The Truth About "Superhero Fatigue"

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    So, there’s been a lot of talk as of late about the idea of “superhero fatigue.”
    With movies like Ant Man and the Wasp: Quantumania and Shazam: Fury of the Gods underperforming at the box office, a lot of people have been concerned that general audiences may have moved on from costumed heroes. But I don’t know if that’s really the case.
    It’s something that I’ve been thinking about for a while, and while there’s definitely some shift happening, I think that it’s more complicated than just “people are tired of superheroes now.” I think it has more to do with the filmmaking standard, and after 2022 in blockbusters with Top Gun: Maverick, Avatar: The Way of Water, Everything Everywhere All At Once, Nope, even Matt Reeve’s The Batman, audiences are asking for more when it comes to blockbusters and superhero media.
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  • @troyoboyo17
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  • @twunt9688
    @twunt9688 ปีที่แล้ว +1633

    I don't think people are sick of superhero movies I just think people are sick of bad movies

    • @kevinhugo6737
      @kevinhugo6737 ปีที่แล้ว +56

      Literally.

    • @status_quo_post
      @status_quo_post ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Exactly

    • @DarkLord-hl1fi
      @DarkLord-hl1fi ปีที่แล้ว +99

      The Batman literally came out a year ago and it made good money and was praised and nobody said superhero movies are dying

    • @HarpreetSingh-jd3tu
      @HarpreetSingh-jd3tu ปีที่แล้ว +11

      100%, thank you! Agreed!

    • @lennyztrobos8678
      @lennyztrobos8678 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      Yes. I'll add that some mediocre superhero movies that should have done poorly, ended up doing fine just because they where part of the MCU and like, required viewing at that point. THAT is something I think people are sick of.

  • @BrendanJSmith
    @BrendanJSmith ปีที่แล้ว +975

    We're not tired of superheroes in general. We're tired of Disney and by extension Marvel's assembly line approach to filmmaking. Nothing feels personal anymore.

    • @caramelcandys
      @caramelcandys ปีที่แล้ว +75

      Yea like I thought i had superhero fatigue after endgame but then i saw the batman 2022 and watched some older superhero movies like watching superman for the first time and rewatching man of steel after 6 years and realized i was tired of the sameyness of the mcu and wanted them to diversify their tones and be more sincere. Even then i was sick and tired of quips

    • @Antwannnn
      @Antwannnn ปีที่แล้ว +33

      Still wrong. You're tired of bad quality. That's it. Bc when the "assembly line" movies were good for a decade there were little complaints, correct? Then you get the mediocrity of Phase 4 now all of a sudden the "assembly line" is the problem lol

    • @ilovehotlatinas5725
      @ilovehotlatinas5725 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      @@Antwannnn the early phase mcu movies still felt different from eachother and imo was the best time for the mcu quality wise

    • @owlcircus6811
      @owlcircus6811 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@Antwannnn​Thank you. No one else thinks about this because they don’t have to because the internet is their side, therefore so is the world so why do they need to think otherwise? People shitting on the MCU for its current state and praising stuff like The Batman and Joker JUST for its “personal touch” make me laugh at the whole Batman v Superman vs Civil War fiasco where most people (and audiences by box office measure) just said, “why don’t you do what marvel is doing because they clearly know what they’re doing”
      But it’s only wrong NOW because they don’t have the same quality despite their doing business the same way since 2012
      Some of these people lack self awareness

    • @caramelcandys
      @caramelcandys ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@Antwannnn that and the fact that phases 1-3 were all leading up to something and it all felt like they contributed to the world they were building helped. Phase 4 and so far of 5 has been stuff that doesn’t really lead to something and has been extremely disconnected. If they shook things around and made all the movies tone wise extremely different then i would see it as a new avengers storyline

  • @firstlast9846
    @firstlast9846 ปีที่แล้ว +805

    *The one thing I liked about James Gunn’s DC pitch* was that he mentioned how creatives come in talking about “I wanna do something ambitious” then the end product is something so “safe” you can tell the studio meddled with everything… so to see that he’s focusing on the more introspective comics as reference - - is as ambitious as it gets - fills me with hope that this DCU will go crazy.

    • @moviesaredope
      @moviesaredope ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Well freaking said, I can't wait to experience their new slate of projects 🤩

    • @averydee5328
      @averydee5328 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I remember him saying that as well.

    • @have345
      @have345 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      More like bad movie fatigue

    • @michaelriverside1139
      @michaelriverside1139 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      That he actually proves his point with the bonkers, yet meaningful stories of The Suicide Squad & Peacemaker makes me excited to see how is he going to approach and collaborate upon Swamp Thing and Supergirl, specially since he mentions Vertigo's Saga of the Swamp Thing and Woman of Tomorrow as direct inspiration for the films...
      Oh, and the way he simply geeks-out when talking about The Authority, makes me wanna se that movie despite knowing nothing about it!

    • @moviesaredope
      @moviesaredope ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@michaelriverside1139 same! His excitement is freaking infectious (and I'm currently rewatching TSS & Peacemaker - them both being, as you said, so bongers & yet so meaningful feels like a gift (and a miracle, considering WB's history of meddling))

  • @JaySpiderPop30
    @JaySpiderPop30 ปีที่แล้ว +624

    I’m still excited for “Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse.”

    • @galactic85
      @galactic85 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      At this point I'm only excited to see that, Superman: Legacy, Batman Part 2 and Swamp Thing.

    • @jambogames678
      @jambogames678 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Everyone and their Gran is excited for it

    • @AaidnStudios
      @AaidnStudios ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@galactic85 you telling me you ain’t hyped for the movie that change animation and is one of the best Spider-Man movies

    • @QUBIQUBED
      @QUBIQUBED ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@AaidnStudiossome people don’t like animated movies

    • @ooffordays566
      @ooffordays566 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@AaidnStudios no, that person is saying they're excited to see Across the Spider-Verse AND the other three films. Note "that" at the beginning of the list. It's implying the film that was already mentioned.

  • @thomasbicknell175
    @thomasbicknell175 ปีที่แล้ว +91

    Jay Bauman said it best; “The fatigue only sets in when the movies are lame”

  • @IzayaLee1725
    @IzayaLee1725 ปีที่แล้ว +231

    Honestly you hit the nail on the head with it
    It's not a fatigue of Superheroes themselves it's a fatigue of them constantly getting shoved into mediocre movies
    Also I'd love for you to cover more video game stuff

    • @maazabbasi9174
      @maazabbasi9174 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah I'd love if he'd maybe cover the Sonic movies and maybe even throw a pitch for the upcoming third movie. I think that'd be cool.

    • @Kacpa2
      @Kacpa2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Except people are also tired of superhero movies. There are too many and no original idea films. And its littering cinemas endlessly.

  • @Robbity
    @Robbity ปีที่แล้ว +46

    See I think Guardians 3 definitely disproved the “people are tired of superhero movies”. That movie is killing it financially and critically. I think they are just sick of sloppily put together like Quantumania.

    • @angellara7040
      @angellara7040 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      And then flash fell on its face

    • @overportfilms
      @overportfilms 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bro guardians of the galaxy vol. 3 is a sci-fi/adventure film set in space. No body has super powers, most of them are aliens. I have superhero fatigue. People flying around in capes gets boriing after a while...bring back gritty crime thrillers or any other genre apart from horror that is no longer in the mainstream becomes of an oversaturation of boring ass superheroes...

  • @thelittleorangefriend393
    @thelittleorangefriend393 ปีที่แล้ว +319

    My biggest issue with superhero movies at the moment is that they’re more focused on the wider story rather than the characters. I loved the Netflix shows because they didn’t feel like they were building towards anything. Sure, they were working towards The Hand, but even still they focused more on the characters. The Batman… built towards NOTHING. Just hinted at some stuff to come. Absolutely fantastic movie. The winter soldier, while still building towards the bigger story, focused more on characters, and that movie was at the top of my MCU ranking for a while

    • @HarpreetSingh-jd3tu
      @HarpreetSingh-jd3tu ปีที่แล้ว +16

      true, also this world building creates problem on its own which you mentioned. The movie we are watching doesnt mean anything... its actually just a long trailer for the next movie.

    • @Nevad25
      @Nevad25 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Agree with what you said. I loved that the focus of The Batman was Bruce Wayne himself and his journey, the emphasis is put on the characters and their development

    • @Jane-oz7pp
      @Jane-oz7pp ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@Nevad25 which also allowed for Matt Reeves to actually explore the themes a little

    • @wesleywyndam-pryce5305
      @wesleywyndam-pryce5305 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I sure hope I'm not in the minority to disagree with the ENTIRE sentiment of what you said.
      the movies are bad in part because they are stretched too thin making things that don't lead into the rest and in doing so are making just too many things. the shows were the first major flaw of the franchise

    • @Bustermachine
      @Bustermachine 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The way I've heard it described is that the success of the MCU has lead to each subsequent film becoming more and more nothing but an advertisement for the subsequent installment, which is in turn and advertisement for the installment after that. It's a literal hype train, with each movie being another train car.

  • @IcyDiamond
    @IcyDiamond ปีที่แล้ว +129

    Finally someone else noticed that every single Marvel movie since phase 4 has had one of the villains redeemed, I thought I was the only one who noticed that!

    • @jacobfuller-lewis5528
      @jacobfuller-lewis5528 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bar ant man

    • @IcyDiamond
      @IcyDiamond ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@jacobfuller-lewis5528 M.O.D.O.K.

    • @jacobfuller-lewis5528
      @jacobfuller-lewis5528 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@IcyDiamond oh yeah forgot he was in it

    • @gazem_3211
      @gazem_3211 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jacobfuller-lewis5528 That was Phase 5, not 4

    • @gazem_3211
      @gazem_3211 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jacobfuller-lewis5528 Oh, nvm, my bad, sorry.

  • @invisiblefan2387
    @invisiblefan2387 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    I’m not tired of superhero movies. I’m just tired of the ones we’ve been getting.

  • @suicidalloafofbread2009
    @suicidalloafofbread2009 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    People have been talking about "Superhero fatigue" for like a decade now. I think if superhero movies were more focused on the individual stories they can tell rather than the universe, I think people wouldn't be as critical about the "superhero genre"

    • @FINNSTIGAT0R
      @FINNSTIGAT0R 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I don't get why is it so important for the audiences to have a cinematic universe of any kind. I know why studios like the idea, but what's the intrigue for the viewer?
      But then again I've never much cheered for crossovers and collaborations anyway 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @jdogisgoated
    @jdogisgoated ปีที่แล้ว +101

    I'm not tired of superheroes so much as I'm tired of the connected universe stuff. You can have characters like Spider-Man exist in a world where Iron Man and Hulk also exist without making them team up every movie or set up three other movies/shows.

    • @TanmanC
      @TanmanC ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah that’s a good point. I think what made early MCU great is that they did the team up stuff sparingly, which made it standout more

    • @Bustermachine
      @Bustermachine 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think there's a certain critical mass to even a successful interconnected universe. After which you're just juggling too much stuff and those serendipitous team ups no longer give the fans a dopamine rush. As much as TH-cam seems to be losing its mind about Super Hero fatigue. That tends to be what happens with Fads. They run for about a decade, getting bigger and bigger, until they eventually flame out and begin to decline, limping along until something else displaces them.
      That 's not to say Super Hero movies will disappear. They'll just hopefully return to being one genre among many.

  • @nerdgeekman
    @nerdgeekman ปีที่แล้ว +174

    This is why I’m glad The Boys and Invincible exist. They both take a different turn on comic book media and they’re both highly accessible unlike the MCU where you have to watch one thing in order to understand the other.

    • @langreeves6419
      @langreeves6419 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Invincible is amazing.

    • @valletas
      @valletas ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The boys show is great but the comics suck

    • @salvadorHombre
      @salvadorHombre ปีที่แล้ว +11

      The Boys, crucially, isn't a superhero story. It has a whole bunch of ideas about Fascism, Celebrity culture, Capitalism, etc. But it's not a Superhero story.
      Invincible is a Superhero story but told in a subversive, dark way while still being sincere.
      I wouldn't count The Boys as Superhero media. The fact that they're superheroes is tangential to the main themes. Invincible is a bonafide superhero story.

    • @valletas
      @valletas ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@salvadorHombre its funny because the boys comic is 100% a superhero story
      Like they are fighting villains in the corrupted superheroes, they make a team to fight against them and even get superpowers to do it
      The guy who made the boys clearly didnt like the superhero genre but i will always find funny how in his attempt to dismantle the genre he made a generic superhero story

  • @rockleesankleweights1268
    @rockleesankleweights1268 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    People aren’t tired of Superhero movies, they’re tired of movies that are essentially treated like sitcom episodes. It’s actually so refreshing seeing a movie that IS the project. Like it’s so rare for a single film to be something that everyone involved seems to truly care about and not just part of the job

    • @southlondon86
      @southlondon86 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      People are tired of superhero kids crap. They want good movies back.

    • @overportfilms
      @overportfilms 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have superhero fatigue. People flying around in capes gets boriing after a while...bring back gritty crime thrillers or any other genre apart from horror that is no longer in the mainstream becomes of an oversaturation of boring ass superheroes...

  • @joanee.mp4
    @joanee.mp4 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    the camera zooms on your superhero stuff were inspired

  • @thadmaster7
    @thadmaster7 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    James gunn said he's giving directors of his DC universe more creative freedom so I say in terms of variety, superhero movies may have a brighter future

  • @MrReset94
    @MrReset94 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The issue is not the "Cinematic Universe", but rather the idea that everything that's part of it needs to be made in the exact same way. Give directors freedom to do the movie they want (hire good ones, and good writers) and just find the way to tie this diverse movies together through the general arc and the shared world, rather than style and tropes.

  • @bat123ice
    @bat123ice ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Barry from HBO needs more coverage honestly. It deserves more appreciation than it gets . A Must see show!

    • @suto5704
      @suto5704 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Season 4 has been great. Bill Hader really is that guy

    • @TanmanC
      @TanmanC ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes! 100% agree, such a good show!

    • @TanmanC
      @TanmanC ปีที่แล้ว

      @@suto5704 yeah man, he is! I’ve been loving Bill ever since SNL

  • @undeadbean207
    @undeadbean207 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    We need to see more superhero films like Werewolf by Night, not just in the horror sense (although that would be nice), but with unique styles of filming, writing, acting, etc. Like you said, not every movie needs to be an action/comedy with the virtually same plot.

    • @goj1_lag00n
      @goj1_lag00n ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's impressive how the composer made the best Marvel movie of Phase 4.

    • @fabioj2353
      @fabioj2353 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Pin this comment no one talks about Werewolf and it’s the best product the MCU has made imo.

  • @willcooper8028
    @willcooper8028 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    There is no superhero fatigue, only fatigue for the Marvel style of superhero filmmaking

    • @langreeves6419
      @langreeves6419 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      That seems to be right....
      But Marvel made a very different movie, with less humor. It was a good movie, but Fandom lost their S%$* about it.
      So after The Eternals, Marvel went back to their standard movies.
      The fans SAY they want something different, but obviously the fans want the same movie over and over.

    • @vannyddd
      @vannyddd ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@langreeves6419 the Winter Soldier is regarded as one of the best mcu films, and is known for having less humor. The Eternals would’ve needed a tv show if it wanted to tell it’s story properly

    • @langreeves6419
      @langreeves6419 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @vannydd it was a self contained movie, it needed no TV show
      The winter soldier was a standard m c u movie
      The eternals was something different.
      And fans do not want something different.

    • @willcooper8028
      @willcooper8028 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@langreeves6419 I don’t think this is true. People dislike the eternals simply because they think it’s bad. Fans really liked werewolf by night which is clearly different.

    • @rioluna6058
      @rioluna6058 ปีที่แล้ว

      there is superhero fatigue. and marvel disney fatigue . international numbers are way down . . saludos

  • @phantomgamer9264
    @phantomgamer9264 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Video game adaptions are definitely the next big trend. Mario is hitting a billion soon, people were praising The Last of Us, Sonic 3 is coming next year and Ghost of Tsushima is getting hyped up by its director

    • @gamehero6816
      @gamehero6816 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Don't forget Arcane.

    • @EclipsingTNT
      @EclipsingTNT ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@gamehero6816 Arcane is a terrible example as it's a canonical prequel to League of Legends.

    • @crazysmith5408
      @crazysmith5408 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@EclipsingTNT It’s still an adaptation of the video game exploring League’s often overlooked lore. Not a good film, but would you not say the Uncharted film isn’t a video game adaptation because it’s a prequel. There both projects adapted based off a video game, which is all that’s really needed to adapt a video game more. The Mario movie is also a prequel, where Mario is learning about the Mushroom kingdom.

    • @TanmanC
      @TanmanC ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes I 100% agree! Maybe the Nintendo Cinematic Universe will be the next big thing

    • @wesleywyndam-pryce5305
      @wesleywyndam-pryce5305 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      sonic and Mario are memes, not good movies. but they make money so yeah probably

  • @gazem_3211
    @gazem_3211 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    If Guardians or Spider-verse flop, then that will truly signify Superhero fatigue imo. But luckily, neither look to be failing.

    • @Antwannnn
      @Antwannnn ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What do you consider a flop?

    • @MahNamJeff
      @MahNamJeff ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@Antwannnn loss of money

    • @Antwannnn
      @Antwannnn ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@MahNamJeff naaah you'd be surprised the way people would say, "Avatar 2 will be a flop if it doesn't make more than 2 billion," but then they turn around and act as if Black Adam was a success. Straight up coo coos

    • @themanofshadows
      @themanofshadows ปีที่แล้ว +11

      If those movies flop it’s not because they’re superhero movies, but rather bad movies. Superhero fatigue isn’t a thing, just like anime fatigue isn’t a thing; people will always rush to the theaters to see these kinds of movies because the market is so large for them. People are still excited for the next The Batman movie, the next Avengers film, Sony SpiderVerse, the new James Gunn DCU slate, Deadpool 3 etc… and people will go see them. The fatigue is in the quality of the movies, not the genre of movie. If all the MCU Phase 4 movies were actually good and well made (encouraging more people to see them and thus making better box offices), ‘superhero fatigue’ would be out of the picture.

    • @MahNamJeff
      @MahNamJeff ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@themanofshadows The entire point of this comment is the fact that those movies are almost guaranteed to be good

  • @biazacha
    @biazacha ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Multiverse of Madness hyping itself up as the “scariest movie of the MCU” just to not deliver really killed a good part of my enjoyment watching it. The Talocans introduction in Wakanda Forever alone was more bone chilling than the “horror” entry of MCU.

    • @teddybear8348
      @teddybear8348 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Imagine the kind of sence with vampires in mcu blade with the R rated and see vampires bring completly carnage on a village on human beings in silence and will play iut like a very creepy and disturbing almost like it was riped off from a horror manga

  • @femmedracula6857
    @femmedracula6857 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I really like your pov on this. Especially after TH-cam's been throwing "the MCU is doomed" videos at me for weeks. I would love to see the MCU take more risks, but also I still like at least some of what's coming out.

  • @trevturp6891
    @trevturp6891 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Actually, after the success of Blade, X-men, and Spider-Man, we saw a huge surge in comic book adaptations.

  • @wiredant6497
    @wiredant6497 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I have to admit that other movies like Elvis, Top Gun: Maverick, and Bullet Train we’re fairly good movies and I’d argue, better than recent Marvel and DC movies (except The Batman, No Way Home, Wakanda Forever)

    • @haruhirogrimgar6047
      @haruhirogrimgar6047 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      As much as everyone adores Everything Everywhere All at Once, Bullet Train was probably my favourite movie of 2022.
      (EEAAO is great, but I just couldn't resonate with the message).

  • @MiroWallinFanboy
    @MiroWallinFanboy ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Three fantastic videos in a week? It's like christmas came early! Really early...

    • @troyoboyo17
      @troyoboyo17  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you! I’m so tired

    • @mightymorphingpo
      @mightymorphingpo ปีที่แล้ว

      @@troyoboyo17 remember me

    • @MiroWallinFanboy
      @MiroWallinFanboy ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@troyoboyo17 don't overwork yourself Troy, we all will still love your content!

  • @taruha89
    @taruha89 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I don’t trust the riddler

  • @uchihabomber1296
    @uchihabomber1296 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I also believe that people after watching so many superhero movies now have incredibly higher standards for these movies now. Also suddenly everybody is just an expert in CGI now for some reason which gets annoying at some points

  • @alexjustalexyt1144
    @alexjustalexyt1144 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    In my experience and in my case, it's not superhero fatigue, badmovie fatigue or even MCU fatigue, it's just movie fatigue. I think this is what some, not all, people have and don't even realize it. Think about it, for most of our history we never consumed as much media as we do now. Consuming media was (mostly) restricted to shows with certain times you could watch it at and theaters before it goes into DVDs and all of sudden we don't have that anymore. We have so much content that we can't keep up with, everyone is always watching a new movie or a new series and catching up with anything that came before. Everyone has watched everything and somehow the people making movies and shows have to create something new? This is just my opinion and my experience.

  • @CineflickProductions
    @CineflickProductions ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I can definitely agree 2022 was a fantastic year for movies

    • @rommix0
      @rommix0 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Definitely for both live action and animated films. 2022 was the year dreamworks beat out disney. Imagine that.

  • @userpersonwhoisahuman
    @userpersonwhoisahuman ปีที่แล้ว +2

    BABE WAKE UP NEW TROYOBOYO VIDEO

  • @HILLSIDECOMICS
    @HILLSIDECOMICS ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Would love to see "The Spider-Verse-ification of animation" talking about the style influencing Puss In Boots The Last Wish, Elemental, TMNT Mutant Mayhem, etc

  • @dockingtwo3403
    @dockingtwo3403 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another great video as always Troy (haven’t seen it yet so I’m just trusting it’ll be good)

  • @heroicgangster9981
    @heroicgangster9981 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I don't have a fatigue for superheroes, BUT I do have a fatigue for Disney+ Marvel shows that always feel like they fall short in being tv shows due to the mini series format. I loved Moon Knight ...... The last episode shows the biggest problem of Disney+ mini series's. And the fact they had to cut down on a whole fight scene that was recorded. Stunts with the actual actors being removed. I'm kinda just tired of the high budget cinema aesthetic holding back superhero shows from being shows. (and it applies to star wars live action shows as well)

  • @realMG420
    @realMG420 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I’d love to hear more of your thoughts on the Zelda series, especially with Tears of the Kingdom about to drop and already being a very, very big deal. I don’t think I’ve ever been more excited for anything in my entire life, and that’s saying something considering we got Infinity War, Endgame, The Batman, the entire MCU Spidey trilogy, and so many other outstanding projects in recent years. More TV show content would be a welcome addition too!

  • @DezMarivette
    @DezMarivette ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Oh man I had superhero fatigue all the way back in 2004. I didn’t know what I was in for.

  • @jelliotc8239
    @jelliotc8239 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love how troyo has gotten so good at writing heroic speeches in the Spidey and superman prewrites that they're just dropping them at the end of regular videos now. Everything they write goes so hard goddamn

  • @geezburgers
    @geezburgers ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Western superheroes may be oversaturated, but there’s a lot of international hero stories yet to be popularized. Kamen Rider is probably the best example of a long, superhero franchise that has managed to stay fresh for about as long as Spider-Man and the Avengers have. I would suggest checking out any Kamen Rider show.

  • @TrendyTrenty
    @TrendyTrenty ปีที่แล้ว

    I love your channel so much, keep putting out good shit like this and you'll have my unrelenting viewership

  • @animalkid4001
    @animalkid4001 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    COVER SCOTT PILGRIM PLEASE!!! not enough people are talking about it. It is amazing, and I know you like it too.

  • @alexallen9640
    @alexallen9640 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice discussion and topic. I like your perspective. Could you talk sci-fi and kaiju movies please?

  • @ZStorm
    @ZStorm ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I would love to see a video on you talking about Netflix and it's weird relationship with animation. Scott Pilgrim the anime was announced and Big Mouth was recently cancelled, would this be a sign for good things to come?

  • @McLovin-zf7wq
    @McLovin-zf7wq ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There’s a reason why the Sam Raimi Spider-Man films are still, to this day, the best superhero films ever made and that’s because they’re not even superhero films. They’re life lessons disguised as superhero films and that’s why they’re so impactful even after all this time. Marvel movies lack passion, they don’t bother connecting with audiences anymore, they’re just made to carry the plot forward and lead into the next huge crossover. I think what’s missing in all the marvel movies is showing how these superheroes uplift and inspire the people around them. My favorite scenes in the Raimi films are the ones where the citizens of New York stand up to the villains to back Parker up (bridge scene in 1 and train scene in 2) and we just don’t see that kind of storytelling in Marvel today.

  • @clyde1229
    @clyde1229 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I literally can't watch MCU anymore, but at least I'm still hyped for Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse and The Batman: Part II

    • @TheFunnyGuy9000
      @TheFunnyGuy9000 ปีที่แล้ว

      Will you be watching GOTG vol 3?

    • @clyde1229
      @clyde1229 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheFunnyGuy9000 yeah, tommorow. I heard its pretty good

  • @fakehappyfilms
    @fakehappyfilms ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You should talk more horror. I loved your Prey review last year and I saw your Letterboxd review for Evil Dead Rise. I'd love to see you go more in depth on that underrated genre!

  • @thesuperframe
    @thesuperframe ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Perfect video, hit every nail on the head 😮‍💨

    • @troyoboyo17
      @troyoboyo17  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks so much dude! I may or may not have stolen a little bit from what I said in our collab last year lol

  • @joshturner7400
    @joshturner7400 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Troy, you talked in the past about covering the Scream franchise… please do that! 🤞🏻Especially with the 6th film recently being a hit, would be great to see your takes on the films!

  • @bochatube
    @bochatube ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "Wonderwoman 1984... one of the last superheroes movies of the last few years" thats was really good😂

  • @patrickwhidborne5439
    @patrickwhidborne5439 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a good video, I’m glad I watched it

  • @youngd7933
    @youngd7933 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I can 100% support your opinion on this. There were some bad choices made by the heads of Marvel etc that led to some “mid” movies, but I think if those good movies start to roll out again, people will love it.
    And I would love to see some videos about video game design. Especially your recent Daredevil essay was amazing imo :)

  • @noeysnowy14
    @noeysnowy14 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think your right with people not feeling superhero fatigue, but people being tired of bad movies. I think Marvel Studios thought it was impenetrable and could just churn out mediocre stuff and everything would be fine. Turns out that didn’t happen. I just hope marvel starts making good superhero movies again!

  • @Alucard2091
    @Alucard2091 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Guardians of the Galaxy Vol.3 didnt failed me. I'm so excited for another superhero film like TMNT Mutant Mayhem & Spider-Verse 2

  • @joshcowdrey7894
    @joshcowdrey7894 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’d love to hear you discuss some horror movies!

  • @TotallyActing
    @TotallyActing ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There’s definitely superhero fatigue, just bc a Spider-Man movie does good doesn’t mean there isn’t superhero fatigue, those characters already have huge fan bases

  • @LuckyNapalm
    @LuckyNapalm ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You should cover horror, as you said we’ve just been winning recently

  • @TanmanC
    @TanmanC ปีที่แล้ว

    Love that you shouted out Dungeons and Dragons, it’s such a fun film! I’ve never played it but I really liked it!!

  • @benjaminwitham8142
    @benjaminwitham8142 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think guardians of the galaxy vol 3 and spiderman across the spiderverse will hopefully change the perception of superhero fatigue as these look to be having that extra special something that stands out among the crowd that has kinda been missing from prior superhero films having that emotional resnonace at there core with the characters we go along on this journey with is integral to the experience like what top gun maverick and avatar the way of water successfully was able to achieve

  • @zachryder3150
    @zachryder3150 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The idea that superhero media will see a decline isn't an interesting prediction. What then, it becomes the *second* biggest genre of media on film and television?

  • @Danmarinja
    @Danmarinja ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When it turned out that AMATW, a movie I really didn’t like, only contributed ‘Paul Rudd and Evangeline Lilly share a single glance in the finale’ I realised watching movies for homework was a terrible attitude and it’s saved me from watching movies that I’m just not that jazzed to see.

  • @RR75_
    @RR75_ ปีที่แล้ว +1

    man... i never thought of this "super hero movies arent a genre" and you couldnt be more right. I think even the directores that get chosen to make these movies dont get this thats why these recent movies end up feeling kind of the same. anyway, great video, spittin facts!

  • @nameless_rambler
    @nameless_rambler ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Please cover Matt Reeves ‘Let Me In’!
    I rewatched it yesterday and it was absolutely phenomenal, it deserves more attention.

  • @jaimeanthony
    @jaimeanthony ปีที่แล้ว

    i’m a huge Resident Evil fan, you talked about horror a couple times… maybe you can talk about the RE movies, games, and remasters?

  • @richardarmfield6769
    @richardarmfield6769 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think the next boom will be animation because the technology is improving continuously and different styles are beginning to surface, eg. Puss in boots had a very unique animation style that made it look almost hand painted, not to mention the Spider-man into the spider verse unique comic book looking approach. The trailer to its sequel shows how the spider verse will incorporate many different artistic animation styles going forward, and as tech improves animation will have close to unlimited potential and I for one can't wait!!

  • @matthewoconnor2628
    @matthewoconnor2628 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    you should make a video about Scream, I know you’re a big fan. A scream 7 Prewrite would be sooooooo cool.

  • @torment4119
    @torment4119 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    2023 looks to be a good year for movies, Super Hero movies too in fact. Apart from Ant-Man and Shazam of course. GOTG3, Rise of the Beasts (I don't think it counts as a super hero movie but whatever, I'm counting it) Blue Beetle and Spider Verse 2 all look to be very promising and hopefully we can ditch Marvel's ridiculous strain on director freedom and get some real director driven Super Hero movies, because when they're done, they really really work.

  • @brownjordan0523
    @brownjordan0523 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    James Gunn said it best when talking about the idea of superhero fatigue. He said the problem doesn't lie within the genre itself it just lies with how it's presented. people aren't tired of superhero movies they're just tired of movies that have poor lackluster plots. Quality beats quantity every single time. That's why a lot of people unsubscribed to the MCU and started to tune in to more indie superhero comic book related projects like Invincible, The Umbrella Academy and The Boys. those projects have consistant writers that 1.)Understand what type of context they're putting out. and 2.) Put more effort into story and character depth before "the message" in order to provoke positive responses from the vast majority of their audience.

  • @suto5704
    @suto5704 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'd like to see you talk about animated stuff more, like Vinland Saga, Arcane, or whatever animated stuff interests you. Besides animation, videos on stuff like Barry, house of the dragon, or Creed would be cool if that's something you want to talk about

  • @Water_Me_Loan_64_YT
    @Water_Me_Loan_64_YT ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Given how popular the Sonicthe Hedgehog & The Super Mario Bros. Movies were, I feel like the next Popular Movie & TV Genre will be Video Game Adaptations!
    Here’s hoping the Live-Action Minecraft Movie isn't a Trainwreck!

  • @philemard6183
    @philemard6183 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’ve only been seriously getting into films lately. When I was just a casual watcher all these superheroes seemed fine to me, but the more actual great movies I watch the more I realized just how poorly made some of them are. I’ve come to the point where I don’t watch every new comic book movie because I already know if I’ll like it or not, based on directors/actors and especially writers.

  • @The_Lizard_Wizard
    @The_Lizard_Wizard ปีที่แล้ว

    Maybe do a video on some of your favorite horror games? Personally Resident Evil or Silent Hill would be pretty cool to talk about if you're into those franchises.

  • @nihilismistheonlyway4680
    @nihilismistheonlyway4680 ปีที่แล้ว

    LOVE the hateful 8! watched the "episodes" version at least twice and movie 3 times! never gets old.

  • @destin3942
    @destin3942 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the "Superhero movie" in the background lol

  • @sofiavarela1290
    @sofiavarela1290 ปีที่แล้ว

    So on the end question you asked what not superhero media would be cool to cover, I'd love to hear your take on transformers. While very close to superheroes there's lots of ideas that each cartoon and comic tackles in their own ways. So many people also dismiss the franchise because of toy commercial or bayham movies when stuff like Transformers Animated and IDW's comics but so much passion and heart into their stories. Seeing a channel with a big fallowing like you talk about transformers would mean a lot.

  • @liamfitzgerald1400
    @liamfitzgerald1400 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very well said.

  • @altothesting
    @altothesting ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Still waiting for this dude to do a Scream franchise video

  • @breawycker
    @breawycker ปีที่แล้ว

    This video is perfect

  • @natek4488
    @natek4488 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My favorite non superhero property fluctuates a lot. But as of now its between Transformers and kaiju films. However the former hasn't been given the best representation or respect it deserves and I'm hoping the new film fixes that.

  • @sketchingstevestudios
    @sketchingstevestudios ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’d honestly love to see you cover something Godzilla or sonic related if you’re interested

  • @moviesaredope
    @moviesaredope ปีที่แล้ว

    12:05 hey-oh! One of the best moments from TASM 2

  • @OhOh996
    @OhOh996 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The only fatigue I have is that there apparently wasn’t really any brand new superhero content this year so far since the Marvel streaming shows (minus the upcoming releases that I am already invested in)

  • @hyliannerd4541
    @hyliannerd4541 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    I am excited for James Gunn's DC Verse as well as the Across/Beyond the Spider-Verse, as well as a few MCU projects.

  • @asleepency
    @asleepency ปีที่แล้ว

    This might just be because I saw the Blue Spirit mask in your background but I'd love to see you make something about ATLA, there's a lot going on there with all the new Avatar Studios announcements, and the Netflix series, there's also tons of rewrite potential with something like Korra.

  • @Iskelderon
    @Iskelderon 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    To me, it's a bit more that people have now seen how wide the quality range can be that they're just skipping the obvious crap, because with the oversaturation of the market you can pick and choose and don't have to take everything you can get.

  • @c.a.2945
    @c.a.2945 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nailed it. It's not that we're tired of superheroes, we're tired of bad and lazy writing, hurried productions, synthetic bland visuals and more focus on the next thing rather than the character's we are there to see going through an engaging story.

  • @TanmanC
    @TanmanC ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m excited for more of the stand alone super hero films coming up such as Joker 2, Across the Spider Verse and The Batman 2

  • @goratuti1098
    @goratuti1098 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The king is back at it again 🗿

  • @macmcleod1188
    @macmcleod1188 ปีที่แล้ว

    Antman was "loving father and loving daughter". Plus the fast story telling riff gag. Really made me happy. I've seen 1 and 2 multiple times in theaters.
    The last ant man movie has none of that. Haven't seen it once. Wouldn't event see it for free

  • @twunt9688
    @twunt9688 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't know if you see this but I love to see a video were you talk about fallout it one of if not my favourite game of all time

  • @trevturp6891
    @trevturp6891 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The birth of the modern superhero movie genre was in the years 1998 with Blade, 2000 with X-men and 2002 with Spider-Man.

  • @wolfmots6278
    @wolfmots6278 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'd love for you to talk about scream. You made a poll about that franchise a bit ago and itd be great to see it come through fruition

  • @zacharymenchaca2336
    @zacharymenchaca2336 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I do believe that having Marvel go back to the 2 films a year will help a lot. Quality over quantity usually wins. Have a film come out in Spring or Summer, and then the second film in the summer or the winter. Have the Disney+ shows be one in between release of the films.
    As well as most of the MCU feels formulaic, aside from themes and cinematography every now and then; the movies feel the same.
    I am still excited for the future of the MCU and the DC films going forward, I just hope that the movies change in style, themes, cinematography, etc.

  • @crazysmith5408
    @crazysmith5408 ปีที่แล้ว

    Compared to other times, I think more people have been feeling this fatigue because of the of the quantity of Marvel properties in Phase 4. Phase 1 had six films with a watch time of 12.4 hours. Phase 2 had six films with a watch time of 12.7 hours. Phase 3 had eleven films with a watch time of 24.9 hours. As of July 2022, Phase 5 had six films and seven shows with a watch time of 49.5 hours. That’s double the watch time of the last phase in less time. The previous phases took place over 3-4 years while the fourth happen in like 2. It’s a loss less time to disgust and catch up for each property, plus the flaws are more likely to shine than the positives with how close everything is.

  • @TheMediaLover
    @TheMediaLover ปีที่แล้ว

    I think it would be interesting to cover the history of video game movies for a video. It could be really fun

  • @Water_Me_Loan_64_YT
    @Water_Me_Loan_64_YT ปีที่แล้ว +2

    troyoboyo17 should cover the Pokémon Movies & why they are underrated! :D

  • @danterose6673
    @danterose6673 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm actually way more excited for the DCU than anything Marvel has lined up. The reason I'm so excited is because I feel like they'll do a lot more with genre bending. I'm hoping we get some cool stories under the elseworld umbrella. I'm hoping Swamp Thing is a horror. Like just do cool stuff with the characters and it'll be fine. Some of the movies that have come out are just too copy and paste.

  • @jefferymuffinsbobmarley6128
    @jefferymuffinsbobmarley6128 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Asher Angel really was fantastic as billy batson. Zachary Levis take really did feel like a different character. Or at least like whenever he transformed into shazam he lost all character development from the first movie

  • @Jwayne5
    @Jwayne5 ปีที่แล้ว

    IDK why but this reminds me of the comic book crash, when it feels like the opposite. The comic book crash came because big comics sold more so comic companies made every comic BIG causing burnout. Now it just feels like people are expecting endgame levels from superhero movies

  • @samtepal3892
    @samtepal3892 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Unforgiven and Tombstone were made in the 90s, by that time many people considered westerns dead, and yet both were like the best films of their year.