The History of Robotech the Movie - "Now that's a Cannon Movie!"
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- A look into the history of Robotech the Movie and Robotech II: The Sentinels.
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Footage:
Robotech Complete Series Collection
Megazone 23 Anniversary Blu-ray
Robotech the Untold Story (uploaded to youtube by Fallconn666)
Remembering Sam Chu Lin (Uploaded by chrisbeacon)
Otaku Unite! (Macek interview)
The Last Moguls - Eye on Cinema (Documentary on Cannon Films)
Robotech - Galaxy of the Stars (Harmony Gold Archive)
Robotech Toy Showcase (Harmony Gold Archive)
Shanghai Robotech Convention (Harmony Gold Archive)
Information:
Robotech Art 3 - Book by Carl Macek
Anime Industry Interviews Episode 6: Carl Macek
• Anime Industry Intervi...
The Memory Matrix - Robotech the Movie Website
www.robotech.patlabor.info/ind...
Now That's a Cannon Film! Robotech the Movie - Article by Sean O'Mara
www.zimmerit.moe/cannon-films-...
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FYI, the Macek footage with the famous “Now that’s a Cannon Movie” quote came from the Cartoon Fantasy Organization’s Robotech 5 Year Retrospective in March of 1990. I shot that shaky footage myself. I also appear in this video, which was kind of a surprise. Lol
Macek footage?
@@apersonyoudontknow3346 The quote for "Now that's a cannon movie" is at 8:49
An actual legend
You were there when deep magic was written!
I can't get over how good of a story Macek managed to make out of footage just put in his lap like this, and having to deal with the fools at Cannon films.
"Here is three different anime series, make one story out of all of them" not only does he do it, but knocks it out of the damn park
I just found these videos watched the 3 in your Playlist. I really enjoyed them you broke it down into something I could understand. You did a better job the Dan over on his galaxy channel. I remember playing with Robotech toys (the cheapest ones you could get in 85) and I watched a few of the episodes. But I lived in Houston at the time and Dallas and Houston had a love hate relationship back then so Robotech wasn't something we got much of at the time so it wasn't something I got into. But I guess I have rambed enough. Have a wonderful day and thanks for the great videos
I actually saw Robotech The Movie during its test run in Dallas. At 9 years old, it pretty much blew my mind. Good times.
Man... since I was a little kid, I've imagined a world where The Sentinels was a full series we got to see. If only.... Great Video, Mercury Falcon!!!!
Ya know, a lot people bash on Robotech, but watching it, when I was 10yrs old, reading the books by Jack McKinney and having the toys, made me fall in love with anime.
Even finding out the harsh realities and truth behind the scenes, hasnt changed my love for the TV series that I rushed home from school to watch.
I read and loved the Robotech novels.
Same here, man. It will always have a special place in my heart.
@@fomalhauto I read them too. Still the best series of books for me.
Makes far more interesting than what typcally happens to movies and tv shows in America. But some of the shortcutting is typical of US entertainment where making a buck is more important than the quality of the feature or series.
We hate Harmony gold because they have done fuck all with the series while preventing any battletech series and Macross series with their constant lawsuits over something they don't actually legally own from thriving in the west. They even interfered with an American port of the Super robot wars games which was a crossover of Macross, gundam, Evangelion, Mazinger and a whole bunch of mecha anime that still continues to this day. They have been given many chances and they fuck it up all the time, its clear Carl Maeck was all the creativity they had to offer. Its time to let it go of the license. Also Genesis climber Mospheads, Megazone 23 and Macross will all be getting sequels by at least 2020.
twitter.com/giantrobo/status/1155332928848613378?lang=en
www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2019-03-24/megazone-23-reboot-project-only-remakes-part-i-and-ii/.144973
www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2019-09-28/macross-delta-zettai-live-anime-film-reveals-new-valkyrie-variable-fighter/.151637
We can be thankful to Carl Macek but fuck Harmony Gold. But I think should be more thankful to Shoji Kawamori since he is the creator of Macross and he has worked on the designs of G1 transformers, Escaflowne , Mobile suit Gundam, Armored Core, the original Space battleship Yamato and recently even devil may cry.
You should have mentioned the Robotech Novels !! They finished The Sentinels story through the novels ! And also The Robotech II The Sentinels comics too(that unfortunately never got completed, but came close) !!
this video has to do more with the movie rather than sentinels, their is no need to mention the novels, as they are their Own adaptation of sentinels, differing from the original scripts
LOVED THE NOVELS! I still have them all to this day!
The Jack McKinney authorship is another convoluted story. With another Star Wars connection, too.
@@crimsonmask3819 You said "another" Star Wars connection. What was the "first" Star Wars connection?
@@NightingaleSong I guess it's the episode of Southern Cross where they rip off the Death Star trench run.
Now, THAT'S a MercuryFalcon movie!
Where is history of robotech - part 4 ?
Yeah, I'd love to know what happens next. I'm sure it won't be pretty.
here's a part4
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@@knighteddrifter363 Not quite part 4 since that is all about the toys and made by an entirely different person.
@@jansolo69 if you look around the comments section you'll see MercuryFalcon is on record stating his part 4 is also going to be about the "30 year lawsuit". Also this is all a bad joke which is why I said "a part4" instead of "the part4"
I love both Robotech and Macross. Still my favorite anime toons.
I loved the Robotech series as a kid. As an adult, I bought the entire novel series. It was Epically Fantastic! It really went into depth about all of the characters personalities and motivations. Especially T.R. Edwards and the real reason why he hated Rick Hunter & Lisa Hayes.
Palladium Books arranged for the first release of The Sentinels on VHS as well. Great information and research for fans.
I.... I went to find part 4 and... nothing? I am sad. I was really looking forward to the conclusion of this series. As a lifelong Robotech (and later, Macross, SC and Mospeada) fan, there was so much information in these three parts that I didnt know! Thank you for bringing this information out in an accessible fashion... but please consider finishing the series with part 4! ^_^
edit: I just read your reply to john doe's comment. I apologize for beating a dead horse. I am very much looking forward to the final installment, whenever it comes out!
Any ETA on part 4? Loving these videos!
Well, wellm, well, here we are~
here's a part4
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@@knighteddrifter363 nope, not part 4 of this specific history (from Mercury Falcon)
@@MrMegaTruong I know, that's why I said "a" part 4 lol
@@knighteddrifter363 very fitting, a part 4 from another channel makes sense in this case! 🤣
Lots of guns, shooting, and robots is EXACTLY what I wanted when I was a teen in the 80s. I wonder if Macek was given more time and new animations he could of made a decent Robotech movie out of Megazone23. It's shocking to hear a final cut was made with a 24 hour deadline.
I always loved this series as a kid, but I hardly ever got to watch any of it, as for some reason the cartoon wasn't carried in my area. So I got to catch a few episodes whenever we went out of town.
I can remember my grandmother flipping out when she watched an episode with me. She said it was too violent.
I love ROBOTECH: THE MOVIE. It's a seriously underrated film, and could have become a cult classic had it not been screwed over during release and kept from the public eye so much.
It's so funny all these years later I still have such strong desire for more Robotech content.
Part 4 is now part of ongoing litigation, guaranteeing Robotech will live on. In a way.
Wait… REALLY?!
Let it die and let macross and battletech in
One point that stands out in all of this, the fact that they spliced together so many different anime was out of necessity and not because they truly wanted to. I think that the haters never realised that, and the fact that they founded a new place to attempt to release uncut dubs shows that they were truly interested in the shows.
Not to mention how impressive it is to actually be able to put together something of this sort. Power Rangers did similar, but the only things they actually re-used were the fight scenes. The fact that Robotech was able to make a coherent story from all this and only need a few custom segments drawn is impressive.
I completely loved Robotech. I watched it with my brother and I enjoyed the characters like Rick Hunter and Lisa Hayes and I really miss Robotech. It was an awesome story.
i loved this series. i remember all that hype in dallas fort worth i was 10 growing up in the area. i couldnt get anyone to take me to the theater.
The macek saga is amazing...that guy is a legend...cant wait for part 4 :) robotech is epic...
That first season was really where the best of this franchise was at. I'd love to see a modernization of this with the original characters and the core story intact. With the content they could make many seasons with the eventual meetings with the masters and Invid as major plot points in later seasons.
I never saw robotech the movie, but hearing more about the production probably is a good indication of the film’s quality. I did watch the ending of it on the megazone 23 blu ray and I was actually pretty surprised how good it looked, considering it could have been a cheap rushjob.
OH man, thanks for these stories. I got the see the Robotech Movie in Fort Worth and even have a Robotech Movie poster signed by Carl Macek! Got to meet him at my local comic book store before the movie.
February. 2021. It's getting close now, I can feel it. Part 4 will be released any day now =|
Most of the people who bash Harmony Golds Robotech didn't grow up with Robotech , They don't have the fond memories of coming home from school and watching this amazing show evolve week to week. Although I knew it was from Japan ( like a lot of kids TV shows back then ) , I didn't realize that the series was a mash up of 3 different series until 1986. This never tarnished my feelings about Robotech at all, even after watching the Japanese versions of Macross , Orguss , and Calvary Southern Cross. I also see comments about Battletech , FASA used Fang of the Sun ( Dougram ) and Crusher Joe mecha for their game , not only Macross. In any case ,@MercuryFalcon , this was a great series to watch , thanks for taking the time to do it. :)
Had no idea about all this background noise. Have so much respect for Carl Macek now, especially with those idiots he had to deal with.
Me too.
It brings back good memories. Was popular in South Africa in the 80s...
Loved Robotech when it came out in 1985 but didn't know anything about this back story of it all. But then i bought Macross: Do You Remember Love it came directly from Japan. The animation in it made Robotech look bad pretty much. You could see how much they loved making that movie in every scene. Afterward Robotech just went down hill Harmony Gold should have let go of thier fake license so someone else might have continued it in a good way, or in a different way through games or live action. In thier hands it just steadily died and left the US without any of the Macross Series for more then 30 years.
BigWest and Studio Nue should have Demanded that HG only use the Japanese Animation in its Entirety with Japanese Dialog & Music. and HG should have gotten the rights to the Gakken & Bandai toy molds.
@@markplott4820 I don't know the whole story but they bought rights from a company that didn't have the rights in the first place. HG's rights should be over in a few more years unless they make a new tv series or movies to keep the rights for longer.
@@yamatokira54 - Agree.
@@markplott4820 Still it's been 34 years without any type of Macross for americans except for Robotech which was just a collection of 3 different series cut together to make Robotech. Macross Saga was always my favorite. They had so many series past Macross that its not funny how much we missed out on because of HG.
@@yamatokira54 - what I cant Believe how gullible Studio Nue and Big West were to allow HG to make two OVA in the fiesr place, clearly RT the sentinels was a ripoff of Southern Cross.
bro, thank you, I appreciate the work you put into this.
Sigh.. western critics.. "there's too many girls"
- Said no anime fan ever..
Even in anime like New Game, it's less "too many girls" and more "where the hell are the guys?"
It wasn't even critics. It was executives from Canon Films.
Long time no see. I had almost given up on ever seeing you continue this.
As someone that's lived in the DFW area my entire life, I had no idea that there was a separate rating system back then. Good thing my parents didn't meet until the 90's, or else I might've had a worse childhood.
I hope one day, somehow the book(s) of Robotech all become animated. :D the Shadow Master thing was... eh. The masters movie I did know about. Really want them to redo all this but the right way!
Just watched all 3 of these over the last 2 days & I really enjoyed them. It's fun learning something new about Rotech. It's the animi gift that keeps giving. Very happy that I came across your channel. You've got me as a subscriber & a viewer & I look forward to watching more of your content.
I remember watching Robotech the movie in Dallas as a kid I was so confused about it...lol
A lot of work and research. Thank you for this video.
For me Robotech and Saint Seya are set in stone for ever.
@MercuryFalcon, what happened to part 4? I stumbled upon your series this morning & have been binge watching/listening to them. However, this video ends with “to be concluded” but I cannot find your part 4.
really good video!!! hope theres a part four!
Love this series will you ever do a part 4?
If everything had gone as planned, this stuff could've been amazing
Where is the story of Tatsunoko production part 3 ?
Great videos keep up the great work
Here I thought I knew everything there was to know about Robotech, but found out from your video that they planned on using the Shogo, Yui and B.D. characters from their dubbed version of Megazone 23 in the Sentinels. Now I don't have to wonder about the bizarre T.R. Edwards/B.D. Andrews similarity anymore. So, thank you.
Hopefully HG will lose exclusivity on the rights in a couple years and other companies can export Macross products outside of Japan including the sequels. If HG still wants to keep making Robotech products, maybe this will convince them to fund something worthwhile to give to Robotech fans instead of trying to sue anyone they think is infringing on their license. Shadow Chronicles was a decent attempt. The animation was consistent but the CG was incomplete, and let's just say that all the women were a little too well-endowed. The story was good and it was great to finally see an older Rick Hunter. It's too bad they haven't been able to fund the rest of the story.
Great video! Thanks! I remember wanting to see the movie so bad in 86 and it never released in Los Angeles. It took me 10 years to finally get a bootleg of it in the 90’s. Sad that Robotech ended the way it did. I would have loved to see The Sentinels as a daily tv show.
I approve :) Waiting for part 4
Can't wait to see your vid on Shadow Chronicles.
They hated the first cut of the film because it wasn't violent and action-packed enough, but at the same time they were expecting an audience of mostly children because it was a cartoon. I believe it; we're talking about the same production company that made a series of fairy tale adaptations in the 80s ("Cannon Movie Tales") and seriously considered having Hansel and Gretel end with the witch's house blowing up with explosives.
Anything after New Generation (MOSPEADA) I ignore. I love Robotech, and understand why Macek and Harmony Gold did what they did at that time with the original series, but continuing to cut up existing series to try to shoehorn it into the excellent original Robotech story line had to stop. Everything after New Generation was ridiculous. Sometimes you just have to know when to leave something alone and let it be what it is. Since Harmony Gold had at the time a good relationship with Tatsunoko, and they were willing to do new animation for them, they should have come up with a completely new and original show with Tatsunoko doing the animation. Instead, Harmony Gold is still flogging Robotech 30 years later, and suing everyone in sight over it. Sad.
As a teen, I watched Robotech and loved it, from there, I learned about Macross and anime in general. And I never looked back at Robotech, because it looked good, but the rehash of the script and all the splicing made it near unwatchable.
Well, it does seem to continue to work for Power Rangers
But Cannon Films is to blame here. They wanted to strike while the iron was hot. Too bad because if left alone and given more time to write the scripts, storyboards and animation just the advances in technology since most of the series were 3-4 years old by the time it was made into Robotech would have made it better.
I dislike everything Robotech and what it stands for.
the Japanese animation, voice acting and MUSIC !!!!!are all far Superior.
and the Japanese series, Macross, Southern Cross, Mospeda and Orguss are all Strong Enough to stand alone as Individual Series.
HG Today has NOT created anything new, simply Reusing OLD Themes and Plotlines and Reusing Chracters.
m e a n w h I l e Japan has created SEVERAL new Macross OVA , like MACROSS II , Macross Plus, Macross 7 and MACROSS ZERO, oh and Macross Delta.
Have to agree with Matt. It was my first "anime", and I ran into it in the 90's on VHS at a blockbuster.
I remember watching it when it aired in '85 because a friend at school told me about it and word of it spread quickly among us, we didn't know it then but we were about to become anime fans, leaving behind the stale animation style of Hanna-Barbara and Filmation for more interesting paths!!
You left out The Shadow Chronicles movie. They finally got it together for that one. Also the very popular RPG by Palladium. And the novels. They remain my favorite as they were my introduction to Robotech.
So is the 4th part of this going to talk about all these “30 years of lawsuits?”
yes
@@MercuryFalcon Part 4 is on the same release schedule as the live action movie, I'm assuming? Sometime after snowfall in hell?
@@Team503 rude!
@@MercuryFalcon Hey man, I really enjoyed the other three parts, but it's been over a year. What do you expect people to say?
@@Team503 here's a part4
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The movie was missing one simple ingredient: Chuck Norris.
YES! Part 3 FINALLY! jesus im early :P
Wow, it's been over 30 years and I still haven't seen Robotech the Movie or Megazone 23; I never had any desire because of what I've heard about them. And now I honestly have to say, I want to see them if only to witness what a Frankenstein creation it is. But hey, if you just try to get the Robotech continuity out of your mind, I suppose they're pretty cool. I'd like to state I prefer the original Japanese versions of the shows, but ... (tips fedora).
Alright part 3! Unfortunately I'll have to watch it later.
Subscribing for a possible part 4. Good stuff.
I'm glad to see that Tatsunoko was defending Macross at certain points that's good to know. This has been a fun and interesting delve into this bizarre history of a hodge-podge film creation Im glad I finally saw the truth of it all in glorious detail
Can't help but feel like they could've had Rick be General Reinhart during "Dark Finale" and "Symphony of Light" to try tying up most of the loose ends for what was then seen as the final episodes.
Any chance for a part 4 covering the music and voice actors of the show?
Was there ever a Part 4 to this series? Recently rewatched this again and I swore there used to be a Part 4. I thought I misremembered but then I saw the “To Be Concluded” sign and now I’m confused again…..
Well, there you have something wrong:
- Tatsunoko only have distributions rights to the Macross TV series from 1982, not from the movie Do You Remember Love?.
Those rights belong to Toho Company.
Although Tatsunoko is the executive producer of the film, they does not have the rights.
For the same reason, if Big West happens to make a remake of Macross TV, Tatsunoko would not have rights in that new series remake.
- The other things, is Onogi never write for Robotech.
The main reason why the designs and plots from Robotech II, was keep in secret in Japan, wasn't for the fans, was because Tatsunoko sell the rights from Macross, without permision of Big West, Studio Nue nor Artland.
I don't konow were you read that Hiroshi Onogi colaborate on Robotech II.
Is not on your link sources...
so basically, Canon fucked over the movie.
Maioly hard... sad thing is, this was nothing new for them. They were rather infamous for shit like that.
Never did got why Tatsunoko didn't let HG get the rights to "Do You Remember Love" with Robotech proving a success there. I doubt "Clash of the Bionoids" was worth it.
Though... I could've seen Megazone 23's adaptation being set on the SDF-3 and showing just what was going on during "Symphony of Light." As in, the new Super Dimensional Fortress contains an Earth City just like the original Macross to help preserve human culture and B.D. gets in the way of their return to their home planet in order to seize power for himself.
If they got animators for the new ending, they could add a subplot of Rick being detained by B.D. before Mark comes in to save them (perhaps write him as Rick and Lisa's son). Maybe show Scott arriving and bringing news of Earth's long awaited liberation, ending the whole series on a hopeful note.
Toho owned the distribution rights to the movie and sold those rights, along with a bunch of other anime movies, to different companies. Peregrine Films ended up with the Macross movie, which got dubbed in Hong Kong, and actually did run on TV in the US. It wasn't really Tatsunoko's fault. Toho was ahead of them in the rights order.
We actually now fully know the original plans for the "uncut" ver of Robotech the movie, I have some contacts who worked at HG, and the script (timed to a soundless-recut of megazone 23, as the script essentially states how it was to be cut) is avalible with some googleing. Not gonna say where, just look and you shall find.
I know it would be a difficult thing to comment on, but would you ever do a video discussing Robotech in The Brief Wonderous Life of Oscar Wao? It touched my oldtaku heart to see it referenced frequently and lovingly in a pulitzer prize winning novel
Robotech got screwed for being to real. Such a shame because a much as I love transformers, robotech was my favorite
I love it.
Pls make Part 4.
Sukehiro Tomita is most famous to me for his future Magical Girl genre word, being important to Sailor Moon, Wedding Peach and Kamikaze Kaitou Jeanne. Learning he was also connected to Robotech is fascinating.
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the most likely reason most be because the producers from Macross didn't like the idea of their anime being changed
from what I remember, they had an interview where somebody asked about Robotech and HG, and the response was that they hated the idea that people outside Japan weren't able to enjoy Macross in its original form, limiting the franchise reach due to HG blocking anything Macross related due to them still wanting to retain the IP for Robotech and continue planning that Live Action Movie that been in development hell as long as the Macross and Gundam Franchise combined
Anxiously waiting for part 4!
Did you ever make part 4?
Great job on all 3 parts, I’m curious to know what character and image is on the poster behind Carl Masec at the 13:25 min mark. Would love to see the whole image if anyone can post it
Its a poster for the anime convention its not an image from an anime
I enjoy your documentaries but checking facts and less opinions would make them better. G.I. Joe and Transformers came out before Robotech.
Micheal Perez my script was based on Carl Maceks account from his book. G.I. Joe did exist prior to 1985 but before Robotech aired the cartoon only consisted of two 5 episode miniseries. In September of 85 they produced 55 episodes for TV giving the series syndication and officially becoming a competitor.
As for Transformers I guess what Macek meant is that the series didn’t show up on his radar as a competitor but by the end of 85 it’s popularity had grown exponentially.
I just got robotech the movie on laserdisc but it's pal so I'm kind of a fucked is their a way to get the movie from the disc without a pal player?
Hey, any update on Part 4 of this drama? Thanks.
Too bad that bad decisions were followed by bad decisions. They got stuck in a flawed compromise which required ever larger shoehorns to try to make a way forward.
Robotech should have went the Toonami route. Robotech should have been a platform for all Japanese animation.
Macek did a lot of good. The voice talent and incidental music he used was the best heard In TV animation in two decades.
His narrative approach was sadly too narrow, and restrictive.
He realized this I think, and this is why he helped to found Streamline.
He improved Southern Cross and Mospeda which is a good thing in my book. Also, he needed the large episode count to even get it on TV to begin with, not like he combined them for the lulz. Toonami also wasn’t an option in the 80s.
You mean Macross right?
So where did macross plus movies. .come in. Anything on those or the orgun movie or gus's ?
I may be late to the party, but would you or could you do a video on shadow chronicles? It concludes the third part of robotech but it was made years later. It tells the last few episode up and after the reigess leaving from the POV of the robotech fleet.
in this time of nostalgia and remade classics like voltron and thundercats ( with varying success), I would love to see a three season remake of Robotech on something like netflix or hulu.
It's such a shame what has happened to this franchise.
history of robotech - part 4 Plz
Is Part 4 still coming?
This is very boss👍
Where is part 4?
Will you do shadow chronicle
So... can we expect part 4 anytime soon?
Is there a Part 4 of this Saga yet?
I didn't know about this movie! Love saved by Science! :D
I wish we lived in the universe where robotech sentinels finished its run instead of the movie existing
What's the song @10:04 ?
It's Love Stone, a vocal song from Mospeada. Beautiful song.
And still waiting on my live action movie 2019 aug , lets count the years
Keep counting! 😏
Lots of guns, Lots of shooting, and Lots of robots. 'Now THAT is A Cannon movie!'
We want part 4!
It’s interesting none of these history videos ever mention the Jack McKinney novels which do complete the story of the Sentinels and attempt to offer a conclusion with The End of the Circle. The novels improve on all the flaws of the cartoons and offer a complete story in a more fleshed out form. One of my favorite book series ever.
Its a shame the art for the covers is terrifying
Officially, the OVA is called Megazone Two Three, not Megazone Twentythree.
Did someone call it twenty three?
@@MercuryFalcon I think the video did. In the Megazone anime, Megazone 1 is Earth, while Megazone 2 and Megazone 3 is two sides of the starship everyone is living in and nobody knows it is a spaceship.
@@stanleyteriaca2184 I double checked to see if I lost my mind and said twenty three and I didn't. Macek also says 2-3 correctly.
@@MercuryFalcon It is then my fault. I must of misherd it while watching it. Sorry.
@@stanleyteriaca2184 one of the sides is uninhabited due to a miscalculation, causing another Megazone ship to colide with it