The Soviet Union Adopts an SMG: Degtyarev's PPD-34/38
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The Soviet Union adopted its first submachine gun in 1935 after trials of some 14 different design in 1932/33. The winner of the trials was Vasily Degtyarev, once of the Soviet Union’s most prolific firearms designers. His model 1934 was a simple blowback gun reminiscent of the MP-28,II albeit with different trigger and magazine systems. The PPD34 und a 25-round box magazine, chambered for 7.62x25mm Tokarev. It was put into slow production, with just 3,300 or so produced by the end of 1938. During that time, Degtyarev made a number of small improvements to the gun, smoothing out the teething problems that are always found in new production systems. This improved version was designated the PPD34-38.
During the time, the submachine gun was not considered a priority by the Red Army. The leading generals did not see the value in the class of arms, and actually pulled all the PPDs from service in 1939 and had them put into storage. Only a few months later, the Red Army would be given a grim demonstration of SMG effectiveness when they closed the border into Finland and encountered determined Finnish resistance with kp/31 Suomi SMGs.
Some Suomis were captured by Soviet troops, and were very well liked - for obvious reasons. The inevitable inquiry into why the Red Army did not have such a weapon led to a frantic re-issuing of PPDs and production of as many as possible. At Stalin’s direction, the Suomi drum magazine was copied and adapted to the PPD34-38 as well. This required the addition of a short feed tower to fit the magazine well initially deigned for a standard box magazine. While PPD34-38 production continued, the PPD40 was quickly designed and put into production alongside the older model. Eventually, both were replaced in service by the PPSh-41, which was truly deigned for mass industrial production.
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NGL, the fact that "flapper locking systems" got going in the 1920's always makes me laugh just a bit.
Ha ha ha, didn't notice it, thanks.
You can tell a flapper locking system - it has s short skirt, a cigarette holder and a beauty spot on its top lip. The hip flask of bathtub gin is optional.
@@rags417 well played!
Me too-I just caught the reference.
Nice! Never made connection before
fun fact - the literal translation of pistolet-pulemyot is 'handgun-machine gun' :)
no, literal it would be, "pistol-bulletslinger", пистолет-пулемёт
pistolet(пистолет), the pistol, is clear i think
"pule"(пуле) from пуля(pulya), the bulltet
"myout"(мёт) from метать(metat), to throw, to sling, to launch, etc.
@@OberGefreiterZ well, ok, you won :D
@@OberGefreiterZ it would be a pistol-machinegun then. Pulemyot means machinegun...
The prize for the silliest name for a weapon type goes to Sweden. The literal translation of "machine gun" in Swedish is "bullet sprayer".
@@peabase I mean, they aren't wrong.
Love how you pop up the other guns from under the table :d
great video, Ian. From watching you over the years, I now have a fairly comprehensive understanding of various smg's of WWII!!!! Not something they teach in school very often...
Why would they? You're supposed to learn about math ELS and GENERAL history lmfao
2:31 More like Pistolet Pulemyot Degtyareva - Degtyarev's Machine Pistol
Actually got the chance to fire 13 rounds out of a W W II PSH-41 25 years ago. It was a lot of fun.
Me too! The main thing I remember is that first round accuracy sucked - that heavy blowback open bolt lurching forward right after you pull the trigger really throws the muzzle down. But... since it was designed to be used in spray+pray mode only, first round hits are kind of a moot point...
Nice video. I come for the history, & stay for the firing on the range.
Have you ever thought of doing a video on the Beretta ARX 160 and the civilian 100? It's not that well known outside of Italy where it's the main rifle of the Italian Military (the 160) but it kinda failed to get a following in the American consumer market (the 100). There was a lot of talk about what could be done with the 100 for the consumer market but Beretta never really delivered and it's kinda forgotten about here in America.
The one who pulled SMG out of service eventually got pulled out of existence WAY later.
Yes, that Kulik guy.
So, the settings are semi-auto, or mag-dump.
*NICE*
Red Dawn had just come out and I had a Browning Hi-Power. I thought having an SMG, perhaps an Uzi, to go with it made sense. But I could go through 50 rounds in about 15 minutes. I can't afford a SMG. I'll have to get one from whoever invades. Hope they bring lots of ammo.
A shame that it won't open up, but I guess that's part of old guns.
Gotta love it when you throw something away, somebody else has something similar and uses it, and then you think "Oh, wait, maybe I shouldn't have thrown that away".
From what I understand the PPSh-41 is the most sought after soviet SMG of WW2 in Russia. Met a guy over there in january, he was working two shifts as an operator at a sawmill to buy one. Interesting video. I'm drunk.
Is there goint to be a video on firing that PPD-40?
I'm just always amused at the Russian's commitment to one diameter of bullet. 7.62 x whatever we need for this application.
Simple things usually are effective.
You can use same tools.
.30 caliber
Why mess with success.
@@joe-redacted yeah I knew that was the big reason for it. Simpler logistics and less specialized tooling can go a long way in wars of economic productivity. Just funny the US has seemed to field several variations of caliber throughout the last century, with almost no similar dimensions. Thinking of the 30 carbine, 30-06, and .45 in WWII, then on to 5.56 and 7.62 NATO, and then changing to 9mm for sidearms and SMGs.
After quality control barrels that are rejected for Mosin, Degteryev LMGs and others can be cut in smaller peaces for use on Tokarevs and Degtyarevs SMGs.
When barrel is rejected there is usualy flaw in small fraction if the lenght, 10mm or so. Long barrels are cut and flowed section thrown away, then new small barrels are reduced in od and further machined.
In any arms factory rifling machine is usually bottleneck of entire production and reuse of discarded barrels is very important.
Same tooling, a PPSH barrel is just a mosin barrel cut in half
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Would something similar help with the last few rounds in the Calico mags?
I don't think Stalin ever asked 'Could we make some machine guns?'. More like 'You make these now, or else'.
I don't think Stalin ever said ,or else.
No, Stalin was oddly polite about things. He sent a letter to the head of the Ilyushin factory, the famous line is that the Shturmovik is just as critical to the Red Army as the rifle.
No written threats at all.
@@ScottKenny1978 that's unnerving.
Thanks again Ian
It's a hideous weapon indeed, when the war here started in cro, we had the arms embargo imposed upon us, so my first patrol rifle was small caliber .22 as i was the youngest in the group, we were the t.d. unit patroling our part of the eastern city perimeter toward the serbs but not the frontline, i was in the senior year of the high school, so maybe a month later we got these, two of them, one 43, and the other 44 vintage, i used it first time during an aur raid, just firing into the air to try it - well third bullet got stuck, and you can't do a field strip just like that on this one, utterly unreliable weapon, not sure was it design itself or the wartime production, but it was an utter shit, and yes it had those drum magazines, but it had smaller holes on the barell jacket and the jacket ended up at an angle, top side was longer than the bottom side when seen from the side, and had no sights whatsoever, some poor wartime edition for certain - and fully loaded it was heavy as death to carry around, heavy as death in general..
your pronunciation of PPD was very decent for a foreigner :)
The one from 1929 with drom is not flapper lock and it is in 7,63x25 austrian
Редкая вещь...наверное из Финляндии( трофей)...
4:21 there was no such thing as "exile" in Soviet Union after brief period in 1920s. People who wanted to emigrate, had to struggle to get permission to leave, and very few succeeded. Petr Kapitsa was basically captured for life in USSR during visit after many years living and working in Cambridge. And if NKVD got your name, you either die or go to Gulag. "Exile" was not an option.
It seems to me that Ian is referring to the "internal exiles", with which in the times of the USSR it was elegantly called those who deported undesirable people to Siberia or some equally nice place
you could get exile in the soviet union, they'll give you a lead passport inserted in the brain and good to go
@@bulukacarlos4751 That wasn't option for people that were charged with any "crimes" too. Only for family members of sentenced people or for whole deported nations such as Kyrymly or Chechens.
Like Trotsky in Mexico😂😂
Exile = Gulag
Thanks
Was that little section of straight magazine to engage with those early mag wells the reason for the unreliability/jamming like the drum mags I've seen employed on civilian Armilites and Kalashnakovs?
First time I read about this gun was from playing men of war red tide on pc
I always wonder when Ian is stripping a gun like this: Could he strip and reassemble that rifle, from memory, 5 years from now? Would he know to turn that safety halfway to get the trigger guard out on his own from reading or did someone walk him through it before he shot the video?
The Soviet Suomi.
The structure of the PPD and Suomi are very different, so this is a proprietary development. From Suomi there is only a drum mag.
Barrel jacket slot’s too
Not exactly a weapon designed to be field stripped by the troops using it.
Stuck end cap is not part of the design.
Field stripping is easy as it gets. Remove the cap, take out the bolt.
@@XtreeM_FaiL Ian failed to make it clear, he should have mentioned the jammed end cap before talking about removing screws and the trigger guard, the way he did it made it look like you had to remove the stock before you could get access to the end cap.
@@mrjockt To be fair he said "disassembly" not field strip.
Now that’s a rare duck! Goddamn!
Why am I always so drawn to the pre-wwi to post wwii sub guns??
This is a little off topic, but didn't the US give the FBI a bunch of stuff like Thompsons and BARs at some point?
I would reckon it is Pea-stole-ette
Good video, have some engagement!
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A Police weapon in Soviet State terms.
Apparently commercials are back on gun channels….ugh.
Enlisted PTSD triggering
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Finns captured these i would be nice to known did we convert these into 9mm?
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2:28 - The funniest moment of this clip - Ian pronounced "Pistolet Pulemet Degtyarev" with Ukrainian accent... :)
Gun Jesus do be speaking Russian doe...sexy
These are currently seeing heavy use in Ukraine. Standard issue with Russian partially mobile special vodka units.
I love the fact that Ian calls everything out of the ML state "Soviet" when Lenin had all the actual Soviets killed and replaced them with party yes-men... *Sigh* You'd expect a history nerd to know this.
You must be fun at parties.
Who Did Lenin kill ?
That's what they called themselves, its convenient. It's like Democrats and Republicans neither of which care about democracy or republicanism.
But Stalin murdered Lenin´s yes-men so what are you on about ? its who ordered the production and procurement of this weapon for the Red Army, Showe ur salon socialism up where the sun dont shine and tell me what gender to adress u as
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about?
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Complicate for a russian gun...
this brings me back, i miss the good old days when there would be a bunch of videos of rare guns at julia or RIA in a row. i love the new content too, but the stuff from 5-10 years ago was pure gold.
By 1919 there were people claiming "the tank is obsolete" as it was seen as it was seen as kludge solution to trench warfare. The SMG was thought of in a similar fashion - a tool specific to a situation that might not come up again. Furthermore many submachine guns of the interwar period weighed as much as or more than standard rifles (for example a 1928 Thompson was heavier than a Springfield Bolt action by roughly a kilo, and about the same as an M1 Garand) while having a shorter range and less accuracy. Add in a need for another type of ammunition in large amounts and yeah - dismissing them makes sense even before throwing politics and preferences into the mix.
They were kinda right: those specific tanks absolutely were kludge solutions to trench warfare and probably were obsolete. There's a reason the tanks of 1930 look so different from those of the late war.
Fun fact: the Wright Flyer is also obsolete. Experts are divided over whether this "heavier than air flight" thing is just a fad.
Неприятие ПП высшим руководством армии связано со Сталинскими чистками в армии, однако в остальных странах ПП тоже не принимали.
Видимо Сталин и там всех репрессировал)
It's funny about the Winter war, because as Soviets admired the effectiveness of Suomi in combat, Finns admired the Degtyaryov light machine gun. After Winter war, Finns started arming squads so, that they had Suomi SMG(s) and Degtyaryov LMG. They were both good, but in different way. Of course Degtyaryov LMGs were used during the Winter war already as they were captured, but after Winter war it became part of squad armament officially.
When I was an extra for the movie Unknown Soldier 2017, I carried Lahti LMG for a while. I was horrified how bad the ergonomics were and the weight was insane. That combined with small magazine, it's no wonder why Finns preferred Degtyaryov LMG over Lahti.
That is true but largely due to the standard Finnish LMG (the LS26) being so bad. It was big, heavy and awkward in every way possible, whereas the DP28 was perfectly adequate. It was definitely much lighter, portable and practical for use as an assault weapon, and the LS26 was terrible at that role due to it's weight and awkward bottom fed magazine. It wasn't really good as an area-denial weapon either, the way an MG-34 or 42 would be, due to it's relatively slow rate of fire and low magazine capacity/lack of a belt feed. The gun is honestly total garbage when it comes to combat effectiveness and the Finns were right to go with the Degtyarev design instead. The Finnish KP31 SMG was a lot more comparable to the PPSH41 and PPD designs that came before it, with each having pros and cons when it comes to their effectiveness on the battlefield. One thing is for sure, Finland, being a much smaller nation can afford to equip their army with higher-quality milled weapons whereas the USSR could barely even keep up with the time, material and production costs associated with the '41. The Finns could definitely look into better machine guns than the DP28 though I guess they went with their personal experiences seeing how well they performed in the winter war.
Do we have a pattern here? Cf. the (fairly recent) replacement of the Finnish Kvkk light machine gun with the Russian PKM.
@@joro5748 Seems to be, finnish LMGs haven't been really successful designs.
Finnish military firearms have the problem of being too well made. We Finns should have focused more on cheap and fast mass production with good quality, instead of trying to make every single weapon suitable for competitive shooting.
Finnish army high command is also to blame with their ridiculously high requirements for accuracy.
Ian shows us that what shapes weapons (and most products) is often not a lathe or a milling machine or a stamping machine…but the historical context. On the other hand, it is excellent how he shows different examples that he pulls out like a magician pulls rabbits out of his hat. Thank you very much. Greetings from Patagonia Argentina
It's a far more important part of weapons design than 99% of people think. Eliminating as many bottlenecks in production is a very often overlooked aspect of firearms development.
Part of what made the German MP-40 such a successful SMG design, especially for its time. Mostly stamped sheet metal, no wooden stock, extremely cheap to manufacture, and its combat performance was still well above average on top of all that.
@@_ArsNova What is the simplest SMG that Ian has fired? What is the most complex?
@@robertwarner5963 PPS is the simplest of the simplest.
@@XtreeM_FaiL The Sten is simpler than the PPS.
@@robertwarner5963 Without a doubt the Stemple SMG. It's been marketed with a bunch of extra Suomi (and other) furniture/parts on it, but when Stemple first made his SMGs, they were literally just home made from piping that he cut holes in and registered as machine-gun receivers. Definitely give Ian's videos on it a watch.
From a historic, rather than "small arms tactics" perspective, I also wouldn't attribute a skepticism towards machine pistols to the military purges of the 1930s, which overwhelmingly targeted older, senior officers (even Tukhachevsky was literally one of the first marshals, albeit the youngest of that class), professionals, careerists, those from military families (Rokossovsky comes to mind there). If anything, the purges intentionally or inadvertently helped usher younger, less experienced academy graduates who were considerably more open to unconventional ideas (and not necessarily good ones; this is how you come to the idea of adapting American "flying tanks", etc.). It seems more like even the purges didn't really offset the inertia that predisposed the military leadership against adopting "Tommy guns" when there was so much favoritism towards rifles and rifle doctrine (which...remained true even into the war, given the mass deployment of SVT rifles; it's just the PPSh and PPS were easier to manufacture while Germany was obliterating much of the country's industrial infrastructure). But that's just a quick theory that comes to mind. Thank you for the fine video again.
Interesting idea
I might add that during the purges the officers weren't executed. Most of them were pardoned and returned to their old commission after the German invasion
".....younger, less experienced academy graduates who were considerably more open to unconventional ideas...." Not so much. That younger less experienced class was fully indoctrinated and functioned completeley inside the lines Stalin set out. They were EXTREMELY constrained by the need to conform, failure to do so could mean death, and Stalin had people looking over everyone's shoulder just looking for a reason to denounce them, in order to advance their own career. SOME of Stalin's favorites could advance new ideas....but the risk was HUGE.
I do agree. Stalin's purges affected, mostly, high ranking officers and the strategic and operational inertia associated with them. If an SMG was already being considered, I don't think the purges would have a significant impact on decision making.
That being said, Stalin's USSR, especially, was very micromanaged, very sensitive to management layers. A tremble in one upper layer could easily affect a design bureau down bellow. But I don't think that such dynamics apply to this particular case.
I could be wrong, of course.
Sorry but as a fighting force the Red Army always was a hot mess,
except for a small time window in 1944/45 where forged in blood and steel on the anvil of the Wehrmacht and high on Uncle Sam's logistical steroids, it was a somewhat competent Army.
The apparent disdain for SMGs was far more widespread than just Russia though, for example the quote from the British about "gangster guns". Overall the russians arguably leaned far harder into SMGs than anyone else.
My favorite gun in enlisted
This gun is so OP in Moscow
@@ComradeAlex123 fr
Hehe PPD go brrrrt xD
Why? I mean, with a box magazine it's utter crap. Better than MP28 in certain aspects, but crap nontheless.
Still have to get a drum version.
@@SamuraiAkechi it goes BRRRAT and kills germans in a single burst
Hmm rare Russian machine gun at an auction house. Wonder if we'll get to see it again on Brandon's channel.
We can only hope :3
I spit out my sprite reading that
no thanks that channel sucks
@@HircineDaWolf couldn’t agree more
considering it's russian/soviet who knows
our boy is just absolutely churning these videos out for us 🙏
Ian: *goes on a tangent about three other guns and stops himself* "This video is already long enough as it is"
Me: "... But I still have several hours before bedtime... please continue!"
This smacks hard in enlisted
The comment i been looking for
Soviets in that game "haha ppd/ppsh go brrr"
yep pretty op as a starting smg especially the drum mag version
@@Karl-ui6oe yeah the but we can all agree the 25 stick mag is garbage
First gen SMGs might be my favorite family of historic firearms. I just love the wood furniture and hand machined parts.
They all look as if they'd be great fun to shoot - they're big and heavy, with proper stocks, and a slow rate of fire.
Yes! "real men" "hand machine parts" while only sissies use lathes. Hah! Hah!
Yes, I know that you were comparing early machining techniques with modern CNC tooling, but I just wanted to poke fun at your sentence structure.
This isn't a first-gen SMG, it's like a third-gen. The first-gen SMGs are guns like the MP 18 and the Beretta M1918.
@@_ArsNova Yes WW1 had smgs but they were basically hens teeth rare in that conflict.
WW2 was the era of automatic fire standardization among section and platoon level elements. With Smgs rapidly becoming the defacto choice of NCOs.
@@clothar23 I don't disagree, but that's doesn't make the PPD a "first-gen SMG". It objectively is not.
One of the books I read about the Chosin said the 1st Marines would always grab the discarded renditions that were abandoned by the Chinese. Apparently a sought after weapon in those severe conditions.
I was really hoping you'd pull out a PPS-43 after the PPSh-41.
Why - Haven't you seen one before?
They look pretty much the same except for the holes in the barrel jacket.
15:12 The irony is that PPSH is made with stamped details and can't be manufactured in smaller workshops. And those smaller workshops used to manufacture PPDs behind german lines for partisan groups: simple work with pipes and spare/recovered 7,62 barrels, lots of wood avalible for stocks - and you got something better than a 20 gauge shotgun to go to war.
True, but the ridiculous scale of production achieveable in factories that do have stamping technology is simply not achievable with a more artisnal production style. Not that the people who recieved PPDs would have been complaining!
Influence of the so-called "great purge" in Red Army is highly exaggerated, and this myth was created after Khrushev anti-stalinist campaign.
Besides, everybody talking, that Soviet command started to think about SMGs only after Winter war, but it is not true.
USSR actually bought quite huge count of the Tompson SMGs from USA and widely used SMGs in the Middle-Asia Soviet Republics, where all 1920-30 Islamic warbands fought in the forgotten civil wars. The only nuance hides in fact, that those conflicts was mostly headache of NKVD and OGPU, but not of the Red Army itself, that why Tompson SMGs become a wepon of the Border Guard and Internal Troops, which was branches of NKVD.
Soviet leadership wanted their own SMG already in the 1920s, but problem was in fact, that only pistol ammo, which was in that time produced in USSR in large numbers, was 7.62 round for Nagant Revolvers, where projectile is seated below the mouth of the cartridge, with the cartridge crimp sitting just above the bullet. This is good for gas seal, but it is complete nightmare for any repeating mechanism.
Tokarev created first Soviet SMG for this ammo (model 1927), but for firing from this weapon you must prepare your 7.62x38 bullets for proper function by compression of the sleeve, and this factor limited production of this model by few hundreds (but some of them actually was used during WWII). Production of the new Tokarev 7.62x 25 ammo for new SMGs started in 1930s and increased not fast enough.
In 1929, the same Degtyarev had already developed his own submachine gun chambered for the 7.62x25 cartridge (TT, or perhaps it would be more correct to say at that time the Mauser cartridge). This experimental model repeated too many features of the light machine gun he developed, including having a flat-mounted disc magazine above the barrel and complications in the mechanics. It was a dead end to unify different weapons, and he had to make a new model. In total, 14 models of submachine guns from different designers were presented for testing by the commission of 1932-1933, where the PPD-34 was adopted. So the development of SMGs in the USSR was carried out for a long time and seriously.
Finnish Suomi brought nothing new except an obsession with drum magazines, an idea that was later abandoned as impractical, although drum magazines are iconographic for the depiction of Soviet fighters with PPD/PPSh. Suomi had a weight with a loaded magazine of more than 7 kg, an overcomplicated internal device that increased the cost and reduced the reliability of the weapon. Some Suomis even had a bipod installed, which shows that the Finns viewed it more as a light machine gun (but with a weak cartridge) than as a mass-produced automatic weapon.
I guess the attitude of the USSR towards Submachine guns was also based on their experience in WW1 and the Civil War and war against Poland. Instead of close quarter trench fights, they mostly fought mobile (if still mostly horse mounted) warfare over long distances and open terrain where you needed the range of a full scale infantry rifle or a machine gun to engage effectively.
It's like the Finns did them a favor. Smacking some sense into idotic Russian heads.
When Vilnius was captured by Polish forces on 17 April 1919 and Polish troops captured Minsk on 8 August 1919? )))
@@RobotN001Then The Russians recaptured all.
Bring it to Soviet Brutality after the regime change.
@@Chris_Garman One can hope right 🤣
Soviet Brutality would be 100% legit to run in, say, Kazakhstan or Moldova. No need for regime change
Thank you for this! Have you already uploaded your experience on Finnish Brutality?
Yes, and if you go over to Polenar Tactical there’s some secret “Bonus Material”.
Dude it makes me sick seeing youtube demonetize videos on Ian’s channel. These videos are purely historical and educational but all youtubes smooth brained staff can think is “oooga booga machine gun scary”
I watch all his content on utreon now. It's nice that there is an alternative. I came here to make a comment because utreon is still teething.
And yet I'm getting ads on this video.
@@ScottKenny1978 It probably all goes to google. Probably. Google is pretty shit.
@@odizzido which I believe is highly illegal, but it'd take one hell of a lawsuit to get any money back.
@@ScottKenny1978 Laws are only for poor people.
I can’t wait until you get your hands on a Bramitt suppressed version. Both are masterpieces.
Ian seemed to have an in with a major russian museum at the start of the year. Of course, the Ukrainian invasion changed that.
Thank you for the videos!
2:27 - If you're interested in the pronunciation: it's roughly "pis-tal-YET pu-lem-YOT deg-TYAR-yov-uh" (upper case = stressed syllables). Degtyarev is pronounced "deg-TYAR-yov" for the same reason Gorbachev is pronounced "GOR-ba-chov": that 'e' is actually an 'ё', which is pronounced 'yo'. Also, in the name of the gun, it's "deg-TYAR-yov-uh" and not just ""deg-TYAR-yov" because it's in genitive case, i.e. it's Degtyarev's machine pistol, not a machine pistol called "Degtyarev". Same thing with the PPSh-41: it's Shpagin's machine pistol, so it's "pis-tal-YET pu-lem-YOT SHPA-gin-uh".
Russian grammar - always fun times. :D
Stresses are not entirely true.
Both Degtyaryov (Дегтярёв) and Gorbachyov (Горбачёв) have ё letters in them. In russian if there's ё then stress is always put on it.
So pronunciation would be "Deg-tya-rYOv" and "Gor-ba-chYOv"
Would love to see Ian do a video on the common German use of captured Russian SMGs. Perhaps on his QandA video.
I see shades of Othias coming through, with keeping guns in your lap, almost as bottomless as Paul Harrell's jacket pockets.
Is it as good as the time Ian had a surprise folding shotgun?
That's definitely one I didn't know about. Can't wait for the range visit tomorrow! Thanks, Ian!
lovely timing, ian.
Когда командиры РККА говорили про винтовку, они говорили про СВТ.
Or Simonov -38
Used sub-machine gun dealer: This little gem has low round count and was used by a little old lady to deal with Nazis on Sunday. It's a cream puff, here take it for a spin...
Just to effort to help, not trying to be pedantic. During disassembly you called the selector the safety twice while removing the stock. I think most will realize this, but I know you try to keep your videos as factually correct as possible.
Only 455 comments on gun Jesus's video disappoints me
Great video - thank you Ian
I liked how diplomatic Ian was about Stalin 'asking' about russian submachine guns before he took over.
He had Beria grab up the guys responsible, tortured them in the lubyanka (KGB hq) and then shot them all before he took over.
Sudden video idea. Excusing invention times, if Russia fully adopted the 1895 Lever action instead of the Mosin, would lever actions be much more used in militaries around the world?
Ill have to make a video on that, what an interesting idea
No, because in a prone position, the lever is obstructive of follow up shots, especially the 1895, which I think has a ridiculous motion because of the length of the 7.62x54R cartridge(I haven't handled one personally, so if I'm wrong there I apologize), and a bolt doesn't do that
Don't get me wrong, I love the weapon, I want one, but the lever action was never going to see "professional" military usage after the bolt concept. I'm sure they're out there, everything is out there, as long as it shoots bullets its better than trying to stab a guy or beat him to death with a club.
@@Hamun002 Great points, reminds me of what Karl and Ian argued in their video about lever guns as early assault rifles and inherit military service problems.
@@Hamun002 Actually that would make a fun video to test too. See just how difficult it is to run a lever action while prone
By all means make a video if you find one in Russian caliber. It has been suggested that particular design heated up rapidly,it was of course originally intended for hunting,not extended firing in military use. Be interesting to find out if heating is an issue in reality.
@@Chris_Garman I'm always looking for new perspectives and outlooks. Tell me why you believe it to be the worst action?
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Already 100 views.
Actually, your pronunciation wasn't that bad. A native speaker would probably understand it well enough.
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Gun Jesus turns a PPD 40 into a PPSH 41
M-LOK on the barrel. Interesting.
Thank you for the video
PPSh is pronounced PehPehSHAH :) ППШ: П - "P" as in "pedal", Ш - "SH" as in "sh...t". PistolEt - pistol, PulemiOt - machine gun (literally a "bullet thrower"), Shpagin - the guy's name, he's named after a straight fencing sword "shpaga".
The PPD factory in 1939
Hey I heard we got a new boss?
Yes it’s Stalin.
I think militaries were scared about troops “wasting” too much ammo
Thank you for this video, hopefully anyone who says "haha Russians copy the Suomi to make PPSh" can come here and see the PPD from the early 1930s.
Looks like the Russians invented mlok before magpul.
How many submachine guns does Ian have on his lap?!
In Soviet Russia, flapper locks you!
LOL @ Ian's spot on impression of a old-school Russian "Fudd" 🤣😂 😎👍
"exiled, arrested" and out right killed.
In fact Tukhachevsky was SMGs biggest opponent, labelling it 'a police weapon'.
Great video, now let's watch it
Ian says that the PPsh-41 starts to be produced in early 1942.
I thought that it was a bit earlier, and on the day of German invasion in June 1941 some units already had it in small quantities, but still.
But I may be wrong.
The confusion with PPD-40 is easy to make, as the two look not so different.
PPD-40 was more common at June 1941. Maybe for recreation battles in the movies, the replicas of PPSh-41 would more easy for to find !
(RUS) Пулемёт [Pulemjot] = (CZE) Kulomet = (US) Bullet throwing/slinging device :D
PPSH-41: Who are you?
PPS-43: I’m you but, made before you.