happenned because of an accidental misshandling of the stones or whatever, but the damage was only to inanimate objects; On the other hand a child straight up died and was found in the arms of her little sister, so not only he was studying "Illegal" stuff, that stuff also caused a death, so it wouldn't sit right both with the council and at least personally, it woudln't sit right with jayce himself! Plus if jayce never recieved the fragment, why did ekko find little fragments embed with the wall, why did Powder still have multiple hex stones?
@@cangaroojack Yea, it makes no sense, it's just a plot hole They could have patched the hole out if they had more time, but they really needed the avengers to assemble in episode 9
Totally agree on this show benefiting from a third season, or at least a few more episodes. Act 3 moved at lightning pace in my eyes, especially towards the end.
Nah s3 would have been too much. This show was always fast paced so idk why that's a critique. The only thing that should have been added was the deleted scene with jinx and ekko
7:01 I don't think this is a universe where Viktor never gave the gem to Jayce and the Piltolver lab belonged to someone else. Remember that after the explosion in the original timeline, Jayce was put on trial for the potential dangers of his experiments but managed to get away and continue working on hextech. I think that in the alternate timeline Jayce’s trial resulted in a conviction because there a child got killed. This would explain why hextech never came to be, as it was definitively proven to be dangerous and everyone in the council, including Mel, rejected the idea.
We can it forget Viktor saved his mom in the original universe, not the alternate one. And his mom was the person who defended him when he got convinced.
@@88fransiskashe defended him from being sentenced. But he was forbidden to continue his research anyways. The difference is that neither Mel would give Jayce a second chance after a child's death nor Jayce himself would like to go on.
I just assumed that jayce died in the explosion as well, and maybe that's why he didn't end up in the same universe as the others, that perhaps there was no jayce there for his mind to inhabit.
I may add that Viktor took a great part in getting hextec started. he couldn't work on something that killed someone he wanted to help that desperately
Well I won't stop saying one thing: The trio of Ekko, Heimer and Powder are insanely ingenious. The came up with time travel in such a short span while Viktor needed multiple timelines to figure out what rune will stop the hextech corruption. They had such an amazing development as well - Powder realizing her full potential, Heimer giving it his all without holding back and even going as far as sacrificing himself to help his dear student and timeline and finally Ekko choosing to return which resulted in him saving the world. Such a cool detail was that this final battle is in a sense a throwback to his champion trailer "Seconds". Viktor needed all the time in world to fix his mistakes but Ekko? He needed just seconds Edit: I want to say that I got it wrong about the acceleration rune. Viktor discovered that it was the right one and gave it to Jayce so they together could invert the corruption. Although I still believe that Viktor did not account for Ekko. Runes are discovered, not created right? So the first rune being the "acceleration" rune helps Ekko only indirectly. He still could've chosen to stay there and Viktor could not have affected it in any way
As an Ekko fan I was worried how they would handle the Z-Drive and that they wouldn't make it his own creation anymore. And while he did collaborate with the others, I like how they showed more than once that it was Ekko's ideas driving the project, and he was the one to figure out the key elements to making time travel work. I think they handled it pretty well
Its true that Ekko was the one that was pushing the project and the idea, but if you pay close attention you can see that Heimer was the one to really make the project and Ekko and Powder were more like assistant. Which also translate perfectly into the lore of Heimer being one of the smartest people alive in Runeterra. Honestly seeing this scene of Heimer being excited and going into invention and projects made me release how above he is of Viktor and jayce. He created a time machine in weeks. Goated character
6:53 In the alternate world, I thought the difference was that the explosion in Jayce's lab from the dropped gem killed Vi. The remaining kids got mild punishment due to being thieves (with the death of Vi causing the council to limit the harshness of that punishment), Jayce gets harshly punished for illegal experiments leading to a child's death, the disaster shines a light into the struggles of the under-city allowing peaceful resolution of the problems between piltover and zaun (explaining Silco's friendliness). As for Vikor time travelling to hand out hexgems, I thought that he literally was trying every combination. He gave Jayce a gem in each reality, each with a different sigil, until one of them succeeded in saving the world.
Actually, Silco's friendliness comes from a different source. That job was what exposed Vander's kids to Silco's men, it's what starts Silco's movements against Vander. Without that job ending in the fight, Silco is left to still be biding his time, and thus, there's more time for Vander to reach out, or him to finally find the note in the mines.
7:00 I think you missed that at the end of the episode Powder had the prototype unstable gems… my interpretation is that it was an universe where Viktor did give Jayce one of the gems with a different rune, which butterflies into Silco getting the letter, Vi dying at the job, and Hextech and shimmer never existing
Imma say it, the guy who necrit was referring to at the beginning is a Pr trained yapper. They will just gloss over the lore of the characters that they changed and hope that people forget, the ending was rushed and the finale was a massive let down for what could and should have been something much more amazing and enjoyable. In the end It just left me dissatisfied and makes me question how much time they had to create season 2 compared to season 1
@@thewarriorreturns9179 to the objective things you’re saying I agree, but your subjective conclusion, I am not that far. 1. I do believe in the passion behind the team and it is known that the project was almost shut down multiple times, but thanks to the co creators they kept it alive. That said, yes he is very PR trained in how he communicates. 2. Yes, the second season was rushed, but to me it seems like a result in the way they produced and wrote the show. The show is not perfect, but it is excellent. How satisfying or not the show is, is extremely personal. That said, I think people will remember this show as a milestone, an imperfect and rushed masterpiece
@@thewarriorreturns9179 you copy pasted the same comment to like at least 5 different comments that have nothing to do with your original statement quit hating and seeking for attention
thats not going to happen. They said they are finished telling the stories of these characters and want to explore other reigons and other characters/stories.
@@PatriciaRodrigues-bt6wz and they also explained what I said. I believe that implies we will be seeing characters that interact with said new stories (such as mel, leblanc etc. for noxus).
@@kitnal4143 It's okay if that's what you *believe* but it's *your belief*, not a fact. In Necrit's stream when Christian was asked about timebomb he said they're "worth exploring moving forward" so it is possible
I think being a fan of the games helped you out. As somebody who doesn't really know the lore I felt like this season was rushed all to hell, and I still don't understand half of what happened. Singed can summon Warwick using his blood, which he does, until he doesn't, and then he needs to hunt Warwick down because... he apparently needs to plug him into Viktor? So he needed Warwick *and* an alien technology nobody had ever seen before the whole time? Mel goes Super Saiyan and then she's just immediately great at... something... which she then immediately uses to fight people in a war. Heimerdinger vanished because of something, something something, we needed a dramatic thing to happen at the end of the episode. Sevika doesn't get any dialog and the undercity just gets dropped completely in the final act, but they still show up at a dramatically appropriate time to help fight some army because Jayce managed to apparently convinced the entire city in a single conversation that the city was about to be attacked by some world-ending alien-army? Ekko something-something a plot device so he can do the thing he does in the game but then just throws it like a bomb, I guess, and it somehow 'disrupts' Viktor I guess, so Jayce can be like "Hey you told me to tell you to blow yourself up, I guess." And remember that dramatic speech at the end where Jayce was like, "Hey Viktor, I'm retconning your entire character into a guy who was just using hextech to 'fix weaknesses' in people but actually the beautiful thing to do is not fix people because there's beauty in imperfection." That was never Viktor's thing but I guess it has to be his thing for the cute speech they wrote to work? I don't know. I wasn't won over. The action was great but the characters got virtually no dialog, everybody just did what they had to do to shuffle the plot along, and then League was the Avengers Endgame all along, I guess.
This. Act 3 left me so disappointed and it all felt like they wanted to make it as marvel as possible. ep7 is literally multiverse with ekko being miles and powder being gwen while ep 8-9 they just went full avengers endgame conveniently ending the struggles between Piltover & Zaun with the greater enemy trope so now we must unite and beat the bad guys. None of the important ''good'' guys dies since that's only for the bad guys. The writers can't be the same between S1 and S2 lol.
This is exactly how I felt. Season 1 broke the mold on what media based on a video game can be, and then season 2 stuffed itself right back into that box. The show became so focused on getting every game-character to their end state so that game fans can go "Omg that's the thing from the game". And lost the plot along the way. They kind of even destroyed Jinx's character they spent the entirety of season 1 building. At the end of the season she fully embraces villainy, commits the ultimate act of terrorism, kills her second father figure, all while Sting's "what could of been" plays in the background. In season 2, Jinx is made de-facto symbol of the Lanes, which nobody in the narrative of S1 would ever accept, let alone sevika, and then she bumps into a random kid and all the trauma just goes away and she's good now. What!? I was very skeptical of season 2 when they obviously were cluing that they were going to bring Vander back to life as warwick, as I felt this decision would destroy the hours of perfectly crafted character development they gave to Vi and Jinx. And it did. I feel like whoever was writing the dialogue was aware of these narrative holes too because even Vi herself states "I would never become an enforcer, they killed my parents" and then does so anyways without any narrative to make her change that decision other than getting drunk and presumably having an off-screen conversation with a side character. Then she states to jinx "Why would I ever believe Vander is still alive, you're just luring me into a trap." and then proceeds to follow her straight into the mines, when two episodes ago she was fully set on killing her sister and was hunting her down. The show just glazes over hours of character development for the sake of pushing the story into a grandiose avengers style ending where they "save the multiverse". And as a side note, I'm really tired of "save the world/multiverse" plotlines. When the stakes get so high, especially that quickly, I find that as a viewer the stakes couldn't be lower, and I care less about the characters problems. Firstly, because when the stakes get that high, you know they can't fail and that nobody important is going to die. And secondly, there's absolutely no narrative that allows me as the audience to empathize with characters struggles because it all goes so fast and the audience loses context and time spent with its characters to fully understand and empathize with their grievances. There's a reason most of the viewers thought S2 episode 7 was their favorite of the season. And it's not because of the time-line travel sub plot.
One scene that was short but very powerful was Cait and Jinx interacting in the prison. First time they had an one on one and the way Cait says "good deeds can't undo OUR crimes" was really so expressive for both of their arcs - condemning Jinx and herself for their actions but also letting go of the hatred and moving forward.
it was a good forgiveness arc, but I did not like that Cait echoed the common perception that redemption is not possible. Basically a barrier to true forgiveness in my eyes. How does one move on from crimes if not with reparations? With connection and understanding? Sequester and forget is antisocial. The hurt and spurned misbehaving child just wants to be loved and accepted, not punished. That is the core of every human that lashes out (not sociopaths who hurt for the enjoyment or sake of it). Anyway, when I heard Cait say her line there of "good deeds can't undo our crimes" I both sighed for her not being ready to grow and forgive but also perhaps Cait felt a bit unworthy of forgiveness herself, considering her awareness of the atrocities she had committed with the mantle of authority. A great scene, and perhaps showing why true forgiveness is so hard: not just because of what others do to us, but because of what we do to others that makes us feel unworthy of forgiveness, that shame.
@@catdad626 I interpreted it more as the good deeds dont UNMAKE the past, but its the best we can do. The past cannot be changed, but they can try to make things better - without erasing what was done in the first place. I think at this point Cait took responsibility for her actions but also was choosing to forgive herself AND Jinx, at least as much as she can at this point in time.
Viktor did give Jayce the rune in the other universe, but due to Vi's death his studies weren't funded by the COuncil (and Mel) and so hexgem weren`t produced. But the fragments of the crystal was in the scene as Ekko got a few of it and in the final scene Jinx has a bunch of if on her drawer.
Other criticism I haven't heard yet: personally I enjoyed S1 more than S2: more grounded, the interesting diplomacy, the class war, everything felt more "real" and the characters shined better because of it (Silco my beloved..). In S2 they went way further and wilder with the fantasy, with the whole viktor storyline and the warwick storyline, and there were so many stories that needed to converge that it all felt a bit forced... But sure, it was a spectacle...
I feel pretty much the same way. The series really excels at character writing, which makes the grounded stuff so enjoyable. Season 2 introduced so many new things (I had to explain what the Black Rose was to my non-LoL playing friend because he had no idea what was happening with the merchant/Ambessa scene), and it ended up feeling like great scenes stapled together instead of a cohesive experience. I think that's why S2E7 is my fave, because the show got to do what it does best again imo. Also, you're right. Silco is the GOAT
I fully agree, and also had the same experience trying to tell my non-playing LOL partner what the black rose was all about and trying to piece together what was happening to Viktor (hextech jesus wasn’t really explainable I think). We both loved S1 and also episode 7 of S2 was our favorite as well
I think part of the reason why some people enjoyed s2 more than the others is their former knowledge of the lore allowed to them to fill in the gaps and they were ready for much larger scale fantasy than those who only watched arcane. Which means we could get better results with one more season to bridge this gap, but then again, Riot is rich but they're not super rich and Fortiche has limited capacity, they wanted to expand their verse asap and this was the only way to do it, sacrificing clarity and details
@@envahanime6220 I don't think it needed a full season, just add another act to this one and make 12 episodes instead of 9. Then it probably wouldn't feel so rushed.
@@envahanime6220 I'm not quite sure I agree with the "Riot is rich but they're not super rich..." comment. Arcane S2 is the most expensive animated series ever, with a total standing budget of $250 million. The show got hindered with too many plot points to cover in a nine episode series, and desperately could have used a final act to even out the pacing and the storytelling. Too much set up, very convoluted and messy payoff considering the time and money spent.
ep7 is a 10/10 for me just amazing only problem with this season for me is the phasing from uniting and creating zaun to fighting victor and noxus maybe if they made the hexcore more of a threat instead of showing the firelights tree corrupting instead they could have showed it corrupting people and more of the area like it did in the ep7 with jayce all and all top tier show (would get alzheimers just to watch it again)
the show was amazing, but really could use one or two more episodes to flesh out some details. Cait and Ambessa "falling out" was a bit too rushed considering how eager she was for revenge, Ekko and Jinx convincing Zaunites to join them could use a bit of screentime after they refused to help Jayce, etc. ep 7 was perfect tho
@@mformotivation9152 Eh, i think the betrayal of cait makes perfect sense. Throughout all of act 3 she outright fights or disagrees with ambessa and seems pretty reluctant to follow her
@@funnyspoon5120 it made sense sure, but a bit more perspective would be nice. Cait seemed unhappy with Ambessa, but never had any outrage about their disagreements like she had with Vi. Ambessa even trained her and called her kin, which based on her paranoia proves they spent a lot of time with each other. I just wish we saw more of their interactions.
The only real miss from the show imo was how they handled Warwick's design by the end. Him being half human and wolf made sense and was really executed in act 2, and in act 3 they had the perfect setup to make him go full wolf, with the scene of Isha blowing up everything and "killing" ww (which would tie up with the whole deal of death being the ultimate catalyst for is final form), and especially with the scene of Vander's burning memories. Keeping him half human to the end honestly served 0 purpose and making him go full wolf would not only serve better to convey the idea that Vander is gone but also pay better respect to the character's history. All this sucks even more after they revealed Arcane WW skin for league, which could be served for his design on the show perfectly. The justifications they gave about keeping him half human all the way was BS honestly.
Perhaps with viktor gone, vander's beast transformation can finally accelerate, making him fully a wolf. Albeit I don't understand why they didn't match the league skin visuals to the show visuals.
Whining because a REALLY great character doesnt look EXACTLY like some lame on game jpeg is a choice man, WarVander >>>>> whatever yall are crying about
I did find his comment about WW human face rather hollow. They kept Vanders face on the wolfs body to convey to the viewer there is still humanity within him. Which just reads as: "The average viewer is to stupid to get the message so we have to dumb it down visually for them to understand it." This is never a good response. Especially since it falls flat when Viktor goes inside his mind where we see the fragments of Vanders memories & literaly human psyche.
I think another reason why Viktor was shocked by the Z Drive was this device is a symbol of choice. Viktor dismisses humanity/freewill/choice, thinking the glorious evolution is the only destiny. Yet the Z Drive was born from another universe which clearly means there are infinite amount of possibilities defined by choice. That's why he went: "That device can't be."
The show was so consistent in its' quality. It's hands down one of the best animated shows I've had the luck to witness. The only drawback for me was the way viktor's story was shaped after he merged with the core. I loved the Season 1 Viktor, he was relatable and a character with a very moving story that set up the his broken psyke. However, I was already attached with the mechanical version of Viktor that used his ingenuity to pursue the glorious evolution. Viktor's tapping into the arcane to become quasi-celestial and pursuing the glorious evolution that way felt like some kind of cheat for the character, I feel it undermined the setup on his character in Season 1 and his drive to solve problems becoming a self made messiah for the desperate.
I saw the shift from inventor -> spiritual healer as a result of Viktor still wanting to do good, but no longer believing that his and Jayce's inventions are the right way. Inventions are taken and abused, but by tapping into the Arcane, Viktor finds himself able to do good directly, or so it'd seem to him.
One thing about the Z-drive damaging Viktor that I thought was different than what Necrit pointed out, but I could also be wrong: Instead of just blowing up and damaging Viktor, it actually seemed like it "Rewound" the part of Viktor that it came in contact with (The same way it rewinds Ekko) and since it hit him in the head, it gave him back some of his emotions, returning some part of Viktor to before the "process". It doesn't mean much but if its what it's meant to be I thought it was a nice twist instead of it just being damage that shook Viktor free of his apathy or whatever.
Viktor's line is: "this device CANNOT be." My interpretation is omniscient Viktor can recognize that it is Hextech that he had no part in creating; it came from a world where he didn't invent it. This causes the mask to break because it proved to Viktor that "progress" could be made independently of him. His way is not the only way.
this this this, I feel like Ekko pushing the Zdrive past its limit is supposed to be extremely significant, not just in the way that it could have brought back the part of Viktor that had not had his humanity destroyed by Singed merging Viktor with Warwick, but it could even have a huge implication for this "from the future" version of Viktor that we see trying to influence Jayce. In the same way that we see different Powders and Vanders in the other universes, I think the Viktor that went back in time to save Jayce was from a timeline where Viktor does not lose his humanity in the process of pursuing the Glorious Evolution (I feel like this is further confirmed by us now getting an "Arcane Savior" Viktor skin now, contrasting the base Viktor who has his body deformed while losing his humanity). So this very significant moment of Ekko maxing out the Z-Drive and blasting Viktor with it could have been the moment (similar to Ekko and Jayce and Heimer) where this point in time is scattered across the multiverses, prompting a different version of Viktor to manipulate the timeline in such a way that Base-Viktor's humanity is restored and he is allowed to see the sheer desolation caused by his actions.
I thought that Viktors mind partially fused with the beast/warwick and after his body was gone, the beast returned to warwick (which explains why he's the only one moving after viktor being gone). That veil around him might be the beast being put in place by viktors powers to also protect him. It makes kinda sense that the z-drive would be able to damage the beast if the power of the arcane is able to control it. Also, wasn't the limit like 10 seconds, something Heimerdinger might have teased in his song.
I'm prettg sure that Sky had nothing to do with Orianna. Just like all of the humans, who were evolved, lost all humanity, Viktor in his final evolution lost his humanity, and Sky was part of the humanity inside Viktor, which was destroyed
Imma say it, the guy who necrit was referring to at the beginning is a Pr trained yapper. They will just gloss over the lore of the characters that they changed and hope that people forget, the ending was rushed and the finale was a massive let down for what could and should have been something much more amazing and enjoyable. In the end It just left me dissatisfied and makes me question how much time they had to create season 2 compared to season 1
@@donvitopatata even if it is a bot comment, i still kinda agree with it. The ending did feel a little bit rushed and i really felt unsatisfied, i cant pinpoint exactly what it was but i just remember feeling a little disappointed once the credits rolled. Yes it closed everything up but something felt like it was missing something for me.
@takedownmstr5300 in my opinion, it wasn't really a finale. Since more stories are coming up, we MIGHT see stories of the characters that haven't been finished yet. Like getting more details on Ambessa, Mel, Singed in noxus. Maybe we'll see Jinx again in a whole different region (maybe as a minor character) in the future. Even now we don't fully know what happened to Viktor and Jayce. We could get one in the future. We could have a story about yordles which would start up heimer's story again. I think it was left as an open ending on purpose. But yes, it was rushed.
Yeah viktor just sid that jayce is the only one who can stop him and shown that in every universe he gave jayce a hextech stone with a differrnt sigil each time so i think it was jayce lab but with this sigil the hexstone blow faster so vi didnt have the time to flew and the thing is the fact that it was the good sigil after all
for your detailled analysis: when jinx blows herself and warwick up at the end, when the explosion goes off you can see a pink energy line that always happens when jinx uses shimmer speed. You could guess that she escaped.
I suggest you watch the beginning of episode 9 again. Jinx uses the monkey bomb several times and each time it starts with purple lights. They also show at the very start the the device was created using Chemtech (green), Hextexh (blue) and Shimmer (purple!). (edit: changed purple flashes to purple lights because apparently it was confusing)
Imma say it, the guy who necrit was referring to at the beginning is a Pr trained yapper. They will just gloss over the lore of the characters that they changed and hope that people forget, the ending was rushed and the finale was a massive let down for what could and should have been something much more amazing and enjoyable. In the end It just left me dissatisfied and makes me question how much time they had to create season 2 compared to season 1
@@valentinbezdan570 Did you watch the explosions I mentioned and paused ? I described it as purple flashes, but they are Shimmer lights like the ones that come from Jinx's eyes. Just watch it already, there's at least 1 of them where it's also a straight beam of purple ...
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Episode 7 is the best to me, both seasons. It's the only one that's slow, takes it time and shows us both what could have been and what could be, and that's the theme of season 1 and season 2. The Ekko and Jinx moments are amazing, especially considering you have a French song there from one of if not the best French speaking songwriter (Stromae, who's pretty much retired btw), with amazing lyrics. And switching from those genuine moments of joy to Jayce's survival and vision of the future. You could even go really far and say that the "what could have been" scenes are the shimmer that we, as viewers, get addicted to, because we only want to see this, and not the alternate reality of Jayce that make up the rest of the episode.
The only thing for pay-off I wouldve really liked is seeing the orianna sequence. Just 20-30 seconds of singed bringing the body to her and her awakening and them embracing with him saying her name and then its done
Imma say it, the guy who necrit was referring to at the beginning is a Pr trained yapper. They will just gloss over the lore of the characters that they changed and hope that people forget, the ending was rushed and the finale was a massive let down for what could and should have been something much more amazing and enjoyable. In the end It just left me dissatisfied and makes me question how much time they had to create season 2 compared to season 1
In that scene where ekko tried to stop jinx from exploding herself, he tried to stop her multiple times and when he told her that “see if i can talk an old friend out of blowing US up”, she jumped to die and didn’t use the grenade because she didnt want to hurt him anymore.. she also had VI written on her face from tears
I didn't like the ending. The whole reasons everyone watched season 1 got rushed in season 2 for a save the world plot and everyone's individuality got a tiny rushed over spotlight. There was no post Isha dialogue. Also, romance in a jail cell instead of running after your emotionally destroyed sister? It needed so much more time to explore everyone's individual story. I'm very upset it all got rushed over because thats why everyone became invested.
yes this is so fucking true, it's called character-driven story vs plot-driven. In the last 2 episodes, the show completely switched from being about the decisions of characters and their emotions to just trying to justify a big epic battle scene. It feels like they just wanted a bombastic ending and wrote all the character's actions around that.
This, finale just felt like some goofy rushed marvel endgame scenario where the conflict between Piltover & Zaun gets quickly solved because the power of friendship will defeat the greater threat. To top it off we get the classy fakeout death scene with Jinx.
@@rek_sai_only1430 Literally everyone has a fake death scene besides maybe Vander and Isha. I was so done with Riot plucking the emotional cords only for us to know that no one was ever actually going to die.
well the lore of league is so huge you really cant spend more than 1 season per region , otherwise it will take life times to end , so i understand why the story was rushed also probably because the episodes are so damn expensive
14:53 by far this is the worst scene in arcane. There is a threat of a war, your Sister wants to k*ll herself and you just f*ck with cait. There is nothing more to it than fan service and it ruins the episodes dynamic. I dont say there shouldnt be cait and vi bonding scene there but It should ve been a fast hug or a kiss and then a rush for jinxs life
Leblanc can literally be anywhere tho, as she is in lore. She has thousands of clones scattered around Runeterra, and while her main region is Noxus, this is not concrete evidence in comparison when we would have a VA for Darius for example
Imma say it, the guy who necrit was referring to at the beginning is a Pr trained yapper. They will just gloss over the lore of the characters that they changed and hope that people forget, the ending was rushed and the finale was a massive let down for what could and should have been something much more amazing and enjoyable. In the end It just left me dissatisfied and makes me question how much time they had to create season 2 compared to season 1
Truly. My emotions and expectations were destroyed during Act2 that's Vander flashback was illegal. And Ep7 was beautiful I can live in the world and enjoy the soundtrack again 😂
I m so surprised to this day why no one talk about jinx character assasination in mainstream channels. Like they stripped her off of an ultimate serious decision which was a result of very tense emotional and painful changes she gone through, like nothing ever happened. I cant even describe the disappointment i felt once i sense no tension in her character when i first saw her in season 2 and realized the writers have dropped their balls to make jinx a serious villain despite clearly spending entire season setting her up for that role.
14:29 this had to have been the most awkward time for a sex scene. Not only is there a war going on, but jinx- who vi still cares about- basically said she was gonna self-delete. she was *just* brooding about it. it feels so shoehorned in. i feel like that scene should have happened in act 2 when the stakes were lower.
i m haunted and disgusted by this scene, it was some kind of porn i felt very bad, really no build up no développement awkward as you said, they ruined cait vi dynamic for teenage fantasm, pfff
When I was watching the scene i leterally said, do we have time for this long ass sex scene there are a tom of mysteries to solve, at the end of the showits just leaves u kinda ,"why?" Last act does a poor job at explainin whats happening, I am not even sure whats happening or why characters are making those decisions, the show was good but damn I really felt it pulled off too many mysteey boxes to then not solve them(or explain them so bad we cant see them on a first watch), It just looks like characters being out of character and plot holes, or just plain confusion
Havent watched through the whole video yet, but in case he doesnt touch on it, anyone else feel like Viktor being the hooded mage was a retcon considering the original hooded man had tattoos and his magic seemed completely different
The thing I've noticed is that this season implemented a LOT of fan theories into the show, Viktor being the mage from the future was one of them. Orianna being Singed's daughter was another.
That Viktor isn't Viktor, I know it's a good design and all, but it's not the Machine Herald, much less the glorious evolution that I was expecting, the Battlecast universe has already done an incredible job in setting up what would happen if Viktor achieved what he wanted. I mean, there isn't a day that I would think a mannequin army was cooler than mechanically transforming others into a self-replicating army of brute robots. This whole thing makes me think about what happened with Evelynn, Kayle, Akali, but in these they still maintained a similar design idea, Now a Swain, an Irelia and a Yorick, they changed so much that if you get the champion before the rework you don't even recognize it .
@moe5020 also true. But I think a lot of these issues could be solved if they are just explained better. More episodes could help. But yeah, at times it felt like it was written by an entirely different team...
They have to move on from Arcane, to tell stories from other regions too, I believe this is to build up the road to Riot's MMORPG, so that people could integrate all the stories into the game and understand the setting of the world, most importantly spark people's interest to explore.
I think we needed more backstory on Ambessa vs The Black Rose. Cause why would Ambessa stall for Victor to take over the world? Her character was set up to be smarter than that. The show tells us her ambition blinds her but she has to know Victor could have easily taken over her consciousness as well
I think it's pure desperation. When Mel was talking to Elora about Kino's killer covering their tracks too well, she mentioned her mother was desperate, and that makes her all the more dangerous. I think the black rose honestly scared Ambessa and struck a level of fear in her to cause her to act drastically out of line. When BR takes over the guild merchant Amara and snatches Ambessa up, we see her start to get scared and lose control. I think that altercation caused her to slip even more into sloppy and desperate actions.
@@ZenithZara97The black rose isnt afraid of Ambessa. The black rose have bigger fish they are after and way more powerful than Ambessa or Mel. I think they wanted the info that Ambessa was holding and used Mel.
I cried so much watching this series, but not during the final episode. Yeah, now i understand how it actually ends with that airship flying away.. but.. i still can't feel, that i can say goodbye to the characters. Season 2 was so quick, bang bang bang, i thought it needs 2 more episodes in that tempo, to show me more. I just want more, that's it. Not a new show, not a spinoff, more of Vi, Caitlyn, Victor, Jayce, Powder/Jinx, Ekko and Mel.. I feel like some part of me had gone with "Arcane".. and don't know how to fill it now.
Imma say it, the guy who necrit was referring to at the beginning is a Pr trained yapper. They will just gloss over the lore of the characters that they changed and hope that people forget, the ending was rushed and the finale was a massive let down for what could and should have been something much more amazing and enjoyable. In the end It just left me dissatisfied and makes me question how much time they had to create season 2 compared to season 1
7:20 just wanna point out, during the end where viktor was revealed to be the one that gave the gemstone to Jayce, with different timelines having different runes. In the universe Ekko arrived at, one possible explanation why Jayce and hextech isn't available is probably because when Powder and the gang rob the place and Vi got killed, it would set a different precedent in the council meeting where they decide Jayce's faith. Having someone die would mean that Viktor might not have seen any potential on such a dangerous experiment. Meaning when Jayce was depresso and was about to jump, Viktor didn't arrive and Jayce.. well you know.. which explains why in that universe Hextech is available and no Jayce
One of the things i wished we could have seen in the final episodes was some more of sevika and how she unites zaun to join piltover in the battle and also how she desided to be part of the counsil or at least one last talk with jinx befor the battle. I think they did a bit dirty to her after the prision escape. Idk if some day theyll continue this characters stroys in the future.
Totally agree, if you actually think about it from the story perspective, not much is happening. Ekko is trying to get back and experiences what could have been. But man that episode hit a new peak, it is THE best episode I have seen from any show ever.
The monster you created is so relevant the convergence universe when it says "Why don't you love who I am? What we could have been" ekko is so unable to love jinx for who she was and could only imagine what she could have been until they send him to the other jinx
But why did they have to completely disregard and abandon the core plot of Piltover Zaun politics for an end of the world threat that came out of nowhere? I felt like the interpersonal stuff and the whole Piltover/Zaun concepts/aesthetics were the core of this show, but they just threw it away to have a meaningless fantasy slop battle in the end. Why didn't they trust the best elements of their show?
I personally am not a fan of the fantasy battle parts either but at the same time with all the great stuff we got from this show, its not worth getting too critical over. I pictured the finale differently, but it was far from as bad as the awful GoT s8. We still got great moments between characters during and around the big battle even if some things did not make sense. We also shouldn't forget, its all subjective and for seemingly most people, they loved this ending. I can still appreciate the show for what it was to me personally, a 10/10 overall with a 7/10 finale. Worth rewatching in the future when i will probably be way more accepting of the finale because im less emotionally invested by that time
Based. They said they wanted to respectfully tell the origin story of these characters. Instead, what they really do is strongarm them to fit a narrative that is too big for and incongruent with their characters. All those mounting tensions between the cities that are brewing in Season 1 culminate in one small-scale Piltovan operation into Zaun that is quickly resolved in Season 2. Then its suddenly a big Marvel showdown where all the characters make their cool entrances each in turn to save another character. The main character's heroic sacrifice is a fakeout and the solution to stopping the villain is talking him out of it. The Noxian legion simply vanishes when their leader has been killed. The two cities are reconciled and the defacto leader of the undercity joins the Piltovan council despite having been a champion for Zaunite independence. Perhaps I simply got the wrong impression from Season 1 when it came to what this show is about, but Season 2 blows things out of proportion for no explicable reason. I'm not saying Season 2 was bad, but it was difficult to appreciate as a continuation from Season 1. I'd give it a 7/10 for its fantastic visuals.
i wouldn't say that they abandonded it fully. S2 act 1 still follows these dynamic but they pretty much lost it after the end of act 2, they should've known to do the job properly then rushing to cover other areas of runeterra.
This. the ENTIRETY of season 1 as well as S2 Act 1 and a good portion of Act 2 were completely and entirely focused on Piltover v. Zaun being the main conflict of the series told through the context of Jinx and Vi’s relationship. It really got thrown to the side after the Warwick stuff which while I didn’t hate on its own, was definitely the turning point for sidelining the original story. If Season 2 had one more act they could have wrapped up everything they did as well as Piltover v Zaun is a much more satisfying manner. I think making Act 3 focus on Jinx channeling the grief of Isha’s death, as well as Ekko and his experience in the AU into revolutionary energy to become the symbol of Zaunite independence that Isha viewed her as would give her as well as Isha’s story a much better conclusion, as well as also having it make more sense for the cities to work together to fight victor & noxus in the hypothetical act 4 if there was a whole revolution arc where Zaun gains independence and Piltover actually does some work to restore their relationships. im no writer but thats my two cents on how they couldve more succinctly wrapped up these stories if they had more time.
I had a long conversation with a friend who doesn't know anything about league or its lore and from his perspective (and mine too i guess) ambessa was a big letdown. she really didn't live up to the level that silco did as a villain. The story of Arcane could have been very similar without her and Noxus interfering. There were other ways for Caitlin to go down the path she did and Ambessa getting a legendary skin on release, a music video, a book and so much hype really felt strange. they didn't need to have noxus as this common enemy for piltover and zaun to fight against together because they already had Viktor for that. A lot of the bloat from the season came from ambessa and removing her would have given them more time to flesh out other character's arcs and making the feeling that the story was a little rush a bit less. I get that she was a setup for another series set in Noxus but from the perspective of my friend who doesn't know the lore at all the story would have been much better if it really was about the twin cities and contained to them. The infrastructure for oppressing zaun existed long before the noxians arrived and all things considered I really think ambessa was one of the weaker parts of the story. (would love to hear other people's opinions though)
Two seasons were simply not enough to fully flesh out the story. Lots of gaps in the Ambessa plot. Unless i've missed something Ambessa was not acting in the interest of Noxus, but instead was trying to aquire Hextech to use against them. Did they ever even reveal what it was Ambessa stole that is essential to the whole black rose plot even existing? I can only assume it is the Kaenic Rookern, as right after the "What you've stolen, is more precious than any gold" line the scene focuses on Rictus touching the Rookern on his Axe. Ambessa is portrayed as a master manipulator and yet she led the Black Rose directly to Mel when the entire reason she sent her to Piltover in the first place was to hide her from them. She then decides to ally with Viktor after seeing how ridiculously powerful he has become, as though she would be able to control him. Even if the Rookern protected her she would have no influence at all over his actions. The last act undid a lot of her charachter development. I love how the Silco power vacuum was handled with Chem-Barons fighting for control, they could have easily done an entire second and even third season based around this with more Piltover and Zaun conflict. Include Blitzcrank's creation by Viktor, Zak's creation by one of the Chem-Barons, Dr Mundo, Urgot? It's really criminal to leave Camille out of the show in my opinion, no pun intended. The only real Piltover and Zaun development besides the obvious (Warwick) was a couple of Janna cameos and one second of Oriana after countless Singed pocketwatch scenes. I don't blame the writers / creators, i'm sure given the budget for more episodes / seasons they would have explored a lot of these themes. The only thing I slightly disagree with you is the Noxus setup, as there is such a massive non-league viewership, it probably helps having some familiarity for them in a new show and will help with audience retention. Given the massive success of the show I do understand your point that it's not really necessary and actually agree but I can understand why they chose to go that route as they wouldn't know that at the time of writing the script.
@@banditbrahI do understand they can link the two regions by having a better forefront role of ambessa, but the way ambessa act 3 is not good. They are looking for success in the future disregarsing the present. Ambessa in act 3 is just plain confusing, she just acts so out of character and have a very poor job at making clear character motivations. For example why is she having an 'hoborable duel' vs cait and ambessa while her soldiers stands and do nothinng even when she loses, she is not about honor never was and also fails to represent Noxus principles at act 3. And Im completely confused on her character motivations. Act 3 had too many 'mystery boxes' to solve and they never solved or dropped almost all. Im a lore enthusiast and i disnt understand a lot of stuff when the show ended. Confusing is not the feling you want to convey at a series finale.
7:07 Counter theory: In the blast both Vi and Jayce were caught. Jayce never shares the dream of hextech with Viktor. But the only trouble I have with this episode is that at the end Alt Powder has gemstones as a keepsake. HOW COME THEY WERE NOT CONFISCATED? IT SEEMED LIKE THEY WERE ABOUT TO BE ARRESTED AT THE SCENE!
If your theory is right and Jayce also died in the explosion: then the police have no reason to believe the Zaun kids are thieves. Jayce had been making trips to the undercity; so as far as the police know these kids were invited to the lab. The gems may not have been confiscated in this case because the police literally would not know that they were the cause of the explosion: meaning they'd be returned to Powder. In the standard cannon, the police give chase because the kids run, and Jayce later confirms to the police that they are thieves. No run + no Jayce = no thieves (from the police perspective)
I liked the theory that because a child was directly killed in the explosion, Viktor did not end up getting as curious into hextech, thus not preventing Jayce from jumping out the hole in the building
Something that no one is talking about is the fact that in my view, Ambessa managed to do what she wanted, she turned Mel into a wolf and the new leader of her family which makes her die with a smile and in peace because she knows that Mell is now powerful enough to keep herself safe, I always saw them as the relationship between the wolf and the lamb with MEL being the lamb and Ambessa the wolf but after the fight between them the lamb turned into the wolf which was the goal of Ambessa since always educating her daughter to be . And also the fact that Siged achieved everything he wanted, winning death for his daughter, making her immortal. For me, this series was about "love" and "family", if you think about it, a mother managed to educate her daughter and protect her from evil that she didn't even imagine existed, and a father managed to save his daughter from imminent death. Ambessa as mother and Siged as a father were the winners at the end of this series and Hemmendinger as a teacher who loves his students also sacrificed knowing that Echo was the disciple he always sought to find which gave meaning to his life and joy.
As a 10 years League of Legends players i dont really mind they have changed the lore in Arcane, because to me the entire roaster doesnt make any sense in the first place. So i took it as it is, a story with cool champs from my game.
True and based. I don’t get how people are so “attached” to league’s lore. It’s just some random character having random stories they pulled out of their ass years ago. Now finally with Arcane its getting depth.
@@Blubking1it's been around for a long time so I get the attachment, but it's a mess.. like how are you gonna justify someone like Shaco existing as he is now? It needs to be cleaned up and there needs to be a unified narrative direction.
@@Blubking1 bad take, a character for example viktor had way cooler lore before Arcane, was it a mess and Riot had no idea how to pull it off yes BUT he was an anti-hero who wanted to help people by erasing what he thought was plaguing humanity (emotion and weakness) and replacing it with machine, he WAS the only transhumanist he had a unique role and character, he created blitzcrank to help the people of Zaun, he had connections to the world with his character like creating Blitzcrank, being funded by Renata for his research. Now look at Viktor he got fleshed out in Arcane just to turn into a generic Marvel villain Ultron copy with the same copy paste idea of a world view as Madara from Naruto be fr. Imagine being invested in a character's lore, maining them for 10+ years because you LOVED that lore and attached yourself to that character just for it to get "ruined" how can you NOT get that? Not to mention this rewrite creates holes in the world itself because now Blitzcrank doesn't exist, now chunks of the story and timeline completely missing, interactions, story points and motivations for other champions get erased.
I still think Viktor's story was incredibly weirdly rushed. One episode he's all "I will not sacrifice his humanity for your cause", but after Jayce chest-blasts him, he's suddenly all fine with dooming the entire world? hello? what? the same Viktor from season 1 who would rather let himself die than let the hexcore continue to exist, potentially harming others? THAT Viktor? It is also never explained to us in any meaningfull way what the footsteps in episode 1 were, or why it was Sky that almost urged Viktor on to infect others with the Arcane. The theories that said that Viktor was semi-mind controlled by the hexcore/arcane, and that Sky was the semi-physical manifestation of that control, were amazing! they explained why Viktor was weirdly un-emotional, what the footsteps were, explained the visual and audio hallucinations, and explained why this man who was TERRIFIED of the hexcore suddenly wanted to spread its power. But, nope. he's just an all-powerfull bad guy now bc, uhm, "we must be one mind, choice is false". Truly have no idea how they ended up there, but alright (also, s1 "there is ALWAYS a choice" Viktor would stab s2 Viktor in the face)
No, it is not the same viktor from season 1, clearly. After he was fused with the hexcore he obviously changed, got corrupted by it, more and more as time went on. Skye probably was the reason why the hexcore didnt immediately turn Viktor in a complete maniac, she was still there keeping himself company, absorbed into the hexcore. When Jayce shot him, something changed, he realized that reaching his goal, "helping" the people, would not be possible in a peaceful way, because people like Jayce would try to stop him. Which is where he started considering accepting Singed's offer of combining him and warwick, an extremer method of reaching the glorious evolution him/the hexcore wanted to achieve. In fact, he was still trying to convince to work together with Jayce instead of fully committing to Singed's idea, thats why he send one of the puppets to talk to him. Once he realized Jayce wouldnt, he fully commited. He accepted sactificing the only thing keeping his humanity and peace, Skye, who knew it was wrong... before she disappears she basically tells Viktor that this is wrong. Once she is gone, he completely obsesses over doing everything possible to reach his goal of the glorious evolution, by any means required. My only personal issue with this is that why future Viktor didn't give Jayce better instructions on how to stop Viktor in that world, he must have known Jayce only shooting him once wouldnt be enough to stop him. But maybe its a whole thing of not being able to interfere too much or causing an even worse result etc. EDIT: Never mind on my personal issue... future viktor knew, the only way to really stop it, was Jayce and Viktor having the conversation like they ended up having.
S2 is paced faster because we no longer have to work through each characters backstory and motivations now. Viktor basically died twice already. Once to jinx and then to jayce. Which most definitely would fuck him up being killed by his partner, who put him in the hexcore in the first place. For all intents and purposes I don't see why people think Viktor was malicious or being controlled prior to E7. Did we forget about his talk with singed? and his defense that Vander was a man and not an experiment. Viktor wanted to stop conflict but at this point everyone submitted willingly to be cured, both physically and most likely removed of their negative emotions. Then boom, jayce "betrays" him, Vander kills Rictor and a small war breaks out in his peaceful commune. Isha, a kid, fucking dies as a result of the whole thing. From S1 to S2, "You were right doctor, I understand now." If anything it is singed that altered Viktors perspective on himself and his goals so damn much from the very beginning. The path to hell is laid with good intentions
I mean dude was killed by the person he respected the most... Gonna change anyone's mind about their approach to their problems. His speech at end of epi 3 kinda highlights his motivation to start the glorious revolution.. and singed kept him alive to pursue those goals.
@@snorr656 i do understand how you take it and thats also 100% valid and i wish i could interpret it the same, but i believe the show was still way too open-for-intepretation with very important aspects of Viktor's arc - in a way that, sorry, season 1 would never be. Yes, after waking up from the Goop^tm he clearly is different. it is as if he is sleepwalking. he walks to the undercity in almost a trance, and sees footsteps leading him to the place of his latter commune. Here, he 'heals' Huck, and we see him hallucinating Sky as she smiles down on him proudly. Except.. Why would Sky be proud of Viktor for spreading the Hexcore/Arcane, when it is the thing that killed her? And why would Viktor, were he fully himself here (as Jayce in e9 does impy), want to spread the power of the thing he was previously so terrified of to the extent that he would rather let himself die than use it again? And what were those footsteps? Was the hexcore making him hallucinate Sky and those footsteps after all? Except... if that were the case, again, why does e9 imply it was all his own doing? and why is it never confirmed in canon he was influenced/lead on by the hexcore - which is such an important aspect of his arc were it the case, because a) doing everything out of his own will, and b) being influenced to do stuff, both imply SUCH different things about everything he has done. Back to: if he were still himself here (conviction wise), there is nothing that can make me believe that "there is always a choice", "we're scientists, not soldiers!", "in the pursuit of great, we failed to do good", and more lines along these, would suddenly turn all radical 'one mind one people is the solution' with only 'jayce tried to kill me' as his reasoning. And with the future Viktor thing: i do agree that might be the case. in e9 (beginning) we see Viktor smile down at Jayce, while in e6 (end) he looks scared, bc Jayce is abt to shoot him. My guess is that the smiling-vision is the vision that Mage Viktor [which i still despise as a plot, but that aside] showed Jayce, aka that was what happened in mage viktor's universe, and it clearly didnt work out, so he told Jayce to just go for the kill - except, we again never get told that. There are so many ways to interpret the scenes, and as nothing is made canon in the show about it, it will always, forever be a fan theory. these things are of such importance a show NEEDS to tell us, not leave it completely open. in s1, it was always clear why a character did something, or got to a new point in their arc. in season 2 its guess work most of the time.
Imma say it, the guy who necrit was referring to at the beginning is a Pr trained yapper. They will just gloss over the lore of the characters that they changed and hope that people forget, the ending was rushed and the finale was a massive let down for what could and should have been something much more amazing and enjoyable. In the end It just left me dissatisfied and makes me question how much time they had to create season 2 compared to season 1
The new Viktor design is kinda lovecraftic, and as a bloodborne AND Lovecraft mythos enjoyer, i loyed ut wery much. Also it looks like an old god skin.
I love cosmic horror stuff too. That's also why it kinda bummed me that victor came back to his humanity. It makes no sense since he was supposed to have an ascended consciousness, incomprehensible by mortals
More episodes rather than more seasons would've already solved a lot I think. Not really a necessary evil that way. They didn't need more payoffs, just develop towards the existing payoffs a bit more. That does matter a lot. No matter how satisfying the payoff, it's not quite AS good if you don't build it up. Still, the show remains great!
“Welp” is about the reaction I had too. RIP Warwick Edit- It doesn't matter if he's dead or not, he deserved better. The Warwick fans are probably dead tho lol
Arcane and the future shows are the actual true lore of Runeterra. That's where they spent/spend the most energy and ressources on the writing so it makes sense that it takes precedence over everything else, because that's where the top quality writing is.
@@Attya-y2y I know which still means they are retconning the lore again :D im fine with it really.. the only thing I did not like is how Warwick look :D
Every time you said "it suffers from a slower pace" I was like nooo! We needed the slower pace at times for actual character development. That's why the finale *didn't* land for me it was too rushed.
Neah the pacing wasnt a necessary evil and another season would've been perfect but at least 3 more eps were needed instead of just rushing character arcs to where the plot needs them. Slowing down a bit would've been much better even if Arcane is not isolated, for example Ciat's dictator arc was so heavely underutilised its like it didnt even happened and a few other things like things at minimum 3 eps more were needed.
More on Piltover a fraud region. They varely survive chemtech let alone a well train war bandits. All that technology and no peace treaty or functional defense military
I mean think about it, Piltover alone has guns, magical artillery, airships, and toxic gas, Zaun brings more people, body augments, and the hoverboards of the firelights to the table, on top of all that their position was pretty defendable.
@@Psub950 True, with both of the full forces of Zaun and Piltover combined, they could handle Medarda faction soldiers...though as we saw, Noxians are cunning by principle. Ambessa not only used Singed and Viktor's augments on her soldiers but also exploited the weaknesses within Piltover (causing their own to betray them amid battle). I like that even a small scale war like this wasn't done in a brain-dead manner. Characters in Runeterra/Arcane actually are smart and use every resources they can to prevail - and some even don't! like in real life, many people just left the city xd
I legitemately had the best moment of my life after finishing the show with my friend, hugging and crying, petting her cat... This hits really hard as an Ekko enjoyer
My main question is why Jayce decided to blow up Viktor rather than going to him and showing him the future, he knew fully well future Viktor was the man with the crystals all along, so why not, just go to Viktor and show him this so he can realize? Like, this was while Viktor still had reasonable humanity in him, blowing him up is what trigger Viktor to go full machine
I’ve been looking for this comment, thank you. This is what I fail to understand as well. They risked all this pointless fighting with jayce knowing full well what happened, it just didn’t make sense.
This is why I will continue to give Jayce crap and not forgive him for shooting Viktor. He probably felt he had to in his messed up mental state but just fucking talking to him would have helped.
@collecter343 The thing is, Jayce already knew Viktor was the mage and the whole time travelling stuff, he already had cleared his mind well enough to know he must show Viktor, it just makes it worse that he decided to blow him up instead of Singed being the one to modify him
My guess is that he either believed or knew that things would escalate to the point of the parallel timeline, and that shooting Victor was simply part of a script he had to follow. Not saying it's good, or even the point, just my first thought.
@@tediousgeorge7159 I mean, kinda of makes sense, but Jayce's character was always about following his own choice and doing things not by the book but by his own way. If Viktor told him "To stop me you must shoot me" (Which didn't seem like it was the case) Jayce would've probably hesitate to do so knowing full well the context of everything. In my opinion, things could've gone a different route that would still lead to Viktor becoming the machine herald without Jayce shooting him in the chest (Aka Ambessa and Singed and partially Isha sacrifice)
Another note to take about jinx is when she looks into vandars eyes at the end, the flashbacks are only from vandars perspective as every scene eitehr jinx and vi are asleep or just not there. Meaning this was vandars life flashing before the viewers eyes, not jinxs. This is another cinimatic tactic use to show someones life dissapearing. This confirms that this last final scene was about vandar going away not jinx. Another piece of evidence that jinx is still alive and will never leave vi
After Isha's sacrifice they already show us very clearly that the last parts of Vander left in Warwick are burned away. How I interpreted that footage of Vander putting the sisters to bed was that it serves to illustrate the family unit (Vander, Vi and Powder) and with Vander already gone and now the sisters parting, Vander blows out the candle to signify the final ending of the family ...
They really needed like two more episodes to fully explore and setup A3 for it to feel right. Watching Mel go from not knowing she has powers to being able to use it to ricochet a bullet into a headshot off screen. Ekko convincing Jinx to actually be a hero also happens off screen. What exactly happened to Heimer before Ekko got there? I would assume he would've seen that world as a world where he supported Jayce even if that wasn't exactly the truth. Also, it really doesn't make sense to me that Ambessa sees what Viktor can do and doesn't see it as a threat if left to grow. Maybe it could've made sense if they even had a small scene where it was brought up and since they didn't it just makes her look stupid and full of her self. Also Viktor going full hivemind felt a bit too extreme of a leap, I can't imagine someone as smart as him can't see what that would bring in the end without having to go full timeloop/multiverse. Maybe if instead of Jayce just blasting him when he first came back he first tried talking to him and they got into an argument first they could've made it seem like a gradual decent into "I'll do it myself" syndrome, Instead of going from wanting to destroy the hexcore to enslave all of mankind in a hive mind in less then 10 minutes of Viktor scenes.
i need someone to mention the jinx haircut 😭😭 she first just chopped it, but after she shows up at the battle, you can see she cut her hair AGAIN and it looks like Vi's haircut
Do you have insight into whether there will be future Ekko media? He was the absolute GOAT in Season 2, elevated above and beyond and I think he's one of the characters that would truly be worth seeing in further media, what with having an actual positive hero arc.
The Firelights were my favorite "gang" in the entire show. Their music scenes, the way they enter a fight, their style, their swagger, everything is fucking S tier.
Look imma heavily disagree with your intro already. The pace was ATROCIOUS. Especially the last 2 acts were the most rushed episodes I have ever seen from any series I‘ve watched. (Maybe GOTS7/8 were that rushed aswell, but they obviously had a lot more problems.) It felt like a 'we gotta rush through this all to finish it now' and therefore lost a lot of its soul it had in S1. I‘m not saying all of the soul was lost, S2 had a lot of very emotional scenes(E7 was incredible), but it cannot compare to S1 at all. The series was beautiful, had very emotional scenes. I also heavily disagree with A LOT CL said. If you’re aware of the issues, then how do you not fix them beforehand? I get it, they worked over 10years on this story and wanted to finish it off to get to other shows, but season 2 suffered heavily. It feels like a completely different show than Season 1. Especially the last act.
I just cannot be mad or sad or whatever about the stuff we didnt get when every single second of this 12 hour long show is made with so much care, thought and passion. There really just isn't a single wasted moment in this show, every frame is a painting you could hang on your wall, every arc has atleast one of those moments that blows up the internet, you have all those ambitious original music pieces switching with a beautiful background instrumental score, even small characters are so respectfully handled in the few scenes that they get and the sheer emotional impact this story has is on the very apex of tv shows. This IS a 10/10 for me.
Imma say it, the guy who necrit was referring to at the beginning is a Pr trained yapper. They will just gloss over the lore of the characters that they changed and hope that people forget, the ending was rushed and the finale was a massive let down for what could and should have been something much more amazing and enjoyable. In the end It just left me dissatisfied and makes me question how much time they had to create season 2 compared to season 1
What I notice no one is talking about is how Mel+Caitlyn vs Ambessa is literally referencing ADC being peeled by their Support while they fight a Fed Top Laner lmao
lol
Except it's unrealistic, ambessa would've destroyed them in a second, and then both and cait and mel would've insulted their junglers, and surrendered instantly
@@crysosisback7115 Caitlyn cheated and took one of Ambessa's core items tho, that explains it, or maybe it can be interpreted as an exhaust lmao
Lethality Caitlyn vs Ambessa with Kaenic Rookern useless buy😂
@@Goldsthar Nah the real thing is mel's going to even more broken than ambessa, that's all
all for the god of sales
Singed is the biggest winner of Arcane.
He got what he wanted without any major costs of consequences for him. He got his happy ending.
In fairness he had absolutely nothing to lose. That’s why he was so ruthless
Question is, is Orianna still the daughter he was seeking?
He was the first character designed for LoL right? Makes sense they'd make him be at the heart of everything- although crazy he won the most and also affected the world the most but had the least screen time out of all the main characters, less than even Isha! But they made every second he was on screen count
Singed at home with his daughter while Vi & Jinx have to live a life apart 😢
No, I saw a tweet mentioning the white flower on his desk representing the loss of someone, Orianna is not what he really wanted, his daughter is dead. @@blueblue6111
I don't think Sky was extracted to make Orianna. In fact, I don't think Sky was there at all. My interpretation is that "Astral Sky" has always been a representation of Viktor's humanity, similar to how Jiminy Cricket is a representation of Pinocchio's morality. To Viktor, Sky represents the potential for love and hope, and at the same time grief and guilt for her passing. When Viktor first fully converts a follower, Astral Sky is visibly displeased; this is because Viktor feels guilt for knowingly taking away the humanity and individuality of a living person.
When Viktor commits to turning all of his followers into full automatons is when Astral Sky makes her exit. He claims he will miss their talks, but Astral Sky says "No, you won't." To rob the humanity of so many people, Viktor has to fully abandon his own humanity (or at least attempt to). Missing something requires a level of yearning, of love, of affection. By giving up his humanity, he will not be able to miss anything.
Would love to hear your thoughts on my take, @necrit !
Damn this is good
whats the reason necrit said Singed was using Sky as catalyst?
@@maximestormflower7171 yeah i also got confused there, where is it implied sky's been used for orianna?
Astral Sky in my opinion was actually real and not just part of Viktor’s Imagination. The main reason is her glasses. if she was part of Viktor’s imagination then she would have probably still had those glasses but because hextech supposedly cures all illnesses her nearsightedness was cured and she didnt need them
wait wasnt sky smiling to him when he converted his first follower? she looked very glad so i was always confused if sky was like a manipulative hallucination from the hexcore to get viktor to convert more and more ppl
8:15 Jayce's fall to the undercity also mirror's Viktor's story, with his broken leg, the salamanders, and having to climb up to Piltover alone
Good comment
Omgggg
welcome back Shakespeare
holyyy you're rightt
What really puzzles me is the anomaly hammer that Jayce brought back with him on the original timeline, which came from the timeline where Viktor won and was held by a dead Jayce. But here's the thing, the dead Jayce holding the hammer technically is not the owner of the hammer, since he got that on a diff timeline as well, which gives me the question: who is the real owner of the hammer??and where did it came from?? Since Jayce diamantled his own hammer to use it as a brace for his broken leg. If you think about it, the origin of the hammer will forever be from a dead Jayce that is not his own, in an infinite loop. The hammer is PARADOX. 🤔😵💫🤯 ALSO SWAIN CROW FETCH SOMETHING FROM IT IN THE END ☠️
Episode 7 was so beautiful I was just happy to see that there's is a world where jinx didn't go crazy and had a fulfilling life
That was gorgeous stuff
Unfortunately it was also a world without Vi :(
As someone who cared most about Heimerdinger, it was nice to see him again.
Dead internet comment ngl
The only episode that felt like arcane from season 2
20:28 The fight between Ambessa and Caitlyn is also a payoff to their previous sparring and Ambessa's "fourth principle" : she sacrificed her eye to get rid of Ambessa's talisman, thus achieving victory.
shit, true!
Meanwhile Ekko makes multiple sacrifices and comes out with less than everyone else
@@dizzyheadshis life's goal of the undersity be comming better now has a chance of comming true, since Piltover is allowing a zaunite onto the council. Sure it isn't paying off exactly right now, but the situation he wanted is alot closer to happening now than ever before.
when i saw the scene on my second watch....i picked up and all i could do was pause and give these writers their applause
Maddie's betrail also explains why the bomb failed. She was the one who gave the bomb to the fishboy.
u mean fish silco ?
Steb. Guys, his name is Steb.
Also when she threw that smoke bomb, she did not get hit
That took me a second watch to notice that.
@@theimmoralcookie there's a nail in the mechanism that Maddie used to seize it up so it wouldn't detonate.
Ekko was so impressive in terms of combat. He literally has 4 seconds to think about his next move. He fights again while processing his mistakes again and again until he succeeds.
Ekko was already an excellent fighter (he was the leader of the firelights in S1), so the Z drive only boosted him.
That's what I love in Ekko's time travel. He has only a few seconds to try again, and while he rewind everything saving everyone else, he has to deal with the damage he takes before he rewinds. It's not a deus ex machina as most time travel, instead, it's a new small oportunity that comes at a price.
well now think that you have infinite tries to make it ....
Makes sense since he was dodging bullets before
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Not if you can't reach it to retry and get stuck like he did once and had to force an unsafe rewind
That and if he gets a game over wherever he dies or gets converted, He can't retry from there
Ryze better got a damn good excuse for not showing up when a global threat appears.
He was too busy being reworked.
Or bard bruh
Depends on if this threat actually expanded to beyond Piltover/Zaun
If it was essentially a single day in which all of piltover/zaun is wiped out, and then the viktor in that universe sorta realized what he was doing wasn't good, Ryze wouldn't have had reason to go look at everything beind fucked up there, the threat to the greater world was already over
The way I undestood it, Maddie was always a traitor who was planted there by Ambessa to better manipulate Caitlyn
That’s what I figured too. Otherwise, she is laughably petty to the point it ruins the seriousness of the entire scene lmao.
Ambessa even hints at it.
Ambessa is a master manipulator and totally knew Maddie was perfect to be used and molded into a follower
Maddie was Just jealous about Caitlyn and Vi
Her betrayal never came out of nowhere for me, and it's 4 points in the story where Maddie is present that I felt something was off.
1. She was too happy about Cait becoming commander and the martial law was introduced. Coincidentally, she was the only enforcer who seemed happy about it. People said she may just be young and naive, but I never bought that. She was still an enforcer at the end of the day.
2. The bed scene with Cait. When Maddie was giving ''advice'' to Cait. I saw that as Maddie maybe could have used that in a way to gauge Caits loyalty to Ambessa for Ambessa. Why I thought that is because point 1.
3. In episode 4 when Cait and Maddie are at Caits mothers statue, in the ending of that scene Maddie looks away from Cait. People said they believed it could have been a breakup between them beforehand (offscreen) that made Maddie look away like that. But when i look at Maddies eyes in that scene, I see ''guilt'' or ''anger'', not sadness.
4. In episode 9, we can see that Maddie does flip with the bomb, not what she does exactly, but that she does something.
There may be more things that I missed. But these where times that made me suspect her.
Edit: Ambessa telling Vi in episode 6 about filling the void in Cait. That was Ambessa indirectly mentioning Maddie, so she was not talking about herself.
24:45 Dude, the ''warship'' is just Jinx's home/lab/hideout. We've seen it so many times over the length of the show, we just never realized it was/could be a balloon.
I seriously lost my mind when someone pointed this out to me! Like?? Damn she really did just pick up and move her entire bedroom / hideout into the fight lol
Yeah but she tuned it with paint and easter eggs, the whole city became a battlefield and they were just spraying graffiti meanwhile. The obvious missing scene of Ekko and Jinx ironing things out would make a difference
It's probably not a balloon but a fan for a ventilation system, she turned it into a balloon though.
That's literally my same thought
It's just a defunct ventilation shaft with the propeller blades that she repurposed as her hideout.
She converted it into a zeppelin by attaching a balloon on top.
fishboy's delivered explosive didn't fail, it was sabbotaged by Maddie, no?
Yes, she put a loose nail in the gears of the timer.
Heimerdinger in Season 1 was shown as an old guy who is rusty and can't accept innovations. But in the end he was right
He was right all along, he's a magical being after all
Imma say it, the guy who necrit was referring to at the beginning is a Pr trained yapper. They will just gloss over the lore of the characters that they changed and hope that people forget, the ending was rushed and the finale was a massive let down for what could and should have been something much more amazing and enjoyable. In the end It just left me dissatisfied and makes me question how much time they had to create season 2 compared to season 1
Was he? Because Mel's magic is fine. So magic itself is not bad, which is what he was saying. They never actually answered the magic question at all.
@@thewarriorreturns9179oh yeah, the writing in season 2 was trash. Arcane season 2 is my game of thrones season 8. So many massive plot holes, retcons, and making characters stupid for the sake of plot.
I'm pretty sure even Heimerdinger disagrees with you... not hating magic was literally Heimerdinger's character development arc
if he still feared magic he would have never been able to help ekko make the time machine
Jace and Viktor showed him that magic could be used for good, safely.
Wait, i had a different interpretation of episode 7 missing hextech, in my head when vi and the crew did the job in jayce's lab, the explosion killed vi, marcus was even shown to be shocked by the view, so simply hextech was never pursued in fear of it's danger.
That makes more sense then his explanation, but it would be very out of character for Piltoverans to care more about the life of a Zaunite than a whole-ass residential building in Piltover.
And it's extra weird because in the original story they DID initially stop Jayce from pursuing it because of the damage it caused, but eventually their greed took over. Why would any of that be different?
Yep. That's what I thought. Jayce was probably banished. Silco must have found Vander's letter much earlier too. Otherwise he would have already been working on Shimmer. Heimerdinger being there for 3 years will probably have helped with integrating the two sides as well. He'll have come in with a better understanding of how things actually were for the Undercity.
@@jogadorjnc Well, again this is only in my head, my explanation is that in "our" universe the explosion happenned but nobody died, so jayce could argue that it happenned because of an accidental misshandling of the stones or whatever, but the damage was only to inanimate objects;
On the other hand a child straight up died and was found in the arms of her little sister, so not only he was studying "Illegal" stuff, that stuff also caused a death, so it wouldn't sit right both with the council and at least personally, it woudln't sit right with jayce himself!
Plus if jayce never recieved the fragment, why did ekko find little fragments embed with the wall, why did Powder still have multiple hex stones?
@@cangaroojack Yea, it makes no sense, it's just a plot hole
They could have patched the hole out if they had more time, but they really needed the avengers to assemble in episode 9
@@jogadorjnc "Why would any of that be different?"
Because someone actually died...
Totally agree on this show benefiting from a third season, or at least a few more episodes. Act 3 moved at lightning pace in my eyes, especially towards the end.
Nah s3 would have been too much. This show was always fast paced so idk why that's a critique. The only thing that should have been added was the deleted scene with jinx and ekko
7:01 I don't think this is a universe where Viktor never gave the gem to Jayce and the Piltolver lab belonged to someone else. Remember that after the explosion in the original timeline, Jayce was put on trial for the potential dangers of his experiments but managed to get away and continue working on hextech. I think that in the alternate timeline Jayce’s trial resulted in a conviction because there a child got killed. This would explain why hextech never came to be, as it was definitively proven to be dangerous and everyone in the council, including Mel, rejected the idea.
We can it forget Viktor saved his mom in the original universe, not the alternate one. And his mom was the person who defended him when he got convinced.
@@88fransiskashe defended him from being sentenced. But he was forbidden to continue his research anyways. The difference is that neither Mel would give Jayce a second chance after a child's death nor Jayce himself would like to go on.
I saw it as this universe, after directly seeing a child killed by the hextech, Viktor did not end up stopping Jayce from jumping
I just assumed that jayce died in the explosion as well, and maybe that's why he didn't end up in the same universe as the others, that perhaps there was no jayce there for his mind to inhabit.
I may add that Viktor took a great part in getting hextec started. he couldn't work on something that killed someone he wanted to help that desperately
Well I won't stop saying one thing:
The trio of Ekko, Heimer and Powder are insanely ingenious. The came up with time travel in such a short span while Viktor needed multiple timelines to figure out what rune will stop the hextech corruption. They had such an amazing development as well - Powder realizing her full potential, Heimer giving it his all without holding back and even going as far as sacrificing himself to help his dear student and timeline and finally Ekko choosing to return which resulted in him saving the world. Such a cool detail was that this final battle is in a sense a throwback to his champion trailer "Seconds". Viktor needed all the time in world to fix his mistakes but Ekko? He needed just seconds
Edit: I want to say that I got it wrong about the acceleration rune. Viktor discovered that it was the right one and gave it to Jayce so they together could invert the corruption. Although I still believe that Viktor did not account for Ekko. Runes are discovered, not created right? So the first rune being the "acceleration" rune helps Ekko only indirectly. He still could've chosen to stay there and Viktor could not have affected it in any way
As an Ekko fan I was worried how they would handle the Z-Drive and that they wouldn't make it his own creation anymore. And while he did collaborate with the others, I like how they showed more than once that it was Ekko's ideas driving the project, and he was the one to figure out the key elements to making time travel work. I think they handled it pretty well
Its true that Ekko was the one that was pushing the project and the idea, but if you pay close attention you can see that Heimer was the one to really make the project and Ekko and Powder were more like assistant. Which also translate perfectly into the lore of Heimer being one of the smartest people alive in Runeterra. Honestly seeing this scene of Heimer being excited and going into invention and projects made me release how above he is of Viktor and jayce. He created a time machine in weeks. Goated character
Heim didn’t mind sacrificing himself because he knows he will revive in Bandle City.
They did use Jayce’s notes to do so though.
Duh, Viktor had to find a timeline where Ekko was able to make the z drive. The rest of timelines probably didn’t work.
6:53 In the alternate world, I thought the difference was that the explosion in Jayce's lab from the dropped gem killed Vi. The remaining kids got mild punishment due to being thieves (with the death of Vi causing the council to limit the harshness of that punishment), Jayce gets harshly punished for illegal experiments leading to a child's death, the disaster shines a light into the struggles of the under-city allowing peaceful resolution of the problems between piltover and zaun (explaining Silco's friendliness).
As for Vikor time travelling to hand out hexgems, I thought that he literally was trying every combination. He gave Jayce a gem in each reality, each with a different sigil, until one of them succeeded in saving the world.
Actually, Silco's friendliness comes from a different source. That job was what exposed Vander's kids to Silco's men, it's what starts Silco's movements against Vander. Without that job ending in the fight, Silco is left to still be biding his time, and thus, there's more time for Vander to reach out, or him to finally find the note in the mines.
Not to mention Jayce probably killed himself in that balcony given he would have been punished and his research destroyed.
7:00 I think you missed that at the end of the episode Powder had the prototype unstable gems… my interpretation is that it was an universe where Viktor did give Jayce one of the gems with a different rune, which butterflies into Silco getting the letter, Vi dying at the job, and Hextech and shimmer never existing
Or maybe Just got a worst punishment because someone died
Imma say it, the guy who necrit was referring to at the beginning is a Pr trained yapper. They will just gloss over the lore of the characters that they changed and hope that people forget, the ending was rushed and the finale was a massive let down for what could and should have been something much more amazing and enjoyable. In the end It just left me dissatisfied and makes me question how much time they had to create season 2 compared to season 1
@@thewarriorreturns9179 to the objective things you’re saying I agree, but your subjective conclusion, I am not that far.
1. I do believe in the passion behind the team and it is known that the project was almost shut down multiple times, but thanks to the co creators they kept it alive. That said, yes he is very PR trained in how he communicates.
2. Yes, the second season was rushed, but to me it seems like a result in the way they produced and wrote the show. The show is not perfect, but it is excellent.
How satisfying or not the show is, is extremely personal.
That said, I think people will remember this show as a milestone, an imperfect and rushed masterpiece
@@thewarriorreturns9179 you copy pasted the same comment to like at least 5 different comments that have nothing to do with your original statement quit hating and seeking for attention
@@cyga203 Haters gonna be hatin on everything no matter if it's good bad or just plain disgusting.People are like that
Fortiche! Reprise "Ma Meilleure Ennemie" when they reunite in the next series installment, *AND MY LIFE! IS YOURS!!*
thats not going to happen. They said they are finished telling the stories of these characters and want to explore other reigons and other characters/stories.
@@kitnal4143 they also said these characters might pop up again
@@PatriciaRodrigues-bt6wz and they also explained what I said. I believe that implies we will be seeing characters that interact with said new stories (such as mel, leblanc etc. for noxus).
@@kitnal4143 It's okay if that's what you *believe* but it's *your belief*, not a fact. In Necrit's stream when Christian was asked about timebomb he said they're "worth exploring moving forward" so it is possible
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my brother in Christ, SWAIN has Jinx in his sights, she's getting dragged into this one way or another.
I think being a fan of the games helped you out. As somebody who doesn't really know the lore I felt like this season was rushed all to hell, and I still don't understand half of what happened. Singed can summon Warwick using his blood, which he does, until he doesn't, and then he needs to hunt Warwick down because... he apparently needs to plug him into Viktor? So he needed Warwick *and* an alien technology nobody had ever seen before the whole time? Mel goes Super Saiyan and then she's just immediately great at... something... which she then immediately uses to fight people in a war. Heimerdinger vanished because of something, something something, we needed a dramatic thing to happen at the end of the episode. Sevika doesn't get any dialog and the undercity just gets dropped completely in the final act, but they still show up at a dramatically appropriate time to help fight some army because Jayce managed to apparently convinced the entire city in a single conversation that the city was about to be attacked by some world-ending alien-army? Ekko something-something a plot device so he can do the thing he does in the game but then just throws it like a bomb, I guess, and it somehow 'disrupts' Viktor I guess, so Jayce can be like "Hey you told me to tell you to blow yourself up, I guess." And remember that dramatic speech at the end where Jayce was like, "Hey Viktor, I'm retconning your entire character into a guy who was just using hextech to 'fix weaknesses' in people but actually the beautiful thing to do is not fix people because there's beauty in imperfection." That was never Viktor's thing but I guess it has to be his thing for the cute speech they wrote to work?
I don't know. I wasn't won over. The action was great but the characters got virtually no dialog, everybody just did what they had to do to shuffle the plot along, and then League was the Avengers Endgame all along, I guess.
This. Act 3 left me so disappointed and it all felt like they wanted to make it as marvel as possible. ep7 is literally multiverse with ekko being miles and powder being gwen while ep 8-9 they just went full avengers endgame conveniently ending the struggles between Piltover & Zaun with the greater enemy trope so now we must unite and beat the bad guys. None of the important ''good'' guys dies since that's only for the bad guys.
The writers can't be the same between S1 and S2 lol.
This is exactly how I felt. Season 1 broke the mold on what media based on a video game can be, and then season 2 stuffed itself right back into that box. The show became so focused on getting every game-character to their end state so that game fans can go "Omg that's the thing from the game". And lost the plot along the way. They kind of even destroyed Jinx's character they spent the entirety of season 1 building. At the end of the season she fully embraces villainy, commits the ultimate act of terrorism, kills her second father figure, all while Sting's "what could of been" plays in the background.
In season 2, Jinx is made de-facto symbol of the Lanes, which nobody in the narrative of S1 would ever accept, let alone sevika, and then she bumps into a random kid and all the trauma just goes away and she's good now. What!? I was very skeptical of season 2 when they obviously were cluing that they were going to bring Vander back to life as warwick, as I felt this decision would destroy the hours of perfectly crafted character development they gave to Vi and Jinx. And it did.
I feel like whoever was writing the dialogue was aware of these narrative holes too because even Vi herself states "I would never become an enforcer, they killed my parents" and then does so anyways without any narrative to make her change that decision other than getting drunk and presumably having an off-screen conversation with a side character. Then she states to jinx "Why would I ever believe Vander is still alive, you're just luring me into a trap." and then proceeds to follow her straight into the mines, when two episodes ago she was fully set on killing her sister and was hunting her down.
The show just glazes over hours of character development for the sake of pushing the story into a grandiose avengers style ending where they "save the multiverse". And as a side note, I'm really tired of "save the world/multiverse" plotlines. When the stakes get so high, especially that quickly, I find that as a viewer the stakes couldn't be lower, and I care less about the characters problems. Firstly, because when the stakes get that high, you know they can't fail and that nobody important is going to die. And secondly, there's absolutely no narrative that allows me as the audience to empathize with characters struggles because it all goes so fast and the audience loses context and time spent with its characters to fully understand and empathize with their grievances.
There's a reason most of the viewers thought S2 episode 7 was their favorite of the season. And it's not because of the time-line travel sub plot.
One scene that was short but very powerful was Cait and Jinx interacting in the prison. First time they had an one on one and the way Cait says "good deeds can't undo OUR crimes" was really so expressive for both of their arcs - condemning Jinx and herself for their actions but also letting go of the hatred and moving forward.
it was a good forgiveness arc, but I did not like that Cait echoed the common perception that redemption is not possible. Basically a barrier to true forgiveness in my eyes. How does one move on from crimes if not with reparations? With connection and understanding? Sequester and forget is antisocial. The hurt and spurned misbehaving child just wants to be loved and accepted, not punished. That is the core of every human that lashes out (not sociopaths who hurt for the enjoyment or sake of it). Anyway, when I heard Cait say her line there of "good deeds can't undo our crimes" I both sighed for her not being ready to grow and forgive but also perhaps Cait felt a bit unworthy of forgiveness herself, considering her awareness of the atrocities she had committed with the mantle of authority. A great scene, and perhaps showing why true forgiveness is so hard: not just because of what others do to us, but because of what we do to others that makes us feel unworthy of forgiveness, that shame.
@@catdad626 I interpreted it more as the good deeds dont UNMAKE the past, but its the best we can do. The past cannot be changed, but they can try to make things better - without erasing what was done in the first place. I think at this point Cait took responsibility for her actions but also was choosing to forgive herself AND Jinx, at least as much as she can at this point in time.
@@catdad626 well cait had to watch jinx ruthlessly bomb her mother to death. I dont think many people would be able to forgive that no matter what
If Palpatine could survive that, Jinx could too!
"Somehow... Jinx returned"
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At least her survival has an explanation if you notice the hints.
Palpatine was cloned i guess
Isha is alive too /hj. no body no proof. a future Ekko defo grabbed her from that moment in time and put her somewhere safe 😢
Viktor did give Jayce the rune in the other universe, but due to Vi's death his studies weren't funded by the COuncil (and Mel) and so hexgem weren`t produced. But the fragments of the crystal was in the scene as Ekko got a few of it and in the final scene Jinx has a bunch of if on her drawer.
Other criticism I haven't heard yet: personally I enjoyed S1 more than S2: more grounded, the interesting diplomacy, the class war, everything felt more "real" and the characters shined better because of it (Silco my beloved..). In S2 they went way further and wilder with the fantasy, with the whole viktor storyline and the warwick storyline, and there were so many stories that needed to converge that it all felt a bit forced... But sure, it was a spectacle...
I feel pretty much the same way. The series really excels at character writing, which makes the grounded stuff so enjoyable. Season 2 introduced so many new things (I had to explain what the Black Rose was to my non-LoL playing friend because he had no idea what was happening with the merchant/Ambessa scene), and it ended up feeling like great scenes stapled together instead of a cohesive experience. I think that's why S2E7 is my fave, because the show got to do what it does best again imo. Also, you're right. Silco is the GOAT
I fully agree, and also had the same experience trying to tell my non-playing LOL partner what the black rose was all about and trying to piece together what was happening to Viktor (hextech jesus wasn’t really explainable I think). We both loved S1 and also episode 7 of S2 was our favorite as well
I think part of the reason why some people enjoyed s2 more than the others is their former knowledge of the lore allowed to them to fill in the gaps and they were ready for much larger scale fantasy than those who only watched arcane. Which means we could get better results with one more season to bridge this gap, but then again, Riot is rich but they're not super rich and Fortiche has limited capacity, they wanted to expand their verse asap and this was the only way to do it, sacrificing clarity and details
@@envahanime6220 I don't think it needed a full season, just add another act to this one and make 12 episodes instead of 9. Then it probably wouldn't feel so rushed.
@@envahanime6220 I'm not quite sure I agree with the "Riot is rich but they're not super rich..." comment. Arcane S2 is the most expensive animated series ever, with a total standing budget of $250 million. The show got hindered with too many plot points to cover in a nine episode series, and desperately could have used a final act to even out the pacing and the storytelling. Too much set up, very convoluted and messy payoff considering the time and money spent.
ep7 is a 10/10 for me just amazing
only problem with this season for me is the phasing from uniting and creating zaun to fighting victor and noxus
maybe if they made the hexcore more of a threat instead of showing the firelights tree corrupting
instead they could have showed it corrupting people and more of the area like it did in the ep7 with jayce
all and all top tier show (would get alzheimers just to watch it again)
the show was amazing, but really could use one or two more episodes to flesh out some details. Cait and Ambessa "falling out" was a bit too rushed considering how eager she was for revenge, Ekko and Jinx convincing Zaunites to join them could use a bit of screentime after they refused to help Jayce, etc. ep 7 was perfect tho
@@mformotivation9152 Eh, i think the betrayal of cait makes perfect sense. Throughout all of act 3 she outright fights or disagrees with ambessa and seems pretty reluctant to follow her
@@funnyspoon5120 yeah but to me that was pretty jarring because she had no qualms with gassing all of zaun just to find jinx
@@funnyspoon5120 it made sense sure, but a bit more perspective would be nice. Cait seemed unhappy with Ambessa, but never had any outrage about their disagreements like she had with Vi.
Ambessa even trained her and called her kin, which based on her paranoia proves they spent a lot of time with each other. I just wish we saw more of their interactions.
@@clearlynotchloeYou’re so slow lol
The only real miss from the show imo was how they handled Warwick's design by the end.
Him being half human and wolf made sense and was really executed in act 2, and in act 3 they had the perfect setup to make him go full wolf, with the scene of Isha blowing up everything and "killing" ww (which would tie up with the whole deal of death being the ultimate catalyst for is final form), and especially with the scene of Vander's burning memories. Keeping him half human to the end honestly served 0 purpose and making him go full wolf would not only serve better to convey the idea that Vander is gone but also pay better respect to the character's history.
All this sucks even more after they revealed Arcane WW skin for league, which could be served for his design on the show perfectly. The justifications they gave about keeping him half human all the way was BS honestly.
Perhaps with viktor gone, vander's beast transformation can finally accelerate, making him fully a wolf. Albeit I don't understand why they didn't match the league skin visuals to the show visuals.
Whining because a REALLY great character doesnt look EXACTLY like some lame on game jpeg is a choice man, WarVander >>>>> whatever yall are crying about
This is such a none issue in my opinion
@@o-wolfyea no warvander sucked 😂
I did find his comment about WW human face rather hollow. They kept Vanders face on the wolfs body to convey to the viewer there is still humanity within him.
Which just reads as: "The average viewer is to stupid to get the message so we have to dumb it down visually for them to understand it."
This is never a good response. Especially since it falls flat when Viktor goes inside his mind where we see the fragments of Vanders memories & literaly human psyche.
16:30 Ekko : Jinx I've come to bargain.
HEY! I get that reference!
Ekko casually showing in the last act why he would’ve been a better protagonist than over half the rest of the cast.
I think another reason why Viktor was shocked by the Z Drive was this device is a symbol of choice. Viktor dismisses humanity/freewill/choice, thinking the glorious evolution is the only destiny. Yet the Z Drive was born from another universe which clearly means there are infinite amount of possibilities defined by choice. That's why he went: "That device can't be."
The show was so consistent in its' quality. It's hands down one of the best animated shows I've had the luck to witness.
The only drawback for me was the way viktor's story was shaped after he merged with the core. I loved the Season 1 Viktor, he was relatable and a character with a very moving story that set up the his broken psyke. However, I was already attached with the mechanical version of Viktor that used his ingenuity to pursue the glorious evolution. Viktor's tapping into the arcane to become quasi-celestial and pursuing the glorious evolution that way felt like some kind of cheat for the character, I feel it undermined the setup on his character in Season 1 and his drive to solve problems becoming a self made messiah for the desperate.
I saw the shift from inventor -> spiritual healer as a result of Viktor still wanting to do good, but no longer believing that his and Jayce's inventions are the right way. Inventions are taken and abused, but by tapping into the Arcane, Viktor finds himself able to do good directly, or so it'd seem to him.
its a big spectacle that is excellent in character writing, the story is a mess tho in s2. it could have been a masterpiece....
One thing about the Z-drive damaging Viktor that I thought was different than what Necrit pointed out, but I could also be wrong:
Instead of just blowing up and damaging Viktor, it actually seemed like it "Rewound" the part of Viktor that it came in contact with (The same way it rewinds Ekko) and since it hit him in the head, it gave him back some of his emotions, returning some part of Viktor to before the "process".
It doesn't mean much but if its what it's meant to be I thought it was a nice twist instead of it just being damage that shook Viktor free of his apathy or whatever.
I do like this perspective. Viktor does get very emotional as soon as the mast cracks.
Viktor's line is: "this device CANNOT be." My interpretation is omniscient Viktor can recognize that it is Hextech that he had no part in creating; it came from a world where he didn't invent it. This causes the mask to break because it proved to Viktor that "progress" could be made independently of him. His way is not the only way.
His 'perfect' form cracks and his old self returns. Very symbolic.
this this this, I feel like Ekko pushing the Zdrive past its limit is supposed to be extremely significant, not just in the way that it could have brought back the part of Viktor that had not had his humanity destroyed by Singed merging Viktor with Warwick, but it could even have a huge implication for this "from the future" version of Viktor that we see trying to influence Jayce.
In the same way that we see different Powders and Vanders in the other universes, I think the Viktor that went back in time to save Jayce was from a timeline where Viktor does not lose his humanity in the process of pursuing the Glorious Evolution (I feel like this is further confirmed by us now getting an "Arcane Savior" Viktor skin now, contrasting the base Viktor who has his body deformed while losing his humanity).
So this very significant moment of Ekko maxing out the Z-Drive and blasting Viktor with it could have been the moment (similar to Ekko and Jayce and Heimer) where this point in time is scattered across the multiverses, prompting a different version of Viktor to manipulate the timeline in such a way that Base-Viktor's humanity is restored and he is allowed to see the sheer desolation caused by his actions.
I thought that Viktors mind partially fused with the beast/warwick and after his body was gone, the beast returned to warwick (which explains why he's the only one moving after viktor being gone). That veil around him might be the beast being put in place by viktors powers to also protect him. It makes kinda sense that the z-drive would be able to damage the beast if the power of the arcane is able to control it.
Also, wasn't the limit like 10 seconds, something Heimerdinger might have teased in his song.
I'm prettg sure that Sky had nothing to do with Orianna.
Just like all of the humans, who were evolved, lost all humanity, Viktor in his final evolution lost his humanity, and Sky was part of the humanity inside Viktor, which was destroyed
I originly wasn't fan of Mel becoming a champion but after act 3 i was totaly sold
Imma say it, the guy who necrit was referring to at the beginning is a Pr trained yapper. They will just gloss over the lore of the characters that they changed and hope that people forget, the ending was rushed and the finale was a massive let down for what could and should have been something much more amazing and enjoyable. In the end It just left me dissatisfied and makes me question how much time they had to create season 2 compared to season 1
@@thewarriorreturns9179 are bots seriously infringing on discussions like this now? Or are you just someone with no life spamming this everywhere
@@donvitopatata even if it is a bot comment, i still kinda agree with it. The ending did feel a little bit rushed and i really felt unsatisfied, i cant pinpoint exactly what it was but i just remember feeling a little disappointed once the credits rolled. Yes it closed everything up but something felt like it was missing something for me.
@takedownmstr5300 in my opinion, it wasn't really a finale. Since more stories are coming up, we MIGHT see stories of the characters that haven't been finished yet. Like getting more details on Ambessa, Mel, Singed in noxus. Maybe we'll see Jinx again in a whole different region (maybe as a minor character) in the future. Even now we don't fully know what happened to Viktor and Jayce. We could get one in the future. We could have a story about yordles which would start up heimer's story again. I think it was left as an open ending on purpose. But yes, it was rushed.
Meh, Mel overall is an interesting character in the series but she's boring as hell as a concept for a champion; she's literally just Karma...
episode 7 is the best nothing else comes close imo. so beautiful
Best of the second season for sure.
You must be a Timebomb shipper lol
It's the worst episode of both seasons for me as a Jinx fan.
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Bruh, hating because Jinx fan is crazy💀
idk man, as somone that loves nostalgia i would say yes, but idk
7:30 when did viktor say that? he just said that in every timeline, jayce is the one who can change his mind, right?
Yeah viktor just sid that jayce is the only one who can stop him and shown that in every universe he gave jayce a hextech stone with a differrnt sigil each time so i think it was jayce lab but with this sigil the hexstone blow faster so vi didnt have the time to flew and the thing is the fact that it was the good sigil after all
for your detailled analysis: when jinx blows herself and warwick up at the end, when the explosion goes off you can see a pink energy line that always happens when jinx uses shimmer speed. You could guess that she escaped.
I suggest you watch the beginning of episode 9 again. Jinx uses the monkey bomb several times and each time it starts with purple lights. They also show at the very start the the device was created using Chemtech (green), Hextexh (blue) and Shimmer (purple!). (edit: changed purple flashes to purple lights because apparently it was confusing)
Imma say it, the guy who necrit was referring to at the beginning is a Pr trained yapper. They will just gloss over the lore of the characters that they changed and hope that people forget, the ending was rushed and the finale was a massive let down for what could and should have been something much more amazing and enjoyable. In the end It just left me dissatisfied and makes me question how much time they had to create season 2 compared to season 1
@@_MicZ_ the commenter didn't mean a purple flash. There is quite literally a thin purple line going out from the smoke to the right off screen
She scored a takedown and ran off with activated passive
@@valentinbezdan570 Did you watch the explosions I mentioned and paused ? I described it as purple flashes, but they are Shimmer lights like the ones that come from Jinx's eyes. Just watch it already, there's at least 1 of them where it's also a straight beam of purple ...
Episode 7 is the best to me, both seasons. It's the only one that's slow, takes it time and shows us both what could have been and what could be, and that's the theme of season 1 and season 2. The Ekko and Jinx moments are amazing, especially considering you have a French song there from one of if not the best French speaking songwriter (Stromae, who's pretty much retired btw), with amazing lyrics. And switching from those genuine moments of joy to Jayce's survival and vision of the future.
You could even go really far and say that the "what could have been" scenes are the shimmer that we, as viewers, get addicted to, because we only want to see this, and not the alternate reality of Jayce that make up the rest of the episode.
I loved that Jinx's airship during the final battle is her hideout with a baloon atttached
The only thing for pay-off I wouldve really liked is seeing the orianna sequence. Just 20-30 seconds of singed bringing the body to her and her awakening and them embracing with him saying her name and then its done
my god first thing I did after watching arcane open yt and look at Necrit for a Video every single morning, Finally it's here
Imma say it, the guy who necrit was referring to at the beginning is a Pr trained yapper. They will just gloss over the lore of the characters that they changed and hope that people forget, the ending was rushed and the finale was a massive let down for what could and should have been something much more amazing and enjoyable. In the end It just left me dissatisfied and makes me question how much time they had to create season 2 compared to season 1
Cant wait for the detailed version
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@@JonathanMartinez-zh5vh Real
In that scene where ekko tried to stop jinx from exploding herself, he tried to stop her multiple times and when he told her that “see if i can talk an old friend out of blowing US up”, she jumped to die and didn’t use the grenade because she didnt want to hurt him anymore.. she also had VI written on her face from tears
25 minutes?
Necrit, you're getting weak man
he's holding back for the whole series review
He's losing power like Viktor in episode 6
Mega sad face LOL I was like YES I can listen to something while I work... oh it's 25 minuets
It’s only the review not the hidden details video…
@@noahcoast oh that's right duh I was just too excited lmao
I didn't like the ending. The whole reasons everyone watched season 1 got rushed in season 2 for a save the world plot and everyone's individuality got a tiny rushed over spotlight. There was no post Isha dialogue. Also, romance in a jail cell instead of running after your emotionally destroyed sister? It needed so much more time to explore everyone's individual story. I'm very upset it all got rushed over because thats why everyone became invested.
yes this is so fucking true, it's called character-driven story vs plot-driven. In the last 2 episodes, the show completely switched from being about the decisions of characters and their emotions to just trying to justify a big epic battle scene. It feels like they just wanted a bombastic ending and wrote all the character's actions around that.
This, finale just felt like some goofy rushed marvel endgame scenario where the conflict between Piltover & Zaun gets quickly solved because the power of friendship will defeat the greater threat. To top it off we get the classy fakeout death scene with Jinx.
@@rek_sai_only1430 Literally everyone has a fake death scene besides maybe Vander and Isha. I was so done with Riot plucking the emotional cords only for us to know that no one was ever actually going to die.
@@rek_sai_only1430 I mean there was no other way to end that conflict other than war and we got a war so
well the lore of league is so huge you really cant spend more than 1 season per region , otherwise it will take life times to end , so i understand why the story was rushed also probably because the episodes are so damn expensive
14:53 by far this is the worst scene in arcane. There is a threat of a war, your Sister wants to k*ll herself and you just f*ck with cait. There is nothing more to it than fan service and it ruins the episodes dynamic. I dont say there shouldnt be cait and vi bonding scene there but It should ve been a fast hug or a kiss and then a rush for jinxs life
Minnie Driver voices Leblanc. It shows that Riot has already planned the next series in Noxus.
Leblanc can literally be anywhere tho, as she is in lore. She has thousands of clones scattered around Runeterra, and while her main region is Noxus, this is not concrete evidence in comparison when we would have a VA for Darius for example
I think it'll be half in Noxus and half in Ionia. I remember hearing that the series is going to be about Swain's rise to power.
Episode 7 seriously healed us lol
I mean, Heimer....
Imma say it, the guy who necrit was referring to at the beginning is a Pr trained yapper. They will just gloss over the lore of the characters that they changed and hope that people forget, the ending was rushed and the finale was a massive let down for what could and should have been something much more amazing and enjoyable. In the end It just left me dissatisfied and makes me question how much time they had to create season 2 compared to season 1
Did the opposte to me, it just made the ending so much more heartbreaking
Truly. My emotions and expectations were destroyed during Act2 that's Vander flashback was illegal. And Ep7 was beautiful I can live in the world and enjoy the soundtrack again 😂
Nah it's the worst one
I m so surprised to this day why no one talk about jinx character assasination in mainstream channels. Like they stripped her off of an ultimate serious decision which was a result of very tense emotional and painful changes she gone through, like nothing ever happened. I cant even describe the disappointment i felt once i sense no tension in her character when i first saw her in season 2 and realized the writers have dropped their balls to make jinx a serious villain despite clearly spending entire season setting her up for that role.
14:29 this had to have been the most awkward time for a sex scene. Not only is there a war going on, but jinx- who vi still cares about- basically said she was gonna self-delete. she was *just* brooding about it. it feels so shoehorned in. i feel like that scene should have happened in act 2 when the stakes were lower.
i m haunted and disgusted by this scene, it was some kind of porn i felt very bad, really no build up no développement awkward as you said, they ruined cait vi dynamic for teenage fantasm, pfff
When I was watching the scene i leterally said, do we have time for this long ass sex scene there are a tom of mysteries to solve, at the end of the showits just leaves u kinda ,"why?" Last act does a poor job at explainin whats happening, I am not even sure whats happening or why characters are making those decisions, the show was good but damn I really felt it pulled off too many mysteey boxes to then not solve them(or explain them so bad we cant see them on a first watch), It just looks like characters being out of character and plot holes, or just plain confusion
Havent watched through the whole video yet, but in case he doesnt touch on it, anyone else feel like Viktor being the hooded mage was a retcon considering the original hooded man had tattoos and his magic seemed completely different
The thing I've noticed is that this season implemented a LOT of fan theories into the show, Viktor being the mage from the future was one of them. Orianna being Singed's daughter was another.
That Viktor isn't Viktor, I know it's a good design and all, but it's not the Machine Herald, much less the glorious evolution that I was expecting, the Battlecast universe has already done an incredible job in setting up what would happen if Viktor achieved what he wanted. I mean, there isn't a day that I would think a mannequin army was cooler than mechanically transforming others into a self-replicating army of brute robots. This whole thing makes me think about what happened with Evelynn, Kayle, Akali, but in these they still maintained a similar design idea, Now a Swain, an Irelia and a Yorick, they changed so much that if you get the champion before the rework you don't even recognize it .
Vi didn't exchange a single word with ekko this whole season. She never even cared that he had disappeared.
That is what happens if you put two seasons worth of story into one.
I mean she was getting drunk and wasting away in the slums during that disappearance
@@bernhardstil6128 nah thats cope lets just admit the writer dropped the ball hard this season. Being rushed doesn't explain all the problems
@moe5020 also true. But I think a lot of these issues could be solved if they are just explained better. More episodes could help. But yeah, at times it felt like it was written by an entirely different team...
Still waiting for Warwick to become Warwick
Still waiting on Viktor to become Viktor the machine herald
WW will be replaced with Vander. The interview guy said so.
Gross gross gross gross gross gross gross gross
Cope
No way...
They have to move on from Arcane, to tell stories from other regions too, I believe this is to build up the road to Riot's MMORPG, so that people could integrate all the stories into the game and understand the setting of the world, most importantly spark people's interest to explore.
I think we needed more backstory on Ambessa vs The Black Rose. Cause why would Ambessa stall for Victor to take over the world? Her character was set up to be smarter than that. The show tells us her ambition blinds her but she has to know Victor could have easily taken over her consciousness as well
I think it's pure desperation. When Mel was talking to Elora about Kino's killer covering their tracks too well, she mentioned her mother was desperate, and that makes her all the more dangerous. I think the black rose honestly scared Ambessa and struck a level of fear in her to cause her to act drastically out of line. When BR takes over the guild merchant Amara and snatches Ambessa up, we see her start to get scared and lose control. I think that altercation caused her to slip even more into sloppy and desperate actions.
desperation is the door to oblivion child
ambessa teaching cait a lesson, but also projecting herself
she's backed into a corner. She's "desperate" -> the door to oblivion
@@ZenithZara97The black rose isnt afraid of Ambessa. The black rose have bigger fish they are after and way more powerful than Ambessa or Mel. I think they wanted the info that Ambessa was holding and used Mel.
@@watsupdocThe black rose needed Ambessa. Black rose needed more power like someone like Victor bcuz they fear someone else.
I cried so much watching this series, but not during the final episode. Yeah, now i understand how it actually ends with that airship flying away.. but.. i still can't feel, that i can say goodbye to the characters. Season 2 was so quick, bang bang bang, i thought it needs 2 more episodes in that tempo, to show me more. I just want more, that's it. Not a new show, not a spinoff, more of Vi, Caitlyn, Victor, Jayce, Powder/Jinx, Ekko and Mel.. I feel like some part of me had gone with "Arcane".. and don't know how to fill it now.
Imma say it, the guy who necrit was referring to at the beginning is a Pr trained yapper. They will just gloss over the lore of the characters that they changed and hope that people forget, the ending was rushed and the finale was a massive let down for what could and should have been something much more amazing and enjoyable. In the end It just left me dissatisfied and makes me question how much time they had to create season 2 compared to season 1
That's the mark of an excellent story, feeling like you've lost something that you'll never get back.
watch Season 1 and 2 again 😅
@@maramackenzie-mann rewatching is a kinda good idea. Especially in few years
@@callmemrdee ahaha, yeah, that's what we all will do..
7:20 just wanna point out, during the end where viktor was revealed to be the one that gave the gemstone to Jayce, with different timelines having different runes. In the universe Ekko arrived at, one possible explanation why Jayce and hextech isn't available is probably because when Powder and the gang rob the place and Vi got killed, it would set a different precedent in the council meeting where they decide Jayce's faith. Having someone die would mean that Viktor might not have seen any potential on such a dangerous experiment. Meaning when Jayce was depresso and was about to jump, Viktor didn't arrive and Jayce.. well you know.. which explains why in that universe Hextech is available and no Jayce
One of the things i wished we could have seen in the final episodes was some more of sevika and how she unites zaun to join piltover in the battle and also how she desided to be part of the counsil or at least one last talk with jinx befor the battle. I think they did a bit dirty to her after the prision escape. Idk if some day theyll continue this characters stroys in the future.
For me Episode 7 was a 10/10 an absolute standout even amongst the other Arcane episodes with 8 and 9 both being 9/10.
Totally agree, if you actually think about it from the story perspective, not much is happening. Ekko is trying to get back and experiences what could have been. But man that episode hit a new peak, it is THE best episode I have seen from any show ever.
@@williamost9083fr fr... 10/10 episode
Episode 7 is my favourite in all of Arcane but I’m more critical of 8 and 9. The story wasn’t bad, but they clearly needed more time to tell it.
@@williamost9083 no need to exaggerate
One cool thing i just realized is that episode 7 of both seasons of Arcane we get a "dance" between Ekko and Jinx
The monster you created is so relevant the convergence universe when it says "Why don't you love who I am? What we could have been" ekko is so unable to love jinx for who she was and could only imagine what she could have been until they send him to the other jinx
But why did they have to completely disregard and abandon the core plot of Piltover Zaun politics for an end of the world threat that came out of nowhere? I felt like the interpersonal stuff and the whole Piltover/Zaun concepts/aesthetics were the core of this show, but they just threw it away to have a meaningless fantasy slop battle in the end. Why didn't they trust the best elements of their show?
I personally am not a fan of the fantasy battle parts either but at the same time with all the great stuff we got from this show, its not worth getting too critical over.
I pictured the finale differently, but it was far from as bad as the awful GoT s8. We still got great moments between characters during and around the big battle even if some things did not make sense. We also shouldn't forget, its all subjective and for seemingly most people, they loved this ending.
I can still appreciate the show for what it was to me personally, a 10/10 overall with a 7/10 finale. Worth rewatching in the future when i will probably be way more accepting of the finale because im less emotionally invested by that time
Based.
They said they wanted to respectfully tell the origin story of these characters. Instead, what they really do is strongarm them to fit a narrative that is too big for and incongruent with their characters.
All those mounting tensions between the cities that are brewing in Season 1 culminate in one small-scale Piltovan operation into Zaun that is quickly resolved in Season 2. Then its suddenly a big Marvel showdown where all the characters make their cool entrances each in turn to save another character. The main character's heroic sacrifice is a fakeout and the solution to stopping the villain is talking him out of it.
The Noxian legion simply vanishes when their leader has been killed. The two cities are reconciled and the defacto leader of the undercity joins the Piltovan council despite having been a champion for Zaunite independence.
Perhaps I simply got the wrong impression from Season 1 when it came to what this show is about, but Season 2 blows things out of proportion for no explicable reason. I'm not saying Season 2 was bad, but it was difficult to appreciate as a continuation from Season 1.
I'd give it a 7/10 for its fantastic visuals.
i wouldn't say that they abandonded it fully. S2 act 1 still follows these dynamic but they pretty much lost it after the end of act 2, they should've known to do the job properly then rushing to cover other areas of runeterra.
This. the ENTIRETY of season 1 as well as S2 Act 1 and a good portion of Act 2 were completely and entirely focused on Piltover v. Zaun being the main conflict of the series told through the context of Jinx and Vi’s relationship.
It really got thrown to the side after the Warwick stuff which while I didn’t hate on its own, was definitely the turning point for sidelining the original story. If Season 2 had one more act they could have wrapped up everything they did as well as Piltover v Zaun is a much more satisfying manner.
I think making Act 3 focus on Jinx channeling the grief of Isha’s death, as well as Ekko and his experience in the AU into revolutionary energy to become the symbol of Zaunite independence that Isha viewed her as would give her as well as Isha’s story a much better conclusion, as well as also having it make more sense for the cities to work together to fight victor & noxus in the hypothetical act 4 if there was a whole revolution arc where Zaun gains independence and Piltover actually does some work to restore their relationships.
im no writer but thats my two cents on how they couldve more succinctly wrapped up these stories if they had more time.
As someone who saw you at the event in LA, sharing that experience with you (in whatever small way) was a ton of fun.
I had a long conversation with a friend who doesn't know anything about league or its lore and from his perspective (and mine too i guess) ambessa was a big letdown. she really didn't live up to the level that silco did as a villain. The story of Arcane could have been very similar without her and Noxus interfering. There were other ways for Caitlin to go down the path she did and Ambessa getting a legendary skin on release, a music video, a book and so much hype really felt strange. they didn't need to have noxus as this common enemy for piltover and zaun to fight against together because they already had Viktor for that. A lot of the bloat from the season came from ambessa and removing her would have given them more time to flesh out other character's arcs and making the feeling that the story was a little rush a bit less. I get that she was a setup for another series set in Noxus but from the perspective of my friend who doesn't know the lore at all the story would have been much better if it really was about the twin cities and contained to them. The infrastructure for oppressing zaun existed long before the noxians arrived and all things considered I really think ambessa was one of the weaker parts of the story. (would love to hear other people's opinions though)
Two seasons were simply not enough to fully flesh out the story. Lots of gaps in the Ambessa plot. Unless i've missed something Ambessa was not acting in the interest of Noxus, but instead was trying to aquire Hextech to use against them. Did they ever even reveal what it was Ambessa stole that is essential to the whole black rose plot even existing? I can only assume it is the Kaenic Rookern, as right after the "What you've stolen, is more precious than any gold" line the scene focuses on Rictus touching the Rookern on his Axe.
Ambessa is portrayed as a master manipulator and yet she led the Black Rose directly to Mel when the entire reason she sent her to Piltover in the first place was to hide her from them. She then decides to ally with Viktor after seeing how ridiculously powerful he has become, as though she would be able to control him. Even if the Rookern protected her she would have no influence at all over his actions. The last act undid a lot of her charachter development.
I love how the Silco power vacuum was handled with Chem-Barons fighting for control, they could have easily done an entire second and even third season based around this with more Piltover and Zaun conflict. Include Blitzcrank's creation by Viktor, Zak's creation by one of the Chem-Barons, Dr Mundo, Urgot? It's really criminal to leave Camille out of the show in my opinion, no pun intended.
The only real Piltover and Zaun development besides the obvious (Warwick) was a couple of Janna cameos and one second of Oriana after countless Singed pocketwatch scenes.
I don't blame the writers / creators, i'm sure given the budget for more episodes / seasons they would have explored a lot of these themes.
The only thing I slightly disagree with you is the Noxus setup, as there is such a massive non-league viewership, it probably helps having some familiarity for them in a new show and will help with audience retention. Given the massive success of the show I do understand your point that it's not really necessary and actually agree but I can understand why they chose to go that route as they wouldn't know that at the time of writing the script.
@@banditbrahI do understand they can link the two regions by having a better forefront role of ambessa, but the way ambessa act 3 is not good. They are looking for success in the future disregarsing the present.
Ambessa in act 3 is just plain confusing, she just acts so out of character and have a very poor job at making clear character motivations.
For example why is she having an 'hoborable duel' vs cait and ambessa while her soldiers stands and do nothinng even when she loses, she is not about honor never was and also fails to represent Noxus principles at act 3.
And Im completely confused on her character motivations.
Act 3 had too many 'mystery boxes' to solve and they never solved or dropped almost all. Im a lore enthusiast and i disnt understand a lot of stuff when the show ended. Confusing is not the feling you want to convey at a series finale.
7:07 Counter theory: In the blast both Vi and Jayce were caught. Jayce never shares the dream of hextech with Viktor.
But the only trouble I have with this episode is that at the end Alt Powder has gemstones as a keepsake. HOW COME THEY WERE NOT CONFISCATED? IT SEEMED LIKE THEY WERE ABOUT TO BE ARRESTED AT THE SCENE!
If your theory is right and Jayce also died in the explosion: then the police have no reason to believe the Zaun kids are thieves.
Jayce had been making trips to the undercity; so as far as the police know these kids were invited to the lab. The gems may not have been confiscated in this case because the police literally would not know that they were the cause of the explosion: meaning they'd be returned to Powder.
In the standard cannon, the police give chase because the kids run, and Jayce later confirms to the police that they are thieves. No run + no Jayce = no thieves (from the police perspective)
I liked the theory that because a child was directly killed in the explosion, Viktor did not end up getting as curious into hextech, thus not preventing Jayce from jumping out the hole in the building
Who would've frisk a grieving child which lost her sister? Obviously she nicked those gems in that mass.
Something that no one is talking about is the fact that in my view, Ambessa managed to do what she wanted, she turned Mel into a wolf and the new leader of her family which makes her die with a smile and in peace because she knows that Mell is now powerful enough to keep herself safe, I always saw them as the relationship between the wolf and the lamb with MEL being the lamb and Ambessa the wolf but after the fight between them the lamb turned into the wolf which was the goal of Ambessa since always educating her daughter to be .
And also the fact that Siged achieved everything he wanted, winning death for his daughter, making her immortal.
For me, this series was about "love" and "family", if you think about it, a mother managed to educate her daughter and protect her from evil that she didn't even imagine existed, and a father managed to save his daughter from imminent death.
Ambessa as mother
and Siged as a father were the winners at the end of this series and Hemmendinger as a teacher who loves his students also sacrificed knowing that Echo was the disciple he always sought to find which gave meaning to his life and joy.
I think Maddie was a plant from the start. She was so fast to pound her chest back in act 1 almost encouraging Cait.
She 100% was. Ambessa tells Vi that Vi leaving left a hole for her to fill. She filled it with Maddie.
As a 10 years League of Legends players i dont really mind they have changed the lore in Arcane, because to me the entire roaster doesnt make any sense in the first place. So i took it as it is, a story with cool champs from my game.
Finally someone with my opinion I thought I was the only one lol, I don't really care for retcons and people just complain constantly for stupid stuff
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True and based. I don’t get how people are so “attached” to league’s lore. It’s just some random character having random stories they pulled out of their ass years ago. Now finally with Arcane its getting depth.
@@Blubking1it's been around for a long time so I get the attachment, but it's a mess.. like how are you gonna justify someone like Shaco existing as he is now? It needs to be cleaned up and there needs to be a unified narrative direction.
@@Blubking1 bad take, a character for example viktor had way cooler lore before Arcane, was it a mess and Riot had no idea how to pull it off yes BUT he was an anti-hero who wanted to help people by erasing what he thought was plaguing humanity (emotion and weakness) and replacing it with machine, he WAS the only transhumanist he had a unique role and character, he created blitzcrank to help the people of Zaun, he had connections to the world with his character like creating Blitzcrank, being funded by Renata for his research. Now look at Viktor he got fleshed out in Arcane just to turn into a generic Marvel villain Ultron copy with the same copy paste idea of a world view as Madara from Naruto be fr. Imagine being invested in a character's lore, maining them for 10+ years because you LOVED that lore and attached yourself to that character just for it to get "ruined" how can you NOT get that? Not to mention this rewrite creates holes in the world itself because now Blitzcrank doesn't exist, now chunks of the story and timeline completely missing, interactions, story points and motivations for other champions get erased.
heimer just vibing in the alt timeline while jayce slowly goes insane from arcane corruption was absolute cinema.
I still think Viktor's story was incredibly weirdly rushed. One episode he's all "I will not sacrifice his humanity for your cause", but after Jayce chest-blasts him, he's suddenly all fine with dooming the entire world? hello? what? the same Viktor from season 1 who would rather let himself die than let the hexcore continue to exist, potentially harming others? THAT Viktor?
It is also never explained to us in any meaningfull way what the footsteps in episode 1 were, or why it was Sky that almost urged Viktor on to infect others with the Arcane. The theories that said that Viktor was semi-mind controlled by the hexcore/arcane, and that Sky was the semi-physical manifestation of that control, were amazing! they explained why Viktor was weirdly un-emotional, what the footsteps were, explained the visual and audio hallucinations, and explained why this man who was TERRIFIED of the hexcore suddenly wanted to spread its power. But, nope. he's just an all-powerfull bad guy now bc, uhm, "we must be one mind, choice is false". Truly have no idea how they ended up there, but alright
(also, s1 "there is ALWAYS a choice" Viktor would stab s2 Viktor in the face)
Yeah - it is not that it could not happen. The problem is that you have to infer a whole season's worth of plot progression and character development.
No, it is not the same viktor from season 1, clearly. After he was fused with the hexcore he obviously changed, got corrupted by it, more and more as time went on.
Skye probably was the reason why the hexcore didnt immediately turn Viktor in a complete maniac, she was still there keeping himself company, absorbed into the hexcore. When Jayce shot him, something changed, he realized that reaching his goal, "helping" the people, would not be possible in a peaceful way, because people like Jayce would try to stop him. Which is where he started considering accepting Singed's offer of combining him and warwick, an extremer method of reaching the glorious evolution him/the hexcore wanted to achieve.
In fact, he was still trying to convince to work together with Jayce instead of fully committing to Singed's idea, thats why he send one of the puppets to talk to him. Once he realized Jayce wouldnt, he fully commited. He accepted sactificing the only thing keeping his humanity and peace, Skye, who knew it was wrong... before she disappears she basically tells Viktor that this is wrong.
Once she is gone, he completely obsesses over doing everything possible to reach his goal of the glorious evolution, by any means required.
My only personal issue with this is that why future Viktor didn't give Jayce better instructions on how to stop Viktor in that world, he must have known Jayce only shooting him once wouldnt be enough to stop him. But maybe its a whole thing of not being able to interfere too much or causing an even worse result etc.
EDIT: Never mind on my personal issue... future viktor knew, the only way to really stop it, was Jayce and Viktor having the conversation like they ended up having.
S2 is paced faster because we no longer have to work through each characters backstory and motivations now. Viktor basically died twice already. Once to jinx and then to jayce. Which most definitely would fuck him up being killed by his partner, who put him in the hexcore in the first place.
For all intents and purposes I don't see why people think Viktor was malicious or being controlled prior to E7.
Did we forget about his talk with singed? and his defense that Vander was a man and not an experiment. Viktor wanted to stop conflict but at this point everyone submitted willingly to be cured, both physically and most likely removed of their negative emotions.
Then boom, jayce "betrays" him, Vander kills Rictor and a small war breaks out in his peaceful commune. Isha, a kid, fucking dies as a result of the whole thing.
From S1 to S2, "You were right doctor, I understand now." If anything it is singed that altered Viktors perspective on himself and his goals so damn much from the very beginning.
The path to hell is laid with good intentions
I mean dude was killed by the person he respected the most... Gonna change anyone's mind about their approach to their problems. His speech at end of epi 3 kinda highlights his motivation to start the glorious revolution.. and singed kept him alive to pursue those goals.
@@snorr656 i do understand how you take it and thats also 100% valid and i wish i could interpret it the same, but i believe the show was still way too open-for-intepretation with very important aspects of Viktor's arc - in a way that, sorry, season 1 would never be.
Yes, after waking up from the Goop^tm he clearly is different. it is as if he is sleepwalking. he walks to the undercity in almost a trance, and sees footsteps leading him to the place of his latter commune. Here, he 'heals' Huck, and we see him hallucinating Sky as she smiles down on him proudly.
Except.. Why would Sky be proud of Viktor for spreading the Hexcore/Arcane, when it is the thing that killed her? And why would Viktor, were he fully himself here (as Jayce in e9 does impy), want to spread the power of the thing he was previously so terrified of to the extent that he would rather let himself die than use it again? And what were those footsteps? Was the hexcore making him hallucinate Sky and those footsteps after all?
Except... if that were the case, again, why does e9 imply it was all his own doing? and why is it never confirmed in canon he was influenced/lead on by the hexcore - which is such an important aspect of his arc were it the case, because a) doing everything out of his own will, and b) being influenced to do stuff, both imply SUCH different things about everything he has done.
Back to: if he were still himself here (conviction wise), there is nothing that can make me believe that "there is always a choice", "we're scientists, not soldiers!", "in the pursuit of great, we failed to do good", and more lines along these, would suddenly turn all radical 'one mind one people is the solution' with only 'jayce tried to kill me' as his reasoning.
And with the future Viktor thing: i do agree that might be the case. in e9 (beginning) we see Viktor smile down at Jayce, while in e6 (end) he looks scared, bc Jayce is abt to shoot him. My guess is that the smiling-vision is the vision that Mage Viktor [which i still despise as a plot, but that aside] showed Jayce, aka that was what happened in mage viktor's universe, and it clearly didnt work out, so he told Jayce to just go for the kill - except, we again never get told that. There are so many ways to interpret the scenes, and as nothing is made canon in the show about it, it will always, forever be a fan theory. these things are of such importance a show NEEDS to tell us, not leave it completely open.
in s1, it was always clear why a character did something, or got to a new point in their arc. in season 2 its guess work most of the time.
8:51 I hope the crowd's reaction was enough to tell the team that created this show that we want more of Ekko and Jinx/Powder
Imma say it, the guy who necrit was referring to at the beginning is a Pr trained yapper. They will just gloss over the lore of the characters that they changed and hope that people forget, the ending was rushed and the finale was a massive let down for what could and should have been something much more amazing and enjoyable. In the end It just left me dissatisfied and makes me question how much time they had to create season 2 compared to season 1
@@thewarriorreturns9179 The ending itself, ill give an 8/10, season 2 as a whole? Not disappointing whatsoever. Episode 7 was a new peak
@@thewarriorreturns9179 “wah muh video game lore” everyone is loving it so just for you i hope they continue to gloss over and change everything. Cope
I dont lmao. Powder acts super different to the jinx we knew... if they want to kill each other some more that might be cool tho
@ “I don’t lmao” does bro think he’s special or something
I appreciate your positivity so much. I enjoyed this lil journey of waiting for your review of each arc after watching it!
The new Viktor design is kinda lovecraftic, and as a bloodborne AND Lovecraft mythos enjoyer, i loyed ut wery much.
Also it looks like an old god skin.
I love cosmic horror stuff too. That's also why it kinda bummed me that victor came back to his humanity. It makes no sense since he was supposed to have an ascended consciousness, incomprehensible by mortals
@@beegest_yoshi I mean, to be fair, he literally got slapped by a time-bending device. That's bound to leave a mark.
@@AurelionSass good thing he wasn't slapped by TARDIS then, that would've left hella lot more of a mark
Episode 7 is my fav, and by far, Holy shit it was so beautiful. As usual, thx for the good work man
More episodes rather than more seasons would've already solved a lot I think. Not really a necessary evil that way. They didn't need more payoffs, just develop towards the existing payoffs a bit more. That does matter a lot. No matter how satisfying the payoff, it's not quite AS good if you don't build it up.
Still, the show remains great!
“Welp” is about the reaction I had too. RIP Warwick
Edit- It doesn't matter if he's dead or not, he deserved better. The Warwick fans are probably dead tho lol
Warwick deserved better.
He's not even dead
No champion died except for maybe Ambessa.
There is no way he just died to a hextech grenade
@@danielg778c3 yeah 100% he didn't
basically they are retconning their lore for the 100th time :D
Arcane and the future shows are the actual true lore of Runeterra. That's where they spent/spend the most energy and ressources on the writing so it makes sense that it takes precedence over everything else, because that's where the top quality writing is.
@@Attya-y2y I know which still means they are retconning the lore again :D im fine with it really.. the only thing I did not like is how Warwick look :D
@@Attya-y2ythank you
I don’t think so
it looks kinda weird but i think it lets his face expressions be more clear, also it makes his ep 9 form look so uncanny i love it
Every time you said "it suffers from a slower pace" I was like nooo! We needed the slower pace at times for actual character development. That's why the finale *didn't* land for me it was too rushed.
Neah the pacing wasnt a necessary evil and another season would've been perfect but at least 3 more eps were needed instead of just rushing character arcs to where the plot needs them.
Slowing down a bit would've been much better even if Arcane is not isolated, for example Ciat's dictator arc was so heavely underutilised its like it didnt even happened and a few other things like things at minimum 3 eps more were needed.
Yep... Both Cait and Jinx's leader arcs were built up only to result in just a few scenes where they had any consequence...
I thought the exact same thing. A lot of stuff could have been fleshed more out with just 3 more episodes
Props to the Noxian soldiers, they where pretty effective considering how advanced Piltover is.
Ye the difference is Noxians are soldiers while Piltover only have a force that is similar to the police - enforcers.
More on Piltover a fraud region. They varely survive chemtech let alone a well train war bandits. All that technology and no peace treaty or functional defense military
I mean think about it, Piltover alone has guns, magical artillery, airships, and toxic gas, Zaun brings more people, body augments, and the hoverboards of the firelights to the table, on top of all that their position was pretty defendable.
@@Psub950 True, with both of the full forces of Zaun and Piltover combined, they could handle Medarda faction soldiers...though as we saw, Noxians are cunning by principle. Ambessa not only used Singed and Viktor's augments on her soldiers but also exploited the weaknesses within Piltover (causing their own to betray them amid battle). I like that even a small scale war like this wasn't done in a brain-dead manner. Characters in Runeterra/Arcane actually are smart and use every resources they can to prevail - and some even don't! like in real life, many people just left the city xd
This season was the epitome of turn off your brain and look at the beautiful colors and let your emotions run rampant, screw logic.
Magic, time travel, multiverse, different dimentions... They really went all in
I legitemately had the best moment of my life after finishing the show with my friend, hugging and crying, petting her cat... This hits really hard as an Ekko enjoyer
My main question is why Jayce decided to blow up Viktor rather than going to him and showing him the future, he knew fully well future Viktor was the man with the crystals all along, so why not, just go to Viktor and show him this so he can realize? Like, this was while Viktor still had reasonable humanity in him, blowing him up is what trigger Viktor to go full machine
I’ve been looking for this comment, thank you. This is what I fail to understand as well. They risked all this pointless fighting with jayce knowing full well what happened, it just didn’t make sense.
This is why I will continue to give Jayce crap and not forgive him for shooting Viktor. He probably felt he had to in his messed up mental state but just fucking talking to him would have helped.
@collecter343 The thing is, Jayce already knew Viktor was the mage and the whole time travelling stuff, he already had cleared his mind well enough to know he must show Viktor, it just makes it worse that he decided to blow him up instead of Singed being the one to modify him
My guess is that he either believed or knew that things would escalate to the point of the parallel timeline, and that shooting Victor was simply part of a script he had to follow. Not saying it's good, or even the point, just my first thought.
@@tediousgeorge7159 I mean, kinda of makes sense, but Jayce's character was always about following his own choice and doing things not by the book but by his own way.
If Viktor told him "To stop me you must shoot me" (Which didn't seem like it was the case) Jayce would've probably hesitate to do so knowing full well the context of everything.
In my opinion, things could've gone a different route that would still lead to Viktor becoming the machine herald without Jayce shooting him in the chest (Aka Ambessa and Singed and partially Isha sacrifice)
3:45 Well I wouldn't say ALL of our concerns were "completely wiped out"
Another note to take about jinx is when she looks into vandars eyes at the end, the flashbacks are only from vandars perspective as every scene eitehr jinx and vi are asleep or just not there. Meaning this was vandars life flashing before the viewers eyes, not jinxs. This is another cinimatic tactic use to show someones life dissapearing. This confirms that this last final scene was about vandar going away not jinx. Another piece of evidence that jinx is still alive and will never leave vi
After Isha's sacrifice they already show us very clearly that the last parts of Vander left in Warwick are burned away.
How I interpreted that footage of Vander putting the sisters to bed was that it serves to illustrate the family unit (Vander, Vi and Powder) and with Vander already gone and now the sisters parting, Vander blows out the candle to signify the final ending of the family ...
They really needed like two more episodes to fully explore and setup A3 for it to feel right. Watching Mel go from not knowing she has powers to being able to use it to ricochet a bullet into a headshot off screen. Ekko convincing Jinx to actually be a hero also happens off screen. What exactly happened to Heimer before Ekko got there? I would assume he would've seen that world as a world where he supported Jayce even if that wasn't exactly the truth. Also, it really doesn't make sense to me that Ambessa sees what Viktor can do and doesn't see it as a threat if left to grow. Maybe it could've made sense if they even had a small scene where it was brought up and since they didn't it just makes her look stupid and full of her self.
Also Viktor going full hivemind felt a bit too extreme of a leap, I can't imagine someone as smart as him can't see what that would bring in the end without having to go full timeloop/multiverse. Maybe if instead of Jayce just blasting him when he first came back he first tried talking to him and they got into an argument first they could've made it seem like a gradual decent into "I'll do it myself" syndrome, Instead of going from wanting to destroy the hexcore to enslave all of mankind in a hive mind in less then 10 minutes of Viktor scenes.
i need someone to mention the jinx haircut 😭😭 she first just chopped it, but after she shows up at the battle, you can see she cut her hair AGAIN and it looks like Vi's haircut
Do you have insight into whether there will be future Ekko media? He was the absolute GOAT in Season 2, elevated above and beyond and I think he's one of the characters that would truly be worth seeing in further media, what with having an actual positive hero arc.
The Firelights were my favorite "gang" in the entire show. Their music scenes, the way they enter a fight, their style, their swagger, everything is fucking S tier.
Look imma heavily disagree with your intro already. The pace was ATROCIOUS. Especially the last 2 acts were the most rushed episodes I have ever seen from any series I‘ve watched. (Maybe GOTS7/8 were that rushed aswell, but they obviously had a lot more problems.) It felt like a 'we gotta rush through this all to finish it now' and therefore lost a lot of its soul it had in S1. I‘m not saying all of the soul was lost, S2 had a lot of very emotional scenes(E7 was incredible), but it cannot compare to S1 at all.
The series was beautiful, had very emotional scenes. I also heavily disagree with A LOT CL said. If you’re aware of the issues, then how do you not fix them beforehand? I get it, they worked over 10years on this story and wanted to finish it off to get to other shows, but season 2 suffered heavily.
It feels like a completely different show than Season 1. Especially the last act.
"Jinx battleship" is actually the workstation she had lol, she fly it so nothing left behind. You can see it in this video 8:38, 25:39
I just cannot be mad or sad or whatever about the stuff we didnt get when every single second of this 12 hour long show is made with so much care, thought and passion. There really just isn't a single wasted moment in this show, every frame is a painting you could hang on your wall, every arc has atleast one of those moments that blows up the internet, you have all those ambitious original music pieces switching with a beautiful background instrumental score, even small characters are so respectfully handled in the few scenes that they get and the sheer emotional impact this story has is on the very apex of tv shows. This IS a 10/10 for me.
The real issue with arcane is that it was never meant to be cannon.
I'm pretty sure that's what kinda hurt the second season. The first was written with probably more freedom.
Viktor's plot in the finale is the Human Instrumentality Project from Neon Genesis Evangelion
Hands down, the best TV we’ve ever watched & don’t know what comes close to this animation 🐐🐐
So ready for whatever Riot has next for us!! 🔥🤩
Giving episode 7 an 8/10 should be a crime.
This series is one of the few pieces of media that pulled on my heart in such a way where Ive felt in such a way I cant really describe.
@3:07 even he didn’t finish his own video
God I’ve been waiting for this video
Vi having sex with Caitlyn in a damn jail cell while Jinx was in mental distress going to kill herself was foul.
NOW THE ERA OF NOXUS IS NEXT RAHHHH
Imma say it, the guy who necrit was referring to at the beginning is a Pr trained yapper. They will just gloss over the lore of the characters that they changed and hope that people forget, the ending was rushed and the finale was a massive let down for what could and should have been something much more amazing and enjoyable. In the end It just left me dissatisfied and makes me question how much time they had to create season 2 compared to season 1